Literally BILLIONS of male day old chicks are killed by being put on conveyor belts leading to BLENDERS every single year.Millions of chicks are killed every year this way in countries like United States, United Kingdom, Canada, Australia, Belgium, the Netherlands, Spain, etcAn individual consumer choosing to purchase or boycott animal products is personally responsible for extra chicks being killed or spared. If you are not vegan you are personally causing this to happen to more animals here’s proofhttps://philarchive.org/rec/MCMAIOhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=brKhhZlUoOc (Only first few minutes of this video are relevant)https://benthams.substack.com/p/the-causal-inefficacy-objection-isAnd the comments and back and forth of this for any objections you may have to the efficacy of individual boycott of real meat which have already been debunked https://www.reddit.com/r/DebateAVegan/comments/1otuhqv/individual_boycott_of_meat_does_matter/
>>533857159This is undercover footage from the documentary dominion. It is not AI I personally first saw it about 7 years ago
>>533857209>>533857159Egg laying hens, the females not put in blenders have it even worse The vast majority of suffering and rights violations happens during the animals life not in the slaughterhousehttps://benthams.substack.com/p/extreme-suffering-on-the-farmshttps://welfarefootprint.org/research-projects/laying-hens/Bone fractures. The majority of hens experience a bone fracture over the course of their life. On average, they have three. Imagine if you broke the same bone three times. This is, and I can’t emphasize this enough, what most hens deal with—the industry that produces our eggs is so cruel that it breaks the bones of most hens multiple times. In fact, the situation is much worse for hens than it would be for us, because the area around their keel bone, which is the most common kind of fracture, has a huge number of nerves. While such experiences in humans usually produce disabling pain for about a day, for chickens, such pain lasts about a week. Often the bone doesn’t heal properly, leading to constant intense agony.Injurious pecking. In a hen's natural environment, she’ll spend most of her time pecking the ground looking for food. In a modern farm, hens can’t do that, so they spend a lot of their time pecking other hens, often leading to severe injury (just imagine that you were being bitten all the time by people surrounding you). It’s not terribly uncommon for hens to be pecked to death (seriously imagine what it would be like for that to happen) or for pecking to affect a hen’s body part known as the vent which is particularly sensitive (in this case, for the males reading this, imagine someone biting your balls). Often this becomes infected.
>>533857300Every one of a hen’s natural behaviors are thoroughly squashed in the farms. Hens cannot make a nest prior to laying an egg, which causes them quite severe distress. Hens are willing to undergo strong electric shocks in order to get a suitable nest—about as strong as the electric shocks they’ll endure in order to get food after being starved for 28 hours (!!!!!). Remember, hens lay an egg roughly daily! This may not seem like a big deal, but only because we don’t appreciate the experience of being a nesting hen; an alien wouldn’t understand why we care about sex so much. Konrad Lorenz, a nobel prize winner summarized:“The worst torture to which a battery hen is exposed is the inability to retire somewhere for the laying act. For the person who knows something about animals it is truly heart-rending to watch how a chicken tries again and again to crawl beneath her fellow-cage mates to search there in vain for cover”
>>533857340Automatic circumcision and vaxx machinePainful beak trimming Painful during the cut and long long long after the cut
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>>533857159>>533857209>>533857340>>533857395>>533857532(((they))) would do the same things to humans if (((they))) could
They should be let loose into the streets. Is that what you want?
>>533857159Who fucking cares lmao.
>>533857159Circumcision is worse
>>533857583They already do if you’re male Plus abortion has killed more human beings then all wars in the past 100 years combined
Why though? Is that how they make sausages or something?
>>533857626I know right. OP wants to live with billions of crowing cocks
>>533857159This is what "solving world hunger" looks likeThe solution is not feeding billions of foreigners
>>533857649It can certainly be more painful I can believe that. But being killed also completely eliminates any ability to experience wellbeing in the future
>>533857159The suffering I would experience being vegan is more than the combined suffering of every chick that has ever been ground up. If god gave me a choice to become vegan, or be reincarnated as every chick, all of them, I would still not be vegan.
>>533857159Absolute waste.I fucking hate that I need to eat eggs to survive. The chicks whisper the ultimate knowledge, and they are being meaninglessly shredded. Only because people don't like rooster meat? Why do they do this?
>>533857653don’t lay eggs Wrong breed for meat Bodies used in fertilizer and stuff this is why vegans should avoid vegan plant based food and stick to cheaper more ethical conventional grown food
>>533857727>>533857722>>533857708>>533857693>>533857668Stop genociding Palestinian children and after that I promise to start caring about fur and baby chicks again.
>>533857653I meant the grinding chicks through a blender.
>>533857159i'm not even a vegan eco fag but i never liked factory farming
>>533857583They do, it's called war.
>>533857159Dude, we do a favor for them, they are fed and in warm condition for long life time, instead of being eaten long in wild life
>>533857159Okay? I am still eating whatever this meat is used on.
>>533857159I'd think if aliens were real this is type of shit they'd do to humans Just grow them in farms and mass slaughter them to eat
>>533857159That is AI, just look at this cat
>>533857583>if they couldHave you seen Ukraine videos?
Billions must die so that my cat can eat the ground-up remain
>>533857727You don’t need eggs to survive >>533857693Grains are better for that >>533857595No I want animal agriculture abolished altogether and animal rights codified into law If an animal is living a mostly good life then it is wrong to end their mostly good life by executing themIf an animal is living a mostly bad life then it is wrong to breed them into existence
>>533857814holy shit is that real
>>533857583Non-whites are the meat grinder.
>>533857693reported to ofcom for Hate Speech™
>>533857814You could've used that oil next time to frySmh my head
>>533857788They are selectively bred to grow too big too fast, castrated without anesthetic , pigs in crates can never lie down properly, etc
Ok, factory farming or w-e is cruel and sucks etc, but even if you were raising them ethically/locally on a small scale, you'd still have to kill them, else they'd become roosters, cause absolute mayhem, and eventually kill each other anyways.
>>533857159The US kills over 1 million baby humans a year for decades.
>>533857564Oh no, where is the lava chicken
>>533857880What is a good life and bad life in this context?
>>533857855Fully indoor fully Vegan cats who have been vegan for years and their entire life since they were a kitten exist
>>533857159honestly the chicks looked happy some nice happened before to make them happyI find comfort in that
>>533858017substitute in a trait equalizer human. Basically a human who was born severely permanently irreversibly mentally handicapped and unable to reason.
>>533857159Maybe I'm a bad human for saying but dying like this doesn't seem so bad. Idk if it would be realistically possible to change this?Beak mutilation and inhumane conditions and procedures for the hens are bad though and should be outlawed.
>>533857992Yes and it’s still legal common easy and cheap by pill up to 14 weeks for the mother in all 50 states plus Poland >>533857819https://files.catbox.moe/33twkx.mp4The video depicts two woman laughing at a ukrainian man trying to evade conscript because he doesn’t want to be blown up by russian artilleryWho do you empathize with more the man running for his life, or the women relaxing on the side, mocking him as he’s hunted down by soldiers
>>533858089So you're a fan of eugenics?
>>533857880I don't fucking care, i will squeeze the cow and eat the calves, and there is nothing you can do about it, faggot
>>533857159they didn't fly too good
>>533857763Never!! >:(
>>533857395Imagine their screams.
>>533857300i just realised why they want us to declare our chickens.. FFS..Quite happy to take couple of those lads breed um up an self egg with brood of hens.,
>>533857797Incredibly resource consuming for little gain. You have to have an adult woman be out for 9 months to produce 3 kg of mostly bone and fat. In the same amount of time a cow will produce about 30 kg of newborn meat. There is only a reason to breed humans for meat if alien’s pallet is predisposed to seeing human meat as tasty, and even then it most likely would be a delicacy and not a mass produced meat
>>533858153Have you ever tried sauteed mushroom?
>>533858146No because I’m against killing animals and disabled humans. People who are pro disabled human rights but anti animal rights are hypocrites Name the trait demonstrates this https://philosophicalvegan.com/wiki/index.php/NameTheTrait#Species_maximum>>533858153Would you still do it in India?
>>533858208I'll enjoy all of yours more <3
>>533857395can you see how they all shaking at the bottom bucket
>>533858221They could still use them for medical testing and torture them that way
>>533858286there’s very good research beak trimming causes long term suffering and reduced wellbeing
>>533858236>Would you still do it in India?If the cow is sacred for you go back to india saar
>>533858284Industrialized animal suffering is pretty hot not gonna lie.
>>533857968We will all die practically in fear and in agony, what's the matter in which way cattle will live and die?
>>533857159https://www.youtube.com/shorts/2E0EYLSCSOQ
>>533858286>all shakingtrying to cut the q for the fun ride
>>533857992Yeah but when a woman murders her children it stops countless deaths. Just imagine how many bacteria have to be killed just to keep that single human life sanitary?It's for the greater good.
>>533857583china definitely does
Excess pigs were roasted to death. Specifically, these pigs were killed by having hot steam enter the barn, at around 150 degrees, leading to them choking, suffocating, and roasting to death. It’s hard to see how an industry that chokes and burns beings to death can be said to be anything other than nightmarish, especially given that pigs are smarter than dogs.Factory-farmed pigs, while pregnant, are stuffed in tiny gestation crates, unable to turn around. As the human league notesThe process of breeding animals for food is highly exploitative. Female pigs—known as “sows”—are repeatedly impregnated through artificial insemination, giving birth to litters of up to 12 piglets at a time. Throughout their pregnancies and after giving birth, mother pigs are kept in "gestation crates." These crates are so small that the pigs can barely move or turn around.These pigs will never be able to lie down comfortably over the course of their entire lives.Male pigs are castrated with no anesthetic. This is done because it makes the meat taste better than it would if the pigs went through puberty. Sometimes, they’re castrated with a sharp knife, but other times, a rubber band is tied around their testicles until they wither and die from lack of blood flow. Those of us who are male can imagine with acute horror what it would be like to have rubber bands wrapped around our testicles until they wither and die, and it’s about as horrifying as can be imagined.
Take the eco nationalism pill
If you treat the chickens right they would probably get massively fatter.
>>533858144Oh, so we can gas 40 million baby chickens every year, but you get a fucking tizzy when we gas a meager 6 million Jews and obsess about it to the point of destroying Western White civilization??????????You fucking capitalist niggerfaggots are a bunch of hypocrites. Eat shit
>>533857159You can buy organic eggs that are farmed without chick killing. Those are what I buy.
>>533858334would trim picrel
>>533857968sad
>>533858236>No because I’m against killing animals and disabled humans.Allow me to qualify that statement for you.>If an animal is living a mostly bad life then it is wrong to breed them into existenceSo it is wrong to breed '"animals'" into existence if they live a "'bad life'".>against killing...disabled humans.And you wish to encourage their suffering.You're a hypocritical sadist.
>>533858337Cows are not particularly sacred to me but cows have some legal protections in India like dogs do in usa >>533858421Pigs have their tails ripped out with no anesthetic. Their teeth are also ripped out with no anesthetic. This is admitted to by the industry, and it isn’t bothered by it.Pigs have parts of their ears cut off—also with no anesthetic—all for the sake of identification.Pigs are genetically manipulated to grow much too quickly. This leaves them with high rates of arthritis, often unable to stand or turn around.Also noted by the human league, pig slaughter is cruel.A typical slaughterhouse kills more than 1,000 baby pigs every hour. The pigs are stunned before their throats are slit open. They're left to bleed out, then dipped into scalding water in order to remove their hair. However, the speed of the slaughter lines makes it nearly impossible to ensure every pig is properly stunned before slaughter. This means many pigs are able to see, hear, and smell the pigs around them being killed, and they will be boiled alive when they reach the scalding tanks.Reports differ, but some have found that as many as 80% of pigs have pneumonia upon slaughter. This is because pigs spend all of their time living in ammonia and feces—two terrible-smelling substances. This is done despite pigs having a sense of smell that is far more acute than humans.Pigs that are too small to grow properly are useless to the industry. As a result of this, in totally legal industry practice, farmers grab them by their hind legs and smash them against the concrete until they die. This even happens at supposedly high-welfare farms.
>>533857159Our people are being genocided. I don't give a fuck about chickens
>>533857159stop treating food as important living creatures. they wouldnt have existed without uswe = gods to them. unlucky life, get food chain pyramided...
>>533858554Undercover investigations found some rather horrifying things: workers were found ripping out the testicles of piglets with no painkillers, piglets had herniated intestines as a result of botched castration, and pigtails are often torn off with dull clippers. Really, take a moment to imagine one of your limbs—perhaps a finger—being torn off by dull clippers. This is what happens to untold numbers of pigs.Pigs were covered with open wounds—often pus-filled, often based on pressure sores from their poor confinement. “Mother pigs — [who were] physically taxed from constant birthing — [were] suffering from distended, inflamed, bleeding, and usually fatal uterine prolapses.” Management would often throw pigs across the room. Pigs without proper veterinary care were left to languish and die.Pigs have almost their entire tails snipped off. However, they don’t cut off their entire tail. They keep a little stump that has lots of nerves. The reason they do this is that when the tails are kept, the depressed pigs let other nervous pigs chew on their tails which become infected and sometimes result in death. However, the small stump is incredibly tender, so when other pigs chew on their tails, even in their dejected state, they thrash to get away.
>>533857300>male chickens genocided in the millions >hens most effected
Those chicks shouldn't have said the n word.
>>533858611Pigs never get to turn around, spend time outside, or see the sun, except immediately before slaughter. As a result, they develop learned helplessness, a sort of senseless, apathetic misery resembling depression. Harsh notes “Factory farms crowd pigs into barren enclosures with solid floors, which are uncomfortable and painful for pigs to rest on.”Pigs have virtually no space to move around—there’s about one pig for every 7.2 square feet. The average bedroom is about 132 square feet, so this would be equivalent to cramming just over 18 pigs into a bedroom of the average size.Undercover reporting found that pigs were eating food laced with feces.Lots of rotting dead pigs adorn the floor, and pigs often cannibalize the dead pigs.“One of the most distressing findings was a young pig, bitten and bullied by the others in her pen. Covered in lacerations, she endured nearly 48 hours of brutal attacks before the farmer moved her to the gangway, swollen and sore.”“The U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) documented 14 humane-slaughter violations at one processing plant, where inspectors found hogs who “were walking and squealing after being stunned [with a stun gun] as many as four times.””
>>533858665One undercover report finds the following. “The shocking images show sick piglets, pigs who mutilate each other as a consequence of the high stocking density. Some piglets have significant skin problems (probably exudative epidermite, due to staphylococcus). Unable to protect himself, a pig is literally eaten alive.” Later, it notes, “The conditions of breeding in a context of industrialization have led the animals to adopt behaviours such as self-harm. The pigs in these buildings are not put in a condition where they can meet their basic needs.”Pigs are crammed into tiny areas in transport such that they have “only half a square meter on average. This creates a highly stressful situation due to lack of space, leading to conflicts and aggressive behavior between animals due to the mixing of different families in tight conditions.” All as one would expect. Pigs, despite their frailty, are crammed together in tiny spaces and transported to slaughterhouses—during transport, they have no room to move or lie down and they are given no food or water. Huge numbers die along the way—about 170,000 annually, and 420,000 end up significantly injured.Terrified pigs are often beaten in order to get them into transport. When they get to the slaughterhouse, in order to bring them to the place where they’re slaughtered workers employ “extreme violence.” One worker said“If you get a hog in a chute that... has a heart attack or refuses to move, you take a meat hook and hook it into his [anus]. You’re dragging these hogs alive, and a lot of times the meat hook rips out... I’ve seen hams–thighs– completely ripped open. I’ve also seen intestines come out. If the hog collapses near the front of the chute, you shove the meat hook into his cheek and drag him forward.”
>>533857159there's that fag talk again. if you lived in Hawaii, like I do, then you'd learn real fuckin quick why people dont care about killing roosters or pigs. I also love cats but I think they should round up and cull all the feral cats to preserve the life of native species of birds. Anyway, try telling all this to some polynesians and see how it goes.
>>533858665You are in the slaughter house dumb faggot. Wake the fuck up
>>533857159It is mass production, but against people. that some industry types.
>>533858294You don’t need a lot of humans for that. If progress of human history continues in the same vector that is now, then rich will probably have breeding programs to make child sex slaves they can use for guro parties. But we will not see this happening in our lifetimes, hopefully
>>533857340You should be less commie and diversity shilling then and hope that less poor people means more people with personal chicken coops.
>>533857159It's a chicken lol. It's literally named after food. Stop being a little crybaby bitch
>>533858552If you know before you impregnate or artificially inseminate someone that their offspring will have a mostly bad life you should not create them.If they already exist and are suffering euthanasia can be justified sometimes.What exactly is the contradiction?
>>533858665It is also cheap. Between inexpensive meat and humane treatment of farm animals overwhelming majority of consumers will choose inexpensive meat
>>533858895Ballot propositions for better factory farming conditions for animals have passed overwhelmingly in places like California
“One of the most enduring marks of our impact on Earth will be the sudden appearance in the fossil record of copious chicken bones.”Broiler chickens are the type of chickens that are grown and sold for meat, rather than eggs. These chickens are treated rather horrifyingly. Here’s what it looks like in a chicken farm.
>>533859073Most broiler chickens are part of fast-growing breeds. These breeds have reduced welfare, as a result of inactivity and rapid growth causing stress to their muscles. “The fastest growing strains spent more time sitting, and less time standing and walking than slower strains, even at the same ages.” “Time spent sitting, standing and walking can be an important welfare indicator if differences relate to a bird’s inability to stand and walk, or if differences increase the birds’ risk for contact dermatitis (footpad lesions and hock burns).” Kelsey Piper summarizes “Farms have bred chickens so large that they’re in constant pain.” This image shows how much the chickens have grown over time.
>>533857159I'm not going to cry......damnit.(;＿ ; )why cant they just let them go?why can't they just let them go?i had chickens as a kid, i had to bury roosters who killed their dad or their son a few times, but this is wrong...(;_; ) fuuuuuck..
the solution isn't to become a basedboythey'll keep doing it just to watch the numbers go upit's because there's too many 'people'
>>533857159From those chicks a some sort of granulate is made that is later add to cat&dog food as a protein rich supplementI used to work in such factory.
>>533859112>>533859073In 1960, the average man weighed around 167 pounds and the average woman weighed around 140 pounds, so if our weight had increased proportionately as much as chickens did, by 2005, the average weight of women would be around 650 pounds and the average weight of men would be 770 pounds.In 1960, the average man weighed around 167 pounds and the average woman weighed around 140 pounds, so if our weight had increased proportionately as much as chickens did, by 2005, the average weight of women would be around 650 pounds and the average weight of men would be 770 pounds.!!!! !! In 1960, the average man weighed around 167 pounds and the average woman weighed around 140 pounds, so if our weight had increased proportionately as much as chickens did, by 2005, the average weight of women would be around 650 pounds and the average weight of men would be 770 pounds.!!!!700 pounds men exist and basically need forklifts to move In 1960, the average man weighed around 167 pounds and the average woman weighed around 140 pounds, so if our weight had increased proportionately as much as chickens did, by 2005, the average weight of women would be around 650 pounds and the average weight of men would be 770 pounds.!?!
>>533858960What is the percentage of the meat produced on californian farms compared to the rest of the meat on us market? I tell you what, if by some miracle federal government enforces same laws for entirety of the US, californians would be among the first to call for the Total Pigger Death.
>>533859218yeah I’ve heard fertilizer tooAnother reason you are not vegan If you buy non vegan cat food for your pet cat
>>533857159>malethey deserve worse
>>533857968Hell is empty..
>>533859279Im not sure but the federal government has tried to actually ban state welfare laws to make conditions even worse Pam bondi was attempting to do this fairly recently
>>533858811>What exactly is the contradiction?In your statements, as demonstrated.Now you say '"euthanasia can be justified'". Hypocrite.
>>533858236Based big bunda farmstress
>>533857814you can tell this isnt real because the handle of the iron pan would be too hot to grab
>>533859226The report concluded “Birds spent a large majority of their time (70-80%) inactive,” which they note “becomes a welfare concern if the birds are motivated to be active and cannot due to physical limitations, or if the inactivity itself causes welfare issues such as contact dermatitis.” The report finds that many birds struggle to do much moving, hence they spend most of their time inactive.During transport to slaughter, birds are stuffed into tiny crates, with the higher ones often exposed to extreme temperatures. Between 1,000 and 1,500 animals are loaded into trucks per hour, which is about one every 4 seconds, using the lower number. This leads to frequent breaking of bones and other grievous injuries—the same way that it would if one was packing 15 human babies into crates every minute.This transport process kills 15% of broiler chickens. Much of this is caused by stress as “Various studies have noted the presence of high levels of stress hormones during the transport of the birds to their deaths.” The chickens have no food to eat during this transport process or water for the two or so days during which they’re being transported.Chickens spend their entire life in windowless sheds. These sheds can house tens of thousands of birds, meaning that the chickens don’t have enough space to rest, comfortably turn around, run, or play. In these sheds, chickens never breathe fresh air or see the sun.Rapid growth in broiler chickens often leads to leg deformities. Even when chickens don’t have any easily identifiable diseases, they’re in constant extreme pain just from excess weight—the same way you’d be in pain if you weighed 600 pounds.>>533859333That’s for male chickens of the meat breed >>533859141Right now in the house or senate they are trying to make EBT food stamps start being able to be used to purchase hot rotisserie chicken
>>533857395What is the purpose of this beak trimming?
>>533858023My cat is 16 years old and in good health, can you vegan cat say the same at even 10? It's a carnivorous animal. Feed it meat.
>>533859420If you know that you have a genetic condition so that if you have a child there’s a 100% chance that child will die and suffer massively in the first week of it’s life outside the womb then you should not have children. However if you already had a child who is 2 days old and is definitely going to die in 5 days and is currently suffering massively I don’t see anything wrong with humanely euthanizing him or her
>>533859377Lobbying in action. It is an unfortunate thing, and it’s really sad, but if you want to feed 8 billion people and have at least some of them consume meat on a regular basis while making profit, you have to put morals on a second placeHell, even with all this cost cutting regular farmers have rely on subsidies to exist and can’t compete with big industrial farms who profit purely because of scale
>>533857159It's so pathetic when the NPCs complain about "expensive" eggs and chicken corpse parts. Bitch, it shouldn't even be legal for you to abuse and kill animals. The entire "industry" needs to be destroyed.
>>533857159I read that as "billions of chinks are killed this way every year"
Yes, factory farming is an absolute disgrace. We know.
>>533859535To prevent them from peaking themselves or each other to death when they inevitably go insane from being locked in a tiny extremely crowded wire battery cage 24/7Similar to piglet teeth and tail cutting
>>533859298I know vegan goys working in such factories!So basically, "I won't eat that schnitzel because meat is a hecking murder but instead I help to run a entire combinate that is processing more animals that I would be capable to eat in my whole life and if I will be a good employim this factory will process them even more"But somehow it is adding up in their heads.IDK how...
>>533857159Commodification of animal lives ALWAYS ends up with commodification of human lives.Animal liberation for human liberation.Go vegan.
>>533859600Yes they are obligate carnivores but synthetic vegan versions of nutrients only found in meat like taurine exist . Only caring about the health and longevity of your own pet cat and not the dozens of animals horribly tortured and killed as babies or teenagers in factory farms to be fed to your cat is basically narcissism
>>533858144I fucking hate women
>>533857159I CAN FAP TO HORRIFIC MUTILATIONS
>>533857159Now imagine those are Israelites and pro-AIPAC GOP senators.You can now leave the thread with a smile in the face.
>>533859675Yeah it’s hypocritical to say you’re a victim while victimizing others, women act like rape is the worst thing ever but most don’t care about circumcision and animals being artificially inseminated / raped>>533859705I didn’t find out until I was 16
>>533857626>>533858116>>533858711>>533858788>>533858600There are way to detect the eggs sex to avoid having to crush chicks. It doesn't have to be like this. Crushing chicks is illegal in my cunt and eggs producer don't go bankrupt.
>>533859832Based >>533859899You should hate simps moreIt’s really the pro life movement faultOnly abortion abolishinists are actually willing to call for women to be imprisoned Pro life lawmakers killAbortion abolishinist bills because feminist pro life groups tell them to https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zkH3vrevU9oAbortion pills which can be easily obtained and ordered online work to to 14 weeksThe earliest case for which I believe the precautionary principle should hold was around 43-45 days. Which comes out to be 6.1-6.4 weeks.The fetal brain begins to develop around 3-5 weeks gestation. So I am okay with abortions prior to that timeframe.It's hard to say what the levels of sentience equate to at each week. But I wouldn't not assume this is a miniscule amount of sentience. Many EEG brain patterns observed in fetal brains as early as 6.1-6.4 weeks ( high voltageslow waves with superimposed fast activity) are comparable to mature birds, mature frogs, mature rabbits and the mature marmot. We can even observe sleep spindles in the fetal brain this early.Does this prove the same degree of sentience? No. Does this give us reason to take the precautionary principle with respect to this degree of sentience? Yes
>>533860094Sentience starts inside the egg so unless the sexing and destruction of the egg happens when the egg is very young it can still be murder
>>533859630>moving that goal post widerUh huh... so if you know the "'human'" is going to die in a year by electrocution and having his throat slit, then it would be more compassionate to '"euthanize'" him now.
We know.Cunt if you really think eating meat is ethical towards animals in the age of industrial farming, you're fucking retarded.No industry is ethical.Your clothes aren't ethical.Your food isn't ethical.Your house isn't ethical.Your health isn't ethical.Veganism isn't even ethical considering the vast swaths of natural land obliterated for industrial agriculture, so their pretense at ethics over meat eaters is nothing more than pretty-privilege towards animals because they don't have to care about ugly animals whose native environment becomes a pesticide smothered goybean plantation.The most ethical man is an Amish homesteader or a Kalahari bushman.You want an ethical world? See if the North Sentinelese will have you.I'm sorry man, but the best you can do is consume less to minimize your impact.Step around bugs, shake some crumbs out of your food wrappers for the ants to enjoy, scatter some seeds around once in a while to add a bit of foliage back to the world, and other little things.Give to offset your take.And demand a complete cessation of immigration and of handouts to nations that breed like flies because these people are worms that will eat the entire apple of the world and then starve to death when there's nothing left.
>>533859518Being constantly in filth, painful sores as well as other skin conditions constantly erupt on the skins of chickens. Ammonia burns result from their constant contact with feces. They develop a whole host of other horrifying diseases including “Wooden breast syndrome: breast muscles that become diseased, tough, and woodlike.”Rapid development results in numerous diseases including ascites and sudden death syndrome. Sudden death syndrome is pretty mysterious, and results in shocking, unexpected, sudden deaths. Ascites, on the other hand, results in gradual, horrifying, painful deaths.Chickens are raised in highly unnatural environments. They begin their life in massive hatcheries, separated from their parents, of course, before being sent to the factory farms. They spend most of their life in feces, often with very little space to turn around, such that they’re constantly given antibiotics because they’re constantly sick and injured.
>>533860204If the human is living a mostly bad life a sooner death is better than one further away. There’s other considerations too like consent if they are able to give itBut if they’re living a mostly happy life it’s better to not Kill them at all
>>533858777trips of truth
>>533857159>conveyor beltI was gonna say that is pretty cheep of themBut I chickened out.Maybe cause I'm henpecked.
Such a pointless thread. Boo hoo the heckin animals. I eat them everyday. Cry about it.
>>533860184From what I read, they can detect it on the 9th day. I don't know when it starts to be sentient but looking at a few chart it looks quite early in the growth.
>>533858777>>533860444WHAT did Kek mean by this?OP is a faggot, after all?
>>533860259Whittleton notes “The barren sheds are stuffed full of chickens and provide little to keep these naturally curious, playful animals from abject boredom,” in an article describing chickens as “one of the most abused animals on the planet.”It’s nearly impossible to get adequate sleep in chicken farms. Whittleton further explains “Rest is a constant challenge, as most sheds don’t provide more than four hours of ‘darkness’ at a time. And for most of the time, the chickens are bathed in harsh artificial light and crammed in alongside tens or even hundreds of thousands of other chickens.” When prisoners of war are deprived of sleep to this degree, we call it torture, but of course, no one cares when we torture chickens. If you treated a dog this way, it would be torture, but when we treat ten billion or so chickens like that in the U.S. alone, that’s not torture—if you mistreat one animal it’s a tragedy, if you mistreat more animals than there are humans, that’s a statistic.>>533860238Some industries are worse than others. The pork industry is worse then wheat and onions>Veganism isn't even ethical considering the vast swaths of natural land obliterated for industrial agriculture, so their pretense at ethics over meat eaters is nothing more than pretty-privilege towards animals because they don't have to care about ugly animals whose native environment becomes a pesticide smothered goybean plantation.Most plants grown are fed to animals in factory farms not humans. Do you have evidence there’s more suffering or rights violations on an acre of wheat field then an acre of completely wild land?
>>533860238This.
>>533857159THINGS DIE ALL THE FUCKING TIME SO WHAT GET OVER IT
>>533860544A systematic review of chicken broiler chicken welfare found that chickens were constantly terrified as a result of “Rearing environment, genotypes, high light intensity and human handling.” All as one would expect, the same way that humans would be in constant fear if they were separated from their parents as babies before being forced to endure nightmarish mistreatment that is too cruel to inflict on prisoners of war.Peta Asia notes “Chickens raised for their flesh—called “broilers” by the chicken industry—spend their lives in filthy, ammonia-filled sheds with tens of thousands of other birds. The sheer frustration of being crammed together with so many other chickens causes many birds to develop destructive behavior, such as relentlessly pecking one another.” Ammonia is one of the foulest smelling substances, so it smells horrible all the time.Hundreds of thousands of chickens burn to death every year—some broiler chickens, others egg growers. Of course, whenever this happens the industry makes sure to note that no one was injured—for the industry apparently doesn’t consider the birds to be anyone. When individuals set chickens on fire they go to jail, but when an industry recklessly enables conditions that burn half a million chickens to death, there are no legal consequences.Factory-farmed chickens never meet their parents; they’re separated from them prior to their eggs hatching.
>>533857159>you are responsible for thisAnd? I don't care. Your shame tactics don't work on me.
>>533860614Chickens have their beak cut off, often with a hot knife. This is because they’re so horrifyingly mistreated that they often go crazy and attack other chickens—something that cannot be done without a break. Their beaks have many nerve endings, so this probably feels roughly like it would feel to you if your nose was cut off with a hot knife. Seriously take a moment to imagine what it would be like if someone got a steak knife from your drawer and cut off your nose. This “debeaking itself can cause chronic pain, especially in birds whose beaks are trimmed at older ages.”Right after hatching, the chickens are subject to horrifying transport conditions as they’re transported to the factory farms. They’re stuffed into small boxes, leading to frequent death as the factory farms inflict upon them immense stress and weather extremes. If we crammed dozens of prisoners in boxes, that would be classified as torture, but we have no problem torturing animals in ways we’d never do to the worst terrorists and criminals on the planet. Having good-tasting flesh apparently makes one deserve worse mistreatment than child molesters. Here’s a discussion of the fate that a typical chicken can expect to endure immediately after being born.The workers stack crates full of chicks on top of each other and some become trapped and crushed between them. Crates with tens of thousands of chicks are loaded onto a large truck and transported to a factory farm. By now, he’s getting very hungry and thirsty as the last nutrients remaining from his yolk sac are used up. After arrival, crate after crate, the birds are dumped onto a pile.Chickens are killed in horrifying ways. Often they are hoisted upside down by one leg by a machine—which often painfully breaks their leg—before being sent through an electric bath which is supposed to stun them but often fails.
>>533857159READED BILLIONS OF * CHINKS * ARE KILLED THIS WAY EACH YEAR
>>533860679Then, they’re brought forward and have their throat cut; but that sometimes fails too. After that, they’re deposited in a tank of boiling water. Given the alarming failure rate of the throat slitting and electric bath, about half a million birds annually are boiled alive while fully conscious. Take a moment to consider what it would be like to be boiled alive the next tine you’re dining on chicken.Undercover reports on factory farms consistently reveal even greater cruelty than is publicly known. For example, an investigation of a supposedly humane hatchery found that there were numerous violations of the law, including frequently crushing chicks with machinery, chicks suffering for hours from grievous injuries before being ground up, and chicks being scalded or drowned when trays they were in went through washers. “Chickens had no room to move around and were forced to drink from troughs of moldy water.” Chickens were found unable to move or even stand because of their excess weight. Birds were subject to routine cruelty on behalf of workers such as kicking and beating. Dead birds were left rotting among the living, some of whom were cannibalized, and dying birds were left to suffer for hours. These occurred on supposedly high welfare farms. Physical abuse of the animals is rampant—they’re beaten, hit, punched, and kicked routinely by workers many times their size.
>>533858628In this section, I’ll describe the horrors of the egg industry.Hens live their entire lives in tiny cages with only a few inches of space, unable to move much, stretch their wings, or turn around. “This space is where she eats, drinks, urinates and defecates, and sleeps.” They have less than a piece of paper worth of space.
>>533860770Just like the broiler chickens, egg-laying hens are debeaked with a sharp knife, in a process roughly as painful as the chopping off a human’s nose with a knife or chopping off of a human’s fingers with pliers. Additionally, they are horrifyingly mistreated as they’re being hatched—crammed into small boxes, transported, handled as babies by humans, and more. They never see their parents. Like other animals discussed so far, they’re routinely beaten, and many burn alive each year in barn fires. A decent summary comes from rolling stone who notesYou see and smell nothing from the moment of your birth but the shit coming down through the open slats of the battery cages above you. It coats your feathers and becomes a second skin; by the time you’re plucked from your cage for slaughter, your bones and wings breaking in the grasp of harried workers, you look less like a hen than an oil-spill duck, blackened by years of droppings. Your eyes tear constantly from the fumes of your own urine, you wheeze and gasp like a retired miner, and you’re beset every second of the waking day by mice and plaguelike clouds of flies.The tiny cages that they live in are made of wire, which slopes down so that the eggs they lay roll into a place where they’re collected. This means they’re standing on sharp metal all the time, leading to constant foot injuries. Battery cages result in “severe welfare problems, including the thwarting of natural behaviors, bone weakness and breakage, feather loss, and numerous diseases.”Artificial lighting is used to trick the hens into thinking that it is summer when it is in fact winter, so that their egg production doesn’t dry up.
>>533857159What are your thoughts on abortion?
>>533860770>>533860840Pollan says of hens “Every natural instinct of this animal is thwarted, leading to a range of behavioral ''vices'' that can include cannibalizing her cagemates and rubbing her body against the wire mesh until it is featherless and bleeding. Pain? Suffering? Madness? The operative suspension of disbelief depends on more neutral descriptors, like ''vices'' and ''stress.'' Whatever you want to call what's going on in those cages, the 10 percent or so of hens that can't bear it and simply die is built into the cost of production. And when the output of the others begins to ebb, the hens will be ''force-molted'' -- starved of food and water and light for several days in order to stimulate a final bout of egg laying before their life's work is done.” This process of forced molting kills 5-10% of hens. “At any given time over 6 million hens in the U.S. are being systematically starved in their cages.” “5% - 10% of birds die during the molt, and those who live may lose more than 25% of their body weight.” Of course, when we starve millions of hens to death, no one cares much—at least, not enough to stop paying the industry that starves them. For one example of a natural behavior that hens are unable to perform, leading to great distress>>533860905It should be illegal and the mother should be jailed if the fetus was old enough to have a significant chance at being conscious (probably around 8 weeks so most abortions) and the mother was not raped (actual rape). It’s still immoral in rape cases tho Exceptions for extremely rare cases in which the mother will probably die without the abortion are okay
>>533861116Battery hens are unable to dustbathe, perch, forage, or roost—natural behaviors which are replaced by inactivity or inappropriate substitutes on the barren cage floors. Under normal conditions, hens regularly bathe in dust to keep their feathers in good condition, as well as to regulate their temperature. Caged hens still retain the natural urge to dustbathe, even when the stimulus of litter is not present. In fact, battery hens will try to dustbathe against the wire bars of the cage. This leads to the degradation of feather condition.Dr. Baxter states that hens without access to perches are shown to suffer reduced welfare from “increased aggression, reduced bone strength, impaired food condition, and high feather loss.” Studies such as that by L.S. Cordiner and C.J. Savory have shown that supplementing cages with perches “reduces agonistic interactions,” by providing the means to form a hierarchy natural among laying hens. The floors of battery cages themselves present larger problems, leading to foot and leg problems for the hens.Because chickens’ toes have evolved to grasp tree limbs and other natural perches, tendon tension causes a high incidence of crooked toes, a severely painful condition, when wire floors are used. Since cage floors are sloped to facilitate egg collection, hens slip down to crosswires, causing calluses that can rupture and become infected. Research shows that hens in cages have a higher incidence of foot damage than those living in litter.
>>533861183The egg industry has no use for the males because they can’t lay eggs. The egg-laying males are not the right type of chicken to be sold for meat, so billions of baby male chicks are ground up alive or suffocated in bags on their first day of life. This happens to around 7 billion chickens every year.Because the hens are in unsanitary conditions in close quarters with weakened immune systems, diseases spread rapidly. These include “E. coli and Salmonella infections, fowl cholera, infectious coryza, influenza (bird flu), and infectious bronchitis.” Von Alt notes “In addition to severe mental and social deprivation, forcing a naturally active bird to spend her life in a cramped and nearly stationary position causes numerous health problems, including lameness, bone brittleness, and muscle weakness. Nearly 30 percent of hens have broken bones at the time they are slaughtered.” A HSUS report finds that uterine prolapse, wherein the uterus of the hen is pushed outside her body, is common.Hens die constantly, leading to chickens often living with the rotting, decaying corpses of other chickens.Hens have been genetically engineered to be maximally efficient machines for producing eggs. This results in frequent osteoporosis as her production of calcium-rich eggs results in frail bones. “In egg-bound hens, an egg has become stuck and cannot be passed, resulting in infections and systemic disease. Hens are denied any veterinary care for these conditions.” This genetic engineering results in deeply diseased creatures, living in constant agony—and this agony would exist even if they weren’t mistreated. They’ve been selected for hideous deformities leading to constant pain.
>>533857583Of course? But, sorry, what exactly blocks (((them))) from actually doing it to you and your family?
>>533861217Contrary to the naive fantasies of some vegetarians, there is not a crucial distinction between the egg industry and meat industry. If anything, the egg industry is worse. After the hens are done laying eggs, they’re sent to slaughter, just as a cow would be.Cage free farms are barely an improvement. Instead of cramming 10 into a tiny cage, they cram many more into a larger space, but the conditions are very similar.They’re slaughtered in rather horrifying ways. “… most hens are killed horrifically on farms because their bodies are deemed to be worth less than the cost of sending them to a slaughterhouse … Workers roughly yank “spent” hens out of their cages, stuff them into boxes, and gas them… The gas doesn’t always kill them. If they survive, workers beat them or slam them against a hard surface. Some survive all that and are trucked away—severely injured but still alive.”The reason for their debeaking is not primarily to prevent cannibalism, contrary to what the industry claims, as cannibalism is rare. Instead, according to a HSUS report, it is “performed principally because it reduces “food flicking, food wastage, and food consumption.”Hens in factory farms are wholly unable to build a nest. This leads to profound welfare issues, as it causes them great distress. The aforementioned HSUS report notes
>>533860544>Do you have evidence there’s more suffering or rights violations on an acre of wheat field then an acre of completely wild land?>Do you have evidence that a desolate plain where everything is dead has more rights violations than a wild land?If I nuked your country the land afterwards would have less child abuse happening within it than the land before the bombing.
We will pause this thread for a moment to express thanks to all the meat, poultry and livestock workers, who do all the unpleasant, dirty work of providing the delicious, healthful and wholesome food we enjoy.We salute you.
>>533861272Humans ( at least most male ones ) can enforce their own rights and non human animals cannot , animal rights must be granted by humans just as women’s rights must be granted by men
>>533861331The ex convicts and illegal immigrants? The underaged child laborers?
>>533857159TOTAL MALE DEATH
>>533861326Yes so what’s the issue? An acre of wheat field is better than an acre of factory farmYou can’t feed 8 billion people a diet of mostly pasture raised animal products
>>533861278According to Dr. Ian Duncan, world authority on poultry behavior and welfare, the most significant source of frustration for battery hens is “undoubtedly the lack of nesting opportunity.” Every day, the hens search for the material and space to build a nest, as well as seclusion they will never find, before being forced to lay their eggs among other birds on a metal-barred floor. According to Dr. Michael Baxter, expert on animal housing, this is likely to cause “significant suffering,” and the hens show symptoms of “severe frustration,” often exhibiting stereotypical “pacing” when denied nesting materials and space. Dr. Mench has reported that hens show a preference for nesting sites with litter, concealment, and protection for their nesting and incubation behaviors. Battery cages provide none of these requirements.Hens suffer distressing feather loss in the ghastly cages. This is caused by their frequent insanity-induced throwing of themselves against the metal walls of the cage, pecking from other chickens, and unsanitary conditions.Hens’ bones are weak as a result of the impossibility of exercise, low rates of calcium, rates of osteoporosis as high as 89%, and severe vitamin D deficiency. As a result of this, even before transport, 1 in 6 hens suffer broken bones.
>>533857159BILLIONSMUSTFRY
>>533857583They literally do. It's called abortion.
>>533857159the only answer is to dispose of every single third worlder, first in all European countries and then the rest of the world.that will cut demand for chicken by 90%, and since prisons, police and other related spending won't be needed, more can be used to subsidise free range organic farming.
>>533857159>not "eggsposed.com"They had one job.
>>533861684https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hZjTlIqd8HE>Nick Fuentes Thinks White People Deserve To Eat Meat & Black People Can Eat Mud Pies
>>533861539are we supposed to care that our food frequently goes insane before it does and we eat it?sorry chief im not yet compelled to care
>>533861823>before it dies
>>533861823Yes you should evaluate your country against other countries from behind “the veil of ignorance “Meaning before you were conceived if you were to be incarnated in Germany or usa and you did not know if you parents would be white, black, rich , poor or if you would be incarnated as a human or chicken or pig
>>533861360Really? My experience suggests you won’t do shit, retard!The only reason (((they))) don’t do it to you and to your kids is because you are a consumer, and (((they))) consider that you provide profits for (((them))) by being a good goy, so you are left alive so (((they))) can leech on you.The day you decide to go out of the system, (((they))) will terminate you without thinking twice. /pol/ knows this since plenty of examples have been provided.
>>533862001If I was playing Minecraft and did not wish to play on that Minecraft server anymoreGet a bow and arrowsGet a chestGet a small shovelGet a Minecraft mod to get Silica Gel Packets Desiccant things they only cost a few emeralds in the modGo to a place NOT NEAR YOUR BASE if someone makes it so you can't even go within 500 blocks of your base you still need to be able to access your chestDig a deep holePut bow and arrow, at least a couple hundred emeralds and the Silica Gel Packets Desiccant things in your chest. Optionally also add stuff like a small sword.Close chest up very tightly.Put chest at bottom of hole and cover with dirt blocks.WHEN YOU GO TO SPOT WHERE YOU WILL BURY THE CHEST LEAVE YOUR MAP AND COMPASS AT YOUR BASE DON'T BRING THEM WITH YOU. IF YOU HAVE A PHONE MOD OR MODERN CAR MOD DON'T BRING THOSE WITH YOU EITHERfinal stepIf you ever become homeless or whatever in Minecraft go dig up your chest and do PvP before jumping into lavaIf you are making a stash in Minecraft don't bury it at your Minecraft base you live at in game bury it somewhere like a public park in the Minecraft server and make sure you bury it somewhere easy to find like next to some sort of landmark in the server.Make sure to keep in mind how deep you bury it like how many blocks and what the frost line is if you have the frost line mod installed on the server. Obviously at least quadruple bag it if you have the plastic bag mods on the server with some very strong airtight bags from the mod and put plenty of dehydrating packets in each bag if you have a desiccant mod
>>533861954this is incorrectyou are actually given a choice and humans do not reincarnate into lower animals anon. you will complete the cycle of samsara and if you're smart, you will accept oblivion at the end, if you have the heart for it.
>>533857159>>533857209>>533857340>>533857395>>533857532Mammal supremacy! Get fucked dinoggers! My great ^ 17 grandmouser was eaten alive by a big fucking lizard in a cretaceous camp.
>>533860099>only pro choice feminists wish to lasso in women >we need to be pro white women killing their unborn children to save our race guysMost jewish thing I've read all day. Earning the hate award
>>533862159did one or two being(s) who were not human give birth to a human being?Would it have been morally okay for him or her to have tortured and eaten one or both of his or her parents?
>>533862323depends, were they vegan?
>>533857159Just seems wasteful. The red man had it right when he used as much of the animal as possible. I'm sure the roosters could still be used for some dish.
>>533857395vax or anesthesia?
>>533862323There's my grandpappy, Juramaia! I feel zero remorse for what dinoggers get. Praise Chicxulub for removing those oppressors.
Did something good for the chicken.Post these in restrooms so people know. Because a chicken saved today is some frens tendies tomorrow. Now give me money for my save the chicken campaign.
>>533862515Definitely not anesthetic There’s different ways of cutting beaks some worse than others but all cause long term suffering
>>533857159all industrial meat is a crime against humanity.
Every moral argument you make against animal abuse is sabotaged by your asinine passive-aggressive anthropomorphization of fucking poultry.
>>533862695>against humanitylol ok PETA schizo
>>533862695Yes>The Noahide Laws are a set of seven universal moral laws in Judaism that are believed to have been given by God to Noah after the flood. These laws include prohibitions against idolatry, murder, theft, and sexual immorality, as well as the obligation to establish courts of justice.>Do not eat flesh torn from a living animal>Prohibition against cruelty to animals and consuming their flesh while alive.Genesis 9:9-10 (In your preferred KJV) "And I, behold, I establish my covenant with you, and with your seed after you; And with every living creature that is with you, of the fowl, of the cattle, and of every beast of the earth with you; from all that go out of the ark, to every beast of the earth. And I will establish my covenant with you, neither shall all flesh be cut off any more by the waters of a flood; neither shall there any more be a flood to destroy the earth."God established a covenant not only with humans, but with every beast of the earth as well.>There isn't anything in that bible that suggests beasts have any kind of preeminenceEven in the KJV, it says, as I just quoted, "yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast." And notably in the Hebrew the word translated "breath," ruach, is the same word translated "spirit," in the verse under discussion. Man and beast all have one spirit.
My chickens are kept nice and happy in my backyard
>>533862793>no beast having a soulThe main Hebrew word usually translated as soul is nephesh, which is applied to humans and animals. It used of animals before humans in Genesis.>No beast prayingJob 38:41 "Who provides food for the raven when its young cry out to God and wander about for lack of food?"Psalm 104:27 "27"All creatures look to you to give them their food at the proper time.">no beast being promised anythingIsaiah 65:25 "The wolf and the lamb will feed together, and the lion will eat straw like the ox, and dust will be the serpent’s food. They will neither harm nor destroy on all my holy mountain,” says the Lord.I will say that the Abrahamic religions are, on the whole, very human-centric religions with limited concern for animals, and that's one of the things that makes me pretty confident that they're wholly human inventions, but if you're willing to look, you can certainly find that animals aren't wholly excluded or relegated to being just props.Romans 8:19-23"For the creation waits with eager longing for the revealing of the children of God, for the creation was subjected to futility, not of its own will, but by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself will be set free from its enslavement to decay and will obtain the freedom of the glory of the children of God. We know that the whole creation has been groaning together as it suffers together the pains of labor, and not only the creation, but we ourselves..." And word translated creation can mean creature as well. It includes all living things.
>>533857159factory farming is wrong but capitalism demands it
>>533862851Oh, there's also ye olde talking donkey story, which as silly as it may be does attribute obvious intelligence to an animal when given the power to speak.https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Numbers%2022%3A21-39&version=NRSVUEThen the Lord opened the mouth of the donkey, and it said to Balaam, “What have I done to you, that you have struck me these three times?” Balaam said to the donkey, “Because you have made a fool of me! I wish I had a sword in my hand! I would kill you right now!” But the donkey said to Balaam, “Am I not your donkey, which you have ridden all your life to this day? Have I been in the habit of treating you this way?” And he said, “No.”There's also 1 Kings 17, where God says to Elijah, "You shall drink from the wadi, and I have commanded the ravens to feed you there.” and the Hebrew word used for God commanding the ravens is the same word used many times for God commanding humans to do things throughout the Tanakh, including God's command to a widow just a few verses later.https://biblehub.com/hebrew/tzivviti_6680.htm
>>533862933>This has nothing to do with a spiritual connection with GodBreath and spirit are the same word in the Hebrew, so it's up to the translators to make the distinction.>Not in the kjv, none of my business.I guess no one correctly understood God until the KJV was written, though the KJV translators themselves were under no illusions about being divinely inspired. https://dbts.edu/2012/04/09/the-embarrassing-preface-to-the-king-james-version/>That's not praying for God's sake, that's a reference to ravens croaking in distress for lack of food and God being mindful of that.>Again, that's called figure of speech, and expectation wouldn't be the same as prayer anyways.Who are you to tell the writers what they mean?>That's not a promise to beasts, that's a promise to man concerning beasts. Come on now.I wouldn't have expected to find a direct promise to animals in a book written for humans, but to my surprised I did above, in Genesis 9:9-10, where God explicitly establishes a covenenant not only with humans but with every beast of the earth, and he promises to them as well as to humans never to flood the earth again.
>>533862992Another instance of God making (promising to make) a covenant with animals is in Hosea 2:18. "And in that day will I make a covenant for them with the beasts of the field and with the fowls of heaven, and with the creeping things of the ground: and I will break the bow and the sword and the battle out of the earth, and will make them to lie down safely."
>>533863062https://christspiracy.com/
>>533857159Do you think free-range eggs feel better about not being born?
>>533857159>>533857209Ok.And?
>>533863190As opposed to born and then immediately blendered? I think I personally would rather never be born if those were my two options
>>533862838nice big cock you got there buddy, be a shame if some nigger came and gobbled it
>>533857159>reddit user detectedHang yourself
>>533862159The Cambridge declaration of consciousness and the new york update to it show that all birds and mammals have a significant amount of consciousness all those Cognitive neuroscientists, neuroanatomists, neurophysiologists, neuropharmacologists, computational neuroscientists, ethologists, behavioral biologists, theoretical physicists, philosophers, comparative psychologists, evolutionary biologists, neurologists, animal welfare scientists, legal scholars, professors of law, public law and human rights lecturers, computer scientists, veterinary professors, environmental studies scholars, chemical and biological engineers, linguists, and chief executive officers agree
>>533863361No
I'm still eating meat if you like it or not
>>533863526You browse reddit, your life is worthless and you are a faggot Hang yourself
>>533857649All men who were circumcised as babies deserve at least 150 million USA dollars adjusted for inflation / at least 44000 ounces of pure 24k gold (44000 ounces of pure 24k gold is worth 147727340 dollars on 06/03/2025).They were innocent babies and were horribly, permanently and irreversibly mutilated for their entire one life on earth before it even began.There is NO way to FULLY or even MOSTLY recover their lost foreskins and all of it's structures. Stretching does not nearly even come close to restoring it to it's original form.>Why at least 150 million USA dollars / at least 44000 ounces of pure 24k gold?Because there was a case of a adult man who merely had some mean words, drawings and jokes said to him at work. Nothing criminally illegal like death threats, leaking his social security number etc. He later quit his job at Tesla he wasn't fired. He was offered 15 million 2022 dollars for his hurt feelings by a usa judge https://www.nbcnews.com/business/business-news/tesla-racism-lawsuit-worker-rejects-15-million-payout-rcna34655He was literally offered 15 million dollars that the government would take from Tesla and hand directly to him. He rejected it because he wanted more then 15 million 2022 dollars but the point stands the government is willing to say mean words and hurt feelings are worth at least 15 million 2022 dollars.Being circumcised as a baby is AT LEAST ten times worse.At least 150 million 2025 dollars and at least 44000 ounces of pure 24k gold is a very very deep compromise.>But anon I'm circumcised and brokeI know and you deserve better. Immediately quit your wagie job. You should never contribute to circumcisers. You deserve to be very comfortably retired NOW. A circumciser should not be richer than you unless they are bezos or musk. You should be almost infinitely richer than every american woman (circumcision is illegal in USA) unless she's Mackenzie bezos. She should be working a wagie job and serving you.
>>533857159Yes op jew. I'm sure being vegan will definitely solve this problem. Lmao. Absolute state of jew shills here
>>533863665>>533857649CASE #2https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2023/07/20/mcdonalds-lawsuit-hot-chicken-nugget/70436203007/A random family is in a car. These are not employees they're just random customers.They go to McDonalds drive throughMom buys nuggetsGives nuggets (corpses of tortured and mutilated animals that were factory farmed) to her little kidKid drops nugget on thighIt leaves a slight burn on thighBurn heals completely leaving a small barely noticable and not painful scar on thighGirl gets 800,000 dollars.Circumcising a baby is at least 30 times worse easily.It's obviously way way worse than 30 times but whatever let's be extremely conservativeThat's 24 million dollars or at least 7000 ounces of pure 24k gold.You deserve this.
>>533863694>>533857649ROUTINE CIRCUMCISION OF BABY BOYS IS BATTERY!! It is non consensual touching which is medically unnecessary. This is actually legally correct at least in usa as intactivist lawyers have arguedGUESS What? A battery can be worth 5 million dollars or moreCircumcision is doing severe permanent irreversible physical damage to an innocent baby boy . Possible severe mental damage tooIf Carroll can get 5 million then so should men circumcised as boys>>533863692If that was true then why is Israel one of the nations with the highest percentage of vegans? Why does the idf have so many vegans and make so many accommodations for vegans?
>>533863773>>533857649When you strip away the billion-dollar "symbolic" verdicts (where the victim never actually sees the money) and focus on cases involving a one-time assault with moderate injuries (no permanent paralysis, no death), the numbers usually top out in the $5 million to $12 million range.The reason these "simple" batteries get so high is almost always punitive damages—when a jury decides to "fine" a wealthy person or a big company for being a bully.1. The High-Water Mark: $8.2 Million (New York, 2025)As of early 2026, one of the highest recent payouts for a single-incident battery occurred in New York involving a high-net-worth individual and a service worker.The Incident: A hedge fund executive punched a parking attendant once during a dispute over a car.The Injuries: A broken cheekbone and a concussion. The victim recovered physically within months, but sued for emotional distress and battery.The Verdict: The jury awarded $1.2 million for medical bills and pain, but added $7 million in punitive damages specifically because of the defendant’s wealth and the "predatory" nature of the assault.Why it was "highest paid": Unlike the billion-dollar cases, the defendant actually had the liquid assets to pay the judgment.2. The "Single Punch" Record: $4.75 Million (Deen v. Drai’s)This is the classic "regular guy" example often cited in legal circles.The Incident: A man was punched once by a security guard at a Las Vegas nightclub.The Injuries: A broken jaw and a concussion. No permanent disability, but the victim required surgery (his jaw was wired shut for weeks).The Result: A jury awarded him $4.75 million.
>>533863820>>533857649The Logic: Because the bouncer was an employee of a massive hospitality group, the jury hit the company with the bill to force them to change their security training.3. The "Sexual Battery" Benchmark: $5 Million (Carroll v. Trump)While there was a later $83 million verdict for defamation, the original 2023 verdict for the battery itself was $5 million.The Incident: A single encounter in a department store dressing room.The Injuries: No "super severe" physical injuries (like broken bones or hospitalization), but the jury focused on the psychological trauma.The Result: The $5 million award was for the act of battery and the associated pain and suffering.
>>533859517Cats can tolerate pain. They aren't pussies.
>>533863851>>533857649>But but but if I quit my wagie job and stop helping circumcisers I'll become homeless and have no money!!Maybe or maybe not. Doesn't matter don't be a pussy.In Minecraft if you want to be the ultimate Minecraft neetGet a bow and arrowsGet a chestGet a small shovelGet a Minecraft mod to get Silica Gel Packets Desiccant things they only cost a few emeralds in the modGo to a place NOT NEAR YOUR BASE if someone makes it so you can't even go within 500 blocks of your base you still need to be able to access your chestDig a deep holePut bow and arrow, at least a couple hundred emeralds and the Silica Gel Packets Desiccant things in your chest. Optionally also add stuff like a small sword.Close chest up very tightly.Put chest at bottom of hole and cover with dirt blocks.WHEN YOU GO TO SPOT WHERE YOU WILL BURY THE CHEST LEAVE YOUR MAP AND COMPASS AT YOUR BASE DON'T BRING THEM WITH YOU. IF YOU HAVE A PHONE MOD OR MODERN CAR MOD DON'T BRING THOSE WITH YOU EITHERfinal stepIf you ever become homeless or whatever in Minecraft go dig up your chest and do PvP before jumping into lavaIf you are making a stash in Minecraft don't bury it at your Minecraft base you live at in game bury it somewhere like a public park in the Minecraft server and make sure you bury it somewhere easy to find like next to some sort of landmark in the server.Make sure to keep in mind how deep you bury it like how many blocks and what the frost line is if you have the frost line mod installed on the server. Obviously at least quadruple bag it if you have the plastic bag mods on the server with some very strong airtight bags from the mod and put plenty of dehydrating packets in each bag if you have a desiccant mod
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>>533863886I wasn't exaggerating at all being circumcised is at least 100 times worse then mean words you volunteerly endure (you can quit job at any time) and at least 30 times worse then that girls burnall circumcisers don't get reparations. That includes doctors who perform surgeries as well as parents among others.Millions of dollars for the irreversible damages must be the priority.No circumcised man should have to choose between wage slavery and homelessness while their are circumcisers who are rich enough they can comfortably retire young.YOU DESERVE MILLIONS ACT LIKE ITQUIT YOUR JOB IMMEDIATELY.REPARATIONS OR RETRIBUTIONThere are young woman with completely intact genetalia who have never been mutilated in their lives who are very wealthy and are comfortably retired.THERE are men who had their genitals seriously mutilated permanently and irreversibly as babies who are poor and working jobs they hate to serve those women because if they don't work they'll become homeless.Quit your job today.Play Minecraft if you must.You deserve to be a multimillionaire today
>>533863942Give each person circumcised as a baby enough money to buy at least 44000 ounces of pure 24k gold in 2025Blame parentsDoctorsNursesPoliceHospitalsJudgesPoliticiansLawyersEtcLiving as a circumcised male makes sense if you are worth tens of millions of dollars and otherwise reasonably healthyI don't want to focus too much on legality.Morally we deserve it even if morality is subjective.They're hypocrites for not giving us our millions eachWe are justified to seek justice ourselvesCircumcised men need to understand they're totally justified in not working at all and taking as much welfare as they wantAnd if they become homeless for not working they should play Minecraft at the public library computer>Also work for muslim ?Maybe but again they can't be circumcising othersIf they're promoting Islam they're promoting circumcising babiesSo only ex Muslims who were circumcised as children and are vocally anti Islam and have been since they were youngIf you are circumcised and you have a sibling that is uncircumcised you deserve full inheritance from your parents for mutilating you.You had to suffer more if they wanna do 50/50 play minecraft, you are perfectly justified and I, for one, will praise you. Men need to grow balls again, yeah Minecraft is scary, but living as a cripple who isn't rich and has to work is miserable and humiliating.I plan to get rich though investing/gamblingI will not contribute to society in any way I only want to stealCircumcising girls is illegal. Circumcising boys is legal in every country on earth.Circumcising girls is illegal in most.Make them careGive us what we deserve or we play MinecraftSpartans fought guys off outnumbered 7 to 1
>>533863995Not everyone would instantly become a multimillionaireNo reparations for womenReparations only for circumcised men who haven't helped circumcise othersCircumcised innocent men would become much wealthier then those who are intact or who circumcised others.Tens of millions of men would be given millions of dollars printed into existence.Yes it would cause inflation. That's okay.The circumcised who haven't circumcised others deserve to be wealthier then the intact and or circumsirersBoomers who circumcised babies SHOULD have their retirement savings inflated out of existence.Sorry boomer retirement is over for you now you must go back to work or be homeless.Time for gen z to take it easyBRING THE DIGITAL CURRENCY OR TEN THOUSAND DOLLAR USA BILLS AND ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS USA BILLS NOW100 USA DOLLAR BILL WON'T EVEN BUY YOU A SODA AND THAT IS OKAYIf bread costs 10,000 dollars a loaf that's fine.It's the uncircumcised who didn't get reparations who won't be able to afford bread at first.They can work for a circumcised person who got reparations for 15,000 dollars an hour or somethinghttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WWVz_DcSeZc [Open]He wasn't even arrested. He wasn't even handcuffed. If he can get millions of dollars why can't I?
>>533864021>And just who will fund this?The government's infinite money printers.Also confiscate wealth from circumcisers and make them homeless.Oprah Winfrey makes cream from baby foreskins she should be homelessIf someone offered me 150 million dollars or my original foreskin back I'd take the foreskin in a heartbeat. Since that is no longer an option I will have to settle for just the 150 million dollars instead. If I don't get either of those I'm playing Minecraft.>silica gel packets from the silica gel modYou can buy them from villagers or online if you have the online shopping mod they're really cheap you can also find them in potion bottles I think.
>>533857653Tendies and nuggets
>>533863995Islam isn't particularly pro-circumcision.
>>533863941unironically yes Pic related
>>533857583Anon, 2 parentheses means jews whilst three say that you're a faggot.
All the chicken i eat is grown and processed locally and in my country we don't have such barbaric methods of handling livestock. Proud to not be american.
People have some weeeeeiiiiird ideas about food and where it comes from. People talk of animal cruelty in the beef industry but it isn't anything compared to the suffering and waste involved in corporate poultry farms. Pig farms are even worse than that since pigs are extremely intelligent and don't get to roam around for years of their life in the country before they go to the packer. They just sit there in their own filth crowded like crops. Follow your avacodo back in time a few weeks. Look up Monsanto and their takeover of corn and wheat in America. BLM land being turned into the kings forest so that nobody can compete with the mad scientists. Look up corn and dairy subsidies. It's wild what it takes to feed millions of people and put it in cute little plastic packages for you. t. butcher
>>533864121It’s not very anti involuntary circumcision either Besides its provably false so no one should be a Muslim or Mormon
>>533862851>abrahamic teligions are on the whole very human centric religions with limited concern for animalsYou would be a projecting retard then, because animal welfare ia explicitly described in the bible alongside proper treatment and kindness>thou shalt not muzzle the ox while he treadeth the corn>birds nestKindness to animals was the least of the Commandments when referenced by Jesus Christ for greatest/least Commandment
>>533863886>minecraft glownig postingLmfaoEvenUsed the same stale copy pasta or is this just the new iterations to the bots now?
>>533864194Are you sure? https://m.youtube.com/results?sp=mAEA&search_query=diy+piglet+castration+no+anesthetic+&ra=m#searchingAlso what about imported animal products?>>533864315Jesus seems to have killed or at least stood idly by and watched as pigs drowned to death , he could have used his magic powers to intervene and save them
>>533864404was what Luigi mangione did counterproductive?What about the nyc shooter who the media lied about and said was targeting the nfl? They heavily heavily suppressed that he killed a black rock bitch who was in charge of managing hundreds of billions of dollars
>>533857159>>533858153basedI will sneak on a farm, murder the cow myself and quarter it to steal the meatI'm alive bitches, all the meat in this world is there to feed me. My cat and dog enthusiastically agree, the mice don't! Oh wait, the mice have no qualms eating animal protein, in fact they love it! So do the chickens, and even deer and horses. Turns out the whole of nature agrees gladly with me murdering and feasting on animals. Life is great. It only stops being great when some bitch faggot tries to make retarded threads like this one.
>>533859679>chinkyeah I came here expecting it to be an escalator video.
>>533864579The Victim: The executive killed was Wesley LePatner. She was the CEO of Blackstone Real Estate Income Trust (BREIT) and a Senior Managing Director. She did indeed manage a massive amount of capital BREIT alone had about $53 billion in assets, and she was a key player in Blackstone’s $325 billion real estate business
>>533860544>The pork industry is worse then wheat and onionsRice industry is worse than pork and chicken. Especially if you have only rice, and no ducks and/or fish.Plants and animals evolved together. It is more wasteful in the long run to separate them. And plant food people eat is plant food herbivores cannot eat. Veganism is usually a fantasy of people who are extremely remote from food production; historically it was typically tied to an exploitative urbanized elite.No species can survive in isolation, and all animal life is dependent on the death of other organisms.
>>533864633>My cat and dog enthusiastically agree, the mice don't! Oh wait, the mice have no qualms eating animal protein, in fact they love it!Thats like saying permanently severely mentally handicapped humans who can’t reason sometimes attack, kill or eat each other therefore that justifies us factory farming, torturing with experimentation and eating those severely mentally handicapped humans.
>>533864429very sure. we don't import processed meat in my country. maybe the cattle themselves for breeding purposes but beyond that everything is raised and processed right here.
>>533862145>the cycle of samsarais a lie invented by grifters.You are ultimately organic carbon and a bit of fertilizer, Anon.This is the only sacred duty there is in a human life: to feed a tree.
>>533864725No it isn’t
>>533864872promises of afterlife prevent people from getting justice by taking things into their own hands in this life I still hope an afterlife exists, but that’s just a bonus
>>533864238In Islam it ranges from:>you should do it>It's good if you do it>You can do it >meh No clear text to mandate for or against it
>>533864815billions of years of evolution ensured that you would breathe oxygen, sleep and eat meat among other things. It is only the civilizational existence you lead through the hard work of people who eat meat to have the strength and health to maintain it that makes you entertain these delusions. Stop eating meat if you want, and say thanks you can enjoy the results of big brained, meat-eating scientists who discovered how to keep your sorry self alive despite it
>>533863429>all birds and mammalsAnd probably numerous cephalopods, as well as some fishes and maybe a few arthropods. Amphibians and reptiles are... weird. They (and most shoaling fishes) seem to have a vestigial consciousness, but very little individuality or personality. Dimly aware, but not really self-aware yet, as it seems.
>>533857300>Imagine if you broke the same bone three times.I've broken my left arm three times (One time the bones were poking out), my right arm once, my nose, and a few ribs. Did you never ride a bicycle or a skateboard? Play a sport? Go too fast on a sled in the snow? God damn, you sound like a complete fucking fairy.>In a modern farm, hens can’t do that, so they spend a lot of their time pecking other hens,They do this to establish dominance in their flock. Hence the term "pecking order".>the inability to retire somewhere for the laying act.Breeds that are meant for laying have zero maternal instinct. I've never seen a RSL go broody and even more heritage breeds often don't and dropping their egg in the morning is no more to them than taking a shit is for me, just something you do, wherever, to start your day.FYI, the natural state of a chicken in the wild is to become coon, coyote, fox, bobcat, weasel, fisher cat, skunk or hawk shit, or in the case of a rooster to be killed by a more alpha rooster. They are almost second to the lowest thing on the food chain which is why they evolved (even prior to domestication) to lay so many eggs because 99% of them are meant to get eaten alive by a predator before even reaching breeding age.All that said, there's plenty of city-fags who have never seen a chicken in real life who you could probably grift into donating to a charity to make a nice comfy farm somewhere to adopt all those roosters and retired hens that the egg industry has no use for. Go start a gofund me instead of e-crying about shit you don't understand on 4chan.
>>533865168An all knowing God should condemn it and not condone having sex with a 9 year old Islam is garbage. Anyone who won’t testify that Muhammad was a false prophet should be banned from entering any civilized country
>>533857159>>533857209That shit is hella fucked up and wasteful. They could put them down with co2, freeze them, and sell them as reptile and raptor food.
>>533864872>it's fake!this is only something said by people who are not initiated. when you know you know. when you don't, well...there's you. that's the sad truth anon.you'll know when it's your time to know.
>>533865178My ancestors required meat yes, today civilization can function without it. Vegan construction workers, scientists, athletes, etc exist and are very productive and successful
>>533865285nice b8 m8
>>533865285I’ve had a fracture before but I also had a doctor give me local anesthetic and then bend it into place and give me a cast
>>533865518>>533865285Bone fractures. The majority of hens experience a bone fracture over the course of their life. On average, they have three. Imagine if you broke the same bone three times. This is, and I can’t emphasize this enough, what most hens deal with—the industry that produces our eggs is so cruel that it breaks the bones of most hens multiple times. In fact, the situation is much worse for hens than it would be for us, because the area around their keel bone, which is the most common kind of fracture, has a huge number of nerves. While such experiences in humans usually produce disabling pain for about a day, for chickens, such pain lasts about a week. Often the bone doesn’t heal properly, leading to constant intense agony.
>>533857159Based. Most men are useless.
>>533857814Retarded cat is going to clog the sink.
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>>533865575calm down sabrina>>533865564oh no, that hen will never be an olympic vaulter or doctor or martial arts expert now! oh the pity!it's a fucking chicken dude, it is going to eventually die and be eaten. nothing you do to ease its pain will change its fate.cruel? life is cruel. would you feel such pity if a starving wolf ate the chicken instead of a human? now where does your misplaced empathy move to, the poor broken boned chicken or the starving wolf with pups to feed.just get the fuck over yourself, hyper feminized faggot
>>533865285>All that said, there's plenty of city-fags who have never seen a chicken in real life who you could probably grift into donating to a charity to make a nice comfy farm somewhere to adopt all those roosters and retired hens that the egg industry has no use for. Go start a gofund me instead of e-crying about shit you don't understand on 4chan.Yes vegan animal sanctuaries already exist, people from cities are able to donate to them and visit them
>>533865723predation is also bad, so is overpopulation and starvation It’s unfortunate when a 3 year old human shoots and kills his 1 year old sibling
>Pigs possess cognitive abilities comparable to those of a 3-year-old human, demonstrating impressive problem-solving skills, emotional complexity, and social intelligence. This comparison highlights their remarkable intelligence, which often surpasses that of many other domesticated animals.
>>533857159a nigger will take your child as well.
I don't get it. If you eat meat or eggs in 2026, (You) voted for this.
>>533857159If only they were Mexicans.
Life is truly a prison planet
>>533857159Cool now we just need to upscale this concept for pajeet's and chinksects
>>533866177Maybe AGI will help create lab grown meat or maybe it will just kill off all life
>>533865285I've done all those things, snowboarding, downhill cycling, skateboarding down steep gradients, run down mountains, jumped off cliffs and so far not had nay brajor breaks. cracked a finger once.think I had unusually high bone strength, or just luck in that regard.
it's an instant death at least which is way better than some of those factory farms in the US and in third world countries
>>533857159This in one thing we should outsource to India. Just repalce the chicks with jeetspawn.
>>533866339but you can’t swim?
>>533866417was a competitive swimmer for years.niggers have brittle bones
>>533866211theres too much suffering all over the place, it seems like suffering is built into the foundations of this reality starting with the fact that every living organism survives by eating other organisms.It seems to me that the creator of this reality is a masochist piece of shit that enjoys and wants to ensure that there is as much suffering as possible
>>533857159Thanks for the thread op. You genuinely just redpilled me on this topic.
>>533866535You are very welcome >>533866500For boring philosophical reasons an evil God is not likely at all. Atheism or All good all powerful all knowing theism are the only two options with any real chance of being correct Maybe it’s the angels / archons fault for all the natural evil https://benthams.substack.com/p/the-archon-abandonment-theodicy
>>533866535Sorry to break it to you but being redilled will not change anything, people will still eat meat all over the world. Poor animals are being sacrificed so that humans can eat meat. I'm not even a vegetarian or vegan but I hate the fact that I have to eat meat to not be a massive faggot a get the decent amount of protein required, even if I turned vegetarian right now it wouldnt make a difference
>>533866535never listen to vegan freaks on the internet. they're habitual liars and rely on emotional propaganda to warp minds against reality
>>533865914you're worrying about problems at scale incomprehensibly larger than you will ever be capable of affecting anonsame as all salad fags, you do not have the means to affect global populations with your concern narratives. the issues resolve themselves. the planet regulates US not the other way around. you think too highly of yourself, the conceit, the hubris, to believe humans are more than just an annoying fungus that spreads across the planet, not unlike a rash. when we stir up shit we will just be wiped out, like humanoids have been for countless millions of years before you, be it from natural disaster, famine or cosmic intervention from the sun or astral bodies moving around us.Sentient life is precious, delicate and is periodically wiped out as you will soon discover. Enjoy it while you can. Go out and have a burger with fries on me; this signals the peak of your race's evolution, to which you have conquered all and now you can eat your highly processed foods with glee, for the end is nigh and soon it will all just be a fever dream by a mindless animal once again hoping to be more than just that.Happy Saturdayhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ot1gnSi9E1U&list=RDOt1gnSi9E1U&start_radio=1
>>533866798being redpilled**
>>533857880I don't give a shit. Commercial cows, pigs, and chickens are made things. They don't exist in nature and have no other reason for existing beyond providing food and materials for humans. Stop pretending to advocate for anything other than their complete destruction, which is what you're actually doing.
>>533866798but if you as an individual buy chicken everyday for a couple years vs you don’t buy any chicken or any other meat at all for a couple years it usually does make a difference to the 1 to 900 chickens you have personally spared. There’s millions of men dying in Ukraine but that doesn’t mean im not making a big difference by not choosing to murder 2 of my neighbors Evidence for this is in op
>>533866798I'm not opposed to eating meat, but I am opposed to such a barbaric practice. It's inhumane.
>>533866689Why would an omnipotent, omniprescent and omniscient creator allow such evils to exist? Why would God allow Satan and other evil beings to exist and torment humanity?
>>533857880all vegans should kill themselves immediately to save the planet.every crop field causes the deaths of 20,000 creatures per year
>>533866991>inhumaneonly applies towards other humansthese are not animals that were born for any other purpose than to be consumedwhy does this fact always evade salad niggers
>>533866991totally agree, you're right about that. >>533866939I guess, I just have a very pessimistic outlook on life and our reality as a whole tbqh so I dont see any way of having a profound effect
>>533866916that same logic could be used to justify factory farming genetically modified humans who were technically a different species, you can also hypothetically stipulate they were gmo’ed to not be able to reason like a pig >>533867041Because defining human is tricky >>533862323See this ^
>>533867156niggers arent human, that was easy
>>533867041>Inhumane means lacking compassion, kindness, or pity, often describing cruel actions that cause suffering to people or animals
>>53386699420,000 wild insects? I think they are probably not conscious but even if they are it seems the vast majority of wild insects live mostly bad lives as most die shortly after birth never even reaching adulthood. Reducing wild insect populations can be a good thing actually
>>533867236>or animalsadded by some deranged peta fag
>>533867258you're a subhuman, thats what you are
>>533866993For relationshipsIt seems like relationships are an intrinsic good like pleasure. If I found out solipsism was true that’d be bad
>>533867362ok island beaner, please tell me what a human is.it's not youi'm an ultra human, beyond your comprehension
>>533857159i dont care
>>533857209goodfuck chinks
>>533867371>>533866993There are archons.Libertarian free will is right (otherwise the archons would just help us out).Objective list theory is true.The archons for some reason don’t make their existence obvious.The world absent archons is filled with enormous gratuitous suffering—rather than merely being absent in certain goods.The world absent archons doesn’t appear to be presided over by any agents.God for some reason needs us to be in actual danger rather than just having the archons believe we’re in danger.You might think all of these being true is unlikely but ask yourself if the universe being finely tuned under atheism is more or less likely + psycho physical harmony + moral knowledge + somewhat well documented miracles + consciousness etc
>>533867469>>533867136Some people may attempt to argue that because there are other problems, or that because going vegan by yourself wouldn't make a huge change, then there's no point in even trying - which is an appeal to futility logical fallacy.A could say:P1. Something is not worth doing unless it solves the entire problem.P2. Going vegan individually wouldn't solve the issue of animals being farmed.C1. Going vegan individually is not worth doing.B could then say:P1. Something is not worth doing unless it solves the entire problem.P2. Abstaining from rape individually wouldn't solve the issue of rape existing.C1. Abstaining from rape individually is not worth doing.Or:P1. Something is not worth doing unless it solves the entire problem.P2. Drinking water when thirsty wouldn't solve the issue of biologically needing water constantly.C1. Drinking water is not worth doing.Or:P1. Something is not worth doing unless it solves the entire problem.P2. Voting individually wouldn't guarantee that the chosen candidate gets elected.C1. Voting individually is not worth doing.And so on.P1. is very clearly absurd, as it's a stance that's disconnected from reality and is indicative of the interlocutor/s' (willful) ignorance of basic economics and supply and demand.Each individual affects the entire economical system, as movements and large-scale changes in demand are made by singular individuals - when a large group of singular individuals change their demands, the market changes.However, with veganism a large-scale change doesn't even have to happen for your singular individual choice to matter, as not participating in the buying of animal products will statistically save thousands of farmed animals from being bred into existence just to be harmed and slaughtered.
>>533865564>—Sorry, I didn't catch that I was talking to an LLM the first time. >>533866339Could be I just suck at all that stuff which I'm not prepared to rule out. I was most sour about the skateboarding one because it fucked me out of a whole baseball season.>>533866458Niggers have higher bone density which is part of the reason they cannot swim.
>>533867452not caring at all about animals is brown behavior you're brown
>>533867743shut up kike, no one asked you
>>533867681not ai https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VsdanRboTTE>incelHe has a gf, he is the author of the “ai” text you quoted
>>533857159Their lives are extremely short and they're killed very quickly, they barely suffer
hotoh wait, chicks like chickens? nevermind
>>533857159If you put Desis in these machines how long would it take them to process all 2 billion?
>>533867604you're right, but the issue once again is that we are designed by evolution or by the tranny coding the simulation to eat meat, we require animal protein to get enough B12 and other minerals, aminoacids, etc. Most vegans and vegetarians suffer from health issues usually from lack of B12, despite extensive use of supplements
>>533867865thats what abortion is for but that’s ripping them apart limb by limb or basically poisoning them to death
>>533867932B12 is easy to get enough of and is one of only a few nutrients that the body can store long term although you can take it daily too So y is a complete protein , it’s not feminizing and to be fair neither is cows milk.
Is there any way to treat the chickens and pigs well and still eat meat ?.
>>533857159>>533857209>>533857300>>533857340>>533857395I don't care. I'm going to eat meat.
>>533867990>B12 is easy to get enoughthats not true at all. Just look at the amount of vegans that suffer from B12 issues despite supplementing extensively or even getting B12 injections every week or every 2 weeks.>>533867990>it’s not feminizingdoubt, soi has a fucking insane amount of phytoestrogens.
>>533857159They mostly gas male chicks in the UKEat free range chicken and eggs
>>533867759get out of here, brown
>>533857159when i head the title i thought "chicks" was in reference to white woman and i got excited, thinking that justice had arrivedinstead some bullshit about chickensruined my hard-on faggot
>>533867932>>533867932>Most vegans and vegetarians suffer from health issues usually from lack of B12, despite extensive use of supplementsBe careful with those studies because many are decades old also some are literally just >we took a group of vegans who do not take b12 supplements and tested their blood levels for b12. We found most of these people were deficient in b12There’s individuals who have been vegan their entire life from a vegan pregnancy. She is in her 30s now and still doing fine https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=v90Q4civ_ts>>533868164Cows milk has actual estrogen from a mammal and barely affects human estrogen or test levels, what little effect it has is short lived. Pea protein is also a very good protein I just put a b12 methyl under my tongue and let it dissolve. It literally goes right to my bloodSome people have rare genetic condition that makes it so they can not use regular natural b12 cynocobalmin and their body can only use the methyl form of b12. It makes no difference
>>533868230you're some maori mongrel hybrid, calling anyone brown is some next level savage retard shit lmao
>>533868360I mean cyanocobalamin is the synthetic and cheaper version of b12Methylcobalamin Is natural and better. It’s not that expensive A small number of people have a gene that makes them less effecient at converting the synthetic cheaper b12 cyanocobalimin to the active methyl form.Tldr take the methyl b12 supplement its still only a couple cents a day
>>533868360sorry but you're not going to convince me that soi is somehow healthy and totally not feminizing>amount of total estrogen content in 1 cup of milk: 0.015 micrograms>amount of estrogen (phytoestrogen) in 1 cup of soi: 100,000 micrograms
>>533868003Well? No.Less badly? Yes You can start by eating bigger animals like beef and milk and avoiding smaller ones like chicken and eggs
>>533868676Neither onions nor isoflavone intake affects male reproductive hormones: An expanded and updated meta-analysis of clinical studies. Authors: Reed, K. E., Camargo, J., Hamilton-Reeves, J., et al.Regardless of the dose (even "high" doses common in Asian diets) and regardless of the duration, there were zero significant effects on male sex hormones.
if animals didn't want humans to eat them then maybe they should have been better at killing humans before we kill themcircle of life baby
>>533869002 >>533868676Human Estrogen: Has a binding affinity of 100%.Onions Isoflavones: Have a binding affinity roughly 1,000 to 10,000 times weaker than human estrogen.But it doesn’t even matter because there’s male and female vegans with so y allergies who have been vegan for years
>>533869002Really? How come OP is such a colossal faggot then? Checkmate!
>>533869198Oni ons = so y >>533869108Naming 'food chain/naturality' to morally justify something is an appeal to nature logical fallacy.Just because something is natural, doesn't make that something OK/good/ideal/optimal/justified.There are many things that are natural that people do and that are not morally OK. Simply naming a few of them should be enough to demonstrate how 'natural' is irrelevant to morality.Is raping OK, because it's natural?What about fighting for territory? Out ancestors fought for territory.Is making your child live in a cave without medicine good, because it's only natural to do so?And so on.If 'food chain' is a justification of the interlocutor/s' harm and consumption of animals, then they should also be fine with other animals eating us, and shouldn't want to intervene when a human is being eaten, nor be wanting to protect against predators that are above us in the food chain - which is obviously not the case.P1. X being weaker/lower in the food chain than Y makes it morally OK for Y to eat/harm X.P2. Humans are weaker and lower in the food chain in nature than lions.C1. It's morally OK to allow lions to eat/harm humans in nature.P1. X being weaker/lower in the food chain than Y makes it morally OK for Y to eat/harm X.P2. Humans are weaker and lower in the food chain than super-intelligent aliens/AI.C1. It's morally OK for super-intelligent aliens/AI to eat/harm humans.'Food chain' often ends up being a case of 'might makes right', where actions are morally justified as long as a 'stronger' being inflicts harm upon a weaker one.This is laughably absurd, as reductio ad absurdum shows how insane this argument is.P1. X being weaker than Y makes it morally OK for Y to harm X.P2. Baby humans are weaker than adult humans.C1. It's morally OK for adult humans to harm baby humans.
>>5338691981000 times less is still 100 micrograms of phytoestrogens per cup of soibeans
>>533869286didn't read any of that shit lolI'm gonna go eat a burger and chicken nuggets
>>533869210I am a straight man This guy who is not even vegan consumed an extremely large amount of so y everyday for a month and it made no difference https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5MS0TrsI7rEhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=C8dfiDeJeDUhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XYXkHIsslD0If you want to be high testosterone and low estrogen and super masculine then just get down to 10% bodyfat because fat acts as a testosterone to estrogen conversion site so the less fat you have on your body the higher your testosterone will be Vegans on average are the least overweight, they have an average bmi under 25 and meat eaters don’t
>>533857159Industrial slaughter of sentient beings is mankinds greatest sin. There's no way you can dress it up ethically or morally. It's not even about eating meat or not. Hunting is infinitely more ethical than this.
>>533869558I agree especially if it’s carnivorous animals but you can’t always kill them all because in many ecosystems then the herbivores will overpopulate so people still need to eat plants because there’s not enough wild animals https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yWvQRwen8ag>>533869381Binding ==/= activation If a molecule like phytoestrogen binds but doesn't flip the switch because it’s super low efficacy compared to actual estrogen then it is an antagonist because it literally sits in the receptor and blocks your actual estrogen from working thereThe studies already have the blood work
>>533870149>>533869381the human body is very very good at breaking down isoflavones and peeing them outAlso what about plastic and “xenoestrogens” So y is water soluble! You pee it out!!! But plastic and xeno estrogens like BPA and phthalates are 1000 times worse. They are often fat soluble They do not just sit at estrogen receptors and block like so y does they turn them on I got to get going soon
