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Why do Nazi hate Stalin
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Because he killed millions of anti-communists before and after WW2 and was generally a good goy until maybe the Great Purge.
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James Madole and the National Renaissance Party liked him.
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Because Hitler was an imbecile who invaded his ally Stalin and lost everything as a result
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i hate anyone who opposes hitler and who the national socalist underground tells me to hate
im waiting for a jewish organization to fund the next revolution so i can go fight and die for the right reasons but the wrong people
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>>533878930
You're the imbecile if you think for a second Hitler and Stalin were ever genuine allies and not just buying time until one of them invaded the other.

Stalin wanted to act first , invading Germany in May 1941, but was spooked by Rudolf Hess's flight to the UK thinking that Hitler had secretly made a pact with Britian.
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>>533879138
fun fact
Stalin ran to the rockafellers once he learned Hitler invaded and wasnt heard from for 3 days
kek
typical kike behavior
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>>533879138
That never happened. Stalin believed in socialism in one country. He was never going to attack Nazi Germany.
Hitler wanted to attack the Soviet Union because he was aligned with capitalists who wanted to dismantle working class power in Russia and sell off their assets to them.
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>>533878244
Stalin purged the Jews.
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>>533879722
> Stalin believed in socialism in one country. He was never going to attack Nazi Germany.

that's just allied propaganda, Stalin was definitely going to attack, his entire strategic posture on the front lines was offensive not defensive, and there were plans to attack suggesting as much.

>Hitler wanted to attack the Soviet Union because he was aligned with capitalists

lmao it was Hitler who defeated France in the west while the UK and USA saved Russia. You are regurgitating 80 year old Stalinist soviet propaganda as if it were fact.
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>>533880114
>that's just allied propaganda, Stalin was definitely going to attack,
This is Nazi propaganda no different than the Holodomor, get new material
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>>533879138
Stalin told the CPUSA to prevent America from joining the allies or fighting Hitler. He only reversed this position when Hitler attacked

Hitler was a complete fucking retard. They had a good thing. Hitler wanted his Lebensraum and got too cocky
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>>533878244
>Why do Nazi hate Stalin
Why would Nazis hate Stalin?

https://executiveconcern.substack.com/p/dead-water
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Stalin was the best leader of the 20th century. He inherited an empire in shambles and turned it into a superpower while winning a war and cucking the faggot anglo-americans. Then to top it all off he purged the jewish counter elite when they were starting to get rowdy

Theres never been a leader like him in the modern era. Khrushchev and the de-stalinizers were a bunch of traitors and eunuchs.

As for stalins so called excesses? Greatly overstated. If anything he was too kind and should have killed far more people. That along with not training an appropriate successor were his two big mistakes.
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>>533880221
> no different than the Holodomor,

lmao you really are a braindead communist

>>533880235
Hitler had spies up and down the FDR administration he could, and did, get the US involved when he wanted. He just didn't want the CPUSA being seen publicly calling for the war, which could antagonize Germany, as everyone knew the CPUSA was a front for the USSR, before Stalin was ready.

Hitler attacked because he wanted to dismantle the vile, genocidal ideology that was communism which had killed millions before the war even started.
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>>533880634
America built the USSR's economy in the 1930s and then saved in in WW2. Nothing Stalin did was accomplished without the US's economic aid. And when Stalin died and the US was no longer around to build up the USSR, it just naturally declined into decrepit stagnant backwards economy, just as it had been prior to American importing its engineering expertise (all for free btw)

https://www.americanheritage.com/how-america-helped-build-soviet-machine
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>>533880685
>Uses the word "Stalinist" unironically
>Pushes CIA propaganda like the Holodomeme and bad communism unironically
Lmao, look at this nazi cuck still seething Stalin won
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>>533880685
Migger levels of delusion. "It is about freeing Iranians"

Hitler would in fact be a superb idiot if that was actually his motive, because he gave Russia half of Poland
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>>533880863
Stalin rejected the Marshall Plan
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>>533880863
>America built the USSR's economy in the 1930s and then saved in in WW2. Nothing Stalin did was accomplished without the US's economic aid
This is a total myth and Nazi cope. Stalin won the war because communism supercharged the economy. Allies did fuck all
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>>533878244
He murdered millions of White people for kikes.
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>>533880962
He gave Russia half of a territory that was effectively indefensible

>>533881007
The Marshall plan had nothing to do with it

>>533881027
It's entirely true, America built up Russia in the 1930s

>communism supercharged the economy.

lmao that's why when the USSR tried to actually implement communism under Lenin it had to be ended immediately because it starved millions and was a total failure.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_communism

The economy only improved after Lenin's NEP, basically soft capitalism, and then invited American firms to build up the entire infrastructure, manufacturing, and agricultural base on Russia's behalf. Once the Americans were kicked out the economy hummed for a while before beginning to lag behind the west and stagnating again, followed by the collapse of communism forever.
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>>533880863
And the romans stole the quinquereme design from Carthage. You're completely historically illiterate. This has always been the way that virile ambitious societies catch up on faggoty feminized ones.

Yes, stalin played the west in order to industrialize in record time. FDR thought this would give him indirect control over the ussr. It didn't. The Americans couldn't even conceptualize the sacrifices the Soviets were willing to make because america is a degenerate bourgeois society built on comfort and "harm avoidance".
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>>533881444
>Citing Wikipedia
>Expects to be taken seriously
Didn't read.
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>>533881027
They won the war because of lend-lease you absolute retard
The reason we should thank them is because communists don't value human life and every one of them were expendable
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>>533881027
The Soviets would have collapsed in 1942 without Lend-Lease. Cope.
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>>533880863
True
Look up Amtorg, guys
Even DneproGES was built by Americans
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>>533881593
>And the romans stole the quinquereme design from Carthage. You're completely historically illiterate

You retard, they didn't "steal an idea" American engineers literally went to Russia and built everything for them. And it wasn't just one invention or factory, it was the entire American factory system picked up and transported to the USSR, for free. They got decades of progress by America's greatest technical minds handed to them on a platter, and still couldn't keep up after the war ended.

Communist just failed outright and you can't accept it.

>FDR thought this would give him indirect control over the ussr

wrong, FDR wanted nothing whatsoever from Stalin, in fact he canceled all the debts the USSR owed the US and even hoped that Stalin would take more territory, especially India. He was a communist sympathizer at best.

In the end though I wish India had imported communism.

>>533881658
Imagine thinking war communism doesn't exist just because it's mentioned on wikipedia, lmao
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>>533878244
Man I miss these badass leaders. The world has gone soft.
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>>533878351
bullshit image.
you're a just a butt-mad nazbol.
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>>533878244
Joseph Stalin was a tough fucker and a hard worker which is why he won the war. While Hitler was watching movies and having tea with his secretaries Stalin pulled 20 hour days. He's one of the few communists I respect.
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>>533882019
>handed to them on a platter,
ackchyually, as it was the Great Depression and the time of Dust Bowl in the US, it was for something, namely much needed gold & millions of tons of grain (confiscated from starving Soviet peasants lol)
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>>533878244
He buck broke them
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>>533882228
nah, Hitler was extremely hard-working. I'd put them on par. I think Hitler was even more of a micromanager than Stalin. one of the only things I truly admire about Hitler was his versatility, he was well-informed on just about everything, down to the gauge of screws used in various projects
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>>533881444
The Germans also traded alot of engineering secrets and other tech for oil before the war. The Soviets under Stalin where shrewd they even got their mortal enemy to help them industrialize.
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>>533882227
according to Nazi propaganda, Stalin was just a puppet of Lazar Kaganovich, like FDR of Bernard Baruch & Co.
there is a grain of truth to this. Kaganovich was responsible for many of major Stalinist policies, such as the Moscow Metro and was indeed Stalin's right-hand man who never had to fear any punishment as they trusted each other, that Jew and that Georgian, like brothers from a different mother

Kaganovich ended up living to almost 100 and, funnily enough, got to witness the USSR collapse in total decay, poverty and misery. Oh, rest assured though, he was all comfy and secure himself up until the end, though
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>>533881797
>be history midwit
>"the USSR only won because of Lend-Lease trucks and spam"
>literally wrong
The Soviets literally picked up their entire industrial base, moved it behind the Urals while being invaded, and out-produced Germany by a landslide. Did the 400,000 Studebaker trucks help? Yeah, obviously. It turned the Red Army from a slow-moving mass into a motorized steamroller that ended the war in '45 instead of '47. But the idea that Uncle Sam "bought" the victory is a joke. The Soviets provided the 80% of German combat deaths and the 100k tanks. The US provided the logistics to make sure they didn't starve while doing it. Imagine thinking some canned meat and jeeps won the war when the T-34 was already mass-produced in the thousands. Stay mad.
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>>533882227
This was after the Great Purge, which I stipulated in my original post, that you didn't bother to read. AFTER the Great Purge when jewish NKVD officers killed hundreds of thousands of goyim, Stalin then purged jews from the NKVD replacing them with Russians and Georgians.

>>533882233
I meant more in the sense that when the USSR kicked the Americans who built the economy out of the country, they then owed the companies a debt of literally billions of dollars. FDR canceled that debt and then recognized the USSR in order to accept them into the League of Nations.
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>>533878244
>1pbtid memeflaggot ragebait
Y'all are paying a jeet every time you reply.
All fields.
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>>533882352
Hitler was a diletante. He spent the first evening of operation barbarossa having a movie marathon and munching popcorn like a stupid goy.

He was great at making hype speeches and influencing other, much more capable people, to work towards his aims. But he was a lazy fuck and from a beurocratic standpoint a god awful leader. One of the reasons Martin boreman got so much influence was Hitler was to lazy to even do his own paper work he just wanted to get high and play with his models.
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>>533882019
Every American intellectual loved stalin. Fdr viewed the ussr as a loyal satellite and stalin as his strong right hand. He was delusional of course. Stalin wasn't going to serve globohomo.

The only reason the Americans even got involved in a land invasion of Europe was because it looked like stalin was going to sweep the whole fucking thing. The world have been better off today if he had.

Nothing you said about American factories being replicated in the ussr makes any difference to my overall point.

When im pleasuring your wife in front of you for instance, I know you feel powerful because you invited me into your house, but its a cope. Shes coming on my dick and im still shooting my load in her, whether you invited me or not. Im in charge cuck. Not you sitting there watching in the corner.
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>>533882652
>>"the USSR only won because of Lend-Lease trucks and spam"

I never said or implied that it was solely due to Lend Lease. Lend Lease was a major factor however, but certainly not as big of a factor as say America building the USSR's economy in the 1930s, or the USSR having a far larger population and access to resources, the USSR not being blocked from naval trade, etc. That being said, if you try and imply Lend Lease wasn't of major importance to Russia winning, you're repeating decades old communist propaganda, which fits the fact you literally just posted a communist propaganda image.

> picked up their entire industrial base

The industrial base, built for them for free by the Americans.
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>>533878829
Holy shit that looks kino
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>>533882652
you can't move food production behind the Urals, retard. the Soviet breadbasket was Ukraine and that was taken over by the Germans
aside from that, Lend Lease was also critical (majority of the Soviet supply deriving from it) in other critical aspects, such as boots

you know that "Soviet" product called tushonka? it's actually American, from Lend-Lease
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>>533882791
>He spent the first evening of operation barbarossa having a movie marathon and munching popcorn like a stupid goy.
he only took over Wehrmacht, and thus the OKW, in December 1941, history-let
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>>533878244
Collaborator in the Judeo-Bolshevik revolution, gangster, murderer, ruthless tyrant.
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>>533882867
>Fdr viewed the ussr as a loyal satellite

pure delusion, FDR saw Stalin as a fellow partner in spreading liberalism around the world, which he was, and hoped Stalin could have even more power.

There were those in congress and administration who certainly wanted a check on Soviet power, but FDR was never one of those people

>cuck fantasies

the left's go to fetish. Why is that?
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>>533882939
>you can't move food production behind the Urals, retard. the Soviet breadbasket was Ukraine and that was taken over by the Germans
>aside from that, Lend Lease was also critical (majority of the Soviet supply deriving from it) in other critical aspects, such as boots
>you know that "Soviet" product called tushonka? it's actually American, from Lend-Lease
magine being this much of a butthurt Polack and still being wrong
The Soviets expanded grain production in Western Siberia and Kazakhstan by millions of hectares. It kept the Red Army from collapsing before the Lend-Lease calories actually started arriving in bulk in 1943.
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>>533883028
I didn't say anything about when he became commander and chief of the army. Way to declare yourself winner of an argument I wasn't having with you though bruh
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>533882791
>>533883028
also, he didnt do his own paper work but of course, and i doubt stalin was doing that either (though maybe only when he got more paranoid, idk)
but that wasnt out of laziness, he was pre-occupied with literally *everything else*
from domestic policy to foreign policy, from the war factory to the frontline. in that sense I admire him. just for comparison's sake... Trump could never get to that level. he's just not at the same intellectual level

keep in mind that the war was lost from the beginning, all the alternative history stories hinge on flukes that would've never happened in our universe, such as the US not joining the war.
it was lost from the beginning, he was fighting an uphill battle like Napoleon (his choice tho lel) where the covers were always too short somewhere. e.g. he could push more supplies for his troops to the frontline through rail but that would mean less ammunition, etc. etc.
and how about oil, of which there was never enough. and all the maneuvering he had to do with his "allied" states from minor interference to the decision of outright occupation (Hungary, Romania, Italy, etc.)
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>>533883291
>expanded grain production in Siberia and Kazakhstan
>by millions of hectares
>production
>by hectares
wew.
anyway, even Khrushchev couldn't succeed at that my guy LMFAO but go off, professor
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>>533883192
America doesn't have "partnerships" retard. What it calls "partnership" is in practice subservience. This is an observable fact.

Stalins USSR was not going to be subservient. The American realization of this was the beginning of the cold war.

Regarding the cuckoldry, im just trying to use an analogy that you, presumably as an American conservative or right winger, would understand and be familiar with.
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>>533882867
>Every American intellectual loved stalin.
lolwut? commies loved stalin, but actually even many commies were turned off from the CPUSA after the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact and CPUSA's unflinching loyalty to Stalin afterward left them with a bad taste
there was certainly no love for stalin among the monied elite
the average American (including college professors at the time) followed people like Father Coughlin, who were vehemently anti-communist to the point of decrying bolshevism as jewish
this is the ground on which the second red scare and mccarthyism were launched
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>>533878244
>Jew-slav that killed millions of Aryan-Germanic Christians
Gee, I wonder
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>>533884100
I said the cultural elite. Not a Populist catholic radio preacher or some businessmen. If you dont understand the difference then theres no conversation to be had.
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>>533884287
define the cultural elite. the cultural elite under the influence of the Catholic Church (literally) in the 1930s led to the Hays Code
in the 1940s you've got the second red scare and McCarthyism in full bloom
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>>533878244
Because he defeated their Fuhrer, the Zionist puppet Hitler.

Although at the end Stalin also agreed to the creation of Israel in 1948.
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>>533884470
Stalin and the Soviet top brass were Zionists in principle, whereby they used Zionism to send Jews into Israel, or the far east of Russia, with the idea of not only centralizing them, but of turning Israel into a pro-Soviet satellite state. In which case, they could use "anti-Semitism" to herd Jews where they wanted them rather than where others wanted them. The Soviets also sent millions of Jews into the West, primarily the US, with the idea of those Jews proceeding to naturally subvert and weaken the given countries.

The Soviets did not provide support for Israel out of love for Jews, but for influence that used Israel as a proxy amid the spectre of Soviet expansion in the Middle East, whereby they could present themselves as a bastion of resistance to the West, a convenient justification supporting that expansion, thus giving the Israelis what they needed was a win-win for the USSR in the Middle East. Being a false friend to the Arabs yet an ambivalent opponent of the Israelis was necessary, not that genuinely taking sides would have been good for them.

>the Zionist puppet Hitler.
Hitler wasn't a zionist, nor was he their "puppet".
That's the sort of "wisdom" you find on instagram and tiktok headlines.
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>>533884364
The cultural elite has power and maintains it via prestige and the official institutions, including the military. Fdr and anyone associated with him. New York times. Harvard.

The plebian elite has wealth and/or the ability to summon a mob. (Catholic demagogue, union bosses, people like Ford).

Its no diffent from optimates and plebians in ancient Rome.

Every member of the actual american elite were stalin sympathetic. Common working people and their leaders were not.
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>>533884656
In fact,
>The Soviet Union was the first country to grant full de jure (legal) recognition to Israel on May 17, 1948
IN FACT arms from Communist Czechoslovakia (which were crucial to Israel's victory against the Arabs in 1948), were shipped to Israel by Robert Maxwell (Ghislaine's father) under the aegis of the Soviet Union, in fact Maxwell served as the keystone Israeli-Soviet-UK connection

IN FACT early Israel was basically a socialist state and the kibbutzes are based on kolkhozes. after that it pursued a multi-vector policy of playing the Soviet Union and America off of each other
Stalin turned antisemitic after 1949 but didn't break off from Israel! The Soviet Union only started to break off from Israel after the Suez Crisis in 1956 (when, together with the US, they helped Israel out against Egypt and the dying, revanchist French and British Empires). Relationship got sour by the mid-1960s when Israel fully reoriented toward America, and was finally broken in 1967 with the Six-Day War and the Communist bloc launching the anti-Zionist campaign
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>>533884784
i agree with you about the jew york times, only saying it was more multifaceted
also jew york times had hardly the dominant position in the 1930s that it has (?) today
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>>533885123
You're mixing up two things again. You don't understand the difference between money and power. Or mass appeal and prestige.
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>>533885066
Don't need to tell me. I wrote a bit about stalin here:

Israel basically shifted to the US because they wanted all the "capitalists" goodies, and the USSR had already sent a shit ton of kikes into the US who went on to set up the neocon ideology/managerial policy.
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>>533885898
here:
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