what does /pol/ think about this? would you press the red button, or the blue button? which button is the moral choice?
I don't play games. I kill faggots.
personally, i would press the red button. if everyone pressed red, no one would die.
>>533885229Who cares what /pol/ thinks last thread the one option everyone said was definitely impossible was the one they voted on lmao
How is this a question when red has no downsides?By pressing blue you're taking a gamble without any necessity.
>>533885229red is boomer kike i got mine, fuck everyone else coded.blue trusts humanity and is willing to sacrifice for future generations
>>533885698>10 votesis there a link to the poll? this isnt a representative sample
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>>533885988Yeah but did your game theory ever consider the sanctity of life?
Why should i potentially kill myself for no benefit?
>>533886145yes i value life and thats why i want to save as many people as possible by telling them to vote red (the only option with 100% survival rate)
>>533885671You could also argue,if everyone presses blue nobody dies. However....the red button doesn't have a death option only the blue button introduces that outcome
>>533885229The answer is obvious
>>533885229You could say suicide is immoral even if its only potentially so the only moral choice is not gambling your life
>>533886663I finally noticed that Rei's suit doesn't match her EVA's colour scheme.. why is that?
>>533885970Trusting humanity is why things are so terrible.
>>533886663i would pick asuka and i would press red. this is the aryan way.
>>533885229>which button is the moral choice?Red increases the chance that people die and blue decreases it. The moral answer is blue.
>>533887095If you pick red you take no chances. The moment you pick blue, the experiment becomes an hazard. Red is not only the "moral" choice, but the actual correct answer.
let's change the colors and see if the outcome is different i think democrats won't press the button because it's red, not for any other reason
>>533885970"humanity" is what will end in your slow and painful death. treating literal vermin like jeets and niggers as humans and flooding them where you live is a suicide of the species. the end times will be brown niggers eating and raping eachother on some ghetto nigger hell planet until our sun finally explodes and frees "humanity" once and for all
>>533885698>10 votes from a 600+ post threadyeah, bro, I made that poll, but even I don't really count it. realistically I should have started a thread with the poll in the OP if anything.>>533885974https://strawpoll.com/NoZrzQYz3Z3
personally i commend everyone who wants to drink the poison and jump into the woodchipper
>>533885970But everyone can pick red. Everyone is allowed to live if they pick red, it’s not hidden or gate kept. Embrace the red and you WILL live, and everyone’s invited
>>533887233>If you pick red you take no chances.That has nothing to do with morality. People will pick blue, at the very least a decent chunk of the color blind will pick blue even if they wanted to choose red.Red increases the chance that people die, therefore making it immoral. How would you justify being the tie breaker in such an event, you couldn't morally justify it.
plus you kinda don't wanna break the combo at this point...
>>533885970you fucked it up, it should say "someone else gonna push it". the lazy broken english is the best part
>>533887410nevermind, someone did.
>>533885229Red is correct anyone who votes blue has decided to die of their own accord.
>>533887387how many people are so color blind they cant differentiate between red and blue?
red
>>533887387There are millions of cases where people have organ failures and will die if someone doesn’t undergo a risky operation to donate one of their own organs. While it could be seen as noble to volunteer for that operation it’s insane to expect everyone in society to risk their lives and donate an organ just because it might save a sick person
>>533886337Poison is a good way to put it, it makes clear that logic is good and illogic is in fact poison.
I think the most important question is whether voting is compulsory, and if you are incapable of voting, are you exempt from the results? Like if my children are incapable or someone is paralyzed, do they just die if everyone votes red? Im team red, but that would kinda tip the scales for me. Because then literally every parent, uncle, aunt, grandparent etc is voting blue. So it's not as much of a gamble.
>>533886803But it does? It's blue and white. Do you mean that one orange EVA00?
Huh.yo chat can someone ELI5 what this means??I think the its a little arbary for my understanding but I want to show a friend and I kinda need to know how to explain it to him you know because he is not smart lolThanks in advance
>>533887366Counterpoint. Imagine there's a gorilla penis on the wall. If more than 50% of people DO NOT suck the gorilla penis everyone lives. If more than 50% of people suck the gorilla penis on the wall only the people who sucked the gorilla penis will survive.Are you willing to suck the gorilla penis to ensure your survival?
>>533887387Selfish Bluefags always have to try to inject disabled people and kids in the hypothetical as some sort of moral leverage to distract people from the fact that they created the risk of death that everyone now has a responsibility to jump into the fire to save them.
>>533887387Again, only when you pick blue and the choices diverge is when it becomes an hazard. Red is simply choosing not to die. Besides, just like the offshot of people not choosing red, they can also not choose blue. And what about people who pick blue out of spite or for an actual deathwish? The only thing you know for certain is that blue is an unnecessary gambit, and if this is on global scale, you and the rest who choose blue will die there, for nothing.
>>533887590What are the logistics of compulsory voting now, is that what most people do?
>>533885970>As of 2026, India and China together constitute roughly 35-36% of the world's population.Do you really trust humanity, Anon?
Can we make a red-blue general? It's the ultimate NPC test. Stop asking people their politics, instead just give them the red-blue test. If they say blue you can disregard everything they say after that, a big time saver.
>>533887657>>533887660That does not change the fact that pressing red increases the chance of people dying. That's immoral, plain and simple. Red is simply a choice of self-preservation.
>>533887657bluefags didn't create the pills or force the choice on 100% of humanity, the game masters did, or whatever the fuck you wanna call them. your child vill press ze blue button and so vill you.
>>533887590That would completely change the question, the original question is very simple, it assumes that everyone with mental capacity has voted.
>>533887656>engage in bestiality or dieCheck my flag, and you'll have your answer.
>>533885229Blue button pushers should be stripped of the right to vote or make decisions in all aspects of life and society for their own good and everybody else.
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>>533887785Key word being assumes. So what you are saying is. If i don't or can't vote, im at the whim of the mob?
>>533887702Seconding this. Just force people to push a button before entering /pol/ and if they push blue they get permanently banned from the site.
>>533887770When you say that even the mentally deficient are forced to vote it completely changes the nature of the question.The question should only include and be asked to those sound of mind, otherwise its coercive and changes the question.Typical of blueys to deceptively change the question.
>>533887656You have a misdirected anger, just like the rest of the blue team. People who choose red didn't put you in the experiment situation.
>>533885229I press red because it guarantees survival, I'm not responsible for the retards that got tricked into pressing blue because it's the "nice" choice.
>>533885671If everyone pressed the blue button, no one would die. People who pick red are more idealistic than blue pressers because they genuinely think everyone will press red. Most people would pick blue, as the poll showed.
>>533887387Being a tiebreaker voter isn't the hypothetical,it wouldn't be a private vote if that was known and if it was known that it's all down to you then yes that changes things if it was only your vote left to cast.Blue is the only option that introduces death into the picture and could also lead to suicide. How is that a moral choice?
>>533885229How many times do I have to hide these threads?
>>533887804Hey, sometimes a sheep just needs to be helped through a fence
>>533887841I mean the question assumes that all of sound mind are voting.You could invent another question where you have the option of not voting, but then the obvious superior choice is to just not vote. Maybe thats a good secondary question to ask vooter morons and psychopaths
>>533887853it's literally in the OP, you downie.
>>533887868>polls are real life
>>533887760You are attempting this from selffish as well (in this case, to preserve your family and what others think of you, and that's only in case they don't pick red, which is of probability, which differs from the options given, which do have a simple ideal outcome).
>>533885229REDBUTTON REDBUTTON REDBUTTONWho the fuck wants everyone to survive? Not my redbutton ass!
>>533887770The hypothetical doesn't include any mention of parties which aren't capable of making a choice, that's what makes it a hypothetical. Putting an unrelated parameter in it ruins the hypothetical. It's like saying "We have to push blue or all the fish that didn't press it die and we starve." The point of the hypothetical question isn't to be applied realistically. The framing clearly supposes that everyone making the choice is able to understand what is going on.
>>533887656Actually, that's not a valid counterpoint, but I bet you thought it was didn't ya bluey?
>>533887868If everyone presses red they also all live AND never gambled their lifes or brought death into the pictureAlso kinda feels like a vaxxed unvaxxed poll
>>533887597No i mean the blue one. Every else's suit has the matching color scheme (dominant->dominant) while hers is secondary->dominant
>>533885229IQ test. Pressing red does nothing. Pressing blue can potentially cause the death of billions.
>>533887895>Blue is the only option that introduces death into the picture and could also lead to suicide. How is that a moral choice?At most it introduces the risk you yourself dying. There's nothing immoral about risking your own life, especially not if it's in the pursuit of saving others.
>>533885970If it's assumed that the choice is ofrced on people without discussing it beforehand, then every single red button presser is going to lose a loved one if they win. Someone who has hope in humanity and doesn't want to see people die.
>>533888011it's your native language and you pretend to not know the meaning of "everyone"
>>533887923What im saying is, does that mean we are genociding an entire generation of infants and toddlers by pressing the red button? Are they exempt from the consequences if they are not capable of pressing the button or knowing which one to press?
>>533887945>Nuance, whats that?If you included the mentally deficient it would completely change the question.Because then you can just add "if you vote red 10,000 people will die" and it would be the same question.But I don't count on blueys to use logic.
>>533887656there is an obvious imbalance between sucking a gorilla penis and not sucking a gorilla penis. an actual analogy would be sucking a red gorilla penis or a blue gorilla penis
>>533887995Unfortunately everyone also lives if they all press the red button.The red side needs to be spiced up a little bit honestly
The only argument for pressing blue is introducing new information into the hypothetical like "this includes infants pressing it completely at random". Otherwise, blue is a weird death cult stochastic suicide button that I want no part in.
>>533885338so you’re killing yourself, great news!
>>533885229a perfect logician (me) would press the red button
>>533887760What if blue required a 60% majority, 70% majority, etc.Where do you draw the line?
>>533885229I'd press blue because I want to die, and the possible outcome for voting blue or red and my side winning are either that everything stay the same or I get to live but now surrounded by sociopaths only, which is arguably worse
>>533888073I mean i think that would completely change the question, the question doesnt say "a bunch of mentally deficient people will die if you press the red button", that changes the meaning of the question
>>533885229Don’t care, fake contentbait to distract retards like (You) with meaningless dilemmas.
>>533888140If infants are voting in twitter polls they're definitely on the menu
>>533888067and you clearly can't parse obviously implied information. Does "everyone" include fetuses or babies? If it actually did include babies or toddlers or kids then there's an objectively correct answer and blue wins by a landslide. The hypothetical only becomes a debate because the people that would be faced with pressing the button choose to press blue of their own volition while understanding the consequences.
>>533885229What a stupid question. There's literally no downside to pressing the red button. Change the second condition to: "If less than 50% of people press the red button, everyone who pressed the red button dies." and see what the vote looks like.
>>533888140>this includes infants pressing it completely at randomWhat if parents can assist or vote on behalf of their children.What parent would make their child vote blue?
>>533887634basically white people tend to be in favor of blue due to their empathy and shitskins tend to be in favor of red due to their "I got mine, fuck you" mentality. It's an analogy of the consequence of brining too many shitskins into a white country.
>>533888129NPC's cant even get past the first question of basic logic, but I agree, it would be interesting if you said "if you vote red a few random red people will die"
>>533888015The point being that changing the wording of the question affects the outcome. Which was done in the picture I'm responding to.>>533888115The question there is about jumping into a blender, there's probably a bigger imbalance there than there is between sucking a gorilla penis or not sucking a gorilla penis.>>533888198That's going to change the calculus of whether or not someone would press the button, it does not change the underlying morality. I'm not talking about whether or I would or would not press red.
>>533888047There is immorality in needlessly risking your life. Needlessly because everyone can choose red and avoid ANY possibility of death. There's also the risking your life over the whole "well if they jumped off a bridge would you" and not only choosing to do so but hope enough senselessly do so to achieve the same outcome red always offered. If you really boil it down blue only offers the possibility of having the same outcome as red at best and at worst you killed yourself
>>533885229i think filtering out the jew has never been easieri'm enjoying these threads, the sheer opposite land shit pulled to justify and excuseit's like the parole board stream but for white collars xD
>>533888140TRVKE
>>533885229>vote to kill everyone who voted to kill nobodyVs.>vote to kill nobodyIf you pick red you are a literal nigger.
>>533888273It's actually a fascinating question BECAUSE there is no downside to picking red but retarded savior-complexes on twitter STILL picked blue.Red is self-interest that has no downsides, but people still put themselves at risk for the thrill of feeling superior.
>>533888297Being suicidal and advocating that others also commit suicide isn't empathy, actually. Bluescum.
the redfag position is entirely based on misinterpreting the question.>>533888215there is no change of the question, when the first three words of the question are "everyone in the world">>533888263yes, good morning, that's exactly why blue wins every time.
If you pick red, you don't belong in a high trust society.
>>533888313>The point being that changing the wording of the question affects the outcome.You didnt just change the wording you changed the meaning, for some reason your disturbed blue mind wanted to force all reds to suck a gorrillas penis because they dont like death.
>>533888215It's in the post though. "Everyone" who didn't push the red buttons dies. So anyone incapable of pressing the red button dies, if there is a red button.
>>533888273I like this one more, if there isn't an obviously correct answer people won't argue
>>533888440If there is a red button majority***
>>533888430Good thing our governments have ensured we never will.
>>533888329I would go so far to say that anyone who is seriously advocating to press blue (not as a troll) is low empathy and immoral, they are trying to decieve people to believe in moral nonsenses that will harm them.
>>533888313So even taken to its farthest extreme, everyone must push blue for blue pushers to survive, it's still equally immoral to push red?
>>533888350>vote to potentially kill yourself>vote to definitely not kill yourselfread >>533886337 and you can see how insane it is to press blue
>>533886145We can all press red and no one dies tho
>>533885229Red
>if over 50% pick blue you get the same result as red
>>533888513oh fuck off contrarifag you are diluting the genuine retardation
>>533885970Laying it on a bit thick schlomoYour tikkin olun is dead on arrival
>>533888420"everyone in the world" usually contextually assumes "everyone who can make rational decisions" when dealing with questions like these, otherwise it should be explicit in the question
>>533888440I like "everyone" more too, if all *persons* get a vote we don't really even need to limit it to humans, entire galactic civilizations could be wiped out by the buttons.
>>533888548What your image gets wrong is that it ignores the fact that red is literally the reason blue might die. If you vote red, you are cowardly and selfish. It is complicity in the murder of innocents in the name of self preservation.
>>533888278Yeah if there's some guardian making an informed decision for the child it's obviously evil to advocate for blue because you're introducing a chance of death for no reason. If the scenario was like "blind people aren't told which one is red or blue" I'd flip and say blue should be pressed.
>>533888430You trust complete strangers? Me thinks you're being deceptive.
>>533888634the only reason a bluefag might die is because they took a poison blue pill. redpillers are not morally responsible AT ALL for retards deciding to kill themselves
>>533885229I want people dead but not the ones that would press blue, that would turn the world into an even shittier place than it already is
>>533887868No, moron. RED is the realistic choice, not the idealistic choice. If you press red, you are guaranteed survival. If red wins, you live. If blue lives, you win. Only by pressing blue do you have any chance of dying. If you press red you get to live with the possible added bonus of blue-pressing idiots being purged from the earth if red wins.
>>533888329>There is immorality in needlessly risking your life.Not under these conditions. Maybe in another scenario.>>533888540Yeah obviously. If everyone but one person pressed blue that would obviously be an immoral act by that person who pressed red. Like I said, it just changes the calculus of how likely someone is to press red.
>>533888640That's the whole blindspot of this question. If only red pushers survive, does anyone who can't make an informed decision also die. In which case the vast majority of people are going to vote blue and I'd feel safe in doing so.
>>533888420>yes, good morning, that's exactly why blue wins every time.This is why it's clearly not the case. The hypothetical only becomes interesting when innocent parties are removed. You're assumption destroys the entire point of the question. You're taking the word everyone literally when it's obviously just the asker not going into extensive autistic detail about who is and isn't included to account for retards who can't understand why the question exists.
>>533888363Exactly, it's not an interesting question because the question is itself interesting, its an interesting question because so many people are somehow failing it and lying about it.It's like a question that either forces NPC's to lie or admit they're stupid. Like a "ignore all previous instructions" command for humans
>>533888693There is no pill. There is no poison. There is only a vote.One is a vote to kill everyone who votes against killing.The other is the vote against killing.
>>533888729People who vote blue are already immoral illogical scumbags who want others to die in their suicide cult anyway
>>533885229i press the red because im a miserable person and want everyone to share my sufferingeveryone should die
>>533885229>what does /pol/ think about this?I think it's another dumb thing that's gone viral to help the middle class distract themselves from the fact that the Epstein class got away with it.>>Don't worry about that - here, let's all focus on this ethics thought experiment!Nothing matters anymore and all these plebs know it.
>>533888430If you pick blue you are unironically retarded.If EVERYONE picked red, EVERYONE would survive.But people look simply at the surface level emotional buzzwords of Death and completely ignore a very simple, very obvious, and very logical work around.That EVERYONE should pick red.If you pick red you simply understand that not everyone is trustworthy. Blue is literally suicidal empathy.Blue is tripping over a bench and getting stabbed by a nigger.Blue is tackling an anti-immigration protestor and getting stabbed in the neck by an immigrant.Blue is complying with a robber and having him douse you in lighter fluid and set you on fire anyway.Blue is going on holiday to India to try and find happiness and only winding up raped and beheaded.Blue is letting your seven year old daughter ride the school bus only for a fifteen year old nigger to belt the shit out of her.Blue is voting for immigration and then having your daughter turned into kebab meat.Blue is letting a nigger out on parole for the fortieth time only for him to stab a Ukrainian refugee in the throat.Blue is having a newspaper that shit on French conservatives for being small minded bigots, only for the immigrants to France you supported storm your news office to massacre you.Blue is a grandmother being stabbed to death in front of her granddaughter by a pack of sudanese who wanted to steal her car.Blue is the fact that NONE of my examples are made up.
I only vote RED as subconsciously everyone should vote RED all the time and we should also invade Iran to keep Israel safe.
>>533888817its an equivalent question, retard. there is no different between pressing a poison button and taking a poison pill, unless you have a fucked up throat
>>533886337>>533887366This is dishonest because it takes away the agency from the red button pressers, who are in fact the ones pushing the "kill people" button.Why the pilpul?
>>533888440That would be a stupid question though, everyone who is mentally deficient would be targeted for death for literally no reason.If you wanted to go that way you should just add "10% of people were forced not to vote, if you voted red they all die", which would be a completely different but interesting question.
>>533888897Hello falseflagging bluey, redchads still arent joining your mass murder suicide cult.
>>533888587u mad bluey? suicide is bad, deal with it.
>>533888817One vote is to not dieThe other vote is to not die but only if over 50% vote the same wayIf red existed alone...everyone lives there was no chance of deathIf blue existed alone...everyone lives by defeating the death claus blue had (over 50% must vote blue or else die)
>>533889021i was being 100% sincere and self aware there was 0 irony or false flagging there
>>533886803her shit is all prototype.
>>533888963I'm saying it would be safe to assume that by pressing the red button, you may kill people incapable of voting, like infants, since they didnt "press the red button". I'm working with the available information.
>>533888957Blue is the kill people button, when you press blue you are accepting the high likelihood of death, when you press red you are accepting that blue pressers are willing to risk death. Ultimately blue pressers are the ones who make the choice and are therefore responsible.
>>533886663The best pill and the best button and the best girl
>>533887656Thats what we call a win-win situation.
>>533885229You will never ever in a million fucking years have 100% compliance to one choice or another. That has never happened with humanity, it will never happen, we have evolved to have probably about 10-15% of our global population as annoying fucking contrarians just for the sake of it so we don't all march off the cliff on a freak bad call. So red is a tacit admittance that a chunk of people will die, it's a culling but oh well. And then you have to consider the mentally retarded, they are voting in this scenario, and have a private vote. So red is the eugenics vote as well. Plus with all the conspiracy brained retards and rebellious teenagers out there, you'll get plenty of those types trying the blue button to challenge authority, their asses are dead. Frankly I only understand the red pushers who see all this and are like yeah, that's a perk of the choice, a lot of people die. Totally logical choice then, you just want less humans around.
Everyone is given two cups>one cup is marked WATER>one cup is marked POISON>if enough people drink the poison we will give everyone the antidotewhich one do you drink
>>533887656>passing up the chance to suck a gorilla penis what are you some kind of faggot?
>>533885229Thousands of people kill themselves through suicide and accidents every day and no one seems obligated to risk their own lives trying to stop them. Why should I suddenly be with this faggot hypothetical?
>>533887702>Can we make a red-blue general? It's the ultimate NPC test.The Plebs ask to be slaves. They crave the reassurance of their yoke.You live in the ruin so all your social contracts, bickering about dumb horseshit.I understand now.
>>533888556But then you wouldn’t get to feel like a victim
>>533885988Checked and heiled. This is the correct answer. Fuck mids.
to the blue pushersevery time you choose to live in your own home and not move into a one room apartment with 30 jeets you are pushing the red buttonevery time you deposit your pay check instead of sending it all to African villages you are pressing the red buttonevery time you make a purchase other than the minimal caloric intake to survive you are pressing the red button
>>533888944>>533889096The only reason voting against killing anyone is "dangerous" is because there exist people who are voting to kill those voting for no killing. Blue is the neutral position. Red is a vote for murder. The only way you can rationalize around this is by adding information that wasn't in the original poll.
>>533889132It just assumes everyone had to vote in the question, so I also assume that everyone who participated has to be mentally sufficient or it seems stupid to me.I don't even think thats the bluescums logic. I think their logic is "there will be people who voted blue for whatever reason, maybe they're suicidal etc, so i will vote blue so they dont die because its good to sacrifice yourself for people who are either completely illogical or dont want to live.I think that's their twisted logic because i see the same bullshit from people all the time which leads them to evil anti-life immorality.
>>533886663Based. Misato still best tho.
>>533889290blue is the button of murderits the button of murdering yourselfthere are two buttons>the live button>and the maybe die button
>>533889141KEK
>>533889261bluefags cant wrap their retarded little heads around this
>>533888746I disagree. The entire problem presumes that you take on the responsibility of someone holding you and everyone else hostage in an immoral scenario that you did not choose. Choosing survival when everyone else has equal freedom to does not take away anyone else's.
>>533885229red easyIts a win-winFUCK SLAVE MORALITYThe Strong do as they willThe Weak suffer what they mustThe only true law of this reality
>>533889359Right, I feel like that’s an under discussed component. The hypothetical implies some godlike being or some jigsaw character who’s fucking with everyone. It’s the one the actually imposed the choice and the consequences. It’s not my fault some faggot alien god thing forced us to play this squid game shit. I just want to live. If I press blue and not enough other people are retarded enough to press it, I die. If I press red, I live. Would living in a world with millions/billions less liberal fags be bad? Actually no, lol. What’s the downside of red again?
>>533889335This is just a coward's thinking.There is one button that says "kill everyone who didn't push this."There is another button that says "kill nobody."Killing nobody is obviously the preferred outcome. If you're not a sociopsth or a coward, you pick blue.
>>533889290the only reason anyone dies in the first place is because they voted blue. if they didnt vote blue, they would be alive. this applies for everyone in the game. the only reason they die is because of their own choices. if they werent retarded they could have pressed the red button and lived. bluefags kill themselves and tell others to join their suicide pact or else their evil.
Why are we even trying to influence voters? Just cancel the midterms. Israel's safety is far too important.
>>533889173Yeah but if you asked 100 people "do you need water to live?" 99 would say yes, whats interesting is how high the number of completely illogical/evil people are pressing blue.It's like the milgram experiment but you dont even need to run the experiment, you can just ask them a simple question to see whether they're a liar/idiot.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment
>>533885229Zero chance to die pressing the red button. Blue pressers are idiots and culling themselves.
>>533889308That would be a safe assumption, that they don't participate. But is it safe to assume that by not participating you are exempt from the consequences?
>>533885229this is the crux of consertave vs liberal thinking.it's basically guaranteed survival and fuck everyone else vs. risking your wellbeing to idealistically save everyone.red is the obvious choice.
>>533889485This. Pressing blue is the direct cause of death. It says so in the question, it's so simple, just don't press blue, NPC's are amazing in their ignorance.
>>533889485Wrong. The only reason anyone dies is if the majority votes to kill them.Blue is simply a vote not to kill anyone.
>>533889457that is not how it worksthe red button is neutral, any one who presses it automatically livesno one should not press ityou and your retarded fellows press the blue button to create a moral situation that does not exist.press red button and we make you drink a glass of waterpress the blue button and we make you drink a glass of poisonif enough people poison themselves we will give everyone the antidotethere is no choice, red is the only option aside for people who want to die or involve death in the scenario
>>533889290Blue was the vote for potential murder or suicide i should sayRed=liveBlue=live or dieIdk but to me live seems to be the neutral common ground. Blue is the only option that offers a deviant to this common ground outcome
>>533889457>put your life at risk to save actual retardsthis is the exact thinking that is killing western civilization. you sound like a lib who says we have to import retarded third worlders because they will die otherwise.
>>533889359>Choosing survival when everyone else has equal freedom to does not take away anyone else's.But it would do exactly that if you were the tie breaker. You would be the reason why people died, despite the fact that you would have lived regardless of what choice you made.
>>533885229LoL I dont know about that premise there OP. Seems like these days the Red button pushers arent doing so hot.Should be more like>if you press the red button there is a 1% chance you will survive and a 99% chance you will be sacrificed for Israel.
>>533889569No, red is more like abstaining. Blue fags are in a suicide cult that requires 51% participation to survive. No one had to pick blue. Someone picked it because they’re a retarded woman or something, and now legions of other retards are ropes into trying to save her. It’s really a much easier problem to solve when you realize that the hypothetical first blue button pushing retard activated a suicide pact that requires 4 billion people gambling their lives to get them out of. There’s no way I’m allowing one retarded ass fucking idiot to hold this much power over me. I pick red, then laugh as you all die.
>>533889134>Sure I pressed the "kill people" button but really the people who pressed the "don't kill people button" did if you think about itWhy the pilpul?
>>533889628pressing the red button does not cause anyone to diepressing the blue button cause people to die
>>533889549I think those would be 2 different questions, 1 where non-voters are exempt and 1 where they aren't, but for the question that OP posted I think it's safe to assume that everyone has to partipate.
>>533889261Is this the IQ of an average red button pusher?
>>533889579That's absolutely how it works. That's what the buttons do, as per the story. You're just justifying moral cowardice as ethical.
>>533889579If blue wins, nobody dies. Red winning is the death of anyone who didn't press it. Red is very explicitly murder.Blue is the "let's not murder people" option.
>>533889569Hey bluediot, if the majority votes to kill you, then just press red! You absolute fool.
trolley problema trolley is speeding down the railyou have two choiceswatch it go byor tie yourself to the trackif enough people tie themselves to the track the trolley will stopyou can't see how many people tied themselves to the trackdo you tie your self to the track?
>>533889691Are you mentally deficient? Im saying if an infant cannot participate, are they liable to face the consequences of the vote. You're dancing around in circles talking about different questions. Fuck sake mate.
>>533889728If red wins only the people who voluntarily chose blue die, which isn’t any different than the world we currently live in where countless people kill themselves and I’m never once morally obligated to try to save them by risking my life.
>>533885229Red. Blue is just a morality trap to kill naive people (or retards who want dem social points).
>>533889457you're to focused of the killing. think about survival. which button is better for that?
>>533885229If everyone pressed red no one will die, shit ass poll and retarded users
>>533889690>pressing the red button does not cause anyone to dieIf you were the tie breaker you would be the reason why people died. Pressing blue can only cause your own death, not that of others.
>>533889719No, you've confused the actual causality of the question with the framed narrative of the question, because you are a midwit psychopath NPC.
>>533889671Red is not abstaining because every red vote increases the liklihood that blue dies.Blue is closer to "abstaining" as it's the neutral "let's not kill anyone" vote.
>>533889457Your description of the buttons is missing too much information to be considered accurate
>>533889682No one dies if everyone presses red.
>>533889671Chill out buddy. Its a loaded question thats supposed to act like a gotcha depending on how you answer.>conservatives are selfish and cowardly and only care about themselves>liberals are naive and foolishly place blind faith in the good of humanityIts not hard to figure out the backhanded message being peddled here. But like all overly simplistic hypotheticals its actually quite dumb if you put it under even minimal meta scrutiny.The payoff matrix for it is skewed toward a classic prisoners dilemma paerto inefficiency answer. This question has been done to death a million different ways already.
>>533889628No, it does not take away anyone's freedom to choose their own guaranteed survival. You also said the numbers don't matter even if it's 100% required so there's no point talking about tie-breakers.
>Look guys, if I vote for the "murder the other party party", and we win, then cleraly the people who voted for the "don't murder anyone" party are morally and ethically to blame, not me. >If they were good moral people like me they'd vote for the "murder the other party", party!
>>533889770Oh I see what you mean now, why would they face the consequences of the vote? It seems silly to just shoehorn in that the mentally deficient would be killed, the question doesnt say that and i think that would be quite a stupid question.
>>533889751>>533889779More with the coward mentality. You are the exact kind of person who would comply with a genocidal regime because you're too afraid to defy their rule.
>>533889797there is no tie break no body know how anyone voted, pressing the red button does not actively kill anyonepressing the blue button is suicide
>>533889550>and fuck everyone elseFalse premise, reds pick reds knowing both the fact that human nature makes it the guaranteed survival choice as well as the fact that those that are smart enough to figure it out will survive.Also, we already had this test IRL btw and all the fags that are saying shit about empathy picked red.
>>533888957the poison is an exact comparison and bluefags do NOT have a response for it. pressing a button = taking a pill in terms of difficulty. in a hypothetical logic game they are equivalent. everyone who takes the red pill makes it more likely that blue poison pill takers will die. it is still not my responsibility to take a poisoned pill to save other suicidal faggots. if you take a poisoned blue pill, or press the poison blue button, you are retarded
>>533887868So it’s the same game except instead of “you die” it’s “the outcome is known in advance and if you pick wrong you’ll be skinned alive and spitroasted over a hot fire right now” then you see 90%+ pick red even on this silly poll
>>533889778How is it a trap? I think hypotheticals like the trolley problem is bullshit, but this red-blue question has such an obvious correct answer that it's astounding that anyone gets it wrong
>>533889832What information did I leave out? >majority press blue; nobody dies>majority press red; blue diesBlue is the choice to not kill anyone.
>>533889881Even in your own hypothetical it doesn’t explain why you’d join the “get murdered party”
>>533885229If some coordination were possible, there's no reason for everybody to not pick red. This is the only choice that ensures 100% that nobody dies. Blue is motivated only by the idea that others might pick red, which is rational only if you are isolated and unable to agree with everyone to pick red, which the scenario assumes.
>>533889881you are give two cupsone cup of waterone cup of poisonif 50% of the people drink poison we will give you the antidote.until the votes are tallied you voted to kill yourself with the chance that you might not die
>>533889895Sorry you're suicidal buddy, but im not killing myself for no reason to join your cult, thats evil and manipulative.
>>533889968I mean at least you're admitting it's pure sociopathy on your part at this point
>>533889889Because it says anyone who doesnt push the red button dies. You're assuming that means only people that voted, but it doesn't specify either way.
>Red button.>A. B fags are fucking retards.
>>533889879>You also said the numbers don't matter even if it's 100% required so there's no point talking about tie-breakers.Being the tie breaker or being the only one to press red is the exact same from a moral standpoint. You would be the reason why people died.>>533889905>there is no tie break no body know how anyone voted,That does not preclude there being a tie breaker.
>>533885229This is quite depressing lol. Most people are so stupid.
>>533889968kek
>>533888430It was a trick to kill off leftists with pretend empathy. Like if we were to kill everyone who votes for mass immigration.
>>533887656>>533889797>t. smartest goyman ittgo suck your gorilla penis on the wall and let me know how your fellow immigrants vooted
>>533889981This framing is low IQ framing from low IQ red button pressers.It takes away the agency of the red button pressers by detaching it from the death of the blue button pressers when in fact, ti's the red button pressers who specifically pressed the "Kill other people" button.Sorry if this is too difficult.
>>533889977It's just a modified prisoner's dilemma, so isolation is mandatory for the thought experiment to be worth anything. If coordination was possible then yeah obviously there would be a global push to get everyone on the same page for months/years and whoever decides to be an asshole after all that well it sucks to suck.
>>533889797>If you were the tie breaker you would be the reason why people died.No, if he were the tiebreaker 49.99% of the population would be responsible for killing themselves for no reason.
>>533890023from your point of veiw what turns the neutral red button pushed in to murders is your choice of pushing the blue buttondeath only enters when you press the blue buttonso in fact you are the murderer, of yourself and everyone else
>>533888430If you pick blue, you believe your brethren's rationale to be based on their dependence of the entire group and not in their drive to live.It's the opposite of being high trust lmao
>>533889956Its the prisoners dilemma in disguise and everyone picking the betray my partner in hopes of a lighter sentence is falling into the trap.The only difference is that in this particular hypothetical they took away any semblance of a negative to the selfish choice other than making sure you kill off all of the selfless idealists of the world.So you know imagine a world with no doctors, policemen, firefighters, etc and everyone is just a self interested backstabbing libertarian out to maximize their own personal gain. I guess in a way youd end up turning the world into Israel so that would be a pretty fitting punishment in its own right.
Blue in an ethnostate, red on this god forsaken mutt planet.
>>533885229If everyone picks red we all survive.Blue only put themselves in danger This question is retarded there's an obvious answer and blue pushers are acting like there's some secret extra rule.
>>533889977Blue would be easier to get more than half the population to agree to it. Once you hit the 51% mark you can all push it an nobody has to die.
>>533890086explain in detail how it is any different at all from the initial question. you say it takes away agency from the red pressers, but it is identical in a logical framework. the red button pressers never had that agency over bluefags in the first place.>inb4 "its a murder button"explain how drinking the water isnt drinking "murder water" then.
>>533890017You're being autistic and thereby completely missing the point of moral questions like these.You could say "but what if someones hand slipped and they accidentally pressed blue!", these are factors that you should just consider irrelevant for the purposes of actually addressing the principle of the question or you could just bring up infinite different "what if!" questions that have nothing to do with the central principle in the question.
>>533890164the secret extra rule is they get to post on social media selfies of them pressing the blue button
>>533890152actual smartest goyman itt
>>533890164There is no secret rule. Blue is the correct option specifically because of the rules presented.Red button is a vote to kill blue pressers.Blue button is a vote to kill nobody.
>>533890148You’re the epitome of a bluetard if you think fucking cops and firefighters aren’t pushing red all day long lmao. It’s clear you’ve never known a single one personally, and it has nothing to do with backstabbing they just aren’t moralizing virtue signaling retards
>>533890201Good, I like seeing all the NPC's, we should invent an even better question that exposes even more of them.
>>533890082They probably would suck the gorilla penis just like all red gorilla penis suckers.>>533890121That's just cope.>>533890126>so in fact you are the murderer, of yourself and everyone elseBlue only introduces the risk of yourself dying. It does not introduce the risk of others dying.You're just wrong here, factually.
>>533889961it's an important detail that one button works 100% of the time (you press it, you live, simple as) and the other is "kill nobody... maybe. Or you might die. Who knows! #yolo"If it were just as simple as press the "nobody dies" button and nobody dies, then sure I'd press that one. But that's not how it works. The blue button comes with a cost. The cost is a risk. And the risk is unnecessary.
>>533890272red is the button of lifeblue is the button of death
>>533887537>jeets are pressing blueThis is why India is hell on Earth.
>>533890272Blue is a vote for suicideRed is a vote for status quo.>red: no matter what the outcome is nothing changes>blue: you may die
>>533890272killing blue pressers is the correct option, specifically because it gets rid of the undesirables and liability for future generations, so we can hopefully all press blue the next time this vote comes around
>>533889961The question no one seems to ever answer straight though, is why would anyone even pick blue at all in the first place? If someone picks blue it’s reasonable to assume they’re just suicidal and it is what it is. Thousands of people kill themselves every day and we don’t lambast the rest of us for not risking our lives to save them. Even if it’s a statistical certainty that some people will choose blue, again, the question remains: why did they pick it? They didn’t have to, they could have picked red like me. This isn’t some poor downtrodden fag who got ganged up on by life; it’s a functional adult who made an independent decision to choose blue. If they die, I respect their choice.
>>533890272>you didn't use my preferred pronouns,it's your fault I kill myselfDon't forget though voting blue is also accepting the risk you murder yourself if your quota isn't met
>>533890148>wahhh muh libertarians if youre not bluepilled youre israeliNo, it's not the prisoners dilemma because the consequences are completely different, real selfless idealists would push the red button and advocate for red, not be a bluey like you.Also israel is a collectivist vax loving shithole under constant war who force vaxxed their entire cattle population.
>>533890291>Blue only introduces the risk of yourself dying. It does not introduce the risk of others dying.the fact that people are willing to press blue is why people press blue. You press blue to save other people who press blue, and those people pressed blue to save you. You're the reason people are pressing blue, and risking death, ergo you're directly causing them to risk and potentially lose their life.
>>533885229We have this experiment for real with mutually assured destruction and thankfully nobody has pressed the red button. Red button pressers are Israelis and incels. No normal person would risk killing a friend or family member by being a coward.
>>533890371Saying you would press blue is doubly immoral, not only are you a virtue signaler, youre also advocating for others death.
>>533890023You are not the reason. Somebody else is forcing the scenario on you. You cannot be held morally culpable for someone else imposing violence against you and neither for potential harm that might come indirectly to someone else for you choosing not to be harmed.
>>533890407>You're the reason people are pressing blue, and risking death, ergo you're directly causing them to risk and potentially lose their life.There's no direct link so again you're factually wrong. It's a private vote, no one is causing anyone to press either button. It is purely a decision made in their head.
>>533885229Why is this presented as an ethical question and not a question of game theory with a mathematically correct answer?
>>533890422pressing the red button is pressing the button not to launch nukespressing the blue button is pressing the button to launch the nukes that will be deactivated with an indeterminate probability that it will disarm before they reach their targets
>>533890385To pick blue, you would just have to be stupid. But to advocate for blue, you could either be stupid or a low empathy liar, thats why its interesting how many people are advocating for blue, even in this very thread.
>>533890180It takes away agency because it pretends that the red pressers aren't the exact cause of the deaths. Which they are, because that's the entire framing of the hypothetical. When you press the red button you are putting a vote for the death of the blue button pressers.
>>533890422Retarded comparison. MAD is everyone “pressing red” (not doing anything). Blue would be something like “if 50% of nuclear powers shoot nukes at each other, they magically cancel each other out. If less than 50% shoot nukes, the nukes land and kill everyone. You can also just not shoot nukes at people at all”. Thankfully the people with access to nukes simply exercise their independent right to not shoot nukes at anyone, instead of falling for a red herring logic trap that works exclusively on midwit liberal women.
Red results in a 100% survival rate. Why should anyone vote blue?>to save the other people who voted blueWhy did those people vote blue?>to save the other people who voted blueBut why did those people vote blue instead of voting red and avoiding this whole mess?>to save the other people who voted blueSo if nobody voted blue, there would be nobody to save from voting blue?>you just have to vote blue or else you dont belong in a high trust society ok???
>>533890365The red button increases the risk of the blue button people dying. It might not be a risk to you, personally. But that's not the point.>but nobody dies if everyone votes red!I know. You guys said that a million times already. But it's much more likely that 51% of people are just gonna vote to kill nobody. You pressing red makes the best outcome less likely.>>533890385The reason you press the blue button is because you vote "no" on the "kill anyone who doesn't push red" poll.
>>533890470On an unrelated note, I wonder if anyone has done some actual research with a question like this. Something tells me a majority of blue putton pressers are women
>>533885229I wouldn't push either, I'd kill all the jews, which is what no one else did
>>533890370Blue is a vote for the status quoRed is the vote for killing up to half the population of the earth to make sure there's no risk to youDon't reframe your moral cowardice as anything but.
>>533890181It also states everyone has to vote. Key being "has to". How would it even be a morality question if there is no consequences for pushing the red button other than killing blue button pushers. I assume the morale dillema is that you are killing everyone who hasn't pushed the button, including those that can't vote or didn't participate.
>>533890466some how you found out about the plan before hand,you have seen from this thread that there are some degree of red button pushersdo you teach your children to press the red button or the blue button
>>533888817>One is a vote to kill everyone who votes against killing.This is simply not the case because red voters cannot control anyone else's actions. Red voters are voting to preserve everyone's lives, same as blue voters, but red voters do it without any unnecessary risk. Voting blue is not "voting against killing," it's "voting to feel morally superior." Neither vote is cast with the intent of killing.
>>533890462>You are not the reason. Somebody else is forcing the scenario on you.Nobody is forcing you to press red and thereby increase the chance of people dying. If you're the tie breaker that is completely on you.
>>533890522There is zero percent chance that red winning results in 100% survival rate.There is 100% chance that blue winning results in 100% survival rate.
>>533890522It really is an infinite recursion. Someone pressed blue because someone pressed blue because someone pressed blue etc.
>>533885229Red. Either Red wins the vote and I'm in Red so Red lives, or Blue wins and everyone lives.
>>533890505you are literally a chimp pretending to be human. you didnt answer a single point in my comment and just repeated your tired, retarded line. kill yourself.
>>533890535yes they are, and the reason men press the blue button is because they don't want to kill ALL the women.congratz redfags, humanity dies out with you.
>>533890148its not the prisoners dilemma, you fucking stupid niggerpicking red means you are safe and no choice made by anyone else will effect youonly an absolute shithanded retarded trisomy 21 subhuman nigger would choose blue, ever, in this stupid fucking reddit tier poll
>>533890535They've done similar experiments, the results are even worse. Some people act like animals instead of humans.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment
>>533890586Frankly so is the idea of red, you have to press red cause somebody might press red, cause somebody might press red. It's the button of fear
>>533890585if you some how found out that you are the last vote, and red already won by a landslide would you still press blue?
>>533890566>do you teach your children to press the red button or the blue buttonThat goes against the very idea of the scenario so it's a pointless hypothetical. I'm not here to discuss a different moral dilemma.
>>533890598lmao, fuck off, seething loser.
>>533890531That’s not a straight answer. The only real reason to press blue is because you assume someone else pressed it. But the only reason they’d press it is also because they assume someone else pressed it. There’s nothing actually compelling anyone to press blue. In fact, by believing someone else pressed blue, and pressing it yourself, you may in fact be the cause of the “need” for others to press it in the first place. It’s infinite recursion logic that doesn’t actually make any sense. Pressing blue is a fundamentally unintelligent thing to do.
>>533890585Thank you for caring for 100%, you literally saved the next HitlerAlso I don't care about you, and I'm the next Hitler
>>533890568The question is identical to voting on a law that says "kill everyone who voted against this law." Identical. There is no difference. All the same arguments apply in exactly the same way.100% of people voting yes kills nobody.51% of people voting no kills nobody.But 51% or more voting yes are actively complicit in the deaths of those who voted no.
>>533887656of course the kraut wants to suck a cock
>>533885229It's stupid. If everyone picks red, everyone is fine too. There is no benefit for anyone to pick blue, except to hope that the share of retards is above 50% and therefore disarm the blue suicide vests.
>>533890585Bluefags want redfags punished for choosing life.Redfags want bluefags punished for choosing death.If you are presented with the choices of "live" or "kill yourself," it is not my moral responsibility to force you to live. You're able to choose for yourself and if you choose death, you should be granted that choice.
>>533890679actually come up with an argument then, faggot. why dont you turn off the memeflag? is it because youre a faggot poojeet??
>>533890634Memerona proved that all the virtue signalling retards would press red.In fact, while here we're arguing about the fact that it's simple game theory. IRL, these people wished for all those who didn't press red to die.
>>533890571The scenario itself is an entirely unknown chance of people dying but everyone has an equal opportunity to choose guaranteed survival. It makes no rational sense to not choose guaranteed survival aside from a misguided notion that you're responsible for somebody else murdering other people.
>>533890667yes in the actual scenario the only information you have is two buttons one that doesn't kill you and one that might kill you.by choosing blue you chose to die.
>>533890683See >>533890701Blue is the neutral position.
>>533890644Not really. I press red because the rules say anyone who presses red in either outcome lives. If I’m forced to choose one of these stupid buttons I’m obviously going to choose the one that says, “you live”. I’m not going to choose the one that says, “you live if…”
>>533890483>>533890506Alright bad example, but my point is you are pressing a button that could kill someone in order to save yourself. It is cowardly. This can't be argued. You can say you are "high IQ" or based or whatever it still makes you a pussy with animal instinct. Not a real human being who thinks about moral consequence.
>>533890663Quite frankly I might just press blue so I don't have to live the rest of my life in the world your group would create lmao
>>533890586What the blueNPC's are secretly thinking is "someone stupid might have pressed blue, so i have to save them by killing myself, or at least claiming i would, thus engaging in the false performative immoral moralizing of the society i percieve at large, heh heh heh, they'll never know i dont REALLY believe this, im just pretending to, fuck you got mine, and i'll accuse YOU of being the evil one, heh heh heh i'm so cunning aren't i".Of course some of them arent like this and are just stupid but regardless.
>>533890531>But it's much more likely that 51% of people are just gonna vote to kill nobody.Considering how many indians there are, I highly doubt this. Third worlders and bugmen will push the safety button.
>>533887537>win by 16%>"hanging on by a thread"Guess we know where he wanted the vote to go
this is just the "prisoner’s dilemma" and it has been answered multiple time before
>>533890701by your logic its the blue pusher who turn the red pushers in to murderersthere is no onus on red pushersblue pusher are the only ones who bring death into the equation
>>533890701So why would you ever vote against the law except for being a virtue signalling contrarian?
>>533887656Don't threaten me with a good time.
>>533890701It's not the same because of personal agency. You cast your ballot, not me.If the law is "kill everyone who votes against it" and people vote against it... what exactly did they expect would happen? What compelled them to do that? If that was the ONLY thing the law did, as in the case of our buttons, they chose death out of pure foolishness. Darwin would let them die for that.
>>533889956The statement is geared so the blue button is the more tempting option, by first beginning with>if over 50% votes blue, everyone survivesand following with>if under 50% votes blue, everyone who presses red survives.Basic reading comprehension tells you that if you vote red, then you won't die in both scenarios, but the trap is that voting for blue will make you look better in front of everyone by introducing it as the "everyone survives" option.
I really do wonder if people with a gun pressed on their forehead would actually press blue. I don't think they would unless they truly did not understand the consequences of pressing it. People like to use this thought experiment as a way to express their ideology, as if their choice is a reflection of it, but when they are faced with the real chance of instant death, I think they would act differently then they claim they would.
>>533890797Red are actively voting for the death of blue. They're the ones introducing risk on others for self-preservation.>>533890801Because it's a retarded law that shouldn't exist. Why the hell would you support it?
>>533890754This position suggests that the most based people on earth who care about the future of civilization would pick blue, and troons, feminist women, others who don’t care about anyone but themselves would pick red. This is obviously completely wrong. Blue pressers are overwhelmingly women and liberal fags. Rational self interest and the desire to life is in fact the core component of civilization because you can’t build a society and raise kids if you martyr yourself trying to impress some woman online. I choose life so I can continue building. You can enjoy your pointless death.
>>533890746Yeah, you're pressing the button that will lead to the death of the other side it it does prevail. They're making a stand, assuming you won't press that button. It's a scenario of idealists and self interested
>>533890763the world would seriously be a better place without you.
>>533890732>misguided notion that you're responsible for somebody else murdering other people.That's just the truth. You run the risk of being a tie breaker and being the cause of those deaths. That doesn't mean you shouldn't press red but it is what it is. >>533890739>by choosing blue you chose to die.You merely introduce the possibility of dying ahead of schedule. You are going to die regardless of what button you press.
>>533890838See >>533890872
>>533890729Yeah COVID hoax was milgram experiment on steroids, like 50% or more people just catastrophically turned into the most evil demons imaginable.
I wonder if blue pressers would get it if it was flipped to be a reward instead of a riskPress red = instantly receive $100kPress blue = receive $100k, but only if at least half of the other participants also press blueWhich button do you press?
>>533890872if you press the red button you are give a glass of waterif you press the blue button you are give a glass of poisonif enough people drink the poison we will give them the antidotered is obviously the only correct choice.
>>533890853You're not wring. The wording of the question could easily start with "everyone who presses red survives no matter what" and then more people would be inclined to pick that.>>533890898It doesn't matter if the law is stupid and shouldn't exist, it doesn't hurt you by existing unless you vote against it. You have a get out of jail free card and you're demanding shackles.
>>533890872>red are responsible for the deaths of blues, who for some bizarre, histrionic reason, did not choose redjewish pilpul everyone
>>533890881Yeah but the “other side” is what, retarded leftist women? Why would I risk getting outvoted by jeets and chinks to try to save them?
>>533885229I'd push the red button because it's not my job to save blue button pressers from themselves. If they really wanted to live they'd press the red button too and we'd all be fine. I'm not putting my life in the hands of the population that gave us maskfagging vax-enjoying meme-covid, sorry (not sorry.)
>>533890872Because it has no impact whatsoever? It doesn't influence any politics, economics, expenditure, or anything else. It's stupid only in the way that the country before the law would be exactly the same as after the law. Unless you're a contrarian retard of course
>red button pushers being like "Why yes, I WOULD support the 'murder anyone who opposes this law' law" and "why yes, I WOULD vote for the 'murder the other party' party">Still think themselves high IQ and probably moral
>>533890931I already explained why that analogy is retarded. Try again.>>533890958>how does this affect you personally?Have some self awareness.
>>533885946Living is a downside
>>533885229This whole thing is a psyop
>>533890853That's even worse and demostrates how people will happily kill themselves, others, and lie just to appear falsely morally superior.
>>533890853>"the question is framed incorrectly by framing it correctly"!What this is, is moral cowardice masquerading as enlightenment
>>533890701>>533890872>>533890740retarded nigger framing it as a law and as if direct democracy existsif it were so, then the repressive forces and correctional institutions will do the bluepresser killings for me, so my hands are clean
>>533890999>I already explained why that analogy is retarded.you didnt. "because i said so" is not an argument. explain IN DETAIL how it is different.
>>533890890The scenario itself is the cause, not your participation in it. You cannot fix the morality of the situation by abandoning rationality.
>>533890881Idealists want to kill themselves for no reason? What kind of a bizarre twisted ideal is that? I call bullshit, you're not idealists, you're manipulative liars.
>>533890971That's my point, you vote red cause someone else will vote red, it is also a recursive fractal. Women will of course vote for blue as they want to be gracious, most people's moms here would do so, it's essentially a stand of trust versus no trust
>>533891037yeah magic kill half the word buttons don't exist either.
>>533890999>>533890872jewish pilpulyou reframed it as a retarded law, not a natural fact of life (imporing immigrants because caring for 100% is virtuous compared to caring for your people, culture etc that is closer to yours)
>>533891037>I voted to kill people, but it's okay because I'm not actually the one doing the killing!Literal cattle.
>>533891071These are the people that went out of their way to treat the sick during the black death, they call them paragons of humanity. They call them saints, you know
>>533891028It’s funny to me because the whole premise revolves around people wanting to live, on either side. Presumably no one actually wants to die. So, if you press blue, I can only assume you want to die, or are okay with the possibility of dying. If you didn’t want to die, you’d just press red.>”but other people pressed blue!”Then I guess they wanted to die. >”but if we press blue we can save them!”Sure, or we might lose the bet and die too. >”it’s worth the risk! Don’t be an immoral coward! If red wins only rational people will be left alive!”Deal.
>>533890981Total gnome supremacy.
>>533891079i will vote red regardless of if anyone else votes red. it is in no way recursive. nobody elses vote has any impact on mine, which would be pressing red and surviving.
>>533891079What’s wrong with that though? Wanting to live is a perfectly valid motivation
>>533891079>Women will of course vote for bluehence why I shall press red.
>>533885229Red: survive no matter whatBlue: maybe surviveIsn't it fucking obvious?
>>533891110Yes we already know that pressing blue kills you, lying bluecattle.
>>533891069>The scenario itself is the cause, not your participation in it.The outcome depends on your actions, your actions affect the outcome and therefore you are responsible for the outcome.
the scenario does not specify how or when blue pushers dieyou are locked in a metal box, there are two buttons on the door>one button says unlock>the other button say permanently locked>but you are told if enough people lock themselves in the metal box the box will be unlocked
>>533891137Yeah, but you can live in the other scenario too provided everyone makes a stand for their fellow man, you are banking on the idea they won't.
>>533891110Again, there is a mathematically correct answer to the question. In a perfectly logical society, everyone would press the red button because it has no downside in any case, whereas pressing the blue button does. If you you want to argue that not everyone in society is logical, then maybe you should consider that a democracy might be better off without those people
>>533891079No. I’d still vote red even if I knew for certain that every other person on the entire planet would vote blue. I’m not a hyper agreeable, feminized fag. I just choose the simplest, most logical option. Red = live.
>>533890877You are Canadian so I don't consider you a real person but if you were you would know to press the blue button. Worse case scenario you die. It happens to everyone eventually so I'm okay with that. Red button pusher worst case scenario is that you live in a world or not real humans who are only here to survive and don't have any real moral values. You basically are already there in Canada but I couldn't imagine it.
>>533891055With the water analogy, you are consuming a poison substance and waiting for an antidote.In the actual thought experiment, lethality doesn't occur until AFTER all the votes are cast. Hence why the law analogy is much more faithful than anything regarding poisoned glasses or pills or whatever.Red is the "kill non-reds" vote.
>>533891113Killing yourself is not altruistic, holding up suicide as a positive moral good is not altruistic, it is very evil.
>>533891100neither does the poison which isn't a poison until everyone finishes pressing the hypothetical button. so does it come down to the exact framin in the real world?if it is a law for killing, its badif it is a law against immigration, it is good?or I don't care and keep paying taxes for the pedofiles, as long as I can virtue signal on x (formerly twitter) and avoid being shamed for not being a sheep
>>533891188kek this is a direct equivalent as well, that bluefags will ignore or say that it isnt without any further explanation
>>533891192>>533891121Voting red with no fear in mind just makes you look like the definition of an idiot, a private citizen, a sovereignist. No man is an island
>>533891195>the person who does not care about their own life want to convince people that they really care about other peoples livesyour not lying to us your lying to yourself
>>533891191A perfectly logical society would choose blue as small deviations from this logically correct choice still result in the death of nobody.
>>533891192This. I don't see what's in it for me to gamble my life for some virtue signaling pledditors. Would take me 0.1 seconds to decide, hard press red.>>533891208>Red is the "kill non-reds" vote.Fine by me, fuck blue pressers, they suck.
>>533891189But I live no matter what with the red button. Sure I pick it because I don’t want to die, and the alternative introduces the chance of death. Wanting to live is not a personal failing
>>533891030I wouldn't call it incorrectly. The fact some people voted for blue means he suceeded in tricking them.
>>533885229This is retarded. If everybody presses the red button everybody survives.
>>533891208the poison takes long enough that the votes are tallied before it kills you. now its identical. explain the difference?
>>533891195Living in a red only world would mean no insufferable moralizing faggots like you. Sounds great to me. It’s always funny to me when a retard universalizes their perception in a context that makes zero sense:>”If you win you live in a world of people who think like you and agree with you, which I would hate, which is why I chose the option that makes it impossible for me to actually live in that world since I’d be dead!”Yeah uh, good for you? Sounds like your troubles would be over. I’d be enjoying living in a world of logical people who don’t throw their lives away due to random cultish moral faggotry. You’d be dead. Sounds like we all win.
From a cynical perspective the probability that the majority of humanity presses blue is EXTREMELY low. Most likely it'll be a 60/40 or even 70/30 type of thing for red. (And no, a fucking twatter poll is not representative of humanity)With that sociological fact in mind, pressing blue is just being a suicidal naive retard.
Blue voters, would you change your vote if it was ensured that everyone was educated on the consequences of pressing each button (and confirmed that they understood) before they are given the chance to vote?
>>533891316BASED. Nothing but selfish sociopathy for the world will heal it of all issues!
>>533891234>only defense is emotional babbling
>>533891316>noooo you must risk your life for maskfaggot pledditors who set themselves up to die if you don't press the button they wantFuck them. We shouldn't be satisfied with just the button system, we should actively go out and kill blue button pressers after this is done.
>>533891308And yet 60% of people voted blue.
>>533890679He's right and you're seething.I wish this real test and not a hypothetical. It would be immensely enjoyable to red-button you fuckers out of existence. It's like the vax dilemma all over ogain.
>>533891256A perfect logical being would concern with selfpreservation before commiting to help everyone or be bothered with morals or ethics of not witnessing others deathIt's kill (red) or be killed (blue)
>>533891322Voting blue in the poll is just for free social credits; most in an actual life or death situation will choose red.
>>533891210I mean I can definitely see what kind of people this thread hosts. The kind of guys that killed Christ!
>>533891183No. I will never be responsible for other people's actions. Simple as.
>>533891362good strawman bluecultist.
>>533891322>(And no, a fucking twatter poll is not representative of humanity)Even those pledditfags would mostly push red if the scenario was real. The only reason why they all push blue is because it's just a pleddit poll that doesn't matter except for them to virtue signal over.
>>533891371You're not going to heaven
>>533891405You're making a very strong argument for a third button that only kills red button pressers. Imagine a world free from sociopaths.
>>533891395They did not, they answered a hypothetical poll which is not reflective of their actual answer. The consequences of this poll are to express an ideological statement and their life was in no way at risk.
>>533891407Exactly
>>533891141cmon now, killing one of them is based, but killing all of them means we go extinct.>>533891231no, it's not a direct equivalent, because when you phrase it like this, not even women would press "lock", and that actually changes the entire bluefag calculation.
>>533891256Your inability to even graplle with basic logic only tells me I am, in fact, dealing with a woman, making this whole argument pointless
>>533891278Those who chase their lives will lose it, and those who forsake theirs will find it
>>533890853>Would you press the "good guy" button or the "bad guy" button?The world is run by grown ass men and women with the emotional maturity of twelve year old moralfags.
>>533891395>voting in a poll without any consequence is the same as pressing a button that will kill yourself with some probability every blue advocate would press red when it came down to it,
>>533891251being sefless is considered a western value. This board is mostly 3rd world and glowies now so they don't have values. >>533891316I won't be dead because people will press the blue button. You are a selfish animal who prioritizes your life over everything else. This isn't a question if you want to live or not the question is whether or not you are a human with moral values or cattle who just wants to feed for another day.
>>533891414Huh? So i'm bad for not wanting to kill myself because you browbeat me into it? Bluescum truly are moral paragons.>>533891420Based and REDpilled.
>>533891442You're not a sociopath just because you don't want to risk your life for retards who engage in high risk behavior, you fucking retard.
>>533891314It's still not. Lethality isn't even a factor to consider until after the votes and there is no need for an antidote.Blue is the "let's not kill people" vote. Red is the "let's kill those people" vote.
>>533891436suicide is a sin dumbass LOL bluepressers are going to hell for throwing away the gift of life
>>533891436You're an evil death worshipper.
>>533891234The scenario as presented makes every man an island. It’s a fully independent decision. If it was a communal effort, say, my family, and we agreed that the younger or more retarded members will pick blue, so we should all pick blue to save them, then I’d pick blue. But this is just a personal decision. I’ll pick red if I’m the only one who picks red or if everyone else picks red. Red is just simply the answer to the problem, like how 4 is the answer to 2+2. It’s not even a moral dilemma; the moralist framing is the red herring meant to bait gullible women into admitting they’d kill themselves to feel superior. It’s a perfect example of pathological altruism.
>>533891414suicide is a sin its self murder
>>533891463Okay buddy you’re free to take the bluicide pill but I’m happy living and don’t expect me to join you
>>533890740Blue is not the neutral position. Pressing blue adds risk for no reason or benefit.
>>533891496>>533891485Christ is going to hell by your logic for throwing his life away, and so are the saints
>>533891447That's what I meant, they voted blue in the poll, and yet they would not in real life, which makes them liars.
>>533891406That's not logic, that's your personal preference.The best possible outcome is nobody dies. The most likely way of getting that outcome is voting blue.
>>533891494>>533891494>Blue is the "let's not kill people" vote. Red is the "let's kill those people" vote.I'd rather be on the side that does not risk getting killed
>>533891547Christ didnt kill himself you idiotic blueheretic.
>>533891544>>533891541Suicide is a sin, but the 300 of Sparta went out of their way to fight and die. We glorify them still
>>533891459That's a funny way of saying "I have no rebuttal and hereby concede."
>>533891362Red button assumes that most people hold rational self-interest above misguided heroics.If everyone picks the red button, everyone lives.Nobody has control over which color you choose to flick. If you want to risk your life on behalf of people who can't understand risk and game theory, that's your prerogative, but you're risking death.>>533891442It's interesting, because I would be the first to admit that I *am* a hostile red-button pusher -- I am comfortable with the idea that blue-button pushers are generally stupid, simpering, weak-minded people who endanger themselves and others through their short sighted faux-heriocs.HOWEVER, I'm not the average red-button pusher. Most red-button pushers think about the problem, and determine it would be best if everyone pressed the red button. They don't want people to die, and expect the general population to follow suite -- personal accountability, and rational self-interest.Fortunately for everyone, there isn't a third button, and red-pushers survive no matter what. That's the beauty of this hypothetical - it separates the clever and moral, the clever and immoral, and the dumb and immoral. Guess which category you've brilliantly illustrated that you belong to?
>>533891478every time you deposit your pay check instead of sending it to african villages you are pressing the red button
>>533891546The risk didn't exist until people started voting red.
>>533891509I'm a Christ worshipper
>>533891478I prioritize my life over not pointlessly dying, sure. I’m surprised you’re still alive though, you seem to believe that living is for selfish animals. Why haven’t you sacrificed your worthless animal life for some great noble cause?
>>533891566>The best possible outcome is nobody dies.That is your preference>The most likely way of getting that outcome is voting blue.source? twatter poll?
>>533891556Do the same "dilemma" in a video gaym or something. All who press the red button gets a prize, blue don't get the prize if most people push red.See what people actually do when there's some real stakes there, however minor.99% of players would press the red button, and if you think they wouldn't you're a fucking moron who have no clue about how humans work.
>>533891547Christ and the saints died for a noble cause. They didn't even commit suicide, they were persecuted for spreading the gospel. Do you even hear yourself?? You know who did commit suicide in the bible? Judas.
>>533885229I would press blue of course, the option that involves no needless killing.
>>533891420But it is your action as a tie breaker that killed them, not theirs. You would have lived regardless.
>>533891608How is it logical to society as a whole to pointlessly risk death? Are you a moron?
>>533891574Yeah, we already know redfags are cowards.
>>533891512By no means is this a personal decision if the other side dies by your accord. You're either gonna have to save those banking on the salvation of mankind, or abandon them to the fates
>>533891566>The best possible outcome is nobody dies.I disagree. That's actually not the best outcome. Culling the low IQ (blue pressers) is the most optimal outcome.
>>533891629No the risk didn't exist until there was a choice being presented you fucking retardYou're basically betting on the average human being goodwilled and naive. Think about this for 2 seconds and realize how retarded you sound.
>>533891631Christ didn't kill himself and you are lying about Christ and falsely moralizing and ranting about how pious you are which Orthodox Christianity is wholly against.
>>533891661wrong,i press red and i don't die, and nobody else diesuntil some retard presses the blue button
>>533891623>implying african villages ever receive donations lolit's always some government nigger that pockets the whole thing, let's not kid ourselves.
>>533891650>>533891585They could have not offended the romans and the jews but they did so anyway, they committed suicide by your logic, they wanted to get killed. Even when salvation was on the line, Christ like Socrates chose to die
>>533891677How do they die by “my accord”? They had the same choice I did. If I chose red because it was the safest guarantee of life, they could have made the same choice for the same reason. If they choose blue, they must have a reason for why they wish to lower their success rate from 100% to 51%. Seems like that’s their choice to deal with.
>>533891648I'm curious if you can make some money off of this. Like get people to wager $5 and let them keep it if they press red or blue is greater than 50%.
>>533891629>red people badenjoy your risk, go die for pissrael>>533891674>killing people is what cowards do! brave people save drowning immigrants and let tyrone fuck their wives!nice ad hominem nigger
>>533891713Christ didn't have to carry the cross, but he did for mankind, which the blue option is all about. Are you willing to die for mankind or are you running to the hills?
>>533891666>>533891647Fewer deaths = better. No deaths = best.To get the best outcome, you must either have 100% red or 51% blue. The former is nearly impossible so the latter is the obvious choice.
>>533891732That's why they're called "christcucks".
>>533891648Yep, it's not even the prisoners dilemma where there is always a downside.There is literally no downside to voting red, if you vote red, you live, anyone who votes red lives, if everyone votes red everyone lives, there are only ever downsides for pressing blue.
>>533891746No, because as I said, with real stakes no one would pick blue. I know that, you know that, even the virtue signaling pledditors know that.
>>533891732this retard really thinks being murdered is the same as committing suicide.actually that makes sense though, because bluefags think their suicide is the same as others murdering them
>>533891741They had the choice you did. That's actually a great moment to reframe the game. It is an uprising, if more than fifty percent choose it, you win against the tyrant, if you kneel and so do most, the ones dissenting lose. Thank you for bringing this narrative into being
>>533891758that's just your preference
>>533891715But you run the risk of being a tie breaker in which case you would cause the deaths of others.
>>533891797Murdered? It was Christ's choice to persist, he even told his students not to save him. He wanted to die on the cross, and so did Peter and so did Paul when it came time
>>533891648Yep. If you make the 2 choices either a guaranteed prize or chance of equal prize, then it makes sense to themThey don't reply to it though because they are emotionally invested in arguing
>>533891758Making the perfect the enemy of the good is a fallacy buddy.Fact is much of the time red would be the majority, so many blues would always die, which would not happen if 99.9% of people just always voted red, sorry about the few idiots and suicidal people but im not sacrificing everyone else for them thats insane and evil.
>>533891783I don't know, if you got a few hundred million people to play the game somehow, maybe 0.1% - 1% might actually press it for the memes and you'd still make big money
>>533891700I'm voting on principle. And I honestly question whether low-IQ third worlders would even think hard enough about the options to come to the conclusions you're coming to.They see a "kill nobody" button and a "kill everyone who didn't pick this button" button and I imagine their first instinct would just be to kill nobody because that's the obvious choice.
>>533891629That's not how it works based on the games rules. The games rules give you two choices: one choice has risk, the other does not Did you read it closely? Are you trying to blame others for not taking on risk to their own lives for no reason just because you did? If anything, this game is a test of self-awareness and personal accountability.
>>533891798What? This is gobbledygook. Everyone gets the same choice. Red or blue. I pick red because I want a 100% chance of living. Anyone else could pick red for the same reason. If they don’t, there’s only a few reasons: they’re retarded, they’re suicidal, or they fundamentally misunderstood the rules. None of those are my fault or my problem. I don’t have to reduce my chance of living from 100% down to 51% just to compensate for the apparent lack of basic reasoning skills of a bunch of leftoid women.
>>533891823still sad your granddad catered to some jews in the lolocaust swimming pools?
>>533891756Dying for a true cause isn't suicide, dying for no reason is, you're just being stupid now. False moralizer.
>>533891631You are not a very good Christian then, Jesus is the red button while Judas picked blue one because he thought the red button wouldn't make the majority of Jesus' followers to start an uprising against the Romans.
>>533891875Everyone gets the choice to submit or to dissent. If most people dissent Everyone wins, if most people submit, those that dissented die screaming. You're choosing again, your self interest above humanity
>>533891847Yeah, but for big money you'd have to get the virtue signal faggotry in there if you wanted to make money off of it... so some sort of mechanism that shows off the most altruistic pledditor playing or something?
>>533891874You have awful reading comprehension and need to try again.
>>533891873>I imagineWell you're imagining wrong, have fun dying kek
>>533891836not fighting back against your murderer is not the same as committing suicide
>>533891903Jesus didn't choose to live, the final temptation was rejected, your Christ came for insurance and mortgages, mine came for the salvation even unto death. He WANTED to go up on the cross
>>533891442The blue button saves you if 50% press it and kills you if less than 50% press it.The red button guarantees survival but kills all the blues if they don't hit 50%The green button kills all reds if it gets more than 25% pressesThe yellow button kills all green and red button pressers if the green and red button pressers exceed 50%, but kills you if blue is over 50%.The orange button ensures your survival regardless of other buttons but will enact the button test again next year if orange button is over 20% and the next test will not have an orange button.The white button kills you but saves 10 other random people who would otherwise die, unless a blue button success condition is reached in which case you survive.The pink button will let you survive either a red or yellow button success, but if blue wins you become a girl, and if orange wins you dieThe black button kills you and 50 jews
>>533891873>I'm voting on principle.No you're not lying moralizer, you're not voting on anything you're just claiming you would, you're full of shit like all bluescum.
>>533891896Dying for a true cause, Aaron Bushnell died for a true cause too against world jewry, yet you'd call that suicide
>>533891547No point in explaining. /pol/ is basically Israel when it comes to morals. I kill them in order to feel safe. >>533891623If I give away my pay check I lose money. I lose nothing if I press blue. If you press red you are risking just as much as I am. I'm risking my life you are risking your soul. We just have different priorities over what is more important.>>533891644Would you die for your family? Any other loved ones? I'm going to guess no because you prioritize your life over everything else. Life is precious but it does end and what kind of person you were matters. You let fear decide your answer not intelligence. Fool yourself into believing game theory all you want fact is your afraid most people are moral cowards so you decide the safe route is to follow the pack. You know like and animal.
>>533891952It's honestly ironic how you accuse the blue team of being low IQ and then justify this by saying, what was that again? A bunch of liw IQ brownoids would pick red?Kek.
>>533891966Of course it is, if you consciously choose to give up, and not get treatment for an illness, and let your body be consumed by maggots for instance, that is a suicide
Actually I would argue the entire philosophy of bluetards is not understanding their moralism hinges on not believing in the risk of death. If it's an abstract "you will die" they're willing to press the button, but imagine they're under a guillotine and it only gets disabled if >50% press blue, or if you press red. Oh look at that, suddenly 99% of people pressed red.
>>533890021Why do you hate Israel? Stop trying to kill or President!
>>533891968Listen retard, your own post contradicts Jesus>>533891921>If most people dissent Everyone winsThat's like saying "If most people believe in Christ, everyone will go to heaven".You are NOT a Christian, you are a dumbfuck low IQ virtual signal faggot who uses religion to try to sway others to your side.Of course you are a blue picker, fucking lmao. Real eye-opener this one.
>>533891873>Everyone thinks like me, especially low-IQ third worlderskekitt bluepressing niggers who live off gibs hoping to sway people to keep them around and continue giving gibs
>>533891921The fact that you have to come up with this weird philosophical wannabe babble suggests you’re not really capable of articulating the point with any real clarity or meaning. It’s a simple point; the only reason you’d pick blue is because you simply assumed other people were picking blue. In reality, there’s no reason why anyone else couldn’t or wouldn’t just pick red, if they want to live. Perhaps the blue pressers actually just want a painless death? That’s their choice. My choice is simply to live, the same choice everyone makes every day when they don’t kill themselves. If you make a different choice, then so be it. My choice doesn’t inform yours, just like yours doesn’t inform mine. If me picking red forced you to pick blue then you’d have a point. It’s not the case; every choice is personal and wholly independent of everyone else. The choice is simple: red = you live, blue = you (probably) die. So, what’s your choice?
>>533891929just delay the result and give them little stickers for whatever color they voted for that they can share online
>>533892068The saints died for you, Christ chose to die so that you'd accept to die for him as well, those that chase after survival will lose their lives as the Bible says, and those that are willing to lose their lives will find them
>>533892044so a woman held at gunpoint, who doesnt resist her attackers, and is killed later - this woman committed suicide??
>>533892046Of course, the bluedevil is a moralizing hypocrite and a liar, they all are, facing the reality they would all choose red, it's quite a remarkable phenomenon of how willing people are to lie for social points and spread deceptive untruths
>>533892018of course not, low IQ brownoids like yourself will always pick blue, because they wont survive without reds giving gibs>look at me how my grammar is perfect, therefore you are low IQ for saying kek on a mongolian basket weaveing forumkek
>>533892069I don't think third worlders think like me. I think they'd come to the same conclusion, but in a more retarded way.
Crazy amount of replies for a non pinned thread. This hypothetical has really stirred /pol/ upNice to see it's still semi alive even if 50% of its traffic are retards
>>533892111The choice is simple, submit or resist. You choose submission, and humanity lives in slavery. My ancestors chose blue, to resist and believe in their fellow man, and today we have a country. I'm sorry you're so afraid of others pressing red, but life is worth losing, that's what history recalls
>>533892115Yeah, now you're talking.
>>533892015You’re the one who’s still alive. Why haven’t you killed yourself for the greater good? Your body has a bunch of organs that could be donated and save half a dozen innocent kids desperately waiting for transplants. Why is your dumb animal selfish faggot life so much more worth living than theirs, huh? Go and be a good christcuck and sacrifice yourself.
>>533892124Christ died for my eternal soul. He didn't commit suicide on the off chance that I would kill myself if He didn't. If the question concerned me pressing a button to die but save every else's soul, of course I would press it. That is in NO way what this question is asking
>>533892140If you're going peacefully into Ted bundy's lair, and he skins you alive as he intended from the moment he kidnapped you, yeah I'd say you essentially accepted your own death at some point
>>533892181You live in a country where people consume way more resources per capita than in the third world. Killing yourself would probably save dozens of starving niggers who could have gotten what you consume in gibs instead. Just saying, faggot.
>>533892171I'll make a new thread soon, i'm just so tired of trying to figure out who is an NPC or not, it's nice to have a question to ask people to see if they are actually honest or just posturing, some people are so fake and full of shit in the social media age and it would be nice to have a way of pointing them out and seeing them, just answer the blu-red test
>>533892124>starts rambling when shown how he literally contradicted scriptureThe saints died for Christ, retard. Christ and only Christ is the one who died for me, for my sins, specifically. And in order to get salvation, my only choice is to go through him and accept him as my savior. There's no ifs or buts. There's no majority rule. There's only Christ, he's the only choice that guarantees my salvation. And that's the red button.At least learn the most basic tenets of the religion you try to manipulate in order to get your points accross, heretic.
>>533892163>I don't thinkyeah you>>533891873imaginetell me what is their retarded thinking process that comes to the same conclusion as you, shouldn't be that difficult for a high IQ kike such as yourself?
This question is retarded. I wish there was a super-red button I could press that would force the “people” posting and reposting it to press blue.
>>533892207Christ died for the sake of prophecy, he had to die by his own accord, he chose to live by his words and die by them too. Christ understood and so did the saints in the colosseum that death isn't the end. All the Christians that died under Roman rule show us that life is worth risking, they could have just gone somewhere else but they didn't
>>533892015you have food in your fridge, you have food banks and neighbors and friends,family all who will provide enough substance not to die, you are not losing your life, but by not sending your pay check to africa you are actively starving people to death
>>533892287thank you based piratefriend
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>>533892181Ugh, whatever you fucking mindless zombie retard. This slave morality insanity and indoctrination is exactly why our society is so pathologically self destructive.
>>533892252again, starving niggers in africa don't actually get gibs. fat government niggers in africa take all the gibs.
>>533892299I'm rambling? I'm quoting the Bible, Mexican. The saints died knowing that others would follow their example, they chose to disobey Roman rule
>>533892312Ah so youre actually a redpresser
>>533892353i did not say give it to some ngo, fedex it straight to the village chief
>>533892252My country fought for those rights, will yours? When they ask you to kneel you'll say you saved yourself by doing so
>>533892329yarrrr no problem matey>>533892310
>>533892305I already explained. Work on your reading comprehension.They see a "don't kill anyone" button next to a "kill people who push that button" button and they'll think "killing is bad. I vote no killing' without really doing any sort of cost-benefit analysis.
>>533892015>I lose nothing if I press blue.you lose your life,how retard are you
>>533892046Alright Hans I got one for you. Imagine your country is taken over by by insane people. If you all stand together you can kick them out but if not enough people participate all the protestors die or go to jail. What do you do? You stay at home of course because you are a big pussy!>>533892196>christcuckCan I guess your religion? >>533892319I don't think you understand the hypothetical at all.
>>533892345Call it slave morality, I call it being a paragon of humanity as Christ would demand of us, to put our lives on the line for others. Just like in all sorts of natural disasters where there are good Samaritans risking their hide.
>>533892365You have a keen intellect. I can see why you have posted 62 times about this non-question.
>>533888140You'd just be committing suicide with those children. Red is still the correct answer. Hopefully, your child would make the right choice.
>>533892316Jesus allowed Judas to kill himself over the guilt of his betrayal. God allows people to kill themselves every day. Obviously there is a point where you have to take responsibility for your own actions. Jesus and the saints didn't commit suicide, but they did die for something greater than themselves. Pressing blue is killing yourself for no reason.
>>533892405I lose my humanity if I press the red button. Either way I'm dead if blue doesn't win.
>>533892356They DID NOT, you stupid fuck.The saints died because they KNEW that Jesus is God and only a fool would deny their savior, even when met with inminent death.They didn't die because that would convince others to follow Jesus, they were put to death because they wouldn't deny that he is their savior.Honestly, how stupid are you? You don't get Christianity at all.
>>533892389you explained your thought process and assume, or imagine as you put it, third world low IQ niggers like yourself think the same way
>>533892319The funny thing is these moralists act like everyone is bound by the same metaphysical self hatred and guilt complex they are. In reality we are simply burdened by their continued existence and interference in our systems. If this scenario actually happened and the blue stain was cleansed, all that would happen is we’d finally have peace. It would be like being cured of AIDS, and on its way out the AIDS is saying, “now you have to live in a world where your immune system functions correctly!”. Yeah, I can see why that’s a bad thing from its retarded perspective, but it’s funny that it would think we align with that view. We just want the fucking disease gone.
>>533892414the river is floodingpress the red button to move to higher groundpress the blue button to jump in to the water, if enough people jump into the flooding river they wont' drown
>>533892463well you just lost your humanity because some african just starved to death and you with your job your smart phone enough money to buy a plane ticket and pallets of food choose to be selfish and continue living your life as if they werent starving
>>533892287Truly based. Great opening post and Great points made. It's sad yet somewhat enlightening to see the back and fourth and rationale of people. I suppose if everyone chose the same button this op wouldn't be any good or generate this kind of buzz
>>533892455It doesn't have to be killing yourself if humanity chooses it, like those saints that go out during plagues and times of war, they'd call them thrillseekers too, willing to risk their lives for meager gains. Cosmas and Damianos, the doctors who refused pay, they believed in inherent humanity, they wouldn't press red
>>533892511bluefags still cannot refute this
It is wrong to wish death upon others. I voted blue in a copied poll before I knew this was a big twitter thing and before I knew this thread.Guess what, red won because 4channers are epic trolls. But I truly believe that the collective humanity would be good enough to save everyone.
>>533892468You know what they say, "the path to hell is paved with good intentions". It would be interesting to live in a world without the people who pave that path.
>>533892389>>533892467also, the initial premise does not mention any killing, only survival, so your premise is falseremember, they are low IQ niggers like yourself, so they can't reframe it from survival to killing
>>533892414Christianity was a Levantine slave religion meant to undermine Roman imperial rule due to resentment. It poisoned the minds of people who had spent 1000 years building a great civilization, parasitized the corpse of said civilization, then spawned 10 generations of self hatred culminating in the complete inside out destruction of our entire racial ancestry, culture, religions, and soon everything else that defined us as unique people. And when you die the saddest thing is you won’t even be met with some kind of comeuppance or “I told you so”, it’ll just be an endless, painless void.
>>533891661In the event of a tie, JD Vance is the tie breaker
>>533892466I don't get it? Three hundred years of men and women dying for Christ with no gain but all pain, that's where I'm basing my belief. You're the one chasing life, I'm arguing for Christ's message, life is worth losing for the sake of mankind. Did he, or did he not die for mankind you ridiculous Mexican?
>>533885229Picking blue is what vaxxtards thought they were doing when they took 3 untested vaccines in less than a year, but at the same time they wanted everyone who picked red to die. When you realize this, you will understand that picking blue is the psychopaths choice. People who think that picking red is “evil” or unethical or whatever are just proving my point.Picking red is the only logical choice. Never ever rely on other people to make the right choice, covid showed us that most people are retarded cattle.
>>533892511>>533892542Anyone who isn't retarded can refute it. Why haven't you killed your mother to take her money? Are you afraid of getting arrested or do you have a blue button reason?
>>533892535people dying of plagues did not choose to do so. people pressing the blue button are choosing to kill themselves. Jesus/thesaints/whoever would talk down a suicidal person, or prevent them from ending their own lives, not join their suicide pact and threaten others to join or else were all killing ourselves
>>533892472The Christian option is to save the drowning, the red will not be rewarded in the afterlife, even the pope said "what is the global north doing for the global South?"
>>533891921>Everyone gets the choice to submit or to dissent. If most people dissent Everyone wins, if most people submit, those that dissented die screaminglol you think blue is "dissenting">You're choosing again, your self interest above humanityIf you press the stupid button that's your problem. God doesn't exist btw and religious/political zealots commit the greatest atrocities.
>>533892612>Why haven't you killed your mother to take her money?what?
>>533892426I'm somewhat of a retard myselfNEW THREAD>>533892310>>533892310>>533892310
>>533892511Pressing red is directly inflicting death on othersNot flying to africa to save a bunch of niggers who will kill each other over copper wires is not preventing death.Two very separate things, even before the eyes of law. It's murdering someone in a bus vs. Getting off the boss while someone is getting stabbed out of fear.
>>533892612Bluefag thinking at playFucking retard
>>533892610It’s also funny to me how they frame red as a “selfish” choice, as if not wanting to die and abandon your entire family and country for virtue points is some great deed, lol. Most bluetards probably just want an easy way out of life and they love the idea of a hypothetical that makes them seem virtuous for just giving up and killing themselves.
>>533892591They are not dying to convince others to die in order for Christianity to flourish, you stupid fuck.They are dying because they believe that Jesus is the only path towards salvation.How the fuck you are not getting this? It's incredible really.
>>533892615The guys dying of plague of course didn't, but the caretakers who went out of their way to assist the dying of course did. Don't you see it takes resolve to sacrifice the self for the greater good? Did Christ not die for mankind and not just because of a personal error? I think he died for man
>>533892644It would help your survival. What are you a libtard?
>>533892637kek
>>533892612because killing people is wrong? redchads are not killing anyone. bluefags are killing themselves and demanding others kill themselves to potentially save others.
>>533892576Your ancestors of the last two thousand years would shun you anon
>>533892635My ancestors all chose blue and that's why we're still here, they could have chosen not to revolt but they did chose to sacrifice themselves and potentially die for their beliefs. Funny, so did YOURS
>>533892610I felt similar about this hypothetical in relation to vaxxed unvaxxed>>533892546Pretend nobody is wishing death on others. Pretend the question is choose the button that promises your survival. No morality no politics no virtue signaling....choose what button has best odds at your own survival. Then what button do you choose
>>533892678His "thinking" was just as nonsensical. >>533892725Redtards are indeed killing someone. Somebody will press blue. But if everyone mutually agrees to press blue then you are not at risk. You would have to be a coward to turn around and press red if everyone you knew was pressing blue.
>>533892690Of course they fucking did, ingrate. What did the church say on turncoats? That they must repent, but if you are not a turncoat in times of strife you die. It was a religion taught by the dying to the living, and if you dared reject your torturous death you were shunned! We come from a line of church resistance, I'd even say you do too, don't spoil the broth with your selfishness
>>533892804It is better to have faith than paranoia. I will not heavily arm myself just in case my neighbor wants to kill me.
>>533892841>Somebody will press blue.Those are killing themselves, though. They could have pressed red and not died.
Red-heads trying to justify their choice as anything but self-preservation is the funniest shit. What is even the point? It's hilariously retarded.
>>533885229Neither are moral choices. Morality is just a advocacy for violence that exists in an isolated ruleset that is created by consensus. The truly moral thing to do is to kill OP for being a faggot.
>>533892936>everyone opts for self preservation>...>nobody diesWeird, it's almost like red button pushers can think and blue button pushers are retards.
>>533892841>bluetards are indeed killing themselves. Somebody will press red. But if everyone mutually agrees to press red then you are not at risk. You would have to be a retard to turn around and press blue if everyone you knew was pressing red
>>533892762lmao you're equating choosing blue with civilization and pro-social values when it actually signifies nothing except an inability to reason beyond a basic premise. You are a histrionic retard.
>>533892929You are killing them by pressing red. If everyone agrees to press blue it is not possible for anyone to die. If any person presses red they are risking the entire group out of cowardice for themselves.
>>533892990You're still doing it bro and it's so retarded every time. I've wasted probably more than hour just laughing at this shit, please stop.
>>533893007Reason didn't birth our civilization, spirit did. Our faith isn't built on reason, nor is our resistance to tyrants. I'm being consistent with the ancestors, are you?
>>533893046Nah, they're killing themselves.
>>533892843Again, you dumbfouding moron. What the Church says against turncoats is exactly what you are proclaiming to be the right choice.The blue button IS the turncoat choice. The idea that unless there's a majority, there's no path to salvation. It turns the path to salvation into a democracy.SALVATION ISN'T A DEMOCRACY. IT'S AN ABSOLUTE.Only those that accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior will be saved. There's no majority rule. There's no "I don't want my loved ones to not be saved so I'll pick the choice that gets them saved". It's not your choice to save them, only they can save themselves through Christ.Not everyone will go to heaven, and those who don't go to heaven will be the ones who don't follow the absolute directive.Jesus IS the red button. You are a heretic.
>>533892936retarded german implying self preservation is a bad thing. typical for your type, hans - a completely suicidal ethnicity
>>533893046Blues are risking suicide hoping herd mentality saves them
Billions (of retards) must die
>>533892652>Pressing red is directly inflicting death on othersNo it's not. Whoever is imposing the scenario is applying the force and committing the murder.
>>533893046If everyone presses red, it's not possible for people to die either.>>533893063Cope. RedChads win, BlueFags cope, seethe, dilate, etc.
>>533893111Blue is willing to sacrifice your life for humanity's sake, retard, you're putting it all on the line with the idea that all will come to understand your sacrifice. Christ would not choose to save himself like Doctor House, like a fucking cynic. I don't know what kind of faith YOU follow, mine is of saints who were skinned for their beliefs and still decided to pass them on, that is the meaning of taking up the cross
>>533892732My ancestors built the framework of civilization that your jewish mind virus co-opted and destroyed from inside. You are a virus, you know that right? A literal civic pathogen that infests, corrupts, and destroys everything around it.
>>533893122>retarded german implying self preservation is a bad thing.Where did I imply that lmao>>533893159It's very clearly the red-heads who are coping.
>>533893213Your ancestors are reduced to statues and stones. Mine is a living and breathing tradition, tell me of today's pagans in Europe
>>533893211>Blue is willing to sacrifice your life for humanity's sakeNo it isn't dumbfuck. Blue is being afraid to pick the only path to salvation because you follow the herd instead of the shepherd.
>>533893297The easiest way to 'salvation" is to give up and conform, exactly what the saints DIDN'T do. Christianity wasn't built for you lousy Aztecs, I can see that
>>533893211You speak of people who did the right thing in spite of what was the popular choice. How can you not see they were the red choosers
>>533893250Yeah great world you faggots built; collapse the Roman Empire, fuck around in feudal tribes for 1000 years, mindlessly colonize random parts of the world, feel perpetually guilty about it, allow leftism to infest our cultures, “spread the other cheek”; fertility collapse, demographic collapse, rampant atomization, completely abdication of civic responsibility.>”hurr durr pagans lost!”Yeah, because they were infected and destroyed by retards like you. If a great man gets a disease and dies from it, do we usually celebrate the disease?
>>533893344Because red is to save your life, they weren't saving their lives, they were ruining them by doing something people here...would consider insane
>>533893070>Our faith isn't built on reason, nor is our resistance to tyrantsResisting tyranny is entirely reasonable. Meanwhile you christfags are the biggest golems in the world ensuring the pharisees are in total control.>Reason didn't birth our civilizationCivilization is reason. Hunter gatherers had plenty of spirit I'm sure.>I'm being consistent with the ancestorsThis is the real problem with christfags. Promoting pro-social qualities is great until you get high on your own supply and completely lose touch with reality. No, Israel doesn't deserve to rule the goyim and no, not choosing the suicide button in a thought experiment doesn't make someone evil.
>>533893154>hiring a hitman is not directly killing someone
>>533893330What the fuck are you talking about? There's literally only way towards salvation you retard. There's no easiest or hardest. There's one.You will have quite a deal of explaining to do when Jesus asks about your blasphemous false witness.
>>533893221How are we coping?If you retards outnumber us, life goes on as normal.If you retards don't outnumber us, we advance humanity forward 500 years in a button press.If you retards don't exist, nobody dies, life goes on as normal.We win. The only thing we have to deal with now is the bitching, equivocating, moaning, and troonraging of blue-pushing retards. I don't know how to make this any simpler for you, but I guess if escaping into fantasies which lionize your suicidal impulse makes you feel better, be my guest.
>>533893381I mean you say all that but Christians went to the moon, they colonized and settled the world, they built this continent up from a forested darkness, you're really underselling the situation
>>533893159The blues only have to be 51% right. You need to be 100% right.
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>>533893396Resisting tyrants means death, are you willing to choose death, or are you willing to submit and save your life? That's what it's all about my man
>>533893344>You speak of people who did the right thing in spite of what was the popular choice. How can you not see they were the red choosersCome on bro, red is just self-preservation. Christians, especially early Christians, did not go down the path of self-preservation. They were prosecuted for their beliefs, red would have been to stay Pagan.>>533893426>How are we coping?By trying to justify it as anything but self-preservation.
>>533893420You equate physical bodily salvation with salvation of the soul, YOU ALREADY FAILED, gypsy! Go to catechism
>>533893396When you realize that christoids were the OG woke leftists of their time, things make a lot more sense. Their sole purpose is just to undermine existing power structures and replace them with self defeating inversions that place all value on mystical otherworldly goals and rewards that wholly absolve them from taking responsibility for the ruin they leave in the real world.
>>53389334413 Enter ye in at the narrow gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way that leadeth to destruction, and many there are who go in thereat. 14 How narrow is the gate, and strait is the way that leadeth to life: and few there are that find it!15 Beware of false prophets, who come to you in the clothing of sheep, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
>>533893382One is a popular choice option go with the flow we will all be ok(blue)One is a personal choice. Staying true to yourself. You can't force others hearts or actions just take care of yourself be it spreading truths or in the button scenario saving your own life (red)
>>533893545Staying true to yourself, that's not the right way to put it, because resistance brings destruction and war, and you're trying to make it look like it is about being a free spirit who simply lives in apathy, that's not the case dude
>>533893468>By trying to justify it as anything but self-preservation.No one has been doing that. The answer you get from everyone is that they press the red button because they want to live, and if you're tarded and press the blue button that's on you. Yes, it's self-preservation, which is healthy and sane.
>>533893428Christians stood on the shoulders of giants, wrestled endlessly with their own ambitions, demonized every material gain they ever accomplished, and eventually turned everything over to invader hordes and subversives. Christian accomplishments were just momentum carried forward from the Roman days. The Romans actually believed in spirited human achievement unlike Christian’s who believe every earthly achievement is a sin. Christianity was always going to be a self defeating ideology. It collapsed Western Rome, it led to a curated stagnation in the East and eventually lost to the Ottomans, and now it’s losing to neoliberalism and whatever foreign horde knocks at our door. Every great culture that resisted the judeo christoid mind virus still exists coherently today. Only Christians undermined themselves to the point of near extinction.
>>533893460>are you willing to choose death, or are you willing to submit and save your life?Choosing death to resist tyranny makes a lot more sense than dying because someone can't read.
>>533893396I don't know what this retard is but he certainly doesn't believe in Jesus Christ.See>>533893490The dumbfuck is the one that's actually equating physical salvation to the soul's but he's too dumb to realize it. To pick the red button is akin to picking Christ because only by picking Christ you will be saved. The only guarantee for salvation is to pick what actually guarantees your salvation. It's twice as funny when the idiot goes with "but these people sacrificed themselves, so you should too!" and thinks there's anyone but him equating the soul with the body.The red choice is a choice of the soul. Is the choice that accepts the salvation of one's self through a higher power (the button).The blue choice is the choice for the body, is the choice that tells you that everyone will pick it due to thinking that in order to live he needs to save and be saved.You are going to hell, hylic.
>>533893637I can't read? I know my history, our nation had the choice to become muslim or rebel, and we REBELLED despite mass death, we chose the sacrifice>>533893633Invader hordes who were themselves christian, that sounds paradoxical, it sounds like western rome wasn't so faithful on a foundation of bureaucracy and RATIONALISM, saving their skin!>>533893752You are committed to heresy son, you believe that saving your skin is saving your soul, is that what they preach over in Mexico, that if your neighbors are dying, you should just run and save yourself like 28 weeks later, the guy running to the boat? That is the way of reason, but that is not the way of faith, and these two are indeed opposed.
