Previous: >>533877156Day 1,522 – Daily assessment: understandingwar.org/analysis/russia-ukraine/#research▶Latest>193 Ukrainian soldiers are returning home as part of the prisoners swap with russia>EU's €90bn loan for Ukraine and the 20th sanctions package against russia formally approved>Drone forces destroyed the command post and rear deployment point of the FSB’s Directorate of Mobile Operations in the temporarily occupied Donetsk.>russian communist party gen. sec. Zyuganov predicts total collapse of the so-called the federation on the russia by August 2026 under current trajectory>US is now using Ukrainian anti-drone equipment to defend their bases - Reuters>Ukraine has repaired the section of the Druzhba oil pipeline damaged by russian shelling>Smoooking accident at the Tuapse refinery>Smoooking accident at the Fosagro chemical plant in Cherepovets>Szijjártó (orbán's FM) has barricaded himself with some of his closest colleagues and is shredding documents related to the sanctions on russia and any other evidence of treason>Hungarian PM candidate Magyar talks of 'pragmatic' ties with moscow but clearly sides with Ukraine on war: russia is the aggressor in the war, Ukraine has the right for self determination, Ukraine's territorial integrity must be respected, etc., he is happy with the €90bn Ukraine deal as agreed in December last year (which included an opt-out for Hungary)>Magyar does not support Ukraine's fast-track EU accession but he will do everything in his power to diversify oil and gas sources and routes for Hungary (=less reliance on russia)▶Telegramrentry.org/telosint2023t.me/ukr_pics▶Intelt.me/DeepStateENodin.tradoc.army.mil/WEG (equipment explorer)ukr.warspotting.net (visually confirmed losses)▶Mapsdeepstatemap.live/enliveuamap.com/en▶DISPOSABLE SOLDIER (diary of a RU mobik)TOURS 1-4: files.catbox.moe/mpcw7p.zip▶12 min of TZD in one ditch (Pokrovsk area) - 28 killedfiles.catbox.moe/sxbxfb.mp4
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When will the pidors stop dying?
>>533892550https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWWdzqO0qi8
>>533892325>"My country's oldest academy" = FinlandAnon you're so tilted you can't even track the argument. I was talking about Ukraine the entire time - Kyiv-Mohyla Academy, Ukrainian institution. You read "my country" and immediately went for the flag instead of the content.But since you brought it up:>Finland was never a country, just a Russian provinceFinland had its own parliament (1906), its own currency (markka, 1860), its own legal system, its own customs, and gave women the vote before any country in Europe. Your "province" had more institutional autonomy than most Russian oblasts have today.>granted independence by themFinland DECLARED independence on December 6, 1917. Parliament voted 100-88. Lenin recognized it because the Bolsheviks were hemorrhaging territory and couldn't hold the periphery during the civil war. "Granted" is doing 200kg of lifting in that sentence. Then in 1939 the USSR tried to take it back and got bodied so hard that Stalin had to dissolve the puppet government he'd already set up and sue for peace. "Granted independence" --> immediately tried to reconquer it. Weird grant.>no it was a fake larpLibrary of Congress: "open to young men from all social strata." Its alumni include five hetmans - the supreme military commanders of the Cossack state. You said "no" with nothing. I cited the institution, its founding date, its enrollment, its curriculum, and its documented social composition. You responded with "pedophiliac Polish elite."You've gone from "Stalin taught you to read" to "ok Kyiv had a university but it was fake" to "ok it wasn't fake but Finland isn't real" in four posts.
If only you knew how brown things really are
>>533892557Russians made the top, and also the bottom, so made is your point?
Ukraine is a failed state.>ruled by Jews>all Ukrainians dead or in Europe/Russia>importing millions of Africansthere's your "Ukraine" lmao
Ukraine is the successor of Kyivan RusMuscovy is the successor of mongol barbarism
>>533892550kek
>>533892557>Reminder.jews lie about history
>>533892624Russians made those churches? Or the forest? I'm leaning towards forest, Russians are a good fertilizer.
>>533892645trvth nvke
>>533892672indeed, the muscovite ones are especially proficient at it
>>533892557the problem with this image is that you tacitly admit that the ukrainians are russian
>>533892726but then who are the moscovites?
>>533892550I don't get the OP image. Why is "Russia" misspelled and how is it fictional?
>>533892608We've already established Ukraine isn't a country. It was created by Lenin 1918. Before that, it was just Russian land. Ukraine means "border land" in Russian because that's all it really was.>Finland had its own parliament (1906), its own currency (markka, 1860), its own legal system, its own customs, and gave women the vote before any country in EuropeIt was a Russian territory up until Russia gave it independence after World War I. Don't get the facts twisted.>Finland DECLARED independence on December 6, 1917.No, Finland, was GRANTED independence by Russia. Finland never had the military power to do so, and had to rely on Russia giving it up due to internal problems at the time. In fact, you could argue the independence was illegal because of the Bolshevik Coup. >Library of CongressNot a source, because it's propaganda from the US government.
>>533892763because it's real name is Mosquew Khanate
>>533892624How could have russia made the top if it didn't even exist????Is this how the brown mind works?Is this why you are poor? Because you lack object permanence?
>>533892726nah, Ukrainians aren't bloodthirsty invaders, they also know what indoor toilets arealso Russian is a cope identity that muscovites gave themselves to mask the shame of being cultureless steppe mutts
>>533892763>how is it fictional?Every accusation is a confession.
>>533892796Why is the so-called russia losing to a fake country??????????????????Why are you getting emotionally invested in a conflict that doesn't concern you on a Sunday at 5 AM, Mike from DC oblast???????????????
>>533892823>nah, Ukrainians aren't bloodthirsty invadersYes they are, they've been invading Russian Crimea and Donbas since 2014
Why do Ukrainian worship a gay criminal (Bandera) and not the actual person responsible for Ukraine (Lenin)? Lenin created Ukraine out of Russia's borderlands, hence the name: Ukraina literally means borderland/border region. It's so funny when Ukrainians claim they came before Russia.>we just decided to call it "Borderland" OK?!What is it a borderland of?
reminder that moscovites are not european and not slavic, but rather mongol rapebabies larping as people
>>533892826when it comes from a puccia supporter, that is
>>533892866Russia is winning though? They've secured the primary objectives of the special military operation. Donbas is 99% liberated and Crimea is secure.
>>533892961>no uclassic
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transfer_of_Crimea_to_UkraineWhy is it so hard to give it back?
>>533892916Crimea and Donbas are immutably Ukraine
>>533892940>Why do Ukrainian worship a gay criminal (Bandera)I heard he was also Jewish, Satanic and demonic, but also devilish and ghoulish!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!IS your thesaurus broken, sister??????????????????
>>533892984Because russia clearly said in 1991 it had no territorial claims on Ukraine.Are you saying that russians are lying scumbags???????????????????????
>>533892550NIGGER PEREMOGA STATUS PIDORSKEKAROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
There will be no multishartlar world. Instead, the European system will be adopted everywhere. Moscow will be an appendix of Brussels, as it should be.
90 billions for TZD BTW
It derives from the Proto-Slavic root krajь (or krai), which fundamentally relates to:"Edge," "border," or "frontier" (from the Proto-Indo-European root krei, meaning "to cut").Related concepts include "cut" or "division" of land, "shore," "end," or a defined "region/territory."In context, ukraina was commonly understood as "borderland" or "frontier region"—referring to the southeastern border territories of medieval Slavic states, often near the steppe or during times of invasions (e.g., Tatar/Mongol periods). This is the mainstream scholarly view across many sources.WHY WOULD YOU CALL YOUR COUNTRY "BORDERLAND" IF YOU ARE INDEPENDENT?!you wouldn't
>>533892823>>533892987How could you not consider Ukrandians bloodthirsy when they started the Holodomor to starve Russian citizens by burning grain supplies
>>533892984It was never puccia's to give, just like how Kosovo never was yours
>>533893040>Because russia clearly said in 1991 it had no territorial claims on Ukraine.That was before Ukranians decided to be a forward operating base for Russian genocide. You can revoke a gift if the donee is acting like a nigger.
Whitest UkrannyKEKAROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>533893090mosquew will be a crater, sorry
>>533893134the schizo babble is reaching lethal levels with this onedo you also believe Genghis, Alexander, and Columbus were moskal?
>>533893137But they literally gave it. They didn't have to.
>>533893147
>>533893183Treaty of Brest-Litovsk (end result of a war you dumb fags caused) had Moscow agree to cease all attempts at influence in Eastern Europe, including Crimea. It's prospect EU territory. We have the moral right to be there and do not owe moskals a chance in geopolitics.
The historical error of moskals still existing will be corrected
>>533893147Imagine my shock, a Russian cum slurping serb. How do you people not die of shame being so subservient?
>>533893277The Treaty Of Brest-Litovsk doesn't apply to countries that don't exist anymore
When will the so-called russians stop dying??????????????What happened to russians tanks???????????????????T-14 sisters, are we on parade in The Kiev yet??????????????
tuabussy resultslooks like there are still enough oil cans for season 2
>>533893277>Treaty of Brest-Litovsk (end result of a war you dumb fags causedGermany caused WWI though And WW2
>>533893325he believes big brother rasha will reward him with influence and riches once European civilization is no more
>>533893100No answer. Don't worry, you'll get a chance to respond in the next thread too.
>>533893260Siding with Albanian jihadi coke dealers isn't a win you think it is>>533893277The Treaty of Brest-Litovsk was effectively superseded by the Treaty of Versailles (end result of a war you dumb fags caused)
>>533893368It was the Jews. Just like it was the Jews in Ukraine who started this war.
>>533893343Why is the so-called russia occupy the UN Security Council place left behind by the rightfully dead USSR?????????Could there be some sort of continuity in international affairs, sister?????????????????????Sister, were you told about those things at the Turban University of North Timbuktu?????????????????????
>>533893343>>533893380copeit appears we have to teach this lesson yet again, I'm thinking Caucasus
>please read and respond to my schizo rant about why the name Ukraine means it is actually russianno
>>533893325Imagine my shock, an Ukranian cum slurping leaf. How do you people not die of shame being so subservient?Did you even know Ukraine existed 10 years ago?
>>533893380>Siding with Albanian jihadi coke dealers isn't a win you think it isAlbania is joining the EU before Serbia! It means it's more civilised and less corrupt!!!!!Jesus Christ, how embarrassing!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>533893412Because without Russia you would be speaking German
>>533893100https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etymology_of_Denmark>Most handbooks derive[3] the first part of the word, and the name of the people, from a word meaning "flat land", related to German Tenne "threshing floor", English den "low ground", Sanskrit dhánus- (धनुस् "desert") [Sanskrit dhánus means 'bow', survived by its modern usage in Hindi]. The -mark means woodland or borderland (see marches), with probable references to the border forests in south Schleswig,[4] comparable to Finnmark, Telemark, or Dithmarschen.[5]
>>533893370he believes big brother Eurabia will reward him with influence and riches once Eurabian civilization expands to the marshes of pripyat
>arginetina planning falklands invasion with US approvalHe really hates NATO huh? Have NATO countries said anything? Hopefully this time Britain will trigger article 5 if Argentina invades so we can see where Trump stands.
>>533893445is a S*rb, part of THE most historically ignorant people in Europe, actually gonna mouth off about who knows who's past? L M F A O
>serb flag talking about cum slurpingjejaroo, these shills are so shameless
>>533893502So a Canadian would know more about Ukraine than a slavic eastern euro also post commie nation? You see how retarded you sound.
russia won, butthurt belt next then pooplacks and goymany
The so-called moscovy rightfully belongs to mongolia, which is confirmed by the mongolian slanted eyes every moscovite has
>>533893510Just give the lands back. You showed ingratitude. It's the right thing to do.
>>533892796>we've already established Ukraine isn't a countryYou established nothing. You asserted it, I cited dates and sources, you called the Library of Congress "US government propaganda." That's not establishing anything, that's coping out loud. But let's keep going, I'm having fun.>Ukraine means "borderland" in RussianKek. First: the word first appears in 1187 in the Kyivan Chronicle - in Old East Slavic, not Russian, which didn't exist as a distinct language yet. Second: the root "kraj" means "region" or "edge" depending on period and context, and Muscovy used the word "ukraina" for its OWN steppe borderlands too. By your logic, Russia also had non-countries inside itself. Third and most importantly: "Netherlands" literally means "low lands," "Norway" means "northern way," "Austria" means "eastern realm," and "Iraq" means "the shore." Do you think those aren't real countries either, or does the etymology argument only work when you need it to? Genuinely curious.>Finland was GRANTED independence, not declaredThe Finnish Parliament voted 100-88 on December 6, 1917, to adopt the Declaration of Independence. Lenin recognized it 25 days later because the Bolsheviks couldn't hold peripheral territories during their own civil war. That's not "granting." That's "failing to prevent.">the independence was illegal because of the Bolshevik CoupWait. So the Bolshevik government was an illegitimate coup AND it legitimately "granted" Finland independence? Which is it? Was it a real government that could grant things, or an illegal coup whose acts don't count? You have to pick one. You can't use them as a legitimate sovereign in one sentence and an illegal junta in the next. That's not how any of this works lmao.
>>533893480Don't worry, he probably hates his own country and people as well
>>533893566Prescriptive statements not backed by force are just wishful thinking.
>>533893566Russian controls Mongolia though?
>>533893538>slavicwhat a weird way to spell turk rape baby L M F A O
>>533893566get in the van xoxol
>>533892796>Library of Congress is not a source, it's US government propagandaThe Library of Congress is the largest library in the world. It holds 175 million items. It's cataloguing a Ukrainian-published history book from 1856. What exactly is the propaganda here - the existence of the book? Is the book not real? Are books US propaganda now?You're at the "rejecting primary sources because they make me feel bad" stage.
>>533893590[z]he is not actually danish
>>533893470What is wrong with Germany, sister???????????????????????Care to explain??????????????Do you think that nazis were.... LE BAD, like your leftie transsexual friends? Oh I'm sorry, "frens"?Would you like to post pedophiliac Japanese cartoon characters, my "antinazi" "fren"?????????????????????
There is no such thing as a Russian ethnicity, and any perceived genocides are similarly just figments of moskal imagination. All of it is Ukraine.
>>533893445No, and I hate home invading commies and especially their enablers and shills. Simple as
>>533893555but Russia lost, Zisterthey also don't have the guts to attack NATO territory, otherwise they would have done so in 2022
>>533893617We expelled them, you invite them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Muslims_during_the_Ottoman_declineThere are 7,000,000 ethnic turks in Germany. There are 850 in Serbia.
>>533893582>, I cited dates and sources, The US government isn't a source. That's propaganda. Its fictitious history. A fictional narrative no different than Shrek.>ek. First: the word first appears in 1187 in the Kyivan Chronicle - in Old East Slavic, not Russian,Kyiv was built and created by Russians, not Ukrandians. Ukrainian is a Russian word because Russians made it and everything Ukranda.>The Finnish Parliament voted 100-88 on December 6, 1917, tA totally illegal vote, recognized by the Bolsheviks, an illegal government set up by the Germans. It was never a real vote. Russia has a legal right to own Finland. >So the Bolshevik government was an illegitimate coup AND it legitimately "granted" Finland independence?The Bolshevik government illegally granted Finland independence. Find where I ever used the word legitimate. Pro tip - you won't.
>>533892984>why is it so hard to give it back?Let me walk you through this step by step since we're doing remedial international law today.In 1994, Ukraine had the third largest nuclear arsenal on the planet - 1,900 strategic warheads, more than Britain, France and China combined. Russia, the US, and the UK signed the Budapest Memorandum, in which Russia explicitly committed to "respect the independence and sovereignty and the existing borders of Ukraine" - borders which included Crimea. In exchange, Ukraine gave up every single warhead and transferred them to Russia for dismantlement.So the sequence is:>1954: Crimea transferred to Ukrainian SSR - legal administrative act within the USSR>1991: Ukraine independent with those borders, internationally recognized>1994: Russia signs Budapest Memorandum explicitly recognizing those borders including Crimea, Ukraine gives up nukes>1997: Russia signs Treaty on Friendship recognizing Ukrainian borders again>2009: Russia and US jointly reaffirm Budapest Memorandum commitments>2014: Russia takes Crimea anyway"Why is it so hard to give it back?" Because a country surrendered the world's third largest nuclear arsenal on a signed Russian promise not to do exactly what Russia then did. "Giving it back" means validating nuclear blackmail and proving that no nonproliferation agreement is worth the paper it's printed on. Every country on earth watching this situation learns the same lesson: never give up your nukes.You linked a Wikipedia article about the 1954 transfer as if that's the end of the story. It's not even the beginning. Russia signed away any claim to Crimea three separate times after 1991 - in exchange for 1,900 nuclear warheads.The real question isn't "why is it hard to give it back." It's "why does anyone ever trust Russia's signature on anything."
>>533893730they don't need to be in your country when they already engrained their genetics, my dear mutt in denial
>>533893796Don't forget about thishttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_on_the_Russian%E2%80%93Ukrainian_border
>Serb takes on the shill duty from Mike from Ohio oblast
>>533893631The Library Of Congress is located in a country that is the primary source of propaganda of Russia. Anybody using it as a source is a shill and not a serious person. You're basically just Radio Free Europe and VOA doing state propaganda for the US government.
>>533892796>you could argue the independence was illegal because of the Bolshevik CoupBut you see, the Bolshevik decisions are fine when they give you land. But they are evil and were wrong about everything. We should get rid of all the things Bolsheviks did and never respect their decisions*.*unless the Bolsheviks gave us stuff
>>533893843Did you know KLA never won a battle?
no one has ever been able to explain to me why ukraine shouldn’t have just welcomed the russian tanks in and rejoined russia at the beginning of the war. Russia is 3x richer than Ukraine per capita, and they were part of the same entity for centuries up until 30 years ago. Instead, they’ve sent hundreds of thousands of their young men to the meat grinder, millions of their young women to ride the cock carousel in western euro capitals, and sustained billions and billions of dollars worth of damage to infrastructure that will take decades to reconstruct just to get back to where they were, which was already a shithole. On top of all that, they’ve lost donbas anyways and are never getting it back. Congratulations on your impoverished, broken rump state, i hope the updoots from europeans on reddit was worth it
Another day, another DZD
>>5338938147 million dude. Your turkish population is greater than the whole of Serbia's.
>>533893843just the same mongoloid pidors switching up vpns
>>533893891>Bolsheviks were eeeebul Jews who killed millions of white people>actually, we are gonna LARP as the USSR and try to do everything the USSR did in all but the nameExplain this schizophrenia to me, sister??????????????????????????????????
>>533893796This is pop history not supported by the facts. The facts are Russia created Ukraine's borders.
>>533893918No, because nobody cares about your irrelevant country and your irrelevant history.Is there a single gas station in your country that isn't owned by China yet?
>>533893924Quite simple: Russia is more cucked than Europe. Many, many, many times more cucked. Their state media tells girls to seek out the blackest cocks possible and boys that they can go to actual jail for doing a heckin hate crime on a mixed couple. Would you join the more browned, anti-white, islamic, and generally cucked side in a conflict? No? Then you can't blame Ukraine for choosing Europe in 2014 and preferring death to muscovite rule since 2022.Just don't be a cuckold. Not a hard lesson, but Russians never even considered it.
>>533893948>it is confusing to me how a Serb would dislike a NAFO shill, it must be an Ivanhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_casualties_during_Operation_Allied_ForceYou're not harry potter. NAFO is not harry potter. Albanian dogs are not harry potter.
>>533893782>Kyiv was built and created by Russians, not Ukrandians"Ukrandians." You can't spell the ethnicity you're arguing doesn't exist lmao. But let's do the remedial history anyway.Kyiv was founded in 482 AD. Moscow was founded in 1147 - by Yuri Dolgoruky, a Kyivan prince of the Rurik dynasty who was buried at the Pechersk Lavra in Kyiv. Kyiv is 665 years older than Moscow. Russians didn't "build" Kyiv because Russians as a distinct group didn't exist when Kyiv was already a major city. Kyivan Rus' princes colonized the northeast (Suzdal, Vladimir, eventually Moscow) - not the other way around. You have the vector of civilizational transmission literally backwards.>the Bolshevik government illegally granted Finland independenceOk let's do some logic together. If all Bolshevik acts are illegal, then:The formation of the USSR in 1922 --- illegal.All internal borders drawn by the USSR ----> illegal.The Russian SFSR as a legal entity ---> illegal.The dissolution of the USSR in 1991, which created the Russian Federation in its current borders ----> based on illegal predecessor.Congratulations, you just argued Russia's own current borders have no legal basis. Kaliningrad? Illegal Soviet acquisition. Southern Kurils? Illegal. Tuva? Annexed by the illegal USSR in 1944. Karelia? Taken from Finland by the illegal USSR in 1940.You can't selectively apply "Bolshevik acts are illegal" only to outcomes you dislike while sitting on territory your country holds because of those same Bolsheviks. That's not jurisprudence, that's cope with a wig on.
>>533893976>Bolsheviks were eeeebul Jews who killed millions of white peopleUkranians say that and then ask for Bolshevik treaties to be respected.
>>533894017>Russia is more cucked than Europe>my evidence? A single webmdo you seriously believe your own bullshit
>>533894048Is the Budapest Memorandum a Bolshevik treaty, sister?????????????????????????????
pozzia LOST
>>533894012I mean you do, you are posting collages about my country. KLA never won a battle kek. Why are they so incompetent?
>>533893782>Russia has a legal right to own FinlandUnder what legal framework? Tsarist law? Abolished by the revolution. Soviet law? You just called that illegal. International law? Finland is a sovereign UN member state recognized by literally every country on earth including Russia. Treaty of Tartu 1920, Paris Peace Treaty 1947, all ratified. There is no legal framework in existence under which Russia "owns" Finland. You are inventing a jurisdiction that doesn't exist to claim ownership of a country that beat you twice.>Library of Congress is fiction, no different from ShrekI'm going to be honest with you anon, this is genuinely the funniest thing I've read all day. The Library of Congress - 175 million items, the single largest repository of human knowledge on the planet - is Shrek. Absolute kino take. I have nothing to add. You won that one through sheer force of absurdity.
>>533894061cope & seetheRussia = multiculti empire
>>533892916>>533892987Crimea and the Donbas are legally Ukraine. Perhaps they could be part of some other country in the future, but at the moment they're Ukrainian. The Kremlin is full of bloodthirsty invaders who have directed an invasion of Crimea, the Donbas, and the rest of Ukraine since 2014.
>>533894028>"Ukrandians." You can't spell the ethnicity you're arguing doesn't exist lmao.See, we know you're using a shitty LLM because it can't detect slurs. You're a retard.>Kyiv was founded in 482 AD. Moscow was founded in 1147 - by Yuri Dolgoruky, a Kyivan prince of the Rurik dynastySo Russians founded Kyiv. Kyivan Rus are Russians, not Ukrandians. Notice how you never use Ukrandians, in your arguments, but you do use Kyvians who are Rus and not Ukrandians.
>>533894103
>>533892599>muh j000000zGo back to /chug/, vatnik.
>>533894065*except in self-defence or otherwise in accordance with the Charter of the United NationsWhat the Russians did was a humanitarian intervention. It's called the Clinton Doctrine, sweety.
how many more mongoloids will pooten send out to die before he gets gaddafi'd?everybody knows pozzia already lost
>>533894124>Crimea and the Donbas are legally Ukraine.Kosovo was legally Serbia. You reap what you sow, anglokike.
>>533894152Ukraine did a humanitarian intervention in the Kursk region to protect the local Ukrainian population from the Moscow regime!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Right now, the US and Israel are protecting the people of Iran from the oppressive Islamic Republic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Do you now understand how much of a fucking moron you are, sister?????????????????????
>>533894149>NO Ulmao, lakhtopidor all out of ideas again.How do you rate the ethnic Russianness of the Chechen cocks that banged your sister and mother? And how do you like Ranjeet's all ethnic puccian loli harem?
>>533894160You are LITERALLY IN HIDING. You can't go to the store to buy bread.
>>533894072Morning Anon, resist and kill ziggers>>533894074Your country it's irrelevant kek
>>533893862>Library of Congress is anti-Russia propagandaAnon I need you to sit down for this one because it's going to be educational.The Library of Congress holds over 840,000 titles in the Russian language. It is the largest collection of Russian materials outside of Russia itself. It holds the archives of the Soviet Communist Party and Soviet State on microfilm - directly from Russian archives in Moscow. It holds pre-revolutionary Russian silent films. It holds Russian imperial census records. It holds the 80,000-volume Yudin Collection purchased from Krasnoyarsk, Siberia, in 1906. It holds Soviet children's books, tsarist-era maps, Russian Orthodox Church records, and even Pravda on microfilm.The specific source I cited? A history of Kyiv-Mohyla Academy published in Kyiv in 1856 by the University Press - during the Russian Empire, under the Russian Tsar, within the Russian imperial university system. You are calling a book published under your own empire's authority "US propaganda" because an American library preserved it.The Library of Congress doesn't produce scholarship. It catalogs and preserves documents from every country on earth, including - and I cannot stress this enough - Russia's own documents, Russia's own archives, Russia's own publications. If the Library of Congress is anti-Russia propaganda, then the Russian-language materials it holds, sourced directly from Russian archives, are also propaganda - which means you just invalidated your own country's historical record.
>>533894139You are a communist and a faggot
>>533894124>legally Ukrainelmfao. I could write a legal deed to crimea and the donbas on a piece of toilet paper and clean my asshole with it, and that would give me precisely the same amount of authority over the territory that ukraine has
>>533894181>serbian arrives to suck russian cockMany such cases!
What blew up in Russia this time that caused all the seething?
>>533894181unlike Crimea and Donbas, Kosovo actively chose to not be part of Serbia
>>533893480"flat land" and "low land" are perfect descriptors of this country. Do you think people saw Ukraine and thought >"Wow, this looks like a borderland!">-"Borderland of what?">"Dunno yet. In the future there will be a big country right next to us and then our name will make perfect sense!"
>>533894200>Ukraine did a humanitarian intervention in the Kursk region to protect the local Ukrainian population from the Moscow regimeThat skirmish can hardly be called an intervention. Why are they so incompetent? If you want to be the world police you need to be able to do something other than retreat.
>>533894083>Under what legal framework? Tsarist law? Abolished by the revolution.An illegal coup, not a revolution. Finnish Independence was nothing more than an illegitimate rebellion allowed by an illegitimate, communist regime. Nothing about Finland is legitimate.
>>533894219Commie
>>533894242>That skirmish can hardly be called an intervention. Says who, your baba and your drunk pop???????????????????????????????
>>533894139>Detecting slursI do know what you were doing, it's just, it still such a niche, Russian propaganda-coded "slur" that it's just beneath me to even get touch offended by it lmao, my dear VPN ruslim.
>>533894215He will just make some shit up about fake documents or some shit. Communists are inherently illogical animals.
>>533894216You wouldn't call me a communist, or a faggot, to my face because you wouldn't live to see tomorrow.
I mean I don't mind 5 more millions dead russniggers, if they don't mind their women being fucked by niggers and jeets that are replacing them.
>>533894202notice how i posted a statistic and you’re posting anecdotal slop. if you were smart you’d post a statistic about how russia is muslim or whatever because of the asiatic people they have, but we both know that ukraine’s choice between europe and russia has nothing to do with the perceived level of basedness each has, rendering this entire discussion moot. Now why don’t you try answering the question i initially posed
NATO simply never did anything wrong.
>>533892550TZD
>>533894231In Crimea everyone speaks Russian.
>>533894276He might as well be doing a bit but thing is, it's functionally irrelevant if he's a genuine article or just "pretending".
>>533894281You're a big boy, aren't ya? Huffing his own farts and carressing his nipples?
>>533893100STILL NO ANSWER HAHAHABTFO ALL YOU GLOWIES, JEWS, DISCORD TRANNIES AND HOHOLSTAKE THE L FAGGOTSYou're all on discord plotting the perfect response. All hands on deck. NAFO trannies getting called to do research to show why an independent country would call itself "Borderland".
>>533894283Statistics aren't needed to prove the obvious fact that Russia is more cucked than Europe.>>533894307Not for long.
Four more years of total zigger death and russia may take what's left of Donbabwe!
>>533894307In Ukraine everyone speaks Russian.
>>533894276>Communists are inherently illogical animals.But when communist are drawing borders they are infallible like the pope.
>>533894307Why didn't Serbia recognize the russian chutzpah in the Crimea, sister??????????????????Your own government thinks you're full of shit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
90 billions for TZDchop-chop zigger, the drone awaits
>>533894330>Not for long.14 days?
>>533893100I once asked a pro-Ukrainian Belarusian guy about this, and he said that - yes, ukraine does mean borderlands.
>>533893782Oh, it's you again.By your logic the USA, the state you're living in, is an illegitimate state, as nothing was ever granted to it. So when are you giving back the states to the crown?
>>533894139>I may get brutally mogged but I win because when I said a slur and you haven't responded to it to my satisfactionThis is beyond pathetic
>>533894389I give rasha a year max before collapse.
>>533894374We were slurping too much cum so we couldn't get to it
>>533894245That means that the current russian regime is illegimate too by your logic
>>533894181>Kosovo was legally Serbia. You reap what you sow, anglokike.These cases are not even related, but whatever. Have you ever actually met a Russian? That should be argument enough for you.
>>533894389Is this after The Kiev is taken, sister?????????????????????????????????????????
>>533894283TZD
>>533894410Did you ask him what is it a borderland of?
>>533894374Why do you spam question marks and exclamation points
>>533894371Commies were always good at making border gore, because it functioned as a Soviet failsafe against breakup. Create border gore so that you create conflict, which makes the states around you weaker, which makes you more able to invade and succeed. Oldest trick in the book.
I wonder which flavor of ethnic Russian the Serb prefers. Slanted or brown. Given his Turk heritage, he probably enjoys a combination of both.
>>533894453No
>>533894245>nothing about Finland is legitimateAnon I want you to follow this very carefully because I'm going to do it slowly.Russia recognized Finnish independence on December 31, 1917. You say that was illegitimate because the Bolsheviks were an illegal coup. Ok.Russia signed the Treaty of Tartu on October 14, 1920, formally recognizing Finnish sovereignty and borders. Registered with the League of Nations. Was that also illegitimate?The USSR signed the Paris Peace Treaty in 1947 with Finland. Illegitimate too?The USSR signed the Helsinki Final Act in 1975 recognizing the inviolability of European borders -including Finland's. That one fake too?The Russian Federation, as legal successor to the USSR, inherited and continued all treaty obligations recognizing Finland. Russia has an embassy in Helsinki right now. The Russian Federation votes alongside Finland in the UN General Assembly as fellow sovereign member states. Russia recognized Finland's EU accession. Russia was formally notified of Finland's NATO accession in 2023.So which Russian government do you accept as legitimate? Not the Bolsheviks - illegal coup. Not the USSR - built by the illegal coup. Not the Russian Federation - legal successor to the illegal USSR. You've eliminated every Russian government since 1917 from having legal authority.Under your framework there is no legitimate Russian state and there hasn't been one for 109 years. You're not arguing that Finland is illegitimate. You're arguing that Russia is. And you don't even realize it.>Russia has a legal right to own FinlandRussia can't even hold Kursk lmao. Finland joined NATO, has a 1,340km border with Russia, universal conscription, the largest artillery force in Western Europe, and 900,000 trained reservists. Come get your "legal right" whenever you're ready. We'll leave the light on.
>>533894463Jewish neuroses.
>>533894433Not really because the USSR dissolved. It wasn't overthrown. And it was never a legitimate government.
>>533894181I looked this up anyway:>The 2008 Kosovo declaration of independence, which proclaimed the Republic of Kosovo to be an independent and sovereign state>Serbia sought international validation and support for its stance that the declaration was illegal, and in October 2008 requested an advisory opinion from the International Court of Justice.[3] The Court determined that the declaration did not violate international law.[4]>the 2013 Brussels deal between Belgrade and Pristina which abolished all of the Republic of Serbia's institutions in Kosovohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Kosovo_declaration_of_independenceTLDR: Kosovo declaring independence wasn't illegal. Also I looked at stats a while ago which I think showed overwhelming support in Kosovo for independence. This is entirely unlike the Donbas and Crimea. We don't know how much public support there is in those territories for being part of Russia. Russia invaded those areas and held sham "referendums". They might as well have said that 140% of the public supported joining Russia.>>533894219Of course that is false. You don't have the authority to decide who owns what territory. That is for bodies such as the UN and the International Court of Justice.>>533894245It looks like Finland has diplomatic relations with nearly every country in the world (pic related). Therefore Finland is a legitimate state. You could even argue that some states which only have limited international recognition (e.g. Palestine and Taiwan) are still legitimate states.
>>533894436Bitches and faggots kekHangs yourselfs
>>533894490Hint: it is a borderland of Russia created after Russia
>>533894533It is the borderland of Europe you absolute nigger.
>>533894497Neither is current russian regime then.
>>533894497Ivan, when will you return the states tot he crown?
>>533894491Anon there is no point in arguing, you are wasting time
>>533894435>These cases are not even related, but whateverHow are they not related, tard? Both proclaimed independence based on the same principle.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-determinationhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosovo_independence_precedent
>>533894491An illegitimate, illegal regime signing treaties don't make it real. Nothing the USSR did was legitimate because is a rogue regime. Any decrees, declarations, laws by it are null and void. Simple as.
>>533894471>which makes you more able to invade and succeedThey never thought they would have to invade their own country. It was done to balance the power in favor of smaller states.
new yugorussia is the geostrategic solve-all of our time
>>533894574Ask Israel because they control the US
>>533894565Do you think people back then had concepts of continents? Do you think they considered "Europe" a single whole? Do you think they determined where Europe ends and begins? Of course they didn't, you stupid fucking frog.
>>533894623What even is this megacope
>>533894592>nothing the USSR did was legitimate, all null and voidThe Russian Federation is the legal successor state to the USSR. Its borders, its UN Security Council seat, its nuclear arsenal, its constitution - all inherited from the "rogue regime." If everything the USSR did is null and void, Russia's own statehood is null and void. Thanks for playing and get ready for some brooming.
don't you find it funny how a vpnigger swaps to another flag every thread and proceed to shill the same sentences as if nobody notices
>>533894592Kek fake news
>>533894643Get the fuck out of my continent back to Russia
>>533894592Ivan, when will you return the states to the crown?
>>533892796Russia is literally a 30 year old fake country with no common ethnicity, culture or language.
>>533894638So you are agreeing, the states should be returned to the crown?
>>533894653gotta do a lot of doublethink to be part of the "mongol invaders are actually da gud guys" delusion nowadays
>>533894663It's more funny when a missile hit their house
>>533894674Western Russia is in Europe as Europe is typically defined as ending in the Ural mountains.
>>533894508>showed overwhelming support in Kosovo for independence. This is entirely unlike the Donbas and CrimeaSource your ass. All Crimeans speak Russian.
>>533894674>no argumentsstupid little froggy.
>>533894565>It is the borderland of Europe you absolute nigger.lmao what a tard
I almost forgor. >Cofi status?
>>533894710and with a name stolen from one of their neighborstheir entire "country" is a larp
>>533894662The Russian Federation is the legal successor to Imperial Russia, and has legal ownership to the USSR's assets, but not its obligations which were made illegaly due to the western, german backed coup of the legitimate Russian government.
>Operators of the Zozulya middle strike drone caught a Russian Tornado-S MLRS while it was heading along a highway in Crimea towards the Zaporizhia region.
the Black Sea shall belong to the third Rome (aka the European Union)
>>533894653>What even is this megacopeThey gave Crimea to Ukraine in order to more easily invade Ukraine? Now that's gigacope.
>>533894767Move to Russia then
>>533894643And what is this niggershit. You're denying your own history. Romans thought denmark was basically the worlds end.
>>533894743You are correct and we should take back those territories.>>533894748>engage with my schizo rants no, eat a drone>>533894760It is literally the borderland between the christian world (Europe) and the savage steppe. It has nothing to do with Russia, and existed before Russia did.
>>533894710The British Crown and the United States are both vassals to Israel. Giving it back to the crown means nothing.
>>533894767delusionalobviously Russia will observe our interests before its own
>>533894674>my continentmolon labe
>>533894700>with no common ethnicity, culture or language.By this logic India, Pakistan, Indonesia, Iran, Turkey and other big multicultural countries are fake
>>533894767>only some things are legitimate and others are notRussia is a fake country according to you, and has been illegally occupying permanent seat in UN security council.
>>533894823What does that have to do with "Ukraine" meaning "Borderland [of Russia]"?
>>533894814Where the fuck am I talking about Crimea you cumchugging niggerfaggot? If you will be unable to show to me where I am talking about Crimea, don't reply to this post. If you reply with some other megacope, you will be ignored like the strawmaning faggot you are.
>>533894845>molon labeYou are not greek
>>533894856imagine what the UN could be if we kicked all so-called superpowers out of the UNSC
>>533894856Russia isn't a fake country because its older than Finland and it made UkraineThe USSR was a fake country created by Germans and Jews
>>533894827>and we should take back those territories.Are you Napoleon
>>533894827You already engaged and you got BTFO'd and now you're like "I'm not engaging!" Take a shower you smelly frog.
>>533894862It means frontier of the rus people.
>>533894827>It is literally the borderland between the christian world (Europe) and the savage steppeNo. It can either be polish borderland or russian borderland. Russia is not unchristian.
>>533894919That's what I said, Borderland of Russia.
>>533894577The Kosovo one started with systemic genocide. Ukrainian state never persecuted Russians systemically.
>>533894901Russia is a fake country because it is younger than both Finland and Ukraine.
>>533894901refer to >>533892557
>>533894767Ok class, let's slow this right down. I can see we're struggling with some foundational concepts today so I've prepared flash cards.FLASH CARD 1: What is a continuator state?Russia didn't call itself a "successor" to the USSR. Russia's own Foreign Minister Kozyrev stated in 1992: "Russia is not a legal successor, but a continuing state of the USSR." This means Russia IS the USSR, renamed. Not a new state that inherited some things - the same legal entity, continuous and unbroken. Russia's own government said this. This is not my characterization, it's theirs.FLASH CARD 2: The Latin phrase you needThere is a principle in law called nemo commodum capere potest de iniuria sua propria -no one may profit from their own wrongdoing. There is another one: pacta sunt servanda - agreements must be kept. There is no principle anywhere in any legal tradition, in any jurisdiction, at any point in history, that says "commoda sine oneribus" - "assets without obligations." You invented a legal doctrine that does not exist. You are the first human being to argue this with a straight face. Congratulations kek.FLASH CARD 3: How Russia actually got its UN seatOn January 13, 1992, Russia notified all foreign diplomatic missions that it "continued to exercise the rights AND fulfil the obligations arising from international treaties concluded by the USSR." RIGHTS. AND. OBLIGATIONS. That's a direct quote from the Russian government's own diplomatic note. They explicitly accepted obligations. That is how they got the UN Security Council seat, the nuclear arsenal, the embassies, and the treaty framework. The other members agreed on that basis. No obligations = no seat, no nukes, no embassies, no international recognition. Package deal.
>>533894904>out of arguments reverts to insultstypical>>533894931It is, and it definitely was when the name was stamped.
>>533894879I am at least 10% greek
>>533894829Yes or no, Ivan. It's really not that hard.
>>533894901>>533894958You're both wrong. Countries aren't more fake or real based on age. What does that even mean?
>>533894953>The Kosovo one started with systemic genocideSource? >Ukrainian state never persecuted Russians systemically.Cope
>>533894849Yes.>>533894767The russian federation is a 30 year old fake country.
they come to agitate, but leave agitatedmuch like how moskal invaders came to kill, but got killed
>>533894766He's dead but he looks happy his 6 million ruble replacement is almost fully hooved
>>533894958>>533894965This is such a retarded take even for pro-UA. If Russia came into existence in 1991 then so did Ukraine, you stupid fuck. You're all a bunch of retarded monkeys lmao
>>533894995East Germany is the legitimate successor to the German Empire and Nazi Germany because it was actually white, unlike West Germany
>>533895012Fuck if I know, it is funny though
>>533894767FLASH CARD 4: The thing you actually saidYour position is: "We keep the USSR's Security Council veto, nuclear weapons, embassies, territory, and international recognition, but none of its treaty obligations toward countries we'd like to invade." That's not law. That's not even an argument. That's a child eating all the candy and saying the wrapper was someone else's responsibility.FLASH CARD 5: Imperial RussiaYou said "the Russian Federation is the legal successor to Imperial Russia." It isn't. The Bolsheviks explicitly repudiated all imperial treaties and obligations in 1917-1918. The legal chain goes Russian Empire - (broken by revolution) - USSR - Russian Federation (continuator). There is no legal continuity between the Russian Empire and the RF. Your own country severed it. You cannot leapfrog over 74 years of Soviet statehood to claim imperial inheritance while simultaneously claiming the USSR was illegitimate. The USSR is the bridge, and you just burned it.Class dismissed. There will be a quiz on Monday but I already know how it's going to go.
>>533894975You're the first one who ran out of argument, FROG.FROGGY FROG
>>533895030Yeah, I don't see how states are fake just because they're multicultural. I suppose some semantics have to he untangled.
>>533895053>That's not law. That's not even an argument. That's a child eating all the candy and saying the wrapper was someone else's responsibility.KYS gptnigger
>>533895067You're getting emotional, calm down now. It's okay to be proven wrong.
>>533895039Is that guy alright :(
>>533894941see >>533892645
>>533894941https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rus%27_people>originally Norsemen, mainly originating from present-day Sweden, who settled and ruled along the river-routes between the Baltic and the Black Sea from around the 8th to 11th centuries AD.
>>533895053Russia can keep the assets of the USSR because the USSR stole everything from it, yesIt doesn't have uphold its fake treaties because Russia never consented to being overthrown by jewsNothing the Bolsheviks did was legitimate or legal
>>533895101You're the one who got BTFO'd, frogster. You said Ukraine was a borderland of Europe LMAO. Then quickly shut the fuck up after.
>>533895045Answer the question, ivan. Are the united states illegitimate and should be returned to the crown?
>>533895143You're arguing with Sam Altmans kikebot.
>>533895122To be fair that's where zisters belong
>>533895159Because it is factual, reality does not care about your HRT-altered feelings
>>533895143So, current Russia is fake country then, because it was created by illegimate USSR
>>533895130I invented Ukraine and Russia? >>533895164That would be good. The US is a loose cannon
>>533895130Nothing in there about the creation of the Ukraine.
>>533895014Literally only state-owned media claim otherwise.
>>533895164The United States is property of Israel and so is the United Kingdom. Giving the United States to the British crown does not change anything.
>>533892550>Russia is a fake country>Not UkraineThis is your brain on NAFO.
>>533895193Russia's not a country, its a joke
>>533895240Not just fake, but imminently balkanizing too. Kremlputsch soon.
>>533895189The Serbanon and Swedeanon have told you you're retarded. But you know what, you're right bro. Tell everyone around you that Ukraine is the borderland of Europe. Seriously, they will be impressed by your knowledge. Don't listen to me, follow your froggy heart.
>>533894302nato is just jew zog west. The NSDAP is what you shoild idolize, but youre a cuckold german brainwashed by decades of jew propaganda.
>>533895240>the spokesperson of the UAF everyonelmao
>>533895240It's possible for them to both be fake and gay
>>533895084>can't address a single point in the post>calls it AI because it has paragraph structureAnon the fact that you see a coherent argument and your first instinct is "no human could have written this" says more about the company you keep than it does about me. Some of us finished school.Now which flash card specifically are you disputing or are we done here?
>>533895227Systemic genocide in Kosovo. Provide a source.
>>533895278>but how can I be wrong if my two discord friends agree with meRussia is named after Ukraine (from Kyivan Rus), not the way around. Stop coping and learn
>>533895240That's a fact. Remind me, was it Kievan Rus or Moscowan Rus?
yup, exposing the russo LARP gets them real upset. Take notice.
>>533895159He’s right tho. “Borderland” terminology predates Russia entirely. You shills know we have internet right?
>>533895315You support muscovite land grabs, therefore you are a ZOG servant.
>>533894744>All Crimeans speak RussianEven if that were true (it probably isn't) it wouldn't necessarily mean that all Crimeans want Crimea to be part of Russia.
>>533895361Here you go:https://cdn.osce.org/sites/default/files/f/documents/d/d/17772.pdf
>>533895340>calls it AI because it has paragraph structureAmong other things. I use AI often and I have to wrangle it to not sound like you.>That's not X. That's not even Y. That's a Z.https://www.blakestockton.com/dont-write-like-ai-1-101-negation/You're not clever.
>>533895368>>533895407THEN WHAT IS IT A "BORDERLAND" OF?! Why would anyone call themselves "Borderlandpeople" if they were their own thing? It doesn't make sense.Or did the Ukrainians know they'll cuck out to someone eventually so by calling themselves "borderland" they ensured they could be conquered by anyone and keep their name. Is that your argument?
>>533893726freeze to death )))))))))))
>>533895500It is the borderland of the CHRISTIAN WORLD (Europe) you dumb fuck, I told you twice.
>>533895457And why would they? In the 12 years of occupation, Russia gave Crimeans nothing but misery, water shortages, and exploitation.
>>533895457I think Crimea might be the one oblast that actually is pro-Russian to the extent claimed
>>533894003So Russians are so afraid of Ukrainians that they have been giving them land, for hundreds of years?
>>533895457These shills might as well say Americans want to reunify with you while they’re at it because muh language
>>533895233Why can't you answer the question, ivan? A simple yes or no.
>>533895465Outdated propaganda that was used as a preface for bombing.https://www.upi.com/Archives/2001/09/07/UN-court-rules-no-genocide-in-Kosovo/5224999835200/
>>533895457>it probably isn'tNever ever ever check it.
>>533895526You can say it a million times it won't make it true, frogsworth. Were the Vikings who came to eastern europe Christian?
>>533892550When will the pigkraine stop losing?
>>533895465>>533895603I don't believe that either of you have read that whole document
>>533895164>Be USA>Don't have referendum>Be Donetsk, Lugansk and Crimea>Have referendumBy the way, the United States didn't even have a direct referendum, the colonies themselves sent delegates from among the pro-independence movement to draft the Declaration of Independence. This is the dumbest general on 4chan though.
>>533895500The same reason Austrians call themselves the eastern region you fucking gorilla.
>>533895275Really as imminently as the general mobilization you said was imminently going to happen.....2 months ago?
>>533895658I don't want to waste time reading the made up reporthttps://www.theguardian.com/world/1999/nov/11/balkans.unitednations
>>533895726You're not arguing in good faith
>>533895674Without Kyiv-organized and West-observed referendums, it can safely be concluded that Donbas and Crimea wish to remain part of Ukraine.
Tuapse
>>533895726You could also have called him on it, since he probably hasn't read it either
>>533895766>it can safely be concluded that Donbas and Crimea wish to remain part of Ukraine.Can it?
>>533895674>Elections/referendums under duress are just as legitimate as normal electionsGet admitted to a mental health institution today.
>>533895492>I use AI often and I have to wrangle it to not sound like youSo you use AI to generate your arguments but I'm the one who's not clever? Kek. Also LLMs are trained on human text - identifying a rhetorical pattern as "AI" is just identifying structured human speech that you're not used to seeing because your feed is illiterate shills and rage bait. Stylometric analysis or cope, pick one.Anyway, you asked for sources on Kosovo. Here:ICTY convictions:— Milutinović et al., IT-05-87 (2009). Five senior Serbian officials convicted. Joint criminal enterprise to ethnically restructure Kosovo through deportation, murder, sexual assault, destruction of mosques. Upheld on appeal 2014.— Đorđević, IT-05-87/1 (2011). Serbian MUP chief convicted of deportation, murder, persecution. 27 years.— Milošević, IT-02-54. Indicted for forced deportation of ~800,000 Albanians, murder, persecution. Died before verdict.**Documented massacres (ICTY / HRW):Račak (45), Meja (~377), Krusha e Madhe (241), Izbica (~146), Pastasel (106 executed), Vushtrri (100+), Suva Reka (48 from one family including infants). Bodies hidden in refrigerator trucks and driven to mass graves in Serbia proper.Humanitarian Law Center, Belgrade (a Serbian institution):13,517 killed/missing. 8,661 Albanian civilians. 860,000 expelled in 12 weeks. 225 of 498 mosques damaged or destroyed.Sources: HRW Under Orders (2001), OSCE Kosovo Verification Mission reports, U.S. State Dept Ethnic Cleansing in Kosovo (1999), ICTY transcripts at icty.org.The casualty database was compiled by a Serbian NGO based in Belgrade. Dispute that one.
>>533895709I'd general mobilization wasn't imminent, Lakhta wouldn't be commanding you to post ukrovan memes. You're transparent. You have no secrets from me.
>>533895766Be 100% honest, do you actually believe that about Crimea?
>>533895369It was actually just called Rus otherwise there would be ethnic groups called "Kievan Rusyns" or "Kievan Ruthenians". Before Kiev was the capital, Novgorod was. The Rurikids originated from Lake Ladoga IIRC. "Kievan Rus" is just a modernism, the lands corresponding to Moscow and Ukraine were both Rus.
>>533895789Absolutely. The West is fair and honest. Don't make us send more reminders.
>>533895809Use more greentext please
>>533895693Because they were the EASTERN part of Duchy of Bavaria. I ask again, what is Ukraine the borderland of?
>>533895779>that much green still availableyum
>>533895817Yes. Beyond Crimeans having nothing to gain from being Russian, not even Russians want to be Russian.
>>533895809Also, I don't think it follows from what he said that he uses them to make arguments here
>>533895752Ctrl-f, type genocide. No relevant claims. I won't entertain Shiptar timewasting tactics.
>>533895635Converted quickly, and Kyivan Rus' wasn't called Ukraine back then.Maybe just learn about the topic you try to weigh in before you try to do so. Fucking tourist>>533895817We have testimonies from Girkin himself, what do you mean, "believe". The nigger told us he rounded up people and made them vote at gunpoint>>533895858OF EUROPE
>>533895214Unironically yes.>>533895216https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kievan_Rus%27Kyiv was simply an outpost colony at the frontier and the people called it like that. Ironically moscow was the same, but the people called the country after themselves. It's really not that hard.
>>533895858Civilization against barbarian eastern hordes.Simple as.
>>533895847Define west
>>533895809So no genocide verdict? Thanks.
>>533895791Under duress according to who? Nations like the US and UK who are thousands of miles away and wish to influence the politics of this country to their own aims? under the guise of democracy while denying democratic outcomes they dislike of course. In other countries on the doorstep of another nuclear power lmao.Also Crimea was historically always Russian and so was Donetsk, actually so was the entirety of Ukraine but the history is more complicated.
baking, sec
>>533895766Yes, we need the west to create elections in other countries that give the west the results it wants.>Anon learns democracy is a tool of empire
>>533895920>Civilization against barbarian eastern hordes.Ukraine is civilization in 2026...
>>533892726not in the sense of the modern day Russian Pidoration. Muscovy just stole the name 'Rus' because they wanted to distance themselves from being a Mongol tribute collector & vassal state.MUSCOVVIA DELENDA EST
>>533895944Correct - it was "only" crimes against humanity, war crimes, deportation of 860,000 people, and mass graves hidden in refrigerator trucks. The genocide conviction is Srebrenica, where your guys did 8,000 in a week. Glad we could clarify which atrocity you're defending.
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>>533895918It doesn't cover Ukraine. I see Cumans moving into the territory of Ukraine. Is that what Ukrainians are? Cumans?
>>533895858Ok, that one made me actually laugh. So ukraine should incorporated into germany now?
>>533895995Barbarian eastern hordes have existed for a long while
>>533896016So no genocide in Kosovo?
>>533895858You’ve been told a hundred times, civilization and the steppes. the border where European empires begin to meet the steppesWhy did the term predate russia?
>>533895893Do we have any polls to go by? Some of the Ukrainian commentators I follow deem it to be pro-Russian.>>533895914I'm not talking about the referendum>>533895918Yes to which part
>>533896028Reminder that you can thank Rus for removing Turkic tribes from Europe and pushing them out into Asia anytime, though. This sort of applies to the Ottomans too. Much Balkan and Russian blood was shed for that.
>>533896118Tatarstan, and Bashkortostan are west of the Ural mountains
>>533895779Hope Ukraine wont leave the job half done. Millions of ziggers must sniff to the last oil drop
>>533895842"RUS" meaned something like "country". Like deutchLAND or finLAND that have "land" in their names. There was white rus, black rus, red rus, kevan rus etc. Modern russia never was named "rus" or "russia" until Peter 1 like 300 years ago decided that "rus" contries had their history and identity while moscovia was sucking asian dicks. And he decided to steal the name - that's how russia got it's name.
>>533895693not really. Austria has its name because it was the easternmost kingdom of the 1st German Empire - a later expansion of it founded by Bavarians.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_of_Ukraine>In context, Ukraina referred to the territory of the Principality of Pereyaslavl, which was located between Kievan Rus' heartland in the Middle Dnieper region to the west, and the Pontic–Caspian steppe to the southeast, which the Rus' chronicles customarily referred to as "the land of the Polovtsi". Ukraine came to mean 'steppe frontier' or 'steppe borderland' in the Ukrainian, Polish and Russian languages thereafter.so it originally referred to the steppe / borderlands of the Kievan Rus (the original Rus). pic related for the principality in question east of Kiev
>>533893441fixed
>>533895082The origin of the word nation is from the latin word "natio", which in greek is "ethnos", which you may notice is the base for the word ethnicity. Originally, before very recent abstractions, the meaning of a nation and an ethnicity were one and the same, as the ethnic group defined the nation. One would not call Rome a nation, it was an empire of the nation of Italy, and held within in many others. If an entity is not ethnically homogenous with a shared culture, language and heritage, it is some manner of federation, empire or the like, which are not nations but encompass them. Just so, russia too is effectively an empire of muscovites, or a confederation they dominate.In my view, when one of these supranational entities try to masquerade as a unified nation, they lose all legitimacy.
>>533896576>Königsberg belongs to PolandI object. either it returns to us or Lithuania gets it as it was populated by Balts prior to Germanization
also Kuban obviously needs to return to Ukraine
>>533896576an acceptable amendment
>>533896642As an addition, it would be even more accurate to call the empire of Rome the empire of the city of Rome, but what we call modern Italy was the heartland of the empire even if technically it was centered on one city.
>>533895810Is that so kraut fag? Then when is the "immanent" mobilization going to happen?
>>533896576I would ask the territories that originally belonged to us to be returned de-pidorised, but will accept this even without it.
>>533896475There was only one Rus and it was dynastically ruled by the Rurikid family and their princes on each state. It was a united East Slavic polity. Moscow became a prominent city in like what, principality of Tver or something? It's surrounded by some of the most historic Rus cities. Literally what are you talking about.
>>533894512COPEANDSEETHECOMMIESHITSKIN:))))
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>>533897065I bet you also dream about being a woman. Too bad that too, is just a dream.
