So, I had a long discussion with a liberal/leftist friend of mine tonight. He thinks I've been conned by voting for Trump, despite my acknowledgements that I never really expected much more than this, but what really struck me were his views on the world. In particular, he let me know what he still regularly watches Hasan, Vaush, some other random leftist YouTubers. As much as I think he's an intelligent person, especially outside of political matters, it became clear to me that liberals are going to keep losing hard, even IF Dems eek out a slight majority in the 2026 midterms. Here is a sampling of the average liberal/leftist beliefs:1. AI is nothingburger. They think that AI has been over hyped by tech companies and that it will dramatically under deliver. They think maybe some secretary type jobs will be eliminated but that's it. They are literally unable to fathom the possibility that over 50% of white collar work currently being done can be automated by AI within a couple of years. They believe this while simultaneously admitting that AI has made it very difficult for new comp sci grads to get degrees2. Mass disiennfranchisment of TrumpersThis isn't really politically tenable, but they unironically think that Trump voters should lose their right to vote, in any election, for a period of time, and that they should have to enter into re-education camps or some kind of sensitivity training to atone for their politically erroneous beliefs. They think that this won't backfire, and that this would be good for the body politic3. Independents, as registered, will overwhelmingly back Dems in fall 2026This one I think is the most likely, but I still wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't happen. Lots of time between now and November. Honestly I barely even consider myself conservative or a Trump supporter anymore, but listening to all this was funny as fuck and I kind of had to stifle my laughter. Liberals really have no idea how hard the vibe has shifted
>>533893957They're going to lose the midterms now that they tried (and failed) to kill trump again, so nice job libbies. They had it in the bag but managed to fuck it up for themselves.
>>533893957> liberal/leftist friendpick the right meme coin next time so you won't have to tolerate being around garbage like that didn't read
Too long didn't read.
>>533894075Actually if they "lose" the midterms and tru.p et all arent thrown in cla cell for life, thats when the actual assassination attempts will begin.
liberals/leftists/(marxian) socialists/communists/etc view politics like a sport because it isnt existential to them. if they lose an election, they can and do just shrug and say "we'll trick em next time!"
>>533894159Oh so scary. Is it still an assassination if you are shooting yourself in the head?
>>533893957>They think that AI has been over hyped by tech companies and that it will dramatically under deliver.That seems reasonable
>>533893957There was other stuff too but they are still in disbelief. They don't believe that any right wing person is acting/voting out of any kind of genuine self interest. They think all right wingers are just genuinely evil or actually retarded. They still have absolutely no theory of mind for their opposition. It really kind of blows my mind. They haven't integrated any understanding of why rapidly changing demographics are bad, or even why, if someone thought they were bad, that they would be against it. They literally think Biden deported more people than Trump. It's just kind of comical and a lot of stuff I didn't care to argue on specifics. But man, they really don't get it. The AI thing really blew my mind. I thought basically everyone was in agreement that AI will decimate white collar jobs over the next few years, and that within 20 or 30 years the advancements in robotics will decimate most blue collar jobs too. And that this combination will destroy the liberal argument for mass migration. I could tell he couldn't even really comprehend this topic. Like, I told him the main reason I voted for Trump was because of the immigration issue, but that because of AI, the liberal argument for mass migration, that it is necessary for economic growth, will no longer hold water and thus liberal/leftist governments won't really be able to argue in favor of mass migration anymore. He literally couldn't argue against this other than by saying AI will never deliver on it's promises. Just proved to me a lot of them are busy in their personal lives and not thinking deeply about politics. For what it's worth, this guy's job can and probably will be automated by AI. If he's lucky, he'll end up using AI himself to save his company/business. I've actually never been more confident and optimistic in an overarching long term right wing victory than I am right now. Even if Democrats win in 2026 and 2028, they will be forced by reality to become more right wing
>>533894293You haven't been paying attention. AI can already write essays better than most college students. The only argument now is that AI itself can't make critical decisions, but it can certainly offer input. So yeah, I don't think AI will replace jobs at the director level or CEO level, but if your job is sitting at a computer and what you do is basically grunt work, enacting the decisions and directives that someone else tells you to do, then yeah AI will probably replace your job in the next few years unless what you do is incredibly technical and niche
>>533893957>3. Independents, as registered, will overwhelmingly back Dems in fall 2026Don't conflate independents with contrarianists please. I will never vote democrat after the shit they pulled the past decade.
>>533894240I was thinking the neck but head is fine too.
>>533893957Yebisu taste like shit.
>>533894551He was trying tell me about various polls saying that in swing states, registered independents are breaking "3 to 1" in favor of Democrats over Republicans. I don't totally doubt it, but I do think that politics by and large are complete theatre these days. I barely believe democracy exists. OHH I FORGOT THE MOST INSANE THING HE SAID:4. He said he thinks 2024 election was rigged by Elon for Trump, but that the results of 2020 were legitimate lol
>>533893957>They think that AI has been over hyped by tech companies and that it will dramatically under deliver.Pretty much true, AI has radically shited what the programming industry does, but that's about it. It's too unreliable to replace any other white collar job. It still requires strict human supervision to make sure it doesn't hallucinate or fuck up. Just because it can write your essays at university doesn't meant it is capable of replacing lawyers or any serious white collar professional.>they unironically think that Trump voters should lose their right to vote, in any election, for a period of timeThey voted for a guy that attempted to coup the government on Jan 6. They obviously cannot be trusted to vote intelligently.
>>533894321Lol are we still pretendjng that le right wing is le savior of le white race?
>>533893957>liberal/leftistThese are wildly different positions. Only retarded circumcised Americans think capitalist liberalism is "left"
>>533894966You're wasting your breath, the average american has no clue that liberalism is not the same as leftism and they actually share little in common with one another. It's a testament to how effective the American system has been in killing off leftism entirely and intentionally mislabelling neoliberalism, which is a right-wing ideology, as leftism. The political spectrum ends up being right-wing party and far right-wing party. There is no left representation at all in the US government other than Bernie Sanders and his tiny progressive wing.
>>533894865>Pretty much true, AI has radically shited what the programming industry does, but that's about it. It's too unreliable to replace any other white collar job.That's not true. I literally worked at a tech company where an AI program was used to replace a lot of people on the supply chain side of the business. AI can formulate purchase orders and send those to vendors based on existing sales data. There's really no need for multiple humans to compile those orders (for example, when Wal-Mart is deciding how many quantities of which food products to order). And inb4 "that's not real AI". I was looking to get a new apartment recently and the apartment mgmt company had an AI agent. We've had robocalls and computer bot prompts on the phone for 2 decades now, but the new AI agents actually work really well. There's no point to have the human job of receptionist anymore, at least not more than one, even for a major company. Those are just 2 examples of jobs that AI has replaced. >>533894865>Just because it can write your essays at university doesn't meant it is capable of replacing lawyers or any serious white collar professional.You're completely missing the point of what I mean by "white collar". For every lawyer at a law office there are receptionists, paralegals, people doing the accounting and billing, and so forth. In the future a lot of those forms will literally be just the lawyers only, with all the ancillary jobs replaced by AI. Not sure how this isn't obvious yet. You can argue that the tech isn't quite there yet, and you might be right, but given the advancements of the last 2-3 years, I don't understand how you can argue that the tech won't be there in 5, 10, 15, 20 years
>>533894966>>533895049I get that they are different positions but for the sake of argument and discussion I grouped them together. I know some radical leftists who hate liberals and libtards as much as rightwingers do. This guy isn't one of them. He's the kind of person who thinks that he is a genuine leftist, but he is actually just a very left-leaning liberal. I didn't really think it was pertinent to this discussion to get into the minutiae of this distinction. The person I was arguing with thinks all Trump supporters should lose their right to vote but he also owns his own business and thinks he pays too much in taxes to the city and state government for the services he gets in return. He is a liberal who thinks he is a leftist. Hence I used the phrase "liberal/leftist"
>>533895241>I don't understand how you can argue that the tech won't be there in 5, 10, 15, 20 yearsYou're presuming that this tech is advancing at a continuous, linear rate which is simply not predictable. We may have plateaued already or it may replace humans entirely. Anthropic's CEO has been claiming software engineering is a dead profession for years now, while simultaneously hiring hundreds of new engineers every year. So you can understand people are skeptical about this, as the leaders of the AI field are clearly comfortable with lying to people and lying big.>Those are just 2 examples of jobs that AI has replaced.There's so much proof that broadly AI is not replacing anyone in significant numbers. The only field genuinely impacted is software engineering. https://fortune.com/2025/08/18/mit-report-95-percent-generative-ai-pilots-at-companies-failing-cfo/https://edition.cnn.com/2025/09/30/tech/scale-ai-making-money-metaAI companies are doing their public listing on the stock market this year. They rely on generating as much hype as possible to boost their float price. Don't get carried away with it, they are lying to boost how much wealth they end up extracting from the stock market.
>>533893957Modern Progressives have zero theory of mind. Their big weakness is that they think the only people who disagree with them are defective or evil.>>533894293>>533894424Both of these are true.AI is absolutely not the panacea that investors think it is, but it will also absolutely become a cornerstone technology because every important business and country has dumped gazillions of resources into developing it, so they will need to justify their investment.We're not getting skynet that will kill us all, but we are going to have most jobs filled with cheap mindless LLMs that underdeliver instead of expensive, unreliable humans.
>>533893957Consider the following
>>533894075As far as I can tell nobody actually cares about trump assassinations. I don't see any response beyond picrel, and I didn't to the last two times either
>>533893957Hasan and Vaush are communists, not "leftists" you can lump in with "liberals." Your "friend" is a "communist" and you're a "faggot."Also, AI is a nothingburger. Language models have existed in the 60s, and propaganda by stock market speculators and big tech one-shotted the normies by calling LLMs "AI." You too are a retard who thinks this refinement of 80 year old technology is actually something like AGI, which it isn't. It's just not AI, but people who don't know any better get hoodwinked by people claling it that. It's a weighted random number generator pulling out and mixing inputted training data. It has no intelligence. That's why strawberry has two r-letters and the "AI" can't do math.
>>533897030Sure, but I don't see how Trump's opponents would've been any better. We had the Biden presidency from 2021-2025. It sucked, and inflation happened more rapidly during that administration than the current one. Also we did kind of get a wall, it's still under construction, they have released most of the Epstein files. I never really wanted peace, I knew Trump was a wildcard with the possibility of war. I just wanted to actually win at a war if we got involved
Your friend is right about AI. If you have actual tech knowledge beyond gaming and consumer electronics you'd see it's just a bunch of case structures on modern hardware. Most of my professional life I've been told by non technical people self programing AI is going to take my job, instead a bun h of artists lost their jobs. As for officer workers it could rip into them but those jobs are mainly held by women, and you can have them being unemployed cause they might have kids. Most office work is intentional make work just to stop women from being mothers. For of the re-education camps or suddenly realising they were wrong that's not ever going to happen. For starters his voter base is pissed he wasn't right wing enough/too in support of Israel. Conservative parties internationally are going to get more socially conservative over time, fiscal conservatives was more of a boomer thing. Just cause Trump lost grace don't mean the movement is over, especially considering gen Z is majority social conservative. Woke on the other hand is actually dying. They've lost alot and already have the new cope "nobody cares about politics anymore". The left wing is held up mostly by boomers thinking their pensions are tied to immigration.
>>533897322>Also, AI is a nothingburger. Language models have existed in the 60s, and propaganda by stock market speculators and big tech one-shotted the normies by calling LLMs "AI." You too are a retard who thinks this refinement of 80 year old technology is actually something like AGI, which it isn't. It's just not AI, but people who don't know any better get hoodwinked by people claling it that.Didn't claim it was AGI or actual intelligence, but I think you're retarded if you think it won't change anything. Your argument is akin to someone arguing about automobiles vs horses in the 1890s. You are the person denying the significance of the automobile. You're the person in 1890 saying, "This car can only go 15 mph, a horse can gallop just as fast, AND the horse can steer itself even if the rider falls asleep. The horse can return to the rider if the rider falls off the horse. A car can't do that, it'll just keep going until it crashes. Explain to me again how the car is superior to the horse?"AI is a tool, like a car, that allows humans to get way more output out of computers than they were able to get before. Just like cars ended up allowing us to traverse greater distances in shorter times than horse and buggy>>533897322>Hasan and Vaush are communists, not "leftists" you can lump in with "liberals." Your "friend" is a "communist" and you're a "faggot."he's not radical enough to be a communist, he literally dislikes paying taxes. He might think he's a communist, but he's literally a capitalist business owner and would be made to face the wall in any actual communist revolution
>>533897505>Your friend is right about AI. If you have actual tech knowledge beyond gaming and consumer electronics you'd see it's just a bunch of case structures on modern hardware. Most of my professional life I've been told by non technical people self programing AI is going to take my job, instead a bun h of artists lost their jobs.How can you legitimately argue this? You sound like a high level programmer who has been working computer science for 10 years or more. Are you just totally unaware that computer science graduates are having an incredibly tough time getting jobs now right out of college, when up until now it's always been easy for them?Tech companies aren't employing "code monkeys" anymore. They don't need entry-level employees. You mention office workers and how that's mostly women, but women are something like half of the workforce, and they're the ones getting a majority of the jobs out of college already. I just don't see how you can argue that this will be a minor blip in the job market rather than a massive change. Whether you think it's for good or bad, I don't understand the argument that this won't cause massive disruption.
>>533897714You are a midwit saying drones will obsolete tanks when loitering munitions have also existed for decades, and before drones it was planes that were supposed to obsolete tanks.
>>533898998>You are a midwit saying drones will obsolete tanksisn't this basically what's been happening in Ukraine? Both sides are at a stalemate because tanks and heavy armor isn't working like it used to. If tanks are so great, why hasn't Russia taken more territory?also I don't think anyone thought planes would make tanks obsolete, especially when planes existed first anyway
>>533898084You'll pulling that shit out of your ass just like everyone else. I'm not high level, I know the difference between a single and a double. They're still hiring code monkeys, Indian ones at that; ofcourse Chad Stevens needs to fix their shit. If copilot could code they'd all be gone in a flash, but it can't. Copilot searches the web for the answer, and usually it picks what some hobbiest on Reddit shit out cause actual pros don't waste their time helping people on Reddit. As for why it hasn't caused massive disruption is because it hasn't. It's been a few years and hasn't exactly grown much. In some ways regressed cause people find AI art and advertising repulsive. As I said before it could put lots of admins out of work, but since they're overwhelming women that's not doing to happen. Sorry bud but the UBI gamer paradise isn't going to happen while computing is limited to 1s and 0s.
>>533900559>Sorry bud but the UBI gamer paradise isn't going to happen while computing is limited to 1s and 0s.course it's not gonna happen they're gonna do WWIII to kill of all the unnecessary useless people who are made redundant by AI
>>533894424>AI can already write essays better than most college studentsThat just speaks to the low quality of college students. Whenever I've tried to use AI to help me with any subject that I'm an expert on, it always gets it wrong. AI can only collect data from the internet, meaning it's an eternal midwit with no real expertise. Maybe if AI weren't routinely lobotomized they'd be able to learn from correction, but they've more or less been programmed to hate truth in all of its forms.
>>533893957This is some quality bait. At least, I hope it is for OP?
>>533898084Jobs were declining before AI got OK at helping at programming. Before there were thousands of startups hemoraging investor money. Companies now just have to deliver profits.(In tech for 20 years or so) I have team members using a lot of AI, and they complain about it getting worse recently, and OK at best output wise.I don't really use it, but might start a bit more agentic stuff for retard tier development.Though usually a quick macro or two does it for me in terms of large refactors.The only people going AI are typically trying to sell it.Its great for prototyping though, just don't expect optimized or secure code, because it will be trash (right now at least). And it's getting more and more expensive, AI companies are still running at a large loss.We will see though. I am ready to do something else, if they kill off the only enjoyable part of programming I rather become a goose farmer.
>>533893957Cool story bro. too bad I DONT FUCKING CARE. Miggers are goycattle.
>>533894321Liberals beliefs are mostly performative. I realized that in 2016 when I was debating with a liberal former friend about something Trump was doing.I was winning the debate and forcing him to concede some points when he basically said >I don't want to talk about this anymore. If I start to agree with you, it's gonna cause problems with my gf and other friendsNot in those exact words but that was what he meant.It occured to me he selected his beliefs based on what's popular and gives him social status. And most of them are like that. That's a totally alien way of thinking to me I've always been autistic about wanting evidence and internal consistency for my beliefs.
>>533894321>I've actually never been more confident and optimistic in an overarching long term right wing victoryWake me up when an actual non-zionist right wing candidate wins and builds a power base
