>>533907198In theory the state can use collective buying power to deliver more power dollar than an individual. Certainly in terms of healthcare this appears to be true.
>>533907198>I get: a small % of everyone's pay>You get: Paved roads and public servicesidk I kinda like paved roads, it's the fact that every politician is mildly to absurdly corrupt and spends MY money on things that AREN'T paved roads that's the problem
>>533907640But private healthcare is much better than public healthcare and public healthcare costs me more even when I'm not even using it.The state just takes my money and spends it on strangers so that I have less left to take care of my own loved ones and family.
>>533907779Roads don’t exist because the state invented them, but because people need them. There are countless things the state doesn’t do. If it took them over starting tomorrow, you’d then say those wouldn’t exist without the state either.
>>533907198Because they are getting paid a shit wage where they live paycheck to paycheck and see the only way out is the government stepping in. It makes sense in theory, the rich are fucking them over because that’s how capitalism works. What they don’t seem to get is the government is incredibly incompetent in everything they do. First they work for the rich since rich people have money to buy them. On the off chance they do raise the taxes they spend too much doing anything and cause inflation while also fucking over the rich. I’m not really sure what the answer is besides figuring out a way to beat the system that you are in.
>>533908608>But private healthcare is much better than public healthcare and public healthcare costs me more even when I'm not even using it.I can't comment on that without knowing the specifics of how much you spend on healthcare vs what proportion of your taxes are spent on public healthcare, but generally public healthcare costs individuals far less than private healthcare for the same standard. Better quality private healthcare costs the average person much, much more than they pay on public healthcare in taxes. This has been measured in the US where they collectively spend far more on healthcare with worse health outcomes on average than systems with public healthcare.
>>533909001Jew simp.
>>533909510I am most definitely not.
>>533909001>The state takes half your salary, which is why you don’t have money.>It's muh capitalism's fault!Ok.
>>533909370>public healthcare costs individuals far less than private healthcare for the same standardThe government is not a magician. It doesn't create goods and services. It just spends your money on strangers while taking a cut for itself.
>>533910286I’m more talking about how capitalism works by already having capital. You then use someone’s else labor to make a profit off their work. Bringing the government in really just fucks everything up because like I said, the government is corrupt and incompetent. I’m not really hating on capitalism, I can’t think of a better system, I’m just saying that’s kind of the entire point.
>>533907198>dang nabit when the gubmint does something, that's COMMUNISM ya hear?!And then they go to worship this shit. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_Highway_System?useskin=vector
How do anarkiddies cope with Chinese bullet trains and other developments? How will anarkiddies aquire rare earth metals which you need to extract from collosal amounts of rocks instead of finding an ore vein like you can with gold?
>>533907198Why don't you guys like getting free shit?
>>533910516Ok. Then my bad.
The best way to guarantee the persistence of bad things is to make participation in them mandatory. The market isn’t perfect, but as long as you’re not forced to take part in anything, you can manage things for your own benefit.
>>533908608This is a retarded take that can be debunked in seconds on the internet. Americas for profit healthcare system is worse by every metric. Im sorry that ayn Rand lied to you.
>>533907198You know where capitalism is purer and less regulated in the world? Places like Pakistan and Bangladesh and such, moreso than in the USA
>>533910671>How do anarkiddies cope with Chinese bullet trains and other developments?China is competitive because in certain areas they have really low taxes and regulations. It’s very oversimplified to label today’s economies as either socialist or capitalist. Most countries are somewhere in between.For example, Europe is more socialist than China. This wasn’t the case 20 years ago.
>>533910873I was speaking from my own experience in my own country. The American healthcare system is heavily regulated, I wouldn’t call it private.
>>533911028Crime rates are three times higher in your country than in mine. How did big government work out for you?
>>533907779Why aren't all tax spendings transparent so you can see directly where your money goes? They are NOT paving the roads with that money, they are buying votes against you.
>>533908842Tell that to India where people steal the roads that they desperately need, destroying them.
>>533911328I'd say decently enough. Dad got some heart problem diagnosed and a pacemaker on that same day, not long ago, free of charge. I can go home with unfinished work instead of putting in unpaid overtime because there's at least the threat of govt. watchdogs against predatory corporate practices, and they can't just fire me without just cause.As for those crime rates you speak about, if they are even real, I suspect it's a case of 0.3 vs 0.1, might as well be 0 for how it affects my day to day life
>>533911328>>533911933Did I forget to mention we have a well trained and supplied police force that actually sistematically tries to de-escalate dangerous situations involving mentally unstable people instead of one that has "a reputation" for bullet spraying everyone at the slightest sign of trouble, real or imagined?
>>533907779Roads are a litmus test for a functioning government. It's telling when roads in every state are abhorrent. And it's not just negligence, it's also policies that prevent work from being done. In Los Angeles, they have stopped repaving roads completely because of a federal law that requires ADA compliant retrofitting at all intersactions when you repave. So rather than simply repaving a stretch of road at an exorbitant rate, they also have to pay something like ~$300k per curb for the compliance (yes, it is an insane number). So at a four way intersection, it costs an additional $1M+ to the additional paving cost. Rather than pay it, L.A. Just said "we can't afford it so we're no longer repaving any roads." That's a perfect microcosm of how government functions as a whole.
>>533911933>free of chargeHe worked for it for life.
>>533907198Military fags are seething at this post
>>533912756Is not about the money but the money and power
>>533907779>goes gigatrillions in debt to build roadsi think there might be a better way
>>533912756In a way, you are rightShould ask him if it was worth it. Nice meme though
>>533909001most the people i see stuck in shitty jobs are shitty people. they not getting fucked over by anyone but themselves>4 month gaps in employment>shitty attitude on from day 1>late/calls off all the time>quits when they get nigger rich off a few checkswhile decent people use these shit jobs as a little check till they finish college or tradeschool
the State is and has been the pillar of human civilization for over 5000 years. cope and seethe lolbertarian faggots. your retarded ideas can’t exist outside of a textbook.
>>533912886Yeah, maybe try not shoving it into destroying iranian roads (which you might have to chip in to rebuild in the end anyway)
>>533913434what happened to all that grandstanding and chestthumping theyve been doing for the last 40 years?they wanted to be big boys and stand up to us and got their shit stomped in like little bitches. quite funny if you ask me
>>533907198They don't want the state to spend their money. They want the state to spend your money. on them.
>>533913770See? We might have different ideas on what big govt spending should be invested in, but we both seem to be somewhat satisfied with the end result.All this whining for nothing
>>533910873>is worse by every metricthat's not true. the people at the very top that can afford the top shelf treatments whenever they want get the best healthcare in the worldbut yeah for regular people its worse in every way. pay more for worse quality compared to a public system
>>533907198>their money
>>533915805Polaks are usually smart and cool people but you are retarded beyond help. Probably everyone hate you there.Money is not value. You can't print value. Inflation is just another tax. It reduces the value of your money. That's what they are spending.
>>533907198>be Trump>takes your wallet>throws out 10x the money on expediting the shipping of the box Israel puts you in.the fact that over half of Americans intuitively prefer this is proof enough that "big government" can spend money better than them and their "small government".
>>533910409This doesn’t really address his argument though. The actual, literal data is that the US vastly overspends on private healthcare for outcomes that aren’t commensurately better.
