>you can go off grid for less than 20k $ in solar panels and accumulators>no it can't work because the guys who burn fossil fuels said sowhy they don't want you to switch to solar?
>>533911595The sunlight in the USA shines through freedom clouds making it unsuitable for collection. Thats why trump killed all green energy projects before starting a world energy crisis
>>533911595i think they do, very much. thats why a lot of government have been running programs to make it cheaper. grants, tax breaks etc etc.
I did. The key is to DIY, the average normies hears solar and thinks it's the grid tied scam his boomer neighbor got because they can't do math. Also don't put it on your roof if you can avoid it, build a ground mount and use bifacial panels. Also DIY lithium batteries are less than $1500 these days for 15kwh. Look up will prowse on jtube for more info.
>>533912996>put it on your roof if you can avoid it, build a ground mount and use bifacial panelsTHIS. at least around here they'd be under snow most the winter since theres no real way to keep them clear up on the roof.
>>533912996Nice.
>>533911595being indpendent is for trannys and leftist. real men burn CLEAN COLE.
>>533911595Why? Because you can’t put a meter on sunshine and bill people for it. Picrel is pancakes I cooked on solar power
>>533913586nice
>>533911595>Spends 20 grand in solar panels and an inverter.Now what do you at night or on a cloudy day? Post pics of your battery bank with timestamp and tell us what that costs.
>>533913874I don't have but I wish to get one done
my focus is simply not being dependent on electricitytreating it as a luxury
>>533911595> just pay 20k bromight makes sense if you see inflation in these past 6 years being over 40% but not everyone has that kind of money nor do they have a house.
>>533911595I know lots of people who are doing just that.
>>533911595Why would anyone care about going "off-grid" for tho?
what is this fascination with going "off grid?"why not just stay on the grid while owning a generator for emergency situations? wouldn't that be smarter?
>>533914224So you have no power many days a year or you rely on the grid many days a year and aren't actually independent like you act.
>>533913586gay, just make proper pancakes on carbon steel skillet or a cast iron pan.while using a wooden stove before jews like the EU move into your backyard and steal your stove.
It's a scam.You are just front loading your energy bills.The ROI is 10+ years.Inverter needs replacing around that time as well.Pray for no other repairs or your ROI date extends further.You are reliant on the grid in winter or overcast days no matter what battery you think you have.
>>533911595Nigger, if I'd have $20k I'd buy some food first.
>>533911595We'll find you and destroy you, goyim
>>533913874you plan for that before installing anon. you size the battery and solar arrays according to the average sun hours/days at your location. they still charge a bit under cloud cover anyway. >>533914306thats the way to have the best solar/wind system. efficient appliances and only the ones you really need. no parasitic loads either.
>>533913176That's the thing I've never understood about roof mounting them especially if you live in the north where you will get snow. Like how the are you supposed to bust out the ladder and climb onto your roof every time it snows to clean them off?
>>533914459you would steal your food even if you had $60k on you, you slimey gypsy.
>>533914224So you've never actually done any of this or even done any serious research into the topic? Do you even own a home? Have a job? Have 20 grand sitting around to spend? I suspect you may be putting the cart before the horse here.
>>53391444610 years is too long anon, even for me who has low bills compared to most people already. with 2k in panels and the same in batteries, with extra for inverter, wiring etc call it $5-6K. id clear that inside of 4 years.
you need way less than 20K euros to go off grid with solar panels kek
>>533914608yeah i dont know. maybe its grid systems that aren't intended to run the house all the time or something. my roof can stay covered for a couple months at a time so that shits not going to work here.
You usually need to install a new roof before putting solar panels on the roof because it is pointless to put the panels on a roof that will need repairs in only a couple years. That is another cost solar panel shills love to ignore.
>>533914608>I've never understood about roof mounting themBecause frames cost a shitload of money and your roof is already there. >Like how the are you supposed to bust out the ladder and climb onto your roof every time it snows to clean them off?Mine shed snow extremely quickly and the pitch on my roof isn't near as steep as OP's picture.
>>533911595I would like to have some just for if shit goes south. It doesn’t really make sense if you are doing it to save money. If the world goes to shit I would like to be able to take a hot shower and use my well.
Oh let me just really quickly build my panels and conduits and cables out of solar energy.
>>533914792>o install a new roofdepends really doesn't it. doesn't cost much to replace the shingles where your panels will be either.
>>533914842I put 8KW of panels on my house and it cost about 24,000 after the tax breaks. That does NOT include any sort of battery bank so I'm on "net metering". The ROI breaks very well for me like this but it would go down the shitter if I had to buy enough battery to do what I need to do and unplug from the grid.
>>533911595Yeah but your electricity bill won't be 20k $ in 10 years, how much the panels are rated to last.And realistically there will be weeks of no sun and batteries don't keep a charge that long.
>>533915010Nobody is only going to only replace some of the shingles where the panels will sit. You are just being ridiculous.
>>533915142Weeks? Try months.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ax1WGW8xjw8
>>533911595Sweden provides financial incentives and tax benefits to individuals and businesses that install and use solar panels and the government highly recommend it. Private individuals can receive a tax reduction of 20% for the installation of solar panels (material and labor costs) and the tax deduction for installing systems that store self-produced electricity (batteries) or for electric vehicle charging points is 50%.Homeowners can sell excess electricity generated by their panels back to the grid. Many electricity companies also offer to store energy credits during the summer to reduce/remove bills during the winter. My parents have dropped their electrical bill to pretty much zero doing that and once i have renovated my own roof I will be installing some myself. It's so popular that most apartment buildings and public buildings have them these days as well. New buildings also always have them as standard.
>>533915127I bought a bunch of 550Wt panels for $150ish each. So say $2500 total at worst. Chinesium inverters rated for 11kWt cost under $1k. Decent inverters rated that high would cost maybe 3x more.10kWth-worth of batteries was like $500, don't remember. It's better to build those yourself though, using a gorillion of 3v cells and a trustworthy bms of your choice, I cheaped out and got something that may or may not balace itself well.Forgot the pricing on cables, maybe 5 bucks per meter. Connectors are also dirt cheap. Racks can be DIY'd (I just put them on the SW-facing wall for now).Either way looks very affordable to the point where 20k is more than enough.I'd just put the remainder of the sum into a petrol generator and a gas tank as backup for shtf.
>>533915167like i said, it depends on what the rest of the roof is like. dont know why this is such a complicated thing for you. ive got a certain part of my roof that gets more wind exposure than the rest and i'll just replace that section next because the rest is looking alright. in fact, i'll probably put metal over it all before long and forget about shingles forever.
>>533915402cool, even ahmeds in sweden can afford solar
>>533915485>why this is such a complicated thing for youYou are clearly minimizing and attempting to ignore the additional hidden costs of solar in order to shill for solar panels. Fuck off.
>>533911595What happens if birds shit all over the panels?
>>533912996This, you dont need to sell to the grid, thats a thing that will end up being canceled in the longer run anyways as they cant store the solar.Just look at your old power bill and you can see how much you use so you know how much wattage and storage you need to hit whatever % success is good enough for you.
>>533915458Post pics with timestamp.
>>533911595Roofed solar panels have a poor return on investments, youre better off in an index fund long term>>533912996This is probably the best way to go
>>533915536Jokes aside, yes. Balcony kits are rising in popularity and it's a great way for low income homes to reduce bills. A lot of landlord companies will even pay for the installation if you agree to let the kit stay in place once you move.
>>533915739What's in it for me?
>>533915634im being practical which is maybe not a thing you're into.
>>533911595Oil is used for butt stuff, that's why gasoline is gay. Solar is the ancient and patrician choice.
>>533915822>What's in it for me?The only currency worth a fuck in this world. (You)s
>>533911595$20k like 10-15 years of electricity bills. How is that a good investment? If you have $20k lying around, you can invest it and turn it into $100K+ in that time.
>>533915779Cost me about 3k€ of my own money (with eu grants) to set them up and saves me about 1k€ per year, what index funds offer me this roi?
>>533914569>you size the battery and solar arrays according to the average sun hours/days at your location. and plan usage, like dishwasher or laundryin the uk they have lecky sellers who charge 7cents a kwh at night
>>533915402i kind of want to make a tracker as a project but it rains/snows/is overcast 85% of the year here since the coast faces the atlantic
>>533914224>I don't have but I wish to get one doneyou should best sun around
>>533915793totally useless in cavemen countries like germany sweden norway estonia where you have 30 days of sun per year
>>533914408>owning a generator for emergency situations?makes noise, opsec, gas runs out, very inefficient
>>533916013>If you have $20k lying around, you can invest it and turn it into $100K+ in that time.What investment is going to 5x in the next 10 years?
>>533915402In USA the tax credit is 30% and also includes the cost of the roof if installed at same time.
>>533916013>How is that a good investment?I fail to see it too but since I inherited a few million euro worth of real estate and some of it has solars I can sell the excess production and power my based chinese car with it for free if you jewish mutts ever close the strait again
>>533916161Bitcoin
>>533915656>What happens if birds shit all over the panels?incel faggot, tell your mommy to stop doing your laundry
>>533916182also I can grow really fucking strong indoor weed, the electricity prices here and in germany are some of the most expensive in the world so your location might be different, I blame the jews
>>533916013It's an investment into your own energy independence and freedom, you jewish nigger.
>>533914862Silly goy, solar panels grow on Chinese trees. Don't worry about it.
>>533914553
>>533911924solar panels still work in overcast anything from 10-30%
>>533911595I rather burn jews for heat and cooking.
>>533916182it's not just car fuel that will become more expensive if that happens again keep that in mind since oil is used to transport make and grow all sorts of shit
>>533914774zoning laws. even if you have unobstructed space in your yard you can’t build an array. the zoning jew allows arrays to be built in fields in rural areas. if you want a roof mounted system the regulations jew requires an engineer to sign off on the installation and they’ll charge you between $2-5k just to look at the schematics and put a stamp on it. then an electrician has to sign off on the installation and they’ll charge you around $500 to check a bunch of plugs and make sure it’s properly grounded. if you can manage the installation on your own it would be a lot cheaper but you still need to jump through hoops. now add in the hassle of trying to disconnect from the grid. some regions flat out won’t allow it and others will make you pay crazy money. >t. solar energy engineer from ontario
>>533916156i like the idea of using your car in those situations. guy a know has a vehicle that comes with an inverter and engine control built in for that reason. plug in and you've got a 6kw inverter ready to go, and all it does is run the engine above idle according to demand
>>533911595This is shit os probably best example of coonsumer retardationYou literally go and spend more cash outright than you would spend in decades, maybe even lifetime and thats not counting downtime in power you are almost certain to have, maintance cost and cost of buying overprice low power electronics and utilities needed for this shit.
>>533916596thankful i live outside of such retarded places but yeah that makes sense. pretty gay that you cant just have them in your backyard or whatever
>>533916657i think you are all overestimating the price of solar panels nowadaysone panel of 500 kwh is 100 euros
>>533911595Because it gets embezzled when publicly funded. Germany is the biggest example one of all, essentially have spent 700bil euros to transition from atomic all to for it to end up in Putin's pockets and now we have a war on our face
>>533916657this is just a kneejerk reaction from someone that simply doesn't know what they are taking about.
>>533916767Instalation cost, cleaning cost, repair cost, hail Marry no hail region, winter sun, overcast, batteries need change sooner than on Tesla...In brain it looks feasbleIn practice it cucking yourself beyond belief
>>533916830kys jeet
>>533911595my boomer dad bitches about $600 power bills but refuses to put solar on the house because he doesn't want the neighbors to have to see our ugly panels. little does he know that over 2/3 of the houses on our street have solar.boomers gonna boomerit's not like anyone else has a house anyway
>>533911595Have you done it yet OP.Are you >off gridWith an environment wrecking batterypack that'll need replaced every third year.Or do you just have another eye-sore on your roof, connected to the grid, adding to an already imbalenced energy production meaning you can't barely give it away when you overproduce during sunlight hours, and have to pay an arm and a leg for power once the sun starts setting. Pic related, todays prices for the "raw" electricity per hour in our country, where "green" energy is way ahead of most countries, for better and worse, mostly worse.
>>533916904great come back. now you should read the thread were real world costs have been discussed several times already, and then you should try to grasp the idea that getting off the grid isn't only about the money.
>>533916904jeet means victory
>>533913176>>533914608Same here on Mexico, people put those panels on the roof, sometimes is a win-win situation where you have a fresh room because of the shade it provides, but people sometimes don't understand that you need to go to the roof to clean the panels because of dirt and bird poop, specially if you live on a rural area.
>>533911595This is an interesting concept from smartflowerhttps://smartflower.com/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rC69AoZEFIQOne might think its gimmicky but it is thinking outside the box and who knows where this kind of thing can lead to design wise. Nature has trees that do this naturally...The thing I like about the smartflower is that it can retract in crappy weather.
>>533917236yeah they still do need a clean sometimes. the shade is a good point too. one thing we should do more up here and in the US are those cheap and easy water heaters you see millions of all over the rest of the world. heating water is a big sponge for electricity
>>533916059Great now go maintain and clean them for the next 30 years of your life (with grants)Ill just lump all my savings into index and ETFs and get divvys that pay for my entire living expenses not just a fucking fractional savings on electric lol
>>533917265if the tracking can be made reliable and not expensive then its worth doing it for the gains you get. otherwise just get a few more panels to begin with to make up the difference
>>533916876yeah we have nearly 100 tornadoes in this state in ONE DAY sometimes, chance for tornadoes 12 months per year and with tornadoes comes hail, you can't legally live somewhere that isn't on the grid either since a home address recognized by USPS = you have to pay the power company something (usually around $30/month) even if you use zero power. pollen is bad enough this time of year to blanket solar panels so they have to be washed weeklyoverall it's not cost efficient in this state for anything but a small shop that doesn't need an address and then you can notice a few bucks saved but you have to spend more time working on all of it
>>533911595The jew fears the rise of plug-in solar panels. Like my local utility will charge you fines for feeding power back into the grid without paying the electrician jew and city tens of thousands of dollars to install separate meters when simple and easily scalable plugin solutions exist if utilities would allow for it.
>>533911595Really, I'd prefer a miniature nuclear reactor
>>533916520>Austrian with an 'idea'Uncle? Have you risen from the dead?
>>533915920>im being practical which is maybe not a thing you're into.youre being fucking ass retarded and roofs are like $16k minimum now, and you dont get up and there and just replace a few square feet here and there. thats literally not how roofs work
>>533911595I'll do it once the battery technology improves. It's way too expensive still for the capacity you get and they need to be replaced too often (10 years).
>>533911595We can do better.....nuclear reactor to every house....maded by Finns ofcourse.
>>533911595less than $10k, actually
>>533914408>why not just stay on the grid while owning a generator for emergency situations? wouldn't that be smarter?If your only concern is being able to keep talmudvision on when there is a power outage then sure. I am more concerned with surviving in months long outages so water, food, basic solar for charging power tools, etc.
>>533912996>Build a ground mountOnly problem is depending on what you need to do, can cost a hefty amount in concrete and then the mount itself. I'll check out this guy though.
>>533917827that is exactly how it works. ive done it. ive helped my neighbors do it after a storm took out a coupe sq meters. ive already priced my roof for nicely colors metal and its less than half what you said.basically i think you're a nigger.
>>533917413Ya that smartflower has built in sky tracking. It's pretty impressive. I don't know about costs too much with it. I can't afford all this shit as it is anyhow. But I do like technology and advancements in the energy field.To me, the big hurdle is getting better battery tech to store the energy harvested. Changing the electrolyte to minimize fires and thermal runaway in standard lithium batteries is an easily doable technology. It's already being done. It barely affects manufacturing costs too so it's immediately beneficial.
>>533911595i will simply buy 3 of these which is 12 kilowatts when i connect them together. 10kw batteries which is enough to run everything for a couple hours in case of an outage or whatever. according to maps i get on average 4kwh out of 1kw of solar panels which is 12x4=48kwh per day which is more than enough to run everything on full blast 24/7
>>533918235it wont be cheap thats for sure. trackers generally aren't. like i say, a few extra panels to start with and you're making up a lot of what you can lose from sun angle changes. and yeah, batteries are always the issue in lots of applications. but you know, good old lead acid is cheap and if you dont cycle them down much they will give you 10 years or even more.
>>533918319battery and ondulator is included? if yes thats a steal
I don't have $20k and I don't have a house to put the panels on
>>533911595going off the grid gets you no pussy dude
>>533918479i think its without inverter but thats like 500 euro from anker and you can hook up multiple solar sets and no 800w limiter
>>533911595>why they don't want you to switch to solar?Because solar panels are made in China.
>>533914386>>533914408Transfer switch + battery banks + generation is the way to go. Solar, wind, or hydro generation if you got it, and propane as a shelf stable baseline fuel.
Solar panels are analogically tradFossil fuels are jewish and evil
>>533918813Yeah cause women ask for your electrical provider before banging.You have GRID (HIV/AIDS), faggot
>>533918584i have 20k but its overkill because its way cheaperi live on the flast floor of my building, i will use the roof as if it was mine because they all told me to fuck off when i told them i had a little infiltration of water
>>5339115953k the full thing in mexico, i know because my mom lives in a remote town
>>533921244pictures of your mom please senior?
>>533921244this guys mom does the full thing for 3K
>>533917867That's a weird looking spa.Whats ya sauna looking like? When you have a wierd spa like that?
>>533921177You're absolutely lying about being Bulgarian. There's no way one of you has more than 1000 dollars at any time
>>533911595Wrong, gleek butt. You can't do it because you have no allodial title.
Solar power is closer to god than any other technology, including AI. It is literally free, infinite, clean energy forever, even after we are all gone.You might be too dense to make the connection, but falling for fossil fuel propaganda and holding on to fossil fuel energy for generations is the biggest reason there are foreigners in your country today.
>>533911924Schizo leftist. Chemtrails are bullshit,so easy to debunk. Also the thread had nothing to do with Trump.
>>533911595it speaks more on the state of energy prices in europe when solar is economically feasible in such cloudy places like germany. truly raped.
>>533917395The point is to be self sufficient retard. It's not a financial vehicle
>>533921476im french but i live in bulgaria
>>533911595>you can go off grid for less than 20k $ in solar panels and how many years? 20k for 20 years is 1k per year, which is way more than my electricity billin fact, thats so bad I lose money doing it... for 20k I want it to be cheaper than my electricity bill + so much that it pays for itself over 20 years
>>53392233920k is way too much, op is dumbfor 3k you have a super nice system with 12 mwh
>>533911595>taxes>looks like shit>maintenance>investment vs gainNot worth it, back to the drawing board Leonardo
>>533922339You have to put those ugly things on your roof, enjoy the extra cost of reroofing. If you do solar, don't put them on the roof.
>>533922339most people in the western world lose money going solar. for something small like a workshop not attached to the house it can make sense, but for houses the laws don't help you enough (usually make it worse) to save money but when there is a tornado that knocks power out for a week, it's nice to have other power sources and you really understand it during that first cold shower
>>533922496I would hate to be a roofer today.
>>533916161Bingus Token. Going to the moon and right back. kek
>>533921786germs have been retarded for decades when they shut down their nuclear plants and since there are 80+ mil of the retards they drag everyone down with them
>>533922593france could turn off the lights of germany if they felt like itgermany was a lion, now its a kittenand thats a very good thing
>>533912996Theres also pretty cool small, vertical axis wind turbines for home use, combo of wind and solar is the way!
>>533922400well mister, the magnitude of the investment wasnt the critical point I am raising, this K is rather irrelevant in the calculationagain:How many years would those 3K you propose last until it has to be replaced. how long till it pays for itself?such calculations matter because any idiot can throw his money into the stock market and gain roughly 7% per year. which means the money pays for itself in about 10 years.the reason most people dont do solar is because it is a rather horrible investment in comparison
>>533911595I’m an appraiser in Colorado and I’m seeing a lot more off-grid buildsyou’re legitimately not allowed to do it if you have public utilities though, that’s a mortgage rule, not a local municipality oneusually setup is a solid 8-12 panel array, 8-12 marine batteries, inverter, etc - hooked up to the house pole and you can run all your usual shit as long as you have a wood stove for the winteralso liquid propane fridge, put a 3000 gallon bottle on your property and hook it up to a generac on the same line and you’ll never worry about power again
>>533916463>>533921722Jeff Bezos owns the freedom clouds. Solar panels are theft. Stop trying to steal from hardworking job creators.
>>533911595I can't afford a house.
>>533911595My area gets a total of under 50 sunny days per year, and less than 12 hours of daylight 6 months per year. Also: service bait.
>>533911595because its cloudy and snowy here 8 months of the year
>>533911595>off grid >6 months of winter >4 months of potential snow on the roof. $20K will barely give you panels. Another $20k on batteries, invertor etc . etc. $40K .>let alone LEGAL ISSUES and ROOF ISSUES with panels on the roof>and problems with selling the house with panels on the roof.I may spend $3K / YEAR in electricity, tops. Maybe $4K in the coldest winter years. That's 13 years.
>>533911924Shizo leftist. Chemtrails are spread on purpose by elites. Solar and wind have extremely low EROI that you can't use them , on a large scale they are below survival. Trump cancel fake green fakery that literally STEAL billions of taxpayer $. Trump doesn't stop YOU from installing panels on your rooftop, yet your crazy leftists almost banned Internal Combustion Engines.
>>533911595Off grid is one of the better uses for solar.Sometimes it's just not viable or desirable to get hooked up to the grid.I'm very everything goes when it comes to energy in general.Every type has different pluses and minuses and things to consider.>>533912996>>533913874Aside from what we think of as normal "batteries" there are also other options to convert energy when you have an excess into more storable forms with stuff like gravity batteries or hydrogen.
>>533911595Gonna slam in another 10 panels (already bought) but it's hard to catch enough photons to float the house load during Winter, let alone put anything in the battery. I think we had 2 battery cycles (~22kWh) Nov-Feb. 10 this month.
>>533924483The problem is that you are Irish and therefore retarded and inbred. Have an Indian install your solar panels next time.
20k upfront just for electricity sounds a lot. and I dare you to stay off-grid between November and February.
>>533911595I never got why I can't have both?
>>533916616>i like the idea of using your car in those situations. guy a know has a vehicle that comes with an inverter and engine controlyup, you can even charge with panels, it is slow but possiblemy next car will be electric with inverter
>>533924613>20k upfront just for electricity sounds a lot.when electricty is 20 cents a kw, sure iswhen it is 50 cents a kw, well thats different
>>533924889>you can even charge with panels, it is slow but possibleoh, an electric car. yeah you could i guess. not sure on the numbers for doing that. >next car will be electric with inverteri suppose you could use its battry bank as a power source for the house in an emergency. at least keep the lights on for a while.
>Muh going off the gridLiterally nothing will happen, never will, and you fucking monkeys are wasting thousands of dollars for a hypothetical scenario that, again, will not fucking happen
>>533925632thats still not the point. its always amazing how many anons simply cant into the whole idea.
>>533912996Based Will Prowse poster. >This post powered by 100% NOT KOSHER solar power.
>>533911595>replace roof>$20,000 extra cost>roof leaks from solar panels>$50,000 in water damage and mold remediationno green brainwashed lib will ever mention the 2 points above.
>>533925677What is the point then. The only way I can find this worth it is if you have like 3 EV cars in your house and want to drive "for free", because electricty is fucking cheap.In my house without solar i pay $25 monthly and I am a software dev sitting on his ass in front of a PC 10 hours a day
>>533911595$20,000 would take about 16 years for me to break even at my current electric rates. I don't want to pay upfront for 16 years in electricity that I don't know will be working in 16 years.
>>533926133>whats the pointto be independent as much as possible and not worry about bills or outages or anything. its a nice feeling. grid electricity is the only thing my house still requires (just for appliances and hot water tank. wood stove heats in winter). just been too lazy to move over to solar/wind.also, its obviously the way to go for any home that isn't within reasonable distance to a powerline. now putting that shit in is big money.
I don't understand why so many posters here are that desperate to discourage others from using solar panels. Even to the point of making up extreme or fake scenarios.
>>533914433Well, now you don’t get pancakes.
>>533914446I supplement my grid use with solar and now have emergency backup. Total investment about 3500$ and it’s lowered my power bill by 130$ a month. That’s a win.
>>533925618>not sure on the numbers for doing that.panels 5kw an hour when sun is rockingcar battery is 30 - 80kwand yes you can use battery for house
>>533927209because people do it MOSTLY to save money and that's not possible in 97% of the USA. they also don't plan on installing it themselves, that's just another cost to them. it's not worth it to do that. people who want to do it for any reason other than energy independence, even on a small scale, won't be happy with the results here
>>533915402In California some parking lots are entirely covered, with the shade being provided by solar panels. It’s super nice, and that much area can produce in excess of what a store needs
>>533927963>panels 5kw an hour when sun is rockingoh well yeah i see what you mean now. when you said you can use 'a panel' it sounded like you meant one on the car or something.
>>533914821>get small ladder>take off small patch of snow>it just melts due to the panels absorbing heatOnly problem is the roof wasn't steep so they're really bad for winter month productions but 3 months of the year it wouldn't even make much power anyway so who cares.
Per kWh, solar energy is cheaper to produce and deliver than coal, oil, or natural gas. And solar energy gets cheaper every day, since the fuel supply is unlimited, while fossil fuels become more and more expensive to extract refine and deliver, because the fuel supply is limited.If you consider yourself a capitalist, a person who understands economics, or just a practical man, you should be able to see the plain truth that solar power generation is the most economically sensible and sustainable means of producing energy that exists. Plus it is distributed.
>>533911595>you can go off grid for less than 20k $ in solar panels and accumulatorsnope, have fun in winter.
>>533928641that wouldnt work her anyway. when theres 2ft of snow and ice frozen on the ground everywhere, im not getting a 30ft ladder out and then heading up to fuck around with solar panels iced over with hard layers like that. once i tried to clean off an RV roof after a foot of really heavy wet snow fell over night and that didn't work either in a much easier location. nah. mine will be mounted on a frame on the ground, where they can still get 2inches of ice rain building up on them, but that'll just have to stay because they'll only get damaged if i try to hack it off. might make the frame rotatable by hand. could just turn it when heading out for firewood. might not be worth it, not sure yet
>>533928856>winteroh yeah, shit. completely forgot about that! thanks for letting me know anon.
>>533911595You know what they say: “Off the grid, on the spectrum!”Haha I always good hyuck and a chortle off of that one, usually have to empty my urostomy bag shortly after
>>533928809>>getting cheaper>PV manufatoring consumes 30% of all physical silver in the world>silver price doubled the last yearkekerino, the time for cheap, subsidies pannels is over, especial when the have burned thorugh the cheap stock and actually have to dig into new ones that are made with current prices in mind.
>>533911595Will my hi-fi system operate correctly off of dirty inverted power?
>>5339291213 dollars worth of silver per 100w
>>533927209threes lots of envy by people living in flats - ive invested in panels 5 years ago and due to energy cost spikes starting in 2022 it paid for itself in 3 years - i have still 5 years warranty on inverter and 20 years on panels so im probably looking at more or less free energy (depending on a season) for next 10-15 years... probably will buy bigger battery that will negate most of the savings - but with dynamic energy tariff its still possible to charge it at close to zero or even negative prices even in winter due to wind power overproduction...
>>533929121>the time for cheap, subsidies pannels is over, especial when the have burnedwhich is why I have mine already, even not using themwill we gets lots more inflation this year anyway, thanks to orange nigger
>>533929434mine doesn't. gonna need a fancy sinewave thingamijig
Will the battery reserves provide enough juice to dry my linens in my 240V dryer during darkness after four overcast days while watching television on my old CRT?
>>533911595it's a lot cheaper to just pay for electricity
>>533914553Why did they do that? its extremely stupid.
>>533911595True, you could also install a propane tank for heating in the winter.
>>533929851no. heat with wood or dry outside (yes, even in winter)
>>533929851lolof course you know it wont>>533929860>it's a lot cheaper to just pay for electricitynot anymorei have friends in italy they pay 33 cents a kwh, plus connections and surchargeswe pay 20 here, and my country is net electricity producer
>>533929964>Why did they do that? its extremely stupid.jews are seething cunts
It’s crazy how hostile people will get over nothing. Don’t like solar power? Don’t invest in it.People here telling other they should be in a concentration camp for being even interested in solar power. That’s a little much, don’t ya think? If you people aren’t working for the utility companies, they should paying you because you’re certainly serving their interests. Odd that practically no one has even mentioned the environmental impact of solar power over fossil fuels. Off grid = survivalists. Do you believe the power can’t or doesn’t go out? I lost $500 worth of food to a power outage and that why I started using solar as a emergency backup I haven’t plugged my tv into the wall in months. I wash my clothes on solar. I charge all my devices on solar and I cook a lot of food on solar. If the power goes out I have lights and refrigeration taken care of. How about we try to accept that something can be good for other people even if it’s not what works for you?
>>533929437And everyone knows that solar panels can only used once.
>>533930105Rare. Not the flag but the point of view being this freedom loving, even for an American. Maybe you have to tell other Americans that solars are like guns and you should just let people enjoy their freedom.
>>533930105>I lost $500 worth of food to a power outagehow long was the outage? in summer i guess because a deep freeze will go 5 days without the top getting soft in my basement when its 4-5c down there
why become independent when you can buy opec oil, i don't get itwe can't monetize the sun so you can't use it, end of story and antisemitism
>>5339302311/50th of a solar panel is the price of silver.Thats like complaining salt doubled in price and now you can´t cook food.
>>533927209Because it's extremely silly to make everyone install panels everywhere when we can just put down a nuclear plant.Society cannot function when you have to do everything yourself. If you want cheap, reliable, green energy then you should be pushing for nuclear.Solar and wind is for when you want to be independent or when you are too far from civilization.
>>533916149these things pay for themself within two years in germanyPanels are dirt cheap, the micro inverter is dirt cheap and electrical installation literally free
>>533913586I bet you also use a rice cooker. Analysis says you can’t cook.
>>533930327About two days in summer. Some of it was ok and that’s a round number but it certainly pissed me off enough to look for a backup option.
>>533911595I'm on solar with batteries, the only time i'm on grid is in december, and i just take the month off anyways then and the solar still generates enough to keep everything running. I generate enough to keep the EV charged, run AC all I want, etc. etc. My power bill is zero. I export enough to get credits back, typically $300-400 a year from the power company.
>>533911595>hails>ruins your day no thx
>>533930252Thank you, sir Be well, fren.
>>533930607yeah because in the summer you can't legally have AC, right? so you open a window and sweat and stink
>>533911595I honestly don't get how the libertarian right in america seems to hate solar panels and love oil and gas.Its how you know american's aren't actually principled.
>>533929121After a few decades, 99.9% of the materials in a solar panel can be renewed. When fossil fuel is used, it's gone forever, transformed into pollution.
>>533930749yeah i dont blame you. modern freezers dont need much to start and run anyway. what size inverter do you use for it?
>>533930969>transformed into pollution.hahaha good bait
>>533914310I have that kind of money but I don't have a house (houses are a million dollars)
>>533912996A roof mount is fine, as long as you sync it up with your roof maintenance. Then it actually is good since in the time your roof needs to be replaced is about the same amount of time to get to the ROI point of the panels, and then you can make a decision to upgrade the panels when you have to replace your roof, or keep them for another roof cycle. I don't get how boomers think owning your own powerplant is a bad idea. I'd do it in a heartbeat but I don't have money or a job or a house.
>>533930535It’s 3 dollar worth of silver per 100 watts times the life span of the panel. Hoarded silver isn’t actually doing anything accept freezing value. I’m a silver investor too. Base needs have to be met (energy) before anyone can save anything.No point in saving silver bars if you can’t cook or store food.
>>533931239>freezing valueYes and advertising solar panels increases the scarcity and therefore the price of your held silver. I see what you did there :)
>>533930105Boomers will unrionically tell you that you could have saved that $500, by investing in a $15000 gas powered generator that still needs to be connected to a grid to work. But that a $20000 Solar array that generates power all the time, and not just when the power goes out, and the $10000 Battery to ensure you have that emergency back up, is some how a bad ROI and doesn't make sense. Boomers are retarded, and too many people give them credit. To me owning my own powerplant, in an age when energy is such an important resource (see oil) is a no brainer.
>>533930815all quality panels can handle golf-ball sized hail without any problems. It's just one more thing to add to insurance, anything that size will fuck up my roof anyways and insurance will cover it.
>>533931426>To me owning my own powerplantYup, this exactly. when power is out, i don't even notice or care
>>533931426>To me owning my own powerplant, in an age when energy is such an important resource (see oil) is a no brainer.same herecant trust anything anymore
>>533931166>I don't get how boomers think owning your own powerplant is a bad ideato be fair it is only lucrative now due to rampant inflation and chinks flooding the market.Subsidiesed PV in 2010 had a breakeven period of 10 years. The only reason it took off at all was the stock market being shit after 2008
The worst part is that people think you can't do solar and nuclear, and hydro and geothermal, and that you have to pick a camp. But energy is so god damn important we really should be going after all them. If energy can be used to make you money and is vital to that purpose, then investing in energy only makes sense. But for some reason retards seem to pick a side and then vehemently disagree with anything that isn't their preferred energy source.
>>533931025I actually use ecoflow solar generators that have the inverter and interface in one package. I have a few of them in different sizes for redundancy and to distribute them where they’re are needed This keeps them independent of the house wiring and portable for camping/ outside projects etc. it wasn’t planned this way but it works out. I stated small and sort of collected a few. I want a larger one that will do 220 so I can push the oven and the dryer but as it stands it a good backup supplement situation
>>533911595nobody is stopping you
>>533915793I hate you fucking niggers.t. electrician
>>533931608I used to advocate for solar + nuclear (wind kinda sucks) but what I can only imagine were paid EU shills would start talking doom and gloom about nuclear.I've recently learned Austria blocked a French reactor and straight up built a reactor themselves and never even turned it on. Those guys don't get enough hate and some of the stuff blamed on Germany is actually their smaller, retarded cousin.
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>>533917451>my local utility will charge you fines for feeding power back into the grid without payingYou are the niggers that almost killed me because your retarded installations and backfeeding of power to the grid.
>>533911595>20k $probably cheaper to just use the grid, to be honest. it is where I'm at anyway.
>>533931621those seem a pretty good idea for backups. compact and easy to move around like you say. >>533931966the thing with solar and wind is that you have to build capacity to cover their output when they aren't working much. its why they are often called 'unreliables'.
>>533932230You can diy a decent system with 20k.
>>533931368Hmm.lol
>>533931239>>533930105I never lost food to a power outage because yurup, but powering a fridge-freezer with solar makes sense.Refrigeration is the largest consumer in a home, at least for me.it does 300w an hour, or 7.2kW a day. A 1300W array and a battery will cover its consumption for 24/7 operation.
>>533932313that's 11.3 years on my local grid. we often get hail too.
>>533932138You can actually touch live 220V lines as long as your resistance is high enough not to cause the current to flow towards the neutral or ground through you.
>>533931426I’m a Hurricane Katrina survivor so I certainly don’t trust the institutions to take care of anyone when the shtf.
>>533932535no shit retard.you are all still dumbass monkey niggers.
>>533924293>Solar and wind have extremely low EROI that you can't use them , on a large scale they are below survival.The same boomers who will complain that solar isn't good because it doesn't work "at scale" will also tell you a personal anecdote of their success in response to any complaints about the state of the economy.
>>533932509Ofc all depends on how much power you use
