If everyone presses Red, we all live. You people are absolutely fucking retarded.
>>533915018100% of prople never agree on anything. Only 51% have to press blue and nobody dies.
>>533915144You have to remember we are pressing the button vs. billions of Indians, Chinese, Russians, Africans, Muslims and Hispanics.If it was just White Americans pressing the button, I might go Blue for moral reasons, but red is always the logical choice.
>push green>50% of people become colorblind>push purple>50% die at random 50% survive>push brown>browns can't reproduce anymore but get evenly distributed outside of africa>white button>asian male disappear=hapa century>black button>legal duels in every country for whatever reason>pink button>troons pogroms by lesbians>yellow button>brazilians evolve into humans>radioactive button>india gets nuked but you get cancer
>>533915144>People are unpredictable retards>Thus you have to press the "opt into suicide" button instead of the "absolutely no personal risk" buttonBluebies are so fucking stupid omg
>>533915018You press blue in the poll to win free social credits; you press red in the real situation.
>>533916713In the "post suicidal empathy" world reds are destined for the social points would be for pressing red.Being an idiot socially is only a virtue in the matriarchy and all of those fools gonna blue themselves out of existence.
>>533915144>killing yourself because some people are stupidkek
>>533915144Enjoy convincing 51% of humanity to join your retarded suicide pact
Bluers tongue my anus.
>>533915144there is only a single button that does anything. You can remove red and just have a blue coloured button that says "Press this button to start the suicide game with other people who press it or you can walk away">>533915373Red is the logical AND moral choice. And 99.9% people will press red when there is an actual gun to their head. If they could choose for their family they would also all choose red.
>>533915144If 49% vote blue then you have essentially killed half of the worlds population, bluecels need to get a fucking grip
>>533915018red = talmudic jewsblue = golden rule humansthe choice is clear.>hurr blues are the ones introducing riskno, you're the one shifting the bare minimum civic duty a civilized society asks of you onto the rest of the risk pool to fill, you midwit doublenigger. you're not an epic alpha wolf, you're a golem selling out your countrymen piece by piece just for a guaranteed scrap from the jew's table.
>>533917805/true
>>533915018we need less people around anyways
>>533918021>The idiots are signing up to get killed againNow bro hang on, hang on Let them cook.
>>533915018Bluetard pressfaggots btfo.
>>533918049>bluetard seetheI'm pressing the red button twice just because you exist.
>>533915018What if I press both? I didn't consider that, Mr. Buttonberg. Checkmate.
>>533917907kek
>>533915018no thanks im voting for the moderate party of rhode island
>>533915018where's the "kill retards making shit threads and the Jews paying them to make such shit threads" button?
>>533915745>rainbow button >alt right people become giant faggots>nothing changes upon pressing it
blue-button-pushers>"Let's work together">Establishes partnerships to achieve more than he could alone >Emotional core: Hope>Tolerates risk when there is benefit to himself or others>"I don't want them to suffer like I did.">Is defeated when deceived into trusting a Red and inevitably betrayed >Responds poorly to coercion, uses trust and cooperation to overthrow slavers>Tries to cultivate fellow Blues to create a community>Willing to risk his own life for the right causered-button-pushers:>"Fuck you, I got mine">Pretends to be a Blue while not actually contributing anything>Emotional core: Contempt>Pathologically risk-averse>"I suffered so why shouldn't they?">Is defeated when Blues identify him and exclude him from the fruits of their labors>Can be coerced to contribute - an ideal slave because his paranoia and selfishness prevent him from organizing a rebellion>Tries to poison others into becoming Reds purely out of spite; knows this will eradicate the structures he depends on to survive; can't help himself >Thinks anything with a non-zero chance of death is a "suicide cult"
>>533915018How's the airforce base?
>>533918748>take the poison pill or youre evil >:(youre a retard and immoral
>>533918748>red and blue button: red and blue political parties>retards pushing said buttons : meat golems>people questioning why in the fuck shall we push those button and obey whoever built them : antisemitic chuddies
Red buttons should be telling the people they want dead to vote blue so they can kill them
>>533918748I bet you watch anime
>>533918748Nobody will engage with this post with any sincerity anon.
>>533915018>press red: if blue wins you win, if red wins you win>press blue: if blue wins you win, if red wins you losehow is this even a question?
notice how bluefags have no decision tables, visual representations, or logical arguments for their side at all. the only defense they have is "youre a heckin bad person chud" because theyre oversoycialized liberal faggots
>>533918748What if you would press Red for the world, but press Blue for White people?
TOTAL BLUE DEATH
>>533915018But if enough people press blue then everyone lives as well, including the selfish retards that normally stand outside the human race and should otherwise be clobbered to death.It's not a test for survival, it's a moral character test. And if you press red you've failed it.
>>533915018Blue button.
>>533918748>emotional blue babbleThat's why it's easy to take advantage of them.
>>533919277The ones that should die are the retarded bluepressers. Blue = suicidal empathy for no reason at all. Fuck blueggers.
>>533915018What button can I press to guarantee that I no longer live with blue buttons?
>>533919155That is a logical argument though.Red pressers are the same as those people not returning shopping carts. Nigger behavior that makes civilization impossible.Those people are literally the same faggots not caring where their next breakfast comes from because they had breakfast this morning.Red = Niggerbutton. Are you a brownoid?
>>533919277Wait this is a real thing? What's the exercise?
>>533915018Some people have a death wish.
>>533919277It's a logical test, not a moral test.You're competing against 90% 3rd worlders and 10% 1st worlders (White people and Japanese) in the world scenario. Red is the only logical option as Blue is suicide.If the scenario was changed, it's possible Blue may become both the logical and moral choice.
I'll show you guys the right answer as soon as someone tells me the question.
>>533919427>Red pressers are the same as those people not returning shopping carts.Pressing red causes no harm at all. Pressing blue does. Pressing blue is sending your taxes to Israel.
>>533919431It's some dumb twitter meme thats shilled here for some distracting reason.Press red button: You will livePress blue button: Everyone will live but only if more than 50% also pressed blue
>>533915018let the blue button pushers deal in the real world.
Assuming this is it... lol. I weep.
>>533919524>Pressing blue is sending your taxes to Israel.Pressing red is sending your taxes to Israel + Elon Musk. You also bought a Trump bible for 1000 dollar that was made in China for 20 cents. Looks like I just won the argument, better luck next time buckoo!
>>533915373This. Press the red button or leave your life in the hands of Jews and Indians.
>>533915018Thats what i was saying on asmongolds stream chat yesterday! everyone is so retarded. pressing the blue button is completely performative. >>533915373this, most of the third world would hit red.
>>533919581Question itself is just a humiliation ritual. Don't answer it.
>>533919508>If the scenario was changed, it's possible Blue may become both the logical and moral choice.It will never be the moral choice. Press red: literally nothing happens. Press blue, introduce the possibility of death.
>>533915018can i pick both buttons?
If the vote is private, I don't have to tell you.
>>533916899>In the "post suicidal empathy" world reds are destined forYou'd be left with a bunch of tankies and pragmatic socialists
>>533918748>>533919134this whole thing is flawed but>Pathologically risk-averseLOL Walk onto your nearest interstate and start dancing and running between lanes. There is no potential reward for doing this if you live, but it's certainly a risk and if you don't take this risk then you are risk-averse. <- This is the mind of the bluetard.
>>533919766That's true.
>>533915018press red to kill the blues
>>533919508Counter argument, blue is the option to openly join a suicide cult to send this gay jew earth into oblivion due to a lack of self sacrificing whites. How do you respond?
>>533915018>not pressing blue and leaving it in the hands of God
>>533918748Notice how even though the vote is private, his example is ruthless competition and open secrets.
>>533919875I'd press Red.
>>533919931Makes sense if you worship niggers
>>533920075Of course you would, I wish you all the best jewanon
>>533915018The meta layer is understanding that bluefags are lying virtue signalling retards who would panic press red to save their lives with real stakes on the line. Pressing blue would be committing to be part of the actual minority of extremely stupid people or ideological martyrs for no real reason. And even if I’m somehow wrong, if 51% of the world picks blue we all live anyway. There’s absolutely no rational reason to pick blue. There is a somewhat rational reason to SAY you’d pick blue; to appease liberal feminist culture and increase the chances of a leftist woman having sex with you. But that’s low T over socialized behaviour for simps so I refuse to do that either.
>>533920124Zozzle
>>533919803>All the smart, rationally self interested people will be left with actual cannon fodder>The moralfags holding us back from fixing shit will be half dead and demoralizedDon't threaten me with a good time.
Basically I'm just not going to press it (the button).UGH... I know. But basically I'm just not going to press it is all. Hahahaha
Women will press the blue button so you probably have to press it to try and keep them all alive despite themselves.
>>533920316The real problem is most of the bluefags would actually pick red at the last second so we’d live in a world where a bunch of really dumb people or martyrs are gone and we’re left with the same performative empathy narcissists who now have their guilt complex jacked to infinity after having failed their own test.
We press blue for freedom
You would have to be retarded to push the blue button.Pick a button: this one means you live, regardless of whatever else happens. This one means you need to convince at least 50 percent of the population to press it along with you or else you die if you press it. Liberals are retarded.
>>533919427more emotional babble lol bluefags are embarrassing
>>533920387Would they? They say they’d pick a bear over a man in the woods online too, but in real life every recording of a woman encountering a bear has them screaming and running away. Women are naturally the most selfish since they carry children; they’re evolutionarily wired for self preservation. But, they’re also wired for prosocial engagement and agreeableness. So, in a warped, inverted virtue culture like ours, they’re appeasing their social instincts by SAYING they’d pick blue, but in reality their core survival instincts would compel them to pick red. If this wasn’t true women would make modest sacrifices to ensure the wellbeing of their nations and race, but they don’t at all.
>>533917907>>533920387There's some serious wisdom baked in the Adam and Eve story. I'm not even a Christian btw.
>>533918080>/pol/ is full of low-trust sociopathscolor me surprised
>>533919236Red-button-pushers, despite existing within every race and ethnicity, are spiritually niggers>>533920034Red-button-pushers brag about how pushing the Red button makes them clever and rational, but only when anonymous - in every other context, they put on a Blue-button-pusher mask>>533919815Red-button-pushers think saving countless people's lives is equivalent to dancing in traffic
>>533915745>>radioactive button>>india gets nuked but you get cancersmall price to pay to remove the global cancer
>>533920663I have high trust for my fellow man to have a minimal notion of personal responsibility.>I press red
>>533920663Your idea of trust is the same as those women who gallivant across India or wherever and get killed. Self destructive naivety isn’t the same as earned trust amongst peers. The scenario involves the entire planet voting anonymously and without any collaboration. If you trust people under those conditions you’re just as retarded as those women.
>>533920805Right. The bluefag logic hinges on oversocialized moral weighting of self destruction. It’s the same basic shit as christfagging; the highest thing you can be is a self hating, self destructing martyr.
>>533919508>If the scenario was changed, it's possible Blue may become both the logical and moral choice.>its only moral when I know beforehand that blue will win.I think the whole point of the exercise is the uncertainty of the outcome. Will you do good even if it risks your own life?
>>533920749i would openly be red becaus im not an oversocialized group consensus FAGGOT like you and rhe other blues. pressing blue is jumping into traffic and demanding others jump into traffic with you. you are suicidal and i have no obligation to keep you from killing yourself
You're on a game show with 99 other contestants. The game is simple, there are two buttons:If you press the red button then you instantly win a million dollarsIf you press the blue button then you might win a million dollars, but only if at least half of the other contestants press blueWhich button do you press?
>>533919701You press the red button and you might survive along with indians and jews. You are the same as them red button pusher.
>>533920899Red, like everyone else.
>>533920220>if 51% of the world picks blue we all live anywaySo you want the benefits of a high-trust society while you are low-trust yourself. Interesting mentality.
>>533919648If it's truly "everyone" then you could make an argument to push blue based on protecting toddlers and infants who just pushed blue randomly.
>>533915018I can reasonably predict that most people will pick blue, but I press red just in case so it's a win/win situation for me, I'm just a +1 in an endless ocean of voters so my vote is negligible in the grand scheme of things, but if I press red I get to live either way
>>533921020Wrong. 51% or more of the population choosing blue is only one of the possible outcomes. The other outcome is 49% or less choosing blue and all dying. Given no actual way to predict what the global outcome will, the only rational choice is red. Saying blue is the “high trust” option means you admit you trust billions of browns, blacks, and chinks with your life. That’s not very intelligent.
>>533919648>60% of people are virtue signaling hypocrites that want to put their life at risk and force other people to do the same for some fake moral superiority GRIM
Everyone is morbidly obese on board a trolley. Due to the sheer weight of the passengers, the trolley is unable to leave the station. If over half the passengers stay on board the trolley, nothing happens and everyone is fine. However, if over half the passengers get off the trolley to go to fat camp, the trolley soon departs and shoots right off a cliff, killing everyone on board.Do you get off the trolley, /pol/?
>>533921242Obviously. Why would I stay on some death trap?
>>533921187I guess red would be the right choice if you dont believe in any transcedent values. I understand where you are coming from.
Blueniggers really continue to prove they aren't human.
>>533921418There’s no “well I get it because you’re not as enlightened as me” element to this. What you don’t understand is you’re exhibiting the mind virus itself; the pathological liberal self destruction that actually results in low trust societies and the atomization of everything. If your mindset was “transcendent” then liberal women would be creating the most prosperous civilization in history. But empirically it’s the polar opposite. The scam is believing self destruction is superior to self preservation, even though self preservation is the prerequisite to actually building a good world.
>>533920387I've thought about this as well.
>>533920749>press the blue button, goyim!
>>533921332u just killed half the passengers u bigot
>>533921553Think harder; women are performative virtue signallers who instantly shift to self preservation the second there’s any real stakes. You’d scam yourself into dying and 99% of women would pick red.
>>533915018I would press the red button because I am selfless and want everyone to live
>>533915018>Red Button vs. Blue Buttonthere is no way people are being this fucking stupidEveryone can just push the "I live" button, there is no reward for pressing blue button and there is no punishment for pressing the red button. Unless you firmly believe that at least >50% of people will push blue there is no reason to even consider pushing it, but those >50% have, again, no reason to push it in the first place>>533915144except I don't need anyone to agree with me to be safe while pressing redbut if at least >50% don't agree with me when I press blue I die
>>533920879This is probably just my autism brain, but my worry in the blue pressing scenario is that so many people press it (let's assume 40%) that we have a total economic collapse, leading to logistical issues, mass-starvation, the power going out, tribal warfare from city to city, etc.Red is the correct answer, but you might have a lot of idiots killing themselves because they can't think rationally, leading to billions of Red pushers dying anyways.
>>533915018i don't care how you reframe it i'm not voting for killingnecessity absolves nothing, logic absolves less
>>533921754The logic is that some people will inevitably be stupid enough to press blue or make a mistake and press blue, so blueoids think that morally obligated you to risk your life saving them. The problem I have with that mindset is it applies to absolutely nothing in reality. We all could risk our lives to save stupid people every day and most of us choose not to. Why does that choice suddenly become some moral ill just because it’s rephrased as a contrived thought experiment for online liberal women to virtue signal?
Here is a variation:Which button would you advice your child to choose and why?
>>533915018if it was only europeans/whites that were pressing i would press blue but since the entire world is given the choice you would be voting against billions of jeets and chinks, africans etc who will 100% be pressing red so it would just be suicide
>>533920899Society is still intact in this scenario though.Imagine the same scenario, but it's an island with 100 people. You press Red and 40 people die. You now have $1 million, but most of your fisherman, farmers and construction workers are dead.
>>533921829Still might as well press red. If you’re right and the world collapses: we die. If you’re wrong and only like 10% of the world presses if, we probably live. If you’re wrong and 50+% of the world presses it, we all live. There’s still no logical reason to pick blue as an individual.
>>533915018>Choice 1: you live>Choice 2: your life depends on othersOnly retards would press blue and that's a good thing.
>>533917248>the same retards that complain about low trust societies
>>533921974I agree. It's just a curious thought.
>>5339209413rd world shitskins outnumber Whites in Europe or North America, they're all pressing the red button
In a way, red vs blue button is a perfect summary of right vs left wing politics.Red button pressers: every man for himself, no empathy for others. Thinks people don't deserve to live if they pick the wrong color button.Blue button pressers: willing to risk themselves to protect others. believes that people have a inherent right to live, even if they made a mistake
>>533920523Ah sweet, are you comparing the red button to the guy who said, "For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it"?
>>533920888>Would beWhat's stopping you? Go stand on the street corner and tell everyone you see that you wouldn't piss on them if they were on fire. You won't because conforming to social desirability is what benefits you. Red-button-pushers have no values or principles; everything is transactional. "How does this benefit me?" Incidentally, many are not very good at making that judgment and accidentally do things that disadvantage them.
>>533921038>>533921892this is not how thought experiments work, if you add some stipulation like "toddlers/old people/retards might press blue by accident" then that becomes a completely different problemif at the end of the problem was>You know with absolute certainty that at least 5% of the population will press blue no matter what, the only way for them to die is for another 46% of people to also choose bluebut as it is now there is absolutely 0 upside to ever consider pressing blue. Imagine there is a gun to your kid's head and says >"Choose A or B, if you choose A I just let the kid go, if you choose B if will let them go only if at least 5 other people choose B, otherwise I will kill them"Even if there were 100000 other people There is no universe in which you even consider choosing B for a micro second
>>533922163The blue dudes want 4 billion people to put their life at risk so they can have a fake and gay moral high ground , they are the true evil sociopath
>>533920663Pareto moment. 80% of the logical thought comes from 20% of the population I guess. The sociopathy is a projection, psychos/socios are often world class liars. They're great at playing pretend and they know exactly what idiots want to hear. They're the most likely people to tell others they pressed blue. You're confusing honesty with sociopathy and that's very sad but who am I kidding, you're doing it intentionally because you're a horrible person that fears the truth. >>533920749No it's just a serious risk without a reward
>>533921536You actually think a post bluefag world would be anything but a hellish world full of nothing but red-button pressers? Think about what kind of mentality you are snuffing out if you kill bluefags. You are getting rid of people who think there is hope for the world. How is altruism magically supposed to come back if you just murdered all of the altruists? You call altruism a mind virus. Also, inmigration being unable to vet good migrants is a different discussion. That seems like a problem with the vetting process and not the desire to help itself.
>>533921964>Imagine the same scenario>You press red and 40 people die???That's not the same scenario...Perhaps you meant to type "imagine a new hypothetical scenario"and then also forgot to specify what the buttons do in your new scenarioand also forgot to answer which button you would press in the game show scenarioWhy did you even reply to me with this nonsense
>>533922163The blue dude want 4 billion people to put their life at risk for some fake and gay moral highground , they are the true sociopath
I'd push the blue button.I don't think I'd want to live in a world full of people who would choose to push the red button in this scenario.
>>533922411Pathological altruism is the mind virus. I’m a red presser and I volunteer at a soup kitchen, help people whenever I can, advocate for a return to civic discipline, high fertility, family formation, etc. The problem is you think red is some purely selfish calculus made exclusively by sociopaths. In fact, it’s the opposite; I want to live so I can keep trying to build a better world. You want to risk dying to perform moral virtue signaling for strangers online. If you were actually right, the bluefags majority in our culture, the liberals and women, would be actively sacrificing their luxuries to build a better society, have more children, etc. They don’t. The bluefags sacrifice absolutely nothing for anyone, ever.
>>533921909Red because it's the rational choice.
>>533922511You already do. Twitter polls arent valid.
>>533920749>>533921038I totally agree. You are right. We must convince many more people to convince the blue button. I'm putting you two in charge of this task because your zeal makes you perfect for the job.
>>533922163Empathy for others would be never pressing the blue button so you don't have to trouble your fellow man with the proposition of risking his own life to save you. You push blue because you're an irredeemable narcissist that makes the world worse than it needs to be out of.. boredom? sadism?
>>533920811You see the entire planet as low trust subhumans. But does it occur to you that you’re part of that group?
>>533922664I understand that. But we're not in a situation where we've pushed the buttons, now have we. And, given that, this is a world that has a mix of red and blue button people, even if red button people are in the majority.People here argue that everyone lives if everyone pushes the red button. But everyone also lives if everyone pushes the blue button. People who argue in favor of pushing the red button are just looking for a way to excuse their selfishness.Given the choice, I'd pick the blue button and death every time because people who would look for a reason to pick the red button aren't worth living among.
>>533922241emotional seething bluefag melty lol they still think the only reason you would ouck red is because you hate others. low iq and irrational. you are a nigger
>>533922759No, I’m white.
>>533915144you will never maintain 51% indefinitely, retard. you will have to eventually push the red button to force people to push the blue button, you stupid fucking idiot. nothing lasts forever. and you're a hypocrite. a stupid one at that.
>>533922793Yeah. They don’t think of scenarios like someone picking red because they don’t want to die and leave their kids without a parent. Their entire world begins and ends at pathological virtue signaling regardless of the outcome. They’d try to put on their kids oxygen in a crashing plane first, pass out, and get everyone killed. They prefer to look moral instead of being effective at actually solving problems or making a difference.
>>533922837You advocate for 3rd world thinking.You are spiritually brown (or a jew).
i'll make all the women believe hasan piker is actually jew in disguise, what happens then?i can haz cheezeburger?
>>533921954kind of retarded dilemma to begin with since you lose nothing if everyone pressed red
>>533918748This. Red pushers are selfish cowards who fear death. Probably mostly brown.
>>533922767>selfishnessit's selflessness, you just can't accept it because you're afraid to think. I don't want to add another problem to a stranger's plate >>533922698 meanwhile you seem to have no issue with that.
>>533922986Killing your self in solidarity with the horde is just the same pathological self destruction that’s resulted in your country turning into a shithole. If you were right, liberal places would be utopias with high trust and high fertility. Explain why instead these places are atomized consumer shitholes with extinction TFR?
>>533922449I have a fever, sorry Fren.
>>533918049>>533918166we could just shoot the old people.
>>533923049>retard pretending he's above self-preservationyou are non-human and a liar. fuck off.
>>533923049I'd rather live in a world where 51% pushed blue than one where 100% pushed red.The latter doesn't sound like a worthwhile place to live at all.That's what it boils down to for me.>>533923085There's nothing selfless about it at all. You're driven purely by self-preservation. Looking for an excuse not to think about others as well.I'd rather push the blue button and lose than push the red button and win. The world isn't worth living in if it's only made up of red button people.
>>533923049Pushing blue is pure virtue signalling
>>533923003>since you lose nothing if everyone pressed redThis would mean there are not altruistic people. But there are. Our high trust societies would not exist without such people. You picked the selfish choice and then you pic your false premise to match that choice.
>>533923127Bluefags truly are insufferable. They have every opportunity to sacrifice their personal comforts or lives to make the world a better place and never do. Women who say they’d press blue also forego child rearing to pursue endless hedonistic luxuries, yet call us immoral for simply wanting to continue living. It’s pure retardation, pure mind virus insanity.
>>533923049If I fear anything it's dependence on the collective, but more than any fear, I value the self-reliance, logic, and ethics of reds.
>>533923182i see self-deletion in your future.
>>533923127The world worships and admires various men who have self sacrificed the world over. Those men despite being dead will outlive you.
>>533915144Why would you risk death by pressing blue?
>>533923182>The latter doesn't sound like a worthwhile place to live at all.OK so your real motivation is made clear. It's a selfish desire to make the world happy for you, and for that you're willing to kill 49.9 % of the population. The risk is worth it
>>533923270>>533923231when you guys are done arguing gog and magog you might come out of babylon's vagina and stop larping about colors
>>533923280Not at all. If I had my way, everyone would push the blue button.You're the one introducing risk for others by insisting on pushing the red button, which has no benefit above pushing the blue button apart from guaranteeing your own survival.
>>533923250You are a nobody and not sacrificing anything for anyone. You are a sack of meat who will run away in fear or beg for mercy on their knees pissing themselves. Trying to deny this is also non-human and retarded to do among humans because no real human would ever take this serious having been a human one's entire existence resulting in having DIRECT EXPERIENCE with what human nature is and how it works. You're larping as a robot or an alient. Fuck off.
>>533923355Bluefags claim that it’s impossible for everyone to pick red, therefore it’s equally impossible for everyone to pick blue.
>>533923246Hey, if that's what you have to believe to think you're somehow a superior and well-adjusted person for picking the red button, have at it.
>>533923182It's completely selfless and I've explained why. You can't wade into the logic because you know you'll get destroyed. Watch. You're the very first person in line to press the buttons which means no one has pressed a blue button yet. Do you still press blue?
>>533923386Is surviving the same as living?
>>533922614>I’m a red presser and I volunteer at a soup kitchenLmao. Uh huh. Why are you larping as a bluefag now? Maybe you do it but at gun point. Who knows.
>>533923386you're larping as the experts, the same ones who can't decide if boys are girls or not.>>533923250you're also a fucking faggot.
>>533923433I do.Because, again, I don't care to live in a world where everyone pressed red.
>>533923412You were literally saying stupid shit like the world is not living in blah blah blah thereby devaluing your own existence to zero. You're a retard. Fuck off or KYS. Either way fuck off.
>>533923355No you said it very clearly. you dont' want to live in the world where everyone pushes red because, you believe this world will not have a proper society that appeals to you. Ok it can't get any more clear than that.
>>533923452And you're a nigger, memeflag
>>533923210It’s anonymous retard. >>533923086>in solidarity with the horde(you) are the horde. >is just the same pathological self destruction that’s resulted in your country turning into a shitholeNo. It’s red button pushers who make selfish choices to import slave laborers. >If you were right, liberal places would be utopiasEveryone wants to leave into and move here so. Reproducing like vermin is not a flex. And our women have low fertility because red button thinking has infected their minds. They only think about whats best for them.
>>533923412Idk, I would press red and I do a lot for the community; volunteer work, helping others, being a net contributor. If red wins and the world is full of people like me we’d basically have a world full of hard working, disciplined people who believe in securing the future of their nation and race. Sounds like utopia to me. No more pathological altruism, no more feminism, no more mass migration of foreign hordes, no lore vilification of men and our ancestors, etc. In what way is this a loss?
>>533923463>>533923433>>533923487>>533923507nah, you're niggers.look at yourselves.
>>533923473Again, if that's what you take from my words, I think it ought to be easy to see why I wouldn't care to share a world full of people who think like you do.
>>533923533Niggers don't save other niggers from drowning, nor can they swim
>>533923218you are right but as i said since this sort of altruism is not common outside of "the west" it would just be suicide since they vastle outnumber us
>>533923514Reproducing like vermin? A bluefag antinatalist, who could have imagined. At least you showed your true anti human colours. This is typical because of course the most depraved and inhuman garbage must hide behind a masquerade of performative virtue and ethics.
>>533923538you will not change the worldnone of you willyour lives don't matterstop pretending like your lofty main-character-syndrome-induced ideals mean anythingyou are a retard because i know when you hear gunfire you run in the opposite direction. fuck off, retard.
>>533923538MAID is always an option for you. don't hog those organs, you racist!
>>533923581niggers like all of you hold the bible against the world because you thought you're GODS IN DA FLESH.you buried the youth alive to larp in CIA nigger codes.go to Hell with all your bundled faggotry.
>>533923605It's funny how you have to put words in my mouth and set up strawmen to put me down so that you can look down on me and feel superior.It says a lot about you and your mindset, really.
>>533923270The only decent answer I've seen to this very fair question is:Because some people that I love are stupid and will likely press blue, so I'm willing to take the risk to improve their oddsBut even that is retarded if 7 billion people are choosing a button. If the scenario gets reduced to a village-sized amount of people then it starts to make sense.I'd still press red.
>>533920663>low-trust sociopathsI trust other anons to not be retarded and press the red button.
>>533923668You are here larping like your ideals are worth more than self-preservation. You are a faggot tranny like all other faggot trannies who pretend this is true. It is attempting to exist in denial of one's own nature - very much like a tranny.
>>533921212needless to say if their own lives were at stake nobody would be pressing bluethere is no downside to pressing red, pressing blue is an unnecessary risk exposure
>>533923605I like your confession
>>533923734I think it's hilarious that you're seething this hard just because I picked a button color you don't like.
>>533923659You're growing incoherent elgin nigger
>>533923674Yeah the problem is if you actually want to try to save your family you’re better off pressing red so you’re still alive to help them. If some of them press blue and die that sucks, but you can still raise your other children or help other family. If you press blue you just die when you get outvoted by the horde, and now your whole family is dead or your kids are left without a parent. A big component to this premise the “secure your oxygen mask before helping others” element. Bluefags don’t understand the value of self preservation in helping others because they don’t actually help others; their ethics are 100% abstract and performative. They “choose” self sacrifice in abstract because they suffer no consequences from it. Red pressers understand it’s better to live than to die, if you want to actually make the world a better place.
>>533923793>>533923830ok tranny
>>533923839let's see you sit in the kangaroo court on international television explaining your red and blue button theory about life
>>533915144>Only 51% have to press blue and nobody dies.only retards would do that
>>533923872Yep, insulting others is the mark of a happy, well-adjusted person. Like I said.You're right anon. I was wrong. You'd be an absolute pleasure to share the world with. I mean, just look at you and the obvious state of your life.
>>533923586>they vastle outnumber usYou’re not part of "us". You’re part of them."us" will be gone if what you believe is true.>>533923603Yes, jeets, niggers, chinks, and jews are vermin. And you’re one of them.Quality > Quantity.
>>533923889Sign me up
>>533923605We (us blue pushers) don't have main-character-syndrome. That's projection at it's finest. We believe your life does matter, and we want you to live. By pressing red, you are saying that you don't give a shit about the people that voted for YOU to live. Fucked up, and I don't want to live in a world where those are the only people left.
>>533923941>>533923967you're not God, fat boy.
>>533915018I am the smartest human who has ever lived, and the more selfless human who has ever lived. I dedicated my life for mankind, totaly ignoring my own good, my own life.I would absolutely press the red button.The only benefit of pressing the blue button, is to put your life at high risk, to save literal braindead who can't use logic or can't read. And knowing mankind, 90% of people who say they would press blue in this vote, are lying to themselve. They would absolutely vote red if they would really die if blue dosnt win.
>>533923463and so out of your own selfishness and stubborn refusal to think, you'll force everyone into a scenario where they have to consider risking their own life to save you, gleefully introducing stress into the lives of everyone just because you place your own desires over their wellbeing. That or you're just a repulsive sadist which is equally likely.
>>533923975you're not a we, amphetamine freak.
>>533923985Of course not, you gotta get over your delirium, jeet
>>533923948You’re still responding? What’s the point, you’ve already outed yourself as an antinatalist subversive. Discouraging white fertility should be immediately punishable by death. There’s no arguing with a civic auto immune disorder.
>>533924002This is projection at its finest and you know it.
>>533923941go and mutilate yourself. go and stand in the gunfire. go waste your life. go. go ahead we're all waiting.
>>533924065you'll degrade as my blades sharpen
>>533922229More like>Here is a divine red button for everyone, it will override blue retard button.>Get killed by bluetards who cant get over themselves
>>533924025Why the hostility, memeflag?
>>533923975>We (us blue pushers) don't have main-character-syndrome.the level of insanity required to make such an utterance should result in one's institutionalization
>>533924106You're gonna get fired for such a poor show so close to the finish line you know.
>>533924144>>533924172yeah man, why would who want to kill you?
>>533924190English, nigger. Do you speak it?
>>533923975You’re exhibiting classical covert narcissism and performative empathy. Bluefags if they were truly altruistic would be happy for the people who press red, because red pressers get to live no matter what. Blue pressers are risking their own lives to try to save other blue pressers. If their true goal is for “me” to live, you’d encourage me to press red because that’s the only 100% guarantee that I’ll live. In actuality you just want to seem morally virtuous and helpful so you can hold it over the heads of people who disagree with you. Even your final statement is abdication: id rather just be dead than live in a world of people I don’t like! Pure selfish stupidity and self serving drivel masquerading as virtue signaling garbage. I pick red because I want to live, and I want to live because I still have good work left to do on this fucked up rock. You can kill yourself if you want, you’re not needed.
>>533924190That's a you question, why would anyone want to kill those willing to sacrifice themselves for others? Does it ruin your izzat?
>>533924247>>533924270you
>>533922793Projection is a common trait of red-button-pushers. You can't even complete a sentence. Either you're frothing at the mouth with rage at being called out, or you're an ESL brown who never mastered the Blue-button-pushers' language in the first place.>>533922984>because they don’t want to die and leave their kids without a parentExactly the kind of self-absorbed moral reasoning I'd expect from a red-button-pusher. "What about MY kids?" is only one degree removed from "What about ME?" Everything only has value to a red-button-pusher to the extent that it relates to themselves. Kids? Very close, valued. Second cousins? Not close, not valued. Distant non-blood relatives? Equal to pond scum, kill without remorse.The blue-button-pusher parent would reason that, while they obviously want to make sure their own kids have parents, there are tons of parents and kids out there and true rational morality dictates that they should choose that which they would prefer everyone else also choose in their place, i.e. save everyone.
>>533921754It's easier to get 51% of people to press the blue button, getting 100% of people to agree on something is near impossible.
>>533924249Red pushers are actively setting up the possibility for others to be killed, you're not half as smart as you pretend you are.
I don't get the point of dismissing the red button as selfish. Wanting to live is as natural as breathing. If you aren't selfish once in a while people will walk over you.
>>533924326Yeah that’s called healthy socialization not retarded universalist performative empathy that helps absolutely no one in the end. Your line of thinking is exactly why retarded women vote to flood our country with foreign hordes; they care more about the optics of caring about abstract ideals or foreign strangers than they do about the actual immediate surroundings and people they’re responsible for. If I bring children into this world I’m responsible to protect them. That’s a concept a faggot like you will never understand. If their other faggots out there also want to protect their kids, they should also press red. People like you should just be drafted into some peace corps and deployed around the world to live with and help all the people you pretend to care about all the time.
>>533924079I am not discouraging white fertility. Jews like you are. You want to live in a world with jewish 3rd world mindset, i don’t. Blue button pushers take personal risk so their group survives. Red button pushers import destructive individualistic thinking and people and our societies die by suicide.
if everyone presses the red button there is no possibility of anyone dying.bluefags are selfish narcists who do not value the community, others, and the greater whole. they value their own personal comfort above the greater good. they live selfish lives.it's just that ezpossibility of death:red: 0blue: >0debate: over
>>533915018Virtue signaling faggots press blueThey dieThat's the whole point
>>533915018QRD? I was busy getting laid and missed whatever gay nerd shit this button nonsense is.
>>533915018>press red button we all live>monkey's paw finger curls>we all live only to keep boomers aliveThe generation who birthed gen x, and millennials are vampirizing us; the prosperity that came after 2 world wars was given to boomers, who realized they could not live up to their fathers reputation, so they kicked the ladder out from underneath them. That's why we pay into social security that will dry up, why welfare programs were made, why cheap labor is imported, and why everything is getting more expensive. So the wealth that was given to boomers can grow, which means everything for other generations is much more expensive. The sad thing is boomers will all be gone well after things get too bad to fix with the ballot. They know this and that's why they say ,"I won't have to worry about it-I got mine." They're couldn't live up to the silent generation, so they cut everyone else down so we're forced to look up at them. Republicans are a party solely for economic conservativism that only serves boomers. It's a party that will keep us on life support until boomers finally flatline.
CIA slaves are all niggers
>>533924356The only tracks because some people voluntarily pressed blue, which is just as statistically likely as anyone else pressing red. Red pressers don’t have any additional moral weight compared to the blue ones. You could have picked red as easily as you picked blue, anyone could have. It’s a personal choice. Your arguments are non existent and if I’m not half as smart as I think I am I’m still clearly smarter than you so meh.
>>533923843That's getting kind of hand-wavey, talking about the good you'll live to do after the button pressing game is over. And also the subtle assumption that pressing blue is certain death (it isn't).If you just stick to the scenario then you should be able to understand the case for pressing blue (accepting the risk to help the dummies)I'd still press red.
>>533924249Nope, you're putting words in my mouth. I didn't say I didn't want to live in a world of people I "didn't like". I don't want to live in a world full of people who are selfish cowards. I believe your life matters, even if you are a selfish coward. I don't want you or myself to die, however, I'm not afraid to die. Red pushers are truly midwits that think they're smart. If the world was left with only the spiritual niggers, and actual niggers, that picked red, it would be hell on earth and I'd rather be with people that actually care about eachother.
>>533924361The possibility for blues dying doesn't enter the equation until someone hits red to save themselves, the reverse can be argued as well, but initially pressing red implies you were ok with randoms anywhere from 1 to 49.9% dying just to keep yourself safe where as if you just pressed blue you wouldn't contribute to the risk of having anyone die over a retarded button hypothetical. If you press red you're willing to see people die over a dumb hypothetical and pretend you're superior for framing it as safety
>>533924249>If their true goal is for “me” to live, you’d encourage me to press red because that’s the only 100% guarantee that I’ll live.I don’t want you to live. You selfish people turn the west into the 3rd world.Kill all people who think like you.
>>533924486Blue button pressers would rather indulge in frivolous consumer luxury than birth and raise white children. Your nonsensical moral posturing is an obvious sham and it’s insulting you think I’m stupid enough to fall for it. It only works on women and faggots.
There is never a reason to press red. I will not elaborate. If you don't know, you're a hylic.
>>533924549the silent generation just keeps their mouths shut in hopes of not being smothered in the retirement home or thrown off their balconies in mexico.you're all fucking retarded.
>>533924081>You can't wade into the logic because you know you'll get destroyed. Watch. Looks like i'm right again. When you lose you don't even have the decency to do it with humility. you have no problem with being the first one to press it because you prioritize patting yourself on the back over people's comfort. Your logic boils down to "if I don't do it someone else will" You'd probably kill someone in an unjustifiable way if it meant you could convince yourself you're a 'good person'.what would you do if 99 people came before you, pressed red and you were the last in line? Zero lives at stake, no one to save, no one to concern.
>>533924249Nope, you're putting words in my mouth. I didn't say I didn't want to live in a world of people I "didn't like". I don't want to live in a world full of people who are selfish cowards. I believe your life matters, even if you are a selfish coward. I don't want you or myself to die, however, I'm not afraid to die. Red pushers are truly midwits that think they're smart. If the world was left with only the spiritual niggers, and actual niggers that picked red, it would be hell on earth and I'd rather be with people that actually care about eachother.
>>533924352Do you know what is even easier than getting 51% of people to press the blue button? Pressing the red buttonI am under no obligation, moral or otherwise to risk my life because people were too retarded to understand that they can just pick red and nothing happens to them. They were not threatened, coerced, or convinced under the promise of a reward to press the blue button in the first place
>>533923948i would push the blue button if it was not a near statistical certainty that blue would lose because at that point it is just a suicide button you retarded germ
>>533923975Give me one reason to choose blue>"someone else might have pressed it"fuck off
>>533924651look at you fucking niggers
>>533915144even my 68 year old mother says you're stupid and wrong.
Its not even a choice that requires game theory, lmao
>>533924662>The silent generationThey're all dead
>>533924586Picking red states that others have a chance of dying, that is the moral implication, setting up a scenario to feel good about picking an arbitrary right choice and letting "retards" pick the bad choice and dying for it is all of the narcissism red pushers have been trying to impose this entire thread.
>>533924754gaslight and lie is why you old dogs are gone to Hell already.
>>533924725Not might. They absolutely will. And the reason they picked blue is because they care about you.... and you don't give a shit about them. Sad.
>>533924740for some reason people call this a prisoners dilemma-esque but there is absolutely no incentive to ever cooperate. Every prisoner can just choose to walk away and be free (red) or go back into prison and cooperate so that they may be able to walk free.
>>533924594You said blue pressers are trying to save other people including the red pressers. That was fundamentally incorrect. Blue pressers are only trying to save other blue pressers from the very predicament they themselves caused by selecting blue in the first place. Your assumptions about red people are also pure nonsense and projection. If red wins it means over 50% of the world selected it. For your assertions to be true it must mean we currently live in a world where more than half the population of earth are callous, craven, sociopathic, etc. Even in “high trust” society polls with no stakes, 40% of people seem to choose red. Dismissing every single one of them as bad people is the kind of anti-nuanced, anti-pragmatic thinking leftoids are known for. The classic “if you’re not with me you’re a monster” mindset. It’s retarded. I’d press red and I probably do more for my community in a week than you do in your entire life. The red society would be fine. Traditional, pragmatic, nationalist, family oriented. A world without faggots like you would be a big improvement.
>>533920663What "trust" is there in the prompt though??? nobody dies if everyone picks red. You can only increase danger to yourself and others by not picking red, so why the fuck would you ever do it?Blue is the dangerous option.You pick blue to defeat the threat that's been created by not everyone picking red.You're just fucking dumb
>>533924662Were you looking in a mirror when you said "you're all retarded"? The silent generation is gone
>>533924933>>533924594>>533924956blue zionist faggots will torture, murder and lie and will be tormented until they die.
>>533924815>I've been exposedGet off my lawn faggot
>>533924523Yeah the op is useless and didn't start the thread with the scenario:Everybody on Earth has to press either a red button or a blue button. If you press red, you are guaranteed to live. If you press blue, you die unless 50% or more people also press blue. Which button do you press?
Bluefags will pick blue to save retards just like libshits cant expect niggers to make good choices so they make the world worse for everyone so niggers dont feel bad. Red ia thw obvious choice for a high trust society. If yiu cant trust your fellow man to pick red you've failed
>>533924987let's see you die for it
Blue button retards choose to jump off of a bridge and then call you a bad person for not jumping with them.
>>533924933>That was fundamentally incorrect.No, nobody knows who's pressing what button, this implies they're assuming you maybe pressed blue, and everyone else maybe pressing blue too.
We need to turn this into a real polical movement so we can cull all the fucking ethical exhibitionists that have ruined my continent. Votes should be public for max social pressure.
>>533924990I looked it up. >>533925034
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>>533924509Accusing the other side of what you are guilty of is called gaslighting. It's literally a textbook narcissist sign. Red pressers are the narcissists because they only care about their own survival. Blue pressers are willing to risk our own lives to save others. That's the opposite of selfishness.
>>533924985Enjoy your talk with the feds. Inciting malice is against federal law.
>>533924469>Literally can't even consider a simple moral scenario without descending into "We're being invaded" hysterics.I can see you've lost your composure. When you recover, read Kant.
>>533924780Picking red simply guarantees I live. That’s it. Other people only die if they pick blue. If they do pick blue, why is that my fault? People kill the selves in real life every day. Should I be morally obligated to risk my life to save them all?
Blue is the real logical answer. Think about it. Do you really want to live in a world filled with nothing but low-trust subhuman red button creatures? I know I wouldnt. Why would you want to live in a world full of machiavellian psychos?
>>533925089gaslighting is just an attempt to light fire to your head full of air.>>533925098you thought feds never read the Bible?
>>533924700I don’t think it’s that unlikely that blue would win. It only takes a few selfish assholes to turn a society into a low trust one.And i hate low trust societies so much that it’s worth pressing the blue button either way.
>>533925118>there isn't a moral dilemma so long as I ignore itI see
>>533925089surrender to russia right now or forever be a faggot. go ahead press that blue button. do it faggot. do a flip when you do it. livestream it.
>>533925114Yeah basic math is “hysterics”. There’s no arguing with you civic pathogens.
>>533915018Is there a button to delete this whole nigger earth like (white button) ?
>>533925198There isn’t a mora dilemma because the original premise was poorly constructed. The prisoners dilemma or trolley problem has an actual moral dilemma because your choice imposes a consequence on others. My choice of red doesn’t force anyone else to choose blue. Can you articulate how I’m morally obligated to choose blue if I don’t want to? And again, am I also morally obligated to risk my life to save other people from suicide or accidental death in real life?
>>533915018Red is objectively the correct choice. Everyone is forced to play and everyone is given the same basic information that I am, and the obvious correct decision between “live for sure” or “maybe die” is the former, if people are stupid enough to independently choose the latter, that’s on them and it doesn’t reflect on me that they made a choice that requires risking my life to save them. By putting themselves in the blue camp the create the very problem they’re trying to solve. It’s just stupidity. I’m happy and alive in red, let the morons take their bluicide pill
>>533925120Blue people have the same fake morality of the leftist that bring the low-trust subhuman here in the west
>>533925120You don't actually understand the low vs high trust paradigm if you think it maps onto this theoretical. Red is a higher trust choice because the optimal outcome requires a unified vote.
>>533925120If that logic tracks wouldn’t you press red to guarantee you live and continue gracing the world with your holy altruistic presence? Why martyr yourself and leave the world in the exclusive hands of evil people? Do you care more about your personal virtue standing than your ability to live and actually help the world?
>>533925289>>533924780you can outright dismiss it again for a second time if you want, I'm not typing it a third time itt
>>533925319You are the low trust subhuman.
>>533915018My life isn't worth living if by continuing it may come at the expense of others, therefore blue is literally the only choice.
>>533924523Hello Chad.>>533924990Be nice.
none of you will press the blue button with a gun in your face. all of you will press the red button. you are liars for pretending otherwise. this right here is the source of all the evil in the world: the dishonesty towards & about humanity by humanity. the entire world exists in a constant state of trying to play stupid red-button games while trying to pretend to hold blue-button ideals. then it's just an endless circle of exactly this kind of debate.all you bluebutton faggots are liars. plain and simple. you have nothing to say that's worth listening to because it's just lies.if everyone simply admitted they'd press the red button then all of these evils and injustices would vanish instantly. bluebutton faggots are literally war criminals.
>>533925163People who press red are shortsighted and can't see long term consequences of seemingly meaningless actions outside of their own selfishness. They're cut from the same block as the indians who piss and shit in their own drinking wells, filthy subhumans who leave garbage everywhere, and degenerate scammers.They are little more than simple animals; cattle. They only react to the immediate fear of death, not the more terrifying reality of living in what would be the worst trait of every shithole (india, failed african states, etc.) combined and amplified. The fact that people are even debating that red is the correct choice shows just how far our society has fallen and that the internet should have never been given to the mundane.It's not about feel good liberal morality, it's about building a non-degenerate society and not wanting to live in a world where everyone is a low IQ, low EQ wannabe gangster thug. There is nothing you could threaten me with to make me want to voluntarily choose to live in the red button society. It is a worse fate than any form of torture imagined by man.
>>533924691You're the coward. It costs you nothing to think yet you still fear it. read these and understand >>533923433 >>533924002>>533925089same for you. I openly declare that i'm interested in my own survival, but it's also true that I would prefer it if everyone else got to be free from unnecessary stress.
>>533925503Go and implement it irl then faggot, roll the dice
>>533925506>Choose to jump off a bridge>This is your fault because you didn't jump too!Ok retard.
>>533925447I don’t think you’re genuinely smart enough to understand the question I’m asking, because your response didn’t actually answer it. You assert that me choosing red “sets up” the condition where someone can die, however the exact same thing is true of someone who presses blue. If you press blue you’re opening up the possibility that you can die if someone else presses red. No one is forcing anyone else to press either button. It’s a personal choice. So the question becomes, why did you press blue instead of red? And why is that my problem?
>>533925319Blue-button apologists are actually Israelis from the IDF Internet Task Force training anti-goy dialectics trying to understand how to convince goyim to die in the next US-Europe war.
>>533925585The bridge analogy is retarded. The question is this:>do you want to live in the worst indian ghetto for the rest of your life>or do you want a painless death
>>533925405I woudnt be comfortable with the idea of my choice having killed someone. Seems like a huge contradiction to argue you want to stay to help people while your choice of pressing red wiped out half of humanity.
>>533924780the possibility that someone dies only enters reality once someone presses the blue button, not the red one.
>>533925585the retard is literally talking about consequences of pressing either button while not realizing if everyone pressed the red button there would be no consequences AND they'd be safe from consequences entirely. they're idiots. totally beyond helping.we need civics and philosophy tests for the population before elections because we gotta filter these lunatics from the voting pool.
>>533925506If this drivel is correct you’re already voluntarily living in that world since you haven’t killed yourself yet. You’re not bunkered from the consequences of living in a world full of evil Indians and niggers because your own pathologically altruistic and retarded people are allowing those hordes to come to the west in greater numbers every year. If you truly couldn’t stand the implications you’d have killed your self already. But you haven’t because you’re a liar and a coward, like every other blue fag performer.
>>533925589Blue is objectively correct, I do not want to be forced to live around sociopaths who only value their own life. That would be worse than going to the Biblical hell of being punished for all eternity. Life is not worth living if everyone is only out for themselves.
>>533925654Your false dichotomy is so gay that there's no way you're not a woman or a faggot. You're the one choosing to stand in front of the juggernaut, derpeet. You're the brown-brained one here.
>>533915144>creating a problem where none existsIf you are smooth-brained enough to push the blue button, that’s on you if you end up in the minority.
>>533925689For my choice to kill someone it would have to be:>if you press red you live but someone else diesThat’s simply not the premise. If I press red, the only thing it does reliably is ensure I survive. The conditions make it sound like red pressers are morally responsible for the potential deaths of bluefags, but they’re not at all. Bluefags never had to press blue. No one has to. Some people might, sure. Statistically it’s almost a guarantee that some people might press it. But it’s also a statistical guarantee that some people will kill themselves or cause their deaths through negligence or an accident. Can you articulate any reason why I should be required to risk my life to try to save those people?
>>533925589>And why is that my problem?It's only a problem in the scenario you do pick red and it's over 50%, in not going to reiterate all of the more eloquently put reasonings it that detail the likely case scenario in that event. Picking red invites that retarded scenario in the first place, the safer guarantee is to pick blue and dying immediately in a blue death event or simply living. This is compared to picking red and living normally or living in hell on earth. Do I need to reword this or elaborate on it for you? I think I made my point across
>>533925780Sorry I'm not a degenerate murder like you. Hope you enjoy sucking baal's cock in hell after you die, you little bitchI don't have to justify my button press to you, but you have to endlessly justify and argue about how you're right to press red. That, in itself, shows that I am the one who is correct.
Can someone explain to me where this blue button vs red button came from and what are the implications of each one? I think I got a gist of it, but I may be wrong (red, rational individualism, blue, irrational collectivism)
>>533925689By pressing red you didn't kill anyone, the choice is basically "choose red , you live , choose blue , you have a possibility to die" : bluefags committed suicide
>>533925883>Jump off a bridge>"You murdered me so now you're going to sandnigger fairytale land"Pathetic
>>533925919>>533920663
there are many of you here who hate yourselves and your lives. you are dangerous to others around you because you will sacrifice the greater good for some sort of temporary rush that gives you the illusion you are alive, but this is imaginary and never enough. that is the greatest reason why blues are garbage: they make decisions for others and take away others' autonomy which is violence therefore they are hypocrites because there is no blue button, they are both red buttons - they are simply "my"-red button or "their"-red button.fucking idiots. you're not even real people to not understand this.
>>533925734We stick around because of other fellow bluefags, not because of psychopathic low-trust sub-human redfag vermin like you.
>>533925879No you don’t need to do anything because your argument is bad and makes dramatic assertions with no evidence, like the idea of red pressers “winning” is hell on earth. You have no reason to believe that’s true at all. In reality the vast majority of people on earth would probably press red so it would be like the bottom 10% of retards killing themselves. That’s not hell on earth it’s a nice improvement.
>>533925919If you press red, you live. If you press blue, you die unless more than 1/2 pressed blue as well.Probably from a twitter screencap, like 90% of threads.The collectivist option would be culling all the bluetards.
>>533925503You’re projecting just like the thief that thinks everyone else is stealing too.>They are little more than simple animals; cattle.They are worse than animals. Even the simplest animals like ants display altruistic behavior to save their colony because it’s programmed into them. The red button pushers are more like parasites. And we must control them/not let them in or they destroy our societies from within.
>>533926031All your "fellow bluefags" would press the red button if their life was really on the line. And they wouldn't even feel bad when you died.
>>533925506You just proved this guy correct >>533925503immediately, that’s hilarious
>>533925706Lol. You think it's an intelligence test, and it's not. Although you guys advocating for red do strike me as midwits or extremely autistic because you can't see the obvious....You can't get 99.9% to pick red. Won't happen. Even if you convinced everyone on this board, there would still be lots of people who pick blue, and those people would be people that didn't want anyone to die. You can't think they're stupid all you want, but again, this is not a test of intelligence, it's a test of morality. Again, you guys don't seem to understand that you can't get everyone to press red. It won't happen. So you are therefore sentencing the most altruistic people to death. You guys obviously care about your own survival more than your soul.I personally would want no part it killing tons of people that wanted me to live.
>>533926046How would you feel if you didn't eat breakfast this morning? How likely do you think it will rain tomorrow morning?
>>533925996they are trolling, no one would press blue
>>533925872>Can you articulate any reason why I should be required to risk my life to try to save those people?For the same reason you arguably go to serve in that made-up soup kitchen that only exists in your head. Because you care about them.
>>533926118there are no long-term consequences of pressing the red button. none. zero.you're both retards.
>>533926031I get it; you’re a low agency m, oversocialized fag who needs some liberal hug box to even function as a human being. You couldn’t live in a world without feminism and Reddit because then you’d have to actually accomplish something of value, which in your mind is hellish and sociopathic. The reality is people like you are the true burden to this world and especially to the west, and if this scenario actually happened I seriously doubt you’d press blue; there’s no way an insufferable cunt like you would actually voluntarily remove themselves and out themselves out of my misery. Your entire shtick is endless persistence and subversion. If you died I could breathe free knowing no faggot will ever vote to destroy our own nation or race again.
>>533925506Forgot the link: >>533926099
>>533925919game theory or general pessimism vs optimism
>>533926145But I didn't rain this morning.
>>533915018The only reason anyone sees this as a dilemma is because of the wording and framing. It's clearly absurd if you just reword it:Everyone must enter a private voting booth. There is a 1st button labeled: EVERYONE WHO PRESSES THIS WILL LIVEThere is a 2nd button labeled: EVERYONE WHO PRESSES THIS WILL DIE UNLESS 51% PRESS ITIt actually shows a lack of empathy to assume anyone would be dumb enough to choose the second one and it's narcissistic to think it's your responsibility to save anyone who might have.
>>533926123Nobody wants people to die. The question is whether you look at the world in terms of idealist fantasy or clear eyed realism, leftists construct a utopia in their minds and commit real atrocities against the humanity that actually does exist when it falls short of their imagination
>>533926103>And they wouldn't even feel bad when you died.Thats what makes them redfags, yeah.
>>533926205Why?
>>533920316Tankies are some of the most neurotic dumb fucks I've ever interacted with actually, it's funny how liberals I meet in real life have jobs, mid girl friends, cars, hobbies, tankies are just crying about politics and troon posting
>>533926252reds do not kill blues. only blues kill blues.
>>533926174My life isn’t risked going to the soup kitchen, and many of the people visiting the kitchen didn’t voluntarily press a button that made them hungry. I also like how you have to keep pretending I’m making up the volunteer work because your worldview is so absolutist you can’t fathom the reconciliation of someone who both cares enough to help the community while also not being pathologically self sacrificing. It’s exactly why liberal societies are so fucking retarded.
>>533926099So you model yourself as an insect as part of a swarm and then complain when the swarm jumps off the cliff >"it would have worked if everybody jumped off with me"but you're not the queen bee you little bugyou're just a bugYou wan to be the ruler but have no merit to earn such a title.
>>533926245Litteraly my point >>533925929
>>533925883You argue like a barking dog.>I don't have to explain anything. I'm right I'M RIGHT I'M RIGHT. I JUST AM WOOF WOOF RURURURURURUActual mental midget
>>533926071>>533925993Thank you anons, I'm pressing the red one, lol
>>533926224Kek, such kind words from the soup kitchen volunteer. No wonder you love to press red. I really love this social experiment. It filters redfags from the actual humans.
>>533926252Everyone is redfag when the chips is down. Bluefags are virtue signalers who'd instantly turn red when their life was actually on the line. Very few actual real bluefags (pathologic oversocialized altruists) exist. If the OP scenario actually happened for real, the real bluefags would be like 1-2% of button pressers tops.
rework the game to n=2. it is just you and me playing. if you pick red and i pick red, we both live. if you pick blue and i pick blue we both live. if i pick blue and you pick red i die for no reason. there is no circumstance where me picking blue benefits me in any way,- it only adds risk. aasuming the other player is a rational actor, they will come to the same conclusion and press red. in a game of rational actors, there is no situation where choosing blue saves my life, or the life of others. the same principle applies to n=3, n=100 or n=8,000,000,000. blues are irrational actors demanding that others put themselves in danger to solve an issue that was caused by pressing blue in the first place. i will not take the poison, i will not jump in the woodchipper, and i will not press the blue button, FAGGOTS
>>533926333You are correct. Reds are not actively killing anyone. They're just displaying their cowardice, and indifference to the people that picked blue.
>>533926252>Jump off of a cliff>"You're a bad person for not caring about my voluntary death ;-;"
>>533926468Wanting to live isn’t cowardice. Putting yourself in danger then getting mad at other people about it isn’t heroism
>>533926462Perfect response
>>533915373Glad to see Amerisharts get their opinion from Assmongolstein, I can now filter out your disgusting flag.
>>533926385The soup kitchen is an exposure to reality, the place bluefags do not live in. What, you thought someone who volunteers has to be some hyper socialized feminine faggot? Every day I’m there I see some of the worst of humanity paired with some gems that genuinely need help. Some of the outside volunteers who manage the lines are ex homeless themselves and can be very harsh and callous towards the more miscreant patrons. Life isn’t liberal lala land. When you’re a woman or effeminate man and you never live in reality though, I can see how you’d have these types of worldviews. Completely disconnected form consequence.
>>533926462And yet that's not the game we're dealing with, is it?
i feel like we're not acknowledging one very important detail:red world: the world & universe we live inblue world: completely impossible hypothetical fantasypressing blue is literally living in denial of reality.>>533926468>They're just displaying their cowardice, and indifferenceYou are not entitled to anything from anyone and arguing like you are, like you just did, is another reason why blues are typically the violent and stupid ones. Again: only blues kill blues. And they kill reds too. The reds merely exist. That's it. the blues CHOOSE to take action and exercise violence. The reds do not even calculate this. blues are criminals.
>>533926601Yes it is. Do you need someone to explain what he meant by n?
>>533926459>Everyone is redfag when the chips is down.Not everyone thinks the same way as you anon. This might shock you, but there are people out there who genuinely care about the well-being of others. Its not a larp. Also if 100% of people press blue. Everyone gets to live. Same outcome as 100% pressing red.
>>533925879>Picking red invites that retarded scenario in the first placeThe only thing that invites a retarded scenario is picking blue. Without some narcissist picking blue, there could never be the possibility of anyone dying.
Blue pushers are the type of people who would be in favor of a post-vote audit to see he voted red so they could be put to death. Collectivism is a mind virus.
>>533926601it literally is, retarded bluefag. the same exact thought process applies to n=8,000,000,000. All rarion actors should realize pressing blue is a net negative that only serves to harm themselves and others who now feel obligated to save them. all rational actors would press red. irrational bluefags are choosing to kill themselves and coerce others into their suicide pact.
>>533926678But none of those people are virtue signaling blufags. The compassionate thing to do is convince everyone you can to press the “I want to live” button
>>533926678Nah, I'm just a realist. Most people virtue signal, but most people are selfish as well. People who really genuinely care about the well-being of others above risk to themselves are extremely rare.
>>533926778*who
>>533926580>The soup kitchen is an exposure to reality, the place bluefags do not live in.Fucking lmao. I think its pretty obvious you are there because someone is forcing you to go. And not because of some sort of selfless altruistic sense. Why do you keep larping as a bluefag?
>>533920663No way someone properly polled 2,700 people within 24 hours of a meme question going viral. Those numbers are almost certainly fake
>>533926678You’re still not engaging with the fact that anyone who presses blue did so entirely voluntarily. The only information they have access to is the possible outcomes. This isn’t a collaborated social endeavour or an experiment that involves coercion or any other externalized consequence. If you’ve picked blue you’ve simply made a conscience choice to be among those potentially taking a risk of dying. If you pick red you’ve declared yourself safe in any outcome. If someone chooses blue they’ve chosen to voluntarily subject themselves to risk, and it’s highly immoral to universalize that risk to everyone else. Would be like if I threatened to jump of a building unless 10 other people jumped with me. You’re the one holding people hostage here, trying to guilt normal people into choosing a risky option because you’re a fucking idiot. The teilt altruistic would accept their worthless death and be happy smarter people get to live on in their stead.
>>533926655It's not just a two person game, lowering the player count to two people means red is defacto correct in a bad prisoners dilemma. Not considering the possible consequences of picking red and having anywhere above 50% also pick red is pure niggatry. Do you drive down the road when it's green or do you still look both ways and treat it as yellow?
>>533926123I think it’s an intelligence test because only people with higher IQs are able to think about more than their personal survival. >>533926341>So you model yourself as an insect as part of a swarm and then complain when the swarm jumps off the cliff Uhm i don’t complain that you think anyone jumps off a cliff. I complain about parasites in the colony.>you're just a bugI’d rather be the bug in a functioning society than the parasite among parasites.
>>533926776Picking blue you only risk yourself, picking red you risk someone else, and possibly more than just one person.
>>533926678Actually if 51% press blue, 100% lives. If 51% press red, 49% die. The argument for pressing blue is to ensure everyone lives, 0 deaths.
>>533926912this nigga cannot be serious. bluefags are low iq and cannot understand logical parallels
>>533926894Its okay anon, you will develop a genuine sense of altruism some day. Keep larping
>>533926912>Jumps off a bridge>"OMG don't you look both ways before crossing the street?!"Go stand in front of the juggernaut, sarr
>>533926855It really doesn’t matter what delusions exist in your warped tranny brain. You can’t handle pragmatic altruism because your brain is mush and you live in a realm of pure fantastical abstracts that can’t exist in the real world. Most leftoids suffer from the same delusions.
>>533926953>I think it’s an intelligence test because only people with higher IQs are able to think about more than their personal survival.yeah and blues fail that test because they choose blue, an impossible scenario, out of selfishness aka their own survival. good game, retard.
>>533924651lmao bluetards actually believe that Christianity is a blue religion and not red.remind me again what has to be done for Jesus to save you?
>>533919427>you have to take your shot for mine to work too. You dont wanna kill grandma do you chud? If it's flawed oh well we're in the same boat.If blues found out they were gonna lose I'd wager they wouldn't feel bad about everyone else they roped into voting blue they'd feel the most dread for themselves.
>>533926986Exactly, its even easier to save everyone by just pressing blue. Reds are just chosing to kill people for no reason. Just tell everyone to pick blue? Its not that hard.
>>533926462>there is no situation where choosing blue saves my life, or the life of others.This is probably the most retarded post I've read from someone trying to sound smart. What are talking about? If 51% picks blue, NOBODY DIES - that includes you. Unless that 50.01% or whatever is reached, guaranteed SOMEBODY will die, because the larger "n" is, the greater the chance that more people will pick blue. If you're trying to say there will be "only rational actors that will pick red", then you've just changed the hypothetical entirely.It's not a game of rationality. It's a game of value.
>>533927071Blues only exist because of Christianity. A jewish rabbi who tells goyim to die yeah that sounds like blue
>>533927145Just tell everyone to press red, is not that hard.
>>533927053Such a kind hearted response from the pure selfless soul. Surely a paragon of virtue. Except you want to push red for some reason.
>>533927056I don’t think you even understood the question. Blue isn’t the selfish option retard.
>>533927161>there is no situation where choosing blue saves my life, or the life of others.That's not what he said at all, and he is right, blues deserve elimination it seems, they love to misrepresent arguments too, lolololol
>>533927071Blueoids are the quintessential example of what happens to a culture when you allow virtue-less abstract moralism to take hold as the dominant zeitgeist. These people are held to zero meaningful standards. They don’t have to make pragmatic or tough decisions because no one in real life relies on them in any meaningful way. Their entire existence is in the abstract because they’re bunkered by decadence and luxury handed down by people who did shit like having 10 kids knowing 5 would die in the winters. Our ancestors were brutal pragmatists who would have overwhelmingly chose red, and these insufferable blue faggots are only alive and breathing because of their calculated logic, survival instincts, and willingness to make tough choices for the greater good.
>>533926979When you pick blue you're causing other people to feel stressed for no reason other than you want to pat yourself on the back even though you did nothing that was commendable.The first person in line has no reason to push blue and because that's true, no one after does either. The first person to press it anywhere in the chain is creating a problem for everyone that comes after. A problem that didn't exist before they decided to press it.This is why stupidity is one of the greatest forms of evil
>>533926953>Uhm i don’t complain that you think anyone jumps off a cliff. I complain about parasites in the colony.The only way to identify the parasites is to vote red and see who lied about voting blue. Those are the parasites. What you call parasite is actually not getting fooled by the parasite
>>533927161The issue is it’s not my moral duty to risk my life to save blue retards. You made that decision to put yourself in danger, if we really want to socialize responsibility then I should get the chance to vote on you not being a retard and killing yourself, but you made that choice anyway
>>533927071>remind me again what has to be done for Jesus to save you?Dying for others? As in what pushing blue potentially does to you?
>>533926779You're treating the scenario as if it's a guarantee that most people will pick red. You absolutely refuse to consider the genuine possibility of blue actually winning in an irl version of this scenario and stubbornly hold on to your own assertion that you're right. In your mind red already won because it was simple and logical and seemingly obvious for your own personal survival. You value your own personal survival highly and can only relate to those that feel the same so the blue option HAS to be the retard option for you.How would a nigger feel if you accidentally stepped on his toe this afternoon?
>>533921964Why the fuck would anyone pick blue if they can just pick red not die? There is no downside to picking red. You are willingly putting yourself in danger by picking blue and expecting other people to do the same for your sake. Honestlyypu convinced me that bluefags deserve nothing less
>>533927368Everyone goes to heaven unconditionally? You do have to act a certain way or believe certain things? Wow, that's news to me!
>>533927381>How would a nigger feel if you accidentally stepped on his toe this afternoon?But I didn't step on his toe this afternoon?
>>533927364It’s a good point. They want the autonomy to choose blue but want to universalize the consequences of it. I’m onboard with blue style collectivism if I’m the emperor and everyone has to do exactly what I say all the time, since I know what’s best for society. But if you want individual rights then that’s fine too but don’t socialize your faggoted choices when they fuck up.
>>533927211Red pushers are the cult of Saturn, and the black cube of death.
please someone bake a "blue read general", this is the only entertaining thread on /pol/ rn>in this general we explore the unfathomable depths of the zoon politikon's soul and solve all humanity's political problems. [explain problem]I can't create threads
>>533926988I do understand, I think it's not enough to convince me to pick red.
>>533927526>I do understand, I think it's not enough to convince me to pick red.But if anyone picks red, they live. It's pointless to pick blue.
The simple way to verify that blue voters would actually switch in real life, is that in real life they already don't take much smaller risks way more often. You're risk averse to putting a couple hundred in the stock market & are all of a sudden going to put your life on the line?
I'm still pressing blue. A world of only miggers is not a world I care to live in
>>533927351>I am not a parasite because i voted for the parasites.Good god you’re dumb.
>>533927588I don't think anyone should arbitrarily die because they didn't pick red themselves and believed others would pick blue, so I'll pick blue for the kind people that also think about others however few they may be. Dying in the scenario where only 20% or less pick blue doesn't sound bad.
>>533927161retard doesnt refute a single point and admits pressing blue is illogical and based on emotion. somehow this is a win in the bluefags mind
>>533927933>>533927933>>533927933
A teacher in a classroom hands out a test. There is only one question.Choose option A to receive a 100% score. Choose option B to receive a 0% score. However, if 51% of students choose option B, everyone gets a 100% score.Which do you choose?A)B)
>>533927847>I don't think anyone should arbitrarily die because they didn't pick red themselves and believed others would pick blueThey shouldn’t die, but they will and it’s not arbitrary, it’s entirely based on rules. shoulds aren’t important here, because there shouldn’t be a mass murder button game to begin with. But in this hypothetical there is and everyone in this hypothetical has to reckon with the rules of the game
>>533927791I'm dumb because you can't read?
>>533927381no im not. i know a bunch of retards will press blue. i am not obligated to put myself in danger for the suicidal and the retarded. if they didnt want to die, they should have pressed the rational 'dont die' button. i will not press the 'maybe die" button just because a bunch of other retards decided they wanted to. it is low t group consensus behavior that drives bluefags to suicide
>>533927989Your mom will press the blue button. Your argument is invalid.
>>533927847>I don't think anyone should arbitrarily die because they didn't pick red themselvesBut if everyone picks red, everyone lives, there's no point in picking blue. For me, picking blue is an act of suicide.
>>533927652Indeed, anyone with a brain know the futur of mankind is very dark, but no one is willing to risk their life to change that fate. And yet they are all pretending they would be willing to put their life at risk to save braindead people who can't use basic logic. They would all press the red button if they were trully at risk of dying by press blue.
>>533928100I'm sorry if your mom is an idiot
>>533927903>illogical and based on emotionBoth choices can be logical and based on emotion.You’re emotional because you fear death. But it can be logical to value collective survival over selfishness.The difference is in your vales. Personal survival among with other selfish people or possible survival in a world with enough altruistic people.
>>533928100memeflag faggot back to spam this in every thread. i have asked my mom this question and she immediately said red and said youd have to be retarded to pres blue lol
