Some people view Christianity as a political or social tool, or even in a self-help sense to improve your status. These are materialist (or maybe more intuitively, physicalist) mindsets that lose the fullness of context, and are really ahistorical as far as how humans have experienced spirituality.We don't go to church to "learn about the bible" as if it's just a moral code. We go to the Orthodox Church to mysteriously join the heavenly worship of the angels, as they sing "Holy Holy Holy, Lord of Sabaoth, Heaven and earth are filled with Thy Glory" we join and sing with them, earth raises to heaven in the liturgy, and then we physically unite with God as we receive His Body and Blood into ourselves by eating Holy Communion, literally the actual flesh and blood of the Lifegiver, receiving the Source of Life into us, which is the medicine of immortality.This is not possible in any building or place. Where two or three are gathered Christ is with us, just as Christ is everywhere all at once because He along with the entire Holy Trinity is omnipresent and unlimited. But God is in some places more than others, and in different ways. The Church is holy ground, an outpost of heaven on earth, reclaimed from the kingdom of Satan, in Christ's ongoing conquest for the redemption of the world and the salvation of mankind. This is not what protestants think when they walk in to their sunday service.
>>533918863How do we know then, when searching philosophies and ideologies and religions, what is the truth?Spirituality and piety is one factor, but it's not the only one. History must be considered too. Just like logical consistency must be held in balance with beauty, not ignoring one for the other. Things have to make sense, it's not just all about the "vibe" to the detriment of human rationality. Yet God is wonderful and glorious, and the prime example of the archetypal Artist and Poet, just as He is THE Physician, THE Teacher, THE King, THE Priest, THE Father, THE Human Being, etc and so forth. Protestantism in general is so cold, and dry, and lifeless, in all aspects of beauty. These are just some of the factors we naturally consider when discerning the essence of "truth" in an idea. When looking at all these factors in concert, no other religion or philosophy or ideology or explanation for the universe even comes close to Orthodox Christianity.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJu8iYA4vds
>>533918863True, and god bless, Orthodox Brother. Our Church is the one. The whole world will know.
>>533918863Ideology does not exis5you are a faggot liar a retarded you are a satanic inbred shill
>>533918953Thisnis ai be t.jewden nigger but t drivell
>>533918863Racial fucked gay op sucks cocks and ducks dogs
>>533918863>be me>join orthodox discord server>a 666 can of monster is posted>I immediately judge the person and sin because I judged themI think I'll stay alone with the bible and Christ.
>>533919871Your first mistake is using discord.Your second mistake is continuing in your judgment and extending it to all of Orthodox Christianity based on one individual's action.
>>533919871As for "going it alone" there id much wisdom I could search for about the propensity of man to lead himself to disaster (such is the danger of this liberalism that came about from Enlightenment ideals, and is now destroying civilization) but one that came to mind is this quote:>"...For all who belong to God and Jesus Christ are with the bishop; all who repent and return to the unity of the Church will also belong to God, that they may live according to Jesus Christ. Do not be deceived, my brothers. If anyone follows a schismatic, he will not obtain the inheritance of God’s kingdom; if anyone lives by a strange teaching, he does not assent to the passion of the Lord.>Be careful, therefore, to take part only in the one Eucharist; for there is only one flesh of our Lord Jesus Christ and one cup to unite us with his blood, one altar and one bishop with the presbyters and deacons, who are his fellow servants."+St Ignatius of Antioch, taught directly by the Apostles, martyred in the Roman Colosseum circa ~107AD
and all of this exists only in your mind
>>533920289True, and I'm not judging Orthodox Christianity, anyone who follows Christ is my brother. My point was more along the lines of avoiding things that could potentially lead me to sin i.e those who seeing see not. I wanted to talk about Jesus not see demonic 666 nonsense. Don't paint me with your brush, I live in Babylon.>>533920653You are absolutely correct, however, I hath not where to lay my head, in a manner of speaking. There is nowhere for me to go, except to come out of her as much as possible, also in a manner of speaking. I have 2 catholic churches near me, and I'm sure you are aware the catholic church is extremely satanic and so I avoid it like the plague. I would like somewhere to sing hymns to Jesus but there is NOWHERE and NO-ONE to do it with. My trust is in the Lord, Jesus Christ and the Holy Ghost. If that makes me damned then I have some questions for you, and for God, and would like to be shown what to do.
>>533919871> drinks 666 monster> larp that im Nero> feeling absolutely fucking euphoric> Power of 7000 years of risen suns
>>533921287>True, and I'm not judging Orthodox Christianity, anyone who follows Christ is my brother.we all know this already, christianity is mostly black and asian.
>>533918863>We go to the Orthodox Church to mysteriously join the heavenly worship of the angels, as they sing "Holy Holy Holy, Lord of Sabaoth, Heaven and earth are filled with Thy Glory" we join and sing with them, earth raises to heaven in the liturgy, and then we physically unite with God as we receive His Body and Blood into ourselves by eating Holy Communion, literally the actual flesh and blood of the Lifegiver, receiving the Source of Life into us, which is the medicine of immortality.wtf is all this made up bullshit thats not in the bible?earth does raise to heavenwe dont physically unite with Godyou dont "eat" Godyou dont become immortalyou know who also has "mysteries"? babylon.
>>533922716*earth does not raise to heaven
>>533921424open your eyes bro, the only respite is with Christ, you already have his cross for a flag you've got a good start.>be you>in heaven>"but whats he doing here he's black !!!!">"wait a second he's asian how is he here?!?!"????
>>533918863>>533918953write it in your nigger diary>>533922766he's zog pozzed. the kikes infested sweden.
>>533921287Genuinely, where are you? There are growing numbers of canonical Orthodox parishes in the UK. Have you been to St Sophrony of Essex's monastery, for instance?
>>533920653modern day orthodoxy is so far away removed from the early church fathers that they would spin in their graves if they saw the churches of this.the eastern church was judged by God for its fornications and idolatry.
>>533922894> he's zog pozzed. the kikes infested sweden.you dont even know what youre talking about.Our only real problem is our lack of a serious army and our own FBI.(which is being improved and working upon as we speak)And Bonnier, these are simply media and press clusters that is snowballing from several different sourcesbut we all know who they are and normal people usually dont read them beisdes 60+ boomers.Wallenberg is an outdated relic who didnt maintain the culture of hyper-wealth generation
>>533921287>I would like somewhere to sing hymns to Jesus but there is NOWHERE and NO-ONE to do it with.then do it alone. God the Fathers sees what you do in secret.Matthew 66 But when you pray, go into your room and shut the door and pray to your Father who is in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you.
>>533922766>the only respite is with Christyou have no argument, you talk in kosher talkingpoints with no real intellectual value.
>>533921287>>533922995I realize my picrel might be confusing. His monastery is not St Elizabeth Convent (that's in Minsk)I'm talking about the Monastery of St John the Baptist, near Chelmsford.Google Maps:https://www.google.com/maps/place/Monastery+of+Saint+John+the+Baptist/@51.8391777,0.8063146,10.67z/data=!4m6!3m5!1s0x47d91d90cb598277:0xf7cbc0a353c64ae7!8m2!3d51.7957216!4d0.782389!16s%2Fm%2F02vy56d?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI2MDQyMi4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D
>>533922716>wtf is all this made up bullshit thats not in the bible?The Holy Gospel according to St John Chapter 6.Then Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, Moses did not give you the bread from heaven, but My Father gives you the true bread from heaven. 33 For the bread of God is He who comes down from heaven and gives life to the world.”34 Then they said to Him, “Lord, give us this bread always.”35 And Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst. 36 But I said to you that you have seen Me and yet do not believe. 37 All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will [f]by no means cast out. 38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. 39 This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day. 40 And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”41 The Jews then [g]complained about Him, because He said, “I am the bread which came down from heaven.” 42 And they said, “Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How is it then that He says, ‘I have come down from heaven’?”(1/2)
>>533922716>>533923488(2/2)43 Jesus therefore answered and said to them, [h]“Do not murmur among yourselves. 44 No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day. 45 It is written in the prophets, ‘And they shall all be taught by God.’ Therefore everyone who [i]has heard and learned from the Father comes to Me. 46 Not that anyone has seen the Father, except He who is from God; He has seen the Father. 47 Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes [j]in Me has everlasting life. 48 I am the bread of life. 49 Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and are dead. 50 This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that one may eat of it and not die. 51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever; and the bread that I shall give is My flesh, which I shall give for the life of the world.”52 The Jews therefore quarreled among themselves, saying, “How can this Man give us His flesh to eat?”53 Then Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in you. 54 Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. 55 For My flesh is [k]food indeed, and My blood is [l]drink indeed. 56 He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood abides in Me, and I in him. 57 As the living Father sent Me, and I live because of the Father, so he who feeds on Me will live because of Me. 58 This is the bread which came down from heaven—not as your fathers ate the manna, and are dead. He who eats this bread will live forever.”
>>533921287Christianity and solitude were always intended to go hand in hand. There's no possibility of you being damned for withdrawing from the world, provided that you continue to purify yourself in your stillness. Check out Saint Isaac the Syrian's ascetical homilies, if you aren't already familiar with them.
>>533922716>>533923488>>533923541(3/2, bonus, very important though because the disciples ran away, meaning they took it literally, and Jesus didn't stop them saying "no bro you misinterpreted, I was being metaphorical" instead Jesus let them leave)Many Disciples Turn Away60 Therefore many of His disciples, when they heard this, said, “This is a [m]hard saying; who can understand it?”61 When Jesus knew in Himself that His disciples [n]complained about this, He said to them, “Does this [o]offend you? 62 What then if you should see the Son of Man ascend where He was before? 63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life. 64 But there are some of you who do not believe.” For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were who did not believe, and who would betray Him. 65 And He said, “Therefore I have said to you that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted to him by My Father.”66 From that time many of His disciples went [p]back and walked with Him no more. 67 Then Jesus said to the twelve, “Do you also want to go away?”68 But Simon Peter answered Him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life. 69 Also we have come to believe and know that You are the [q]Christ, the Son of the living God.”
>>533922995North of England. I don't own a car, I don't use a mobile phone, I rarely go outside, I am a hermit. It's all too satanic and far from Christ for me. For some reason I see and I hear, and so decided to hermitmaxxing.The closest Orthodox church to me is 18 miles away. However, I am planning on going on a pilgrimage to Mull Monastery next month as I'm close to death and the satanists won't let me leave the country or make online purchases. I wanted to go to where Christ was crucified but am unable to by means far out of my control, so settled on Mull Monastery instead. I wanted to actually join a monastery and live entirely removed from the world but it's an impossibility out of my control. If you have found otherwise I would very much like to know. For now, my lot is here, in the heart of babylon.
>>533923541why do you stop at verse 58? Jesus keeps teaching until verse 71.also you got filtered hard by John 6>Jesus feeds the 5000>next day>people come to Jesus again to be fed>they even ask for the manna from heaven>Jesus knows they only want to have their bellies filled>Jesus tells them he is the bread from heaven>Jesus tells them they have to eat his flesh and drink his blood>people get appalled since it is forbidden to drink blood>the people fuck off>only the 12 remain>Jesus tells them that the Words he speaks and the Spirit gives life and that the flesh can do nothing>people 2000 years later larp by "transforming" bread and wine into flesh and blood and then consume iteven pagans would be taken aback if they saw the satanic blood rituals of today.
>>533923651>63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life.se, there you have it. the eucharist does nothing and certainly does not become literal flesh and blood.or are you so deluded to lie to yourself that it isnt bread and wine that you just tasted?
>>533923677Like I said there's a lot in England already. You should make a pilgrimage to St John the Baptist instead, we know an actual canonized Saint came from there, and they are likely closer to you. Mull Monastery is way out there.You can also get in contact with that nearest Orthodox parish to your home. They might have someone that lives near you and is willing to give you a ride, carpool, etc. I drive 15 miles to Church, it's pretty normal in the West.Another thing I'd like to tell you, just from what you've written and your style of writing, is that you seem to be a little paranoid. It is absolutely true what you say about the world especially in our time being a globohomo satanic dark place. But we live without fear, and if you are close to Christ, you should not manifest this paranoia. Orthodox Christians are normal people with families and kids, we have joyful lives, despite being completely aware of the insanity around us. I hope you find peace. I'd like to pray for you if you give me some identifier, could even be a nickname or initials. God will know who I'm praying to. I just don't want to write "that UK anon from 4chan" in my prayer book.
>>533923861>>533924060What about all the verses preceding that one? I think any the argument that used any part of John 6 against sacraments is self-defeating and would quickly fall flat. The whole chapter is about the Eucharist, in very explicit and rather unambiguous terms! Christ is explaining how the Old Testament prefigured Himself - manna is a spiritual bread from heaven that nurtured and saved God's chosen people when they were starving and lost in the wilderness; now, Christ offers His own body as the spiritual food and drink for His people who are sojourning in the wilderness. The manna was "spiritual food," even in the wording of this passage - does this mean that it was only metaphorical? Or did God not provide real, fleshly food that physically nurtured His people?Verse 55, in the King James: "For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed."Sacraments are participation in God's energies through Christ. They are a transfiguration of physical matter (flesh) into their proper spiritual state.And perhaps, though I am here stepping outside what I know to be confirmed Orthodox exegesis, you could even offer an alternative interpretation of that verse. Jesus has just been talking about death and eternal life - verse 58 "This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever."So he is saying that you will live forever. But obviously, the Apostles all died fleshly deaths. So couldn't verse 63 - "It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life" - be a clarification of his previous statement? Namely, that though the flesh profiteth nothing by this spiritual food, He is not talking about the flesh never dying, but instead it is the spirit that quickeneth (is given life) by virtue of this spiritual food.
>>533924473>The whole chapter is about the Eucharistno, the entire chapter is about people following Jesus to have their material desires fulfilled when Jesus wants to give them spiritual food.its the same today, people being religious and praying to God to have fulfilling lives in this world when Paul speaks about if we have Jesus Christ only in this life we are the most to be pitied.John 6 is not about establishing a ritual where you literally consume human flesh and blood.>Sacraments are participation in God's energies through Christ.no, the Holy Spirit is the one that gives life, its not something you can do or partake in, its Gods sovereign decision to give you life.>They are a transfiguration of physical matter (flesh) into their proper spiritual state.then be honest here, does the eucharist taste like blood and flesh? yes or no.>but instead it is the spirit that quickeneth (is given life) by virtue of this spiritual food.its the Word that nourishes you and brings faith. it was always about hearing the Word of God, not partaking in blood rituals. this is what church attendance is about, being partakers of the spoken Word.
>>533924473>>533924911I want to add that you may partake in the breaking of bread in communion, but dont make it into some magical rituals where you allegedly turn bread into flesh and wine into blood, thats just hocus pocus and not what actually happens.
>>533924112Thank you I appreciate it, I will make that my 2nd pilgrimage if the Father lets me live long enough. I have a friend from Germany who is also Christian and he recommended pilgrimage to Mull Monastery; I don't want to let him down, he's a very dear friend to me, and we discussed it at length and began making arrangements already. I have a heart infection and am literally dying (not for sympathy, just the truth), on top of the whole, you know, poisoning of everything and all that.God will know who you pray for, don't worry about the world, God bless you, and don't worry about me, Jesus has me now hahaha. There are lots of us scattered about, I would rather you pray for them, pray for Lee especially he is dying of cancer, he's a good man and trusts the Lord, and pray for the people who haven't found Christ yet, and pray that their eyes are opened. I shall hope to see you, and them.
>>533924911>>533925077That's just, like, your opinion, man. And not at all what Christians have believed for the first 1500 years before protestantism appeared and threw the baby out with the bath water. Sola Scriptura is the core of your issue. Otherwise everything in the faith is just whatever you make it out to be, whatever you take from it, whatever you personally agree with, whether or not any of your opinion is reflected in reality.
>>533925357>Otherwise everything in the faith is just whatever you make it out to beno, the bible is very strict and clear about how we live out our faith.>whatever you personally agree withno, I cant just pick and chose what I learn from the bible. most of it goes against myself, I am the one that has to yield.>That's just, like, your opinion, man.then I will just let this bible quote speaks to you.Revelation 317 For you say, “I am rich, I have prospered, and I need nothing,” not realizing that you are wretched, pitiable, poor, blind, and naked. 18 I counsel you to buy from me gold refined by fire, so that you may be rich, and white garments so that you may clothe yourself and the shame of your nakedness may not be seen, and salve to anoint your eyes, so that you may see.
>>533925124You're going with your friend then? Very nice. I am sure your time will be transformative. Please do consider a second trip to the south. And don't give up, even if a diagnosis is terminal, you never know what God has in store for you. It is not God's will for us to die, but instead to do what we can here, both for the sake of others and for our own spiritual development. We are all here for a reason, not simply to await the end.
>>533925559>no, the bible is very strict and clear about how we live out our faith.My point is that your interpretation could take a given "strict and clear" reading one of a thousand ways. It's why there are 40,000+ protestant denominations, and millions of people who say they are Christians but don't even go to a church for as much as they follow their own idea of who Christ is.Sola Scripture remains the primary problem with your structure of faith.
>>533925357also please just answer this question.do you literally taste blood and flesh when consuming the eucharist?
>>533925835>interpretation could take a given "strict and clear" reading one of a thousand waysno, we are to be sober with the teaching of the bible, not superstitious.>Sola Scripture remains the primary problem with your structure of faith.and you think church fathers who you dont even know could be false teachers are your prime source instead of the perfect Word of God?
>>533925835>It's why there are 40,000+ protestant denominations, and millions of people who say they are Christians but don't even go to a churchyoure just another denomination too.and most churches and teachings are already infiltrated by anti christ. we even go there? you will just leaven your bread.
>>533925862Not personally, though some monks and Saints in the past who have needed correction have had the unfortunate gravity of their mistake revealed to them. Why is that a qualifier for you? Is it impossible for God?
>>533925835Isn't Sola Scripture the thing that you're arguing for, by interpreting the passage literally rather than spiritually?The other anon's message is that we only bring ourselves closer to God by our conduct, insofar as it imitates Christ, and never by mere ritual. Which is absolutely in line with everything that the Bible teaches. It always places the spirit before the letter. Believing that we can put ourselves in God's good graces through ritual is a pharisaical belief, one that Christ explicitly and repeatedly condemned at every possible opportunity.
>>533925945The mind of the Church across the centuries is unified about this particular issue. You keep appealing to your own subjective interpretation instead of anything concrete.
>>533926048no, this simply means the "bread becomes literal flesh and wine becomes literal blood" is not real.and if its not real you can just drop the entire act. its a pointless activity, and at worst a terrible offence against the perfect work on the cross of Jesus Christ.
>>533926034>youre just another denomination too.Objectively not. There is a certain time and place and under certain circumstances in history that particular denominations either began or departed from the Orthodox Church. The Orthodox Church has always existed from the beginning. The claims of authenticity of the myriad protestant denominations are nowhere equal to ours. We are not the same.
>>533926167the church was infiltrated by false teachers and pagan cults in the time of Paul. what makes you think the churches havent strayed from the very beginning? the bible teaches about the great apostasy. not the little apostasy. this means the greater part of the churches stray from the teachings of Christ.
>>533925591>You're going with your friend then? Very nice.In spirit yes, I'm afraid he has his own cross to bear. I am going alone, well, we're never truly alone: with Jesus.I will be going south if there's enough time for me, and I won't give up, there's much good needs doing, and many more people to wake up, and still a vice that needs to be gone, but pilgrimage will put an end to that I have no doubt.>We are all here for a reason, not simply to await the end.Exactly, if you just wait then waiting becomes a hell of your own making. You would be shocked at how uncaring people are here for others, and even animals. Perhaps they need our prayers. God bless you. Don't give up on them, even if they hate you.
>>533926276>We are not the same.thank God.
>>533926136>Isn't Sola Scripture the thing that you're arguing for, by interpreting the passage literally rather than spiritually?No, look up the definition of Sola Scriptura. It has nothing to do with literal or figurative exegesis. It is instead about authority, and humility, of interpretation. Sola Scriptura essentially liberalizes and subjectivizes the truth contained in the Holy Scriptures.
>>533926198It is real though. God is beyond your human logic.
>>533926376>essentially liberalizes and subjectivizes the truth contained in the Holy Scriptures.you cant liberalize and subjectivity the clear Word of God.and in this time and age we can verify everything with the information we are given. being lazy isnt an excuse anymore. you dont have that advantage over a medieval peasant who is only spoken to in latin.
>>533926167>mind of the Church across the centuries is unified about this particular issuesame argument papists have for picrel
>>533926483then you make God a liar if you never tasted literal blood and flesh in the eucharist?either your take on John 6 is correct or Jesus lied. which one is it?
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>>533926546>and in this time and age we can verify everything with the information we are givenYou assume that your own verification is infallible. That's the whole thing about Sola Scriptura. You are your own highest authority for what you believe, in your paradigm.
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>>533926546Mt 13 is about medieval peasantsAnd the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables? 11He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given. 12For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath. 13Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.14And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:15For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.16But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear. 17For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them.
>>533926376I understand that much, but what I was getting at is that since the truth contained in scripture is always spiritual and always for the sake of bringing your conduct in line with Christ's conduct, then my point is that any purely literal interpretation is by necessity a liberal and subjective interpretation, since it would then be replacing the intended spiritual meaning with a non-spiritual one. Christ always abhorred ritual and encouraged self-deification through sinless conduct, so anything that moves in the opposite direction would seem to me to be a misinterpretation. I have the same trouble with understanding why some desert fathers insisted that baptism was necessary to enter the Kingdom of Heaven, unless by baptism they truly meant self-purification and not the mere ritual involving water.
>>533926656there is one mediator between God and man, the man Christ Jesus
>>533926616You are making a false equivalence. I asked you earlier in this post:>>533926048>Why is that a qualifier for you? Is it impossible for God?Which you ignored.It is entirely possible for God to transform Holy Communion into His real Body and Blood, and yet also for it to appear to us as bread and wine. God is omnipotent, He can do anything. I also told you, in that same post, that we have many instances where the reality is in fact made manifest to people who needed to the have the point made to them. So please don't act like I said it never happens, either.
>>533918863what is a christ?https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MPHyR92MQic
>>533926656always the same jewish pilpul of you becoming your own pope.why do so many religious people dont get the concept that God is sovereign over his truth and you are to humble yourself and yield to it?what do you want to answer in judgement when Jesus Christ asks you why you didnt submit to his Word and followed your own false church teachings?
Christ is risen!
>>533926584Well, Roman Catholics can make that claim to support any one of those points in that diagram, but whether or not the claim is actually true requires validating.In the case we were discussing and which you entered into the discussion about, Orthodoxy has never been confused that Holy Communion is the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ.
>>533926656>>533926616You could both be in Heaven together, dont forget that. The power of God is infinite. If a blind & deaf man who cannot hear the word of God but can feel him in spirit is in heaven; if I, a sinner, can find Christ then his power is truly infinite. It's easy to pharisee but the hardest part is forgiveness and love. It would be better for you to be friends, regardless of your differences, and be joined in your love of Christ. Protestant loves Christ? My brother. Orthodox loves Christ? My brother. Catholic who loves Christ? My brother. We are not better than Jesus, and we can't speak on behalf of God, and we most of all can't judge.
>>533926799>I have the same trouble with understanding why some desert fathers insisted that baptism was necessary to enter the Kingdom of Heaveneven pastor anderson ended up preaching that paul got saved when the scales fell from his eyes after he went to church after he got saved on the road to damascus when he asked who are You, Lord? and the Lord told him what to do and he did it. anderson ended up preaching that because he wanted people to not only tell him yes im saved but also he wanted them to go to church because he correctly determined that if they dont go to church he isnt at all sure if they really got saved or were just going through the motions in a post ironic world
>>533926732>Mt 13 is about medieval peasantsno, its talking about the religious elite that just accused him being an agent of beelzebul. they rejected their Messiah, called him an agent of satan and that is why Jesus starts teaching in parables.he rebukes their religiosity and denies them his teachings.
>>533926624This meme (aside from the asburdity of the baptist inclusion) assumes that the Roman Catholic and Orthodox claims are equal, and are portrayed as equally inept. This is just misrepresentation.
>>533926861>why do so many religious people dont get the concept that God is sovereign over his truth and you are to humble yourself and yield to it?This is why we yield to the Church, which is the Body of Christ, the pillar and foundation of truth, in which Christ is the Head.
>>533926933>Orthodoxy has never been confused that Holy Communion is the Body and Blood of Jesus Christit is spiritually. its insane how much argument this causes about what that means. papists wonder what they can do with left over wafers. lutherans follow luthers refusal to comment with a halfway position
>>533926828>It is entirely possible for God to transform Holy Communion into His real Body and Bloodwhy would God encourage pagan practices that go against his own law? God does not break his own law.Leviticus 1710 “If any one of the house of Israel or of the strangers who sojourn among them eats any blood, I will set my face against that person who eats blood and will cut him off from among his people. 11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it for you on the altar to make atonement for your souls, for it is the blood that makes atonement by the life. 12 Therefore I have said to the people of Israel, No person among you shall eat blood, neither shall any stranger who sojourns among you eat blood.
>>533927022right. and also about medieval peasants who didnt know what was happening in the religious institutions and just heard the parables and got saved
>>533926951I am not speaking against this potential brother, it is out of love for his soul that I want him to come out from false teachings.
>>533927111Israel went astray and was judged by God, what makes you think the Churches are different?why do you think God opened up his Word in the reformation to all men? to cling to old and false teachings or that we can call out the errors practiced in the churches?or do you think this wasnt an act of God?
>>533927207Jesus was always at odds with the religious elites of his day, this hasnt changed to this day.the church leaders have always twisted the word for their own gain, catholic, orthodox and protestant alike.
>>533926799>my point is that any purely literal interpretation is by necessity a liberal and subjective interpretation, since it would then be replacing the intended spiritual meaning with a non-spiritual oneI kind of get what you're trying to say. Though some of Scripture does perform a fairly functional role, such as history. I don't think there's that much "bringing your conduct in line with Christ's conduct" in the huge lists of names in the genealogies. Those are fairly straightforward in the function they are supposed to serve in the text.As for Baptism, you have to understand that the "ritual" part, the actual words and actions performed, is inseparable from the spiritual reality of what is going on. In Orthodox understanding, Baptism unites us to Christ organically. It also forgives sins. It is also a huge source of the Grace of God poured out upon us. It's many more things too, which are enumerated by the prayers we say during the service. But the main point here is that Orthodoxy is an "incarnational" faith, that is, God makes things very real to us in a physical sense, because we are physical beings with bodies, and Christ became incarnate in the world physically. It's not purely spiritual, stuff in your head, kind of deal. It's a mix. Hope those helped.
>>533926923TRULY HE IS RISEN!
>>533918863>>533918953You are theologically well read. Constantly attacking Protestants is getting tiresome though. We know they are misguided heretics.
>>533927215And he feels exactly the same way, both of you are faithful, both love Christ. Who is right? Who is wrong? I for sure don't know. "Trust no man". It's a time of great deception. God knows, so leave it to God, and love each-other, and be joined by your love of Christ and each-other. In the Book of Revelation there are 7 churches, each with their own specific address."It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man."
>>533926951This is true, and God is the judge of our hearts. But for us on earth in the here and now, the truth is very important, and determines our outcomes. The outcomes of Protestantism are generally scary, and certainly less than the ultimate transfiguration of the heart and the defeat of the passions. There is no equivalent of Saint Paisios the Athonite anywhere in the many forms of protestantism.
>>533927119Orthodox just use a loaf of bread and one chalice of wine. We all commune from the same chalice, small portions of each on the same spoon. Then whatever is left over is consumed by the clergy at the end of the Liturgy. We don't have problems lol
>>533927730>There is no equivalent of Saint Paisios the Athoniteoh this is just so laughable and utterly prideful.the protestant Saint Paisios is a gas station clerk that doesnt dress in stupid robes and and makes himself special.
>>533927143This is an extreme pivot and you didn't address anything I said
>>533927730>Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.trust him bros I beg of you
>>533927374The Church IS Jesus Christ. The gates of hell shall not prevail against it. That's a quote.
>>533927896Gods own spoken law is an extreme pivot?do not consume blood, period!>you didn't address anything I saidyes, I answered the question if God could turn it into flesh and blood and I said no he would not because it violates his OWN LAW.
>>533927562I am living in America, so I have this need to expose people to Orthodoxy, because most have literally never interacted with it or heard anything about it before. Most people think it's just eastern papism. There is such a blooming in the Church over here, and it's because people are finally being exposed to and investigating the original Church. The internet is also awesome in this way (for all its faults) because Orthodox are more connected than ever to Saints in all parts of the world.
>>533927964gates are a defensive tool.Jesus said that many wolves in sheep clothing would come to devour the flock.you have zero base knowledge of scripture because you only follow traditions of men.buy salve for your eyes from Jesus Christ.
>>533927878The gas station clerk would be more famous than Tom Cruise then. Not of his own desire, but by sheer holiness and amount of love garnered by everyone he has helped. I have never heard of such a person. You are writing fiction. You should learn about St Paisios before writing such things.
>>533928238>The gas station clerk would be more famous than Tom Cruise then.when did Jesus ever say we have our reward in this world?>According to orthodox tradition, the Theotokos, accompanied by the Evangelist John and headed towards Corfu with the purpose of visiting Lazarus, found herself near the peninsula of Athos.>Due to a great sea storm, they were forced to disembark at the place where the Holy Monastery of Iviron stands today. It is said that the Virgin Mary admired this place so much that she asked her Son, our Lord Jesus Christ, to grant it to her as a gift.>For this reason, Mount Athos is also known as the 'Garden of the Virgin Mary,' and the Theotokos is regarded as the Lady of the Holy Mountain.no thanks, I dont partake in "queen of heaven" heresies.
>>533928149Psalm 24 (23 according to the Septuagint)7 Lift up your gates, O ye princes; and be ye lifted up, ye everlasting gates, and the King of Glory shall enter in.8 Who is this King of Glory? The Lord strong and mighty, the Lord, mighty in war.9 Lift up your gates, O ye princes; and be ye lifted up, ye everlasting gates, and the King of Glory shall enter in.10 Who is this King of Glory? The Lord of hosts, He is the King of Glory.
>>533918863Orthobros prove the fruit of "orthodox" is rotten.
>>533928238>>533928374also this btw>5 “And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full.
>>533928374God is wondrous in His Saints. He gives us beacons to learn from and experience His wonders
>>533927466That does help, thanks for the thoughtful reply. Although I suppose for me that raises further questions. It makes perfect sense to me that God would manifest the spiritual for us as the physical, because the spiritual precedes and informs the physical. Where I have my doubts, is the idea that the physical has the ability to elevate and inform us spiritually. I don't see sound theology behind the idea that a man with avarice and hatred in his heart can bring himself any closer to God through Baptism or any other ritual, nor the idea that a man with perfect love, compassion and selflessness in his heart is any farther from God for not having undergone such rituals.Generally speaking, the desert fathers agree with me on those points and state them repeatedly throughout their writings. But every now and then I still see them saying things such as Baptism being absolutely necessary for salvation, and it leaves me wondering if they've contradicted themselves or if Baptism refers to the entire process of becoming a man of God. If Baptism were always voluntary then I think there wouldn't need to be a contradiction, because the willingness to be Baptized would by synonymous with the decision to become a better person. But for those of us who were Baptized as infants and have no memory of it, I can't see how it could have brought us any closer to God when closeness to God is determined by the extent to which we love.
>>533928588stop following "saints" and start following Christ.
>>533928463Every group has less than ideal members. We are humans. The Church is filled with imperfect people, because it is a hospital. This does not discount the holiness of the rest of the body.
>>533918863How do you reconcile consuming something physical as not being materialistic? How can salvation come from the stomach? I pray to God and seek to amend my life to His will, but I do not participate in any church or gatherings or rituals.
>>533928673The Saints point us to Christ.Literally 99% of Iconographic depictions of the Theotokos have her pointing to Christ, as if to say "it's all about Him, not me"
>>533928673Stop following jews
>>533928598water baptism is biblical, but it is a symbol for the baptism in the Holy Spirit.I was baptized in water on my own decision but remained a sinner nevertheless. it was over a decade later that I was baptized in the Holy Spirit and I never felt like getting water baptized again.but if you are not water baptized and then receive the Holy Spirit I would still encourage water baptism since its biblical.
>>533928789You might find this post helpful, it touches on this point of "incarnational theology">>533927466Also, you should check out your nearest Orthodox Church in person.
>>533928838>The Saints point us to Christ.no, the Holy Spirit does.your entire concept of the faith is wrong.
>>533928912Sorry but I do not trust men, even saints. I trust only the KJV and God's word, not even the original Hebrew or Greek. I will walk with God in solitude as Adam or Enoch.
>>533928897>but if you are not water baptized and then receive the Holy Spirit I would still encourage water baptism since its biblical.Even a rainy day will do
>>533927119> Orthodoxy has never been confused that Holy Communion is the Body and Blood of Jesus Christnobody is confused about itit is the oldest form of sacrifice and medium that connects with gods.christians simply bastardized ritual, made it more meaningless, made it cheampier and easier to perform.larger mass of sheep, less resource and time spent connecting with the gods.even multiple gods takes time to be a mediator for, so Rome forced their 1 god system to be the only religion.legally, it was forcedby literature, it was forced.by conseus and thought, it was forced.by sagas and history, it was forced.by forged letters and politics, it was forced.by death, torture, humilaition, corcening and bribes, it was forced.the reason is simply that nobody really believes in christianity,and peopel simply go there to replace their reactionary lives with a performative one.but thats it, its performative without lived consequence and they soon give it up anyway.because it holds no meaning and promise nothing to us.Germanic Sumbel/Symbel or The greek Ambrosia, its the same shit.Christians merely bastardized it to regain a flame of magic in their lives.same reasons christians once mocked our goths with the Gothic architecture.Didnt take too long before they overromanticized it!When something doesnt work, 180! gay marriage? lgbtq? just fucking steamroll logic.
>>533928598Remember that everything is a result of the Grace of God. That is, Grace is His "energy" so to speak, the presence of Him that actually purifies us and heals our fallen nature, gives us the ability to overcome the sinful passions.It's just that God decides to give us this Grace often through physical means. Why He does this is a deeper question worth pondering, but it is a fact that He does. Some of it is practical too. A short example is fasting; it's really difficult to be angry at someone if you are exhausted. It also makes you more humble when you are in a physically weaker state. So there is even some intuitive physical wisdom we can see in it.There is also the thing about the definition of salvation. Western Christians mostly protestants view salvation as crossing the finish line, a key to heaven type deal. Orthodox use the word salvation as the process of becoming Christlike. That includes entry into the kingdom of heaven, but it's not the be all and end all of what we mean by salvation.So if it is necessary to unite to Christ to become fully transfigured and achieve Theosis, and the only way to do this is to unite to Him in the Church, of which a big part is receiving the Sacraments, then it is necessary to be Baptized because Baptism is how you enter the Church. Thus, Baptism is necessary for salvation (in the transformative sense, not just the key to heaven sense).I'm also just some dude so if you want better answers please talk to an Orthodox priest.
>>533929338>overcome the sinful passions.your main problem is just your devoid of sinful passion.the devoid of pride in your hearts, it keeps you stagnant and docile slaves.Youre bound by inaction in your pitiful meekness.
>>533929015KJV onlyists are crazy. What about all those people in the entire world who don't speak English? What about the original Christians who used the Greek translations of Scripture? Come on brother.
>>533929501I'm sure they are troonNow go call the Italian troon who thinks Jews are white to come
>>533929338>It's just that God decides to give us this Grace often through physical means.thats not the gospel.faith by grace so noone can boast with works.performative christianity gains you nothing.
>>533918863It's true. God made us to be in communion with him. During Holy Week I was blessed enough to hear a small bit of the angelic choir. Angels fill the nave during services. Left me shook for a couple days because I am not worthy.If you question or wonder go to an Orthodox Liturgy. Come and see. Even when there are not many parishioners the place is packed. Glory to God.
>>533929338>mostly protestants view salvation as crossing the finish linewhat an absolute bullshit lie.
>>533929562>Now go call the Italian troonwhat does this even mean?
>>533929501'Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth" says Christ the Omnipotent Sovereign.
It is nice to see American orthodox becoming more educated. I'm very happy to see that I'm not the only one arguing for Orthodoxy on /pol/ these years.
>>533929697exactly.
>>533929742isnt orthodoxy the more clean christianity because they were the least bothered by politics and didnt feel coaxed into changing things?still a fucking religion of passivity though but at least it should serve as an anchor to something less fake.i often wondered why putin cared about it
>>533928028>if God could turn it into flesh and bloodYES"53 Then Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in you. 54 Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. 55 For My flesh is [a]food indeed, and My blood is [b]drink indeed. 56 He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood abides in Me, and I in him. 57 As the living Father sent Me, and I live because of the Father, so he who feeds on Me will live because of Me. 58 This is the bread which came down from heaven—not as your fathers ate the manna, and are dead. He who eats this bread will live forever.”
>>533918863>and then we physically unite with God as we receive His Body and Blood into ourselves by eating Holy Communion, literally the actual flesh and blood of the Lifegiver, receiving the Source of Life into us, which is the medicine of immortality.yes, your rituals revolve around this human sacrifice and cannibalistic blood magic, and then you lecture us about things like how not racemixing with niggers is bad. you're a freakish joke
>>533929655The Italian troon that calls christians apesYou two faggots go together everywhere here
I was confused about this line in the bible in Revelation 2:5>Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.>the first worksis the part in question. I didn't understand, but when translating King James' book "Daemonologie" I came across a phrase in Latin:>Contra Negantem Principia Non Est DisputandumRoughly translates to: >One should not argue against someone who denies principles.And then I understood it was the acceptance of demons and demonic influence, God, the spirit world etc. Christ is King. Maybe this will help someone who didn't understand it either. Ask God if you don't understand he'll show you, don't take my word for it.
>>533929873>they were the least bothered by politicswhy do you think the Jesuits got rid of the Czar?Key Aspects of the Czar's Role in the Church:Administrative Control: Peter the Great abolished the patriarchal office, placing the church under the "Most Holy Governing Synod," a council overseen by a lay Chief Procurator appointed directly by the Czar.The Church as State Department: By the late Tsarist era, the Church functioned effectively as a department of the government, providing religious sanction to the Czar's authority.Divine Right: Official doctrine held that the Czar was appointed by God, making the Church a key supporter of the autocratic state.End of the Relationship: This structure ended with the fall of Nicholas II in 1917, after which the Russian Orthodox Church restored the position of Patriarch.
So who else in the cult that believe jesus reincarnated in the 2000 and is gonna be 33 in 2033?
>>533929585You do not understand that you are trying to divorce reality from spirit, in Eden just like in Christ's transfiguration the matter was deified.End result of your theology is turning God into an impersonal hypothetical intellectual deistic conceptual creative force, this is why you are falling into atheism as nations.Rituals are important because just like Christ is the image of the father and just like humans are image of God, a church is the image of Gods eternal domain.Symbols exist eternally as Logoi in Gods divine mind, a divine liturgy is on one hand "merely" people performing a beautiful ritual but on the other hand it is truly representing Gods divine court through grace and divine energies.Your every day is filled with Gods grace, stop trying to turn faith into a hypothetical.We are predicting the faith objectively as christians did from the first century, I go to a church that is 1600 years old, I see with my own eyes what it is, you are in discontinuity.
>>533929978>The Italian troon that calls christians apeswhy an italian troon? i dont get it and i dont think jews are white to begin with, nothing about what youre saying makes any fucking sense.
>>533928939>>The Saints point us to Christ.Yes>no, the Holy Spirit does.Yes directly or through The Saints in whom He dwells.
>>533929873Depends on where, no church is unbothered by politics and there have been several attempts to take over church by empires or governments. But orthodox church is adamant about comparing its teachings with early church and because of that it Ultima revolves around continuous holy traditional.Epistemically we rely on the idea that the early church got it right because it had to have if Christ is God thus we just stay with what was once revealed.This is why ultimately the church outlasts governments here.
>>533929998The Orthodox understanding, in context, is that Christ is speaking to His churches. This particular church congregation was very zealous in the beginning for their love for Christ, like when lovers first get engaged and marry. But in the previous verse Christ tells them "you left your first love". So Christ wants them to become as zealous for Him as they were, and return Him to His proper place as highest in their lives. Christ doesn't accept second place in our hearts. If they don't, He threatens He will blow their candlestick out, in other words that church congregation will not persist.
>>533929529I speak only English, that is why I only use the KJV. Others I assume can read their own languages and can access the word from there.
>>533928939Holy spirit directly dwells in people.We interact with the church mostly through other humans, other images of God, that have spirit indwelling in them.Heaven is a COMMUNION, how is that so difficult to understand? Your fellow Christians with spirit indwelling in them is part of the promise, the saints are the proof and the fruit that the spirit can truly sanctify us despite the fall.
>>533930079>turning God into an impersonal hypothetical intellectual deistic conceptual creative forceI do not, I advocate a direct relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ apart from works of the flesh like sacraments.>Rituals are importantno, they are utterly useless and empty works. we are to be set apart from pagans, not do as pagans do.>truly representing Gods divine court through grace and divine energiesGod does not need representatives, he is sovereign and has all authority in heaven and earth. we are to be in communion with each other and uphold Gods standard among us against false teachings of satan.>Your every day is filled with Gods grace, stop trying to turn faith into a hypothetical.every breath and heart beat is given to me by God, you have no idea how much I rely on God to uphold and keep me alive.>I see with my own eyes what it is, you are in discontinuityno, I follow Christ as he told me in his own Words and how his disciples are to live.I do not need the lust of the eyes, pagan rituals or work based salvation. Faith in Jesus Christ is everything, noone can enter into heaven without God since he is the only one that makes it possible.>23 And Jesus said to his disciples, “Truly, I say to you, only with difficulty will a rich person enter the kingdom of heaven. 24 Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the kingdom of God.” 25 When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished, saying, “Who then can be saved?” 26 But Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”
>>533930326I guess my point is that even human language is unable to be perfect on principle, because the reception of language is subjective. So sticking to one translation (and not even an original one used by the Apostles) is a weird tentpole of authority you are using for faith. Sola Scriptura is a bigger problem, because we are all fallible men, including you yourself. Lots of people who genuinely pray to God to reveal to them the truth get let astray. Is the Holy Spirit not leading them to the truth in their biblical interpretations? Clearly not, God is perfect and loving. Or is it their own opinions and sinful passions getting in the way?Please learn about Sola Scriptura and why it is wrong.
>>533929952>cannibalistic blood magic,That's what Christ stopped through the Holy Eucharist. His Flesh and Blood is Divine therefore not under material natural law.
>>533930423>that have spirit indwelling in them.how would you know if its the Holy Spirit or the spirit of anti christ?>Heaven is a COMMUNION, how is that so difficult to understand?because I dont see good fruit.
>>533930630>how would you knowBy their deeds you shall know them
>>533929338That's true, I didn't mean to imply that the physical doesn't aid us on our journey towards the spiritual. Everything that happens in the world is cause and effect, and since the first cause is God, and God is purely good, that means that every effect must be beneficial for us to learn from spiritually. There are more spiritual lessons in nature than we even have the wisdom of perceiving. But I suppose where I draw the distinction, is in insisting that these spiritual lessons must ultimately be learned. The physical can't be abused in order to bypass them. Or to put it in other terms, the physical derives its value from the spiritual, so when it lacks the spiritual it also lacks value.Salvation being merely the first step in a long journey towards sonship is also a good point, in that context the emphasis on Baptism makes more sense, although I still see room for the argument that it isn't strictly necessary if there are other roads towards perfect love, especially if Grace is at all times showing us that road and urging us towards it.>I'm also just some dude so if you want better answers please talk to an Orthodox priest.I suppose I'll probably end up doing that someday, before long. Up until now I've been practicing and studying in solitude, but the Orthodox tradition seems to align the most with everything I've learned and personally experienced on my own.
>>533930554>Please learn about the Word of God and why it is wrong.wow, I heard enough. thats full on heresy.
>>533930059thats interesting, will actually read more about this>>533930587sounds more bizarre,the whole point of blood and wine/mead is the connection between man and gods.it has been like this through all of history and by paying tribute, you gain blessing:like an enhancement and enhanced metabolizer of your needs as a token of gratitude.if gods take notice and they receive literally nothing, good fucking job dude.enjoy that afterlife you speak so highly of
>>533930848I didn't say what you wrote, stop slandering me.
>>533918863De-greek yourself.The bible teaches a physical resurrection of the body on a physical new Earth.this "spirtual" concept comes out of Plato, not the Bible.
>>533930524You are so fallen from the Church I can not even begin to describe it, and the delusional sin of pride and prelest are possessing you. God is a literal real personal being, he is not your imaginary friend in your head, if you want to have a relationship with him just based on your subjective personal understanding of reality you can not. If you truly loved Christ you would obey him and do as he commanded, why do you not fast? Why do you not take communion? You know for a fact that Christ and the apostles did all of this and told you to do it.
>>533931116It is both, it is a literal physical resurrection and the reality will also change to be like Eden after the final judgement, this is the Orthodox teaching.The model of resurrection is transfigured Christ who is both material and spiritual at the same time.
>>533931135>You are so fallen from the Church I can not even begin to describe it, and the delusional sin of pride and prelest are possessing you.This goes hard, Heil Wotan!
>>533930999you just said the Word of God is not enough.do you know what you are saying?thats basically declaring, Jesus Christ, the incarnate Word of God that was with God from the beginning, is not enough to ensure salvation.this directly means you have to add to the accomplished perfect work of Jesus Christ on the cross since Jesus Christ, the Word, is no enough.do you have any idea about the gravity of such a statement?can you work for salvation? are you a gnostic now that can achieve it on his own? can you add yourself as fallen human being to the work of Jesus Christ on the cross?this is just ludicrous.
>>533931285>thats basically declaring, Jesus Christ, the incarnate Word of God that was with God from the beginning, is not enough to ensure salvation.Once saved always saved is a condemned heresy, yes. Your theology is made up, non biblical, did not exist before 17th century in any shape or form, you do not follow the apostles and the apostolic fathers.
>>533930832Orthodoxy is very experiential. Very different than the scholastic approach. In my OP I wrote>We don't go to church to "learn about the bible"This applies to studying Orthodoxy too. It of course starts online because that's how we learn about it and do basic research, but you have to go and see and be in the presence of God. I was super introverted and cynical at first, so I did way too much head knowledge research before I gathered the courage to actually go. It would have saved me a lot of effort to just go and experience truth earlier instead of subjecting it to my own logical retardation.The kind of stuff we have been talking about in this conversation is very mild in terms of the usual hangups. You aren't the type to foam at the mouth seeing Icons and think we are idolaters, so just go, you're ready.
(I just wanted to read it but people wanted money for it so began translating it, but I don't think I'll finish it. It's as faithful to the original as possible, literally word for word, including seemingly random punctuation and whatnot. Double brackets are my own annotations, 7 lines indicates a new page, this is only the preface. (Daemonologie by King James from 1597) )
>>533931490>experientialyou mean performative.like a tv show, its not real but you see it, yet holds no real value.its not based on lived experienced if its without consequence rooted in an action.
>>533931285You are attacking a strawman with a quiver of left-field questions. And you seem very upset, you keep responding to my conversations with other people and making yourself mad.
>>533931135are you implying the Church is the mediator between you and God or is it Jesus Christ who is God?who says your Church is the Church of Christ between all the other Churches?what if you are wrong by following your traditions of man instead of Jesus Christ being your shepard? do you bow to man now instead of Christ?>delusional sin of pride and prelest are possessing you.sure, play satan by accusing me. its what the pharisees did to Jesus too in their blind religious elitism.>why do you not fast?who says I dont? you? do you know my life? or are you just assuming in your blind rage to accuse anyone who is not part of your cult?>Why do you not take communion?what is communion to you, empty rituals of eating and drinking physical bread and wine? or is communion a shared experience with other believer in Jesus Christ? because I have plenty of the latter.>You know for a fact that Christ and the apostles did all of this and told you to do it.cool, you can deliver me the passage then where the disciples consumed the literal blood and flesh of Christ directly breaking the Law of God. until then you havenothing.
>>533931614No, I mean that there is something intangible that you experience that you cannot read in a book or have explained to you.
>>533931403true, I follow Jesus Christ, the Word of God incarnate. not human rituals and traditions like you.
>>533918863I don't know about the rest of that shit you said but I'd agree that Christianity is immoral, yes.
>>533931674maybe stop posting the most outrageous heretical statements?my goal is not to get mad, my goal is to make you realize how far you are from the Word of God. this is very harmful to your soul.>15 “‘I know your works: you are neither cold nor hot. Would that you were either cold or hot! 16 So, because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of my mouth.
>>533931582seems like this describes the most brutal period of the persecutions against our people when people were framed as demons and witches before being burnt alive or tortured to death?where did you even find this, Daemonlogie exist as a book?
>>533931253okay so we're on the same page as far as that goes at least. A lot of times when Orthodox or Catholics, or hey, even Reformed/Calvinists talk about heaven they have this unbiblical "spiritual heaven" view that lacks resurrection, that lacks the new earth because a lot of them are at least partial preterists and have allegorized scripture and leaned really hard on a plato influenced Greek dualism system, that Augustine polluted the Church with for over 1000 years.It's "spiritual" in the sense that the spirit and flesh will no longer be at odds against each other the way they are now, but will be restored to an Eden like state.But we won't just be singing "holy holy holy" 24/7It'll be a real new creation, and we'll be doing work, Earthly work even, planting fields, building houses, raising animals, Isaiah 65 uses a lot of agrarian imagery. Cause that's kind of our original purpose, is to be caretakers of the Earth.The goal is not to go to heaven, but rather for God to live on Earth with us.
>>533931864You are clearly writing things either because you are yourself upset, or you are trying to make me upset. It's not good either way.
>>533931741exactly, thats performative.no lived consequence
>>533931741>something intangible that you experiencehow do you know its not satan deceiving you? being a follower of Christ is not about having an experience or some emotion. only the devil plays into our emotions and expieriences.
>>533931942https://ia902803.us.archive.org/8/items/DemonologyByKingJamesI/Demonology%20by%20King%20James%20I.pdfYeah it's all in Old English though, and I couldn't find a translated version and I just wanted to read it, but being autistic I decided to start translating it, but I need to do other things. If you don't want to click the link search "Daemonologie King James 1597". The author is King James (who did the bible) and title "Daemonologie" and the year is 1597. It's all in Old English though so you will have trouble reading it if it's not your first language. Some words don't exist any more. It's very hard to read I just wanted to read it. If you can find a translated copy already that'd be much appreciated.
Sorry, that involves going outside.
>>533931714>are you implying the Church is the mediator between you and God or is it Jesus Christ who is God?Humans are meant to enter into communion as one body with Christ, Christ has a bride which is the humanity, this body is the Church. The Church is you and all of the communion, it is the very body in which you are intwined with Christ by his grace through the spirit. >who says your Church is the Church of Christ between all the other Churches?Because my Church and the Church of the Apostles acts the same way.>cool, you can deliver me the passage then where the disciples consumed the literal blood and flesh of Christ directly breaking the Law of God. until then you havenothing.You are wording your sentences in the most ratty and hilarious ways possible, this is not debatable, you act as if we do not have the letters and epistles of the apostles? This is bizarre, do you want me to paste entire 1 Corinthians 11 to show to you that Eucharist and Lords supper is a real ritual, that it is not the same as eating at your home, that it must be done communally and that doing it improperly curses you? Or is this not scripture for you?
>>533932077Why are you making assumptions about me? You don't know who I am. Don't judge me. Orthodoxy has far more established procedure on the concept of prelest than any other self-proclaimed Christian, period.
>>533931944Dogmatic Orthodox Creed is resurrection of the dead and the eternal kingdom of God in a deified literal reality. If you meet Orthodox who imply that there is no literal physical resurrection of the dead and the transfigured kingdom to come, they are heterodox. This is dogmatic for us.
>>533932125>https://ia902803.us.archive.org/8/items/DemonologyByKingJamesI/Demonology%20by%20King%20James%20I.pdfcheers, will save this one.but wasnt demon-mania/wolf-mania declared the medieval description of PTSD?i think it was based on experiences around knights who behaved "wolflike"?
>>533931942The version I was translating vanished, that was a photocopy of the book and these are much easier to read actually, here's a better one:https://sdamaranathachurch.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/Daemonologie-King-James-I-England.pdf
>>533932445danke, fren
>>533932379No, demons are real and so is Heaven and hell and God. I could show you demonic objects in your house, even a bottle of Coke is for a deity. You would be shocked but I don't want to worry you, I just want to find a translated version that doesn't need babylon money.
>>533918863Morality doesn't exist without Christianity.
quit arguing between yourselves when you all share the same faith in the Lord Jesus ChristGalatians 6:9-11King James Version9 And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.10 As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men, especially unto them who are of the household of faith.there's no need to try to prove or find the truth between men when God gives knowledge freely.James 1:5King James Version5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.
>>533932199>Christ has a bride which is the humanity, this body is the Churchcool, so this disqualifies the roman church, the orthodox church or any other denomination. this means I have direct communion with Jesus Christ anywhere I am.>Because my Church and the Church of the Apostles acts the same way.no, otherwise you would teach things that go against the teachings of Jesus Christ and his apostles.>do you want me to paste entire 1 Corinthians 11 to show to you that Eucharist and Lords supper is a real ritualexcuse me, did you read what Paul was saying?where does he say that the bread and wine turn into the actual real blood and flesh of Jesus Christ? this is not a ritual of transubstantiation, this is breaking bread and drinking in remembrance of Jesus Christ death on your behalf.>that it must be done communally and that doing it improperly curses you? Or is this not scripture for you?like the orthodox teaches, that we are to consume the actual blood and flesh of Jesus? yes that would curse me, thats why I do not attend such pagan practices.until I have found a real community that adheres to the Word completely I am out of luck I guess.
>>533922716>we dont physically unite with GodOn a scale from 1 to 5, with 1 being "strongly disagree," 5 being "strongly agree," and 3 being neutral, what number do you think the Virgin Mary would give to that statement?
>>533932355well OP seemed to be going on that trajectory though he did clear up that there is a physicality to it still.
>>533932258I didnt make an assumption. I encourage you to look out for red flags.satan is working hard in this day and age and it can become really difficult to tell each apart.thats why I encourage you to keep close to the Word of God since only it is from God the Holy Spirit.
>>533932605christians warped what demons meant, i rather communicate with a demon than a jewish god.christians were the one who forced their own warped worldviews upon us and tortured people to death if they didnt submit.cya in the fire, good read so far.old english looks like an old swedish turned english in a hurry with the use of pronunciation spelled out in german of 1 letter becoming 3
>>533932884No, bro, like, they are literally around you right now. As we speak. Perhaps even in you. This is not up for debate. God bless you
>>533932815did Mary become God or what?she carried the physical body of our Lord Jesus Christ until he was born. after that they each were their own person.
>>533932964>No, bro, like, they are literally around you right now. As we speak. Perhaps even in you.no, you needed to perform rituals for this, your worldview is wraped with nonsense and lacking logic.
>>533932747We are not Catholics, we do not create codefied dogma for what we literally can not know, we do not believe in a hard coded transubstantiation.But we do truly believe that if Christ tells us that directly his flesh is bread indeed and his blood is wine indeed we will listen and obey Christ and believe him.
>>533932964stop blessing me by jewish gods, its disrespectful.might as well call me a nigger tranny instead.im not trying to bless you with my gods.
>>533932852that was not my intention and I'm sorry if that was conveyed. Georgia anon is completely right, listen to him
>>533933105do you think partaking in the eucharist makes you spiritually more alive or gives you spiritual advantages?
>>533933058Pagan and Christian worldview is diametrically opposed ultimately.Every form of Paganism, at the end of the day, is metaphysically pantheistic or animistic if you follow it to the ultimate philosophical conclusion.In Christianity our Gods existence is truly greater and above all of existence in time, his being and his essence is eternal and distinct from created reality. In your metaphysics ultimately teleology and ontology is relative, in our metaphysics it exists preeminently even before created reality. Your pagan gods are basically nature and world itself with extra steps, that is not a God to us and at worst it is demons, our God is greater than mere nature.
>>533932964>God bless youIs there anything more annoying than the sanctimonious Christian>God bless youor>I'll pray for you?I can't think of anything. And they know it irritates the shit out of everyone that doesn't share their brain disease but they say it anyway for the little dopamine kick.
>>533918863christianity is sandniggerismeven agartha/valhalla/middle-earth memes are far more white than this brownoid of a belief systemreturn to your roots and reject this jewish nonsense
>>533933307you guys never seemed great unless when christians tried to steal our rituals and oaths.not even marriage belong to you, not even blessigns belong to you.bledsian, literally blood consecration.showering you in bloodyou wont do that, would you?
>>533918863ANYTHING OTHER THAN BELIEVE IN GOD AND BEING A GOOD PERSON AND REPENTING WHEN YOU DO WRONG IS A KIKE LIE
>>533933058>stop blessing me by jewish gods, its disrespectful.No, I care about you, Jesus cares about you. They don't. You might not believe in the devil, but he believes in you.>>533933375Christ is King, demon. Of course it angers you. How could love bring someone to anger otherwise.
>>533933307>Every form of Paganism, at the end of the day, is metaphysically pantheisticzorastrianism disagrees, nice try tho
>>533933274We believe that life exists only in Christ, we believe that no amount of material works or self improvement can grant you salvation because life ultimately exists solely within Christ himself, we believe that the only way to partake in Christ is to fully give yourself over to him and become part of the body of bride intended for him your faith every word and being belonging to Christ. When you give yourself over to Christ you must obey him, we believe in divine law and order because our God is that of an order and the liturgy and prayer is ordered according to Gods will.We believe that Church life IS faith, and if you do not participate in Church>21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’We must follow Gods will, if Christ told me that bread and wine and his flesh and blood truly, than I will obey and partake of it.
>>533933660Zoroastrianism is metaphysically Dualistic, sure, it is a rare exception.
>>533933631If you are not middle eastern you cannot be an authentic christian
>>533933756also, yahweh is a demon
>>533933660There's literally only like 100,000 "zoroastrians" left. They all converted to Christianity. My city literally has 10x the population of zoroastrians that exist in the entire world. And that's just people that claim to be zoroastrian, how many actually practice and are not just doing it nominally, to be different, for the meme? Come on.
>>533933698>We believe that Church life IS faith, and if you do not participate in Churchthen what happens to you in orthodoxy if you can not participate in the Church for whatever reason?do they lose their salvation?
>>533933270sorry, I am just a little hypersensitive towards preterism and amillennialism so I can jump at shadows sometimes.Be blessed
>>533933826implying you aren't behaving in this performative manner for the sake of memes, you jew-worshiping fool
>>533933781>For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;>Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.>ALL mendid he stutter? ALL MEN :D
>>533934112I don't care what you shit book written by jews says, if you are ethnically european then the bible was not written for you.
>>533933864No, you are not judged by an arbitrary legalistic manner but by your heart.For example, we know that God tells us that we must dedicate a day to him, if a catastrophy happens and you need to save your family God of mercy would not judge you, but if you can not even give your Lord one Lords day out of laziness then the issue is your heart.Even before Christ was incarnate in flesh King David said it>15 O Lord, open thou my lips; and my mouth shall shew forth thy praise.>16 For thou desirest not sacrifice; else would I give it: thou delightest not in burnt offering.>17 The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.God wants our heart, a repentant spirit.I will say even more, I can conceptualize that a person who truly believes and truly repents to Christ even outside of Orthodox Church may be saved, we see that Thief on the Cross is saved because he ultimately gave away his heart to Christ and this is at the end of the day what we must do.But extra normative circumstances should not embolden you to assume that ones circumstances or ones life apply in this case, if you are not lacking anything and if you are in good health and you life day in and day out in sin, what possible justification could you have to not do exactly what the apostles did as they told you to do it?
>>533934190>I don't care what you shit book written by jews saysThen why are you even here? You wouldn't be here if you didn't care, please tell me why.
>>533934324to oppose this nonsense>>533934273They were pleased to do it, and indeed they owe it to them. For if the Gentiles have shared in the Jews’ spiritual blessings, they owe it to the Jews to share with them their material blessings.
>>533934380>These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:>A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,>An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,>A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.Christ is King and I apologize for our circumstances even though I have no fault in causing them, but this is the way of things. Christ is King.
>>533933864>>533934273You have to understand our perspective, please.Christ is enough, utterly enough, more than the entire universe. His Cross is perfect, unique, and incapable of supplementation. But Christs sufficiency does not mean grace is irresistible, mechanical, or impossible to abandon, otherwise we would not be warned by Christ of those who would fall away from him, or would even exorcise in his name yet not know Christ. The Bible repeatedly tells believers to abide, continue, endure, hold fast, fear, repent, and not fall away, but we need to have something to fall away from for that to even begin making sense. Denial of protestant adjacent theology like once saved always saved is not a denial of Christs perfect work. It is a denial of the false claim that man cannot later refuse communion with the Christ who truly saves him. We do not work for salvation as though earning it, and we are certainly not saving ourselves by secret knowledge or autonomous effort that is correctly Gnostic as you said before. BUT AS Philippians 2:12–13 says, we work out our salvation because God works in us. That is Orthodox synergy, synergy is an important word that western Church has lost, it is a YES AND. Eucharist is a "supper" with bread and wine, but yet it is truly also his flesh and blood, mystically/symbolically/metaphysically/energetically, I can not understand Gods nature let alone his operations so I will not know in this life how exactly but I profess what Christ told me.
>>533934543>Christ is Kingof the jews
>>533934273>we know that God tells us that we must dedicate a day to himyes, and we know which day that is. the question is do you honor God by dedicating his chosen day to him, or do you dedicate a day to him that he didnt chose.thats where the roman catholic heresy of changing the law from the Sabbath rest day to the Lords day comes in.>what possible justification could you have to not do exactly what the apostles did as they told you to do it?would you believe me that I visited a Church but was so appealed by the teachings and practices that I prayed to God in great distress about it and got the answer back to stay away from human run/created Churches?
>>533934612Of everyone, jews included. Honestly bro please do something else, do not gamble with eternity, it's not worth it.
>>533934380Dispensationalism and Jewish support does not exist in Orthodox Dogma, hence why our saints like Saint John Chrysostom could be so critical of their perverted and evil theology.Talmudic Judaism developed as a reaction to Christ as his direct denial, this is a literal secular fact of history that the developments of Talmud are after Christianity started to spread.
>>533934701>Honestly bro please do something else, do not gamble with eternity, it's not worth it.shut up dumbass lol>>533934725Yes they dot. actual orthodox family, not a convert zealot like you
>>533934649But lord tells us that his is with us in Communion, when there are three or more of us he is with us.Christ should want you to unite with others not segregate and isolate.If you believe you saw evil or corruption it should make you want to interact with Christians more, but should also make you want to listen more to why Christians hold certain positions.Read the earliest church fathers, those who had direct contact with apostles, at least try to hear them out unless you assume that Church instantly fell as soon as Christ ascended.
>>533934766>not a convert zealot like youLook at my flag lol
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>>533934920you are not european, you are not even middle eastern, you are some turkic mongol subhuman
>>533934701I denounce the torah, torah, talmud and all bibles to the eternal burning excrement.Fuck you all.My soul is reserved to my Gods to be of whatever use at Ragnarök for my people.
>>533934971lol does that mean that you realized how retarded it is to claim I am a convert?
>>533934611I dont have anything against that, but Jesus Christ was rebuking Churches in Revelation.he was not speaking to people outside the Church but the Churches themselves.this means that Churches, their practices, their teachings, their traditions can fall away especially when false apostles and teachers enter. and this has been satan MO since day one. satan focused on bringing heresies and false gods into Israel during the OT, he does the same today with the churches. Protestants included. I hate what modern day Protestantism has become. this does not mean that the roman catholic and even the orthodox church is free from this satanic infiltration.to counter this is to go by scripture alone, sola scriptura, since only the scripture is pure and without false teachings.this is my main problem not just with orthodoxy, but most if not all churches of today. and I am not free from that either. God spent the last years to completely rip me out from false teachings, false doctrines and false traditions that sullied and infiltrated the Churches and subsequently what we believe a follower of Christ is.the roman catholics being the worst offenders (Germany is a roman catholic country sadly).I dont come into these threads to offend or separate, my sole purpose is to tell people, hey shit is on fire in our Churches, stick to the scriptures or what happened to Israel in the OT will happen to you, harsh judgement.
>>533934766>actual orthodox family, not a convert zealot Thank you. The whole Orthodox bro thing is toxic. People have fallen for a stupid meme and keep converting for the wrong reasons:>you can fight le Jewish New World Order with this one simple trick> begome_ordodox.jpg... and now every person with an immature sense of religion keeps invading the parishes of the Orthodox and polluting it with their zealous nonsense. People who goon to Jay Dyer need to be filtered out
>>533935019It means that your word is of no meaning, levantine middle eastern people practiced this stuff long before you converted, you are a convert faker, they are the only real deal.
>>533918863Christians are Jews. Jesus was Emmanuel, was not Jewish, never said he was "the Christ" and spread the greatest teachings the world has ever known. Read the book of Matthew. Kjb.
>>533934766I was like you I didn't believe anything, I was an atheist, keep learning more about jews. I even called people "christcucks" and laughed at Christians. Look for the truth and you'll find it. Do you know jews are the synagogue of satan? They have made you like this, they hate you, but we love you. Jesus won't give up on you. Keep learning, gogo>>533935015You don't mean that, keep learning and find the truth. Focus on the truth, I found satan before I found Jesus. The black cube focus on that, it's an easy one
>>533934871>Christ should want you to unite with others not segregate and isolate.sadly my communion with other believers for now is over the internet.fortunately I have found many many others that follow and profess the same view about my faith in Jesus Christ meaning I am not alone out there and that Jesus leads his flock to this day.>Read the earliest church fathers, those who had direct contact with apostles, at least try to hear them out unless you assume that Church instantly fell as soon as Christ ascended.nothing wrong with the earliest church fathers. its the corruptions that settles in much later. especially during the persecution time many manuscripts where destroyed and once christianity was established as the main religion in the roman empire a ton of false teachings, doctrines and traditions came into the churches.
>>533935234>I was like you I didn't believe anything,you have no clue what I believe
>>533935351what do you believe?
>>533935423don't worry about it
>>533935234>I decided to oppose the Jews by worshiping a JewOkay Nigel
>>533935234>You don't mean that, keep learning and find the truthyou dont seem to get it, do you? i pity you.i would know no greater shame than for my soul be snathed away by a jewish god.i would happily rise a new for battle alone and to die, only to rise again over and over for all eternityto be the best use possible for my own people in the final day for our own survival.i piss on your jewish gods,you sound so pathetic and i would find no greater pain than being in a "heaven" full of niggers for eternity.an eternity where im literally doing nothing and its full of brown smelly people and your jews.no fucking way.
>>533935449>don't worryI can't help it anon, tell me>>533935626I do get it anon I just dont want to believe it, and I'm not reading any more of what you said.
>>533918953Congratulations on being a Christian, but your pride will be your downfall. If you want to call out mega churches for their wrongdoings, whatever, but thinking you're better than Protestants, won't lead to anything positive for you. God bless.
>>533935738I believe whites who worship from the tree of abraham are ridiculous and are basically rev-limiters on their own race and a plague on their people, for starters.
if you lose to your enemies, you win.
>>533935758It's not about "being better" personally. Individually I'm not better than anyone. But the truth is the truth, independent of me.
>>533935781And for finishers?
>>533935947> But the truth is the truth, independent of me.
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>>533932258hes right you know. if you accept your mind was a beautiful divine creation gifted to you by the gods, youre going to hell. also known as elysium, the place where jews arent allowed.but if you reduce yourself to your feeeelings, being puppeted around like an animal, who sees food and eats it, who sees cat and chases it, who sees another dog he barks, with no thought whatsoever. youre running on default settings, no 'individual' (soul) development or input whatsoever.
>>533936033Christ is King. I need to go to sleep but god bless you anon, I hope your eyes are opened. Why do the jews hate Jesus so much and why do you believe their lies.Jesus Christ, Son of the living God, have mercy on this man, a sinner.
>>533936301>Why do the jews hate Jesus so muchthe jews view jesus as a renegade, similar to how they viewed spinoza, thy may not like him but they certainly like paul the double spy an the way christianity restrains white goyim
>>533936021>Sola Scriptura confusionSkill issue
>>533936116God does not want automatons. Non-Christians shouldn't try to articulate what Christians believe, it is dishonest.
>>533931994>>533932258>>533933270you ever actually read the orthodox views?in descending order of jewishness>catholic>orthodox>jewhovahs witnesses>protestant>mormonand even the least jewish of the jewish slave religions admits jesus was jewish and jews were chosen by yahweh/jewhovah, who they believe is the god of this worldthere is no 'based' christianity. its a fundamental impossibility to conceive of a "based" jew worship, every avenue to basedness, i.e. going full blown Khorn to wipe out all jews, is covered by jews in the old testament.theoretically youd want to start a 'christian' religion which does not accept the old testament, beyond the simple fact jews have declared war upon the world, and are still technically in a state of war, and what their plans and intentions are. as a strategy of knowing your enemy, its useful. religious applications, nonexistant. second, it should not accept any aspect of jewish input thereafter, which includes the gospels and the entire new testament, as they should be considered tainted and enemy propaganda. therefore any testimony of jesus should be considered spurious and unreliable. without any jewish input whatsoever, begin building your religion.
>>533936758>you ever actually read the orthodox views?What kind of question is this? I am Orthodox. Do you understand what it takes to become Orthodox?
>>533933307nigger the extent of your understanding of metaphysics is "siri, create da earf"quit trying to act like your jewish religion is deep lmao, it borders on retarded
>>533936758>theoretically youd want to start a 'christian' religion which does not accept the old testament, beyond the simple fact jews have declared war upon the world, and are still technically in a state of war, and what their plans and intentions are. as a strategy of knowing your enemy, its useful. religious applications, nonexistant. second, it should not accept any aspect of jewish input thereafter, which includes the gospels and the entire new testament, as they should be considered tainted and enemy propaganda. therefore any testimony of jesus should be considered spurious and unreliable. without any jewish input whatsoever, begin building your religion. It's like you didn't even read the very first sentence of the OP.>Some people view Christianity as a political or social tool, or even in a self-help sense to improve your status. These are materialist (or maybe more intuitively, physicalist) mindsets that lose the fullness of context, and are really ahistorical as far as how humans have experienced spirituality.
>>533936849lots of (((anointings))) i would imagine. gotta build up that muscle memory, otherwise the entire process breaks down (see below)>jews create faggots>faggots create pedophiles>pedophiles create jew worshippers>jew worshippers create jews
>>533936932I like listening to Orthodox priest on YouTube, they make more sense than your avg rabbi kike
>>533937002You retarded my nigger?
>>533937010God bless you
>>533936932>its like you didnt even read the opthat is accurate.something about the benefits of social engineering? social engineering to the benefit of jews (who are at war with you) is counter-productive. you want to do the inverse.
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>>533937095You too. You should watch harmony on YouTube for philosophy stuffAnd Ben Born again for high tier stuff
>>533918863Hylics will never grasp this
>>533937059are you? calling your jew god allah or jesus, adonai, elohim, yahweh, its irrelevant to me. jewish things are jewish. transcend language, see the malingering spirit behind it all.
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>>533937213Yeah, cause god was never called yawah or Allah in the ot or nt
>>533937232I don't think white countries should be 100% white without nonwhites
>>533937332Do think*
>>533937332freudian slip lol
>>533937232>>533937171the question we must answer is what would it take for a white man to follow another white man? what does he require to pledge himself to that white man's cause? security? waifu, children? imo it ultimately comes down to wealth. with a few other white men, i can provide us all that wealth. we need to have a white man summit of some kind to start discussing our future because this online faggotry and jew worship waiting around for a jew to save you aint working
>>533937420Nah, just iphone autocorrect
>>533937420I do enjoy watching Jewess getting blacked
>>533937272no shit sherlock, its because theyre called translations for specific targetted audiences. did you not read that based Julian the Apostate quote? youll find no god behind any of it, because its just jews. its always just been jews.
>>533937420It makes me happy when Jewess do that
>>533937545>Julian the ApostateThe guy who tried to rebuild the third temple?You retarded?
>>533918863If your Father is Good, why did he not save any Christians from the Bolsheviks? Seems like a deadbeat Father. A Good Shepherd protects his flock. Whether he does so is the primary determinant of whether he is a Good Shepherd.
>>533937854/thread
>>533937854Martyrdom is basic to Christianity. Soviet Russia provided the Church with the most martyrs ever, even more than the Pagan Romans. And now look at it, the Church has not only outlived Communism, it is now thriving. May God help us by their Holy prayers.If you are interested, go online and learn about Roman Braga. He was interred in the communist psychological torture prisons for over a decade. He spent the last part of his life in Michigan, and he is probably a Saint yet to be canonized. I know people who knew him personally and he performed miracles, his hearts was so pure. Lots of footage of him on youtube speaking or giving interviews.
>>533940587We know. Soon you shall Justin Martyr your own cock and balls, Chr*stkike.
>>533940732>>533939300Projection, shitskin jeet diaspora
>>533940732if only your threats were real and not just empty words, sadly there is no glory in enduring your insults because they are so toothless
>>533918863The divine is absolutely incorporeal, and impassible. catholics, orthodox, and mainline protestants all believe this.>It cannot suffer>It cannot be shamed>It cannot be arrested, beaten, mocked, crucified>It cannot dieA God who suffers is a God who can be affected, which means a God who is not fully self-sufficient, which means not truly supreme.christcucks say:>yeshua was truly divineotherwise you have the Arianism heresy that atonement has no infinite weight>yeshua truly sufferedotherwise you have the Docetism heresy that yeshua only appeared to have a body and only appeared to sufferYou cannot logically refute this. The best argument you have is Kierkegaard admitting it is an impossibility but to believe it anyways.
>>533941420Christ has two natures, human and divine. People were confused about this for centuries. The more you try to use your limited, fallen, honestly retarded human logic on the incomprehensible mystery that God became man (and still IS man to this day) the more your brain becomes high on ego like crack.The whole of the import of the Incarnation rests upon God truly becoming man, and that He truly suffered and experienced all the struggles and trials we face as fallen humans. Yet He prevailed, and perfected our nature, and now He has paved the path for us to do the same for ourselves with His help. Picrel quote is dangerous to throw around in some contexts because people misinterpret it. But union with God is basic to Christianity too, so it's really not a crazy statement if you understand what St Athanasius meant by it. We don't become God the Uncreated, but we become like God by grace, through union with Him. God is ,ove, He shares everything, even to the point that He became one of us forever.
>>533941911God is love*
>>533941911Two natures is just a linguistic cop out. If only the human nature suffers the passion has no infinite weight since god does not suffer. If there is transmission of suffering from human to divine then god is not impassible. Just read Practical Christianity and admit Kierkegaard was right.
>>533942282>the passion has no infinite weightWhat do you mean by this?
Lots of pointless contention in this thread. Nobody reasons themselves to salvation and joy. Attend an Orthodox Divine Liturgy. The goal is theosis. Union with God. Seems impossible but its true. See for yourself.
>>533942375By infinite weight I mean eternal and total significance. If god does not divinely suffer on the cross then it's a meaningless gesture. If god truly suffers on the cross then it is a divine gesture of eternal and total significance.
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>>533942690I disagree and I think you are creating a false equivalence. It obviously has eternal significance, and the Orthodox Church Fathers all would agree that God's Divine Nature is unchanging. We are immortal beings and our destiny is shaped by this event, therefore it is significant unto eternity.
>>533942904>We are immortal beings and our destiny is shaped by this event, therefore it is significant unto eternity.We are shaped by the passion the exact same as we are shaped by any other material event; unless god truly suffered the passion. This is not a false equivalence, it is the distinction of material and divine.
>>533943470>We are shaped by the passion the exact same as we are shaped by any other material eventThe Passion was not a solely material event.
>>533943579So then god is divinely affected and not impassible.
>>533943694It was never meant to make sense; just play havoc and dazzle the simpletons who would help force this alien proto-Marxist commune on us. The Shogunate was stronger, more absolute and faithful in extricating the poison; hence Japan preserved their Tradition and the last emperor, no less an Aryan-style god-emperor, in the world today.
>>533943694No, why would that be the case? It's a false equivalence again. Spiritual reality can change without God changing.
>>533944002>Spiritual reality can change without God changing.Are you adopting a neoplatonic framework as many christcucks do as an ex post facto explanation, given that yeshua and saul gave no indication of this? Explain what divinely changed from the passion so I can tell if you're headcanoning christianity or just plain wrong.
