The problem with explaining why the world is so fucked up is that it takes a while to lay it all out, and most people (yourselves included) wouldn't understand anyway. Quite the dilemma.
>>533929734The first issue is that ordinary people lack the framework even to comprehend the problem. This is by design. About 150 years ago the three factors of production were consolidated into two, namely labor and capital. Land as a factor of production was folded into capital. This was the death of classical economics, which risked exposing the game, and the birth of neo-classical.Why this matters is virtually impossible for someone without special training to comprehend, because it requires use of archaic terms like "ground rent" and "economic rent." Yet without knowledge of these terms it is nearly impossible to fathom the scope and scale of the issue, let alone how it could be fixed.So the fools who frequent this board will continue opining on migrants, lack of jobs, cost of living, fertility rates, recessions and general unaffordability while tragically failing to grasp *why* it's this way much less *how* it could be fixed.You are all utterly incorrigible.
>>533929734simplest I can describe it:>humanity has discovered that there is no "society" or "community"everyone is an atomized individual actor in a cutthroat competition for resources and mates.when you dissolve nation, community, or all the things that would bind an elite to their citizen.you get this shitholenothing is ever going to get bettereveryone is just going to become uglier.humanity will lose any quality that makes it worthwhile to be kind to. (physically fit attractive white women.and society will turn into a psychopathic murder fest.
>>533929734>The problem with explaining why the world is so fucked up is that it takes a while to lay it all out, and most people (yourselves included) wouldn't understand anyway.>So the fools who frequent this board will continue opining on migrants, lack of jobs, cost of living, fertility rates, recessions and general unaffordability while tragically failing to grasp *why* it's this way much less *how* it could be fixed.
>>533931211if I don't have love or beauty in my life. there is no reason to be kind to anyone.
>>533930841>make a whole post with a bunch of pretentious vocab>explain economic corruption without detail>claim there is solution>refuse to give itFucking leaf wasting time, everyone knows the economic system is corrupt. The solution to corruption is force.
>>533929734no it doesn'tall current world problems caused by too many people not enough lebensraum and lugenpresse
>>533931662I said you're too stupid to get it regardless, did I not? I could explain it and you wouldn't understand, so to protect your fragile ego you would pretend you did while saying something similar to the drivel you posted anyway.
>>533931740Predictably stupid post. All these ideas were financed by monopolists. Malthus was astroturfed by oligarchs. You have no clue what a deluded fool you are led about my the nose by the very people you think you resist.
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>>533931211At least you got competition for scarce resources right. Play a game of Monopoly. Not the current Hasbro version, but the original Landlord's Game. The solution is right there in the rules.
>>533929734Bluefags and their delusions are literally the cause of all our problems.
>>533931819a group of the upper class rich want to wipe out 95%+ of humanity so they are causing the collapse of every institution both in terms of its competence and its legitimacy in a bid to give legitimacy fro the upper classes to strip the wealth from everyone who isnt working in the c-suite of a fortune 500 company hoping humanity kills itself off.
>>533929734>how OP felt typing ts out
>>533932059>>533932299Believe it or not, but everyone is as stupid as you.
>>533929734>>533930841>>533931211>>533931291>>533931299>>533931662>To introduce the theory of interest here expounded, and to facilitate the removal of old prejudices, which are nowhere stronger than in connection with the subject of interest, I shall begin with a story of Robinson Crusoe. *>Robinson Crusoe, as is well known, built his house, from motives of health, on the south side of the mountain, whereas his crops grew on the damp but fruitful northern slopes. He was therefore obliged to carry his harvests over the mountain. To eliminate this labour he decided to construct a canal around the mountain. The time required for this enterprise which, to avoid silting, would have to be continued without interruption, he estimated at three years. He had therefore to lay in provisions for three years.>He slaughtered some pigs and cured their flesh with salt; he filled a deep trench with wheat, covering it carefully with earth. He tanned a dozen buckskins for suits and nailed them up in a chest, enclosing also the stink-glands of a skunk as a precaution against moths. In short, he provided amply and, as he thought, wisely, for the coming three years.
>>533932644>As he sat calculating for the last time whether his "capital" was sufficient for the projected undertaking, he was startled by the approach of a stranger, obviously the survivor of a shipwreck.>"Hallo, Crusoe!" shouted the stranger as he approached, "my ship has gone down, but I like your island and intend to settle here. Will you help me with some provisions until I have brought a field into cultivation and harvested my first crops?">At these words Crusoe's thoughts flew from his provisions to the possibility of interest and the attractions of life as a gentleman of independent means. He hastened to answer "yes.">"That's splendid ! " replied the stranger, "but I must say at once that I shall pay no interest. I would prefer to keep myself alive by hunting and fishing, for my religion forbids me to pay, or to receive, interest."
>>533932691Robinson Crusoe:An admirable religion! But from what motive do you expect me to advance you provisions from my stores if you pay me no interest?Stranger:From pure egoism, my dear fellow, from your self-interest rightly understood. Because you gain, and gain enormously.R.C.That, stranger, you have yet to prove. I confess that I can see no advantage in lending you my provisions free of interest.S.I shall prove it in black and white, and if you can follow my proof, you will agree to a loan without interest, and thank me into the bargain. I need, first of all, clothes, for, as you see, I am naked. Have you a supply of clothes?R.C.That chest is packed with buckskin suits.S.My dear Crusoe! I had more respect for your intelligence. Just fancy nailing up clothes for three years in a chest - buckskins, the favourite diet of moths! And buckskins must be kept aired and rubbed with grease, otherwise they become hard and brittle.R C.That is true, but I have no choice in the matter. They would be no safer in my clothes-cupboard - less safe, indeed, for it is infested by rats and mice as well as by moths.S.The rats and mice will get them in any case. Look how they have already started to gnaw their way in!R.C.Confound the brutes! I am helpless against them.S.What! A human being helpless against mice! I will show you how to protect yourself against rats and mice and moths, against thieves and brittleness, dust and mildew. Lend me these clothes for one, two or three years and I agree to make you new clothes as soon as you require them. You will receive as many suits as you have lent me, and the new suits will be far superior to those you would have taken from the chest. Nor will you regret the absence of the particular perfume you have employed! Do you agree?R.C.Yes, stranger, I agree to lend you the chest of clothes; I see that in this case, the loan, even without interest, is to my advantage.
>>533932808S.Now show me your wheat; I need some for bread and seed.R.C.It is buried in this mound!S.Wheat buried for three years! What about mildew and beetles?R.C.I have thought of them and considered every other possibility but this is the best I can do.S.Just bend down a moment. Observe this beetle crawling on the surface of the mound. Note the garbage and the spreading patch of mildew. It is high time to take out the wheat and air it.R.C.This capital will be my ruin! If only I could find some method of protecting myself against the thousand destructive forces of nature!S.Let me tell you, Crusoe, how we manage at home. We build a dry and airy shed and shake out the wheat on the boarded floor. Every three weeks the whole mass is turned over with wooden shovels. We also keep a number of cats; we set mouse-traps and insure against fire. In this way we keep the annual depreciation down to 10%.R.C.But the labour and expense!S.Exactly! You shrink from the labour and expense. In that case you have another course. Lend me your wheat and I shall replace it, pound for pound, sack for sack, with fresh wheat from my harvest. You thus save the labour of building a shed and turning over the wheat; you need feed no cats, you avoid the loss of weight, and instead of mouldy rubbish you will have fresh, nutritious bread.R.C.With all my heart I accept your proposal.S.That is, you will lend me your wheat free of interest?R.C.Certainly: without interest and with my best thanks.S.But I can use only part of the wheat, I do not need it all.R.C.Suppose I give you the whole store with the understanding that for every ten sacks lent you give me back nine sacks?
>>533932644ok so everything is shit right now because someone or a group of people want to make their resource extraction more streamlined,wow! so awesome!let me guess these same faggots want t prosocial global human unity mystery meat bucket of shit too.
>>533932906S.I must decline your offer, for it would mean interest - not indeed positive, but negative interest. The receiver, not the giver of the loan, would be a capitalist, and my religion does not permit usury; even negative interest is forbidden. I propose therefore the following agreement. Entrust me with the supervision of your wheat, the construction of the shed, and whatever else is necessary. In return you can pay me, annually, from every ten sacks two sacks as wages.R.C.It makes no difference to me whether your service comes under the heading of usury or labour. The agreement is, then, that I give you ten sacks and that you give me back eight sacks?S.But I need other articles, a plough, a cart and tools. Do you consent to lend them, also, without interest? I promise to return everything in perfect order, a new spade for a new spade, a new, unrusted, chain for a new chain, and so forth.R.C.Of course I consent. All I have at present from my stores is work. Lately the river overflowed and flooded the shed, covering everything with mud. Then a storm blew off the roof and everything was damaged by rain. Now we have drought, and the wind is blowing in sand and dust. Rust, decay, breakage, drought, light, darkness, dry-rot, ants, keep up a never-ending attack. We can congratulate ourselves here upon having, at least, no thieves and incendiaries. I am delighted that, by means of a loan, I can now store my belongings without expense, labour, loss or vexation, until I need them later.S.That is, you now see the advantage you gain by lending me your provisions free of interest?
>>533931968>Predictably stupid postyou don't understand math do you??
>>533929734I HAVE SIMPLIFIED IT TO ONE GRAND EQUATIONGOD = KIKE
>>533933016R.C.Of course I do. But the question now occurs to me, why do similar stores of provisions at home bring their possessors interest?S.The explanation lies in money which is there the medium of such transactions.R.C.What? The cause of interest lies in money? That is impossible, for listen to what Marx says of money and interest:"The change of value of money that converts it into capital cannot be derived from the money itself, since money in its function of medium of payment does no more than pay the price of the commodity it purchases, and, as hard cash it is value petrified, never varying. Just as little can the change occur in the second act of circulation, the re-sale of the commodity. [For in both cases] equivalents are exchanged, and the commodity is paid for at its full value. We are therefore forced to the conclusion that the change originates in the use-value of the commodity, after its purchase and before its sale." (Capital I. VI).S.How long have you been on this island?R.C.Thirty years.S.I thought so! You still appeal to the theory of value. My dear sir, that theory is dead and buried. At the present day it has no defenders.R.C.What ?, Marx's theory of interest dead and buried. Even if no one else defends it - I defend it.S.Well then, defend it not only with words but also in practice if you wish, in relation to me! I hereby break off the bargain we have just made. From their nature and destination your goods are the purest form of what is usually called capital. But I challenge you to take up the position of a capitalist towards me. I need your stuff. No worker ever appeared before a capitalist as naked as I stand before you. Never has there been so clear an illustration of the relation between the owner of capital and the individual in need of capital. And now make the attempt to exact interest ! Shall we begin our bargaining again from the beginning?
>>533929734>What's wrong with the worldjews
>>533933097R.C.I surrender ! Rats, moths and rust have broken my power as a capitalist. But tell me, what is your explanation of interest?S.The explanation is simple enough. If there were a monetary system on this island and I, as a shipwrecked travelled needed a loan, I should have to apply to a money-lender for money to buy the things which you have just lent me without interest. But a money-lender has not to worry about rats moths, rust and roof-repairing, so I could not have taken up the position towards him that I have taken up towards you. The loss inseparable from the ownership of goods (there the dog running off with one of your - or rather my -buckskins!) is born, not by money-lenders, but by those who have to store the goods. The money-lender is free from such cares and is unmoved by the ingenious arguments that found the joints in your armour. You did not nail up your chest of buckskins when I refused to pay interest; the nature of your capital made you willing to continue the negotiations. Not so the money-capitalist; he would bang the door of his strong room before my face if I announced that I would pay no interest. Yet I do not need the money itself, I need it only to buy buckskins. The buckskins you lend me without interest but on the money to buy buckskins I must pay interest!R.C.Then the cause of interest is to be sought in money? And Marx was mistaken?S.Of course Marx was mistaken, and as he was mistaken about money, the nervous system of economic life, he was mistaken about everything. He and his disciples excluded money from the scope of their enquiry; he was fascinated by the shining 'metal disks', otherwise he could never have written: "Gold and silver are not by nature money, but money is by nature gold and silver, witness the coincidence of their natural properties and its functions."
>>533933176R.C.Practice certainly doesn't confirm Marx's theory, that has been clearly shown by our negotiations. For Marx money is simply a medium of exchange, but money does more, it seems, than "merely pay the price of the commodities it purchases," as Marx asserted. When the borrower refuses to pay interest, the banker can close the door of his safe without experiencing any of the cares wich beset the owner of goods - that is the root of the matter.S.Rats, moths and rust are powerful logicians! A single hour of economic practice has taught you more than years of study of the text books.
OP is an arrogant moron, lurk more
>>533934162Feeling called out, are we?Good.
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