Make sure I got this right.>our wages are literal paper with numbers on it and digits in a computer>the numbers tell us how much "money" we have>cannot save cause it's just paper and numbers in a computer, not real valuable thing>have to literally put the paper money into buying real assets to save the value of your labor.How the fuck is such a system still going? It's entirely fake.
>>533930145money has always been illusory, even when it was based on gold. "value" is entirely subjective
>>533930145>our wagesOur what?
>>533930145It's several steps removed from having physical gold but it's the same fundamental system. Money is scarce, valuable and fungible, and nobody wants to defect from the agreed system of money.
>>533930216is that sarcastic?
>>533930254>Money is scarce,How the fuck is 0s and 1s in a computer, and literal paper, scarce?
this military scrip doesn't meet the requirements of legal tender among other flaws>lol
>>533930444Legal tender always boggled me. What if you dont have any debts to pay? Why continue to use the scrip?And I like your use of military scrip
>>533930145Money can be exchanged for goods and services.
>>533930602You could do this before the Federal Notes system.
>>533930145Americans are animals
>>533930145COLLAPSE
>>533930145it's just a scoring system, those are Good Goy Points®. the more of your time your give away the higher your score.
>>533930919This perfectly scientificIs the social credit system but for reals with the locked quests
>>533930919>your timeVery goy thinking there.
>>533930919So explain why everyone at the top have zero productivity themselves and yet get loaned millions of dollars with ease.
>>533930405Because we have rules in place that makes it scarce. That's what makes it money.
>>533930145The government demands taxes be paid in currency. That gives it a use value beyond just "other people trade it".Like most things, what ultimately backs it is a form of force.
>>533930653Money can be exchanged for goods and services. Do I have to repeat this basic fact
>>533931073those are the veteran players who get traded to a team to provide consultation.
>>533931127>Because we have rules in place that makes it scarce.What rules make it scarce? They print it everyday and then the banks give it out to whomever they want for whatever reason they want.
>>533931150But if you don't earn any of the currency through income, you pay zero taxes. And the taxes are only there to lessen the money. The government prints what it needs for any service it wants to pay for.
>>533931336Consultation for what? They don't even work themselves. I guess they are being consulted on how to keep us slaves continuing to work for paper.
>>533931359Right, and that's what makes it scarce. Only the bank can print it and they choose who to give it to. How do you not understand this?
>>533931359You can't spend the same dollar twice and only the central bank can create new dollars without going into debt. That keeps dollars scarce enough and maintains public confidence in them so dollars obey the rules of money.
You know how we have laws and 1s and 0s that say poor people are entitled to such and such welfare and everyone just kind of goes along with it becaus they believe in those laws.Well money is basically the rich peoples version of that. They have magic words on paper and 1s and 0s on a computer that you believe entitles them to more power and resources than you. Except unlike the laws saying poor people deserve food atamps nobody voted on how much money the rich were entitled to...OH WAIT except you did. Every time you vote for a tax cut, or a bailout, or insider trading, or unrestricted lobbyist bribes you are voting for richfag welfare.Everything about society and the division of power ultimately comes down to how you vote. You could literally vote yourself to be wealthy (you know like the boomers did hint hint) but no. You are constantly getting bamboozled by jews and richfags telling you to vote against your interests. Dont raise that minimum wage goy or else the omnipotent billionaires will crash the economy. Every notice how that logic is never applied in reverse?>oh geez mr coinblat we better pay these workers more or they will all refuse to work and crash the economy!!!You are literally a puppet being manipulated into voting yourself poor and frankly you kind of deserve it for believing such obvious lies.
>>533931496I do. But that isn't enough to make it valuable. I can't save anything with it. It's not rare. It's literally paper they can print whenever. So it's not scarce. Meanwhile, gold or silver cannot be magick'd up.
>>533931652It is scarce, because if you try to forge it, you'll be violently murdered by the secret service.
>>533931640Voting never works.
>>533930145>attached to the concept of moneyI think you might've missed a revelation there...
>>533930145New money is created through debt with interest, requiring new money to continually enter the system. That inflates the prices of everything. And since you're a nobody, everybody received the money before you, spent it - inflating goods and services - those people spent it inflating goods and services again - now you receive some of that new money but shit is already skyrocketed in price. And guess what, they're never going to stop printing and you're never going to catch up because the money reaches you last always.
>>533931724That doesn't make it scarce. It's a threat of violence, but that doesn't stop the production of new bills. All you're saying is that they have a monopoly on making paper money. But it's not rare cause paper is not rare. And the 0s and 1s are virtually limitless. It's no longer scarce.
>>533930145well, anon, they tried other systems that also didn't work out well (like slavery)there is no good system that will make everyone happy/succesful
>>533930197not true. gold can be easily molded into a knife and it won’t corrode. you can make the knife with a small campfire for heat and then stash the knife even under water and later use it to stab a jew or nigger to death. you’re welcome, i just explained why gold is valuable
>>533931863I think everyone was doing fine using coins.
>>533931911you could literally do the same thing with iron, thus iron must be just as "valuable" as gold, right?
>>5339317891s and 0s aren't scarce, neither are protons and neutrons. But just like you can't just slap a bunch of protons and neutrons together and get gold, you can't just slap a bunch of 1s and 0s together and change your bank account balance. The system itself holds this together, not any intrinsic value in the dollar. The fact that everyone agrees to it is what generates the value, and your disagreement with this is not powerful enough to undo that. Whether you consider this to be retarded or not is irrelevant to whether or not it exists and functions.
>>533932065Nigga, I've studied banking. A lot of the ledger shit is literally accounting jewish magic. They say one thing then they put it beneath another. Suddenly, that million dollars is a miscalculation or never happened. When you own the printing press of a country, there's no one there to hold you accountable. Especially the US government who are all bought by said fake money system.0s and 1s are cheap. They aren't like bitcoin or other crypto where the unit literally required labor and time to produce.
>>533931911Retard, a golden knife won't harm a jew, and uf you try to stab a nigger with one, he will steal it.
>hurr money is fake its not really valuableGive me all yours then>Um no I actually agree its valuable
>>533930145>It's entirely fakeWell yeah, it's all just so we can conduct business in an orderly manner without slaughtering each other.
>>533932245I actually do give over my fake money to buy real assets every paycheck.
>>533932057Iron rusts. Look clown, gold has been the only real money for over 5 thousand years because it is intrinsically, officially, and naturally valuable. Even the lowest IQ nigger knows gold is important. You are too invested in the fiat system, thats why you desperately try to defend it. But fiat goes to 0, every, single , time. 100% failure rate. Gold is God's money, gold is king. If you are too stupid to aquire it, you deserve to be a slave, and you will be. You are untermensch.
>>533932247But we're still slaughtering each other, if not more thanks to the central bank.
>>533930145ok let me make it simple for you faggot. Imagine instead of being paid in money, you work as a farmer and you get potatos up from the ground, those are yours and you now want to buy a car. Load up 20 tons of potatos in your pockets and walk to to the car dealer, unfortunately your neighbor who is also a potato farmer was here 4 days ago and now everyone in the neighborhood has potato, car salesman says he wants 35 tons of potatos instead because the value of your potato is fluctuating in the market. Money is just that, instead of basing it on potato it becomes this all encompassing aggregate
>>533931073They have collateral
>>533932340Okay, I'll give him silver or gold coins instead.
>>533932345Thank you for exposing how rigged the system is, cause collateral can mean anything to the bank.>oh, you married my daughter, here's a loan
>>533932311Yes you part with it for things of more-or-less equal value, you don't actually discard it like supposedly worthless trash
>>533932336What's the alternative?
>>533932472I don't depart with it cause npcs keep believing it's real.Fiat is funny to me. You are basically tricking people into holding paper money by having them give over assets, their time, or their labor in return. It's like a hot potato.>heres bills the government promises to uphold in value, give me your stuffAnd they just go along with it.
>>533932412>silver and gold coins arent moneyin the old days the either clipped the coins to jew you over, or reforged the coins with less silver or gold. Today everyone can plate the coins at home so you would have to inspect every single coin by hand for a transaction
>>533932222I don't know why you keep focusing on scarcity and what is cheap or "real".It is irrelevant. Fiat currency is an agreement held together by rules and enforced with violence, and that's been posted in here repeatedly while you ignore this and say non-sequiturs. The dollars don't need to be real, they are shorthand for the agreement just like the 1s and 0s. Why is that so hard to understand?
>>533932582Remove the central bank. Return to federal currency and precious metals like our forefathers and every human before the invention of America.
>>533932609That's why you don't let the government manage the money system. Ever.
>>533932633>. Fiat currency is an agreement held together by rules and enforced with violenceI havent ignored anything. I disputed why all of those doesn't make fiat scarce or valuable. It's just an enforcement of using someone's paper money or else. This is the opposite of valuable. It's coercion.
>>533932606And so do you. Funny, you are acting exactly like 'them' in this manner while telling yourself you are their intelligent better
>>533932458It's almost like human society is just a shared conceit than a law of the universe
>>533932781What the fuck is your intention here, britfag?
>>533930145All currency is fake and runs entirely, literally, on the pure FAITH that it works. It's not like gold or silver coins or something like that. The jew command center can easily just print out more money if needed. It's infinite, it's inherently worthless and given value only and exclusively because we all LARP like it does. Modern human society is just one big roleplay of collective insanity.
>>533932846That's the problem with it. The system becomes nepotism in economic form. Except you or I hold no relation to the families that own these banks. Globalizing everything only means "only my family and friends get benefits, everyone else are slaves."It'll be one thing if the loans were given out to support the community and the growth of the society, but as we have already seen, the system encourages waste and laziness.After all "let the goy deal in the real world" - Epstein
>>533932917That you're not smart or profound in this 'realization' that money is only valuable because people are willing to trade valuable things for it? No shit dude, everyone obviously only values money because of thatEven when money was gold and silver coins it was basically the same. 'oh but its le precious metal that doesn't tarnish and has all these industrial uses' what use was that for someone who just wanted to use it to have food or a house or clothes, your pile of pretty discs was about as useful on a desert island as a stack of cash would be, fuckall
>>533933261Difference is that gold and silver can't be printed, dumbass
>>533932943Any currency going back to antiquity relied on people having faith that it is valuable
>>533933368So? Why does that matter? Oh because we agree it does.
>>533930145The paper and the numbers are not fundamentally the issue. The problem is the private banks are allowed to do what is effectively counterfeiting. They create money from nothing, then charge you interest on said counterfeit money. In a properly managed monetary system only the government would be permitted to issue money, and only as needed to prevent deflation.
Why can't browns understand abstract concepts?
>>533933538You dumb motherfucker. I'm pretty damn sure no agreement will make gold and silver sprout into existence. This is why people like you are dumb npcs. Sometimes you deserve to be taken advantage of
>>533933605And why does it matter that we can't make it spring into existence? Again, because we agree it does, just like we agree the cash has value.
>>533933710Im going to stop talking to you
>>533933752I accept your concession.
>>533930530Every transaction is a debt, the debt is just usually settled right then and there. When the grocery store scans your items you have a debt to them that you pay off at the counter.
>>533934168>the debt is just usually settled right then and thereTechnically not with credit/ debit. Yes with cash, though I'd argue since it's all fake anyway, the debt is never settled cause every bill is a promise.
>>533933261Gold and silver will always be valuable. You can go back in time to any point in recorded history and use it to buy goods and services. If you time travelled to ancient Egypt, pointed at a merchant’s bushel of grain and handed him a chunk of gold you could complete the exchange. There’s a lot of ideas as to why this is the case, but ultimately the proof that it’s true is that gold and silver has survived every economic collapse, upheaval, and subsequent stabilization phase as a store of value. They’re proven as money across time and selection pressure, the ultimate store of value in a truly Darwinian sense. This is true globally since as far back as you can possibly check. My personal opinion is that it retains value as a hedge because it is the only class of material that not only meets all the requirements of acting as a currency, but also have the unique property of being metals that are hoard-able indefinitely that any level of cottage industry can use to produce everlasting luxury goods, a market that always exists no matter what state of stability or upheaval society is currently in at a given time.
>>533931411In the USA you still legally owe taxes for any trade or bartering. Even gifts over a certain amount are taxed. Fuck this shit...
>>533935435But cant you just never document them?
