Has /pol/ read the most important social sciences paper of the past several years?https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/politics-and-the-life-sciences/article/toward-individualistic-reproduction-solving-the-fertility-crisis-could-require-a-further-marginalization-of-men/F26A4750B666344157278B72CFC5D223It basically proves that gender equality is largely behind the fall in western birth rates. The bottom ⅓rd of men have either one or zero sex partners, while the top 1% have nearly 300. 58% of women's sexual partnerships are with the top 10% of men. But these pairings are almost always brief and infertile. Women will absolutely NOT 'settle' for less-desirable men anymore. The solution proposed by the authors is to improve fertility technology and social incentives so that more women can become single moms.Menbros... it's ogre.
>>533934390dont caresociety failed me, why should i put an effort to fix it?
>>533934390and even if youre in the top 20% youre not guaranteed to be happyshallow hedonistic sex isnt that great
>>533934510Well the study says we need to marginalize you more and then the females will be free to choose
Just build baby farms and use crispr to make the babies all white. Problem solved.
>>533934510You shouldn't, normies are your enemies.Normals are like the goyim are for jews, you should have zero qualms when dealing with them.Dispense justice as you see fit
>>533934390>80-20 rule proven trueLol
>>533934600that will never work, children raised by single moms will never be able to maintain society
>>533934390>>533934600I like that the authors put their names on it. Since, you know, they have addresses.
>>533934390Don't make me tap the sign.Also, fuck this. How the fuck is it legal to propose this with your full name. We have to hide on /pol/ to even have discussions above 95iq and they can just call for mass euthanasia as their career.The opposite isn't impossible either, just force women to bear children with the best eggs (not theirs). And it may be even more eugenicFuck the white race bro, good for nothing simps in the lookout for ways to cripple themselves
>>533934600>While it might be uncomfortable, it is crucial to acknowledge that female emancipation required a return to the marginalization of the least sought-after men. Male marginalization, here, denotes the exclusion of men from pair-bonding and reproduction. Since the First Sexual Revolution around 1200 had imposed lifelong monogamy, Westerners had lived in societies with exceptionally strong pair-bonding egalitarianism. A high proportion of men could secure a mate, which had not been common for our species.>Reverting to such stark mating inequality may feel inappropriate to contemporary sensibilities. However, in the pop-cultural discourse surrounding the mating crisis, some have expressed strong intuitions for why female emancipation has cost some men dearly. A widely circulated meme distilled this view memorably: “The real reason we have a male loneliness epidemic is because marriage was DEI for men”
>>533934979>When women struggle to secure a long-term partner in their twenties, they have their reproductive window shortened and many end up childless (Saarela & Skirbekk, Reference Saarela and Skirbekk2020; Stone, Reference Stone2022).Its actually an incel article but masked as a pro-women one. It literally straight up says we are about to go extinct and the best we can do is be happy and let it happen
>>533934390Women won’t ever have babies as long as they’re all on the pill. You need to ban the pill and children will be conceived again naturally like they used to.Ban birth control.
>>533934707Yep. Blacks live in the matriarchy and it’s a failed society.
>>533935081>>533935030Read that again and tell me it's not written out of pure spite. It comes off as an incel article, because incel realism is real and everyone else is living in a disney channel sitcom
>>533935297To be honest with you, i wouldn't put any stock in what this nigger is saying>We then use these insights into human mating psychology to analyze men’s and women’s behavior on dating apps and in other mating contexts.So in other words they are using dating apps information which as we've already established isn't reality, the amount of women in dating apps is tiny compared to the total population, this article is just reaching the same conclusions r9k did many years ago because it is using the same poisoned set of data.Truth is no one knows what "Real" reality looks like, everyone is just a retard trying to guess at it.Anyways
>>533934390Solution to birthrates is demographic conscription.At 18 women are conscripted to barracks and stay there until they give birth to at least 3 children.First country to introduce this will win 21st century.
>>533935563Thank you imma log off
>>533934390Sweet, I’m average.
Manosphere people were saying this exact thing 10 fucking years ago, and nobody listened. Now it's proved scientifically.Like why don't scientists and government officials listen when there's a popular consensus around something? People notice this shit.
>>533935563>Truth is no one knows what "Real" reality looks likeReality is society needs to implement extraordinary measure right now. After 20 years it would be to late to do anything.Extinction level event incoming
>>533935563>Truth is no one knows what "Real" reality looks likeBirth rates tanking.Marriage rates tanking.Sure, but we don’t know what reality looks like.
>>533934390>taking post smith mundt modernization act 'studies' seriously
>>533935725No problem bro, do not allow jews to demoralize you.Whenever you read an academic article always keep in mind that the people who write them are 95% LOSERS and they want to project their problems on the rest of society, this is true for literally every single intellectual that has ever written anything.
>>533934979The authors are just the messengers. This is published in one of the biggest social sciences journals in the world, which means it probably represents one of the approaches being considered by the elites.
>>533935777>>533935796Listen to me niggers, you have to save yourself first, normies are simply cattle meant to go extinct, we have produced them because they are useful and we can re-create them again in the future if we happen to have need of them, for the current moment you should worry about solving your own issues since NO ONE ELSE will come to solve them for you.Fight, struggle, win. Your battles might be tiny in the greater scheme of things but this is what is under our power to change.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knOXppaqBYY&list=RDlSWMDgzHAqM&index=10Ecstatic Vibrations, Totally Transcendent
>>533935837>represents one of the approaches being considered by the elites.Dead on arrival.Women aren't gonna become single mothers with two kids en masse. Neither Chads women fuck are gonna conceive dozens kids In current legal environment regarding child support.
>>533935909>normies are simply cattle meant to go extinct,They are gonna drag everyone with them. Do you think incoming generation of pensioners and old oligarchy are gonna reduce their appetite? No they would just tighten tax etc nose against poor man who will need to support 3-5 depended persons. Until everything collapses.
>>533935909>Society might be shit but don’t worry and be selfishWhy is every jew like this?
>>533936131>They are gonna drag everyone with them.Yes... Things will get worse for the normies because they cannot see the future but that isn't our problem, that is their problem.First you save yourself and only afterwards can you start thinking about anyone else, if you cannot save yourself then you can't save anyone else.Find a solution.>>533936207Wanna know the truth? Society was always trash and shit, it is people like us that transformed the disgusting plebeian normies into people worth a damn, the cycles of normie culling are a part of nature, they are purged over and over again because their existence is unnatural, they are not like us, real humans have souls, normies do not have souls and nature is trying to kill them continuously for this reason. They exist because we have made them exist and keep them existing.If you allow the normie cattle to drag you down you will drown in the same shit they will drown in, do not bind your fate to theirs.
>>533934390Having 1 sexual partner is great though when it's your wife
>>533934390I've had 3 gfs and hooked up with a bunch of chicks before COVID.Last gf broke up with me and gave me the>I'm too young to settle down >I want to travel and get established in my career first>Having kids means your life is overSpeech.We were both 25. All my female friends agreed with her and told me >of course 25 is too young to settle down you should focus on having fun in your 20'sThe majority of women think like that. I'm in my 30's now and not really interested in women my age who "had their fun" (with other guys) and want to rush into having a buzzer-beater babyAnd don't even get my started on the vax...tl;Dr it's literally over
>>533936475Gay
>>533934707Britbongs are fucking retarded
>>533936663Single and unfucked
>>533936717I'm Gen X, i'm easily over the top 1%.
>>533936131Just toss them scraps and let Haitians beat them to death. it's not that fucking hard.
>>533934390And all the guys I know who did have kids (save one who moved to Russia and married a Russian girl) are totally domesticated and pussy whipped by their wives. Sad state of affairs
>>533935030>>533934390This is the most spite filled emotional language study I have ever seen. This is incel shit for women.
>>533936379Nope. Society was fine before jews invented feminism, birth control and indoctrinated women with hate on jewish apps 24/7.
Can someone please explain to me why the millennial and boomer women in my family seethe when I tell them that I'm not interested in dating, marriage, or having children? I try to explain my reasoning by mentioning current societal issues and divorce trends but they won't listen, instead they spout the same ‘counterarguments’ over and over:>You can't have an opinion on dating because you've never experienced it.>It's not all women.>So what, you plan to be a bachelor your whole life?>So I won't become a grandmother?>Who will take care of you when you're older?>I’m sure you'll change your mind, [insert name of cousin here] got married last year.>Are you gay?>Statistics aren’t real life.>Do you hate women or something?>You just have to meet the right girl.>What about the family name?>YOU'RE SELFISH REEEEEIt’s as if they can’t fathom the fact that I will be alone and celibate my whole life. Does this scare them? It's exhausting having these conversations at every family gathering, and I have a cousin’s wedding to attend next month. You should see the look on their faces when I say that I do not want to get trapped into paying child support or alimony when the marriage inevitably fails. I've seen so many people that I know get cheated on and their lives are subsequently upended by their whore girlfriends and wives. It's truly an epidemic. And on top of all of that, there’s a growing STD problem with people lying or not reporting their infections (HIV, HPV, Hepatitis, Herpes, Trichomoniasis, Ureaplasma, etc) and knowingly spreading it to other people. I just can’t trust people, least of all women, so forgive me if I don't want to participate in this humiliation ritual.
>>533937022I want to think like this but I am terrified of no one being there to care for me in my elderly years if I make it there
>>533937172>I am terrified of no one being there to care for me in my elderly years if I make it thereDon't be, anon. There are so many people who've had kids and they still end up in nursing homes. If I start noticing any decline in my old age, I'll probably kiss a shotgun. My grandfather suffered in his old age, and I do not want to go through that.
>>533934390>The solution proposed by the authors is to improve fertility technology and social incentives so that more women can become single moms.It's right there in their own data, The only solution to the fertility crisis is to remove women's rights. There is no other solution.
>>533934979>Also, fuck this. How the fuck is it legal to propose this with your full name. We have to hide on /pol/ to even have discussions above 95iq and they can just call for mass euthanasia as their career.because this is the lead up to mass societal violence, like gommunists being lynched in the post-soiviet eastern euro countries.They spend all their time trying to panopticon you, and then lose to a mob hunting them in the streets. Every time.
>>533935837guess the jews are going to get 111thed then
Women having this degree of freedom is unironically jeapordizing the survival of our entire civilization. Just so they can get rugpulled by chad for the 374th time.
>>533937703>>533937682>Because no cultural change that sabotages reproduction can endure, the most crucial part remains: finding a way to combine having free women with sufficient reproduction. This is obligatory if we are to secure the future of our gender-equal communities. If we fail, feminism risks becoming one of humanity’s gravest mistakes: a noble project of emancipation that unwittingly dooms history’s most advanced civilization to demographic extinction. We therefore suggest that experiments which provide greater economic and social support for single parents, like those explored in this article, should be a high priority not only for societies facing low fertility, but also for feminists. However daunting and difficult this challenge may be to fully understand, it must be confronted if female emancipation is to remain a viable civilizational project.>>533937007You are delusional and or autistic.
>>533934531It's still better than no sex at all>t. "late bloomer" who was an incel in his early 20s
>>533936900>actually chud, fat chicks DESERVE chad, you're just a loser!The funny thing isif this was trueI wouldn't have had multiple divorcees trying to get with me, a "loser" in their parlance for not being drunk party sports bro in highschool.Women fall for the strong women shit and then try to betabux guys, every time. Because women are the actual losers.
>>533934390KEK not even science thinks you guys will ever have a wife. Instead it's now about whether women are single and childless or single with a kid LMAO
>>533934390The solution is simple.inferior men must accept that their partners will not have their children. inferior men must accept raising another man's child.Also, the inferior man must accept that in order to have sex with their partner, they will need to pay for it.In fact, inferior men will probably have to pay their partner money just to stay with them.This payment system also frees him from divorce rape so it isn't all bad. But if she leaves he'll still need to pay some child support.
>58% of women's sexual partnerships are with the top 10% of men. But these pairings are almost always brief and infertile.That dynamic is as far from ending in a nuclear family -- much less, the 3.0 offspring now required to correct the rot -- as masturbation is.One-night stands, casual sex, degeneracy et al. have zero correlation to reproduction, and simply because those dynamics are nothing more than pleasure-seeking vices like masturbation and eating decadent foods. Outside of orthodox religious groups, a female having sex and her conceiving, have zero correlation. That, and a simple "survey" that could well be inaccurate -- keeping in mind that the age bracket of respondents has to be those who can reasonably reproduce, which happens to be the same subset that will most likely provide false information -- is far too superficial a metric to rely upon -- see: the 'reliability' of political polls.The reality is, because Jewish feminism has brainwashed females into believing that motherhood is optional, and even if she does reproduce, it "can wait" into a period of life where the she has precipitously waning fecundity, and often too late to create a replacement rate satisfying litter -- 3.0 today; increasing in proportion to population decline -- it does not matter how much semen males sow, because it is the female brain that is the issue. We are at a juncture where interventive policies need to be implemented to arrest a decline that is reaching terminal velocity:1. STIGMATISE MOTHERLESS FEMALES, such that being a mother is again seen as a laudable life choice that should be pursued by default.2. MOTIVATE EARLY MOTHERHOOD that precedes career desires -- examples: - monetary rewards for early (up to 25 years) motherhood, such as tax cuts, handouts, concessions - education related incentives for adult female students (rebates, less strict course completion deadlines etc.) - employer bonuses for taking on adult females who are mothers>[...]
Ive gor a wife and three kids. We are both over six feet tall and aryan stock.Zero support from anyone. Denied food stamps and medicaid no one will hire me ect.Worst thing I can do is have more I guess
>>533937787Eventually we will burn them.
>>533937787>the most crucial part remains: finding a way to combine having free women with sufficient reproduction. This is obligatory if we are to secure the future of our gender-equal communities. If we fail, feminism risks becoming one of humanity’s gravest mistakes: a noble project of emancipation that unwittingly dooms history’s most advanced civilization to demographic extinction.Yeah, they don't want to fix it. Women and their simps would rather let our civilization collapse and technology backslide so we never escape this planet and are eventually doomed for extinction, than dare tell women "NO." The civilizations that replace us will be low IQ and violent, and they won't have the supply of fossil fuels we had, so if they ever evolve they will lack the resources to colonize space.
> "The bottom ⅓rd of men have either one or zero sex partners"Hey stupid that's not what the chart says, it says 2.8 % are 0-32th at 1 to zero. 24 % at 7 or less
>>533938173Only if all the normie cattle goes extinct first. In which case i will happily join you just as we did in prehistoric times when our tribes exterminated pretty most of the others.
No pussy no work
>>533938210No; that's the portion of female sexual encounters with the bottom third of men. The bottom third of men get a 2.8% crumb of pussy to share amongst themselves, which means the median guy in that bracket has 1 partner total.>>533938040'Gender equality' seems rather directly correlated to lower birth rates.
>>533935754The governments, media and women get to have more power when they force you to believe in lies.See you next week when we get more headlines on how every man is a rapist and how women want to really hard find the right one on their level in monogamy but it just doesn't work out.
>>533938187I think we'll be fine, just learn to do everything on your own. We don't need them, they DO need us.
>>533938040Women should not be eligible for any college grants or subsidized loans until after they are married and had their third child and that kid is at least 5 years old. The earlier they find a husband and start having kids (when they are still fertile), the earlier they can get a free ride to college.
>>533934390We are so unbelievably fucked.Their solution is basically systemic single Parenthood, going so far as to unironically invoke artificial wombs.But that too has so many flaws and problems that it boggles the mind when you look at it for more than one second.
>>533934723that was my impulse as well.
>>533938627We are decades way from artificial wombs. Women have not evolved fast enough to keep up with our culture of delaying marriage/childbirth. Instead their solution is to double down on what's not working and hope for a technological miracle. But even when we get artificial wombs so old eggless cunts can have a child, they still won't have enough to be above replacement, and children raised by single moms have many more problems than children of two parent homes, and it's not just an income issue.
This reeks of pseudoscience because it's totally unwilling to abandon the presumption that feminism is "right." It's a foundation of their moral reality and they can't abandon it so they take any data they gather and try to distort it into supporting that worldview. Take their conclusion that they need to not empower men, they need to marginalize them more. When you're a religious zealot, the solution is always more of your religion. And that's exactly what they are doing here.>>533938633
>>533937787Equality is when women have everything and men have nothing.
>>533934723You have not visited one address and you never will in your lifetime.
>>533938857with the theoretical "artifical wombs" you can turn it around and write the same about men.That instead of being a single childless man you should become a single father.
>>533938857Equality is just a fancy way of saying that everyone will be a slave who owns nothing and will die alone.Anyways, don't sweat it guys, i promise it gets better, the people writing this shit are 10 years behind us.
>We therefore suggest that experiments which provide greater economic and social support for single parents, like those explored in this article, should be a high priority not only for societies facing low fertility, but also for feminists. However daunting and difficult this challenge may be to fully understand, it must be confronted if female emancipation is to remain a viable civilizational project.>However daunting and difficult this challenge may be to fully understand, it must be confronted if female emancipation is to remain a viable civilizational project.>must be confronted if female emancipation is to remain a viable civilizational project.>if female emancipation is to remain a viable civilizational project.I mean, this is canary in the coalmine language. It says that unless a solution is found soon, it spells THE END of female emancipation. This means it will be the end of it globally because its pioneers and exporters and engines will mostly be gone from this world. Female emancipation under such circumstances will be a small chapter in a work of history in the future, a momentary craze that brought down the most advanced civilization that had ever existed.
>>533937682>The only solution to the fertility crisis is to remove women's rights.>>533934390>social incentives so that more women can become single moms.This. Pretty sure giving women money has been tried before and it didn't work.
>>533939035Why do you think no matriarchal society has endured? It either dies out or is conquered by more vital masculine societies. We're not any different. The problem with this one is the matriarchal ideas are so deeply indoctrinated into the current people that it would take an entire new generation for any real change to happen. They will NOT let go of the most toxic feminism because their entire foundation myth is based on le evil men oppressing women at all times and the only justice is to make men suffer now. They CAN'T let it go it's who they are.
>>533939035>We therefore suggest that experiments which provide greater economic and social support for single parentsSo basically institutionalized cuck holding.
They can't get the caged beasts of burden to reproduce and they enraged that they even have to make the attempt. It's the same language/reaction someone would have if their vacuum cleaner said it was too depressed to work.
>>533939035Yeah, they're just now giving themselves the slight permission to even hint at it.Thought this was elegantly put, and shocking to seen stated so plainly in modern academia what has been obvious to "mysogynists" for more than a decade.>feminism risks becoming one of humanity’s gravest mistakes: a noble project of emancipation that unwittingly dooms history’s most advanced civilization to demographic extinction
>>533939388They're DECADES behind but finally people are starting to notice that importing infinite jeets and niggers won't solve the birth rate problem. But the ship won't be turned around western civilization chose its path before most of us were born and we will crash on those rocks. They won't do anything and nothing will happen because the most smug, arrogant faggots that have ever existed would be required to admit that they were wrong. And we all know that won't happen.
>>533937022how many times have you posted this before?
>>533937022its very simple nigger, you saying these things makes them have to think about their choices in life which in reality they didnt choose these things, the things chose them. these commoners just did things because other commoners did the same with the origin being the tv. now here you come wanting to have a conversation after the fact that more than half their life is gone and ur attempting to have probably their first adult conversation in their lives
>>533934390The end is near. Finally.
>>5339380403. DE-STIGMATISE RESPONSIBLE ALCOHOL CONSUMPTION AS A SOCIAL LUBRICANT -- uncomfortable as it might be, the lowered inhibitions that alcohol imbues, accounts for significant portion of what eventually turn into families.4. MOTIVATE FATHERHOOD - exemption from military service - tax breaks and higher minimum wage thresholds - end no-fault divorce - custody disputes treated on a purely objective basis - a suite of concessions for providing fathers time to their raise kids5. COME DOWN HARD ON DATING APPS, so that people seek other means by which to "hook up" - tax the sites into making them more costly to run and join - mandatory identification via legal documentation -- cannot just "join" with an e-mail and subscription fee (more like opening a bank account) - limitations on how many profiles can be viewed and interacted with per diem -- analogy: limiting bot trades on the stock market, to better ensure system stability - categorise lewd imagery as pornography (see 7.)6. INCENTIVISE INVESTMENT INTO SOCIAL VENUES, to provide the nodes required for people to meet outside of the warped e-biome - government loans and tax breaks - focus on policing and safety -- addressing the anti-social "N-factor" that killed nightclub culture7. CLAMP DOWN ON PORNOGRAPHY - regulate it like drugs are, because it can be just as addictive - hit porn proxies, like "streamers", webcam sites, and dating apps -- the obvious surrogates for degeneracy promotion and pervasion - mandatory education on the inimical effects of porn8. SOCIALISE FERTILITY TREATMENT -- effectively, make it free.9. REDUCE AND REVESE THIRD WORLD INTRUSION - diminished societal cohesion makes indigenous people become recluses - loss of employment opportunities removes the mean$ to reproduce10. STOP USING FEAR TO MOTIVATE -- be it "global warming", wars, or scamdemic psy-ops, if people are scared, they will not breed.
>>533939619This. Based and truthpilled
>>53393885698% of social science is just p-hacked statistics used to justify whatever degree of cope you're currently on.Marriage is the foundation of human civilization. Pre-marriage humanity lasted tens of thousands of years with basically no accomplishment more complex than a sharp rock. A society with no marriage will eventually result in us returning to the same, since female mate selection has taken hold human IQ has began declining again across the world even controlling for mass immigration to the west. The IQ decline was recorded in Iceland 100 years ago and it has been getting progressively worse with each generation. Female reproductive delusion is a real phenomenon and this proves it. Imagine believing that the bottom 80% of men will just sit back and accept paying taxes into letting the top 20% do all of the reproducing. They don't understand how little a man with no ambition needs to live. I could be well below the poverty line and be doing fine, I only sit above it because I found a way to be a tax parasite. I would NEVER work a productive job in this society. >>533937975Social science has about as much validity as incel rants on the internet. And this article agrees with the central incel thesis, it just chooses a different way to interpret it.
>>533939035Single motherhood (aka the matriarchy) as proposed in the article is not an option. Black people in the US prove that such a society wouldn not work on it’s own. These black single moms only exist because white and asian men pay for them with their taxes. The kids they produce are not able to maintain a functioning society. They commit more crime and achieve less than children from "patriarchal", traditional homes.The future belongs to those who control their women.There is only one solution and it’s not complicated:- ban birth control- ban dating apps- control feminist propaganda on social media
>>533934390About 12 years ago I told a feminist professor that the next big folly of her ideology is going to be trying to use the state to codify single motherhood as standard and that it will be the fiscally unsustainable madness that finally causes the collapse of the neo-Marxist state.
>>533939640>liberalism can still work if we just XYZNope. Can't fix a gaping wound with a band aid, you throw everything out and start over or you accept the impending death of every western society. Frankly, what we know as "western culture" should be destroyed if we expect western people to have a future.
>>533939592Well said. I'm pretty well resigned to it knowing that technological advancement will be largely maintained by an ethnocentric China that will have no problem putting women in camps in the coming decades as need arises; also knowing that liberalism will be written large on the gravestone of Western Civilization for all of history and so hopefully dies with us
>>533934390>partnershipsLmfao. These roastie whores are getting pumped and dumped by chad. There's no commitment/partnership involved
>>533939730Female empowerment means return to monke. There is no argument that is able to contradict this. Western nations are declining in every single quality of life metric including IQ. They're even getting shorter.
>>533934390>1970ah the end of the pedo years? or rampening up?
>>533937172>>533937404Yeah I'll just check out a bit early if I start having too many health problems in old age.Fear of that isn't a great reason to have kids because there's no garuntee they'll take care of you when the time comes.What DOES bother me is I'm going to inherit +$2 million when my parents die assuming the real estate market doesn't crash.If I die without any children then the government will just take that money and give it to single mothers and Indians. I guess I could spend it all or make arrangements to give it to a worthy charity but it would be better to have a child of my own to pass it on to.
>>533935081That won't happen. The state of affairs exists because most countries in the world are controlled by essentially feminist regimes. Population collapse will end the social structures that explicitly exist to engineer the "independent female."
>>533938393>Women should not be eligible for any college grants or subsidized loans until after they are married and had their third child and that kid is at least 5 years old.That's the general idea... However, those ideas are obviously too punitive and would just get flushed into the (((legal system))) Tophet as such. They measures have to be meaningful and congenial, or they will never pass into legislation.>loan incentives if already partnered; much more so if a mother>the more children she has, the better the incentives become>post-graduate employment guarantees for mothers -- e. g., public service sector positions>stay-at-home father incentives for couples where the mother undertakes studyThe measures need to be forceful; but, they have to be calibrated in relation to a feminist kike infested legal system that will be bent on ensuring the decline to extinction of the gentile race continues unabated.
>>533938334A reminder that a lot of those European numbers are boosted by the breeding of immigrants from brown and black countries so the real numbers about people who are organically part of the Western civilization are even lower and far below replacement level.
>>533939640>>533940193Mayli got happily married
>>533940193I agree with you. The current ruling system is devoting more and more resources to maintaining its own power and ideology as things collapse. It will only get more tyrannical as things decline. Anyone talking about actual, workable solutions will be ostracized, ridiculed, and eventually imprisoned.
>>533940193God I want to sens this pic to my feminist GF..
>>533940193Stop posting those fucking images, it's gross. You're the same mother fuckers that ruin domination pmvs with your grossness. It's like people who save pictures of Indians or black people. What the fuck is wrong with you
>>533934390Yes hopefully it is. Accelerate.
>>533934510You're completely right.One day I'll just die so I won't waste my only single life trying to fix a society that made my childhood, teen and early adulthood years a fucking hell.
>>533934390And they expect men to provide this and defend it?They expect sons raised by single mothers on welfare not to be the thugs, misogynists and rapists they statistically are?
>>533940193I don't think the system can be reformed from within.Only way things change is a total collapse of the government and bureaucracy and circulation of the elite. Or an actual strongman dictator like Hitler or Lenin taking power and purging thousands of judges, politicians, bureaucrats, etc.We're at what Spengler called the "Caesarism" stage of decaying democracies.
>>533939204True, ideological change is very difficult to achieve at this point. A lot of women will screech irrationally and oppose any change even if it wouldn't limit their freedoms drastically but would just bind them to a project that enables the replication of the kind of society that they themselves have grown in. As they will irrationally oppose everything and as too many men have been subjugated to the matriarchy the only solution to save this civilization is technological. But it seems unlikely to work, and in the end the collapse comes like clockwork and eventually future generations of women can only seethe at the irrationality of previous generations of women for their failure to make any concessions to preserve the paradise of rights and liberties they had.
>>533934390Do this and men are going to start raping and killing
>>533940010>you throw everything out and start over or you accept the impending death of every western societySo, all roads lead to civil wars, which (((they))) will then invariably transition into a World War? That's no solution; it's giving up, and needs no deliberation or brainstorming beyond spoiling for the chaos of conflict... Which, suffice to state, would never get out of the shit-posting phase, because it would be intercepted by techno-kike data and A. I., then immediately quashed by ZOGbots, and before it ever reached even a training stage of development.An armed uprising had to occur BEFORE millions of turdies were flooded in, and BEFORE the kikes had the technological panopticon in place to nip in bud any whimper of a gentile survival effort.
>>533934390i’ve had sex with over 200 women and there’s no way i’m in the top 10% of men. i’m a 40 year old manlet with a nice face and i’m white, that’s all i’ve got going for me. women are whores and you just need to get them drunk if you want to fuck them
>>533940423That wouldn’t rage bait her like you seem to think.Women like to be fucked like that, even the feminist ones.They’d never admit it but the most extreme porn is consumed by women.It’s only gross to you.
They went straight for the pain clinic
>>533940735I'm also an 8 foot millionaire model with a boat bigger than jeff bezos. But seriously why do one of these faggots show up to every single thread where birth rates are concerned and post some fake bragging about personal success that is totally irrelevant to discussion? Is it a botting script?
>>533940471Humans are long past being fixable by way of the scalpel... It's sledgehammer time!
>>533939640You propose all these policies but how can you change this generation of women? Their attitudes are anti-man, anti-motherhood, anti-responsibility and a lot of them are ran through AND overweight.Getting rid of no-fault divorce is good but if the majority of women are not fit to be wives and mothers that doesn't fix the problem
>>533934390/pol/ already knew all that.
>>533940515Even if their implementation seems to work for a single generation it is fake. Just showing the seeds of collapse. Sex equality is a fake construct forced upon society by a degenerated upper class. It marginalizes males to advantage females at every turn while expecting men to keep the system propped up. It is obviously not sustainable.
>>533935164Matriarchies are miserable for everyone. With ants or bees, you have men working 24/7 and the workers usually are not the breeders (the alphas).So you literally have men doing nothing except fucking while other men do nothing except work. Lmao.
>>533935777>Extinction level event incomingCh-Ch-Checked
>>533941430Black matriarchies in the western world stop existing the split second the gibs stop flowing. They're worse than a failed society, they're an abominable parasitic construct.
>>533941526I guess my example holds true in the transition from a normal society into a matriarchy then. But niggers may be an exception no matter what, they are matriarchal out of stupidity and muh dick not because the women are plotting or anything.
>>533940909There isn't a political solution. The countries are completely controlled by the mentally and morally degenerated upper class and feminism is their ideology that they force on everyone else. Communists are in lockstep with them. They will not stop, only double down until the system collapses. Quality of life will decline until marginalized young men, with nothing to lose in a corrupt feminist state with no future, overthrow the feminist regime. I would call them an Iron Generation.
>>533940590>Only way things change is a total collapse of the government and bureaucracy and circulation of the elite.That will never, ever happen; and for the rather obvious reason that they have fail-safes in place which can be escalated all the way up to WWIII. Why do you think that the nouveau riche all build bunkers in the Shire -- because they trust you not to gut them if the system were to fail outright...?Did you ever read that article from a supposed investor consultant to the elite -- someone who alleged that billionaires annually met in secret with society's brains trust, so as to mull over the state of things: from cutting edge innovations, to the state of societal stability -- wherein the leaker revealed that there were growing concerns among the upper echelon, that things were reaching critical mass; as such, they had been seeking "off-the-record" advice on how best they could avoid being strung up if things were to go Mad Max. Well, if there was any truth to that leaker's anecdote, it makes it clear that they will be ready to weather any uprising.
>>533940709No, I'm telling you that if your "solution" includes the continued existence of democracy or legally codified individual freedoms it's doomed from the start.
>>533939640Women consume more than enough alcohol for lowered inhibitions but a lot of them are on the pill so it only leads to sex, not procreation.Your dating app regulation would also have to eliminate manipulative algorithms. Cutting down on quantity of profile exposure should be accompanied by more detailed matching and elimination of vague profiles. But I don't really know all the problems of those apps since I've never used them. The algorithmic manipulation alone is horrendous. I'm not sure these apps can ever reach a point where they are a benefit to society.You do have some good ideas.>>533939872True, single mother homes do breed problems that cannot be overlooked just because some kids turn out well. >>533939927>single motherhood standard ... fiscally unsustainableHave you run any numbers? I'd like to see it if someone has done calculations about this type of thing.
I was already suicidal, thanks OPWhy did I have to be born? To live in a hostile society with no chance of sex, love, fatherhood, joy or purpose because I’m too ugly for its average woman?
>>533935805Also keep in mind that academics do not usually succeed from solving problems or being creative, they need to bulk publish piece meal shit to pad out their h-index for their promotion chances to increase. Do not trust modern scientific process
>>533941794You forgot the added bonus of being shamed and gaslighted for talking about it. If you breathe a word of doubt about the current matriarchy you're an incel and deserve to die miserable.
>>533941743It would require Heinlein ideas of tying suffrage to military service. Like suffrage for anybody in the military and also men signed up for selective service.
>>533940909>>533941657Create break-away societies, such as Orania in South Africa. Mentally, females are glorified children because their brains are evolved to raise children, and if they see other females being sober, unmedicated, and genuinely happy, they will yearn for that.If motherhood looks like a struggle, and something that is seen as a "duty", nay "achievement", it will never look "cool" enough for them to fashion their lives around. It has to be glamourised, as outfits are in fashion catalogues; and to get to that point, first, the "models" (like the aforementioned) need to be created.
>>533934390I agree with the presented suggestion, robot wives for all!
>>533937760>get rugpulled by chad for the 374th timeI Kek because it's true.
>>533934390I have been saying this for years.Yesterday made a thread about it, (small part):Next we need to rise the birth rate by rising social status of men(Feminist societies have low birth rate because women don't date low status men)1. We need to remove communists from universities.Almost 80% of college graduates are women despite majority of high IQ people being men. If we flipped this number, men would be able to attain status by getting education and we will have more competent people in positions of power(women are retards).2. Migrants compete for jobs mostly with men, so removing them means blue-collar men are no longer undercut by migration and have hihger wages, rising their status.3. We need to make Europe business friendly so that young men can become enterpreneurs. Obviously that will come at expense of the elderly, but fuck them, boomers are rich anyway and you have to prioritise the young if you want your country to have a future.
>>533934390Correlation is not causation. Learn the difference between the two, you’ll be a much happier person.
>>533942040It isn't a bad idea, but those are more like arks for the people who want to weather the collapse and already be living their lives when the reconstruction times come. PatriArks.lol
Raccoon girl showed us the future. Attractive women will sell their eggs and average men with a moderate amount of wealth can grow their own test tube daughters.
>>533934707Kid of a single mom. I’m married and have kids. How’s that having two parents working out for you?
>>533934390thank you for an interesting read, although that article is one fucking dystopic read.also they make a fundamental mistake imo: they compare women's longing for kids with men's relative longing for kids, but generally, men do not long for kids, men long for families that they are the head of, meaning they long for a woman to be loyal and then kids after that, which the article seems to be in ignorance of
>>533940735>i’ve had sex with over 200 womenThis is not civilizationally desirable whether you're in the top 10% or bottom 10%.
>>533934510this is another thing that the study doesn't address - further male marginalization risks leading to no men protecting women from other men or generating productive value enough to even sustain basic societal function, infrastructure etc.also fuck you kike.
>>533934510This, I will not contribute for a party I'm not invited to.
>>533942197Sounds like cope, hope, slathered in bullshit.
>>533942539It's the inevitable decline into disorder and banditry that has happened over and over throughout history.It may also explain why the tech panopticon is getting sped up.
>>533942654Feminist societies can't exist for too long, we either become a patriarchy or we will be replaced by one.Europe is already getting replaced by muslims. Either white men wake up and rape their women to death or we will go extinct before the end of this century and Europe will become muslim. There is no other option.
>>533941762>Have you run any numbers? I'd like to see it if someone has done calculations about this type of thing.I don’t need numbers to know that men wouldn’t work more to subsidize women having children with other men."no pussy no work"
>>533935777Good, I hope we all go extinct.
>>533942815yes. giving women what they say they want (which incidentally isn't even what they actually want) always leads to despair, collapse, implosion and chaos. funny thing how we never learn. but hey don't bother listening to me, i'm just a white man.
>>533942815>It may also explain why the tech panopticon is getting sped up.help me understand whta you mean here
>4th Sexual Revolution>Artificial womb technology; sustainable abundance from AI and robotics;>gene editing; robot nannies and partners help women and men solo parent; AI-driven mate matching;>other speculative technologies that could influence mating and reproductionFemales will simply not be good enough for the top 10% of males, eventually reaching the new stable minimum of human-gynoid relations.
>>533940735>manletLet me guess, no shorter than 5'10? There are ZERO actual manlets who have slept with that many
>>533943191Palantir, the social credit system.
>>533940193>too punitive Nah, but worrying about the jewdicial system? Legitimate, but we have more intense pressures to leverage.
>>533943275right, but i don't see the connection to the issue at hand
>>533943311oh duh i see the connection now - social credit combined with constant surveillance to prevent the collapse to banditry of course
>>533943393My understanding is that the elites are well aware of the birth rates and societal satisfaction metrics plummeting and are either unwilling or unable to address them. It's my opinion that they are unwilling. However, what they are willing to do is dump trillions into digital surveillance and social credit in an attempt to yoke the remaining goyim. Their goal isn't to lead humanity into a bright future, their goal is to be on top of the hierarchy of whatever monstrous mutt abomination results from all this.Your thinking is too white if you think they want a better world.
>>533943393Yes, the elite doesn’t or can’t fix the actual problem and rolls out the police state instead to protect itself.Every dystopic sci-fy story has this element.One example of this is my country changed it’s conscription laws starting 2026-01-01. Everybody thought it would be voluntarily and that is what was always communicated. But about two weeks ago someone actually read the new law that is in effect for months now.According to the new law, every German man has to submit an application with the conscription office if he wants to leave Germany for longer than three months now. They say it was a "mistake" that this ended up in the law, but they also don’t seem to be willing to change it back.
>>533943923It's fucking wild that they are attempting to create another Berlin Wall through paperwork instead of concrete.
>>533943810totally agree with this. there are solutions that aren't very costly and do lead to a bright future, but from decades of brainwashing women (and men), they are politically infeasible.
>>533943923yes, i've read about this. it's preparing for the collapse, a priori damage control of the implosion.sweden as well is heading for rapid collapse. it's just funny how women have whined about the inequality for so long, kikes stepping up to utilize it as a tool and reform society, and now women don't want the men who actually paid attention to what they wanted, but instead now want to import browns that have all the attributes that white men were scolded for. this is such a mess it's ridiculous.
>>533944069Well it’s not just paper because if your application would be rejected, they revoke your passport and that is digital already. So you could maybe hop over the green border still but in our digital world you are nothing anywhere without your papers and access to work permits, banking, health care etc.We’re only as free as their computer system allows us to be.
>>533934390If a paper seems like it's socially corrosive it's because it is. But this is next level.I've never read anything like this before outside of places like FDS or KKKrystal Cafe, or here for that matter. This isn't aversion to men or women or some permutation of that, it's averse to humanity. What disgusting creatures wrote this? What they propose is already being done and it makes everyone poorer, dumber, more violent, and incapable of raising their children properly.
>aving well-paying jobs, as well as generous welfare, puts females in a position evocative of what they had in our great ape ancestors’ promiscuous mating regimes: they can take care of children without the father’s help. Basically women want Chad harems where 90% of men are servile cattle/paypigs.
>>533934390It's legitimately insane this kind of research is institutionalized to the people where people call it science instead of ideology.There's such rot in the academic system, violence is basically assured at this point. I am demoralized.
>>533934390Its funny so many incels and betas are against child support laws when its basically the only thing keeping every chads from impregnating every other chick in society.
>>533944349>We’re only as free as their computer system allows us to be.And that computer system (palantir) is owned by a Jew and those chips (intel) are centered in Tel Aviv.
>>533944598The article is actually quite good and helpful for us.The analysis is very well researched and sourced. They finally came to the same facts incels talk about for a decade now.It’s worth to read the whole thing really.It’s only their proposed solution that would be a problem. Single motherhood/matriarchy wouldn’t work as seen in US black society. We know this already. If they got on the incel facts already, there is hope that they might understand that the matriarchy is doomed as well and we can push for better solutions.
>>533945075The only hope to save our civilization is to enslave women. End of story. Even the article tells you this.
>>533945158how does the article say that though?
>>533935030The irony is that marriage benefits women the most in the long term while taking a hit in the short term as young men haven't developed their capital yet.The alternative to marriage for men is just prostitution where men get to perpetually fuck young women. Marriage is essentially a retirement plan for woman as they age and their value continues to degrade while men's value keeps going up.
>>533943923pretty sure the new conscription law would be deemed invalid if you sue, since it goes against GG #11 Reisefreiheit.You could probably never use it, but if they don't use it then you can't sue either~
>>533941307It was folk wisdom. Now it's The Science™. There is an actual peer-reviewed paper from a major journal with easy-to-read graphics which can be cited specifically.
>>533934390Women have zero power. Any power they do have is because it was given to them by a man. The current situation exists because it allows men with great deals of money to limit the ability of other men to reproduce.This situation will resolve itself when not enough people are being reproduced to maintain the civilization.This also explains one of the factors of immigration.>but muh robotsi don't think you can engineer your way out of this problem. That is what western man has been trying to do for some time but it only introduces more problems.
>>533945158A traditional family is the maximum freedom for a woman. Women aren’t happy right now. We just need to change a few thins as i said already:> - No feminist social media propaganda (This is what tells women that they would be happier as single office workers)> - No birth control (People have historically never decided to have kids. They just had sex and it happed. With the pill we took that away. > - Ban dating apps (No access to unlimited pump and dump chad, women would have to look in their social circle again)All of these changes affect men and women equally. You could restore society without "enslaving" women.
>>533945075>The article is actually quite good and helpful for us.i'm not sure it's helpful. it's a great article though, it's a really interesting read, but two things thaty it misses:1. women long for babies, men generally don't (only indirectly). the article wrongly assumes that the longing is roughly equivalent and compares that, which leads to incorrect conclusions2. it misses the "other side" of the male marginalization argument, the collapse to banditry already brought up in this thread. further marginalizing men will result in societal collapse, because there will be no incentive for men to protect women from other men anymore, and no incentives to protect the country, or to care about women's rights, or to build societal infrastructurethe argument for equality is ridiculous. enslaving women probably doesn't feel nice if you're a woman, just as it wouldn't feel good to be an enslaved man - but there's a categorical difference: a society with enslaved women doesn't collapse in on itself, but a society with enslaved men turbo-collapses simply because the entire foundation of society (a civilized, non-animalistic, safe haven for humans to breed) cannot exist if men do not uphold it by force, and they're not going to if they are incentives.women without men aren't dangerous to society. they'll tops be miserable but still have access to societal foundation. men without women become aggressive, destructive and chaotic.
>>533945420>GG #11 Reisefreiheit>(2) Dieses Recht darf nur durch Gesetz oder auf Grund eines Gesetzes und nur für die Fälle eingeschränkt werden, in denen eine ausreichende Lebensgrundlage nicht vorhanden ist und der Allgemeinheit daraus besondere Lasten entstehen würden oder in denen es zur Abwehr einer drohenden Gefahr für den Bestand oder die freiheitliche demokratische Grundordnung des Bundes oder eines Landes, zur Bekämpfung von Seuchengefahr, Naturkatastrophen oder besonders schweren Unglücksfällen, zum Schutze der Jugend vor Verwahrlosung oder um strafbaren Handlungen vorzubeugen, erforderlich ist.If they don’t want you to, they wont let you leave.
The researchers posit an evolutionary perspective: in modern societies, the traditional utility of many men to "free women" (women who are economically independent) has diminished. Because traditional pair-bonding is becoming less frequent or stable, women are increasingly choosing singlehood over partners who do not meet their criteria.
>>533945619I don't even want full meme "enslavement" I only want women to fulfill their side of the societal contract. Right now women are free from holding up their end while being increasingly more punitive and oppressive making men fulfill their side.
>>533938856>This reeks of pseudoscience because it's totally unwilling to abandon the presumption that feminism is "right."that's just what all of science is now and for like the last 20 years at minimumit's belief based not evidence based, and if the evidence does not align with the beliefs it is heavily censored or yeeted outright
>>533945888right, i just compared two extremes. the core problem here is that society is taking what women are expressing at face value, but it's easy to see that women generally become unhappier if you give them what they say they want.
>>533939730>Imagine believing that the bottom 80% of men will just sit back and accept paying taxes into letting the top 20% do all of the reproducing.The problem you have is that you don't need to imagine it. You're living it and you've been living it. So they are doing that.Your response?
>>533938187>Yeah, they don't want to fix it. Women and their simps would rather let our civilization collapse and technology backslide so we never escape this planet and are eventually doomed for extinction, than dare tell women "NO." The civilizations that replace us will be low IQ and violent, and they won't have the supply of fossil fuels we had, so if they ever evolve they will lack the resources to colonize space.Concur, but I am taking care of my problems, also, if I gain enough power, could maybe mold history, most channers should maybe try to do the same.
>>533945863But it's a false assumption. These women are not truly independent. The real economy is still upheld by men. It is not women paving roads, clearing sewer blockages, and digging coal.
>>533945997>most channers should maybe try to do the same.to me, this is just feeding into the system, allowing it to skew even more in favor of women wants
>>533945619>1. women long for babies, men generally don't (only indirectly). the article wrongly assumes that the longing is roughly equivalent and compares that, which leads to incorrect conclusionsI don’t think so. I think nobody wants babies because they suck. We want to care for them once we have them because that is the evolutionary necessity. If women actually wanted babies, birthrates wouldn’t be down. Like i said, it’s birth control that every girl takes as soon as she becomes fertile. All women are sterile all the time and we wonder why nobody is having babies anymore?!>2. it misses the "other side" of the male marginalization argument, the collapse to banditry already brought up in this thread. further marginalizing men will result in societal collapse, because there will be no incentive for men to protect women from other men anymore, and no incentives to protect the country, or to care about women's rights, or to build societal infrastructureYes, the "no pussy no work" side. But i also wonder how much power we have as long as they control us through the social credit system.We don’t need to "enslave women", please see: >>533945605>women without men aren't dangerous to society. they'll tops be miserable but still have access to societal foundation. men without women become aggressive, destructive and chaotic.I agree.
>>533934390>This is a new and unique situation. I find it hard to take a paper seriously when they say things like this in relation to our current crisis of reproduction. The Roman empire also had such a collapse and went so far as to try and legislate the problem away, without much success.The crisis happens during this point in the cycle of civilization.
>>533945863>becoming less frequentit has been outright nonexistent for the past decade
>>533945984I'm a NEET who sucks up wagecuck tax dollars via medicaid :P
>>533946201yeah.. exactly
>>533942407what's it like seeing your mom sleep around with all those men who aren't your dad
>>533946125>I don’t think so. I think nobody wants babies because they suck. We want to care for them once we have them because that is the evolutionary necessity. If women actually wanted babies, birthrates wouldn’t be down. Like i said, it’s birth control that every girl takes as soon as she becomes fertile. All women are sterile all the time and we wonder why nobody is having babies anymore?!i get your point and generally agree, but women tend to have a built-in longing for babies / baby fever at some point. this doesn't really exist in men, men would likely long for a family to be the head of. what i'm trying to express is that the wants aren't one-to-one comparable for the sexes, which the article seems to ignore.>Yes, the "no pussy no work" side. But i also wonder how much power we have as long as they control us through the social credit system.right, i mean i guess theoretically you could have a tenth of a percentage of people harshly controlling everything, but that only lasts for a short while i think. not sure, hard to say.>We don’t need to "enslave women", please see: >>533945605fully agree, i was just comparing extremes to make a point. i don't want to enslave women, i however do want society to ignore women wants *on a societal level*, in favor of letting men stepping in and taking care of women needs/wants. agree that this is maximum freedom for women.
>>533940735Yeah look at your flag retard if you look white in that shithole then you’re set I swear the contributions of you brown filth is worthlessThe reason there are so many ugly people in Latin. America is because you guys fuck anything
>>533945075>It’s only their proposed solution that would be a problemYeah they had to throw a dog a bone so that they can get more of that sweet research grant money in their next projects.
>>533934390I've fucked over 100 women ama
>>533946125There’s no reason to have kids outside of religion and needing help around the house. People had lots of kids back when each household served as its own business. Children were responsible for tending the fields and livestock. Now kids are a liability when both parents are expected to wageslave 40 hours a week.
>>533934390>Has /pol/ read the most retarded social sciences paper of the past several years?fify, faggotThe shit that goes for scientific works these days.
The solution has always been to simply eradicate feminism.
>>533945419>Marriage is essentially a retirement plan for womanThink you can get a woman to understand all that within a seven second Tick Tock video?
>>533939092What if the social incentives are>have 3 kids by age of 25 or you will be free use for the disgusting incels (85% of all men)
>>533934390>solution: give women more money and powerlol we are so fucking doomed
>>533945605>A traditional family is the maximum freedom for a woman. Women aren’t happy right now. We just need to change a few thins as i said already:>> - No feminist social media propaganda (This is what tells women that they would be happier as single office workers)>> - No birth control (People have historically never decided to have kids. They just had sex and it happed. With the pill we took that away. >> - Ban dating apps (No access to unlimited pump and dump chad, women would have to look in their social circle again)>All of these changes affect men and women equally. You could restore society without "enslaving" women.on this: i think generally women shouldn't even be on the internet. i'm almost 40 and recall how women were back before they were online, it was an entirely different kind of creature. they used to be soft, humble, shy for the most part, like really cuddly soft creatures you wanted to be near. now, they're all like manlets - smaller versionf men. dominant, outgoing, aggressive, harsh. that's extremely off-putting to me.taking it one step further, maybe internet shouldn't be allowed at all for the general public, maybe it'd be better to only allow internet access at libraries, workplaces and unis. unsure.as for dating apps: agree, should be banned. allowing women on dating apps is like legalizing prostitution for men - it leads to societal collapse because it absolutely destroys the incentive structure.re. your last point of it affecting men and women equally: i agree, HOWEVER, women will perceive it as a net negative (for women) and men will perceive it as a net positive (for both men and women), which makes the necessary political endeavours impossible or at least extremely unlikely.
>>533936546>And don't even get my started on the vax...
>>533943074How historically has giving women what they want lead to societal decay/destruction? can you give me a few examples? Whenever I say this, libtards tell me to give them an example and I can't.
>>533946201Good news; Republicans fixed that loophole in the Big Beautiful Bill. You'll have to work or 'volunteer' 80 hours per month to stay on Medicaid starting in January of 2027. Of course, you could always join the military...
>>533946356>but women tend to have a built-in longing for babies / baby fever at some pointI don’t think they sit at home thinking about babies. They only want them once they’re near them. Like when a relative has one for example. But that is increasingly rare.> this doesn't really exist in men, men would likely long for a family to be the head ofHave you see how popular Pragmata is and why? I do want children, but i don’t want babies, let alone give birth. I understand women there, but that’s their duty.I think the article is correct in this, women and men both want sex and not babies. And historically sex lead to pregnancy but birth control took that away. Hence i am advocating to ban birth control. It would be fair because it affects both genders. And both would have less casual sex and treat it more as something that requires commitment.
>>533939388'Twas ever thus
>>533945419>The irony is that marriage benefits women the most in the long term while taking a hit in the short term as young men haven't developed their capital yet.>The alternative to marriage for men is just prostitution where men get to perpetually fuck young women. Marriage is essentially a retirement plan for woman as they age and their value continues to degrade while men's value keeps going up.>>533946663>>Marriage is essentially a retirement plan for woman>Think you can get a woman to understand all that within a seven second Tick Tock video?Concur, female lib solve most channers that problem, just solve your problems anon, I am in favour of womens liberation, if I want to make a family, its nothing less of impregnating and bringing to term a baby with an unvaxed chick, not only unvaxed, young, hot, nubile, fertile, and also who isnt using anticonceptives, nor going to kill the baby. Gonna creampie as many women as possible, but even then it isnt certain to have healthy descendants that they themselves will be fertile.
>>533937022>its not all women>statistics arent real life>you just have to meet the right girl whilw axioms, these holdfast in majority of instancesEverything boils down to luck, timing, qnd Will of God should you so choose to accept it and actually take the chance etc."Blessed are the wombs which never bare and the paps which never gave suck"Jesus Said this for a reason
>>533939872>the matriarchy) as proposed in the article is not an optionisnt judaism matriarchal?
>>533934640How many white women have fucked you? LOL
>>533939623indeed
>>533934390>The bottom ⅓rd of men have either one or zero sex partners, while the top 1% have nearly 300. 58% of women's sexual partnerships are with the top 10% of men. But these pairings are almost always brief and infertile.I mean... We've all known this for a long time because we have eyes. Women spend their 30s having fun and being part of Chad's harem, then when they decide it's time to get serious and have kids, since they were able to get casually fucked by Chad a bunch of times they have a warped sense of their own value. They want someone who looks like Chad, makes half a million a year, has progressive political views (gender equality except when it comes to romance - she should be treated like a queen), etc.So that's what they search for, unaware of the fact that they're a 6/10 and won't marry Chad. And because they were Chad's cumdump a bunch of times and because the media has told them that every woman is a stunning 9+/10 beauty, it never sinks it that they'll never find what they want.And then when they've nearly run out of time, they bitch and moan about how there are no good men.I didn't need a fucking academic paper to explain this to me.
>>533934662It's 80-20 OF THE 80-20... in layman's terms: 95-5This goes for ALL Civilizations... ALL.t. Historian who went to study pre-history.
>>533946965i'm not sure whether you're being facetious here. just look at where we are, mate. everything is imploding. in the name of equality between the sexes.
>>533934640>>533934600>>533934531Single moms are never around for their kids and clearly western women don't want to breed. Why not just pay the lonely men to raise artificial womb children? They have unlimited free time and many of them don't even have friends, they are perfect to raise kids. UNLESS they are promiscuous partying drug addict homosexuals, obviously they'll just rape the kids.
>>533934979That's what women want. Do YOU hate women of your own RACE?If you disagree with the EUGENIC RACIAL PURITY of YOUR WOMEN: You're a RACE TRAITOR
>>533947012>I think the article is correct in this, women and men both want sex and not babies.this i don't agree with. i don't think women and men long for sex at all from the same pov. i think men long for sex because it fulfills a feeling of conquering and sexual gratification, while women long for sex as a romantic love fantasy first and foremost.
>>533946982sigh, guess my parents will have to buy me a health insurance plan -_-
>>533940873Any thread about careers, waging or women will be flooded by faggots.
>>533935994Women would rather have that, than having YOUR children, LOL
>>533947100>>533947211>>533947290>>533947374seething hole
>>533934390death to all university scientists and pastors
>>533946047Indeed, over here they take out 3 to 5 times the resurces from the state. work less, more sick, vote for more welfare...secondly, the assumption that> raditional pair-bonding is becoming less frequent or stablealso has to do with hormonal birth control and SSRI usage, the amount of women on mind altering drugs is staggering and that's not even considering that they are all brainwashed to think their pair bonding ability isn't affected by number of sexual partners. like I said above, we need them out of education first. but second is to funnel resources over to men first instead of using the state as a proxy husband and third is definitively getting women off the drugs.
>>533947374>children would rather rather eat sugary candy till they keel over from diabetes than a carrot¯\_(ツ)_/¯
>>533934510BIBI SEND THIS GOOBER TO LEBANON
>>533946521It's only a problem because we as a society allowed women to work. Creating two income homes in mass. Which naturally changes pricing structures. The reason everything has become unaffordable in the last 2-3 decades is because everything is priced for a no kids home with a working man and wife.Which naturally is a self-reinforcing problem because it's more likely a single income family converts to a dual income family, than society as a whole rejecting the notion and holding strong.>>533947185I can't fault those women though. The same thing happens to men who watch or engage with excessive porn. Once you've experienced something extremely good, lesser experiences just can't scratch that hit anymore. Those women are literally incapable of bonding with lesser men in the same way chronic porn addicts can't get off to "normal" porn.
>>533934390may I haz some links my negro
>>533947465>Indeed, over here they take out 3 to 5 times the resurces from the state. work less, more sick, vote for more welfare...of course, this is true everywhere in the world. there's nothing wrong with that - it's how it's supposed to be. the problem is the govt extracts the money forcefully from men and gives it to women without requiring women to provide anything in return.
>>533946748>on this: i think generally women shouldn't even be on the internet. i'm almost 40 and recall how women were back before they were online, it was an entirely different kind of creature. they used to be soft, humble, shy for the most part, like really cuddly soft creatures you wanted to be near. now, they're all like manlets - smaller versionf men. dominant, outgoing, aggressive, harsh. that's extremely off-putting to me.I am the same age and know what you mean. But i also love the internet and the utility it provides. Men use the internet for many productive things and it’s just women who are addicted to scrolling TikTok feminism, dating apps and nothing else. Ban that and i am fine with them watching cooking/crafting videos on youtube.>HOWEVER, women will perceive it as a net negative (for women)Yes they will see it as "restricting their reproductive rights". But they’d still had the option to not have sex. We have to convince them that it’s worth it. Hookup culture kills society. Thinking about this, maybe we could make birth control allowed for married people. And don’t forget that there are also men who like hookup culture and want easy access to women on birth control. It’s not just women who uphold this disgusting trend.
>>533945419>>533936900>>533935297COPE.You DEI failures, your labor is worthless and your body is worthless.I love how TRUMP is fixing this country by giving DEI PARASITES what they fucking deserve!!!!!!!I voted for this (you lost, tranny): >>533946982
>>533947224so it doesnt "always happen." This is the first time it's happening.
>>533947705yeah, except byzantine empire, egypt, rome....
>>533947490>I'm healthyFuck off DEI PARASITEIf an Aryan Woman, in her RACIAL WISDOM, voted for Trump (alpha) and excluded subhumans (you), then it's up to the white race to fight for her and Trump. I hope Trump defeats Iran soon.
>>533947037it's not worth the effort, anon
>>533947652>I am the same age and know what you mean. But i also love the internet and the utility it provides. Men use the internet for many productive things and it’s just women who are addicted to scrolling TikTok feminism, dating apps and nothing else. Ban that and i am fine with them watching cooking/crafting videos on youtube.i don't mind so i'll agree with you on this, we wouldn't need to go that far to address the problem we're discussing>Yes they will see it as "restricting their reproductive rights". But they’d still had the option to not have sex. We have to convince them that it’s worth it. Hookup culture kills society. Thinking about this, maybe we could make birth control allowed for married people. And don’t forget that there are also men who like hookup culture and want easy access to women on birth control. It’s not just women who uphold this disgusting trend.absolutely agree. i don't think most men are pushing for hookup culture though, meanwhile most women are (directly, or indirectly under the guise of feminism)
>>533935796>white race doesn't need you>I hate the white raceI hope you die LOL
>>533947797it's easy to tell you're a woman just by observing your out-of-pace reactions and incoherent rambling lol
>>533947303>while women long for sex as a romantic love fantasy first and foremost.Hehe if you still think women are the romantic gender and not men go read some of their smut.Mens fantasy: He builds an empire and gets the girl. They marry, start a family and grow old.Female fantasy: She betrays that guy with the pool boy while having CNC sex while her husband is at work.
>>533945075There solution is pretty dumb since literally it just boils down to roasties having to settle for a non-Chad which they treat as some insurmountable result of our evolutionary biology that can't be helped. Its completely different from being an actual incel who just can't find a partner no matter who period, woman in western society are basically acting like spoiled children who'd rather die single than actually start a family with a non 8-10 looking guy so if thats how we go out as a society than so be it.
>>533944349>you are nothing anywhere without your papersJust do what the sandniggers do. Float on over to Britain and claim to be a refugee from Syria.
>>533947961fair point :/ you're right
>>533947948?
>>533934390>women won't settle for men that won't even talk to themI like this framing. When gen alpha considers women subhuman and won't even date them, they're actually getting pre-emptively rejected.
>>533947949You're a loser intimidated by Trump, and other great men that protected Aryan women from creepy losers. Work for your race, or get out of the way.You're probably a nigger refugee because you support DEI that lowers the value of white women.
>>533938040>>533939640>>533940193>>533940709>>533940885>>533941683>>533942040obvious well poisoning glownigger
>>533934390>The solution proposed by the authors is for those supposed less-desirable men to sacrifice more to improve fertility technology for women and give greater social incentives to women so that they can become single momsIt's as though these types of cunts are asking to be brutally beaten to death.
>>533934390I simply chose to make myself into a desirable man.
I remember when I were a kid getting excited for the new tech thing. I can’t fathom how that used to be in the 60s.Now I just get scared. It’s all so shit. When will we all get freed from this jewish nightmare? Holy shit. It just gets worse and worse. It’s so bad that the average normie is noticing.
>>533934390>laughs in taliban
>>533948003They are able to do this because our women give them the option. Will they take white refugees? (Germany is currently deporting white Ukrainian men again)
>>533947949Oh I think that Anon is just fishing
>>533934390Thanks I needed a scientifically peer reviewed paper to tell me what I knew decades ago. Right on, man.
>>533936379>people like usEvery girl INSTINCTIVELY wants a real man, not your kind.There's a reason great men like Trump have EUGENIC children, and you have nothing. You deserve to have nothing. There's NOTHING you can do to white women, ever.
>>533934390Men will just avoid women and opt for surrogacy. Who wants a loaded gun pointed at your head during "marriage". Women are simply a liability.
>>533936546I trust the wisdom of the ARYAN WOMAN, not some POOJEET that's been rejected. Racially superior people have children, dysgenic PARASITES have rules for women's sexuality.
>We need to have mass state intervention and welfare programs for single mothers and alienate even more men from ever being in relationships instead of just admitting western woman are delusional narcissist who have to date someone in their own league if they want to have an actual family The solutions proposed in this article is so fucked lmao.
>>533935030love how every time there's something that hurts women, it is wrong and needs to be rectified.but when it's something that hurts men, it's 'just the way it is' and men aren't entitled to a better life and they just need to get used to being miserable
