Previous: >>533942192Day 1,524 – Daily assessment: understandingwar.org/analysis/russia-ukraine/#research▶Latest>three ships and a Mig-31 droned in crimea>Russia’s economy minister admits ‘reserves have largely been used up’ while communist lawmaker warns of 1917-style revolution as GDP shrinks>193 Ukrainian soldiers are returning home as part of the prisoners swap with russia>EU's €90bn loan for Ukraine and the 20th sanctions package against russia formally approved>Drone forces destroyed the command post and rear deployment point of the FSB’s Directorate of Mobile Operations in the temporarily occupied Donetsk.>russian communist party gen. sec. Zyuganov predicts total collapse of the so-called the federation on the russia by August 2026 under current trajectory>US is now using Ukrainian anti-drone equipment to defend their bases - Reuters>Ukraine has repaired the section of the Druzhba oil pipeline damaged by russian shelling>Smoooking accident at the Tuapse refinery>Smoooking accident at the Fosagro chemical plant in Cherepovets>Szijjártó (orbán's FM) has barricaded himself with some of his closest colleagues and is shredding documents related to the sanctions on russia and any other evidence of treason>Hungarian PM candidate Magyar talks of 'pragmatic' ties with moscow but clearly sides with Ukraine on war: russia is the aggressor in the war, Ukraine has the right for self determination, Ukraine's territorial integrity must be respected, etc., he is happy with the €90bn Ukraine deal as agreed in December last year (which included an opt-out for Hungary)▶Telegramrentry.org/telosint2023t.me/ukr_pics▶Intelt.me/DeepStateENodin.tradoc.army.mil/WEG (equipment explorer)ukr.warspotting.net (visually confirmed losses)▶Mapsdeepstatemap.live/enliveuamap.com/en▶DISPOSABLE SOLDIER (diary of a RU mobik)TOURS 1-4: files.catbox.moe/mpcw7p.zip▶12 min of TZD in one ditch (Pokrovsk area) - 28 killedfiles.catbox.moe/sxbxfb.mp4
>>533961203WE THIRD ROME NAO
>>533961203When will the pigkraine stop losing?
SHOIGU! GERASIMOV! Ubī sunt tēla, mēntulae?!
>>533961203ZKeep dying for a great cause, kek
>>533961367>dying for blood, soil and nationfake and gay>dying for a lada and $2000trad and ruspilled
>>533961295when will rusniggers start winning?
Total zigger discombobulation
>cofi status?
>>533961203
>another day>another 1k+ dead ziggers (minimum) to look forward to good morning and glory to the heroes
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>>533961912Sorry, smol numbers today. Also how many days in a row has it been with no tanks?
>>533962180Shit, gonna buy more drones for madyar then.
>>533961912>"ХУЙ BAC, КPEMЛIBCЬКI TBAPИ, ГETЬ З HAШOЇ ЗEMЛI, Х**ЛOПЦI!-- Dumbledore asked calmly
TZD>>533961203new munke, nice
>>533962180Even artillery system numbers are going down.
>>53396289470+ yesterday.
>>533961365kek
>>533961499the brigade commander and others responsible were removed from their posts and demoted btw. meanwhile, Puccian commanders can put their slaves into pits, extort them, shoot them or ofc rape them with impunity as is old Soviet tradition
>>533962152why is it that even russian historical schizoposting is utter dogshit, on par with niggerish we wuzing, and yet not reaching the peaks of yakubian origin of the white race
>Polish PM has just announced Polish-Ukrainian cooperation in drone manufacturing.Jesus fucking Christ, finally.
>>533963753Which ones? We are doing octopus.
>>533963753pytanie czy się nawrockiemu do dupy dobiorą za zondę a czarnkowi za chęć importu poojeetów
>>533963866Pagani zonde
There should be a wiki page on how a country can demilitarize itself while being in a war economy. They should call it "Jewtin paradox"
>>533963568Imagine rusnigeria collapsing and all the dumb rusniggers having to learn that their history is really just abiut eating shit most of the time and not something they made up.
>>533963866A gdzie tam. Może Czarnka uda się spacyfikować, chociaż tutaj zakładam że bardziej liczą na Pinokia Morawieckiego. Ale Nawrocki jest nie do ruszenia. Jak go sutenerka i veto SAFE nie zatopiło, to nic go nie ruszy.
>>533963753>>Polish PMDon't worry, Nawrocki will block it and demand 10 more official apologies for muh wolyn
I find it funny that I can read written text in polish no problem, but the second a Pole starts speaking I can't understand a single word except kurva.
>>533964054He would've loved that, but military spending and development is not his prerogative. This belongs to the Minister of Defence.>>533963799Not many details yet. Just the announcement that "shit is happening". IMO it should've been happening for a while now.
>>533963753only now? God, I thought we were already doing it
>>533964054to be fair you did an oopsie daisy that ended up with around 250k dead Poles, so you know apologising and not being too upity would work in your favour, because ziggers are using this to push propaganda onto retards in our country
>>533963585Is this from a CSTO bio lab?
>>533964089pernikovy tata
>>533964121Will your meltdown continue, tranny?
>>533964089I'm the opposite. Can't read it but understand spoken.
>>533961203>ave, true to monkeat the rate pidoria is going we may see a return of golden horde-era equipment as the museums are emptied of anything to throw at ukraine. what an absolute joke of a "superpower", and it pains me to see america being taken in the same direction.
>>533964015kurwa jak ten debil zawetował SAFE to myślałem ze mu jebnie w sondażach a tu się okazuje ze chyba 40% ludzi to poparło xD projekt który miał dla nas dosłownie same korzyści, no ale NIEMCY UNIA UGA BUGA i 40% jest przeciw xD
>>533964428I by mu jebło w sondażach, gdyby nie to że na kolanie wyciągnął z dupy to SAFE 0%. Kóre jest tylko ładną ściemą, ale Janusz co się Niemca boi to łyknie, bo nie będzie mu się chciało wczytywać w szczegóły. A Nawrocki przynajmniej ma jakąś kontrę do rządowego SAFE, bo tak to by Janusz pewnie zauważył "no niby ten Niemiec zły, ale innej opcji nie ma".
>>533964428z drugiej strony nie wiadomo co było tam w zapiskach. jeśli było tak że moglibyśmy wziąć tą kasę, kupić od koreańczyków licencje i technologie i jeśli przez to nawet może by się dało odtworzyć FSO, PZL PZInż to prezydent powinien wisieć. jeśli w zapiskach było że można za kasę z safe kupować sam sprzęt i to tylko z EU no to jeszcze można dyskutować
>>533964192And Poles dindu and just eternal victims of Europe...
>>533964622SAFE was probably meant to enrich Ameryczka only.
>>533964601tylko że janusz nie wie że safe 0% oparte jest na sprzedarzy naszych rezerw złota, a patrząc jak ameryczka pogrąża się w chaosie i jak zaraz FIAT pierdolnie to zostaniemy w czarnej dupie
>>533964684No one said poles dindu, but we certainly didn't do a mass murder to anyone.
>>533964710>nie wie że safe 0% oparte jest na sprzedarzy naszych rezerw złotaGdzie to kurwa całe złoto idzie? Kto je kupuje?
Why the ooga booga language
>>533964736najprawdopodobniej do żyda
>>533964622>jeśli było tak że moglibyśmy wziąć tą kasę, kupić od koreańczyków licencje i technologie i jeśli przez to nawet może by się dało odtworzyć FSO, PZL PZInżNo tak to Tusk trochę zakładał - nie kupujemy od Niemca czy Francuza, bo i tak już mamy logistyczny burdel w sprzęcie, tylko "kupujemy" od siebie, bo przecież Polska też jest w Unii, rozwijając nasze zdolności produkcji sprzętu wojskowego. I chyba Nawrockiego trochę dupa bolała, bo jak to "budujemy od siebie", to z USA już nie chcemy?
>>533964745Because it's polaks talking to polaks about polak matters.Or do you want me to bitch about Biedronka and how the EU bottle recycling shit is absolutely retarded and poorly implemented? I can't even recycle shit I bought in Germany. What is the fucking point? I'm thinking about burning the plastic bottles out of spite.
>>533964711>Sahryń>Pawłokoma>Wierzchowiny>Akcja Wisła>no mass murderNigga please.
>>533964711We did.We just apologized for it.
>>533964840>Akcja WisłaReally grasping at straws there retard. Please tell me how poles were putting poles into gulags in the 60s too.
>>533964790a to nie jest tak że zion don jest już taką toksyną dla pisu że i nawet najbardziej zatwardziały elektorat pisu widzi że ameryczka ma nas w piździe?
>>533964885No, but you happily used Jaworzno to torture Ukrainiand and Lemkis.
>>533964192>250kI thought it's supposed to be 350k this week?>so you know apologising and not being too upity would work in your favourwe already didin 2003but then you'd have nothing else to talk about
>>533964903Nieoficjalnie każdy w PiSie już mówi że Orangeman jest dla nich rakiem, w szczególności po tej akcji z papieżem, ale jeszcze im trochę czasu zajmie by się do tego oficjalnie przyznać. Bo Orangeman może focha strzelić a tego się boją. Kaczyński to nie Meloni, on takich jaj nie ma.
>>533964795>I bought in GermanyBe honest, there's only one reason poles go to Germany......
>>533964885There were gulags in Wisla? That's a lovely place. I used to live not far away.
>>533964971i'm charitable and using low end estimates
>>533964877You barely apologized to kikes for pogroms. Your apology for Wisla was basically reversed in 2023. "It was a preventative, not repressive measure hurr durr". As I said, dindu.
>>533965064thank you, but it's offensive to 10 gorillion polaks who really got massacred by hohol deathsquads
>>533964285How does that even happen
>>533965098i'm assuming the uk flag is an ukr or some other kind of slav and is able to recognize common slavic words by pronunciation, but not by the way polish uses latin alphabet for slavic language
>>533965085To be fair, kikes are and always have been turbo-assholes towards Poles. At this point we don't feel like apologizing out of sheer spite.
>>533964877>Jak podaje Grzegorz Motyka, w Wierzchowinach przed II wojną światową działała silna komórka Komunistycznej Partii Polski, zaś już w czasie wojny mieszkańcy popierali PPR[7]. Według Tadeusza Swata miejscowi Ukraińcy ponadto, korzystając z poparcia Niemców, jawnie zwalczali polskie oddziały leśne, zaś po wejściu Armii Radzieckiej na Lubelszczyznę znaczna część mieszkańców Wierzchowin zaciągnęła się w szeregi MO i UB, stworzyła siatkę agentów, wielu z nich otrzymało pozwolenie władz na posiadanie broni krótkiej i maszynowe>W samej Pawłokomie również istniała zakonspirowana struktura OUN, znanych z nazwiska jest co najmniej 50 jej członków i sympatykówI only can't justify Sahryń because I don't have enough information on it and>Grzegorz Motyka pisze, że dowódca polskich oddziałów AK por. Zenon Jachymek ps. „Wiktor” wydał rozkaz oszczędzania ludności cywilnej, który nie był jednak respektowanySounds like a chimpout caused by anger for Wołyń.There was nothing wrong with AK killing UPA and you are genuinely retarded if you think otherwise. Likewise, you could argue that UPA killing Polish military was considered fair. Killing commies is always fine, moreover, it's also based. It's the attacks against civilians are are inexcusable, and I frankly don't care which side does it. Going >they did it first! just enables this chimp rusnigger-tier mentality.
>>533965062No but there were gulags in Siberia and polaks were sent to Sibir as a punishment for wrongthink against the communist state after WW2.
>>533965098Married a pole. Kids were bilingual and started taking the piss thinking I couldn't understand them. I learned fast.
>>533965096remember you first brought up wołyń in derogatory manner, playing into zigger strategy of sowing discord among Polish and Ukrainian people.
>>533965168No. I'm fully Scot. Just exposed for years to the language. We agreed she would speak polish and I would speak English so they'd just have both. Worked a treat.
>>533965178Look, I have no dog in this fight. I just feel like we have bigger issues at the moment to allow ourselves to be butthurt about history. I prefer realpolitik. As long as Ukrainians are killing Russians and giving us access to their drone tech, all is good in the world.
>>533965258Awww
>>533965252how about you go block the border again or something
>>533964089O kurva je to ščur pleskogonovy :DD:D
>>533965271ukrainian anon could not bring up wołyń, and as much as i am sympathetic to the ukrainian cause, i'm first and foremost a patriot.
>>533965177Sure but the Wisla question is now back to status quo -- "you deserved it". Then why the fuck do you demand more apologies for Wolyn?
>>533964971bro if Wolyn never happened same people would bitch about the Chmielnicki uprising or some other esoteric historical event from centuries ago. There is a group of Poles that love to feel victimised and pretend to be a besieged fortress surrounded by enemies. Constantly looking for ways to antagonise our neighbours and feel superior about themselves. Not too different from vatnik mentality imho.Irony is that most of them live in eastern Poland, so if shit actually hit the fan they would be the first to get bombed to dust by russians, its like they themselves are making the rope the russians would use to hang them
>>533965294>starts shit>get ofended over a clap backthat behaviour seems rather kosher
>>533965310Šukám děti ve sklepě :DDD
>>533965343>There is a group of Poles that love to feel victimised and pretend to be a besieged fortress surrounded by enemies.To be fair Poland was literally invaded from every direction, including the fucking sea, for literally the majority of its existence.We just have a bad spawn.
>>533965349>Get offended over a clap back>Perpetually asshurt over UPA, despite kikery towards Ukrainians Wow, didn't realize that kettle can call a pot a nigger.
>>533965436>Perpetually asshurt over UPA, despite kikery towards UkrainiansAre you implying UPA were kikes to Ukrainians?
>>533965407yeah just like every other country on Earth,French got invaded by Germans like a dozen times but you don't hear them bitching about some medieval town getting burned by a German band of mercenaries 600 years ago
>>533965407Same here. Did you know that Poland invaded Czech Republic along with Hitler?
>>533965343>Irony is that most of them live in eastern Poland,idk how it works, it's the same way with post-ddr germans and our very own dombabwians(who pre-2014 always bitched how they're heckin oppressed by western ukrainians)something about russian style mindset that creates this eternal victim mentality
>>533965326>Then why the fuck do you demand more apologies for Wolyn?Again, I personally don't care all that much, because we have bigger problems now. In the same way I no longer care about Nazi Germany doing their thing in 1939. But "muh Wołyń" is a very nice talking point to round up the radical right-wing electorate and currently Polish right-wing parties really need that fuel.
>>533965326>Akcja WisłaCommies did it.
>>533965491>Did you know that Poland invaded Czech Republic along with Hitler?We didn't, but fight for Zaolzie was a notably piss poor decision that may have contributed indirectly to WW2.
>>533965436>despite kikery towards Ukrainiansok now you really went mask off cunt'so i guess free arms, armour and vechicles, free refugee housing, free aid to ukrainians has been a kikery? you like to call selfless acts of help kikery? fuck you then coward
>>533965530>fight for Zaolziethat was the invasion. not beating the greedy hyena of europe allegations
>>533965407>including the fucking seaOne of my favourite places is Hel near wadzylowowo. Excuse the spelling.Where troops held out in the bunkers on a spit. Cool as fuck spot.
weird how you never hear 'polish patriots' complaining about katyn and how russians literally make fun of them about ithttps://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2026/04/20/moscow-sparks-outrage-with-polish-russophobia-show-at-katyn-massacre-sitei guess apologies are only necessary from weaker countries that you can blackmail
>>533965507yeah exactly, this is very similar, its bonkers that people who are most threatened are also the ones who are least reasonable about this, logically eastern Poland should be the most anti-russian and yet its completely reversed, maybe its just the influence of russian empire, those parts of Poland were under russia for over 100 years after partitions
>>533965587Czechoslovakia was already going to collapse, so Polish high command thought that it'd be a good idea to grab the land the Czechs stole from us (in a war just 20~ years ago, mind you) in the same motion.>Amid the general euphoria in Poland – the acquisition of Zaolzie was a very popular development – no one paid attention to the bitter comment of the Czechoslovak general who handed the region over to the incoming Poles. He predicted that it would not be long before the Poles would themselves be handing Zaolzie over to the Germans.I guess that one pepik general was right.Again, it was an infamously bad decision. Gave Hitler some legitimacy.
>>533965620>i guess apologies are only necessary from weaker countries that you can blackmailIf we demand apologies from Ukraine that means we believe we can maintain friendly relations and you're not a lost cause.Compare our behavior towards r*ssia.
>>533965620Katyń kurwa is this site ancient meme
Budanov listens to this when thinking about deeper and deeper
>>533965530Well you did invade with your army, but you failed at it. That's just how it is. Doesn't mean I blame you, I just blame the people living at that time, aka retards. The whole Munich Agreement was a shitshow.
>Budanov have a "List of assholes 2026" notebook on his deskwho is on the list?
>>533965491did you know that czehoslovakia invaded poland along with ussr?
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>>533965725lol, I bet he is aware that russian intelligence will dissect such images very thoroughly so he puts some funny shit there to troll them
>>533965772The entire world went fucking retarded at the turn of the century and I guess whatever brain parasite that was infecting every single retard in the ruling class came back in force.
>>533965670doing a trade blockade and dumping our grain onto the ground while trade with belarus stays wide open doesn't seem very friendly
>>533965620why would we want apologies for katyń from russia when we want them all dead, total zigger death after all
>>533965772Yeah no shit, we were under nazi occupation.
>>533965564>freelmao the absolute state of this cope. let me break this down for you anon>free arms and armouryou mean those clapped-out T-72s from the 1980s that you were going to scrap anyway? kek. poland sent its soviet junk to ukraine and used it as the excuse to buy 980 brand new K2 Black Panthers, 648 K9 howitzers, and 218 Chunmoo MLRS from korea. your military went from a post-soviet museum to arguably the strongest ground force in europe. you're welcome for the pretext>free refugee housing, free aiddeloitte/UNHCR study, june 2025: ukrainian refugees generated 2.7% of poland's GDP in 2024. that's €23.1 billion in added output. poland spent ~€9.3 billion total on refugee support and got back EIGHT TIMES that in economic activity. 800,000 ukrainians officially employed, 100,000+ businesses registered. 70% of new companies in poland in 2024 were opened by ukrainians. poland had a $2.3 billion trade surplus with ukraine in 2024 vs a $250 million deficit in 2021>"selfless"poland's GDP crossed $1 trillion in 2025, 20th largest economy in the world. analysts literally say this wouldn't have happened without ukrainian labor filling the demographic hole poles dug for themselves by emigrating to the UK lmaonobody's saying poland hasn't helped. poland has been gigabased on ukraine support. but calling it "selfless" and "free" is pure cope - it's been one of the best investments in polish history and every serious economist looking at the data agrees
Since when is Myrotvorets offline? I remember western ziggers seething about it. Were they able to cancel culture the website?
>>533965845i didn't know czechoslovakia was under nazi occupation in 1920
>>533965480Wow, really letting that dindu flag fly, cкypвий cинy.
>>533965646polish interwar government pursued the exact kind of politics that our konfederacja retards want now - absolute opportunism and selfishness in pursing our own national interests ignoring long term consequences. And it would end exactly as it did back then - Poland would end up surrounded by hostile nations and partitioned once again. Its amusing that people claiming to be the "rational" ones, talking about "realpolitik" are in fact the furthest from that.
>>533965857>you mean those clapped-out T-72s from the 1980s that you were going to scrap anyway? kek. poland sent its soviet junk to ukraine and used it as the excuse to buy 980 brand new K2 Black Panthers, 648 K9 howitzers, and 218 Chunmoo MLRS from korea. your military went from a post-soviet museum to arguably the strongest ground force in europe. you're welcome for the pretextcool that you ignore brand new krabs and quite modern pt-91 twarde
>>533965834If it were up to me I'd shoot all farmers if it makes you any better.
anyway reasonable people don't need explanations, and retarded ones won't understand it anywayhave some russians discussing potential job offers during mogilization
>>533965949yeah same, that made me furious, our farmers are giant cunts
>>533965868Oooh you are going even further back. Yeah, Europe was a mess.
>>533965884I asked you a question nigger. Maybe you'll enlighten me about Ukrainian history, but if UPA was hostile to the Polish state, then it's only the natural reaction for the Polish state to treat UPA fighters as enemies and kill them with extreme prejudice. If UPA was treating Ukrainians like shit, why is Bandera your national hero? Is it like Dzierżyński for r*ssians, where the more you get shit on and pissed in your mouth, the more you love it? There's a reason why we took down commie monuments and why r*ssia seethes about it so much. We don't want our oppressors to be portrayed as some sort of fucking national heroes.
>>533965896>Poland would end up surrounded by hostile nations and partitioned once againnow I kinda want konfederacja to win. but no worries Dobromir, we'll be gentle this time around
>>533965921notice you didn't touch the 2.7% GDP, the 8x return on refugee investment, the $2.3 billion trade surplus, or the 800,000 workers keeping your economy running while your own people are in london thoughnobody said poland hasn't been based. poland HAS been based. the point is calling it "selfless" and "free" when deloitte literally quantified that you got back eight times what you spent is cope. it's a mutually beneficial relationship and there's nothing wrong with that. Just don't be kikes and acknowledge your own oopsies okay sweetie?
>>533965978Potential job offer is just one, which is a meat fodder. Unless you are a churka, then you will be the guy blocking the meat fodder from retreating.
>>533965949alright, in that case i concede that any ukr nationalist who killed polaks in ww2 was a retard(should've been killing NKVD niggers instead) and it's an embarrassing part of our historyand you shouldn't be blaming bandera for it btw, those events happened while he was in german concentration camp so the local ukr nationalists were leaderless decentralised gangs all doing random shit
>>533965857>you mean those clapped-out T-72s from the 1980s that you were going to scrap anyway? kek. poland sent its soviet junk to ukraineI don't think Ukrainians were complaining. Mostly because our soviet-era was almost identical to their soviet-era shit, so they didn't need to waste time retraining troops for a new type of tank. Which mean 200+ tanks that are battle-ready.Some Ukrainian correct me if I'm wrong.
>>533966044Germany wouldn't even need to invade Poland. Polish economy is so hilariously dependent on Europe in general that we'd go back banging rocks together as an industry if completely cut off.Once again the excellent "Polish" foresight of the ruling class presents itself time and time again.
>>533962180Small TZD is like small reps at the gym. You can speculate all you want on what went wrong but you know it’s not gonna stop you from trying again and again until you not only hit that magic number, but also exceed it
>>533966090>and you shouldn't be blaming bandera for it btw, those events happened while he was in german concentration campI am actually aware, but Bandera and his anti-Polish rhetoric is what caused this shit. You could argue that putting him in prison is ultimately what led to Wołyń, since he wasn't around to steer his goons away from doing it, but the fact doesn't change.
Anyways, I get that Russia will surrender soon, but what was the point then? What was the point of grinding down your able bodies men? What will be the Russian response to Putin going on a livestream from his bunker saying "I am so sorry"
>>533966044Do you really think Germany invading Poland nowadays is such a good idea, given how intertwined Polish and German economies are?
>>533966152Putin painted himself into a corner. He will never admit defeat or say sorry. He will simply fall off a balcony one day.
>>533966153It'd be like picking up a large log of shit and smearing it on our face, except Germany would also have their hands covered in shit.Must I remind you that Germans love scat?
>>533966152>Anyways, I get that Russia will surrender soonThey won't. They will keep going until they run out of Buriats or something.
>>533965857>you mean those clapped-out T-72snow the coward is speaking in ebonics. what is it with middle aged ukraine supporters trying to talk like zoomers?
>>533966053>or the 800,000 workers keeping your economy running while your own people are in london thoughAnon, I actually feel bad for ukrops working here since they're working like slaves for dogshit pay.They should instead be moving to the west, and our wages should just fucking increase to a livable level. I don't blame them for NOT moving, since Polish culture is probably the closest to their own, though.
>>533966180Well he can still jew his way out of it by going "muh bad boyars", I am just asking if the general russian populace (80IQ niggers) will accept it or not.
>>533966053>okay sweetiewhats going on here? we went from ebonics to insufferable lesbian snark.
>>533966044ah fuck not again
You can take your hohol mahjong anon from Kijow back, he's annoying and no one besides old men and fujoshis play mahjong.
>>533966112I actually thought Twardy was just a shitty T72 but it's actually so much better than the dogshit r*ssians have it's ridiculous.Someone post that Twardy eating like FIVE ATGMs from r*ssians and Ukrainian crew just bolting the fuck away from it. T72 would have its turret in suborbital flight after 1 hit.
>>533966219Until we fun out of Burritos or Tacos.
>>533966246>I never adress the point being made, I an just a fagYeah anon, tell him more how proud you are of being fucking gay
>>533966033>why is Bandera your national hero1918-1939, the Second Polish Republic's greatest hits against Ukrainians:- banned Ukrainian language from government institutions (1924)- closed Ukrainian schools from 2,426 to 352 in Galicia, from 443 to 8 in Volhynia- promised a Ukrainian university in Lviv at the League of Nations. never opened it- settled tens of thousands of Polish colonists on Ukrainian-majority land- ran Bereza Kartuska, a literal concentration camp (1934-39) where Ukrainians were detained without trial, tortured, at least 10,000 went through it- 1930 Pacyfikacja: sent army and 1,000+ police into 450+ Ukrainian villages for collective punishment, destroyed homes, books, folk dress, cultural objects, forced villagers to sign loyalty oaths renouncing Ukrainian nationality- destroyed 190 Orthodox churches and forcibly converted another 150 to Catholic ones in the late 1930syou ran a colonial occupation on a people who were the majority in their own land and you're confused why they radicalized? the OUN didn't emerge from a vacuum - the Pacyfikacja *specifically* radicalized previously moderate Ukrainians who had been willing to work within the Polish system. >if UPA was treating Ukrainians like shitUPA and Bandera are complicated for Ukrainians too and every honest Ukrainian will tell you that. but you're comparing it to Dzierżyński - a literal traitor to your own people. Bandera, whatever his crimes, was fighting for Ukrainian independence against occupation. >we don't want our oppressors portrayed as heroescool. so where's the Polish reckoning with the Pacyfikacja? the 190 destroyed churches? Bereza Kartuska? Sahryń? Pawłokoma? the IPN just declared Akcja Wisła was "preventative and protective" in 2023. you demand Ukrainians account for UPA while your own state institution is actively whitewashing ethnic cleansing of 150,000 people that happened two years AFTER Auschwitz closed you demand grievance redressal you refuse to provide
>>533966053Common Poles dropped whatever they were doing and appeared at the border to help Ukrainians get in, without any government intervention. That was as selfless as it gets.Long term GDP gain for Poland does not change that Ukrainians have received free 9 billion Euros in refugees support. When Ukrainians applied to jobs in our labor market they also have enriched themselves. The 23 billion wasn't a return of what we have put into Ukrainians, it was a fruit of mutually beneficial exchange.
>>533966264>since they're working like slaves for dogshit pay>like slavesThey extract gibs while doing little in return.
>>533966324Why did Lukashenko chimp out on us? Before the nigger flood I literally thought nothing of Belarus and only knew Belarus as r*ssia's satellite that people go to and smuggle cigs and fuel.
>>533966351>why is Bandera your national heroukraine has no heroes. Bandera was just the most competent at being a traitor. Naturally, this is what ukrainians value the most.
>>533966355>it was a fruit of mutually beneficial exchangethat's literally what i said anon. we agree. it was mutually beneficial. that's the whole point - it wasn't charity, it was an exchange where both sides gainedand yes, common poles at the border in february 2022 were genuinely heroic and nobody is disputing that. individual poles showing up with food and blankets and spare rooms is actual selflessness and ukrainians remember itthe argument was never "poland bad." the argument was against the other anon calling it "selfless" and "free" as if ukrainians are beggars receiving handouts when the data shows they paid it back nearly nine times over through labor, taxes, consumption, and trade. you just confirmed that yourselfmutual benefit ≠ free. that's all
>>533966409Yeah anon, go be a flamboyant fag. You go girl!
>>533966438His shtick just worn out it's welcome. Let the stolen valor fag return back to his other personas. They were more entertaining .
>>533966385>On usOn memeflags? Idk.
>luv poles>luv ukies>'ate lil' ziggers (s*rbs)>'ate ziggerssimple asTZD
>>533966264They like Poland, simple as. Not everything is measured in wages, as you correctly noticed. We good bro or do you wish to return to our historical exercise?
>>533966351>- banned Ukrainian language from government institutions (1924)>- closed Ukrainian schools from 2,426 to 352 in Galicia, from 443 to 8 in Volhynia>- promised a Ukrainian university in Lviv at the League of Nations. never opened it>- ran Bereza Kartuska, a literal concentration camp (1934-39) where Ukrainians were detained without trial, tortured, at least 10,000 went through it>- 1930 Pacyfikacja: sent army and 1,000+ police into 450+ Ukrainian villages for collective punishment, destroyed homes, books, folk dress, cultural objects, forced villagers to sign loyalty oaths renouncing Ukrainian nationality>- destroyed 190 Orthodox churches and forcibly converted another 150 to Catholic ones in the late 1930sI literally said previously that all of those things were retarded and one of the many things of "not nice" things the interwar Polish state did to Ukrainians. The answer was not random slaughtering of a Polish-Ukrainian village.>- settled tens of thousands of Polish colonists on Ukrainian-majority landNothing wrong with this one because Ukrainians had the right to move to Polish-majority land. At least I think.>so where's the Polish reckoning with the Pacyfikacja? the 190 destroyed churches? Bereza Kartuska? Sahryń? Pawłokoma?Good question and maybe it should be answered after the war ends and Wołyń victims are returned.>the IPN just declared Akcja Wisła was "preventative and protective" in 2023.Well they're retarded because I to that say what the other anon did - the commies did it.>your own state institution-Now hold your horses, because I MULTIPLE TIMES also stated that the Polish state does not represent me.I'll let the war end first, but unless Ukraine returns the Wołyń victims, ends Bandera worship, and generally tries to make amends for the interwar-WW2 period with Poland, I don't think we'll be outright hostile, but we'll definitely just go back to bitching at each other for no good reason when we could just move on.
>>533966464I mean I just can't let a fag be not bullied
I think all the news about "disgruntlement" etc are fake, the Russkies are advancing at the exact same pace as beforeI think they are mentally preparing the population for a ceasefire and gearing up to invade the Baltics
>>533966464>worn out it's welcome.You are so close to the ultimate realization. Hope you kept your bags packed.
So are we now discussing irrelevant bullshit from over a century ago? I would like to join in. Fuck the Austria-Hungary. Thank you for your attention to thie matter.
>>533966488checked, I love Croatia too bro <3
>>533966504>We good bro or do you wish to return to our historical exercise?Ultimately I think bitching a little about the interbellum is good for everyone before the details have to be finally sorted out and finalized in some sort of official action.I also genuinely don't know much about Ukrainian history so there's that.
>>533966602>So are we now discussing irrelevant bullshit from over a century ago?can you name a time when this tranny general wasnt discussing irrelevant shit? this is a place meant to discuss ukraine after all.
>>533966528genuinely fair response and i appreciate you not dodging the history. you're clearly not the same poster who opened with "we didn't do mass murder"the one thing i'd like to be an autist about: you call the interwar period "not nice things" while treating wolyn as something categorically different. but think about what the list actually contains - systematic destruction of a people's language, schools, churches, culture, political representation, and physical freedom (bereza kartuska). that's not "not nice," that's a deliberate campaign to erase a national identity. the fact that it was done through institutions rather than axes doesn't make it lesser.that's not justifying UPA. what they did in wolyn was monstrous and no honest ukrainian disputes that. but framing 20 years of institutional erasure as "not nice" while framing the violent reaction to it as uniquely evil is the asymmetry that keeps this wound open>unless Ukraine returns the Wołyń victims, ends Bandera worship, and makes amendsfair demands. but "maybe it should be answered after the war" for the Polish side while Ukraine has to act first is the exact asymmetry i'm talking about. reconciliation has to be simultaneous or it's just one side submitting to the otheryou're right that we could just move on. i'd genuinely like that
>>533966602I am still salty at the Czechs that they had better movies and cartoons during the late communist era than Poland did. I had to watch Robocop and Batman on Nova 1 as a kid. In Czech. It traumatized me for life.Fuck Czechia.
>>533966633>I also genuinely don't know much about Ukrainian historyThere isnt much to know.A bunch of rapists and thieves were exiled from polite society and, after some time, these rapists and thieves formed a mercenary group.After more time still, this mercenary band of rapists and thieves pretended to be a nation.The origin story of ukraine is tale about a people being bought out by neighboring powers to be expendable cannon fodder. Fast forward to 2026, and ukrainians are still a gaggle of expendable cannon fodder used by other powerful nations.
>>533966645So, why exactly are you here, seething every single day? Like I get that you want to prove that you are a fag, but you have already proved this yesterday. And the day before. And the day before. How irrelevant can this general get for you to not care about it, gay anon?
>>533966689>not dodging the historyI bet we can get you to dodge history.
>>533966704We are sorry, director Zeman was just too good.
>fag's so attention starvedlmao
>>533966733>we can get you toI don't think western LGBTQ whatever + cares about Ukraine in the year of our lord 2026
>>533966771>fag's so attention starvedhow long before you swap ID's?always running from something.
>>533966033No one gave a shit about Bandera pre-2014 except for some 80 year old grandpas still living in their UPA forest huts somewhere in lviv oblast it all started when russian propaganda ramped up in preparation for war and started calling everyone anti-russian a heckin banderovets naziin response normies decided to be banderovtsi out of spite/irony, that's about itit even spawned memes like zhydobandera, because again, in russian media we were nazis and jew slaves simultaneously - which is boomer memes in ukraine by now, but 2026 /pol/ retards still eat it upif you asked any normie on the street what they know about bandera they'd just go 'uhh idk, he's a nationalist for independence and makes russians seethe', that's the extent of itme personally? i can kinda respect him for going full retard and deciding to fight both germans and soviets at the same time, despite knowing it's hopeless rather than deciding to cuck down to germans like melnyk did(the whole reason for oun-b and oun-m split)
>>533966814Fine, here's a (You). What do you wanna talk about? I wanna skip the part where you homosexually try to switch subjects to whatever's the slide topic du jour and you just meltdown about me.
>>533966689>"we didn't do mass murder"I stand by that because you need to understand what I classify as mass murder.>random chimpout of a small unitNot mass murder.>disorganized action under illegal ordersNot mass murder.>organized action under orders from an illegitimate or quasi-legitimate authority (guerillas, rebels, etc.)Mass murder>organized action against orders from see aboveNot mass murder.Basically, "is it mass murder?" can be organized by asking:>Did someone order this?>Was it organized, planned, or did one thing lead to another?>If something just lead up to it, could it be predicted reasonably that this will be the result?If all 2(3) are yes, then it is mass murder.Obviously what classifies as "planned" can be debated, but I think most reasonable people have the general idea of what a planned action looks like vs a handful of guys going "fuck it, we ball" and just shooting everyone.Wołyń was mass murder because it was clearly organized and planned for.Sahryń was clearly planned for, but it was AGAINST orders to spare civilian population. Whether or not it's true, from what info we have and taking it at face value, the commander wanted only UPA fighters killed.>that's a deliberate campaign to erase a national identity.Again, very mean thing to do considering the partitions. I do not plan to justify that.
>>533966814I love how when somebody just says the word "faggot" withour mentioning you, you immediately know he us talking about you. If I screamed FAGGOT in your general vicinity, would you turn around?
>>533966856>Fine, here's a (You).Go back to "ignoring" me. A response from trannies is never necessary. You know this.>What do you wanna talk about?Im not here to talk with chatgpt. Its time for you to get back in your cage.
>>533966704Danananana Nětoperekczlek :DD:D
>>533966879ok let's use your own framework>did someone order this? was it organized, planned? if all yes = mass murderPawłokoma: AK unit under Lt. Józef Biss, aided by men from surrounding villages, herded Ukrainian villagers into a church and shot them. 150-500 dead. organized, commanded, planned. 3/3 on your own testAkcja Wisła: ordered by the Minister of Public Security and Minister of National Defense. operational plan explicitly stated "to solve the Ukrainian problem in Poland once and for all." 150,000 people forcibly deported. Jaworzno concentration camp - a repurposed Nazi facility - used to detain and abuse Ukrainian civilians. organized, planned, state-ordered. 3/3Sahryń: 600-800 civilians dead, entire village destroyed, orthodox church burned. you say it was "against orders to spare civilians." if a UPA unit massacred poles "against orders" would you accept that framing? and at what body count does the excuse expire?>very mean thing to do considering the partitionsbrother you keep using "not nice" and "very mean" for 190 churches destroyed, a language banned from institutions, schools closed from 2,426 to 352, a concentration camp that processed 10,000 people. you know what those things are when they're done to poles - you call it cultural genocide without hesitation. the only thing changing is the subject
>>533966853>it all started when russian propaganda ramped up in preparation for war and started calling everyone anti-russian a heckin banderovets nazi>in response normies decided to be banderovtsi out of spite/irony, that's about itI'm aware which is why I'm not taking it to heart, but not everyone is like me and I hope Bandera quietly gets shelved after the war.
>>533966152Putin would rather shoot himself than surrender, and the man is pathologically afraid of death
>>533966980Haha, you're like a toddler. A genuine toddler. Only a toddler would actually react like you did, because I explicitly told you that I see what you're doing, so I'm obliging you. You want me to get mad but that's never going to happen, you know that, right? You're too retarded and I'm too habituated for his LARP.
>>533966980>I am here to be a fagWow, who would have figured it out
>>533966879on Wisła specifically: the troops were Polish. the police were Polish. the plan was written by Polish ministers. the population broadly supported it. the commie government didn't have to force poles to hate ukrainians - the deportation had wide social backing and you know it. historians like Snyder and Motyka document this clearly
>>533967051>and I hope Bandera quietly gets shelved after the warat this point he won't, including in part due to poland's own messagingthings would calm down if everyone just stopped talking about it, but normies get mad every time a foreign country starts demanding us to change our historical narrative - doesn't matter whether it's russia or poland or anyone elsebest we can do is just put tarps over upa monuments or something when a polish delegation visits so no one gets offended and pretend they're not there until polaks leave kek
you now remember Redshadowz and his hilarious predictions of the imminent collapse of Europe and Ukraine
>>533967217>his hilarious predictions of the imminent collapse of Europe and Ukraineit appears he is well on track to be correct.
>>533966853>if you asked any normie on the street what they know about bandera they'd just go 'uhh idk, he's a nationalist for independence and makes russians seethe', that's the extent of itI remember visiting some town in western Ukraine around 2016 or somesuch. It was funny to see the paradox - you could feel Ukrainians were very welcoming towards Poles, while at the same time, there were UPA flags and Bandera statues every five steps. The older people in our group immediately got triggered, while Ukrainians that were with us were none the wiser about what was going on. It was very awkward at first.
>>533967238Could you give me a timeline prediction of when exactly is that happening? Asking for the LGBTQ crowd that so adored you.
>>533967079I was reading an article yesterday about Putin's unwise decision to invade Ukraine and it had some interesting quotes:>Like [a] cornered rat... he is left with only one option—to strike back with everything he can muster. He cannot win this war, but he is all in on it anyway.https://carnegieendowment.org/emissary/2026/04/russia-ukraine-war-european-security
>>533967048>AK unit under Lt. Józef BissAnon, a lieutenant is a pretty low rank.>Akcja Wisła: ordered by the Minister of Public Security and Minister of National Defense.The commies did it. Not going to contest - I think communists should be shot for their crimes and you can pile this one on.>if a UPA unit massacred poles "against orders" would you accept that framing?I would definitely look at UPA crimes in a different light if someone ordered them "ok go kill the military men in the village but don't touch anyone else" and then they chimped out and killed everyone anyway. An order to commit a mass murder is much different than an order to kill political enemies only, then also killing random civilians on top of that order.>and at what body count does the excuse expire?You'll find that I didn't include a casualty count in my rule of thumb questionnaire for mass murder, aside from a lower floor of 2 victims, I guess. You could kill 2, 6m, 900niggerplex of people, and it wouldn't change a thing. Only the general intent, organization, and whether or not someone acted out of order matters.>you call it cultural genocide without hesitationIt was an attempt to eradicate Ukrainian culture. What else do you want me to say? It was not an attempt to mass murder Ukrainians, just to get rid of the very serious problem that Ukrainian nationalism was for the interwar state.Pacyfikacja (not the commie one) was considered sad, but necessary for the Polish state by many Poles at the time. Everyone was probably aware how Germanlike that behavior was, but they probably felt like Polish state would sooner or later explode into an Ukrainian nationalist revolt otherwise.
>>533967051>Bandera quietly gets shelved after the war.probably not it's already a meme used to push agendas on all sides will probably disappear in a generation or two or when there is much larger cultural shift globally
>>533967153I agree it was probably easier to push through, but it was still commies who did it.>>533967207> put tarps over upa monuments or something when a polish delegation visits so no one gets offended and pretend they're not there until polaks leave kekHonestly genuinely probably the best option. Just respectful enough without taking them down outright.
>>533967109>You want me to get mad but that's never going to happenThe key part in dealing with women is to not share in their emotions.I cant control your emotions any better than the army of doctors and shrinks the finnish tax payer funds to deal with you.
>>533967420How can you be so gay I don't understand this
>>533966603A fun fact: my father was personal security for Wojtyła twice when he visited Croatia. I unironically think that the Poles and the Irish are two most beloved by Croats. TZD brother.https://youtu.be/xitWNaBN6Qw
>eastern european WE WUZZING meltieThis is why you will never amount to anything, hopefully Ukraine can become a real western style country instead
>>533967420But I have been paying taxes, local, general and even part of the union for almost half a year at thios point. :) It's more like I pay for the people like you, kek.
>>533967478>How can you be so gay I don't understand thisinstead of being molested by a tall busty french lady with a thick accent he was molested by his uncle
>>533967484I'be been in Croatia as a kid, late 90s. I ate the best tangerines there ever in my life, straight from the tree, some grandma living by the sea sold my dad a bag of them, they were so good I still remember their taste today lol
>>533967413>>533967361>it was still commies who did it>but it was easier to push throughyou literally just said it yourself anon. "easier to push through." why was it easier? because the polish population wanted it. the commies didn't invent anti-ukrainian sentiment - they harnessed what was already there. and the commie shield doesn't work here anyway because:Pawłokoma (1945): AK unit. anti-communist partisans. the guys on your stampsSahryń (1944): AK unit. samethe interwar erasure campaign: the democratic Second Republic. no commies anywhere near itthe commies only enter the picture for Wisła, and even there: the operational plan said "all people of Ukrainian descent," not "UPA fighters." by YOUR framework - was it ordered? yes. was it organized and planned? yes. was the target civilians? explicitly yes. that's 3/3 on your own test. you're disqualifying it solely because you don't like who signed the order>Pacyfikacja was considered sad but necessary, everyone knew it was Germanlike behaviorgenuinely incredible sentence. "we knew it was Germanlike but we felt it was necessary." do you understand you just described how a nation talks itself into atrocity?
Can we just admit that the 2nd Polish Republic was in general a shithole? Poles have this romanticized view of it, because that's what they teach us at school, but it was filled with dipshits, Piłsudzki included. He was a great hero and statesman, sure, but he was also an total asshole.
>>533967681>why was it easier? because the polish population wanted itTo want something and to act upon it is the essence of soul and the difference between a living human being and a commie rat, anon. Just because you want food and sex and general comfort of a living creature doesn't mean you should stuff yourself like a pig, rape everything that moves like a jeet, and kill people whenever you get mildly inconvenienced.Do you really think commies would let anyone but their supporters (aka commies) have weapons?>do you understand you just described how a nation talks itself into atrocity?Anon, I said multiple times I don't really plan to justify the interwar shit the Polish state was doing. There were better ways to handle rising Ukrainian nationalism. I could brainstorm solutions, but why should I for a 100 year old problem that was already solved in the worst way possible?
>>533967361>The commies did itAnd some of those "UPA dealings" were also actually made by commies, but nobody actually talks about that. I've heard stories of how NKVD faggots were doing fucked up shit (including against Ukrainian population specifically) by posing as UPA from people whom lived through that. Imagine some jews or other such retards posing as UPA, but failing the intricacies of the regional accent, so that people instantly knew something fishy was happening.
>>533967805100%
>>533967805>He was a great hero and statesman, sure, but he was also an total asshole.I don't think anyone argues about that point. He was a complete asshole but at the same time there was no one more fit to run the Polish state.I guess this is what happens when you try to eradicate an entire nation of peoples. Every competent leader will simply keep his head down and only the apeshit leaders will show themselves.
>>533967294made me wonder how it's covered in school these days so i had to go find a random textbook
>>533967867they don't even mention bandera here because he's covered in the interwar period section instead
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>>533967805That's like acknowledging that UPR's higher ups were retarded faggots lmao ("why would be need an army"): true, but unpleasant for discourse.
>>533967913they even got a special section for volyn you should be happy, polaks
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>>533967925>true, but unpleasant for discourse.I think only autists like us can have levelheaded and ultimately fruitlessly fruitful discussions about heavy shit like this. Too bad we're not actually running anything.I sometimes wonder how the world would look like if Ukrainian state was culturally integrated into 2nd Polish Republic as an actual territory rather than pacified. I imagine something like Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, and I bet Ukrainians would INSIST on their statehood, but I also think it wouldn't ultimately lead to violence if given a release valve in form of regional leadership and actual representation.Basically, unless someone is already actively trying to kill you, there's probably a better solution than trying to kill someone. I wonder if I'm getting old to come to this conclusion.
>the danish tranny is suspiciously absent today after a multiday melty>the same day mearspidor shows up after a suspicious multiday absence i am definitely nooticing, funny how these coincidences just keep happening
>>533967820>there were better ways to handle rising Ukrainian nationalismyes. and the fact that poland chose the worst ways - Pacyfikacja, Bereza Kartuska, school closures, church destruction, colonization - is exactly why the nationalism kept rising and radicalizing. you're describing the cause and the effect as two separate problemsyou asked earlier why Bandera is a figure in ukraine. this is why. the OUN wasn't born in a vacuum - it was born in a country that banned their language, destroyed their churches, shut their schools, beat their villagers, and locked their activists in a concentration camp without trial. the OUN founding congress was in 1929, one year before the Pacyfikacja. every repression after that was a recruitment drivethat doesn't make what UPA did in wolyn right. it wasn't. but you asked "why is bandera your national hero" as if it were irrational. it's not irrational - it's the predictable result of a people who had every institutional path to justice closed off and turned to the only people who promised to fight backyou clearly get that the interwar state was wrong. the last step is connecting that to the question you opened with
>>533968037>the OUN wasn't born in a vacuum - it was born in a country that banned their language, destroyed their churches, shut their schools, beat their villagers, and locked their activists in a concentration camp without trial. the OUN founding congress was in 1929, one year before the Pacyfikacja. every repression after that was a recruitment driveI am very aware, anon. Poles and Ukrainians are very similar in the aspect that oppressing us only makes us resist harder. I don't know why the interwar state thought otherwise.>"why is bandera your national hero" The question is framed for 2026 not 1936, anon. I don't know how I'd feel about having war criminals as our national heroes, even if they'd technically did some good stuff for us. Even Piłsudzki is a genuinely controversial figure. >>533967805
>>533967940looks alright to mebtw some local German commanders did in fact arm our resistance because AK were good at fighting soviet partisans. This was entirely at the local level though and even had to be purposefully hidden from the German high command. The eastern from in general was a huge mess and all sorts of weird local quasi alliances happened.
>>533968187I like to think of it as Afghanistan but with plains and forests.
>>533968009the frustrating thing is that Ukraine was close to keeping their independent state but Pilsudski said nah fuck it and just abandoned the idea after the 1920 war. He was more worried about whites winning the russian civil war than anything else so he let Lenin go off easy after bolshevik defeat at the gates of Warsaw. One more proof of how short sighted he was.
>>533968334Yeah, because fuck having buffer countries on our border, right?
>>533968009>levelheaded and ultimately fruitlessly fruitful discussions about heavy shit>levelheaded>fruitlessly fruitfulYou are all trannies. Physically and spiritually trannies.
>>533961482coffee time alongside total quadbike death
>>533968492Can you stop giving me (You)s? Thanks. Every time I get one from you, I think it's some valuable reply, but it's just another post from Mearschizo.
