I really want to be Christian but the problem of evil and the existence of Islam always bother me. The Middle East and North Africa were Christian prior to the Islamic conquests, Byzantium ruled us and it was all fine until Islam destroyed everything. Now our countries are barely functioning, endless wars and conflicts we don't even live like humans. Why did God/Jesus allow this to happen? Why are we suffering? Is there any merit in worshipping him?
>>533982519Christ didn't come to establish some sort of functioning government on earth. Have you read the Gospels? He doesn't care about political power.
>>533982519>Why did God/Jesus allow this to happen?because the churches went apostate, revering idols, saints and mary instead of Jesus Christ, thus just like Israel was judged through Nebukadnezzar so these churches were judged with the saracens.
>>533983394Ok, but he should punish the churches only, why punish the whole region?
>>533982519Jesus is just the symbol for the spirit. That's inside you. Not out there. He didn't condemn you. He doesn't have that power because Jesus was just a man that held the impossible. Whatever failings fell into your nations are derived entirely from your own choices. God has no input here aside from how we express it's patterns. So in a way you're correct it is God's fault but you're missing the bigger picture that it's the incomplete human that itches for what it can't understand and so you get pressure and tension in the system.
you keep calling it "christianity" when for centuries upon centuries you were under pagan Rome and quite fine as well(Roman Africa aka north Africa was relatively well off and had a lot of colonies), if anything it's the rise of christianity that made it possible for a bunch of camel rapists to take over with no one to stop them until they encountered rowdy barely christianized Franks
>>533983868But we were forced to convert by threat of violence and death, we tried to rebel against the Islamic conquerors but failed and any type of resistance was faced with executions. We didn't have any choice really.
>>533983974Yeah Christianity failed to protect us from Islam.
>>533983974This. Christianity has nothing to offer besides imaginary good-boi points for an also imaginary afterlife ticket for the synagogue of yahweh.
>>533982519You can do it.
>>533982519>Why did God/Jesus allow this to happen?Because it's good for you soul.>Why are we suffering?Because you've neglected your soul.>Is there any merit in worshipping him?If you're hoping for an external reward, then you haven't even learned what worship is yet.Christianity is about turning away from the corrupt and transient in favor of the eternal and pure. You can't be a Christian while you're still fixated on world events, as if they matter more than the state of your own soul.
I was just thinking about this since I watched a video on roman history, I knew people would question this and it's probably been answered a million times. Western rome collapsed first, Yahweh telling us no it wasn't idiolatry that's why Catholicism lives on so well. Eventually white people beat the muslims and enslaved humanity and it's a happy story.
>>533985257Really islam is very imperialistic I'm surprised how people don't realize this they have a problem from the middle ages still threatening them, the marines were basically created to fight muslims. Sometimes I find myself lamenting christianity destroying all cultures but then I look at the middle east and see islam. Still blowing up idols.
>>533983743same reason the world is ruled by satanic pedophiles, if those that are set apart to God fail and fall into apostasy it has consequences for everyone involved.if the Church does its job all is well since they set the standard the world looks upon when it comes to representing God as a people.
>>533985394Man I'm really tired of all of this, my whole country is fucked up and my life is shit ever since I was born. I was bullied by everyone and I attempted suicide, there's no point in living in this world.
>>533985658Jesus Christ gives you meaning and reason to hold on. repent and turn to him, worked out for me and will work out for you.t. was plagued by depression and suicidal thoughts
>>533985792I don't know anon, if Islam never existed the world would be a utopia. It's sad things don't go the way you want.
>>533987642>world would be a utopialol no, the world was always getting worse. satan is the ruler of the air.
>>533982519>Why did God/Jesus allow this to happen?Satan/Jewish doing
>>533982519You cannot rationalize belief, Morocco anon.
>>533987910>islam created by jewryno, it was actually created by catholics to bring jerusalem under the dominion of the pope.it backfired horribly tho.thats why the pope is trying to reconcile with islam and bring it back under the mother harlot church.
>>533988026Nah, it's Jewish
>>533982519Some of you remember me constantly posting these posts.https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/528529495/#q528534771https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/528529495/#q528534871Adam, Eve and Satan challenged God's sovereignty. Satan accused Jehovah of bribing Job in exchange for loyalty. Christianity is meant to answer those challenges. That's all.>What is it meant to accomplish?To prove three things:>Satan is a liar>Humanity cannot govern themselves>Humans will be loyal to God in return for nothing.>Was is the solution to all the world's problems?After God is satisfied with those issues thoroughly being answered and accomplished he will bring Armageddon to earth. A one world government ruled by Jesus Christ as king. That regime is simply called God's Kingdom
>>533985658It's only temporary. Pic related is Armageddon. It will happen soon.
>>533985658>>533988337After Armageddon, the whole world will be transformed into the paradise earth Adam and Eve forsook.
>>533988389Will I be able to fly a kite while riding a tiger?
>>533988273the four horseman already happened. its the fall of pagan rome.
Why did God not provide me with a brand new maseratti quattroporte automatica and a smoking hot harem of 500 top notch assortiment of worldwide pussy? Why did God made me suffer so much? What the fuck is going on?
>>533988337>>533988389Thanks anon, I hope you're doing well.
>>533982519Why would you want to worship a Jew?Also the existence of India is 100% proof that god does not exist.
>>533982519> Byzantium ruled us and it was all fine until Islam destroyed everything.No. You would not have a *HECKIN* golden age without Islam. In many respects, you were conquered precisely because of your latent genetic predisposition to fatalism and failure. That’s exactly why Pissrael came into the picture. In the beginning, it was an earnest attempt at injecting European “Khazarian” genetics into your Arab cesspool. But obviously it lost track of the mission along the way.
>>533988618I think Christianity has better teachings than Islam, we were successful prior to the Islamic invasion. The West is successful too, we would probably be like them if Islam didn't exist.
>>533988869Christianity welcomes the Islamic invaders. Christians love mass immigration.
>>533989031Nah that's just prots evangelical and nostra atate
>>533988869You couldn’t handle western democracy. Turkey is doing just fine relative to its genetic potential.Your success is exactly why Pissrael is getting jealous and floating preemptive war.
>>533989236Not all HIV infections turn into AIDS, but the potential is always there. Christianity is at its foundation, subversive.
>>533989404Nigger please
>>533982519>It would be really comforting to believe in the made-up nonsense but...Stopped reading right here. Just don't start believing in made-up nonsense
>>533982683>He doesn't care about political power>calls himself king of kingsuh huh
>>533989439>reddit_liesmeanwhile in reality, huge amounts of european literature were lost because faggot kikes wrote over them with their jew worship so they didn't have to pay for another scroll
>>533989646Name them , come-on
>>533989031>England rejects Christianity >People and government follow globohomo claiming it's more rational>Muslims come in mass>How could Christianity do this?
>>533989844Christianity gave the Jews complete control over the west. Also, the west was still majority christian when the invasion started.
>>533989646> huge amounts ofeuropean literature were lostMost books today are worthless garbage. It was probably the same story back then. Besides you can’t possibly know this.
>>533982519>the problem of evilFind Christ. You will only find evil and subjugation all other places.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02PxQmHIQ5o
>>533990100you can definitely know this because names of lost books appear all over the place in literaturethere's a case of some jew worship scribbles found some centuries ago that upon closer inspection turned out to have been written over a papyrus containing advanced Greek math possibly by Archimedes IIRC
>>533982519>our countries are barely functioningThey have all forgotten God and Jesus Christ. Many of us have, and so behold, our house is left unto us desolate. It's almost as bad as Sodom outside. Money is their God, they have no need for Christ. The courts of law are their repentance. The bank statement is their Priest.Our Lord God is a jealous God, and he will not suffer this lightly. We have sown and now we reap.
>>533988869The middle east would be like latin america. Corrupt and dumb but better at sorting it out. Islam is a force multiplier of enshitification. "Oh holy book says all my problems are because non Muslims exist. Not the guy with the giant harem hogging all the resources. Can't criticize him he is a Muslim."
>And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.It's almost as though we are before the flood. Not quite though, there are many good people who try to spread the word of Christ. I think that's why he hasn't destroyed us. It is God's will not ours, never forget that.
>>533988483Absolutely, yes. With a monkey riding with you as well
>I really want to be ChristianThen accept Jesus Christ as your savior and live the way he commanded you to live>Why did God/Jesus allow this to happen?God allows men to choose Jesus. That choice would be meaningless if men could not choose to turn away from Him.>Why are we suffering?Because the temporal world is sinful. People turn away from Jesus and do not live in accordance with his teachings. If everyone did that, suffering would be almost non-existent. There would still be some suffering because this material existence is itself a barrier between you and God, but it would be far more tolerable than the world filled with evil that we have now.>Is there any merit in worshipping him?Worshipping Jesus is the only thing that has any merit at all. This material world is temporary. God is eternal. One thing is guaranteed - one day you will die. No matter whether you lived in luxury or strife, you will die. When that happens, if you accepted Jesus, your soul will become one with God, and you will have everlasting joy and peace. If you did not, then you will tumble in an endless void until the day of Judgment, then you will cease to exist. Nothing that happens to you today or tomorrow is as important as the choice you make.
>>533982519Jesus Christ:>Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels?The scriptures must be fulfilled.>I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
>>533982519Do not trust to man, trust in the Lord God, Jesus Christ and the Holy Ghost.
>>533982519>For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.>And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.>For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.>All these are the beginning of sorrows.>Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.>And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.>And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.>And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.>But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.>And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.>When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
>>533982519I pray you pass your test of faith, I have had a very similar one. Do the "first works", learn about demons, they influence us and test us, as they are testing you. I have faith you will pass your test friends, brothers, sisters.
>For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.>If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?>But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3nad0Miff0
He died died that we may live.
>>533982519XNITY PRIMERhttp://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1a-9eWjZWH-6uUOcRFJ4hFsgB2vOhdZZfgoogle drive easy to use interface....>problem of evilgod invented satan because humans have free will and have to choose between good & evil
>>533982519>>533993330>devil
>>533989641King of kings is not a political position you imbecile
>>533982519>Why are we suffering?That is the point of Jesus. Take up your Cross & grow the fuck up.There is no such thing as Christianity without suffering. You missed the entire point, to be even asking that question.
>>533993330Indeed, God's hangman. What is a kingdom without a hangman.
>>533993365If Islam is of the Devil, then why does the Koran believe in the Second Coming of Jesus?
>>533982519Living happily is not a Christian virtue. God does not want you to live comfortably at all. You should be glad that He brought suffering and destruction upon your lands so you could experience a small percentage of what Jesus experienced. There is no greater honor in Christianity than be tortured and killed for your faith.
>>533994208koran is a pile of shit only good for burning
You can even ask>Lord can I help you carry some of your cross, if you allow it, give me some of your cross, let me help you carry it out of love for you.And the Lord will give you it if he sees fit. It is truly humbling to suffer for the Lord, and it will make you stronger in faith. Christ is King.
>>533997119And you can ask for a dream, or a sign, or to be taught, but only if Jesus Christ wills it. Do it in humility and in faith with a contrite heart. His will not ours. The path of Christ is filled with thorns, and many lessons. You will get your cross, we all have our cross. He will never give you more than you can handle.
Christianity vs Islam is a pretty easy choice.>ChristA Jew>MohammadNot a Jew
And don't worry, even Jesus dropped his cross, falling to the ground from the weight of it, scoured and exhausted, but he picked it back up. You must pick yours back up. Heavy is the cross.
>>533997119King of the Jews, and you're a Jew worshipper. A good goy, to be sure
>>533997895>continue to be a cuck rather than kill your enemiesThis is why you'll always be weak, Christcuck. Now go back on your cuck stick lmao
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>>533982519>Byzantium>it was all fine Narrator: It was not all >>533982683fine
>>533998033That's not what Christianity preaches you massive retard, otherwise Europe would've fallen centuries ago when it was 100% Christian, you mouth breather.Fucking kill yourself, mutt golem
>>533982519Rev 13:7: "And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations."The Bible itself is full of battles that were won by evil. If faith always guaranteed victory, what value would such faith have? With a faith never tested by fire, nor by silence, would you truly know God?A Christian does not expect things to go always go well, nor for the world around him to become gradually better, but quite the opposite. The worst is still to come. But you don't have to face it alone. In fact, I don't want you to, and neither does God.
>>533982519theodicy. the problem of why god allows evil if god is good. the abrahamic solution to this is... none except for cope. They borrowed the idea of a bad guy who was the enemy of god from Zoroastrianism. They put Satan in that role even though you can see Satan as being god's helper in the old testament. The bigger problem is that the abrahamic religions are nonsense. Made up. There is no historical or archeological evidence of any of the main characters in the old testament aka Torah. Moses, David, Noah, Solomon... fictional characters. Same with Mohammed and Jesus. Take alook at the Elephantine papyri page on Wikipedia. Scroll down to the Jewish section. Scholars flat out admit that there was no knowledge of any of the Torah when it was supposed to be ancient. They made it up. There has been some great scholarship on that in the last 20 years. See Russell Gmirkin's work.If you need some jewish fairy tales to guy your life I'd suggest Superman or Batman. You don't get a solution to theodicy, but at least there is some better morality and no foreskin hate, either.
