This image demonstrates how dumb pressing blue is, but more importantly, it shows how important language, phrasing, and imagery are in controlling the masses. The masses of midwit bluetards picked blue in the polls because the original hypothetical purposefully worded things close to the prisoner's dilemma language, strongly implying that red was a "selfish" choice. But, as shown in this image, red is just nothing. Pressing red means nothing happens to you or anyone else. Pressing blue makes it so you die unless half of everyone else also presses blue. I suspect virtually no one would press blue with this simple slight change in visual and phrasing, which shows how impressionable and retarded most of you faggots truly are.
>>533994532I'm going to press red because I don't want to die. If people want to potentially kill themselves by pressing blue that's their responsibility.
>>533994532there is literally no logical or ethical reason for red. normies understand the implied effect of mass murder by pushing red. golen rule normies always outnumber talmudic jew reds in any sample size >2, that's why blue always wins. redniggers lost and got raped by trannies lmfao no amount of bump limit threads will cope
>>533994532Blueggers are presented with the same binary choice that redchads are, they digested it, and decided against logic and reason that they want to press it regardless. It is not my moral obligation to save blueggers from themselves.
>>533994532Red fags are just mad that humans are inherently good, it makes them seethe with rage
>>533995256Your entire premise ignores the original sin of blueggers making the conscious, willful decision to press blue. What is the reason that anyone should decide to press blue?Make your case.
>>533994532reddit meme of the year
Imagine if the prisoners dilemma had an option that said "pick this option and you go free right now." Obviously both prisoners would choose it and go free. That's the red button. The blue button is choosing to play the prisoners dilemma anyway, despite there being an option to avoid the dilemma entirely and have assured freedom for everyone. Picking blue isnt just stupid, its psychopathic.
>>533995256Bluefags might outnumber reds in real life, but, that's exactly why our culture is on a suicidal track. The people who overwhelmingly support mass migration, low fertility, feminism, welfare statism, and other forms of civilization destructionist, would press blue. Inherent to your proposition is the idea that bluefags think they'll win and so don't view pressing blue as a genuine sacrifice in the first place; it's just a virtue signal to their cultish hivemind.
>>533994532I would happily die right now if God would allow it. I pray for it daily. Blue is objectively better.
I press blue because it makes people that I hate angry.
>>533995256spbp low IQ reds will still proclaim to be right tho
>>533995572>>533995757choosing red is the equivalent to picking up the gun, like letting a violent criminal loose on the public is in no way rational or reasonable
>>533995921>voting starts>no one has pressed blue yet>you decide to be the first to press blueWhy?
>>533994532Ok I'll bite. Say you press red and red actually wins. Whatever percentage you want from 51% to 90%, what now? How does the world look like, do you even know? If you win with let's say 51% then 49% of people are dead, great. Who is alive now? Are most white people dead and now you have all the brown hordes running at you with murderous intent? Maybe all the Indians are dead and half the Chinese. Surely you must have known how the world would end up when you pressed red. Otherwise all you intelligent people would not have pressed it, right? All I hope is that you didn't get all the doctors around you killed cause you were so right to press red. Or the lights don't go out, or the food doesn't run out.
>>533995521Choosing to push the "maybe you die" button instead of the "you live" button isnt altruistic; its retarded. At best you misunderstand the question and are erroneously applying the same logic as you would to the prisoners dilemma. At worst you are a troll trying to convince as many people as possible to kill themselves because you understand completely. In the prisoners dilemma you are asked if you should rat on your fellow inmate to make a deal for yourself, but your flow inmate has the same option. The best outcome is that you both have faith in the other and dont talk. But here there is no downside to pushing the red button. Pushing it doesnt force someone else to push blue. Pushing it doesnt mean if someone else pushes it then you no longer live. Its a very simple choice between definitely getting the best outcome and maybe getting the best outcome. Its as if the prisoners dilemma offered you a choice to simply walk free right now without ratting out the other guy, and a bunch of retards are trying to convince you that thats the wrong choice.
>>533994532Why is this shit getting spammed here?
>>533996018Makes zero sense. Blueggers put themselves into the path of the gun, and their own finger is on the trigger.
>>533995757>Bluefags might outnumber reds in real life,that's all we need to hear, redditfaggot. blue is self evident to pick unless you're reptilian
>>533994532*presses blue button anyways*I'm sorry, but I want you and your family to live.
>>533995521*boop*
>>533994532the vote is wrong, you should boycott the votethis is just the elites again, dividing you guys up, and you all gobble it up like the cocksuckers you areyou disgust me, all of you
>>533994532The blue argument is that about half of very small children will die from not understanding the question, unless most people push blue.
>>533996110The argument for blue is that it's the moral choice to lay down your life for your brother. Which is kinda what Jesus said. I was ardently red, but I'm starting to come around.
>>533994532And even if red were "selfish".The chances the end score will differ only by one is astronomically small.So the chances of you impacting the outcome in a meaningful way is equally astronomically small.
>>533994532red is for talmudic jews
>>533996116>Why is this shit getting spammed here?Because it's a cryptocurrency scam.Many of the memes that get spammed here repeatedly are cryptocurrency scams.There is an organised group of chinks who have been doing this for years now.Mods don't understand
>>533996344What is the incentive to ever consider pressing the blue button?
If anything this shows voting is ultimately deeply retarded by nature and only the market makes sense to coordinate individual actions.The twitter poll is also stupid as you can change your behavior based on how the poll is going, if you did a single voting round where results are shown at the end then the results would be widely different
>>533996197I pressed red, I'm already going to live. My family will too because they're not retarded. Your saviour complex was unfounded, you now die for nothing.
>>533996492Jesus said so.
>>533994532Virtually every single Indian, and virtually every single Chinaman will pick red.So that's nearly 3 billion votes for red already.Red is the only rational choice.
>>533996186Retardation is self evident? Yeah, I suppose that's true. There's a reason that for 99% of history, "majority rules" wasn't a thing. Because the majority is retarded.
>>533996555Say you're the first person to consider pressing it. No one else has. Looking at the nature of the question are your reasons for ever considering pressing blue?
>>533996051I tell you, if you tell me how you count the refusal, the disobedient. People who just fold in front of this choice and are unable to perform the tasks. People to lazy to read the instructions ignoring it, as well as the people who take inaction as the superior moral high ground. Are those automatic blue or red pushers?
>>533996125>b-blues m-m-made me p-pull the t-t-triggerthis is how foolish you sound
>>533994532blue-button-pushers>"Let's work together">Establishes partnerships to achieve more than he could alone >Emotional core: Hope>Tolerates risk when there is benefit to himself or others>"I don't want them to suffer like I did.">Is defeated when deceived into trusting a Red and inevitably betrayed >Responds poorly to coercion, uses trust and cooperation to overthrow slavers>Tries to cultivate fellow Blues to create a community>Willing to risk his own life for the right causered-button-pushers:>"Fuck you, I got mine">Pretends to be a Blue while not actually contributing anything>Emotional core: Contempt>Pathologically risk-averse>"I suffered so why shouldn't they?">Is defeated when Blues identify him and exclude him from the fruits of their labors>Can be coerced to contribute - an ideal slave because his paranoia and selfishness prevent him from organizing a rebellion>Tries to poison others into becoming Reds purely out of spite; knows this will eradicate the structures he depends on to survive; can't help himself >Thinks anything with a non-zero chance of death is a "suicide cult"
i originally thought this was like 500000x as interesting as it really was because i thought red only spared you if LESS than 50% of people pressed it, which would lead to a classic game theory thingbut in this version where there is no downside to pressing red, the experiment isnt interesting
>>533996532>My family will too because they're not retarded.You have no way of knowing this. I press the blue button again. I absolve you and your hatred for man.
>>533994532>it shows how important language, phrasing, and imagery areImdeed it does - watch this:-If you pick blue, everybody lives-If you pick red, you murder everyone who picks blue. Jackass.
>>533995256Getting rid of all the white people with suicidal empathy would save us from extinction. Even if we lost 95% of the white population, we would still come out ahead.
>>533995256why does you red and majority red mean hell prison planet? picking red says nothing about trust because there's no reason not to pick it
>>533996623If I don't press blue, someone else will press it and I'm obligated to follow Christ's teachings.If we live, we go forward unified as a species that chose blue to help one another.If we die, all us bluebois will be reunited in heaven for following this foundational doctrine of Christ.
>>533996714Red.
>>533996696Of course I know it. I asked them and they said they'd pick red. RIP fag.
>>533996721this
>>533996676Not an argument. Your analogy makes zero sense. blueggers put themselves into harm’s way when they had no reason for ever doing so, and then pikachuface when that choice has a potential to backfire. There is no downside, no risk when hitting red, so what is the incentive to ever consider pressing blue?
>>533995521Underrated post
>>533996051If 4,149,999,998 people pressed blue and 4,150,000,002 pressed red my press on red didn't so shit.I couldn't save anyone by pressing blue, it would just be 4,149,999,999 vs 4,150,000,001.All I would achieve is killing myself.And if the world really turns out that bad I can always kill myself afterwards.
>>533995256Dont care, pressing red
>>533996714When I said phrasing I meant rephrasing the original idea, not just making up a completely different scenario.
>>533996641I would imagine that those who refuse to press either button die on the spot. Essentially you are compelled at the threat of death. Now if you are asking what all those people do end up pressing when they are forced then I don't know. Only they do.
>>533996051Any whites who pressed blue fully support white genocide anyway, we would be better off without them.
>>533996721lmao who are you kidding - if the entire world was made up of cowardly sociopathic redtards, you would nuke each other into oblivion within a week.>hurr durr but muh guaranteed suirvivalI'd rather be dead than living in a world populated solely by redtards anyway
>>533996110The red button is the inverse of the blue button, and vice versa. The red button is the murder button.
>>533994532>nothing happensThats not how it works
>>533994532the colors are political. If you made them purple and orange, you'd get different results. or said button a or button b.
>>533996818*presses blue button a third time*I guess some won't ever understand.. at least not in this lifetime..
>>533996683Blue button pushers:>Join a suicide cult>"The only way we can survive the suicide cult we just joined, is if enough other people join it, too"Red pressers:>"If I press red I live">Presses red
>>533996963I'm sure the Jonestown guys said the same shit.
>>533996781So without any other information, and incentive you would enter into a possible suicide pact with people who have not yet entered into it. I sincerely doubt that, but maybe you have suicidal tendenciesYou are gambling your life on the possibility that someone might gamble theirs because Jesus said so?Cite chapter and verse where in the Bible Christ, or God calls upon his followers to enter into a suicide pact.
>>533994532You are all very pathetic people for caring about this stupid shit this much. Forget about the button none of you will ever have sex with a woman and that should upset you more. How about all of you press a gun against your heads instead of buttons
>>533996969It's an attempt at saving my fellow man, even those who would attempt suicide by button.
the bluekek fears the woodchipper
>>533996954Pretty much this.
>>533997060Blue coded post
this psyop is boringunsubscribe
>>533996838if you can't come up with any number of reasonable explanations for why the majority of people pick blue then that's a skill issue. you're free to genuinely ask and receive an answer you know? you just have to admit you aren't as smart as you think you are first
Blue is the only option. Stop being selfish and letting the game just work for you.
>>533996954talmud reds have absolutely no response to any rephrasing of the dilemma. normies have sussed out the spiritual jews from the humans with this meme
>>533997060>How about all of you press a gun against your headsI'm not blue. No thanks.
>>533997060Also this, BUT don't kys... just talk with girls.
>>533996954Pressing the red button doesn't actively cause anything to happen. Pressing red doesn't kill anyone, or force anyone to press blue. So yes, it is how it works. If it wasn't anyone would be able to articulate a point without immediately resorting to emotional statements or quoting the bible. Literally not a single bluefag has put forth a coherent argument.
>>533996858It's almost as if this whole thing isn't exclusively reliant on a single guy. The thing says about a big vote not "You choose the fate of everyone on your own". And a factor in this is that you don't know the result beforehand, you have to make a choice based on that.>And if the world really turns out that bad I can always kill myself afterwards.Which also changes the result of the vote, no matter how small, because you voted against blue. And with that reasoning so did others. We don't know how many around the world but we know some thought exactly like you. You would have to take that into account as well.
>>533997017*compassionately pats you on the head with sad eyes*I forgive you
>>533997123It's not even about the majority picking blue. It's about believing that it's inevitable someone will pick blue, and the only way to help them is to pick blue as well.
>>533997123I’m curious about the first person to decide to ever press blue. What exactly is the incentive to ever press it at the start?
>>533997166I've responded to every single "argument" bluefags have put forth, and bluefags have zero articulate, logical responses. They just accuse reds of being sociopaths or quote bible verses. Bluefags are the quintessential herd minded feminine emotional thinkers that think believing strongly makes you right. I've not yet seen a single person answer the often asked, simple question, "Why would anyone actually press the blue button in the first place?". Are you going to be the first?
>>533994532I wonder which race mostly picked red and which race mostly picked blue. I think I could guess, but it would be nice to be verified in my guess.
>>533994532>I suspect no onethe image is supposed to invoke gambling excitement
>>533996954>has to change the hypothetical entirely to claim victory
>>533997074>18 percent of people would jump into a woodchipper only to save people who voluntarily jumped into a woodchipper for no reason, with their sole hope for survival being that enough people are as stupid as them and also voluntarily jump into a woodchipper for no reason Kek
>>533994532>Press Red Button>Your empire crumbles>Israel gets even more of your tax money>New forever war in the middle east>Global economy collapsesBUT AT LEAST we didnt press they hypothetical Blue button that could possibly maybe hypothetically kill us!
>>533995256If everyone pressed Red, no one would die.
>>533994532You're smart enough to know a lot of people are retarded and are going for the blue. It's the wrong choice but you know they're going to pick it anyway. Knowing that, do you feel any responsibility to help the retards out?
>>533996929Cool, pray tell how many though? It makes a difference how many. If 99.9% of whites pressed blue now you are left alone with all the indians and the pakis and what else. Do you feel better off? There has to be a safe cutoff, something like 5% let's say. You chose the number, and then feel confident that it will be beneficial in the end.
>>533997399And yet, if only 51% of people pick blue, no one will die.
>>533997303It's horseshoe theory, I'm sure. Low IQ browns and chinks would pick red because it's basic survival instinct and they probably didn't even consider the philosophy. Midwit whites pick blue because they're capable of thinking a bit harder about it, getting wrapped up in emotional nonsense they injected into it, and then not smart enough to see the logic in choosing red. High IQ whites choose red because they thought about it, actually understand all the implications, the math, and the lack of reasoning for choosing blue. So, if red won the world would be full of browns and high IQ whites.
>>533996954the people that larp as blue either wouldn't actually, or would then start targeting reds and trying to kill them
>>533997250In the experiment you don't know you are the first. You aren't privy to that information. Presumably nobody knows the results until everyone has anonymously voted
>>533995256You assume God will punish people who pressed red. He won't. Suicide is a graver sin than murder. It is the gravest sin, period, because you can't repent for it. The red guy who killed millions can repent, the blue one who talked everyone he knows into reenacting Jonestown will be destined to hell.
>>533997341Those probably just want to commit suicide
Every post in this thread is from a botthis is a slide thread
>>533995521What is the reason for pushing the blue button when the red exist?
>>533996683Jesus has bad philosophy so this checks out
>>533994532This isnt even a good game. But obviously the red button is the best one, Its like MAID to the ones who pressed blue anyways in a sense.
>>533997409No, I don't gamble and I don't join cults.
>>533997250Because someone you love will push blue, guaranteed. Are you willing to murder them?On second thought, nvm, nobody loves you and vice versa, I'm sure. Go ahead and push red - smarter, more empathetic people will save you from yourself, like we always do.
>>533997133pressing red literally works for everyone not just oneself. you're the retard who selfishly wants everyone to follow your arbitrary demands despite that being the clearly suboptimal choice. you are literally the very thing you are complaining about and condemning others for.
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>>533994532I dont really get the dilemma, you get 0 reward both cases, one has risk of death the other 0 risk.Litterally if you want to risk death for potential 0 (zero) reward, Darwin would agree you should die no question.
>>533997467pressing red is no different than picking up a gun and killing them yourself. if there is an afterlife you will burn in hell. you cannot lie to the omnipresent
>>533994532Oh I found the original question I was confused
>>533997288>Why would anyone actually press the blue button in the first place?Its a matter of principles, we dont lack transcendent values like redfags do. Those values are more important than even death itself.
>>533997435Ok? Do you not understand the risk is zero for picking red? How is such a basic concept lost upon you?
>>533997520>Are you willing to murder them?They are murdering themselves by pressing blue.
>>533997541>100% must pick red to survive>versus 50.00001% must pick blue to surviveyou're right there is an easy optimal solution
>Why yes I unconditionally accept your hypothetical question that implies there is no downside for voting conservative even if reality itself directly refutes thisRed button pushers won in the real world and have less than nothing to show for it.
>>533995256>at best 80 more years suffering on this forsaken loosh farmyour pic rel is a whole lot of words and mental gymnastics to tell everyone you’re suicidal and depressedno wonder you’re a bluecel
Bluefags = vaxxies
>>533995757Bluefags will outnumber redfags in a per country vote because of things like nationalism and common identity. But in a global vote this is just a gun put to the head of white people with the trigger thoroughly in the control of non-whites who vastly outnumber them. The non-whites who for decades had to listen to white people telling them how evil white people and white countries are.
>>533997467>You assume God will punish people who pressed red.why does /pol/ consistently fail this hypothetical?>if you could rape and kill a baby without facing any consequences at all, would you?>/pol/:OMG YOU WOULD BE A FOOL NOT TO DO IT, THERE IS LITERALLY NO CONSEQUENCE AND YOU ARE SAYING YOU *WOULDN'T* DO IT?!?! MY LOGIC DICTATES THAT YOU MUST DO IT, THERE SIMPLY IS NO CHOICE HERE!
>>533997381>Press red button to live>third world presses red button to live>Reddit presses blue button to moralfag>reddit dies>Western world can now work on fixing shit without easily manipulated midwits constantly sabotaging everything.
>>533997603>Do you not understand the risk is zero for picking red? Is it? If you win you get to live in a world you don't know. Meaning potentially 49% of people are dead. How does the world look now my guy? Do you even have electricity one week from the vote?
>>533997603My risk for picking blue is 0 though because it's in line with Christ's teachings of laying down your life for your brother. If we survive, we are united in harmony, if we die, we are united with Jesus.I actually face more risk of damnation with picking red.
>>533996018>Selecting to preserve oneself over others, in line with the most fundamental laws of nature and evolution that exist, and the driving force of all living things, is irrational!shut the fuck up, pseud NPC nigger--you do not know what "reason" is.
>>533997520If someone I care about joined a suicide cult I'd certainly be sad, but, I wouldn't also join the same cult. If someone I cared about got addicted to drugs, I'd be sad, but I wouldn't start taking the same drugs, etc. People like you don't understand this line of thinking because your entire personality hinges on performative virtue signaling.
>>533997574>57.9% of people are shallow thinking narcissistic retards obsessed with their own appearance who only picked blue because they want to virtue signal about how good and altruistic they think they are instead of understanding the situation or actually being altruisticI expected nothing else. I already knew the state of the world.
>>533997729Thats an insane strawman dude, and bringing it up unprompted makes me think someone needs to check your hard drive.
>>533997451Hedging your bet and pressing blue just because you’re worried someone else might isn’t an actual reason for pressing blue. When presented with the binary choice of pressing a button with zero risk, and another button that carries the risk of a possible death sentence, what motivates a person to sign up for that where no other incentive exists?
>>533996911Assume the buttons are a switch and you can adjust it before the game ends, the logical default position, the inaction, is red and you know it.Otherwise blue wouldn't loose. Blue only ever wins, if the sample size is small. If the auto set is blue, then blue wins, why actively persue change?If you murder everyone who doesn't want to choose, we should fight it all together, as the game is immoral.
>>533997559A thief can go to heaven, in fact a thief is one of the only people we know for sure is in heaven. But someone who commited suicide can't. The red button can't kill anyone if nobody presses the blue button. It is your choice to die, not mine. I literally can't do anything to end your life if you don't want to die, the power is all in your hands.
>>533997579What principles? Why can none of you cultish freaks articulate an actual line of reasoning? The line of reasoning for red is very simple:>red = 100% chance of survival>blue = <100% chance of survivalCommon sense suggests most people won't pointlessly risk their life with no benefit. You apparently would, so my question is, once again, why?
I do not pick blue out of a desire for death. I solemnly pick it as the only option to potentially save my brother who does.
>>533994532Red press faggots fail to understand entropy, the most sacred law of the universe.If we, as living organisms, fail to achieve civilization by dismantling our ability for collectivism, the only path left for humanity is barbarism and ultimately extinction.The button issue is the great filter. By working together instead of taking an individualistic "easy path" we can overcome it. That is the ONLY way to overcome it.Red pressers are NPCs who don't care where their next breakfast comes from. White people, the civilization builders, will always press blue even at a risk to ourselves.Because what point is there in living if we can't conquer the universe anyway? Never choose the easy answer, for it is always the jewish one. Entropy is an unavoidable, iron law.
>>533997755Depends on the circumstances. Like if everybody got a button with an explanation and was told they had a week to think about it i think majority of the world would choose blue. They chose blue during covid
>choosing "maybe you live" button over "maybe you die" button
>>533997922Then explain why modern liberal women, the architects of national erasure in white countries, overwhelmingly choose blue?
>>533997520>your loved one signed up for a suicide pact>so you have to as well or you’re a bad personNo.
>>533995256>Bluefags are also christurdsMakes perfect sense
Alright bluefags, at what percantage required to not die do you cease to be a bluefag?51%?63%?98%?
>>533997860>Assume the buttons are a switch and you can adjust it before the game ends, the logical default position, the inaction, is red and you know it.Nope, this hypothetical is applied to the real world and the real world is full of contradictions and emotions and stupidity and whatever else. You can't think logically and expect everyone else to do the same. You have to think what is plausible not what you wish were true. Then you act accordingly.>If you murder everyone who doesn't want to choose, we should fight it all together, as the game is immoral.The implication is that you have to choose. Maybe those that don't want to press a button are forced by a cosmic force to press what they want to press more even if they don't admit it to themselves. It really isn't that deep though. Everyone presses something.
>>533997954Well when you make it a social thing it becomes "press blue to save everybody pressing blue" or "press red to stay out of it" . But in reality there would be a way bigger social issue with it
>>533998068It's not a suicide pact, it's volunteering at Lifeline to help those who see no way forward. There is, of course, the risk that someone will burst through the doors at the Lifeline office and shoot everyone there, but sometimes that's a risk worth taking.
>>533997949Putting on the mask didn't kill you. Getting the Moderna vaxxx only killed you with a very low chance, lower than even the non-issue that was the coof itself. If people knew that something was at best a cointoss in terms of survival they wouldn't pick it. Every parent on the planet would tell their kids to press red even if they themselves pressed blue.
>You are in a group of 10 friends out at a house party>Traintracks are near the house>You have the option to leave the house and stand in front of the train>If you do, you will die>If more than 5 people come with you, the conductor will see you on the tracks and avoid hitting you>The train doesn't actually stop, you never see the train, you cannot see if anyone came with you, and the world is in a magic state where nothing else at all changes depending on whether you stayed at the party or stood in front of the train>There is no reward for standing in front of the train. You have nothing to gain. You won't even be allotted a thrill as the fog is too dense to see anything and you are inebriated enough to not remember anything happenedI'm not Indian so I'll stay inside.>>533995256This is the most white liberal female savior complex post I have read in my life. Next you're going to tell us about how you plan on doing a peace walk through Afghanistan.
>>533997910Because I want to save everyone.
>>533998009>Then explain why modern liberal women, the architects of national erasure in white countries, overwhelmingly choose blue?You don't know that, retard. You don't know what a single person other than yourself pressed. You just write /pol/ platitudes in an effort to garner sympathy for a non-argument that you can't even prove. In fact, it sounds like you think blue = democrats and red = republicans.You haven't understood the first thing about the real test and I fear you are too retarded to ever understand it, voiding any reason to further this exchange.
>>533998135It is always good to lay down one's life for your brother, as Jesus taught. Only at 101% would I pick red, as blue, in that case, is actually suicide.
Well what if 2% of the population lied about pressing blue to save everybody but in reality they pressed red so then 48% of the entire earth dies out so that 2% of the population can control the rest
>>533994532Leftists can’t help themselves, secretly, subconsciously they want to die.The worlds isn’t perfect , I must escape and everyone else must die too.Meanwhile the Jews at the top are happily counting bodies and cash.
>>533997074In IRL, it wouldn't be 20-80, it's 0-100, because it's immediately obvious.This is probably why "monkey see, monkey do" actually exists.These people legit are too stupid for themselves, and constantly require guidance from another, and putting it that way, is definitely less wrong than acting as if everybody knows what's best for themselves, which is rarely the case, but at least most (though not all) knows what's (not) deadly to them.
>>533998380You bet your ass the powers that be would fund the Blue lobby in specific countries where they want to maximize fatalities.
>>533997922>Red pressers are NPCsbasically this. reds are failed human beings because palantir can model their binary thought pattern with 100% accuracy whereas blues break the ZOG system by trusting humanity and leaving their fate to chance. blues won. reds lost and got raped by the tranny named eric.
>>533998296Just identifying as a democrat shows those beliefs, dumbbell
>>533998135That matters though. Right now the question says 51%. I press blue. If you change 51% to 90% then sorry but red it is. Not only because the percentage is worse for me but because it is worse for many others as well. So lots of people flip from blue to red and so do I. Maybe at 60% i still press blue, maybe. But anything higher and I don't like those odds for anything. Remember, this isn't just a cointoss that you say you skew the percentages, you have to take in account how others view it as well. Every percentage point skewed loses blue votes, it stops being a moral choice and it becomes a mathematical one.Same goes for opposite, if blue needs only 10% votes to win then blue wins by a landslide because people aren't as afraid to chose it. They seem the risk as extremely minimal.
>>533998211>>533998290Your nations specifically have legalized assisted suicide which is supported by the majority. Therefore, if the vote were held, your neighbors (and specifically your neighbors) are voting against you, as they believe people should be able to end their lives.As you have taken a position that you are willing to die to save people from suicide, explain why you believe your vote will work when your neighbors are actively working against you yet you've never once stood against them to correct things before you saw what you considered a funny twitter post.
>>533997922You'd be right if it were 1960. Right now we're dealing with suicidal empathy and outgroup preference. People willing to destroy themselves for others who don't appreciate nor deserve that help. It's like a toxic relationship where no matter how hard you try to help someone they just keep dragging you down with them. Sometimes the correct and moral option is to cut someone off and refuse to help them. Think of how many people have been raped or murdered in europe because of self proclaimed empathetic, moral people letting everyone in to help them. Think of how badly their civilization has been beaten and fractured, and how low trust it's become.The correct way to conquer the stars isn't to constantly extend a hand to everyone, it's to give that person the means to pick themselves up. If they choose not to, then it's their choice. Forcing them too and breaking your back will only destroy you and everything you've worked to build. They have a red button right in front of them they can press, if they don't want to press it, then forcing them too by jumping in the woodchipper is just going to kill you. If not then, then later after the people you just saved drag your civilization down with them.
>>533995256>there is literally no logical or ethical reason for red.Ensuring survival is neither ethical nor logical?
>>533997060I had sex last night Bluecuck
>>533998533Yeah, also what this mongoloid introduces in his tweet is the ability to see what others choose in real time which absolutely matters. Blind vote vs real time numbers skews the result by a lot.
>>533994532Choice becomes quite easy when you realize how nons will without a doubt press blue.
>>533998569And this is exactly what is happening, only weak people want big government ( collectivism ). The government wants sheep not wolves ( individualists ).
>>533998296Of course I know that, it's basic logic. Modern liberal women overwhelmingly support policies that align with "blue" logic; anti-natalism, veneration of foreigners over nation, pathological opposition to pragmatic decision making, extremely emotional, agreeableness and in-group virtue signaling, etc. Everything bluefags argue on this site I've seen argued by white liberal women everywhere its not discussed anonymously. I don't think blue = "democrats" I think blue = pathologically self destructive cultish retards, which white liberal western women are a major part of.
>>533997834And yet despite your sound logic there are still perfectly good reasons you would press blue. Why is that you think?
>>533998569Oh definitely it would be large scale propaganda "Press Blue be a hero" Jimmy Kimmel would be crying about how proud he is of blue button people
>>533998608I specifically voted against legalised suicide. But this has inspired me to look at volunteering at Lifeline.
>>533998211How exactly is it not a suicide pact when presented with the binary choice, and selecting for the risk of death?What precisely is the incentive for ever pressing the blue button where no other such incentive exists? If someone makes the choice to jump off a bridge, or stand on a set of train tracks, or holds a loaded gun to their head, you certainly try to talk them away from their decision, but you do not join them.The result is ultimately on them, and it is one they will have to answer to God for.
>>533997882The red button can also not kill anyone if everyone presses the blue button. Nobodies life has to be threatened if you look beyond selfish reasoning and choose blue
>>533998397Can someone please explain to me what is this red button vs blue button thing I see all over pol?What is it?Who started it?When?Why is it influential.Thank you, anons.
>>533994532if everyone coordinates to push blue, nobody dies at all.If most people push red, billions of loser bluefags will die. I guess they deserve to die though; they could've just pushed red. Basically, the only reason to push blue is to save those retards who already pushed blue for whatever reason made sense in their head. If nobody was retarded, we'd all just pick red and be done with it
>>533996781Christ preached against suicide.
>>533998785>there are still perfectly good reasons you would press blueAnd those would be?
>>533998837Yeah im having a hard time finding any reason to hit blue
>>533998781They cant compete or win in direct confrontation , so they use the subversive, just look at the way women argue
>>533995854>I press blue because it makes people that I hate angry.It only makes me angry because I know people like you vote for equally retarded virtue signalling shit in normal elections. I would be happy if you actually have to suffer the consequences of your own retardation.
>>533995256>Do nothing, nothing happensOr>Press the button to start the magic death machine, if enough of us press it though it will be the same thing as if we do nothing !You'd fall for any fucking evil manufactured consensus crisis. Remember, if you didn't take the cardiotoxin, you're killing grandma, and also all of us who are supposedly protected somehow.
>>533994532
>>533998837It would be interesting to take away the "50% blue votes saves all bluefags" clause. It would then become a simple binary: red = live, blue = die. Guarantee if you posed it like this, SOME people would still choose blue, even if it was just regular suicide. The point of this would be to demonstrate that bluefags aren't actually saving anyone, they're just pathologizing the idea that some people genuinely want to die (or pretend they do) and acting like we're all morally obligated to risk dying to stop them. Red pressers actually respect the autonomy of bluefags who wish to gamble their life on their choice. It's only bluefags who claim a position of moral superiority or imperative, because like all cultists, they rely on guilt and manipulation to compensate for the fact that their ideas are fucking deranged lunacy and immediately and viscerally contradict basic common sense.
>>533998908The answer is obvious. The riddle is fictitious, you don't die either way. So the only point of this poll is to virtue signal either 'rationality' or righteousness/whiteness/mercy.So pick what you want to signal
>press the red button to send a red heifer to israel, and usher in the 3rd temple and the end of the worldYeah, the blue side is the death cult
>>533996110AND the fact that many people choose blue goes to show how fucked in the head Westerners / Japanese are. We're surrounded by fucking death cultists."It is precisely when a civilization is about to expire that its inhabitants are most convinced of its permanence and its inevitable progress... the liberal death wish is the ideology of a society that has lost its faith and is seeking its own destruction."
>>533998159Interesting, so you can not define a default position. Well there is nothing you can do to make me choose a button, even if you threaten to kill me.Yet purely from logic, only blue button promoters will ever entertain the threat of death for those who don't like to choose. Because they are the ones, that desperately need everyone to push blue and go with their choice, even threatening death, like their life depends on it.
>>533996344It's not moral to potentially start the process which maybe kills everyone in the first place
>>533998894>Christ preached against suicideHe also preached against virtue signaling. And blue button pushers are suicidal, narcissistic, virtue signalers.
>>533997520>murderThere is no murder in this situation. There is only suicide. You do not have a moral obligation to jump into a woodchipper to save someone who jumped into a woodchipper of their own free will.
>>533998876Let him who has never been retarded at least once in his life push the red button.
Inorganic meme
>>533995854This is actually the only rational bluefag
>>533994532OC
>>533999058Aren't the right the ones using prayer to virtue signal?
>>533998868>What is it?A ethics thought experiment. Everyone is presented with a red and a blue button. If you press the red button but the majority pick blue. Everyone gets to live. If instead you press red and the majority press red as well everyone who pressed blue dies.>Who started it?Don't know. Probably it's an older question remixed and from what I have anecdotally seen it's coming from Xitter.>When?In like the past week>Why is it influential.Because it's a moral problem that red button pressers struggle with. They cannot see beyond ruthless selfish pragmatism and can't reason about it on a deeper level. Blue arguments typically include arguments of theology or philosophy
>>533999147Other OC
>>533999148Only the fake Christians, which there are many.
>>533999153> Blue arguments typically include arguments of theology or philosophy*Baseless appeals to emotion or strawmen nonsense*I've argued, in good faith, every single bluefag argument posted that I've seen, and not a single time has one of you responded in kind. You just immediately resort to wokescolding or quoting the bible. It's just cultish behaviour through and through.
>>533998868Original question
>>533998837I press blue knowing I might die, but knowing I increase the chance of saving anyone who did press blue.Blue is the Christian choice. Red is Scientology.
>>533998876>I guess they deserve to die though; they could've just pushed redGreat, now 10.000 electricians near you are dead, the grid collapses and you suffer the consequences. Pressing red does something. You win and you kill millions of good and useful people. The statistics won't be the eugenics you think will be. Ponder this too, who is more likely to press red, and Indian or a Norwegian? In a three way scenario where the Norwegian presses blue and the Indian red, your vote now decides who you are left with. Both of them or only the Indian. But there is a risk, choose now.
>>533996197Good thing me and my family pressed red, so we will survive for sure.
>>533999283I wish I could see voter breakdown by sex and ethnicity
>>533999196Trumps a fake Christian.
>>533994532I get the idea of the exercise. The point is that blue is for everyone's good, while red is "fuck you, got mine"Red does have a drawback if you are the type of person who, agnostic of all other factors like criminality, morality, or whatever might move the needle as far as "deserving" to live, doesn't want people to die. In the interest of preserving the lives of the retards who vote blue, one might be compelled to press the blue button.But what if you don't care? What if you believe it's everyone else's responsibility to look out for their own best interest? Nothing's stopping other people from pressing the red button, so why wouldn't they? Morality doesn't really weigh in, here, unless you're saying the suicidal ideations of the blue group are everyone's responsibility.
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>>533999283Blue choice>murder or suicideRed choice>everyone lives no matter whatIt's a nigger test basically
>>533999249If you don't believe in philosophy then I won't bother presenting arguments to a moron
It's amazing how so many people fundamentally misunderstand the premise of the question. There is no discussion, no time to convince or advocate. You make the choice in solitude without input and output from others. Imagine, before any discussion of this red vs. blue took place, you woke up one day and were presented with the choice to pick one of the options. Think what you AND others might actually pick in that situation. Just because you caught on to the fact red is "risk free" for the self doesn't mean others did, this also means that red is ONLY "risk free" for the self. It is the selfish option that relies on improbable odds to avoid the actual downside to picking red (people die).
>>533994532I'm going to pick blue because I don't want innocent people to die.
>>533994532green buttonapplies after all votes are in, and doesn’t change the outcome swaps one red to have blue outcomeif no reds are left to reverse, one green receives blue outcome whatever the vote saidthreshold is 33%
>>533999363>Pressing red does something. You win and you kill millions of good and useful people. Maybe dont gable with yours and everyone's lives and just press red. I swear this test is designed to spot liberals and their tranny logic.
>>533998867You just explained, in your own words, that the red button doesn't and can't kill anyone regardless of circumstances. The only threat to your life is yourself. In front of God your answer for yourself first and foremost. Not playing a charity game of Russian roulette isn't selfish, it's responsible and grateful to God and your parents for the life you'd been given.
>>533994532everyone who even thought of pressing blue needs to have all rights stripped from them. They can't be classed as sentient.
>>533999496
>>533999363The fact is that people are naturally selfish and most would rather ensure their own survival 100%. Meaning that red will win, guaranteed. I have no doubt. Like I want to save the blues, but I know I just can't and I'll only die too. So if you don't want to die (and there's not a coordinated effort to make everyone vote blue), you pick red
Here's DeepSeek's answer:>5. Which button would I press?>I would press Red, without hesitation. Here’s why:>It guarantees my survival.>If everyone follows the same reasoning, everyone survives, with zero risk. There is no collective downside.>Pressing Blue is a risky gamble that offers no improvement over the all-Red outcome—it only introduces the possibility of catastrophic, unnecessary death.>The only “benefit” of pressing Blue is to rescue hypothetical Blue-pressers who are already acting against their own self-interest. But the best way to save them is for the entire population to recognise that Red is the unambiguously safe, collectively optimal choice—not to join them in a risky, fragile coordination attempt.>In short, Red is the only button that aligns individual rationality with collective optimality without any trade-off. The problem becomes a “dilemma” only when we mistakenly import the logic of public-goods games (where free-riding harms the group) into a structure where the safe option is already a fully cooperative, globally optimal strategy.
>>533996765Holy ESL akshit.
>>533999153You mean blue pressers can't accept that blue is an inherently immoral choice and keep trying to lure people into their suicide pact.
>>533994532>not pressing blue because you know your dumbass ex gf pressed blue
*presses neither**wins*
>>533995256The vax hysteria amounted to the majority of normies trying to ruin refusers/skeptics and some literally wishing death upon them for the sake of avoiding a bad cold.
>>533996116Forced memes used to appear on 4chan first. It has to get legs here before it's considered legit anywhere else
>>533995521>what is prisoners dilemma
>>533999537>>533999609see >>533995256 because you obviously don't get it
>>533999125The red button blue button phrasing originates from Tim Urban, an MKUltra jew, so yes. But it is revealing about the weaknesses that destroy the goyim.
>>533999647They don't call him Winnie for nothing
>>533994532>>533995256A true high trust society exists when you can be confident everyone will intuit the most moral answer is red because nothing bad happens. What many people don't realize is that blue-pickers are suicidal psychopaths, and the only reason to pick blue would be to save them from themselves. Blues are better off gone so we can live without their hateful minds.
>>533999341>I too jumped off the bridge with the bridge jumpers, knowing I might die.
>>533996941>The red button is the murder button.There is no 100% to kill someone. Thats why its not vice versa.
>>533999363Even if all white people vote blue it's not gonna tip the scale whatsoever since there's so few of them. Voting blue is voting for white extinction because in a global vote non-whites will vote red by definition. You just made the best argument against your own position.
>>533999709>hateful blue people must die for showing unswerving devotion to a higher goodness>yes i am totally normal
>>533999520Convinced me brother, now go convince all the other billions of people that you need alive for the world to be not a hell hole.You can't think of this only as a single press, you have to take into account all the other people and what that might entail. You are not alone in this world, you need others whether you like it or not. This whole thing is not a matter of morality, it's a matter of arithmetics. You have to choose what you think has the best odds of letting the world be a place you can survive and want to live in.
>>533999409It is an anonymous vote. You psychos don't get to know who was a red or blue voter. You just die, lol.Don't blame me. You are the retards who wanted open borders and infinite shitskin parasites who would clearly vote red. Now all of a sudden you wish it was all virtuous people who put community above themselves? Too late, faggot.
I might be onto something /pol/Why do I get the feeling that this will be the April Fools event for 2027?
>>533998603>That matters though.Except it doesn't. The difference between 51% and 90% is arbitrary and irrelevant. You bluetards just do not understand the basic math of this problem.If you press the Red button, you have a 0% chance of dying, regardless of what anyone else does.If you press the Blue button, you have a positive, non-zero chance of dying that depends on what everyone else does. It doesn't matter if the chance of dying because you pressed the blue button is 50% or 99% or 0.0000001%, because they are all objectively worse odds than the 0% chance you have if you press the red button.There is no potential upside or benefit from pressing the blue button instead of the red. The best case scenario either way is that you don't die.This problem is a broken version of the normal Prisoner's Dilemma situation. Normally, the dilemma exists because there is an additional positive benefit associated with both players choosing the riskier but cooperative option, ie the prisoners get the lowest sentence (or are released) if the all choose to not testify against the others.But in this button scenario, there is no added benefit from everyone cooperatively choosing to push the blue button. The outcome when everyone takes a risk and works "cooperatively" by pressing the blue button provides no benefit over everyone acting in their own self interest and pressing the red button.There is no actual benefit to trying to achieve the cooperative outcome, because every individual player can press the red button and have the exact same outcome with no potential risk of dying. Logically and mathematically there is ZERO reason for anyone to press the blue button. The only reason people are choosing to press the blue button is out of illogical performative empathy, to try to "save" the other people who also pressed the blue button. But if everyone just pressed the red button, there would be no reason to try to save anyone.
>>533999457I "believe" in philosophy. I'm saying your arguments aren't philosophical, they're emotional appeals and strawmen.
Oh no!! I'm so scared of death!! Please help me red button!!!
>>533999680That grid makes an important mistake. Red is not choosing to kill. Blue is choosing to kill. The red button does nothing. The blue button kills you, unless you successfully convince most of humanity to join your suicide pact. Blue is immoral.
>>533995706>assured freedom for everyonebased retard completely missing the point
>>533994532People who vote blue are like your BPD girlfriend putting a gun to her head threatening to kill herself if you dont stay with her. Its the textbook "play stupid games, win stupid prizes" either blue dies, or blue kills red.
>>533999783I didn't say that, and you attributed your own hateful presumptions onto me. Much like attributing "implicit murder" to anyone who picks red. If you don't understand where your moral fault lies then you're fundamentally evil.
>>533999807>If you press the Red button, you have a 0% chance of dying,So since Trump is in power, I can't die?
>>533999816Typical suicidal leftist.
>>533999153Thank you for your answer but you did not tell me what happens if one choses the blue button.>>533999283Thank you.Holly shit! This is not a moral or ethics question at all. If there is no consequence or harm to oneself by pressing the red button and the only harm eventually happens to those who pressed blue of their own chosing, then everybody should have pressed the red button out of simple reason, common sense and self preservation. The idea that because some retards will chose to be at risk and die by pressing blue is a valid reason to join them taking the risk for no good or sensible reason in order to "cheat the system" and saved those same retards who voluntarily put themselves in the path of harm... the idea that such is somehow good or worth it is absolutely grotesque and immoral. I think most blue pushers are just not being honest for I've noticed a connection of people who follow the blue pushing dialectic and their total lack of courage in the real world when consequences start arriving.Also, red pushers are most normal men and hot girls or women well adjusted to males (strong father, boyfirend etc. relationships, perhaps even just a brother... ) while blue pushers are just scared weal men and confused girls (with no good relationships with males in their life) who want others to one day risk it all to save them and stuff because they are worth it and their lives are worth it, etc. despite being so inferior and "going under". Blue pushers I bet are not only leftards, but fucking deranged leftards.But mostly dishonest fags.
>>533999876>If you don't understand where your moral fault lies then you're fundamentally evil.Or a leftists
>>533998603So you're admitting it's about odds and not about some moralfagging. Because if it was pure moralfagging then bluefags would be ideologically committed all the way up to 99%. As other cultists say; if all the "good" bluefags die, the world ends anyway. The core bluefag logic is basically, "Your world can't survive without me, so join my cult or you'll be left in ruin either way". It's pure self-aggrandizing narcissism.
>>533999783A suicide pact is not higher goodness.
>>533999680See what, you not understanding why they don't do funeral rites for people who commited suicide? What Judas's worst sin actually was? Is this a prot thing?
>>533999590No, I never pick red unless for some reason I know 99,9% of others do too. I am not that jaded towards humanity(yet) and I recognize that I need all the blues alive to make the world into a place I want to live in. Even if someone told me beforehand that blue will lose by a small margin I still pick blue, I would rather take a quick death than hell on earth. My ancestors used to say not that long ago "I'd rather live as a free man for an hour than a slave for forty years."
>>533999283Most people are midwits.
>>533994532>>533999647Based.
>>533997701>Bluefags will outnumber redfags in a per country vote because of things like nationalism and common identityor because they are women and have all the time in the world to brainwash others into pushing the blue button
>>533999974The punishment of sin is death. You want to wager you life on blue, instead of being free from the temptation with red., that's on you.
>>533995256Vaxtards said the same thing about the vax. But in reality none have asked me if I’m vaxed.
>>533996889YOU made it a completely different scenario in your little faggot graphic by saying that "nothing happens" when the red button is pushed, as if millions wouldn't die, you fucking retard.
>>533994532Ultimately it seems the answer is to pick Red if only the mentally competent are allowed to choose, and to pick blue if children are also participating.
>>533999341Fuck off, lying jew rat.
>>533999810Then it's simple. Assume Pascal's Wager to be true. Then understand that to choose anything but blue would be illogical and also divinely wrong.
>>533999672not this thing that's for sure. Red win will change the entire world and by a lot. it's not just about you not doing any time if you act selfishly. 60% 40% red win means almost half the population is dead. but yeah its totally the same as the question where you either do 5, 10 or 0 years in prison.
>>533999856>either blue dies, or blue kills red.Blue killing red is just an impotent power fantasy the blues have. The rules clearly state the vote is anonymous. They don't get to hunt reds afterwards like they keep talking about. That is just some fan fiction they made up in their heads.
>>533999574BLACK
>>533999471Are you thinking about the lush red button and does it make you feel guilty?If you think about touching the red button, does it make you feel guilty? Imagine your hand slips and you push the red button, would you feel guilty?You walk outside of your hypothetical enforces choice szenario, the sun is shining, and nobody you know or usually meet is gone, would you still feel guilty? What if the thought comes to your mind, that everyone absolutely everyone has pushed the red button, would you still feel guilty? Would the guilt even be bareable? Why are you even alive?
>>533999410It's a test of personal responsibility, certainly. Do you put yourself in danger because someone else MIGHT, and now others have to put themselves in danger in order to save your ass? Or do you just let people deal with the consequences of their own actions?For that matter, is society more at risk if valuable members of society pick blue or pick red? If we knew the test was coming, it certainly seems like the only logical choice would be to coach as many people as possible to pick red, so that society can continue to function even if enough people are stupid or black pilled not to cooperate in a plan to all press the blue button.One thing to consider is that blues have trouble coming to terms that bad things will happen to people, whether through their own actions or through luck, and that it is a fact of life that we cannot save everyone and trying to do so comes at a cost.Blues often try to guilt trip reds about the mentally retarded or children, yet they fail to account for the fact that if they fail, they will have thrown their own life away and will no longer be able to care for their dependants. If you have children, the obvious answer is red.>>533999789Rent free, apparently. This thread has nothing to do with American politics. You are deranged.>>533999603Based, succinct, eloquent Chink AI>>533999979Yes
>>533997922>White people, the civilization builders, will always press blue even at a risk to ourselves.that's why white people gave the weapons of its destruction in the hand of the colored, huhsounds like white man has a duty to press red to CORRECT THE RECORD
>>533999787>now go convince all the other billions of people that you need alive for the world to be not a hell hole.There's no need to convince anyone of anything. Anyone who isn't a complete retard will look at this problem and immediately see that Red is the only sane choice.>This whole thing is not a matter of morality, it's a matter of arithmetics.Yes, and based on the arithmetic, the only rational choice is always to choose Red.>You have to choose what you think has the best odds of letting the world be a place you can survive and want to live in.The only people who would read the problem and choose to press the blue button are morons who are too retarded to understand the question, and people with dangerously suicidal levels of performative faux empathy, and it would objectively increase the odds of the world being a survivable place if both of those two groups voluntarily eliminated themselves.
>>534000077But nothing does happen. The only button that brings death is blue. There is no moral weight to the red button.
>>534000159It has everything to do with American politics. It is a perfect litmus test, and the person I was responding to had an American flag.
>unironic bluefagsI just wonder how many of these virtue signaling retards would actually press blue in a real scenario.No, your twitter vote is not a real scenario.
>>534000132Its designed to out liberal logic and suicidal empathy. Create a problem with the blue button, now vote blue to save the suicidal blues who gambled their lives to the devil which also means killing reds. Its that weird tranny logic too that leftists feed off of.
>>533999471>It is selfish to not press the suicide button, goy Shlomo
>>533999930What you just laid out is sort of the philosophy of Ayn Rand and Friedrich Nietzsche. The former had the concept that following rational self interest is what's best for society, and the latter condemned what h called "slave morality."
>>533999471If you put the gun to someone's head and told them to pick on the spot most would pick red because panicked animals prioritize survival. Blue only makes sense if there are public campagins, polls etc. to gauge the blue voting base and assure the population that voting blue is safe and virtuous. Even then we've seen with Trump and Brexit votes that people will lie about what they vote for if faced with societal judgment yet still not change their vote. Don't tell me you really think the twitter results would correspond to the real results in an actual life-or-death vote.
The red button was pressed, we're all immortal
>>533999974>I'd rather live as a free man for an hour than a slave for forty years."Why you chose to live as an angst retard then?
>>534000278zthe person you were responding to was me, and I didn't say anything about American politics or indicate how I voted or what policies I support. You came out of nowhere and started hurling insults and accusations.
>>534000235>But nothing does happenYeah, if you can convince 8 billion people not to worry about anyone they love pushing the blue button, nothing will happen. But you can't and you won't, and you will be a coward and a murderer.
>>534000235>I have no moral obligation to help anybodyBoomer-tier logic
>>534000159Its like those mr.beast games "does everybody split the money evenly or do you take it all yourself" obviously you're going to take as much as you can why the fuck do you have any moral obligation to help those other people playing? Its a game obviously online people are going to give you shit but deep down they know they would have done the same, everybody has problems
>>533997520>more empathetic people will save you from yourselfred doesn't need saving though you fucking retard
>>533997574And what margin of people are gonna switch here since the vote goes from public as shown to private? Blue button pressers are virtue signaling faggots and we're better off without them.
>>533999807I don't live alone in the world dipass. When the odds look good others might choose to press blue. Generally I'd like those people to survive, because usually that means that they mean well at the very least. Even if they make the "irrational" choice I still want them around. The kindly baker around the corner that greets me warmly every day or the helpful chick at work might press blue because they are well natured good people. I want them around, if blue has low odds to win I go for it. If the odds get pretty bad I change my vote and pray with all my heart that those people did as well. Numbers do absolutely fucking matter.
>>534000315>incensed by the idea that there are people who unironically care about others and humanity in general
>>533995256Actually if you press the blue button and die you would go to hell because suicide is sin and you will die unforgiven for it because you wont have time to repent.
>>534000077The red button literally causes nothing. All the death conditions are connected to the blue button. If I press the red button and everyone else presses blue, everyone lives. If I press red and less than 50% press blue, blues die. Pressing red literally does nothing. Try using your brain, fag.
>>534000374pressing blue IS virtuous though. and sometimes ethical principles requires sacrifice sometimes. but red is definitely the unsafe option. the more people who pick red the more unsafe it becomes
>>533994532Picking red is the morally correct choice. You take responsibility for safeguarding your own life, and if the blues lose, you at least reduce the casualties and therefore the survivor's guilt that the innocent reds might feel. It's wrong to put yourself in mortal danger in order to save others. Even professional rescuers and firefighters take steps to ensure their own safety before helping people in danger.
>>534000523(you)
>>534000465>But you can't and you won't, and you will be a coward and a murderer.But you're fine with all off red getting killed? Liberals are fucking RETARDED.
>>534000484https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirate_game
>>534000551blues will be venerated as holy martyrs in this life or the next
>>534000449It is clear how you voted, faggot.
>>534000465I'm more worried about someone convincing the people they love to press blue, because unlike red pressers that person is gonna be an actual murderer.
>>534000159I wonder what the results would for the following:>If you press the red button you have to give us 500 dollars which we will give back to you after the experiment.>If you press the blue button you will give us 500 dollars and if less than half of the people press the blue button you and everybody who pushed the blue button will lose those 500 dollars>However if more than half the people press the blue button all those who pressed the blue button will get 250 dollars back .
>>533999945It is partly about odds, yes. The percentages absolutely matter, however that is not the point of the post or any other post with blue/red button. That was just one guy I was answering to where he asked if numbers matter. As it stands now 51% it win for either. So work with that, not what could be if we changed percentages. 51% informs my decision on this matter.
>>533999807>Logically and mathematically there is ZERO reason for anyone to press the blue button.I'm a red presser but this isn't quite correct. From a purely logical perspective yes there isn't a reason. But also logically speaking at least some people will inevitably act illogically, because of either stupidity or performative empathy due to poor risk assesment and narcissism.Logically speaking, unless blue wins some people will die. So it becomes the following.>Do you expect blue or red to win?>After assessing point 1, are you willing to risk death to possibly avoid an undetermined amount of blue presser deaths?>If yes, do you accept that choosing to attempt to reach a blue success condition is also exacerbating the potential damage that will occur if you fail?
>>534000623Killing yourself for no reason is both a mortal sin if you are Christian, and terrible karma if you are not. You would go to hell or be reincarnated as a hummingbird.
>>534000565Virtuous how? Who are you saving?
>>534000561>All the death conditions are connected to the blue button.so if i remove the red button, everybody dies?
>>534000473You do have a moral obligation to help people. You do not have a moral obligation to kill yourself because someone decided to kill themselves.>>534000465Incorrect. The murderers are those that pressed blue, then encouraged others to press blue. Blue is a suicide pact unless you can successfully convince more than half of humanity to commit suicide. This is not the moral choice. It is the choice of sociopaths.
>>533997949No, they chose to publically virtue signal for goy points. Its a private vote, big difference.>>533998574>lefty meme text
>>534000573I think survivor's guilt would be the least of red's concerns. In the very best case scenario you'd have a really awkward day of rememberance, at the very worst you have cvilizational collapse. A vote for red is essentially playing a crapshoot that you don't make life monumentally worse for yourself in the future.
>>533998574
>>534000726If you remove the red button so that the choice is to either press the blue button or do nothing, then most of you retarded bluefags wouldn’t press the blue button.
>>534000713pressing red is no different then playing russian roulette where the red pushers are immune to bullets. to ever force such an engagement on the blues is not suicide but murder
>>534000726And if you remove the blue button everybody lives? Oh, wait, that's exactly what happens. Bluetards try their hardest to make the choices look unequal when they are two sides of the same coin, except one is retarded.
>>533995256>red live live>bluedie livewhy die when you can live?
>>534000565>pressing blue IS virtuous though. Suicidal empathy. Vote red and nothing bad happens. >>534000724They're saving le heckin illegal immigrants and tranny children!
>nothing happensor>suicide pactI pick nothing happens (red)enjoy dying, retard
>>534000063I know it's on me. Blue win or lose doesn't kill anyone who voted otherwise. If you pick red you are safe from my vote no matter what. I know what basket I put myself into and will take whatever comes my way.
>>534000787>>533998574
>>533995757And sucking up to Jews fixes this how?
>>534000724saving other blue pushers from evil red pushers
>>534000653This is the world Red wants.
>>534000726>So if I fundamentally change the rules to benefit my argument, I win the argument?Typical bad faith, goalpost moving, commie faggot bullshit.
>>534000833If every single person pushes red, not one person would die. The only way anyone dies is if people press blue, and then only the blue pressers die. Pressing blue is an example of the worst evils being committed with the best intentions.
>>534000881
>>53400069051% doesn't win it for either; red wins it 100% of the time for people who press red. The choices are:>red = 100% chance of living>blue = <100% chance of living.No bluefag has answered why anyone would pick blue in the first place. Every time I ask it they just say gay womanly shit like "principles" without elaborating at all.
I don't understand the analogy here. Isn't the idea that you want to push the red button too, or else everyone will die, including the blue-button-pushers?
>>533999709that's not what high trust society means
>>534000869Saving bluetards from themselves, you mean? They pushed the suicide button, they chose to put themselves in danger.
>>533994532Blue is for forever children adults, your life is not my responsibility
>>534000936no the only way anyone dies is if people choose red
>>534000948This is the original premise that went viral.
>>533999672>what is prisoners dilemmaThis isn't the prisoner's dilemma, it is a flawed, broken version of it.Both games have a safe choice and a cooperative choice. In a true Prisoner's Dilemma, if both players use the dominant strategy and choose the safe choice, the collective outcome is strictly worse than if they had both Cooperated.But with the buttons, if everyone plays the selfish, dominant strategy (Red), no one dies. Universal defection yields the exact same optimal collective outcome as universal cooperation. Red is mathematically perfect for both the individual and the collective.To make the button game into a true dilemma, you would need to modify it so that:If both players choose red, everyone dies.If both players choose blue, everyone lives.If one player chooses red and the other player chooses blue, the player who chose blue dies, and the player who chose red lives AND gets a million dollars.
>>534000653I've voted for Trump since 2016. Is that what you thought? I don't really follow your thought process here.
>>534001011>killing suicidal people and the people trying to help those suicidal people is le good because it just is okayhow do you not understand how cartoonishly evil you sound?
>>533994532Red is the rational choice if the decision for what button to press is made by committee. However the thought experiment presupposes everyone is making the decision in isolation.
>>534000841i'm just responding to the idea that the conditions are completely tied to the blue button, when it's clear they refer to both buttons. sorry that hurt your feelings.
>>533994532I pick neither, Blue is degenracy and Red sold their soul to Israel, Both can die and suffer for all I care. Fuck white people, you betrayed your heritage for fucking Jews. I hope your children make you suffer when you get old.
>>534001038But how is this analogous to politics though? Don't both sides see themselves as the "nothing happens" button?
>>534000726I know you thought that was clever, but it really isn't. The red button exists as an alternative to the blue button. There needs to be a choice. The choice is:>red = nothing.>blue = gambleWithout a red button you can't "choose" blue, and if you can't choose blue, there is no gamble, and therefore no premise. As pointed out, if you remove the blue button and leave red as the only option, everyone also lives. What you don't seem to be understanding is that red = nothing because it doesn't cause anything to happen. If I press red, nothing happens to me or anyone else. If you press blue, you've entered into a conditional that factors in how many people pressed red, but, that conditional is CAUSED by you pressing blue, not by me pressing red.
>>533995854>would die just to spite the people he dislikesThe people you dislike have immense power over you in that case.
>>534000209>There's no need to convince anyone of anything. Anyone who isn't a complete retard will look at this problem and immediately see that Red is the only sane choice.Great then red wins and the world is a paradise. What makes you so angry? You don't need or want anyone who pressed blue. They were all useless based on just the fact that they pressed blue. They never contributed anything useful to society and their presence and labor won't be missed. Have fun with all the other red pressers in your perfect world man. I am pretty sure that all the indians are gone now and only whites survived. Oh and remember, always reduce everything down to one single thing so that you don't have to think too hard. >Yes, and based on the arithmetic, the only rational choice is always to choose Red.>The only people who would read the problem and choose to press the blue button are morons who are too retarded to understand the question, and people with dangerously suicidal levels of performative faux empathy, and it would objectively increase the odds of the world being a survivable place if both of those two groups voluntarily eliminated themselves.See above
>>534001033If everyone chooses red everyone lives actually. To press blue with that knowledge you are saying>People are too stupid to realize everyone can live by pressing red so I need to kill myself for a shot at saving the idiots who couldnt figure that out
>>534000746>civilizational collapseAt least there would be 1 more person left to help rebuild, then. Still correct to press red, because putting yourself in mortal danger in an attempt to save others is deeply irresponsible.
>>534001077I’m not killing anybody. I’m just not putting my name in the death note
>>534001043But we have modified it, by injecting pathological retardation into the equation, hence all the blue button pressers. This really just proves that if you give people the choice between no downside survival, and a high chance of death paired with the veneer of moral superiority (real or imagined), they'll opt for death.
>>534001043Yeah there's an actual reason to choose the "wrong" option in the classic dilemma if you know and trust the person "playing" with you. This version is however highlighting just how dumb so many people are.
>>534001090When both buttons are present, only one kills people. I hope you never go to Vegas bro.
>>533995521>Red fags are just mad that humans are inherently goodEven Jews?Even niggers?Checkmate blue nigger
>>534000589The red DON'T get killed if most people pick blue - everybody lives, you mouth breathing retard. Learn how to read, you conservative backwater hick faggot.
>>534001191you can lie to yourself but you can't lie to other people anon. choosing anything but blue comes with a real personal ethical cost and potentially a larger human life cost too
>>533996051>I would rather drink the toxic cool-aid than try to survive in the jungle of Guyana on my ownwtf why lol?
>>534001164We’re not angry. We’re exasperated with your idiocy. Bluetards are angry and keep calling for our lynching.
>>534001164The "anger" comes from the fact that irl bluefags don't actually delete themselves, they continue poisoning our systems with their treasonous pathological virtue signaling. This hypothetical just exposes their logic.
>>533995854Killing yourself to get at someone is stupid
>>534001313Not really. They chose to press the button that could get them killed.
>>534001313Blue is the only immoral choice.
If all your friends jumped off a bridge would you do it too?
>>534001043>>534001235I think to make this an actual dilemma you'd need to introduce additional rules. Like if too many (90%? 99%?) people pick red they all die. This would both eliminate the "everyone will pick survive if they just pick red" defence that even as a redfag I don't believe in (as in, someone will pick blue no matter what), and introduce a choice between believe there's more than 50% retards and bleeding hearts in the world, or believing there's at least 20% retards and bleeding hearts in the world.
>>534001318If you red faggots win - congratulations. Have fun living in a world full of cowardly sociopaths - you idiots will nuke each other into oblivion within a week.
how about a change of pace?
red button sinners are such cynical misanthropic and sad creatures that they automaticallys assume blue button equates with suicide instead of equating it with hope, something greater than the individual life and understanding of the human condition.
>>534001313Pressing the suicide button and expecting others to do the same to save your life is unethical. And you can’t make a case for why it isn’t. This is like the example another anon gave about an empty burning building and a conga line of bluetards running in to save each other.
>>533996051White people are dying out anyway so I might as well press red if it gets rid of the cowards and race traitors first, there is no reason to keep the status quo
Prism dilemma
>>534001077Is he cartoonishly evil, or are the people who are trying to guilt trip everyone into joining a suicide pact cartoonishly evil? >red: I want to live so I'll press the button that gives me 100% chance to live>blue: I want to moralize like a narcissistic faggot about how brave, stunning, and self sacrificing I am, so I'm going to push the conditional suicide button and demonize anyone who doesn't do the same thing.
>>534001138hmm so what you're saying is, there has to be two buttons for the death condition to make sense? hmmmmm. very curious anon.
>>534001385>>534001422>killing people because they made a decision i think personally think is stupid is moraleven your own reasoning is feeble and ridiculous
>>534001467>you idiots will nuke each other into oblivion within a week.Oh, no, then we would be dead! Dead like if we chose the blue button!
>>534001135>Don't both sides see themselves as the "nothing happens" button?Red nothing happens. Blue results in death unless they win. Blue is the only vote that can end up killing people. There is no possible violence until a person votes blue.
>>533996197Thank you for your sacrifice, we are picking red though
>>534001535You are a disingenuous faggot who never responded to me after you threw a bitch fit. just say you want to kill people
>>534001479red because if blue is over 50 blues all die but if red is over 50 you only have a 50% chance of dying. Red is 50% chance of death max while blue is 50% or 100%.
>>534001467>Join me in my suicide pack or you're le evil naziLeftist are fucking pathetic.
>>534001551The only people killing are the blues. Red does nothing and has no moral weight.
>>534001467Smart people don’t nuke each other for no benefit. Dumb people do.
>>534000500>When the odds look good others might choose to press blue.The odds literally NEVER favor blue over red. Blue always includes an increased chance of death, without any potential benefit over Red. >if blue has low odds to win I go for itBlue never has good odds. >Numbers do absolutely fucking matter.And the numbers in this hypothetical ALWAYS say everyone should choose red. Even if some people are retards and decide to illogically press blue instead, that does not change the odds for you.
>>534001467This is pure projection. Every single red presser here has been clearly agreeable and high IQ. None of them are belligerent, narcissistic cultists who subscribe to religious zealotry and other absolute faggotry espoused by bluefags. A red conversation would go:>"Hey should we nuke each other, or just go back to running things business as usual">"Probably business as usual right?">"Yeah, definitely, makes the most sense, nuking each other would accomplish nothing. I picked red because I want to live, after all".>"Yeah same. See ya at work"No bluefag moralizing and other subversive insanity to degenerate or deconstruct the logic. Just two normal people living normal lives and not being fanatical cultist faggots.
>>534001555Exactly. That's the price you pay for being the faggots you are. But don't worry, the blues will save your sorry asses like we always do.
If you don't geet vaxxed, nothing happens. If you get vaxxed, you have a 49% chance of dying from the vax but you get a sticker and a Krispy kreme donut while embracing a fictitious narrative about saving imaginary grandmas.
Total bluefags death
>>534001239the death condition is pretty explicit people only die if a specific relationship of both buttons is met, thus it is not the case that only one kills people. both must meet specific criteria to trigger a death result.
>>534001542Yeah there does. That has nothing to do with what pressing red does (nothing). If you disagree, then tell me, what happens when I press red?
>>534000946>red wins it 100% of the time for people who press redyeah, for people that press red. and that only means you get to live. in what world though? you win and potentially billions die. how well do you think you fare in that scenario?you think only about what the individual vote does and not what happens when one side wins. blue wins and the world remains the same, good or bad, it just stays the same. red wins and depending on the percentage they get the world potentially collapses and the earth gets turned into a living hell. you don't know what happens when red wins. red is the one who is dangerous because you vote against stability with the hope that 100% of people around the world do exactly the same thing. great odds.>if only 100% of humanity thought and acted the same all would be perfect
>>534001646>dumb people doGuess you're fucked then.
>>534001663>>534001467Blue vs red is in international relations is literally just liberal theory vs realpolitik.
>>534001670You’re going to save us by killing yourself? Sounds good to me.
>>534000374But no one is being held at gunpoint. As far as you know everyone has as long to think about it as they want but that doesn't mean people will think about it for that long. Red is presented as the spiteful option that exists for no reason other than to spite blue, most people will clock in on that straight away and either they will think the best of people and vote blue or think the worst and try to cover their own ass and vote red.Picking red in order to avoid mass death is the option that would require campaigns and organization. For blue to win it doesn't even require a majority to avoid disaster, it just needs to be equal to the red vote. If you assume most people are mentally well adjusted, it is the obvious choice for a situation where there is a blackout on communication as it requires the least coordination for the best outcome (no one dying).Also there is no premise for vote sharing or shaming, no one would know who voted for what except in the outcome where red won and then the answer would be obvious (but also the least of everyone's concern).
>>534001594>Red nothing happens. Blue results in death unless they win. Blue is the only vote that can end up killing people.No, again, I understand that, that makes sense. But I'm trying to get what the "twist" of this retarded analogy is.Because it seems like /pol/ is trying to say "we're the red button, nothing happens if we push red, we're the morally superior choice". But I'm saying: don't leftists also see their respective side as the one where nobody is being hurt, unless the opposition pushes THEIR respective button?
>>534001738That's because there is no "sides" unless you turn it into sides like a cultist retard. Presumably the vast majority of humans on Earth aren't currently killing themselves for no reason, agreed? So, why would they pick blue in this scenario? In this hypothetical, the rational, self interested choice results in no deaths. There's zero downside to choosing red, unlike most ethical dilemma where choosing red imposes a consequence on someone else against their knowledge or will. In this case if everyone presses red everyone lives and nothing bad happens at all. So the question, as usual, remains, why would anyone press blue in the first place?
>>534001751Smart people don’t kill themself for updoots. Bluetards do.
>>534001670>But don't worry, the blues will save your sorry asses like we always do.Nigger, you would be dead by your own hand and the world would be free of you retards.
>>534001449Then there would be an actual argument for picking blue yes. I would still likely pick red though.
>>534001771No, we will save you because this question has already made its rounds on the internet, and blue wins consistently. You're welcome.
>>534001708Pressing red does not endanger me. Telling someone to press red does not endanger that person. Pressing blue endangers me. Telling someone to press blue endangers that person. It's not rocket science.
>>534001645we've already gone over this. choosing red is like forcing blue to play russian roulette while being gifted infinity luck so only blues get shot. in understanding that choosing red and forcing the gamble is clearly immoral. moral culpability for reds only goes up as more people choose it
>>534001784The blues do, and the blues are incorrect.
>>534001771"If your enemy kills themself, they win."-Sun Zoo or some shit idk
>>534001899Right, okay, so it's just inorganic sidescucking projection. God damn it, I hate jews so fucking much.
>>534001857>>534001881
>>534001784No because blue is the only button with an actual condition attached to it. If someone presses blue, they know that THEY WILL DIE unless 50% of everyone else presses it. If you press red, you just live, period. Me pressing red doesn't force anyone to press blue, so it can't be argued that I caused anyone to die. By pressing blue, they agree to the TOS associated with pressing blue. It's simple:>red = 100% chance to live>blue = <100% chance to liveThat's the informed decision everyone who presses a button makes. So, why would they pick blue in the first place?
>>534001881The internet isn't real life, and your echo chambers most definitely aren't real life.
>>534001891I can't force you to play Russian roulette unless you pick blue. I have no power over you.
>>534001652>The odds literally NEVER favor blue over red.This. Odds of red death are always zero. Blue has some chance of death, no matter how you look at it. Any probability, no matter how small, is infinitely greater than zero probability.
>>534001891Incorrect. Red is not picking up the gun. Blue is playing russian roulette and demanding more people play russian roulette until there are enough people they can stop playing russian roulette. The obvious, just, and moral choice is to not play russian roulette. The immoral choice is to risk others lives to save your own, which is exactly what blue does.
>>534001772>Red is presented as the spiteful option that exists for no reason other than to spite blue, Red is literally the default "I dont want to die and I dont want anyone killed for my vote" option. Blue fags want to gamble their lives so be it.
>>534001881Even if you're right and blue "wins", blue doesn't "save" red because red was going to live anyway. You only saved yourself and all the other dumb cultists who thought that gambling their lives was necessary for some dumb reason. The idea that you're associating your actions with some saviour complex illustrates how fundamentally stupid bluefags are.
>>534001501>I lost a finger, might as well cut off the rest of my traitorous hand
>>534001881>WE'RE WINNING IN THE POLLS GUYSbluefags have been saying this for years.
>>534001988>Everyone is a cowardly sociopath like me>No one actually cares about other people>You're all just ViRtUe SiGnAlinG!!!How sad and pathetic your ilk is.
>>534000705You are overthinking it. The optimal outcome is everyone just presses the red button and the no one dies. The optimal outcome for the blue strategy is not any better, it's still the same result of no one dying, but also adds the risk of everyone trying to use the blue strategy dying if they don't get enough people to join in their illogical plan.
>>534002032>>534002008Imagine a scenario where everyone chooses blue. There is no russian roulette. But the moment even 1 person chooses red suddenly the potentiality of russian roulette becomes real. Chooses red knowing this is immoral objectively
>>534002059They will literally risk their lives for no reason to gain some kind of weird moral superiority.
>>534002115Is this like when someone gets in an imaginary argument while they're in the shower?
>>534002115I still don't understand how bluefags make the leap from, "I don't want to die" to "cowardly sociopath". I guess 99% of people in all of history were cowardly sociopaths? Even if the bluefag polls are an accurate representation of all of humanity throughout all of history (they're not), that still leaves 40% of the population as "cowardly sociopaths", a statistical impossibility. Does a single bluefag on the entire internet have one genuinely well thought out argument?
>>534002115Asking 50%+ of people to risk death because a tiny percentage of people don't understand the answer is "red", is the height of murderous psychopathy.
>>534002163>if everyone gambles their lives we all win!Is this what bluefags actually believe. Ever heard of such thing as a safe bet?
I don't even want to survive..I just want to kill bluefags by pushing the red button.
>>534002163Imagine a scenario where everyone chooses red. There is no russian roulette. But the moment even 1 person chooses blue suddenly the potentiality of russian roulette becomes real. Chooses blue knowing this is immoral objectivelyftfy
>>534002182
Red pressers are cult of Saturn, Kronos worshipers. Cowardly, and midwits that try to sound smart...>But there's no risk involved in pressing redNo shit, there's no risk to YOU, retard. Doesn't take a fucking genius to figure that out. Your average nigger will figure that out, and press the red button. Truly the spiritual nigger button. All you retards do is try to sound smart to excuse your pathetic cowardice. Pathetic.I also love how you pathetic red pushers tout over and over that it's the option with no risk, but then get all defensive when we point out that you redfags are completely risk adverse. HAHAHHAA. Demon possessed retards.
>>534001883>Pressing red does not endanger me. but it does increase the vote for the death condition. you can justify your pressing of the red button as hedging uncertainty in the interest of self-preservation, and that would be sound and is what you are doing here, but regardless of that your vote has increased the odds of the death condition.
>>534002163Imagine a scenario where no one chooses blue. Everyone lives. The only button that introduces death is blue. Blue is a suicide pact unless you can convince most people to kill themselves with you. This is immoral.
>>534002264wtf you can't just use my own shitposts against me bro
>>534002258What about "the needs of the many" (to avoid a fatal risk) outweigh "the needs of the few" to make a suicidal decision?
>>534002262press them both then champ
>>533997481Trying to save some idiots that can't or won't read, blind people, and suicidal people? I guess there is a non zero chance that people could accidentally press the button. And many people consider suicide morally wrong and would consider it correct to risk their life to stop someone from doing it.But there is no actual risk their own life to make claims about what they would pick. So I think the results would be more red in reality. Since that is an insane risk to take with your own life.
>>534002163There is Russian roulette, you're just playing with empty chambers. Red is not picking up the revolver. In fact the entire thing is best represented as a revolver with 4.15 billion rounds in it, and for every person that agrees to play 1 round gets removed, so if more than half the people on the planet agree the revolver is empty. But you can also just not play.
>>533995521I voted red because it is less risk.You will never be a real woman so kill your self.
>>533995256Not reading allat>librard memesIt's literally EVERY TIME.
>>534002299What you don't seem to understand is that in moral dilemmas the "selfish" choice is directly paired with an imposed consequence. For example:>Press red, you live, but someone else diesThat would be an actual moral dilemma. This hypothetical has no negative imposed consequence for pressing red, though. So, if everyone just makes the "selfish" choice, the 8 billion "yous" all live, and there is no negative outcome whatsoever. Bluefags can't wrap their heads around this because they have a fanatical religious association between anything that sounds "collective". Pressing blue activates a wholly unnecessary risk to the self, but because surviving the risk requires everyone else to buy in and take the same risk, you automatically equate it to the prosocial response. But in fact, the prosocial choice is to press red so that you're not in peril and not required to be saved in the first place. Really this whole thing comes down to parasitic collectivism vs self responsibility. I choose red so I don't die, no one has to save me, no one has to risk anything. If you choose blue, you're forcing anyone who cares about you to also choose blue to try and save you. If you can't understand that simple fact, you'll never grasp why pathological altruism is called "pathological".
>>534002433wtf not playing is selfish and immoral you're literally killing the people who choose to play!
>>534002432The need of the many to live outweighs the need of the few to kill themselves.
>>534001652>If every single human on earth presses red then there will be no deathsI don't expect that to happen ever. Some will always press blue, stupid people who don't really understand how this works, could these be children by the way? hopeful and optimistic people to see it as their duty to press blue because it is the virtuous thing to do and people like me who wants to keep those others alive. also people who don't want to live in a world where blue loses because they see it as a moral defeat. expecting everyone to act exactly like you because "dude it's the smart choice brah" is beyond naive. Knowing all that I'll take the risk.Also a red vote isn't just a choice in a vaccum, you vote against blue, your choice isn't as clean as you think it is.
>>533995256>suicidal empathy is good for youlol no>>533995757this>>533995521this is completely performativeit's like wearing a mask during the covid years. did that prove people are inherently good?
>>533998574You are leaving out that third worlders outnumber whites by a massive margin, and do not have the same sense of civic duty. If this hypothetical was reserved exclusively for my fellow Nordic people, who are extremely high trust and conformist, I might consider otherwise, but since it's about ALL of humanity, you are literally joining a pathologically altruistic globalist death cult. Red all the way.
>>534002145I'm being realistic about it. As the discussion involving this has made abundantly clear, at least some people would press the blue button. I'm not sure how many since performative social media empathy and all, but it definitely wouldn't be a 100% red landslide like you'd get in a purely logical world. Of course, I think red and if blue wins I still win anyway so picking red is a no brainer. But I also accept that if red does win some people are going to die. It won't weight on my concious though since they had a perfectly clickable don't die button and didn't click it. The people who click blue either aren't willing to accept that a few people will die and think it's their job to save those idiots, or they are so confident blue is going to win that they don't realize the risk of pressing blue and just see it as a free "i'm a good person" button they can brag about.
>>533995521>CHOOSING nothing happensnothing ever happens.>CHOOSING death gambleim already going to die.there is no need to press either. all of the consequences are already happening simultaneously. they do nothing.nothing ever happens.I say this as someone with a deathwish after surviving multiple suicides and knowing I'll only die the way it is planned by whoever controls this bullshit.god. brain tumor. meteor. lightning. anything.NOW. god won't smite me because he has something far worse in store. I can't die at all by any painless or instant method. its quantum immortality with a suffering thresh-hold to qualify for actual release.
>>534002541You're just suicidal, that's the truth.
>>534002541Red is a choice in a vacuum because it doesn't impose anything on anyone else. The people that choose blue, informed or not, chose of their own volition. They could have chosen red, they weren't forced. Moral dilemmas need a component of coercion or force so that the "selfish" choice has to be weighed against the evil you've committed to achieve it. But this hypothetical has no evil associated with pressing red. You claimed that you don't expect everyone on Earth to press red. Okay. That doesn't change the fact that everyone on Earth CAN press red. What they can do is important, not what they will or won't do. We operate like this every day. We can all not jump off bridges and kill ourselves, but some people do. That doesn't make my choice not to do so immoral.
>>534002433>>534002513reds who get upset don't realize that this is just a rage bait game for low IQs to make seethe
>>534002541Then I'm sorry anon, but those people were too dumb to live. Altruism must be tempered with reason to prevent foolishness.
>>534002704I like the idea of the conditional behind blue's death being hidden. >Press blue and you risk dying, but you don't know the cause of death or the chancesWho would pick blue in this situation? Only suicidal people or weirdo cultists. So, it's the same thing in the end, same logic, because the details of the likelihood of death are unimportant given an alternate choice that has 0% chance of death.
MAKE YOUR CHOICE, WHITE MANLIVE AND BE SELFISHORDIE AN HERO
>>534002824SMASH THAT BLUE BUTTONIT'S THE MORAL CHOICE
>>534002499if I encountered buttons like this I would not touch them. at most I would find somewhere comfortable to watch people make their choice.do you understand how different that makes us?that thinking you must choose one, because there are two... that is you.
>>534002541thats beyond the scope of game theory so it doesn't count
>>534002527Sure, but some people would feel unable to live with the guilt of knowing they could have acted to stop the suicides and also the idiots who accidentally pressed the button because they didn't read or didn't understand, even if the risk is extreme.
>>534002895That is effectively the same as pressing the red button.
>534001532Total bluefag victory
>>534001961Exactly. That's why it's spammed here.
>>534002930what i hear when i tell a politically aggravated retard that i don't vote
>>534002508You fucking moron. I swear red pushers can't think straight because of there own pathetic self interests. Can't believe I have to explain this..... The rules of the game were, it's a private vote and you you don't have time to influence others. I see over and over again you retard redfags just saying "but if everyone just picked red..."Fucking idiots, that defeats the whole purpose of the hypothetical.Now, with those rules clearly understood, you'd have to be a moron to not understand that there will be a LOT of people that will press BOTH buttons. The most altruistic people that wanted YOU to live, now have their lives on the line. That fact that you guys can't rap your heads around this is crazy.You choose red because you're risk adverse, and value your life more than others. Just admit it you fucking demons.
>>534001840only if everyone in the world decides to press red. 100% of people And you forget that people aren't atomized individuals, they have others to think about. That influences a vote. Knowing what others might do affects peoples choices. You expect everyone to do the exact same thing all around the world, no questions asked. That will never happen. I don't bank on that premise, "only if everyone loved each other then there would be no wars". If you are a parent and are afraid your child will pick blue because he is an idealist then do you still press red knowing that if blue loses you voted against your kid? You are not just keeping yourself alive, you are actively voting against your child living. I know 90% of /pol/ will say "fuck him, he is retarded and deserves to die so I will not feel bad", but the world is not filled with parents who think like /pol/. Hence lots of people worldwide press blue. One single example. Extrapolate and get your results.
>>534002988I can see how you could get that but it's not really the intent.
>>534002824We need greek philosophers to find a proper answer to this
>>534002988>>534002930>>534002895You could quite literally rewrite the question without the red button and it would change nothing.>You find a blue button. You can either press it or not. If fewer than 50% of people press it, anyone who pressed it dies.>>534002824
>>533995256I am not responsible if people put all their life savings into a scam and the only way to "save them financially" is if I invest my own money and risk it myself.I didn't do it with game stop and I'm not doing it with my life.Red button. Don't press the blue button.
>>534002824blue is hot.that ambiguity about whether its suicide or martyrdom. you could press, it. (if your parents aren't rich life is shit) and no more of this "reality" with its niggers and its jews and its human suffering for pretend reasons that are just a fuck you from the guys that live "i got mine" lives.i've been ready to die since 12. im 40. no ammount of drugs or bullets can kill me.I've tried thousands of times. 10's of 1000's of times.
>>534002991Your argument is that "people could do the smart thing, but many won't". With that in mind, explain the rationale behind anyone who presses blue. Your argument sounds like you're assuming at least some people will press blue, so you now feel obligated to press blue in solidarity with them. But, there was never an objective reason to press blue. Your only reason is the recursive, self-induced logic of "pressing blue because someone else pressed blue". You're advocating for cultish insanity and mass suicide. I'm advocating for basic self preservation, one of the most common sensical instincts in all humans. You have to go through a bunch of pseudo-intellectual rigamarole to undermine the basic fact that killing yourself is stupid, and not killing yourself is smart.
>>533995256Bluefags are the ones currently treating western civilization like a suicide cult that I didn't fucking sign up for.
>>534003061
Slave morality and its consequences have been a disaster for the white race.
>>534001129I hope that fence post you're sitting on breaks off in your faggot ass. Cowardice isn't enlightenment.
>>534003107red and blue make it connect to your existing political bias. people look at red and see racist whites tricked by jews into supporting them-people look at blue and see brown people race mixing with whites and being everywhere and getting all our taxes as handouts.its like two grey buttons with a cross and a star of david* (remphan)
>>534003107you just renamed "red button" to "not pressing the button", you didn't change any structure, so yes the conundrum is preserved. very good anon. wait until you learn about logical distributivity: (A and B) or C == (A or C) and (B or C)
>>534003419>You're right, which is why I will now talk down to you.
>>534003390I bet if you switched the colors around you'd have redditors smugly talking about how intellectuals would obviously press the risk free live button and only dumb Trump voters would try to pick the moral option instead of being a realist.
>>534003311i'm sitting on the fence to taunt you and piss you off and make you feel inferior and it sure is working
