Who is the /pol/ approved side?
>>534000669Scipio
>>534000669who was the most antisemite between the two ? I know that Caesar was a rabid antisemite and he was 'a new Marius', but I really don't know much about the power level of the original Marius
>>534000669Sulla.Although I can't eactly remember what Marius did... Also, pol is dead so no one will come to this thread.
>>534000669.Anything that's Far Right, Chuddish, and non-groyper.
>>534002108more like most of /pol/ went to public school and don't know who these two are and why they are important to the fall of the Republic
>>534000669i would be with the optimates and sulla
>>534000669Im going with Quintus Fabius Maximus Verrucosus because nobody ever picks him and he's never an option.
>>534002267Old pol would at least be curious about them. This new pol is 50% jewish distraction threads and 25% shills. I don't even remember what Marius did so I should shut the fuck up. I knew he was for the Grachi and was a populist and hunted his rivals and put himself as the uncontested leader of Rome through military.Sula was the based guy though. And is what America needs right now.
>>534000669>Gayass Maryuskek
>>534000669Sulla without a doubt. Julius is Krillin's power level, to my nigga Sulla, he's Super Caesar 6
>>534003089Just another tale of class warfare struggle. Marius was the good guy. /pol/chuds all think they’re just temporarily embarrassed millionaires and elites that will have harems of young women in the future. If you want an actually functioning nation you need the elites and rich clamped down, if they run away then ban them and their business from your nation. Chuds think it’s communism or something even though all communist states were mostly ethnostates.
>>534000669what was the conflict about?
i sort of like pompey the best. nah caesar is the goat but pompey was a real one
>>534000669They were similar. Marius led some reforms badly needed but sulla showed how weak the republic was by marching on Italy.Samnites lost bad from both men. Sulla opened the gates to ceaser and ceaser broke the republic forever. Marius was overkill for militarisation, a force that needed to be at constant war to sustain itself.... No chance of peace.
>>534003631Fatty on the left wanted popcorn for everybody, but mostly for himself. Patrician on the right said everyone is getting on a cut.
>>534003631they were fighting to see who got to fuck up and plunder the middle east basically
>>534000669Sulla easy.
Marius' crash out was completely autistic and didn't leave any room for Sulla. Don't let Caesar know that though.
>>534000669What happened to his nose?
>>534000669ehh you got a you out of me 1pbidthey did some reforms and stuff, but ultimately both of them were asshats fighting for more and more power and glory just for themselves and had a falling out for it, the usual story.
>>534003089Svlla was a faggot who only managed to beat almost dead gayreeks. Marivs gaped geemanics and nafris and basically invented the roman legion and war system.
>>534000669Marius, thanks to him Caesar emerged and thanks to Caesar Rome saw more than 200 years of peace and prosperity, they fought for the people not only for personal gain or greed, Caesar left everything to Octavian and Octavian gave everything to the people.
>>534000669Scipio, will defeat the fool in Africa, but the Republic will not last.
>>534004748>Rome saw more than 200 years of peaceSomebody flunked history.
>>534003805>i sort of like pompey the best.Carnifex Juvernalis
>>534000669Marius
>>534002108Marius reformed the military. He was julius Caesars uncle.Sulla was a brutal dictator who started, in rome, the practice of murding political opponents in mass.The two are each in their own way responsible for the rise of julius Caesar. Marius' reforms of the military allowed the formation of armies loyal to the general, not rome. Sulla spared caesars life and showed him the folly of abdicating a dictatorship.
>>534000669Cokehead vs pothead
JC dropped the taxes to zero after winning the gallic wars, and became the greatest emperor for romans, nothing was the same after he was killed
>>534000669SullaYou might be surprised to know he willingly gave up power at his height, restored the Republic, made rules to strengthen the Republic to make it harder for someone to seize power in the future, went into retirement, and did not return. The dictatorial "Good Ending" if ever there was one.
>>534012814>Sulla’s specific rules and reforms included:>Strengthening the Senate: He expanded the Senate’s membership by admitting hundreds of new members, primarily from wealthy equestrian and Italian backgrounds, to ensure a loyal base of support and provide jurors for his court system. >Weakening the Tribunate: He stripped the tribunes of the plebs of their power to introduce legislation and veto senatorial decrees, barred them from holding future political office, and required senatorial approval for any legislative proposals. >Reforming the Judiciary: He established permanent jury courts staffed entirely by senators to try cases of treason (maiestas) and corruption (repetundae), thereby removing judicial power from the equestrian class and increasing senatorial control over provincial governors. >Regulating Political Careers: He reinforced the cursus honorum by setting minimum age requirements for offices, mandating a ten-year gap between holding the same office, and increasing the number of annual praetors from six to eight to ensure sufficient governance for provinces. >Limiting Military Power: He passed the lex Cornelia de maiestate, which made it a treasonous offense for a general to lead an army out of his province without explicit Senate permission, aiming to prevent future military insurrections. sulla was a good asset xD, he imposed the usual goyvernment, was a progressist even
>>534000669don't let the Trump cock suckers fool you this is a Cesar board so by default Marius
>>534000669
both is the only answer here. two of the most insane figures in history. i'm still amazed Marius isn't a modern pop culture icon. people are probably too badly educated to recognize these guys but both could star their own blockbuster / netflix and people would lose their mind over the plot. Marius in particular - this guy has been elected consul for like what, seven times? for your intrest: law stated you can only be elected once! there is a story of him candidating and when asked about his credentials he just ripped his clothes open showing off the scars on his chest (Roman soldier) and said they bear more crenedtials than any words. while escaping the prison (waiting for execution or something) he just walked up to the wardens look them in the eyes and asked if they want to be the men to cut down Marius. They considered, stepped back and Marius walked a free man. There are storys about Sulla too. Insane guys...
>>534000669Sulla is basically caesar except for real. All of caesars grand accomplishments Sulla did first and did better, and were just.>win a war against romes enemies in the border provinces Sulla beat a professional army that was like twice the size of his. This army was actually trying to take take over provinces that were loyal to Rome.Caesar started a war with some nomadic gaul tribes who didnt even want to fight rome and were trying to pass through to get away from another tribe that was genociding them, Caesar did this by telling them to wait a bit before he would let them cross then denying them the right so they would either get caught by the enemy tribe or have to cross the roman border illegally,. which gave caesar the Casus belli to declare war on the tribes beyond Romes boarders, and then he went around fighting what were basically farmer militia men in a conflict the roman senate said they didnt want him to be involved in.>come back to Rome to deal with corruptionSullas political opponents were killing people in the streets and were taking advantage of the fact sulla was out fighting wars to do things in his absence. Roman senators even came all the way to greece to beg sulla to come back and help Rome.Meanwhile Caesars war was declared illegal by the senate but he refused to stop it, then he came to Rome to fight them rather than face justice.>save Rome in a civil warSulla had to force march his army to the point of exhaustion to get to Rome before an army made up of anti romans could give it the carthage treatment. That was the "civil war" that sulla was in, a bunch of italians who hated rome and wanted to genocide the place literally brought an army to romes gates to do just that and sulla had to stop them.Meanwhile caesar was waging war on senators who agreed that his war was illegal and who tried to revoke his governorship.
>>534000669Both are dogshit. Marius reformed the military into a gigantic trap that repeatedly stabbed Rome right up until the end. Sulla destroyed the republic. Between the two I guess I'd go with Marius but both were terrible.
>>534014921>come back to Rome to deal with corruption>Sullas political opponents were killing people in the streets and were taking advantage of the fact sulla was out fighting wars to do things in his absence.Well it's how a war its made, you wait to attack when enemy is distracted, you don't send a warning first and then you attack, you wait, you watch and when it suits you best then you attack, it's the most logical thing, I don't see anything wrong here by marius.>Meanwhile Caesars war was declared illegal by the senate but he refused to stop it, then he came to Rome to fight them rather than face justice.crooked justice.... the guy came and told those fags and crooks what justice is in real terms, the fkn boss, +1 here too> Meanwhile caesar was waging war on senators who agreed that his war was illegal and who tried to revoke his governorship.no, better wait to your enemies to get regrouped against you..., +1 for jc too> Caesar started a war with some nomadic gaul tribes who didnt even want to fight rome and were trying to pass through to get away from another tribe that was genociding themyes the farmers....>the entire tribe was to leave their territory and, according to Caesar, to establish a supremacy over all of Gaul. This exodus was planned over three years, in the course of which Orgetorix conspired with two noblemen from neighbouring tribes, Casticus of the Sequani and Dumnorix of the Aedui, that each should accomplish a coup d'état in his own country, after which the three new kings would collaborate.
