If you had a daughter you loved more than anything else in the world, would you tell her to press Red or Blue?
>>534002890Does it matter?If this is about voting, the uniparty does not care what button is pressed.
>>534002890How do fetuses hit the button? Or six month olds?
>>534002980It's about the "if Blue wins, everyone lives. If Red wins, only those who pressed red live" hypothetical
>>534003020Let's say the minimum age for taking part in the experiment is 5
>>534003063Well red then. Fuck people, kek.
>>534003020their parents make the decision for them. same with tards>let's disarm this what do retards and babies do argument
>>534002890I'd tell her red because only fucking retards press blue and play the death game.
>>534002890this isnt political. take your philosophy 101 and fuck off
>>534003100>>534003171Or this kek. Im retarded
>>534002890red, because blue pressers are gamblers and should be culled
>>534002890I would tell her to suck my white cock
>>534003171They always say the same shit.>press the blue button or you're killing retardsThe best part is then they will immediately pivot and say "we need to kill the people that press red." Lol, fucking idiots
>>534002890I would tell her to stop replying to reddit memesalso sage
>>534002890i dont understand what you lose by pressing red
>>534003366the button is no a gun to your head.
>>534003525it is
>>534002890If 'everyone' includes children/toddlers/newborns then blue because children can't reason well and the vote is basically randomized. If it's adults then red because you don't make decisions for other adults in your day to day life they should be able to figure out that one choice is net positive and pressing blue is an assumption that the majority of people are utilitarians morally. Like you'd need to include retards and children that cannot think for themselves to make this a moral question.
>>534002890If only genocide of mutants were that easy. :)
>>534003525Can you fucking read?
>>534003599So you love her but won't give her a 100% chance of survival and rather needlessly risk having her die?
>>534003454by pressing red you lose the people who pressed blue. What are you going to do without those saps being around?
>>534003860You would be fine putting your daughters life in danger?
>>534002890>other strategies would involve gradually making these spaces less interesting
>>534002890This shit is so funny.
>>534003774>do this risky thing or you're killing grandmaI've heard thier argument before and I didn't fall for it then either.
>>534003860Prosper?
>>534002890>It's your moral duty to try to save the retards that pressed blue.Uhh...no. The world will become an objectively better place if the people who pressed blue die, way less retards to deal with. The average IQ in the world would go up at least 20 points
>>534002890Why is it always "daughters" and not sons?
>>534004160the only people who pick red are ruthlessly selfish people. which is a clear sign of low IQ. the only people left will be the dregs of society
>>534004287No. Any dunce can realize they can't lose if they push red, but can lose if they push blue. Everyone should have the wisdom and virtue to push red.
>>534002890Blue.
>>534002890blue-button-pushers>"Let's work together">Establishes partnerships to achieve more than he could alone >Emotional core: Hope>Tolerates risk when there is benefit to himself or others>"I don't want them to suffer like I did.">Is defeated when deceived into trusting a Red and inevitably betrayed >Responds poorly to coercion, uses trust and cooperation to overthrow slavers>Tries to cultivate fellow Blues to create a community>Willing to risk his own life for the right causered-button-pushers:>"Fuck you, I got mine">Pretends to be a Blue while not actually contributing anything>Emotional core: Contempt>Pathologically risk-averse>"I suffered so why shouldn't they?">Is defeated when Blues identify him and exclude him from the fruits of their labors>Can be coerced to contribute - an ideal slave because his paranoia and selfishness prevent him from organizing a rebellion>Tries to poison others into becoming Reds purely out of spite; knows this will eradicate the structures he depends on to survive; can't help himself >Thinks anything with a non-zero chance of death is a "suicide cult"
>>53400416099% of low iqs will press red. You're thinking of midwit redditors who will press blue
>>534004375you lose by having the blood of the best <50% of society on your hands and are forced to live with the aftermath. every criminal will naturally pick red and thus will overrun the "puritan" reds. essentially you lose no matter what if you choose red. but in a world where blues win is worth living in
press blue then if we win we cull all the red pressers. If we lose we die but we get the pleasure of knowing the world will descend into mad max style anarchy as only the most selfish sociopathic jews and their loyal goyslaves survive
>>534003525It kind of is. The people voting blue either want to kill themselves, or they're being shitty and manipulative in a really awful way.
>>534002890
>>534004514in no more than 2 years tops we'll have invented a way to find out who pushed what button. and then it will be the Day of the Push for reds
>>534002890I would let them make their own decision. I'm not a dictator like the leftists.
>>534004287Yeah, it sure is selfish to want to save the world from retards. Feel free to call me selfish until the heat death of the universe if we achieve that>>534004504So less redditors in the world, still good. Always kill the traitor before the enemy
>>534002890why does /pol/ consistently fail this hypothetical?>if you could rape and kill a baby without facing any consequences at all, would you?>/pol/:OMG YOU WOULD BE A FOOL NOT TO DO IT, THERE IS LITERALLY NO CONSEQUENCE AND YOU ARE SAYING YOU *WOULDN'T* DO IT?!?! MY LOGIC DICTATES THAT YOU MUST DO IT, THERE SIMPLY IS NO CHOICE HERE!
>>534004529why is she Auschwitzmaxxing? Zero curves at all
>>534004508Now this is hilarious reaching
>>534002890notice how red's reasoning is based entirely on fear.
>>534002890Red. There's literally no downside to pressing red.
>>534004514>we cull all the red pressersThat's just pressing red with extra steps, you hypothetical retarded person.
>>534004775>hilarious reachingyeah that's the point
>>534004508If that's your concern, then rig it so blue always outnumbers red. Then nobody dies from the button experiment.I think of this as analogous to red button pushers being vax-skeptics, and blue button pushers as vaxxed.The blue button is a suicide cult, and the red button only requires the slightest amount of critical thought.You donb't push the blue button because you are moral, but you push it because you fasley believe that you are.Blue button is a virtue signal. The only way to win is not to play.The vaxxed have damned our species to extinction. So nothing will remain in three generations, anyway. So this thought experiement is only good for laughs.
>>534002890Well anon what are the implications for pressing a blue button vs a red button? Does it really matter if nothing ever happens?
>>534004739>she
Imagine there's no red button, just the blue one. If half the people choose to press the blue button, nothing happens, but otherwise everyone who did die.
>>534004938
>>534004919>muh covid vaxxmiggers have been saying vaxxers would die every 6 months for 6 years now. give it up already lmao
>>534003063They push blue because they know they are already killing red a sneaky way
>>534004946>>534005078Apt. And amusing.>>534005083The vax alters the human genome to make reproduction impossible beyond the third generation of the vaxxed. If unvaxxed reproduces with one of those two subsequent generations, then their own blkoodline ceases asa result of being hitched to a sterilized bloodline.You fools doomed us to extinction because you wouldn't distrust Trump's vaccine.
>>534005078I would still press the blue button. What are you, a pussy?
This is the most forced meme I have ever seen on hereWho is engaging with this?
>>534003063You forgot to mention that pushing blue means you risk death while gaining absolutely nothing. Only an utter and absolute idiot would ever press it. Its a retarded version of the Prisoner's Dilemma.
>>534005494Yet Blue won the poll on twitter.
>>534003901that is why they call this an ethical dilemma. On the one hand red is always safeOn the other, the world is left without idiots to take advantage of.
>>534005245>You fools doomed us to extinction because you wouldn't distrust Trump's vaccine.responsible falls entirely on trump voters who put him into power
>>534005494same mindset poobrowns and chinkects have when they rip off welfare programs>whites are fools to try to help others, there is no benefit to them at all!
>>534002890Neither. It's a uniparty.
>>534003454If only red survives, the world is immediately populated by the most selfish among us
Obviously red is the logical answer, but everyone comes to the same conclusion after acknowledging this. No matter what, you know somebody for some reason will press the blue button and that is completely out of your control. Human beings are irrational. It's really just a question would you risk your life to save a bunch of stupid people from killing themselves or do nothing at all because you don't care.
>>534002890reddit threadhttps://www.reddit.com/r/thebutton/
>>534003901What about her soul?
>>534005736In this case you're helping a retard who chooses to risk his life to potentially help other retards. Its simply not my problem if you push the "You're probably going to die" button.
>>534005629What significance does that hold in your mind? Not only was there zero real consequence involved but it was actually tampered with by the one who ran it partway through.
>>534004508Correct.
>>534004919Wouldn't vax skeptics be the blue button? They are the ones adding the risk of disease not the vaxxers. Blue button is the one adding the mortality risk.
>>534004670Because they don’t understand what matters
>>534002890I would tell her to press red and I would press red myself so I could be certain to take care of her.
>>534004488>responds poorly to coercion>vaxxieYou guys all proved that you are retarded years ago, and no, I won't ever forget.
>>534003366Terrible analogy. This is a red's logic:"If no one crosses this line, everyone lives. But if one person crosses this line, everyone dies"*immediately jumps over the line*Actual nigger mentality.
>>534006038The significance is it isn't so obvious what people would choose, contrary to what the other anon implied, which makes it an interesting thought experiment
>>534006150RETARD ALERT
>>534006150They either walked away from the game or pressed red while telling you to press red. >if eveyone presses red we all live regardless
>>534004946
>>534006574
You can't force human beings to act rationally. We're not computers. The logical answer is the red button, but you and everyone else comes to the same conclusion: SOMEONE will press the blue button for their own reason. You can risk your life to save the entire world in it's imperfect natural human glory. Or, through your own deliberate inaction you can allow the largest mass death in human history.
>>534006150not when the mRNA shot is completely untestedpenicillin has been used, refined and studied for nearly one century now so we know exactly what it does. Because of this, you would be taking a risk if you chose not to take to treat certain illnesses. If you rewind time to the moment penicillin was introduced to the public though, it's side effects are completely unknown. You know you might be able to endure the sore throat you have but you have no clue what's some strange new fungus might do to you long term.
>>534006722>The logical answer is the red buttonthe post ended here
>>534005494>while gaining absolutely nothing.you gain not killing billions of people
>>534002890Women would all press red but then lie and tell you that they pressed blue.
>>534006722People make stupid decisions which lead to their death and the death of others all the time, It is happening at this very instant. Some guy is ODing in a bathroom somewhere, and you aren't there to stop him. The only one who can take responsibility for those people's actions are themselves. You aren't the main character.
>>534002890Red, no question.
>>534006832Hey answer my version of the question real quick, please >>534006261
>>534004287>One button has no risks at all>One button carries huge risk with itKilling yourself is very high iq and selfless
>>534006807We are not logic machines, we are human beings. Do you want to live in a world of cold uncaring logical machines? Or do you want to accept the kind, beautiful, inefficient, funny or interesting people that populate the world can be also stupid and allowed to live.
>>534002890/pol/ usually:>hahaha kill all kikes and shitskins/pol/ when a retarded hypothetical straight out of reddit comes out:>we have to save everyone!>we have to have le moral high ground!>if you kill your enemies they win!!
>>534006722>SOMEONE will press the blue button for their own reasonRight. We can't communicate to everyone else that everyone should just press the red button. Therefore, there will be blue button pushers, and if we want to preserve our souls, we should all be blue button pushers.
I'll push blue, but I'll tell my wife and daughter to push red
>>534006832The reds don't kill anyone. The blues kill themselves. If everyone presses red then everyone lives.
>>534007019I don't want to live with a retarded faggot like you. Press the blue button
>>534007035You cannot force everyone on the planet to press the red button, but you can save 100% of all people on the planet by your own choice to press the blue button.
>>534002890Retards hit the blue button.
>>534007039Keep in mind everyone will tell their loved ones to push red as well
>>534007110>but you can save 100% of all people on the planet by your own choice to press the blue button.No you can't, not really.
>>534007046They won't though because we're human beings not computers
>>534007039>I'm going to leave my family without a father and husbandWhat a piece of shit
>>534002890I'd tell her to kill you then suck my cock
>>534007110Why would I want to save everyone? Most people are drooling retards.
>>534007205It's all good, his wife's boyfriend, the father to her daughter is also pushing red
>>534003860Blueggers are a suicidal cult. They will not be missed.
>>534007205You sound single. It's an amicable parting.
>>534007287You're literally pretending to have lost your faith in humanity
>>534007358Understandable. That's why I'm single. You should tell them to press blue and then press red.
>>534002890So the only reason to press Blue is to try to save other people from their own stupidity?
>>534007421
>>534005825Better than people with utterly backwards pseudo-morality.
>>534007019>if you see someone threatening to jump off a bridge>you have to jump with them>or you are a bad person
>>534007448i press blue because it's the only alternative to red which kills people if it winsbeing a killer is unacceptable so it's third option or blue button
>>534002890This is the dumbest shit.>pick red so you still live>no pick blue and die
>>534007587
>>534007587>>534007448"If nobody crosses this line, everyone lives but if 1 person crosses this line, everyone dies except that person"Be youCross the lineYou're literal niggers
>>534007563>which kills people if it winsIt doesn'tNot jumping in front of a train doesn't kill the people who (due to stupidity or misguided morality) choose to jump in front of a train. And yes, some people are bound to jump in front of a train, but people do so every day. You don't have to stoop to their level.
>>534007659You might want to sit down for this, but... twitter isn't real life. People will make different decisions when their lives are actually on the line. And the whole world extends beyond your echo chamber.
>>534007703It's the opposite of that. It's stay where you are, do nothing, and definitely live. Or cross the line and probably die.
>>534007703I didn't do shit but comment you double nigger.
>>534007703>live like nothing happened or die>live like nothing happened or in a world where everyone confirmed to look out for their self interestBlue has a chance of normalcy, Red has a chance of being transported to California
>>53400765968,000 votes in, only 7,999,932,000 votes to go. I'm sure blue would stay in the lead KEK
>>534002890I have a revolutionary idea. How about not playing stupid kike games meant to divide people with pointless debates?Don't push any fucking button, how about that?If you can't trust others, don't push blue. If you don't want to kill the naive, idealistic people, don't push red.Don't push the fucking button.STOP PUSHING THE FUCKING JEW BUTTONS.
>>534007703FakeIt's actually"If no one crosses this line, no one dies, but if even one person crosses the line, anyone who does so will die unless at least 50% of you do so."
>>534007025>ill all kikes and shitskinsThat's also moral and rational.
>>534007875This but unironically
>>534007800Moving the goalposts are we?>>534007849>what are percentages
>>534007563Blueggers knew the risks and willfully signed up to die anyway. Blueggers killed themselves when they hit the blue button. It really is weird set of mental gymnastics you have to go through to choose the option with death, and then blame/guilt the other side when they don’t want to go along with your suicide cult.
The blue button is literally just performative suicidal empathy. There is no rational reason for anyone to ever press it, everyone can just press red and then no one dies.
>>534007448Yes. Are you so cynical the answer isn't obvious? Think of every person that's ever been kind to you expecting nothing in return. That's only scratching the surface. Do you need someone to tell you the return on investment of a completely selfless person helping you out.
>>534007430I did lose faith in humanity.
>>534008017NoThe question didn't say "if this blue gets at least 50% on this twatter poll"
>>534007711i thought this was a nigger thing but now i wonder if it's a reading comprehension thingif blue wins nobody diesif red wins blue diescast your vote, simple majority wins
>>534007562You really wouldn't try to stop someone from jumping off a bridge if you were able?
Only NPC's press a button. That's the real test here.
>>534008106Read the picrel here >>534008026Did the people who didn't jump into the wood chipper kill those who did?
>>534008019you are assuming a red supermajority from the outsetthere is no death if blue winsa red majority is required for deathone button has a chance of killing people, not touching it
>>534007818>>534007871Nope, the logic is the same. Self-preservation at the cost of other people dying. I'm glad you reject the notion though. It means you see what a nigger dickhead you are. You'll either have to accept your status as a nigger dickhead or continue fumbling with your cognitive dissonance.
>>534008085Why? Because miserable people that lost their faith in humanity treated you like shit your entire life? So you become them? Fuck you coward
>>534002890>Press the nothing happens button>Or press the 50/50 chance to dieBig conundrum
>>534002890Tell her to press the red.
>>534008210different scenarioin the woodchipper or poison ones choosing blue kills you before the vote occurswith the buttons red majority is the cause of death
i think pressing blue just creates a problem where none need exist. its stupid behavior. its being an idiot. its being a performative suicidal moron
>>534008170Question: You find a blue button. If you don't press the button, you live. If anyone presses the blue button, they die, unless 50% of people press the button. Do you ignore the button and kill everyone?
>>534008210Woodchipper presents an obvious danger. A blue button is harmless. It's even more harmless looking than the red one.
>>534008322Human beings are not rational
>>534008238Why haven't you been disassembled for your organs yet?
>>534008017>"hey guys I'm a retarded blue nigger"That's all you're really saying here.
>>534002890I'd tell all my loved ones to press red, and I'd myself press blue just in case they're retarded because I value their lives far above my own.
>>534003860>oh no my friends and family decided to run infront of a moving truck I must also do this save them instead of pushing them out of the way
>>534002890but I already ate breakfast
>>534008060Extending kindness and doing favors is one thing. It’s A completely different calculus when you are putting your existence on the line for complete strangers. To ignore the difference between putting $5 in someone’s gas tank versus putting your life on the line for complete strangers is completely disingenuous and dishonest.
>>534008170Based retard
>>534008106The redfag's mental gymnastics go as far as denying reality. Now if the mayority is red nobody dies? Straight up trying to steal the achievement of the bluefags while claiming it as their own.
>>534003063>It's about the "if Blue wins, everyone lives. If Red wins, only those who pressed red live" hypotheticalNo, it's not simply that, if you press red, you live, if you press blue, and it's above 51% you live, if it's bellow, you die together with everyone that pressed blue.
>>534008156I would try to talk them down, not link fucking arms with them. Blueggers are a death cult.
>>534008319They are the same scenario. You are meant to assume that if 50% of people jump into the wood chipper, no one dies. I understand you did have breakfast this morning, but try to understand.
>If you had a daughter Nigga please.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvEAs2H2w6Y&t=13s
>>534008325A false dichotomy. You are meant to lose in these kike games. You either get the democrat who ethnically replaces the lower class or the republican who ethnically replaces the middle class.You are meant to compromise. To lose. NPC games. The real solution is for the player to find, not the NPC. The NPC only sees the button, according to its kike programming.
>>534007703No, this button thing is a false, broken version of the Prisoner's Dilemma. Unlike a true Prisoner's Dilemma, there is no downside to always going with the dominant strategy of the Red button. The best possible outcome from choosing Blue is the same as the best possible outcome from choosing Red. However, if you choose blue you increase the chances of dying, which isn't true for Red.All of this nonsense about choosing blue to save the other people who chose blue is a retarded red herring. Red is the undeniably better and only logical choice. No one needs to be "saved" by you bluetards because they can simply choose red to prevent themselves from ever being at risk of dying.
>>534008337The blue button isn't harmless. It will kill you if 50% of people don't decide to take the risk with you.
>>534008322>pressing one button results in the chance of people dying>presses that button>"you did it to yourself!"Deep down, reds know they're pieces of shit and the mental gymnastics ITT is truly hilarious
>>534008220There is no death if red wins. What incentive is there for anyone to ever choose blue?
>>534004946Kek
>>534008542It's not harmless, but it looks harmless. It deceives, unike the woodchipper.
>>534008386Clearly by how many bluetards there are. Once you strip down their arguments to>society will collapse without usAnd >pressing red is the exact same as pulling the trigger to the gun they placed to their headThey cant fathom a high trust society continuing one without them truly delusional world building. Obviously stemming from main character syndrome
>>534008416The implication of getting out of bed and playing a role in humanity is that you know you will die one day and all the effort you put into your life will have in some way benefited the human beings that will survive you. Your life is on the line it always has been
>>534007019>We are not logic machinesWe are.>Do you want to live in a world of cold uncaring logical machines?It's called Earth and we're already there.The cynics are correct, which is why they're hated. This world is deterministic and everything here is constantly acting in self interest. You're going to do it when you eat your next meal. People like you died ~2600 years ago when the first man thought of explaining reality with itself, you just haven't realized it yet. Spinoza would back me up.
>>534008475Obviously, still Red.
>>534004853>notice how red's reasoning is based entirely on fearWhy do shit lib retards act as if fear is not a valid foundation for reasoning?>Here, play Russian roulette with this gun, there's a 60% chance you won't die.>Fuck no! I don't want to die!>Notice how your reasoning is bad entire in fear.
>>534008416yeah but the alternative is voting for the actual killing to occuryou are just offloading risk>>534008487no it isn't, timing intent ect makes a differencein the woodchipper/poison versions the vote is to save those dead/dying or let them diewith the buttons the vote is do nothing or kill blue>>534008461learn to read
>>534008396>"heh, you don't like killing people? Then why havent you killed yourself and donated your organs?"Regardless of your age, you're mentally 13 years old
>>534008527It makes sense why all of your comments are so retarded, now
>>534008536>Thank you for your attention to this matter!
>>534008562did you not read it or.....typo?blue majority no one diesred majority blue dies
>>534008603No I'm saying you can't accept human life and not accept irrationality. We're not computers we are the space between the 1 and the 0 that is humanity. You can't erase that and preserve humanity
>>534005629>only idiots would press blue>BUT MOST PEOPLE ON TWITTER PRESSED BLUEYou have completely vindicated his point, anon.
>>534008686What's retarded about opting out of a game you can't win, retard?If you press red, you live but you kill millions.If you press blue, you risk death.You can't win. You don't want to win. You are an NPC.
>>534006278>Reddit spacing>Incoherent babbleWhat does this message even mean? Are you indian?
>>534008730>redfags have no humanity How very bluepilled of you
>>534008633Nigger, assume you will all be dropped in at the same time. It's not meant to be taken too literally. Same with the fucking buttons, Jesus Christ.>If I had to press some buttons like that, I would just shoot the person who was threatening everyoneThat's how you sound. You fucking niggers can't think abstractly. Press the fucking blue button
>>534002890If everyone on Earth pressed all red or all blue, everyone would live. But, knowing it's statistically impossible for that to happen, you have to break down the pros and cons of pressing each one:>Press red = 100% survival rate for you>Press blue = <100% survival rate for youUsually moral dilemmas have some framing or condition that makes the selfish choice less helpful to YOU, or have some dire UNAVOIDABLE consequence for others. For example; ratting each other in the prisoner's dilemma results in both of you staying in prison. One rat + one silent = rat goes free but he condemns the other one to life in prison. Basically, moral dilemmas usually attach a serious consequence to the "selfish" choice.But in this retarded hypothetical, nothing happens to anyone just by virtue of you pressing red. Red doesn't IMPOSE any choice or consequence on anyone. Every single participant has access to the same choice, everyone could pick red and live. Therefore, even if some people don't pick red, even if red "wins" and many bluefags die, it's completely on them for voluntarily choosing blue in the first place. No one is socially obligated to save other people from their own bad decisions, especially if it risks your own life. Society is not built by people throwing their lives away to save retards, society is built by responsible people who do not burden others. In Japan, being a burden to society is looked down upon, and they are a very collectivistic society. If a nip chose blue, the other nips would say, "You've just burdened society with unnecessary risk", and they'd all pick red and let him commit seppuku. It's only atomized, liberal whites and christcucks who have no actual civic virtues or duties advocating for bluefaggery.
>>534008616You are forgiven
>>534008774>phone poster>complaining about reddit
>>534007287Seek the holy spirit and you will understand.
>>534008603>They cant fathom a high trust society continuing one without them truly delusional world building.And how is this high-trust society supposed to magically spring out of nowhere if you just killed all of the high-trusters? You selectively filtered for low-trust selfish machiavellian cowards as the sole survivors of your new society.
>>534008759>What's retarded about opting out of a game you can't win, retard?The whole point is that you can't opt out. It's the same as saying "I will opt out of politics, it won't affect me", while your politicians import millions of Jeets and Muslims
>>534008677Nope, the logic is the same. Self-preservation at the cost of other people dying.
>>534008816if you choose red knowing the majority will pick blue in every poll then you aren't trying to save your own skin you're just trying to get people killed. red pressers are mainly just being intellectually lazy / cowardly
>>534008793Like that has any meaning anymore
>>534002890Having a daughter is the ultimate cuckhold. Youre raising youre own flesh and blood knowing and hoping she gets banged out by some Chad and has kids and a family.
>>534008850And this is why you're all NPCs. You can't leave the left vs right mentality. I thought this place worshipped Hitler and what he did.
>>534002890I guess blue since that's my favorite color
>>534008805if you wanted it to be done properly then write it in formal notation instead of dressing it up in english then lolit's presented in natural language so i'm going to treat it as an ethics problemgame theory nigs mad people aren't optimizing lol
>>534008848>only bluefags can have sympathy and compassion Kek you keep proving my point that bluefags have a savior complex and their existence is critical to maintaining a high trust society is delusional
>>534008735That just means twitter has a far better sense of humanity than this board. Has /pol/ really sunken this low?
>>534008879>if you choose red knowing the majority will pick blue in every pollThis right here. You people can't seem to wrap your heads around the idea that you don't make choices for other people.
>>534008319>different scenarioNot at all. It's the exact same scenario, just framed in a way to demonstrate the retardedness of the blue button.>in the woodchipper or poison ones choosing blue kills you before the vote occursIt doesn't matter. You can collect everyone's vote a month before you turn the woodchipper on, and it's still the same outcome.>with the buttons red majority is the cause of deathNo, the cause of death for every single person who dies is because they chose the blue button instead of red. Anyone who chooses the red button has a zero percent chance of death.Anyone who chooses the blue button has a positive non-zero chance of death. There is no outcome where choosing blue provides a better outcome than red. At best, everyone lives. At worst, everyone who chose red lives and everyone who chose blue dies.Everything else is a completely irrelevant distraction.
>>534008816you are assuming red is the defualtprobably cos you lack balls
>>534008879>if you choose red knowing the majority will pick blue in every poll then you aren't trying to save your own skin you're just trying to get people killed. red pressers are mainly just being intellectually lazy / cowardlyThe whole point is that in real life, you don't know who is picking blue or white, and you don't know what the majority will pick, real life is not Twitter, and it's not 4chan. And let me tell you, the majority of these people saying they will pick blue on the internet, would pick red in real life. Because as soon as life and death creeps in, the doubts will also arise in their hearts.>>534008325>Question: You find a blue button. If you don't press the button, you live. If anyone presses the blue button, they die, unless 50% of people press the button. Do you ignore the button and kill everyone?I will go out of my way to take a mini red button out of my pocket and press it
>>534002890SMASH BOTH
>>534008879>the choice is easy if you already know the answerThe poll could say 99% blue and I would still press red. I don't trust people, nor do I particularly like people, but I already knew this about myself. I didn't need a thought experiment to understand.
>>534002890I would tell her to press red, but part of the original concept is that it's a private vote. You don't get to influence anyone else.Children are the only compelling argument for blue. If children are exempt from all this then go red.Shrimple as that.
>>534007039>I will push blue>but I will tell my family to push red, making my odds of surviving even lower>my daughter now has to grow up without a father because I gave my life to save brown people>now there is no one to protect my daughter from said brown peoplelol what a dumbass
>>534009068https://www.staples.com/staples-easy-button-red-silver-25178/product_606396
>>534008978Bluefags are by definition the high-trust option. We are literally leaving our lives in the hands of others. How is that not more high-trusting than redfags. Why are redfags like this?
>>534008848High trust = I trust people to not be pathologically addicted to suicidal ideation and virtue signaling. I trust them to take care of themselves and make intelligent decisions, and cooperate when it comes to socially conducive, long term civic goals. Bluefags are the antithesis to this which is why white liberal countries, where majority of bluefags live, are trending towards self annihilation. It's no coincidence; blue press is the choice of the self-destructing, and so to have these people chosen that fate for their own nations.
>>534008879You bluepressers assume everyone will know the vote count. You won't.
>>534008863>no donating your organs is the same as inducing organ failureGo ahead, say it again kiddo
>>534002980>Mention how voting is useless>bad actors immediately try to convince you otherwise.It's all so tiresome.
>>534009056Red is the "default" for anyone who wants to live. If you don't want to live, by all means choose blue, I'm not against suicide.
>>534007110>but you can save 100% of all people on the planet by your own choice to press the blue button.lol no I can't, because I would be voting against more than one billion indians who all press red
>>534002890Red because a fuck ton of modern women caucasians are going to virtue signal (see fake altruism) and get killed.
>>534009083That too. Total disrespect for red vs blue kike games.
>>534008829I appreciate your concession.
>>534006832>>while gaining absolutely nothing.>you gain not killing billions of peoplewell no you maintain the status quo. pressing the red button would increase the value of all existing resources by a tremendous degree even if like 90% of people pressed red.
>>534008941Finally someone who gets it.
>>534007563This mindset is why your country is falling apart.>I would rather die than being meanThe eternal Anglo strikes again.
>>534009024everyone lives isn't the better outcome than killing? loland yeah it is different, there is no peril in the buttons example until the vote is counted, the poisoned guy is still poisoned before sitting in a woodchipper is more dangerous than waiting for reds to kill or lose
>>534009181What if someone pressed blue by mistake? Are you condemning them to die because of that? Im sure you have had instances where you fucked up as well, would you not prefer to have mercy granted upon you for your fuckup? Thats what pushing blue means.
>>534004430Jesus christ I guess shareblue got some funding. Lmao at forced meme.
>>534008898You're not clever or interesting. You're as Jewish in your soul as the kike caricatures in your image.
>>534009163High trust doesn't mean policing people for choosing red or looking over their shoulder to make sure they are voting for blue. High trust takes personal responsibility. Not this nigger attitude that someone else will save me
>>534009214i don't want to kill so one of those buttons isn't an option for me
>>534007659>I press red>if majority is red I win>if majority is blue I still winlol, why is this even a question?
>>534009359better to die as a human than live as a nigger
>>534003063But that hypothetical is not accurate to the situation at hand and has nothing to do with reality. You might as well say "if you press red you get free candy and if you press blue you get free candy but its all green"
>>534009430The only button that kills anyone is the blue button. This point has not been refuted by bluefags.
>>534007563While I find this as admirable as it is retarded, I'd still rather share the world with people like you, hence why I don't want to press the red button. I'm not pressing the blue button either.Why can't we have a high trust society with a white button? That's what we should be discussing. How to create a society where at the very least a 90% majority would always, with complete assurance, press the blue button, if a white one is too unrealistic.
>>534009382if you make a mistake you get to switch
>>534009181Reality = the vast majority of people dont want to die, therefore, press the button that results in nobody dying if 51% of people press it opposed to the other option which only works if 100% of people press itImagine how retarded your have to be to think 100% of of the 8+ billion people who enjoy life would all press the same button LOL
>>534005245It's called a genophage. Don't mate with them
>>534009411>t. the father of a girlThe guy your marked is right and wrong. A daughter can't keep your lineage, she doesn't inherit your Y chromosome, only your autosomal DNA, which will be erased in a few generations. It doesn't mean you don't have a duty towards her, she will carry the mitochondrial DNA of the mother. Ancient people didn't know the science behind, but even they knew that a woman cannot carry a man's lineage.
>>534005245>The vax alters the human genome to make reproduction impossible beyond the third generation of the vaxxedYou'll have to source that buddy.
>>534009382If I was the one who pressed blue by mistake I would implore everyone to press red. That's true self-sacrifice. Not expecting everyone else to join the death cult to bail me out of my own stupidity.
>>534005078just change the colors and this would actually be awesome and workblue is a gay color
>>534008879>if you choose red Choosing red is the only logical choice. Anyone can avoid death simply by choosing red, at no cost. Anyone who retardedly decides to ignore logic and choose the blue button and then dies brought it on themselves. It had absolutely nothing to do with which button everyone else picked, it's because (You) chose the button with a chance of dying attached to it instead of the button where there was no chance of dying.>knowing the majority will pick blue in every poll Sure, just like you knew that Hillary had a 98% chance of winning in those polls.>then you aren't trying to save your own skin No, pressing red is literally how you guarantee saving your own skin.>you're just trying to get people killed.Everyone who gets killed could have easily avoided death by choosing the red button.>red pressers are mainly just being intellectually lazy / cowardlyBluetards are morons who are motivated primarily by virtue signalling their suicidal faux empathy.
>>534009565The Y chromosome has barely any DNA on it and has been shrinking for millennia
>>534009382>please jump into preYou are one very stupid, delusional goyim. This is exactly why your kind is only useful as cannonfodder for war. Dumb, dumb goy. Your suicidal idealization isn't virtuous.
>>534009544If people don't want to die they'd press the button that 100% guarantees their survival, retard.
>>534009416>High trust doesn't mean policing people for choosing red or looking over their shoulder to make sure they are voting for blue.The whole point of the thought experiment is to discuss it like this though. And the vote is anonymous if it took place, no way of knowing who voted for what once its over. Unless the bluefags died I guess. Then you would know every survivor thinks exactly the same way you do. For better or worse.>High trust takes personal responsibility. Not this nigger attitude that someone else will save meYes, bluefags are not ashamed to die if they lost their gamble on hope for humanity.
>>534009647>muh hillary derangement syndromestopped reading their blue must be the right choice since weirdos like you are picking red
>>534009498cos there's nothing to refute, you didn't read the prompt loleveryone presses one of two buttons, pushes are talliedif blue wins the vote nothing happensif red wins the vote blue diesautistically speaking both buttons being pressed is the requirement for any death to occurat least one blue and any version of red winning
>>534009624There were leaks here back in 2020 about it having a gene drive for premature ovarian cancer. We're about to see a lot of cancerous ovaries in the young
I've yet to be refuted: >>534008941
>>534004946The only true answer is pic related
>>534008456/pol/ is too normie tier to even conceive of eugenics and a white button high trust society.They always have to fall for jewish tricks. They like getting blueballed by jews.
>>534009647at moral cost
>>534009650>The Y chromosome has barely any DNA on it and has been shrinking for millenniaX chromosome: about 800 to 900 protein coding genesY chromosome: about 50 to 60 protein coding genesThat's what it means when they say it's smaller, but it's also more stable. Your genes won't be erased in millions of years and you can be sure that you have the same Y chromosome your ancestors had going back thousands of years ago.
>>534006302You failed to include a key part of the experiment then you got called out for it. The other anon only said that a complete idiot would pick one option, nothing about how obvious the results would be, and your response is that a X poll got a certain number of votes? Are you indian?
>>534002890Counterpoint:If you didn't know what button your daughter pressed, would you press blue in hopes of saving her just in case she did? Would you be able to live with yourself if she was a blue death?
>>534009722You're the perfect example of why blue is the only moral choice
>>534009474>better to be a cuck than a bullI'd rather live out my days partying with Tyrone and Jamal than join a death cult. I'd much rather roll with an inner city gangstah any day before a Jim Jones zealot.
>>534009710Red wins if .0000001% or 100% of the population pushes. Red pushers always win because they do not bring forth the risk of death with their choice.
>>534009635I see. You better live by that and have someone ready to execute you on your next mistake. Since you are asking for a world with no mercy for fuckups whatsoever.
just make a new unretarded daughter
>>534002890>"anonette, youre mom is a dumbass whose gonna press blue, we gotta both press blue instead of red"
>>534009691>muh hopenigger you're gay and retarded
>>534009736This is the answer.
>>534009788No, I'd always press red. The chances of my vote being the deciding vote that tips the scale in blue's favor is next to zero.
>>534009788If she was doomed to die because red is going to win, my one vote can't change that outcome. I'd still pick red so I could raise other kids or do other good things in the world. That's what bluefags don't understand; red is the only guaranteed outcome for you. If you press blue, you could die. If you press red, you can't die. If everyone thought this way, everyone would live, which is actually the prosocial outcome; not banking on a bunch of suicidal cultists indoctrinating you into their absurd gamble.
Why are redfags like this?
>>534009710So in your mind you think that the republicans and democrats are actually two- you know what fuck that you know what you're doing you slimy kike. You know they're both the same fucking entity being lorded over by the same fucking faggots and that voting does nothing. The fucking republicans wont do shit and neither will the democrats, they will keep sucking off israel and sending billions. >>534009850Yes, but that is the step after the previous pic.
>>534009691>bluefags are not ashamed to dieAnd neither are redfags. We just prefer our action has an actual effect instead of pushing a button, crossing fingers and hoping for the best
Blue button pushers on suicide watch
>>534003063Red obviously, anyone pushing blue is retarded taking a risk they don't need to.
>>534009920fuck knows, it feels like they're missing something>>534009942american politics is every other thread lol, in here we get autistic about buttons :P
>>534009788of course they can't. red pressers are the <50% bell curve low IQs who struggle / are unable to imagine hypothetical scenarios
>>534009870So you don't vote in elections?>>534009870>If she was doomed to die because red You don't know that, all you know is what's presented.>I'd still pick red so I could raise other kidsWild guess that you don't actually have children.What redfags don't understand is this is about what other people will pick, your loved ones and friends. Not what is logical for solipsistic misanthropes. The fact that there's debate about it online is proof that blue pressers exist, the only question is whether to save them or not.
>>534009846You are just salivating at the idea of having someone killed at the push of a button.
>>534009835Sure, I'll do that, and you go sacrifice your life and donate your organs to a bunch of dying children.
>>534009920So treasonous pedos shouldn't be hanged?
>>534008325>we are retarded, please die with us >we are good people you fucking chud!Not pressing it. God will not reward you for throwing your life away over a Reddit button.
>>534009920The word salad comes after red says "It's logical"then their childish arguments gets destroyedthen they start crying
>>534003860>by pressing red you lose the people who pressed blueThey should have pushed red then, which poses literally no downside.
Do we make another thread?
>>534010063I accept your concession.
>>534010034Why do you retards always try to play dumb when you cannot defend something? It never works and just shows how utterly incapable of actual discourse you are.
>>534010099yes just one more
>>534002890Bluefags will never be able to answer this simple question: No one on Earth has to press blue, so why would they?
>>534010096risk of murder is a downside in my book
>>534009920There is no way in hell that the third world will vote blue, so blue will never win globally. Millions of people will die, and there's nothing you can do to stop it, but it's completely up to you if you want to join those fools.
>>534009920They're extremely traumatized and high iq so everything is a logic deflection to protect themselves. They value their own intelligence more than humanity because of how they were treated by others in life which just perpetuates this cycle of cynical misery. This is a great reminder that we're all participants in reality and the way you treat strangers actually matters in a real way and that being truly kind is actually a herculian task few are brave enough for
>>534009920
>>534009788He asked a question he didn't make a point. Are you pressing red or blue?
>>534010118That wasn't a concession. If I'm held to an absurd (and incorrect) interpretation of what I said, then you are too, brainlet.>"If I made a mistake that required someone to sacrifice their life in order to save me from it, then I'd tell them not to do it and let me die">"THEN U BETTER BE READY TO HAVE SOMEONE ON STANDBY TO EXECUTE YOU FOR ANY MISTAKE YOU EVER MAKE AGAIN!!"I must be some kind of masochist to spend hours arguing with the lowest end of the IQ spectrum.
>>534010051>So you don't vote in elections?I actually don't.
>>534009920It is dumb to press the blue button if you can't with 100% assurance trust that everyone else (or a majority of button pressers) will.It is evil to press the red button and get naive blue button pressers killed.This is such a trifling and boring non-problem.
>>534010155to save the life of retards who cannot perform basic cost-benefit analysis. why would they want that i dont know
>>534009920facts
>>534010155Literally the only people disadvantaged in this scenario are those with achromatopsia. Literal retards will not push blue just because it's the dumb choice, they will push their favourite colour.
>>534010148defend what lol you just blurted some american at me out of nowhererepublicans democrats kikes, ok what about them lol what am i supposed to be defendingin this autistic button thread
>>534005825How are they selfish? They're just not being retarded.
>>534009781What key part of the experiment did i forget to include?
>>534010179There is zero risk of murder by pushing red. It's entirely on anyone who pushes blue.
>>534002890Imagine loving a woman. Fucking cuck lol.
>>534010179Believing redfags murdered you for pressing blue is why you fail. Take the L and learn some personal responsibility
>>534010339You're selfish for not jumping off a bridge after a hysterical faggot. Duh.
>>534006197Anybody who would press blue is either retarded because they couldn't understand the question, or they did it because they want to die.I have no reason to believe that those who claim they would press blue aren't simply trying to be manipulative.
>>534010270Not everyone is smart.Not everyone is an adult.Not everyone has loved ones in their life.Not everyone is a traumatized schizo with paranoia.Not everyone is evil.Etc.You will kill innocents, like it or not. I don't think you care either way, the mystery is why do you pretend that you do.
>>534010346exactly what he mentioned
>>534010449You have no idea how big of a savior complex bluefags have. Its worse than Christains
>>534010051WTF, do you not know how numbers work? You don't save your daughter by voting blue, you only condemn yourself. Your bluefag daughter is only saved if more than 4 billion people vote blue. You voting blue is going to achieve nothing other than making your daughter an orphan if she presses red, which is far more likely than you tipping the scale in blue's favor.
>>534010267i think that's the point maybe?look at how many in these threads passionately defend the red button xDgranted a lot of that is contrarianism and pedantry but i think it's a decent shit testlike 'it's okay to be white'or the tommy testan easy way to make the inferior self report>>534010362if red wins people die, so if i help red win i killed those people>>534010398exactly! responsibility, i refuse to risk being partied to or responsible for killing if given a choice
>>534010481>You will kill innocentsNo, they all kill themselves.
>>534010339The annoying thing about bluefags is they would never quietly sacrifice themselves for the greater good. They're performative moralists and narcissists and their entire schtick is over the top grandiosity and status/power seeking. These aren't the people quietly and diligently doing dutiful things like cleaning streets or volunteering, or raising children.
>>534010580>>534010579>>534010559>>534010518Make a thread
>>534010482He literally didn't mention what key part of the experiment i forgot to include, he only said i forgot to include it, whatever it is.
>>534010579>personal responsibility involves blaming others for my own death Kek
>>534010579>so if i help red win i killed those peopleNo you didn't, they killed themselves by making the illogical choice.
>>534010616there are enough of these already, besides are we anywhere near autosage?
>>534010186Just because you lose debates doesn't make everyone who defeats you a monster.>>534010518>worse thanIt IS Christians. If not practicing then Christians that have swapped out their faith in god with faith in some jewish ruleset that's actively killing them. Same slave morality, same everything, just a different coat of paint.
>>534010481>a bunch of retards jump off a cliff because retarded>"why didn't you jump after them, you murderer"Death cultists say the darndest things.
>>534010559Right and even if discourse could change this, even if collaboration could work and get people to choose blue, all these faggots are having conversations with the same group of like 40 autists in English on one website. They aren't preaching globalist universalism and humanism to the billions of illiterate nogs and chinks who are going to choose red. It's pure performative virtue signaling for an audience that's already receptive to their garbage messaging. It's the same reason western liberalism infests only white countries; non-whites don't know and don't care. Only people smart enough to engage with it, ironically, are susceptible to its destruction.
>>534010579>if red winsRed always wins. It doesn't matter how many people push for red. Only by pushing the blue button do you introduce risk of death.
>>534010580It's the red button that kills. They are innocent.
>>534010723I said that as a Christian. Pretty sure gambling is a sin. I cant think of gambling your life on a button press isnt a sin
>>534010669well it doesn't come into it with blueno version of blue press leads to me being responsible for killings, except perhaps my ownred can't say the same>>534010677only if red wins, they are not killed by pressing blue, they are killed by a majority pressing red >>534010772LOL
>>534010186>everything is a logic deflectionThe sad thing is you are so deep into your own whiny bullshit that you are actively trying to say having a high intellect makes someone less human. It is the human mind that separated us from the other beasts and what allowed us to conquer the earth and kill off all our hominid cousins. Yet you treat this as a sign of inhumanity because people who oppose you have it. Could it be that YOU are the subhuman? The spiteful mutant who must live in a narcistic delusion where everyone but you is wrong and where anyone who doesn't support your delusion is a monster? You speak of kindness but you know nothing of true kindness or love. It is all just a façade a great game to feed your own ego and make yourself look good to the collective as you slowly destroy it because they remind you of your own shortcomings. The kindness you know is all positive reinforcement, there are no hard talks or painful truths, there is no tough love because you do not truly care, you do not wish to help but only make it seem like you do. You are a parasite twisting mankind's most virtuous behaviors into nothing but hollow and debased facsimiles all for the sake of yourself and the other mutants you run with.
>>534010850Where in the thought experiment does it say that pressing red kills anyone? The risk and condition exists entirely with the blue button
>>534010836Do you know what killing someone means? It means I exert some kind of force against them that ends their life. Pressing red forces no one to do anything. Choosing blue is 100% a personal choice. Anyone who chooses blue voluntarily assumes the risk of death that goes with it. If you really want to hold someone accountable for the deaths of bluetards, it's whoever or whatever constructed this faggoted Squid Game in the first place and forced everyone to participate. You cultists would probably worship whatever did it though, no doubt.
>>534010763I'm not pressing any buttons, my guy. That's for peasants.That's also another option you haven't considered. What if no one presses the fucking jew buttons. But you just wanna kill someone.
>>534010836Ergo you are retarded so I needn't care about your opinion.
>>534010319You know what, doubling down on playing dumb after your bullshit was called out won't work. I wonder how many posts until you try and say you were trolling because lying failed?
>>534010482Oh never mind. You're talking about "You forgot to mention that pushing blue means you risk death while gaining absolutely nothing." that can be deduced from my original post. Are you people retarded?
>>534010850>they are killed by a majority pressing redAnd red has literally no downside so it's the only logical choice.
>>534010723>It IS Christians. If not practicing then Christians that have swapped out their faith in god with faith in some jewish ruleset that's actively killing them. Same slave morality, same everything, just a different coat of paint.This is true. In a real life scenario, a secular leftist or redditor would absolutely not push the blue button, they only virtue signal about it online. However, devoted Christians would be the most overrepresented group among actual bluefags. Jews, Muslims, leftists, Hitler enjoyers, we would all press red.
>>534010849Surely these arguments sound familiar if you interact with other Christians regularly though.
>>534011023Christianity is at its core a religion about believing some fairytale land exists after death for those who cucked themselves the hardest in life. It's the perfect religion for jews to control the masses of goyim.
Midwit debate.
>>534010924if red wins the vote blue diesthe second line? lol>>534011001logical but not moraldefect might be the better play but it isn't the right one
>>534010933Pressing red exerts the force that kills them.If you press the trigger of a gun, it's not the trigger that kills people.Did the people who construct the game force you to press any buttons, numbnuts?You are responsible for their deaths just as much as the person who gave you the button.>>534010945You'd press blue by "mistake". You have that cuck air about you.
>>534011071You guys are right. Christians have a savior complex problem
>>534011101Only by voting blue do you add the risk of death. You keep saying red kills people but that's not what was in the original hypothetical.
>>534010943>I'm not pressing any buttons, my guy.>"But I did have breakfast this morning."
>>534011092
>>534011101>logical but not moralThere's no morality in patting yourself on the back for a situation you put yourself into.
>>534006278it's an IQ test and you apparently scored brown
>>534011170The red button isn't "the trigger of a gun", you just made that up, retard. I could just as easily say the blue button is ingesting a cyanide capsule, which is actually slightly more accurate.>Did the people who construct the game force you to press any buttons, numbnuts?Are you fucking retarded? That's pretty implied isn't it? If abstaining was a choice it would invalidate the entire purpose of the thought experiment. Maybe try having this conversation when you're out of highschool.
>>534004430>>534004488Now i am pressing red to kill you.
>>534011213Yes.>>534011206I don't understand the reference. I don't watch gay porn.
>>534011101Red button says nothing happens and you live. Blue button says blue dies if not enough blue bottons are pressed. Its completely separate from the consequences of red
>>534011170>You'd press blue by "mistakeI'm not colourblind and I know what a proximate cause is. So no.In this case the proximate cause is hitting blue.
>>534011206This doesn't work because he didn't say "I already pressed a button" he is saying he is opting out completly.
>>534011329And the only thing introducing the factor of death is blue.
>>534011318>brings up gay porn out of nowhereThanks for letting me know what's on your mind, I guess.
>>534011276The cyanide capsule kills you. The blue button doesn't kill you. It's the red one that does, dumbass. >Are you fucking retarded? That's pretty implied isn't it? If abstaining was a choice it would invalidate the entire purpose of the thought experiment. Maybe try having this conversation when you're out of highschool.So the niggers who put a button in front of you are forcing you to do things, but you aren't forcing someone to die when you press it?People on the right are fucking dumb.
>>534011318>I don't understand the referenceHe is passive aggressively saying that you are a nigger
>>534010984>The other anon only said that a complete idiot would pick one option, nothing about how obvious the results would be, and your response is that a X poll got a certain number of votes?are you?
>>534011414>sounds gay as hell>out of nowhereJust like the nazis, out of nowhere.
>>534008386It's amazing how removing the irrational ones would elevate humanity then, would it not?
>>534011424>The blue button doesn't kill you.Yes it does, it's the only of the two options that introduces death.
>>534004183Because daughters are more helpless than sons.
>>534011566It only introduces death if someone presses the red button. If no one presses the red button, no one dies.Death = red button.
>>534011360The breakfast thing is about people who can entertain hypotheticals. If someone presents you an absurd binary choice as an hypothetical, and you say I wouldn't choose either, you are essentially saying that you did have breakfast this morning, as you are not engaging with the hypothetical.
>>534002890>>534002890>Are a regular, high T, above average intelligence man>Driving to work normally>Suddenly warped into a dark room. A disembodied voice bellows, "You have two buttons in front of you. Everyone in the world has the same choice. If 50% or more of the entire world chooses blue, everyone lives. If less than 50% choose blue, only they die. Anyone who chooses red lives no matter what. Make your choice">Man recovers from existential panic. Thinks for a moment.>"Man, this is crazy. But, thankfully this retarded god thing forgot to include some downside to choosing red. Everyone will obviously just pick that and live, no one would take an unnecessary risk by pressing blue">Presses red>Finds out 20% of the world died because they pressed blue>"Wow, I guess people were more retarded than I thought. None of them had to press blue at all, yet so many did. Guess they were suicidal cultists. Ah well">Goes to work>"Huh, weird, there's no feminists, faggots, troons, or christcucks here anymore">Finds it's now easy to elect nationalist politicians, seek gainful employment, and marry a family oriented woman>"Damn, those blue guys were heroes after all; they sacrificed themselves so we could live in a world without communist subversion and rampant faggotry">Erects a monument to the heroic blue pressers who culled the world of faggotry>The end
>>534011627>It only introduces deathSo it's the only button that does. Ethical dilemma solved.
>>534011637A hypothetical where you either kill someone or die.You can't win.Alexander couldn't untie the gordian knot by himself, so he opted out of it and cut it with a sword.Instead of doing like Alexander, you follow kike instructions.
>>534011197because it's right there xD more people have to press red than blue for any killings to occurlike blind or......no one presses red no killingsno one presses blue no one to receive killingsas stated, red winning is the death condition
>>534011450He called the experiment a retarded version of the prisoners dilemma, meaning it was obvious. I pointed it wasn't retarded, but actually quite interesting given a poll of more than 60 thousand people voted different from him. By the way, I'm still waiting for you to tell me what exactly i failed to mention about the experiment that couldn't already be deduced from this post >>534003063
>>534011276>I could just as easily say the blue button is ingesting a cyanide capsule, which is actually slightly more accurate.I would say a better analogy would be to innoculate yourself with a deadly virus that does not spread through casual contact, but if more than 50% of the world's population also inject the virus into their bloodstream, you all gain herd immunity.
>>534011692It's like saying 1 + 1 is 2 and you not getting it. Lol.
>>534010250We are just pressing buttons, anon. Dont get too excited. And yes I would save someone who pushed blue by mistake, even yourself. Everyone gets to live if everyone pushes blue btw, not sure why you insist everyone push red if you get the same outcome when everyone picks blue. You really are arguing for a world with no mercy, whether you realize it or not. >I must be some kind of masochist to spend hours arguing with the lowest end of the IQ spectrum.Sure buddy, im sure you are very smart.
>>534011627Why do bluefags believe that only blue could be selected by mistake? A toddler could pick red and you blame them for you dying
>>534011816>like saying 1 + 1 is 2Refer back to my previous point, it's only blue that imposes a risk of death.
>>534011755>A hypothetical where you either kill someone or die.>You can't win.I'd rather kill someone than die.
>>534011755>You can't win.That's usually the point of hypotheticals, you silly goose. If one option were universally more appealing than the other one, it would not be much of a dilemma, would it?
>>534011888Not a bluefag. >>534011911Nuh huh.>>534011941Even if you could avoid it?
>>534011637He answered it by saying that he was not going to pick either. Thus he made a choice in that situation. He entertained your hypothetical by telling you both options were shit to him and he would pick neither. If he said "I already pressed X or Y" button then you can use it because he is no entertaining the hypothetical or making any kind of choice. In the end you are only saying this because you do not like his answer and need to try and shame him for it. He said neither, neither is an option, if you to a coffee shop and they ask if you want cream or milk you can just say you want it black, its not hard to comprehend and you know that.
>>534011867The problem with your thought process is you just assume blue would "win" and no one dies. Your stupidity and/or hubris assumes those Twitter polls are correct and everyone would live, essentially turning this into a no risk virtue signaling hypothetical. However, since I can actually think, I know that a bot-infested Twitter poll doesn't represent how the world actually works; and the billions of people in non-white countries (as well as millions of people in white countries who didn't respond to the poll, or were lying) will choose red. So, you wouldn't be "saving me" by choosing blue, you'd just be dying to. Again I maintain you should simply pick red, save yourself, live, and contribute to the world in a better way than pointless self-destruction.
>>534011329red button says if you win they die>>534011816i think it might be a scaling issue, like you know how certain people can't imagine shit beyond a certain size or complexity, flat earthers and suchi wonder if the 4chan red button thing is something along those linesthey are only running the game for themselves without yomi or social shitliteral autismbecause it's the same really basic mistake everytime
>>534011941>I'd rather kill someone than die.Not just someone, but an actual retard. Would you kill an actual retard to live? Fuck yeah.
>>534011655>"Huh, weird, my parents just died" Oh shucks, thats what those suckers get for thinking about others!
>>534011958A game for slaves. That explains why /pol/ is so obsessed with it.This "dilemma" is pavlovian training. Teaches you it's lethal to be good and it's bad to care about yourself.
>>534012037>red button says if you win they dieAnd still has no consequences, ergo is still the logical choice.
>>534012037Red button doesn't say that. That risk is stimulated in the blue button
>>534012078>Parents died for voting blue in a world with like 6 billion low trust blacks and chinks>"That's sad, I wish I had have thought to educate them on basic human nature, trust dynamics, and pathological altruism">Vows to ensure society never makes the mistake of allowing pathological mind viruses like liberalism, leftism, Christianity, etc to ever compel people to delete themselves for nothing again.
>>534011522Breakfast is gay now?
>>534012142*stipulated
>>534012159The way he eats it is.
>>534002890If the question was just:>You're given a choice between red and blue. If you pick red you live, if you pick blue you dieAnd that was it, would anyone still pick blue? If yes, I'm sorry you're suicidal and I hope you get help. If no, then why does that change with the inclusion of the "50%" clause?
>>534012032I guess you just dont get it. The creator of yugioh had no moral obligation to do this, and yet he did. How stupid of him! It got him killed!
>>534012037Or they just can't wait to kill someone. That guy is a drone operator if I've ever seen one.>>534012159Pressing the red button and killing millions of heterosexuals is.
>>534008982>humanity is when people kill themselvesThanks mister christcuck.
>>534012254Did he press a button and hope for the best? No he actually took a action. He was obviously a red presser
>>534012129i don't think it being logical was ever in questionit's a single game with no defect penalty, obvs defect is the logical option with everything else isolated>>534012271maybe but if>>534012142isn't just a shitter it implies something else.....actually has anyone checked to see if it's a translation issue? what does the setup read like in jeet or jew, maybe it's more basic than morals and just a case of 'they can't read'
>>534012254So you're comparing a man who tried to save people in an isolated incident to people who would needlessly risk their lives and expect others to do the same? Seems like a false equivalence. Also, the people who didn't jump in the water aren't "sociopaths" or "narcissists". Is the yugioh guy heroic? Sure. but I help people every week without risking my life. The choice isn't always, "risk your life and die" vs "help no one, do nothing good ever". Your unnuanced brain can't understand this, I'm sure. In your mind it's "grandiosity or pure selfishness" whereas normal people operate in the range of, "Be a decent person, do the best you can".
>>534012245I agree with this. But without that simplicity, there would be no kike game to make the goys argue among themselves and claiming they'd be killing each other.
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>>534012030A hypothetical dilemma inherently restricts you in an absurd manner. If you apply real-world logic, as in choosing to walk away, you are not engaging with the abstract reality where only the binary choice exists, hence "I did have breakfast this morning".Just say it's a dumb dilemma, that's perfectly alright, but saying "Why would I press a button in this made up scenario" is smooth-brained shit.
>>534012147Now you are just trolling, this gave me a good laugh. Thanks.
>>534012096>Teaches you it's lethal to be good and it's bad to care about yourself.It literally doesn't though. If you see red as the morally evil choice, that reflects your own sense of morality back at you. I choose red, and I see it not only as the wise choice, but also as the morally rightous choice.
>>534012475Yeah, true. It really does seem like a psyop to convince goys the best thing you can do is mass kill yourselves for the "greater good" (which I'm sure will be conveniently defined as whatever helps jews and foreigners). The part that's retarded to me about the hypothetical is it really is just red = live blue = die. The only difference is the additional pointless wording that comes after the blue choice:>red = live>blue = die, unless 50%....But for anyone with a brain, you're not going to choose an option that has "die" in it at all when there's another option that simply lets you live. Reminder that regardless of the polls, 0 people in history have ever actually "pressed blue", because every actual instance of real world self sacrifice had external factors or controllable elements. If simply given the choice to live or die, the vast, vast majority of people will choose live, period.
>>534012245changes who does the killingif blue just kills you then it's on you for pressing itwith the vote in order for anyone to die red must win, putting it on them for pressing red
>>534004430>Blue.And here's your treat for being a good goy!
>>534002890What's with this faggoty ass meme? I don't get it. If Republicans want to win, just arrest the pedophiles. No one gives a shit if someone kills a pedophile so faking assassinations is not going to do it.
>>534012431>Also, the people who didn't jump in the water aren't "sociopaths" or "narcissists".Nope, I just think they are scared. Only bluefags are brave enough to jump into a river to try to save someone else. Its a spectrum. But all of the really good people are bluefags. No exception. You might be good. But not bluefag good.
>>534012648But blue does "just kill you". The "50%" clause is actually a possible reversal if enough people are retarded enough to actually pick blue. It's like the creator saying, "Holy shit, more than half the world really would kill themselves for nothing? Fuck it, let them live". Without the 50% clause blue is a guaranteed death. With the 50% clause blue is still a likely death. Red doesn't change in either case, red is always just the "you live" button.
>>534003063Oh, so it's even dumber then I thought.
>>534012736Even if that were true (it's not), blue fags also overwhelmingly make up the pathological altruists, feminists, etc that are destroying our society. So, you have one yugioh sperg who died trying to save a few people, and in exchange you have millions of pathologically self-destructive women and low T men who are collapsing our entire civilization. Bad trade. Outcome >>> performance, every time. Also for the record I'd jump into water to save a child from drowning and I'd still press red, since those are two completely different circumstances.
>>534012254https://thezacfoundation.org/news/2025/understanding-avir-syndrome-preventing-rescue-tragedies/Had to leave for a minute and came back to this nonsense
>>534012417Red button just says you live. The blue button holds all the risk. Checkmate
>>534012629>Yeah, true. It really does seem like a psyop to convince goys the best thing you can do is mass kill yourselves for the "greater good"If you see the blue button as the greater good, that just means your own mind is infected with the virus of slave morality. The original dilemma as it was presented made no moral judgements on either choice, it just gave you the raw numbers.
>>534012491You just wanna kill goys.>>534012592How is it morally righteous to kill innocents? This is the mentality that leads to low trust societies.>>534012629Red is the smart choice, blue is the dumb choice.Red is the immoral choice, blue is the moral choice.Smart but evil or dumb but good.Goys must choose. Goys must accept this is life and they're never meant to win. Winning is bad and losing is good.
>>534012900I don't see it as the greater good. But it's obvious that's what it's meant to represent for the masses, hence all the bluefag moralizing.
>>534012744nnnnnopei'm not absolving myself just because of some layers of abstraction between my hand and the killingagain that'snobody dies vs blue diered is morally unjustifiable and because this is one of those retarded humanities questions that makes me blue by defaulti really don't get this disconnect, it's almost like that military shit, pretending that responsibility can be diffused up and down the chain lolnah, you do a thing YOU did that thingyou voted to kill blue, own it
>>534012509>A hypothetical dilemma inherently restricts you in an absurd mannerNo a hypothetical is meant to present a fictional scenario in order to try and gage an answer which pertains to a topic you are discussing if a person is unable/refuses to answer a question relating to the topic. The level of absurdity varies depending on the person creating the hypothetical and does not limit them unless it is specifically said they put in a specific limit. You did not do that, you presented a question, he answered it, you didn't like the answer, and now have to attempt to shame to cope. >Just say it's a dumb dilemmaHe did by rejecting it, you are the one trying to shame him for that, rejecting either option says openly "this shit is dumb" >Why would I press a button in this made up scenarioThats what was said though, what was said is that he would push neither button, inaction was the choice he made not questioning why it was there in the first place. Why are you so desperate to do this? Why do you have such a huge investment in defending this retarded dilemma?
>>534012901>How is it morally righteous to kill innocents? This is the mentality that leads to low trust societies.I'm not killing anyone, I'm just saving myself. The bluefags all kill themselves.
>>534012959you're the one abstracting it until it makes sense for you thoughWithout any abstraction, purely functionally, the buttons do this>red: nothing happens to you>blue: you die unless 50% of the population also presses blueThere is no additional depth to this before you started abstracting it as "red is killing others"
>>534012901If you are presented with a hypothetical, and you see the smart choice as evil, you need to reconsider your sense of morality.
>>534012959I'm not opposing this framing because I don't want blood on my hands. If I was world dictator I would order the extermination of all leftists. If the choice was actually, "red = mass murder" and I chose red, I'd own it. I'm arguing and opposing because you're simply wrong. Choosing red doesn't kill anyone, it doesn't cause anything to happen at all. That's why bluefags can still theoretically live if enough other people press blue. 49% of the planet could press red and all people still live. If red was actually a genuine "kill" button, that wouldn't be possible. The reality is as I've already said; red = live, blue = die (unless...). The "unless" clause doesn't magically shift responsibility to the red pressers. If pressing blue kills you 100% or might kill you, there's no real difference; choosing blue is choosing to die.
>>534013009The fact that you neglect that you had any part in their killing is itself immoral.If you were moral, you'd care.>>534013088It's evil for others. Do you think they'll enjoy death? Just say you don't care about anyone. Be honest about it.
>>534012954It's not gonna do much damage in that case. If you choose blue, the damage was already done long before this choice was presented to you.
>>534012873https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0022437512000242
