In order to reliably trust a choice in pressing the blue button, it is necessary that we live in high trust altruistic societies (aka an implicitly white society), one cebtered around caring for your fellow (white) man. If a person does not live in a high trust white society, there is no point in choosing the blue Death Game button instead of just using the Red Nothing Happens button.This is why we see so many people press the red button - because they inherently understand that previously high trust countries in the world today, like America and the Western European nations, are now low trust brown kiked nations, or rapidly becoming as such.Bluetrannies either love to use their choice as moral grandstanding, or they still live in the delusion that we live in a high trust white society. Red Realists understand implicitly that you cannot trust the nigger, the jeet, the other browns, and of course, the jew, to press blue.May we have a high trust white society once again, but for now I'll be pressing Red.
>>534045454>the nigger, the jeet, the other browns, and of course, the jew, to press blueAll the more reason to only let White men vote.It is the only class of people capable of taking responsibility for their decisions.
>>534045454>If you don't gamble your life for literally no reason you don't live in a high trust societyBro this doesn't even make sense
>>534045695>muh votingVoting is how we got here to begin with, the masses thinking that 51% of strangers offering their consent for mister snakeoil promise breaker to hold office over the 49% who offered their consent for mister corrupt lies a lot to hold office is a sound basis for determining who runs the country. The masses need to be removed from the illusion of decision making process entirely.
>>534045454>>534046268Do you retards understand how these choices are supposed to work?
>>534046267>Bro this doesn't even make senseit's a full spectrum information warfare assault against /pol/. These are essentially experimental weapons that won't successfully graduate from testing.
>>534045454It's a Rorschach test
>>534046563That webm made me laugh
>press the "you die" button >you die>don't press the "you die" button >you don't dieWhat exactly is the dilemma supposed to be here?
It's more that I trust my fellow men to not be retarded enough to press blue and introduce unnecessary deaths into the system.
An idea: Someone could set up a global page for the dilemma, to cast anonymous votes under a timeframe, and we get to see the results after the time to vote has passed. A Twitter or 4chan pool just doesn't do it enough justice.
>>534045454>Red button does nothing>Blue button costs you $1000 but if at least half of people press it you get you $1000 backThis is retarded.Anyone who considers blue for more than a fraction of a second is retarded.And even if you're dumb enough to press blue, what happens if 52% are required, or 68%, or 93% to not die?
>>534045454Im sure its a complete coincidence that the buttons are blue and red and not something like white and black; or green and orange.Definately no psychological prepping going on here. Just keep pushing the red button and watch your taxes vanish to Israel.
>>534045454none of this is real
>>534046563I look like this and chase shadows like this.
Hello skico fuck, wtf is up with you and your fucking buttons! Damn it.
The high trust society is pressing red. I trust your good judgment to make the rational decision. It's up to you to be up to standard. If you willingly pick the 'I'll kill myself' button there's nothing I can do for you.
>>534045454I'd rather live in a high iq society where no one presses a suicide gamble button because they are bad at reading comprehension desu
>>534046562They seem to not understand
>>534046821There isn't one. But it exposes retards.
>>534046268red pushers will fail to push this because it's not red and it doesn't inconvenience blues
>>534046562Blueggers are the ones who misunderstand and recontextualize the buttons and how they work. They reshape it into a perversion of a moral argument.They use it as a jumping off point to signal their virtue, and try to convince others that it is somehow noble and virtuous to place your body on the blue altar, because someone else did, or might. They claim to want to link arms with somebody who is putting themselves in harm’s way. They got the question of “if so and so jumped off a cliff, would you?” and their answer was “yes”.Redchads see someone preparing to take their own life, and try to talk them away from the ledge, or taking the gun out of their mouth.Blueggers want to link arms with the rest of the jumpers and take a ride into the abyss.
Is there one of these where I can press a button and it kills all the retard fags that come up with these yiddish hypothetical games?
>>534045454Yeah they almost got me, but if you could inform everyone that just pressing the red button stops anyone from dying, then you'd solve the whole problem. But obviously, stupid people can't understand that.Pretty crazy that this works well as a demonstration why most people should not vote.
>>534047549it's really that simple kek
>>534047433Look how easy it is to manipulate the masses. It's absolutely catastrophic
The blue button is the vax.
>>534045454jew loves spamming these red blue button threads
>>534045454men would press the redwomen would press the blue (because they "feel" bad)/thread
>>534047569It does, they shit themselves, pay 100 and then die.
>>534045454I feel like this is the new brigger myer personality matrix or whatever>omg are you a hecking INTJF red buttoncel?? >becky look, my boyfriend is an efpj, thats so ick
>>534047699
>>534046268
>>534045454Red is monsters and people who fought monsters for too long.Blue is retards, sure. But there is truly no upstanding moral choice here.
>>534050873Why does a court of law have train tracks running through them?Have we run out space? Are things getting that bad?
>>534051125https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=byiWXCFwDME
>>534051280It’s not the same thing. I just think the situation is impractical it’s a matter of practicality. But fine assuming this situation were to occur I would kill the jurors because they would have to be replaced anyway and I have no attachment to them
Is this some new psyop to get people to not vote dem?
>>534050873
>>534051907You're right. Memes aside this doesn't seem very organic. It's probably some weird psychological trick.
>>534048243well, we ARE 'ground zero' for bullshit. if it 'sticks' here, they use it on X.
>>534046563we've never left the cave. probably never will.
>>534053610Schizo take: It's like joining a criminal gang, you are protected, but you have to kill someone first. Or Hollywood, you become rich and famous, but someone you love die.
>>534045454This isn't political. Please fuck off and take your philosophy 101 bullshit with you. Herbs, spices.
>>534045454shows how brainwashed into altruism that society is that people unironically think pressing the blue button is the correct choice.the real choices aren't what you say though, it's>red: nothing happens>blue: you get to pretend to be a good person for putting your life in danger for literally no reason, and tell red that they're hitler for not saving you from yourself and your poor decisionsonce you figure that's what really happens then you realize why people are overwhelmingly pressing blue
>>534054289We really need a philosophy and religion board ASAP, this will fix most boards issues overnight, but the faggots mods just won't have it.
>>534054278Gotdamn look at it twerk that ass.
>>534045454
Redfags are no different than Epstein really
>>534048433Women kill their own children with abortion, do you think they will press the button that could directly kill them ?
>>534045454If you don't risk dying for no good reason at all to save me from dying after risking my life for no reason at all you're an immoral piece of shitt. blue pusher
>>534047569Typical blue tranny thinking that not wanting to push the suicide button is actually a choice made to "inconvenience" the suicide button pushers. This button thought experiment proves that we already live in the idiocracy.
>>534055618>Redfags are no different than Epstein reallyNot really, he is pressing red and telling everyone to press blue, just like all the blue trannies here
>>534056361Its a poorly constructed prisoners dilemma. There should be a third outcome. If 80% of players press the red button, they all get raped to death by blue button pushers. In the real prisoners dilemma, mutual betrayal is supposed to be the worst outcome.
>>534054526>shows how brainwashed into altruismWhat an insane statement. Altruism is what makes societies work in the first place chud. Mindless self-presevation for its own sake is what literal animals do. You are more closer to a basic animal than an actual human being as bluefags are. Dying for others is something exclusively reserved for humans, and not lowly hylic redfags. This test is really a vibe check to see how much of a human being are you. Redfags will seethe at this.
>>534056646If you allow your own child to starve so you can feed two third worlders, is that altruism?
>>534056646>dying for others >that are at risk of death because they choosed to >while they could have chosen the option that makes surviving certain
>>534056361Why dont you flip your pic to show how much people you can save instead? It blows my mind how redfags dont even consider that question before pushing the button. Its always about me, me and me.
>>534056646Your altruism in this specific case is just needless suicide baiting. There is literally no benefit to cooperation at all in this hypothetical
>>534047854im just not going to press any button, checkmate.
>>534056830>1 in 8 billion chance to save everyones lives>or just kill yourself because of how ridiculously pointless your individual vote is except in the specific instance of saving your own life by voting red
>>534056765Why wouldnt I feed my child and then some random third worlder instead you midwit? Its still two mouths fed that way. And by the way if anyone is going to suffer hunger thats me, not my child.
>>534056830...pressing the red button doesn't kill anyone. You don't save anyone by pressing blue. The OP scenario is broken, you might be thinking of some other scenario that isn't presented here. There is not really a choice unless you're suicidal, only by pressing blue there is a chance for any people dying.
>>534045454can someone explain to me why anyone gives two shits about this fucking debate
>>534057060until the red button shows up there is no condition that blues die at all, it's intrinsically linked to the red button only
Blue trannies are literally on suicide watch, LMAO
>>534057125This, I just woke up. Maybe I'll ask cock I meant Grok.
>>534057060WHY ARE YOU ENTERTAINING THIS??THE ANSWERS IS TO WALK AWAY FROM ALL BUTTONS
>>534057156It's the opposite , the first person that pushes the blue button forces 4 BILLIONS PEOPLE to enter a suicide chain to save them
>>534057156This kike tactic of shifting responsibility is getting old. Nobody has a risk of death until blue is pressed. The risk of death is still there even if there is no red button.>>534057217>WHY ARE YOU ENTERTAINING THIS??It's hilarious reading the justifications for pressing blue.
>>534056830You vote blue, blue wins: no one dies.You vote blue, blue loses: between 0 and 50 percent of people can die, you included.You vote red, red wins: between 0 and 50 percent of people can die, but not you.You vote red, blue wins: no one dies.So if you vote red between 0 and 50% of people can die, but not you, and if you vote blue up to 50% of people can die, including you.
>>534056765>If you allow your own child to starve so you can feed two third worlders, is that altruism?it's hilarious reading redfaggots squirming trying to assert they have any virtue pushing red when thread after thread, reds admit they don't care if their family and friends push blue and hope they die for it. normies lurking these threads see right through your disingenuus talmudic arguments and it makes reds seethe to no end. you're anonymous, retard admit you don't push red to save yourself, you push red to kill masses of golden rule blues.
>>534045454>nothing happens.....to YOU
>>534045695>the nigger, the jeet, the other browns, and of course, the jew, to press bluethat's more than 50%, anon.
>>534056530It's not trying to measure cooperation. Just suicidal altruism.
>>534057480Yeah, and the only people who get hurt are the ones too stupid to recognize that absolutely nobody has to push the blue buttonIf you're doing it out of a sense of altruism, you're doing it to save people too stupid to realize that no death has to happen at all
>>534057060The original goes like this. OP is a bastardization
>>534057521He's pointing out that they can't be trusted to press the blue button. They will press the red button because red means that no matter what, you live. Pressing the blue button serves one purpose: to prevent others that don't press the blue button from dying.
>>534045454The REAL question is are you a purple or are you a green?
>>534057424>it makes reds seethe to no endYou're the one who sounds mad lil bro. Upset at the fact that you're a suicidal retard and people exist who reject the idea that they should put their lives on the line to save idiots like you.
>>534057044If you have a kid and you throw your life away by pressing blue, they will go hungry due to your "altruism."
>>534045454>PicWow, blue must be giga based. Imagine being such a cuck as to think ULTIMATE DEATH GAMBLE isn't cool.
>>534057921OP distills the question to its core and essentially is saying the same thing. Consider only the question in the tweet. When you press the red button, you survive no matter what. This is because if less than 50% press blue, then all the blue pressers die but the red pressers live. And if more than 50% press blue, then everyone (including red pressers) live.Because retards were not able to understand this simple fact about the hypothetical game, OP created an image that explains why pressing the blue button is retarded. There is no personal benefit to pressing blue, but there is a personal benefit to pressing red. Ergo, it is safe to assume that most people around the world would press red. You should therefore also press red. And if everyone understands that, then everyone survives since they all press red.tl;dr - Blue button pressers are fools that decide to risk their own lives just to save people that press the "wrong" button.
>>534058232You sound lik the kind of person who gets cheated on while you're at war and that it means you've done some service to soiciety.
>>534057424>reds admit they don't care if their family and friends push blueAll of my family and friends would press red. Red button = you live no matter what anyone else does. Why in the fuck would you press blue? It's retarded.
>>534057817What about babies and color blind people?
>>534058665Not part of the hypothetical. It is worded as if everyone understand the choice. Blues have to add shit like this as if they wouldn't just as likely press red.
>>534045454I just assume that women think with their emotions and would hit the blue buttonI don't think I'd want to live in a world with only red button pushers
>>534056530Is not even a dilemma. That's the catch. Is a straightforward puzzle disguised as a dilemma that has a correct answer. Its actually quite perfect as it is like that, and very telling as well.
>>534058801The hypothetical is everyone on earth>>534057921
>>534058824Only some of the white savior women would hit blue. Most are saying blue but hitting red.
>>534056361Its an iq test. Period.
>>53405846351% blue = nobody dies51% red = 49% of all humanity dies (all altruists) that redfaggots call blue the "wrong" choice tells you everything you need to know about their true talmudic nature
>>534057156There is no "until". Red was there from the beginning. Anyone who thinks about it realizes there is nothing to be gained by oressing blue. If you press blue you intentionally risk death, and you deserve what you get if blue loses.
>>534059028Reds and blues don't hear the same question
>>534058927It's worded as if everyone understands the choice. Color blinds and babies are just as likely to hit red as they are blue. It is not a specific distrinction of the hypothetical. You have to keep coming up with these weird justifications for blue which means you admit red is the correct choice. >"WHAT IF PEOPLE ARE TOO STUPID/BLIND/YOUNG/OLD/BROWN/FOID TO HIT THE CORRECT BUTTON?"
>>534058924>moral tests are logical puzzles.I suppose everything is a matter of logic when you have no sense of morality.
>>534056830>trusting 8 billion peopleFucking lol
>>534059258case in point >>534059183
>>534058463Let's trolley dillema this shit So there's a trolley. It's currently running along a clear, unobstructed rail. If you oress the red button, you will remain where you are, and not be hit by the rail. If you press the blue button, you will be placed on the tracks. If over 50% of the population goes on the tracks, they will by their combined effort be able to stop the trolley without it killing anyone. However, if less than 50% go on the tracks, they won't be able to stop it and it will run over and kill all blue pressers.Blue pressers want you to go on the tracks, to save the idiots who initially went on the tracks for no reason.
>>534059272Yes
Blue pressers are low iq and rationalizing their slave morality first instinctIf were being extremely generous theres a 1 in a billion chance your blue press is what flips the vote from 50% to 50%+1. And theres a ~50% chance you die by pressing blue. Youre basically going "sure ill coinflip my life for a 0.0000001% chance to save 4billion of the lowest iq people in the world"And this is under the assumption you have no idea what % chance others have of picking red/blue, just a rough estimate based on a normal distribution of initial red/blue preferences highly clustered around exactly 50%. This is the most generous estimate for blue since if you have any reason to believe there is any bias towards one side there is even more of a reason to vote red since your chance of changing the outcome drops to basically 0. (If 8 billion people have a 49.99% chance of picking either blue or red instead of an exact 50/50, the probability of getting an exact 4billion 4billion split is about 1 in a trillion trillion.)And for anyone who objects to the extra 50% chance of surviving red gives you, deeming the utility of this postapocalyptic outcome equal to death thus making blue strictly better than red, i have just one question. You do know millions of kids and retards will pick red and have nobody to help them? Youre willing to play a hero and commit suicide for a realistically 0% chance to save anyone, instead of actually staying to help reds if blues fail? Shame on you
>>534059409
>>534059040Indeed, the punishment for red winning is that society is now dominated entirely by the selfish.
>>534045454It is not about that at all, fucking retarded brown person. BLUE IS NOT A REAL CHOICE. IT IS NOT SELFISH VS SELFLESS. BLUE IS JUST NOT A VALID CHOICE IF YOU CAN READ I love the button, it makes niggers reveal themselves, even when they correctly pick red they dont even know why
>>534045454The only way to turn this into a moral argument would be to know what the current count is when you hit the button. If there are 3 people voting and you're voting last, and you see 1 red and 1 blue, you'd be pretty immoral not to go ahead and press blue. But with a blind vote you'd be insane to gamble your life that someone ahead of you voted blue.
>>534059502Exactly
>>534059258Why anyone would pick blue? The only reason why someone would pick blue is for some imaginary problem they themselves invented.>"But what if kids, loved ones and other innocent people picked blue?"But what if they all picked red? You won't know this anyway, at the moment of choice, but you just imagine you do. Imagine something else and pick red, which is the only button that doesn't introduce a danger, and is actually like if you never participated on the experiment at all. Besides, what if someone pick blue with real intention to die? Won't be selfish to decide otherwise for the person by your own sense of morals?
>>534059519That's projection. It's selfish to ask me to join your suicide pact to save you from... the suicide pact you joined.
>>534045454>altruistic societies>white societykekimpossible
>>534045454Is there a button to push that makes people who post this shit die? push that one.
>>534059519>>534059040You people are dumb.See >>534059409>>534059502
Blue pushers care about fun downies who wear sunglasses and like to dance and party and their favorite color is blue and that's all this is really about.
>>534059692Yeah it's the "Post" button. When you hit that button in these threads, it bring OP great pain
>>534059502Bluecucks eternally btfo
>>534059775I'm Blue Daba De Daba Die
>>534059786
>>534045454High trust person picks red because that's the right answer. Low trust person asks 'well what is everybody else picking?' and then tries to follow what they're doing. This is an agent of the mob and whose morality will be whatever shape the mob takes.
>>534059840It's nice to see my OC being reposted. Thanks, bro!
>>534059203
>>534059960What is this convoluted bullshit?
>>534045454I don’t know what OP’s convoluted bullshit explanation is, but I’m pressing blue all day every day. Accelerate. There’s nothing worth preserving when your government can just all but outlaw and replace its main population cohort to such an extent huge numbers of the previous generations of Americans’ children can’t even afford food, a place to live, or families, while our replacements get all of that and more.Blue button, there is no other choice.
>>534057921>OP is a bastardizationBlue button pusher detected. The framing obviously impacts the choice people make. The original framing heavily emphasized the altruism aspect of the logically irrational blue button choice. If this was a psych experiment and the goal was to measure the true propensity for suicidal altruism then you'd want generic "button 1" and "button 2" labels, along with neutral framing that breaks out the entire decision matrix (>>534056361)And from there you could vary the framing and button labels to see how that impacts the results. The original post's framing is loaded up towards the tard option on purpose with the colors as an additional confounding factor, making it impossible to draw conclusions about how many blue tards there actually are.
>>534045454This is not a morality test, it's an IQ test and blueys failed it. Natural selection
>>534045454The entire idea behind pressing the blue button is that you either don't understand what's being asked or you feel obligated to protect other people from their own bad decisions because there is literally no upside, only a possibly averted downside.This is indeed only beneficial in an environment where you're attempting to protect your kin (particularly children who don'treally understand what they do) rather than some random asshole who may drag you down with him.
>>534059887Nah high trust people pick the blue button because we’re sick of living in a world of evil lying psychopathic charlatans. The entirety of society melting down is preferable to living with those kinds of people.
>>534059960In this scenario I believe pressing the blue button would be the best choice, assuming this is all the information I can gather. The choice of pressing the blue button does not seem to come at any cost to the people who refuse to do so, so it is their own choice which brings their demise. If I have pressed the blue button, I have left the door open for anyone to save themselves, and only their own stubbornness will bring them death. On the other hand, if I press the red button, I do have the moral baggage of cutting off the path to escape for someone in favor of the people who decided their life wasn't worth pressing the blue button. Those people are the ones who are unwilling to cooperate and they may freely reap the consequences of their own actions.
>>534057921The way the world is these days, the red button in your original example is the only logical choice.
>>534060365>logic is literally that suicide is better than livingBluebro...
>>534060538>we’re going to trick you goyim into altruism that will be hijacked and used against you no matter what No. Fuck off, memeflag jew. This thread is transparent as hell
>>534056646There is altruism and there is seld destructive behavior. Morons like you can't seem to see the difference. Or understand how altruism work
>>534060619What is altruistic about pressing the blue button? You and everyone else that presses the blue button get zero benefit from pressing it. You have gained nothing.
>>534060641>t. Memeflag Jew who wishes to confuse altruism with bending the knee to the jew via pilpul
>>534060365>I'm going to vote blue so that I die and therefore society will be destroyedSo you are just waiting for enough people to go with you such that it is more catastrophic. The blue button would be your big opportunity to kill yourself
>>534059460>Nietzchetard>redfagLike clockwork
>>534060765Well, I’m a White male. So acceleration is far more preferable than a lifetime in an anti-White male clownworld like we exist in. Blue button for life.
>>534059629>But what if they all picked red?Mathematically impossible. By pure statistics someone will press blue, and you are condemning them to die by pressing red. Thats a moral issue.
>>534060365High trust people would trust everyone to pick the logical choice of staying out of the death gamble.Low-trust people don't trust everyone to not be retarded and on top of that are willing to risk their own lives to save the retards. Thus making them possibly even more retarded than the retards who didn't think through the options.
Half the people here are defending literal suicide ,humanity is fucked
>>534060790are you being nice right now tard?
>>534060990This is the most retarded globohomo jew pilpul thread in a bit. Acceleration is the only option, whatever color button it arbitrarily is.
>>534060749Seethe retard. That doesn't change that morons like you claiming altruism don't even understand the concept
>>534061024That’s been the case for decades now, nigger. Where the fuck have you been?
Pedo detected.
>>534061142>memeflag jew says it can only be altruism so long as it’s the kosher option jews want you to choose Nah. Fuck off
>>534060790https://grokipedia.com/page/on_a_supposed_right_to_tell_lies_from_benevolent_motives
>>534060976Qhat if 51% of people just
>>534045454Why would I trust someone who would press the blue button?
Half the people here are defending literal murder ,humanity is fucked
>>534061347More likely than 100% of people just pressing the red button to live.
>>534061142It is not altruistic to put yourself in danger and expect others to save you.
>>534060976Im condeming them to die? Not the other 7.9 billion rational animals on this planet that pressed the red button? Just me?
>>534061383See my point >>534057302
>>534060976No. I won't condemn no one, that falls on the entity obliguing us to participate on this if we have no choice but do so. This is a private vote, everyone have the same info. Everyone can pick anything for any reason, and you certainly know that you're going to die if you press blue. The pic you posted also applies for your rethoric to pick blue, knowing that death is not even a real threat unless someone pick blue, and again, they can do it also to die, or worse, to push people to decide for a dangerous choice. And lastly, not such a thing as mathematically impossible because your choice is purely a leap of faith, and consequences after it are faith all the way down for both sides. The same faith you have in your conviction picking blue so i have it for the rest of mankind to be guided by divine intervention and pick red without fail, so no one have to risk their life in pointless hazards for some illussion.
>>534061373>why would I trust a high-truster?Gee, I dunno.
>>534061539You are still culpable, no matter how small your share is. I wouldnt press a button that harms others. Its a matter of principles.
>>534057921>OP is a bastardizationNo it's not. It's the exact same problem with the exact same buttons. OP's differ only in that he's attached some stickers and lights around the buttons.
Imagine being the first bluefag. By pushing the button this retard is creating a victim that needs to be saved so that they can claim moral high ground by acting like they are saving a theoretical victim that did not exist until they made their choice. This absolute retard of a person is then expecting half of all people to join them in order to preserve their own existence.
>>534061602I can't trust you if you're willing to risk your life by pressing blue .
>>534061477Yet it is not absolute and not without consequence (both to the blue pusher and to others) if it fails to occur. When pressing the blue button, of one should consider the effects beyond their own death if their gamble doesn't pay off. For instance, if you have children, you are gambling with their future. You have a responsibility to care for them which outweighs any responsibility toward strangers. If you are a surgeon, if the gamble fails, the world is now short one more surgeon.
>press blue>be reaffirmed that we live in a high-trust society>or i die a martyr and go to heaven while the red murderers will burn in eternal hellfire
>>534061122Are you understanding the question? Saving the blue retards is the status quo, not "acceleration." The red button is the more disruptive option.
>>534059519Or by the above 100 IQ.
>>534047744If you can convince everyone to push red, you can convince everyone to push blue too.Nothing has been solved.This isn't a game that can be won.
>>534061728Exactly what i said , this cannot be this hard to understand
there is no rule stating i need to press either button
>nothing happens buttonno, it's the "everyone dies who didnt press this button if enough people press this button" button. let's be honest, i'm not even picking a side here but this is just dishonest framing on your part
>>534045454This bullshit again.Red is the smart choice, blue is the dumb choice.Red is the immoral choice, blue is the moral choice.Smart but evil or dumb but good.Goys must choose. Goys must accept this is life and they're never meant to win. Winning is bad and losing is good. You can never be smart and moral at the same time. The jew doesn't want that. The jew needs you to have a weakness that can be exploited as well as a single strength through which he can rally everyone behind and inculcate fanatism into, which results in a "chosen" mentality over the opposing side.Must be tiresome ruling the world. Always have to make sure the slaves are fighting amongst themselves.
>>534060790>brainmelted by the 2 most irrelevant words in my post because he cant bear the feeling of his kindergarten teacher wagging a finger at him and calling him a bad boy that arises whenever he does anything the longhouse disapproves ofleast cucked canadian
>>534046563Will that cat ever escape Plato's cave?
>>534061888The train platform is the "everyone dies who jumped on the train tracks" platform, if enough people didn't jump.
>>534061784I don't get this "red are murders" idea. The responsible would be whatever forced us in this situation, and yet nobody is forcing anyone to pick a button that will kill them. Your notion of reality is all backwards.
>>534061843You as a person can only influence a finite number of people (much much less than 4 billion) to vote one way or the other. If you convince them to vote blue, you are telling them to kill themselves if your bet goes wrong. If you convince them to vote red, they will live, and you can happily tell them to do it, knowing you saved them. How can you live with the guilt of telling people to potentially suicide themselves for nothing? Wouldn't that stress you out?
>>534061566>The pic you posted also applies for your rethoricNot really. You are arguing that if everyone pressed red, then everyone lives. Yet mathematically speaking 100% of people "will not just". Its far more like that at least 51% "will just" when it comes to pressing blue. And that saves everyone. Just tell everyone to press blue. Easy. You are betting that at least 51% will do. Why wouldnt people pick blue if you ask them to do so?
>>534061728Yeah, that's well put. He's putting himself under harms way, and he expects half of humanity to put their lives on the line to save him.
>>534061956There is nothing moral about endangering yourself in the hopes that others will save you by doing the same.
>>534062039Why are you assuming I'm a button pushing peasant?
>There is no red button, there is only blue button>You can just walk out of the room, there is no inherent punishment for not pressing the button and there is no reward for pressing it>If you press the button and less than 50% of the population chooses to press it you will die, again there is absolutely zero incentive to press it in the first placeThere are people out there who will unironically call you a bad person for just walking out of the room
>>534061997Imagine a cat in a cave with a radioactive atom which might decay in the next hour, linked to a door sensor...
>>534062058There is something moral in not wanting innocents to die.
>>534061790The button you press has an insignificant bearing on the outcome. You press the red button to survive, not to actually influence the final percentage
>>534061956How the fuck is Red immoral? You are doing NOTHING. Those retards who it blue are condemning themselves. This is why leftists aren't fucking people, man. They literally create situations where they're going to be killed, whether by the blue button or immigrants who want them conquered or what have you, then blames the people who weren't that fucking stupid for the consequences of their own actions. Even my smoothbrain of a dog is smarter than they are.
>>534062109Refusing to vote is equivalent to voting red.
>>534062022the blue button doesn't kill anyone. nobody is at risk of death with just the blue button. the text clearly states that the red button is the one that kills
>>534062142Don't worry they all obviously pressed red.
>>534056530>>534058924Exactly, that's why it's so perplexing this caused any discussion at all, let alone that a majority picked the wrong choice in the original poll
>>534062142You realize innocent people are dying while you're fucking around on 4chan, right? Why aren't you helping them instead of virtue signaling?
>>534062109You are the one who suggested convincing people to vote blue. Even if you don't push any, that makes it even worse
>>534062169You are choosing to potentially kill the naive, idealistic, innocent, unlucky people who will die by pushing blue.You don't care about them. That makes you immoral.I'm not a leftist, simpleton.
>>534062142Innocents, yes. Those willingly entering the Ultimate Death Gamble are hardly innocent.
>>534045454talmudic reds keep spamming this psyop because it's not working on the normies. you lost eglin bots. you can't contradict the logical, and more importantly ethical, argument for blue because its virtue is self evident to 99% normies. red sociopaths are a minority in ANY sample size and destined to lose no matter how many of these threads you slide
>>534062242I'm not pressing the button that gets them killed. Try harder.
>>534045454Red pushers don’t think ahead. They will live in a world full of selfishness, the selfless people will be gone. Blue=selfless=jesusRed=selfish=satan
>>534062248I suggested convincing no one. I said if you can convince everyone you can do it to push both buttons so you haven't really solved any dilemma.
>>534059459>sorry, everyone lives :smug:>40% blue>death
>>534062208See those >>534061728>>534057302
>>534062301red pressers will spend the last 40 years of their life in a collapsed society raped endlessly by the criminal majority who all universally picked red
>>534045454I press red not out of a selfish desire to live, but because I sincerely hope everyone stupid enough to press blue will die.
>>534062266You being dismissive towards them like that and not caring is an argument in my favor.
>>534061745Ill ask my kids to chose blue honestly.>surgeonAs much as I would love to continue to help the ungrateful redfags. My hippocratic oath prevents me to do harm. The red button means harm for bluefags. Therefore, I cant press the red button. Now that I think about. You would lose all honest doctors in a redfag world if bluefags die. Think about it. The only doctors that lived ignored the hippocratic oath. Great pro-blue point you just brought up.
>>534062257>You are choosing to potentially killNo, the fuck I am not. I am not killing anyone. I am doing nothing. I am not involved. I did not do something that resulted in their lives being at risk, they did. IF you pressed blue, then you have either saved others, or killed yourself. That's on YOU and you alone.
>>534061956Blue is not the moral choice, it literally demands that others risk their lives to save you. Superman wouldn’t be a hero if he put people in harms way just so he could save them.
>>534062045You get a button in real life that will give you a heart attack if you are wrong and you dont know what everyone else will choose. This isnt a poll on twitter any longer. You are pressing the "I dont want to have a heart attack and fucking die and leave everything on earth behind yet" button. Everyone else will too.
>>534062039I don't press the red button to be safe. I press it to kill those loser blues.
>>534062301It is not selfless to ask others to risk their lives to save yours.
>>534062381>red pressers will command harems of women bear many offspring and be the fathers of the next civilizationOh no!
>>534062423Blue is dumb, not immoral.It's the red button that introduces death, what are you even on about.
>>534062039True, same logic can be expanded to "imagine the button you press is given to a random person on earth, and youre also assigned a random persons button press". The logic of the game stays the same but it strips the "morality" of blue and "selfishness" of red. It is immoral to give someone a blue button and risk their life just for the slightly higher chance you will live if you also get assigned a blue button. Youre doing the same thing by entering yourself as blue, and by trying to gaslight those with even lower iqs than your own to also pick blue.
>>534062404Is it really? If you're about to commit a suicide and expect me to put my life on the line to stop you, I honestly don't feel one bit bad about just watching you go ahead and kill yourself. I can't force you to live after all.
>>534062257>innocent,You aren't innocent for entering a suicide pact and expecting others to join the suicide pact to save you from the suicide pact you entered to save people from the suicide pact etc.... it's all fake performative bullshit. If you press blue based solely on the original hypothetical, you're evil.
>>534062279this red pressers claim to be logical but illogically choose red. every blue at worst dies a holy martyr who will be venerated in this life and the next while their soul goes to heaven. meanwhile reds will witness the last days of humanity before passing down into hell for all of eternity. the choice is obvious
>>534061690>I wouldn't press a button that harms othersThat's the neat part, they pressed it on their own, just like you will. Bye retard
>>534062504>It's the red button that introduces death,Enough with this consequence shifting kike bullshit. The only button that introduces death is blue.
>>534062545The average IQ increasing by 10 points is surely not a hell on earth. That's an exaggeration.
>>534062545>i decided to gamble my life and soul on what button niggers would push>this will surely send me to heavenno!That's not anything related to christianity at least
>>534062045You have faith that your will have 51% votes to not die and also "save" the person who pick blue, and i have faith that everyone who desires to live will pick the red button no matter what. Both are a "dice roll". The only thing that isn't is knowing that you will certainly open yourseld to die for no reason if you don't pick red. What if you were the only one to pick blue?>inb4 the mathThe chance is never 0 and if you went so far to think this way, then you already know the correct answer. You are not as virtuous as you think you are, you have a very low faith on people to not put themselves in pointless danger and believe me, you can also have faith and commit to nothing happening. However, if you want to die, force to you, i respect your choice.
>>534059519>dominated by the selfish says the crab in bucket mentality bluefags
>>534062294>>534062418The original text says>if less than 50% of peopl press the blue button, anyon3 who pressed the blue button diesIE, the red button is the same as pressing nothing at all. The red button doesn't kill anyone. You are filling in what you want to hear so you can be a hero in your own mind. But in reality you are not the main character. see >>534051019
>>534062533They don't see it as committing suicide you simple fuck. They think they're doing the right thing. That's what makes them INNOCENT.You not caring about that makes you IMMORAL.>>534062538You are immoral. Period. I'm not going to convince a subhuman that he is a subhuman. Pointless endeavor.Still talking to me like I'm a button pusher. Read my second post itt.
>>534062279Actually pressing blue is suicide and suicide means you go to hellred pressers are superior to blue pressers in terms of christian morality
>>534062630ruthless selfishness is a sign of low IQ or brain damage anon
This would be more of a dilemma if one person was randomly placed on each side at the start and all voters are able to see who is on which side before making their choice. Then it could be reasonable to risk sacrificing yourself to protect someone you care about.
>>534060790Kant said self-preservation is the highest moral moral duty, as that is how you preserve your rational, moral capacity. On top of that, pressing the blue button would violate the categorical imperative as you would consider other people as a "mere means" to saving your life, even though you have the capability to save your own life.
>>534062625If everyone presses blue no one dies. How retarded are you? Ironic, since red is the smart choice.I know it's not your smarts making you push that button. It's your immorality.
>>534062545Pressing blue is suicide and suicide is a sin
>>534062675>they think they are doing the right thingDid that work in Nuremberg?
>>534062655For less than 50% people to press the blue button more had to press the red one. LOL everyone is brainless here.
>>534062716Pressing blue is immoral. You're just fucking retarded. Also pressing nothing is the same as pressing red.
>>534046544It was fine when it was only land-owning white men who were allowed to vote
>>534062418>The red button means harm for bluefagsthere are no bluefags tho
>>534062501What women? Women would press blue. Redfag world would be a huge sausagefest filled with sociopathic autists. The few women that pressed red will be even more insane than the average woman
>>534062686I can believe that. Putting your own life on the line and coercing everyone else to put their lives on the line just to save you is indeed rather pathological and selfish to the extreme. If that's not a sign of brain damage, what is?
>>534062545>presses blue expecting 72 virgins>demiurge appears and informs you that you failed the ultimate test and your soul is condemned to 500 quadrillion more years of suffering until you learn to press red
So it's basically a "press the red button to potentially kill a bunch of irrational retards"? Can I skip the game and get a button that explicitly kills anyone and everyone with an IQ under 115?
>>534062870>Can I skip the game and get a button that explicitly kills anyone and everyone with an IQ under 115?That's literally the red button.
>>534062823stfu nobody would press blue you act like there's a bunch of heroes walking around
>>534062785Sophistry.Blue button pushers aren't at war with jews, unless you want to come out the closet.>>534062802Pressing blue is dumb, how is it immoral if you're trying to save blue lives you fucking retard.Pressing nothing isn't the same as pressing red. I don't play kike games for NPCs. There is nothing to press.
>>534062675>They don't see it as committing suicidelol literally russian rouletteThey know it's suicide, they know it's a pointless game and the only way to win is not to play (by pressing red)If I gave you a revolver loaded with a single shot and told you to either press the trigger 3 times pointing it against your own head or else I will definitely kill myself, would you do it?
>>534062789You just had to have a little sense of self preservation and responsibility for your own actions and every body lives with no chance of death. Blue fags have crab and bucket mentality
>>534054278>browns they to fly helo>immediately begin twerking instead
>>534062675>They don't see it as committing suicide you simple fuck. They think they're doing the right thing. That's what makes them INNOCENT.You might think it's right to slit someone's throat, but it doesn't mean you can do it innocently. Picking blue is not innocent, it is a gamble which puts your very life on the table as the buy in. Not innocent at all.
>>534062802>Also pressing nothing is the same as pressing red.I think the scenario doesnt allow that option. You have to choose a button. Red kills. And blue saves. Its simple.
>>534062279Suicide because the world is bad is literally the only argument blues have
>>534047307I bet you're really fun to be around.
>>534059040>51% blue = nobody dies>51% red = 49% of all humanity dies (all idiots)fixed
>Reds understand how to create low-trust societies. FTFY you braindead nigger.>>534062944You still don't care for the dead innocents that you pressing the red button is killing. You are immoral. Period.>>534062988What part of DUMB PEOPLE EXIST do you not understand? DUMB PEOPLE that don't deserve to die.>>534062941You're a memeflag.
>>534062928>how is it immoral if you're trying to save blue lives you fucking retard.I already explained this. Entering a suicide pact for no reason is not moral.>>534062538>There is nothing to press.Same as pressing red.
>>534056530Its not. Ther isnt a mutual benefit. There aren't multiple roinds for this one. No signaling theory. Just an IQ test, like Pascals Wager.
>>534063041>>51% red = 49% of all humanity dies (all idiots)The good news is that the average IQ of humanity jumps to ~110. The bad news is that white women pretty much cease to exist.
>>534062823Hypergamy exists little bro
>>534063014Read the original thought experiment. Red just says you live. Blue introduces the stipulation of death. It doesnt mention press red kills blue. That's your nigger brain getting angry no one's willing to jump off the cliff with you
>>534062913>everyone is as ugly as meOf course you would think that
>>534063014>Red kills.Red does not kill. The hypothetical only states that blue kills. Learn to read bluenigger.
>>534063095They don't see it as entering a "suicide pact". I'm not talking about the liberal trannies you're obsessed about. I'm talking about actual innocent people in the world.Normies who are a bit dumb.You're immoral for killing them. You can justify it as them being too dumb to live but that's still an immoral justification.You are an NPC playing into kike games. Don't get it twisted.
>>534063181You literally can't read.
>>534062823Women are no idiots, specially when it comes to shit like this. They pretend and act like idiots and say how awful would you be for no pressing blue on twitter but would press red with no second thought if their lives were at danger for real.
>>534063205I'm not killing them. They are killing themselves willingly.
Bottom line in this red vs blue ordeal:Blues simply want everyone to live. That's it.Reds are selfish pieces of shit willing to kill off billions of people because they have trust issues (spiritual niggers) and justify it as "dude just press the red button and you wont die lol." Half are actual retards that think exactly 0 people will choose blue and the other half take joy in knowing billions will die (spiritual double niggers)At the end of the day, reds are pieces of shit. You will see them do all sorts of mental gymnastics to convince themselves that blues choose blue to virtue signal opposed to simply not wanting people to do (cynicism).
>>534063188I didn't think think you're ugly bro. Don't do it, don't press blue it's not worth it.
>>534063135Basically this MDE sketch thenhttps://youtu.be/svmNH_VaQ9o
>>534063254>people that press red survive What part are you failing to understand?
>>534063205>but that's still an immoral justification.How is it immoral? You can't seriously expect people to literally risk death to save retards. That's literally pathological altruism. Yes, if you succeed, you'll feel good about having saved the retards. But if you fail, you're dead.
>>534063188>red still almost reach 50% In reality red would reach 85%
>>534063292Immoral justifications.
>>534063351>In reality red would reach 85%Facts.
>>534063170Yes, and im sure every /pol/ redfag will become an imposing rapist warlord that would make Genghis Khan proud.
>>534063188The numbers only went to blue as people saw the outcome of the statistics. The results should have only been release after they closed the voting. It was an invalid setup from the question.
>>534063075>What part of DUMB PEOPLE EXIST do you not understand? DUMB PEOPLE that don't deserve to die.I understand but actually yes they do. If your dumbness causes you to be a sinner then you go to hell. This blue button is a huge sin. You are gambling your life away on the hope that the crowd agrees with you. It is like many such social sins that lead you away from God. you are putting the mass of humanity as your god
>presses red>desecrates as many blue corpses as possible>commits suicide
>>534063311>Blues simply want everyone to liveIf they wanted everyone to live they would choose red. Anyone pressing blue wants to die but then wants to blame it on everyone else.
>>534062789Lmao it isn't the act of pressing the red button which kills people, rather pressing the red button is something which correlates with NOT pressing the blue button. Pressing the blue button is what caused the person's death, and not pressing the blue enough is the failure to ameliorate that cause of death. Most versions of the hippocratic oath don't require doctors to put their lives at risk in order to save a patient. Imagine if they dod, though! We would have no doctors left!
>>534063341>people that press blue only die because others pressed redFucking simpleton.>>534063343Read my second post itt. I'm not a button pusher. I'm not advocating for pressing buttons. Those are jew buttons.
>>534063363It's immoral to expect me to save people from a suicide pact to save people from a suicide pact.. etc... Again with the same arguments. Blues in the hypothetical are not altruistic. They are performative.
>>53406329251% choose [my color] = no one dies51% choose [your color] = people die"Dude my color doesnt kill you lol"This logic is on par with shooting someone and then saying they ran into your bullet. Reds are either edgy 13 year olds, demonic, actual retards, and in many cases, all 3.
>>534059258it's not a 'moral test' when there is a literal correct answer. there's no grey. your woman brain is just choosing to interpret it as such, when it doesn't exist.
Blue button is a metaphor for suicidal empathy and virtue signaling. I find it odd in /pol/ of all places to see people arguing for what is essentially "take unlimited low IQ refugees in your country or you're a bad person" in an abstracted form.
>>534063205>They don't see it as entering a "suicide pact". I'm not talking about the liberal trannies you're obsessed about. I'm talking about actual innocent people in the world.>>Normies who are a bit dumb.>>You're immoral for killing them. You can justify it as them being too dumb to live but that's still an immoral justification.>>You are an NPC playing into kike games. Don't get it twisted.Setting yourself on fire to keep someone else warm is not a moral decision.
>>534063431>I just want to watch the world burnSanest redfag
>>534063437There is essentially a 0% chance that 8.1 billion people choose red. Do you still believe in Santa Clause, little Timmy?
>>534063494>This logic is on par with shooting someone and then saying they ran into your bullet.No, this logic is on par with someone shooting themselves and then blaming me for not making guns illegal.
>>534063494>Everyone votes red>Nobody diesIt's literally that simple.
>>534063421Another immoral justification. Stop bullshitting like a kike and just say you are immoral.You are a goy with no soul. You won't admit it because then the jew wins. Then the jew is right about you. So you have to keep wasting my time with bullshit.
>>534061956>Red is the smart choiceThis is objective>Red is the immoral choiceThis is based on nothingYou're the midwit that thinks abstaining from a hypothetical makes you enlightened but you're just a coward. The world is littered with things that seem like the right thing to do on the surface but turn out to be horrific, that's the blue button. The only way to navigate obstacles like this is to consider them carefully.
>>534063470>I'm not a button pusher.I'm pretty sure I already told you that not pushing a button is equivalent to pressing the red button. You still count in the denominator even if you don't add anything to the numerator. Also, you can't keep arguing in good faith for pressing the blue button if you dodge counter-arguments by saying you refuse to play the game.
>>534063547>There is essentially a 0% chance that 8.1 billion people choose redThat sounds like a (You) problem, poojeet. Maybe don't put a gun to your head and threaten to kill yourself unless everyone else does the same then.
>>534063075>18 pbtid>uhm ackshually I don't care about kike gameslol kys
>>534063470No. They die because they pressed blue. Red has no death in the equation.>>534063494Only blue kills. Why are so many of you ignoring that point? Red doesn't kill anybody only blue does. Your analogy is retarded. Red doesn't pick up a gun at all and just watches blueniggers play 51% russian roullete/
>>534063517>it's not a 'moral test' when there is a literal correct answer.I agree, the right answer is blue.
>>534063526>I find it odd in /pol/It's not odd if you frame it in very specific terms. And reasonable people might implicitly see it that way. For instance, imagine that only you, your family, and your friends were forced to play this game. Otherwise the same, and no coordination. Would you press red or blue? Your loved ones might be retarded enough to press the blue button, and you'd help save them by pressing it yourself too.
>>534063646Based, you know what? I changed my mind, I will press blue
>>534063646lol this shit memeBlue is everyone "maybe" lives
>>534045454reds are spiritual jews thinking they can fool anyone with their word games but they can't. you lost. keep making more threads. every single red post self reports their sociopathic nature to want to kill masses of golden rule blues.
>>534045454Your mistake is in assuming that there is a need to press the blue button.You seem to be under the belief that red pushers do so because they lack trust that there are enough blue button pushers.This is not the case at all.I choose red not because I doubt enough people would press blue, but because there is no good reason for anyone to press blue in the first place.The people who choose blue do so because they want to save the people who chose blue.But if nobody presses blue then there is nobody to save.For there to be any blue presses to save, there must have been an initial blue presser who decided to press the blue button to save absolutely nobody.What sane individual would choose to be this person?And if you dont know what others have chosen, you have no way of knowing that you aren't this person.If you are the first person to press blue, you are unnecessarily and pointlessly putting your life at risk and creating a burden that those after you will have to risk their lives to save yours.Its wildly irresponsible.Its equivalent to climbing into a lions den and expecting others to climb in after you to save you.If you can see what others have chosen, then absolutely nobody will pick blue because there is no reason to be the first person to pick blue.If you can't see what others have chosen, then you have no reason to believe anybody before you would have picked blue, meaning you are likely to be the one introducing the risk of death by being the first to pick blue. So why would you do it?People who choose blue do so with an expectation that other people will take care of them.People who pick red do so with an understanding that by taking care of themseof they do not impose a burden on others.You claim that those who choose blue are those who live in high-trust societies, but the truth is the exact opposite.(1/2)
Blue pressers do not understand logic. If everybody pressed red nobody would die. Thus blue is the only unethical choice.
>>534063776>do not understand logicExcuse me, blue pushers understand emotions, okay!
>>534063465Didn't ask.>>534063471No one is expecting anything from you, retard. What a non-argument. No one asked you to save anyone.>>534063538I'm not a button pushing peasant. Someone get it right for once.>>534063578Keep playing into kike games that are designed with your loss in mind.If society was truly high-trust people would press the blue button no problem. We should be discussing how to create high trust societies not to keep debating amongst ourselves and telling each other we'd totally press the button that would kill the other.You are a jewish mind slave.
>>534063771>but because there is no good reason for anyone to press blue in the first place.What if they are blind? What if they are mentally impaired? What if they're infants?
>>534063586I'm pretty sure I already told you I'm not cattle. If someone put the gordian knot you'd trie to untie it with your hands or give up.Alexander the Great pulled out a sword. Alexander didn't play kike games.>>534063625You get owned and you get owned hard and fast.>>534063626Then why doesn't anyone die if everyone presses blue?
>>534063558Humanity is evil. The morality of man and society is evil. It is not God's morality. Putting your life in the hands of the masses on some pointless gamble is not a moral choice. Vox populi vox dei is a great heresy. it's not true. It is not man's place to decide who lives and who dies, it's God's place.
>>534063850I think that part of being a society is building a safety net, that in the off chance you're born handclapped, or that you don't have good parents, you will survive and thrive. Maybe, that's what the blue button is, a safety net
>>534063646"I shoot myself because there are people dumb enough to shoot themselves too" isn't the right choice unless you're literally pathologically suicidally empathetic. You can't save retards from themselves, there simpljy are too many retards who suffer or even die every day directly because of their retarded life choices.
>>534063890put the gordian knot in front of you*
>>534063925>"I shoot myself because there are people dumb enough to shoot themselves too"So you think people that are dumb, shouldn't live?
Imagine you are at a train station. You lay down on the tracks and ask everyone that walks by to come down and pull you off. When someone does you tell them to thank you because you saved their life since neither of you were hit by the train.
>>534063890>Then why doesn't anyone die if everyone presses blue?Blue is conditional, red isn't you fucking illiterate troglodyte.
>>534063834>If society was truly high-trust people would press the blue button no problem.One would think that in a high trust society, you could trust that your fellow man is not so retarded as to willingly put himself into a death situation that then relies on others to bail him out (while also putting themselves in the same death situation) and instead choose red.
>>534063986Blue is conditional on red being pushed, therefore the condition for death is red being pushed, not blue.Kill yourself spic.
>>534063550Blue is the choice that, if it "wins", nobody dies. LOL @ you struggling with this basic concept. >>534063612>sounds like a you problemAt least youre admitting you're a selfish piece of shit>>534063626See >>534063494You people are actual retards
>>534063890>Alexander didn't play kike games.Clearly he did. You'd refuse to try to solve the knot at all, and you'd still consider yourself superior to those who did but failed even though you're no different. You're functionally a red button presser.
>>534064031Trust isn't about trusting someone to be smart, it's about trusting someone will be decent.Fuck sake /pol/ really is full of pseuds. I'm out this shithole.
>>534064040No it's not. Refusing to press any button at all is equally dangerous to the blue pressers.
>>534063985A more accurate analogy is that you lay down on the tracks, and the train will only stop if 20 other people all lay die as well. Or just... don't lay down on the fucking tracks.>>534064043>you're a selfish piece of shitIf I was selfish I wouldn't be trying to convince you retarded pedophile jeets to pre- you know what press blue :)
>>534063850The blind, and the young, without guidance may inadvertently push blue with the mentally impaired. eg. the typical blue button pusher.The only moral position for sane red button pushers is to remove all decision making ability from blue button pushers, for their own good.
>IF YOU PICK RED YOU GO TO HELL REEEEEI bet the majority of you don't even believe Christ is king, fuck off.
>>534064047No you low imagination dumbass, I'd create a high trust society where everyone would press blue.
>>534063985Terrible analogy.In reality, someone is stating "if no one crosses this line, everyone lives. If someone crosses this line, everyone dies except the person that crossed the line" - and then you running across the line because your nigger brain assumes somebody else is going to do it first.
>>534064093>trusting someone will be decentThe decent thing is to not put yourself into a death situation and then expect someone else to put themselves into a death situation to save you. Sounds like selfish assholery nigger behavior. AYO BLUD IF YOU DONT ROB DIS BANK WITH ME IMMA DIE CUZ
>>534064040Blue is conditional on blue being pushed. Your kike word twisting gobbledegook, and feminine blame shifting aren't working here. Red doesn't kill anyone. Have any of you kikes actually read the original hypothetical?
>revised version of the thought experiment where blue needs to reach 99% to surviveWould a single bluefag itt still try and convince you people should vote blue. Do they realize from a game theory perspective nothing changed. Even at a 1% threshold for blue its still the wrong choice
>>534064140And I'd create a high trust society where everyone would press red.
Here is what happens to blue button pushers irl. Except they want to impose this on everyone, not just themselves.
>>534063771Social trust is built on the assumption that as an individual i know other members of my society will not impose upon me through their actions and decisions. Those who choose blue place a burden on society, while those who choose red do not.The blue button pushers claim that they are altruistic and that red pushers are selfish. They claim that a society comprised of red pushers is a low-trust hellscape of people only looking out for themselves.The truth is the entire opposite.High-trust societies can only be produced by red button pushers, because to be a productive member of society you must be capable self reliance and rational self-interest.Individuals can only cooperate in meaningful ways when they can be expected to act in rational ways.Blue pushers are not collaborative, they are codependent. Blue pushers are not productive members of society.No, they are parasites on society, relying on it wholly for their own existence.
>>534064226blue pushers are legitimately selfish niggers.
>>534045454Who the fuck keep forcing this shitty meme?
>>534063850You are introducing variables that are not part of the thought experiment.The experiment presupposes that everyone is making an informed choice.
>>534062848pressing red is the immoral choice so it obviouslyh can't be the right choice in a morality test
>>534064224Another immoral justification. The most laughable one yet.I don't think you even know what trust means.>>534064189>>534064193LOL didn't read.
>>534064321Lmao nigger is mad for being called out.
>>534064126>convinceLOL Allow me to simplify this: there are 99 people. 54 have anonymously voted blue and 54 have anonymously voted red. >be you (actual retard)>think you're saving people by convincing the last person to vote redYou'll seriously struggle to mentally grasp this because, you know, being a retard and all.
>>534063973Yes, absolutely. If I had a button that killed everyone with an IQ under 115, I would press it instantly. I'd fucking smash it until it broke.
>>534064316Good thing that this is not a morality test. Also blue is the immoral choice. If you expect me to enter a suicide pact to save you from a suicide pact, you're not altruistic.
>>534064321All you do is insult and demean those who respond to you with logic and reason. I honestly would not want to live in whatever you mean by a high trust society. My high trust society would be kind and rational. Yours would clearly be cruel and illogical.
if you're not living in a blue button world, is that life really worth living?
>>534064271Probably the side with most pbtids
>>534064367>Allow me to simplify thisNo need you selfish nigger. We get it, you think you're Jim Jones and everyone needs to die for you, you piece of shit.
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>>534064316immoral according to who?
>>534064415You are all dishonest maggots.
>>534064226indeedsadly almost all women, all faggots, and most of the immigrants (who do what they are told by glowies, being used to that... "they just wanted better glowies bro") pushing blue button is probably over 60%napoleon & feminism made sure of that
>>534064425We already live in a blue button world and it fucking sucks. It's all performative virtue signalling.
>>534064388it obviously is a morality test and the fact that you can't see it as such is precisely why you're a red presser condemned to be raped and tortured in eternal hellfire
>>534063311Your vote literally does not affect the outcome in a meaningful way. You are just killing yourself for a delusion of grand importance.
>>534064472Yes, that's the kind of discourse I'd expect to hear a lot in your high trust society. People would talk more like me in my high trust society.
>>534064452>innocents go to hellcalvinist pilled and NOT based
>>534064452Kek
>>534064448Says the guy who would literally convince a person to kill off 49% of humanity because he's a retarded piece of shit LOL
>>534064425>mass migration>vaxxed to the max>globohomo>fake "meat" goyslop>climate panic>boomer pensions > economyYup, it's a blue world alright
>>534064367>Allow me to simplify this: there are 99 people. 54 have anonymously voted blue and 54 have anonymously voted red."Simplified" by removing the premise of a PRIVATE vote and presenting a completely different scenario.
>>534064502amen>>534064425a red button world made sure blue button even had the mathematical possibility to exist faggotit does not work the other way, just look at communism: people from those countries are still fucked in the head after almost 50 years
>>534063921No, it isn't. Its an unnecessary gamble that imposes a burden on those who come after you to put themselves in danger for your benefit.Its reckless, selfish, and irresponsible.
>>534064536I am catholic
>>534064502You're assuming all leftists would press the blue button when it would come down to it.>>534064532You've been saying killing innocents isn't immoral and now you're trying to play the fine aristocrat because I said some mean words.You are a worm. I see through you and your weak bullshit.
>>534064504It's an IQ test and every blue presser fails it. It's not evil or immoral to decline a suicide pact to save people from a suicide pact. It is immoral to sign a suicide pact and expect others to sign it just to save you from it. I am just simply not playing your pointless game of russian roulette so you can gloat that you're a good person.
>>534064528>your vote doesnt count... so just vote red!Spiritual kike
>>534064478>pushing blue button is probably over 60%I'm not so sure. People tend to get quite a bit more honest when they're literally putting their life on the line. If these buttons were really, peoples' survival instincts would make tons of people seriously reconsider their misplaced altruism.
>>534063726Welcome brother
>>534063973People who make bad decisions should be expected to suffer the consequences of those decisions.
>>534064382>Yes, absolutely. If I had a button that killed everyone with an IQ under 115, I would press it instantly. I'd fucking smash it until it broke.What if it's one of your family members?
>>534064599Red nigger cant read lmao! I literally said "anonymously voted"
>>534063834These 'kike games' actually track onto reality. So do fables. The reason they feature loss is because that's how the world works. You cannot sustain yourself without killing something. Is this unfortunate? I think so but no one has any choice in that regard, we can try and make things as frictionless as possible to minimize undue suffering though.
>>534064572>kill off 49% of humanityIf that 49% of humanity was stupid and selfish enough to put themselves into a situation where they're going to die off unless others do the same, then they deserve it for being evil pieces of shit. Worse than the jews.
>>534064638Your individual vote is not saving the world. Your individual vote IS introducing a condemnation of death upon you if you misread the intention of the entire world
>>534064617>You're assuming all leftists would press the blue button when it would come down to it.If it were to really happen, most leftists would press red. Most women would press red. Most third worlders would press red. The reason this hypothetical is great, despite being so simple, is that it pulls sociopaths like you out of the woodwork.
>>534064617>You've been saying killing innocents isn't immoralI already explained to you that willfully joining a suicide pact actually makes you not innocent. Also, I really am this much more refined and well-mannered than you. I don't need to play anything. I don't need to call you all the insults under the sky because I already triggered you way harder simply by winning the argument.
>>534064672Do it with something else like money and the scenario becomes obviously stupid.Everyone has to take a private vote. If more than 50% of people press the blue button, everyone receives a million dollars.If less than 50% of people press the blue button, only people who pressed the red button receive a million dollars.
>>534045454Very cool image, nice illustration
>>534064731Anonymously voted but somehow we know its an even split and 1 more red vote kills everyone.How do you know with such certainty there would be even split. Retard!
>>534064725I have no retarded family members, but in the hypothetical scenario of there being one, I'd still press the button that kills him if it meant a world free of retards (and by extension niggers).
>>534045454I'd press both simultaneously at the exact same fraction of a second poooooooffffff
>>534064811So I'm a sociopath if I pressed red? Way to tell on yourself. Then the Finn starts crying because I call you a clueless retard.>>534064821All you explained is how much you don't care about innocents dying because you pressed the red button. That's all.You're an aloof sociopath with manners. How sophisticated.
>>534045454Nigger
>>534065002>So I'm a sociopath if I pressed red?You're a sociopath for calling red pressers immoral, and completely ignoring the rules of the hypothetical.
>>534063494You just explained perfectly why the answer is to pick red, in your example.
>>534065002if I press*
>>534064959>I have no retarded family membersMe neither, but I don't know about the 115 IQ thing. I'm sure my family isn't the brightest, and I wouldn't want them dead. I don't think the value of a person is connected to their IQ... And why 115? This is such a specific number.
>>534065066Why would that make me a psychopath? You're the one pressing the button that kills people. I understand the part of not wanting to die, but you must understand the part of not killing innocents.You are made to be immoral against your will. You can't win this game without losing something. Your life or your humanity.Why is this so hard to grasp?
>>534064959>retardedThey're not retarded, they're evil.>Hey, I pressed this button and now I'm going to die unless you press the button with me>Oh man I don't want you to die!>Great! Now you have to convince the 51% of the rest of the world to do the same>WTF I DONT WANT TO DIE YOU NIGGERRinse and repeat. This thought experiment isn't about the greater good, or showing who is retarded, it's about outing evil demons - those who pressed blue and condemned you to death unless you play their Jigsaw game.
>>534045454YesTeam red is the right choice
I thought about pressing red, and I think that the majority of people in a life and death situation would press red. But you know what? I want to live in a world in which people press blue. If you press red and win, you will live in a world in which everyone alive pressed red. If you press red and loses, you will have to live knowing that you tried to wipe 49.9% of the world's population
>>534045454why does /pol/ consistently fail this hypothetical?>if you could rape and kill a baby without facing any consequences at all, would you?>/pol/:OMG YOU WOULD BE A FOOL NOT TO DO IT, THERE IS LITERALLY NO CONSEQUENCE AND YOU ARE SAYING YOU *WOULDN'T* DO IT?!?! MY LOGIC DICTATES THAT YOU MUST DO IT, THERE SIMPLY IS NO CHOICE HERE!
>>534065350>life and deathlife or death*
>>534063494It's impossible for red to introduce the possibility of death by itself, simply pressing it cannot be considered murder. The possibility of death is only introduced when blue is pressed and because it's voluntary it's suicidal by definition.If you actively convinced someone to press blue, then you pressed red that's a different story.
>>534065294>Team red is the right choiceWhat about infants? And retards? The altruistic people that chose blue?
>>534060308>>534061728You're convincing me to pick red but only in this low hanging fruit dilemma where pressing red doesn't lead to any consequences or if we assume we're dealing with a very low trust society.
>>534065436No but it's not immoral to kill those and saying it is doesn't mean you're a retard, a worm or a subhuman. Far from it, we're creating high trust societies where the streets are psychopath laden.
>>534065146>This is such a specific number.I just picked one standard deviation above the average, there's nothing more to it. It's around the range where the qualitative differences in thinking begin to manifest.
>>534065436I'll go as far as explaining to them why they should choose red, after that is up to them. Or they can give .e authority over them and I'll order them to choose red.
>>534065199>You're the one pressing the button that kills peopleWe keep going in circles here. As per the hypothetical, only the blue button kills. You are certified kike. You keep projecting and blame-shifting.
>>534065632If the blue button kills, why does no one die if no one presses red? There will be no answer.
>>534064612then why don't you have faith?
>>534064165No, thats not the analogy at all.The analogy is "nobody cross this line. Anybody who crosses this line will die unless a majority of people cross this line"Crossing the line is obviously dangerous.If you actually care about other people, then the thing to do is not to cross the line but rather to go around and caution people not to cross the obviously dangerous line.As soon as somebody crosses the line then you have a crisis you have to deal with, but you can avoid that by just telling everyone not to do it to begin with.Red pressers would try to coordinate with everyone to make sure they dont pressers blue, while blue pressers would just impulsively pressers assuming everyone else will be impulsive too.
>>534065769The answer is in the hypothetical. Nobody can die until blue is pressed. Just because blue has a win condition doesn't mean red kills. Only blue pushers can kill.
Nobody answered the question about the infants, they can't consent to that. They can pick either button and accidentally die.>>534065631>Or they can give .e authority over them and I'll order them to choose red.No, dude, they can't, a baby cannot give you authority over their lives, babies cannot consent.Guys, look at the type of people that picks red. That's the society you want to live?
>>534065932So let me get this straight.If everyone presses blue no one dies and your answer is that people die by pressing blue?Red button pushers aren't smart at all. Just NPC's.
>>534065932>Only blue pushers can kill.What about an infant?
>>534065350>>534065769read and understand >>534065424
>>534065932that’s some mental gymnastics only a selfish evil red could come up with you’re lucky most people choose blue or else you would be in hell on earth >>534065932
>>534066077Blue has the only condition of death. Stop pretending to be retarded.
>>534066100>think of the children!!!!!!!!
>>534065350>have to live knowing that you tried to wipe 49.9% of the world's populationNo, I fucking didn't. They did it to themselves and I tried to stop them by telling them that pressing blue is retarded and going to kill them. If they haven't listened, that's on them. They've killed themselves.
>>534066142Death is predicated on red being pushed and the proof is that if no one pushes red no one dies. You love being wrong don't you.
>>534066100Infants can kill themselves if unsupervised and it happens all the time. Blue is the poisonous chemical parents try their best to keep away from them. What a terrible arguement
>>534066106I'd rather look at the contents of a trashbag than read some more NPC drivel I've already been over 100 times.
>>534066216>Death is predicated on red being pushedWrong. It's only predicated on blue being pushed. You keep going in circles and are intentionally being retarded and shifting blame.
>>534066208>They did it to themselvesWhat about an infant or a tard?>>534066271>Infants can kill themselves if unsupervised and it happens all the timeTrue, but this time, this time you can change that. Wouldn't you?
