How do atheist's reconcile with pascal's wager?>inb4 b-but there's 4000 Gods to choose fromOnly Christianity and Islam threaten eternal punishments for non-believers, so you've narrowed it down to two. I think anyone who looks into either religions will conclude Christianity is more likely to be true than Islam, all else being equal.
What kind of God would respect someone who's only worshipping them as a probabilistic gamble?
The fruit of your churchhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyUWQscFeeY
>science deals with factsSince when? Science is just as faith based as any other religion.
>>534049297Once you start learning the back stories of all these other gods. You realize that they're man-made creations designed to mind control the ignorant populous
>>534051559>>534051868Judas' wager:Believe in God and become subservient to jews in life.
Science is based on empirical evidence. There is presently no experimental method to verify or assess the possibility of any sort of deity. Any claims or attempts to do this exit the realm of science and are just as faith based or philosophical. People tend to overreach in their search for meaning.
>>534051559fpbp. There is supposed to be a genuineness to your belief. God surely knows if you truly believe or if you're just faking it on a gamble, right? You think you can fool him with a cheap gambit? Good luck
>>534049297>Christianity is more likely to be true than IslamHow so? Also, you also have multiple sects within these religions that hate each other.
>>534052118And yours isn't for some reason?
>>534051559>gambleThe God of the Jews would respect the shit out of you for that
>>534052246>You think you can fool him with a cheap gambit?why do you think I own a chicken coop?
>>534052118Learn math, that doesn't refute pascal's wager.
>>534049297But why would God be an asshole like that? It makes Christianity and Islam false
>>534049297>>534052246Also, the idea that you "lose nothing" by faking a belief is false, especially if you're being a so called "good Christian." Being Christian is more than just 1 hour of church a week (even though that alone is a lot over a lifetime). It's supposed to be an everyday thing that influences your decisions, your thoughts, your words. It's a whole way of life if you do it "right." So yes, you actually lose quite a lot if there is no god and you live your life like there is one
>>534049297Modern pascal wager: God may or may not exist but the other side is so hellbent in praising pedophilia and communism that I prefer to have deists as peers
>>534052283I didn't mean to ramble on but that's why you should pick the sect within Christianity that is most likely to be true and which covers the broadest possible banners.Non-denominational makes no sense to believe in since they believe all Christians go to heaven, while Catholics believe only Catholics and a few others go to heaven, so for example, it always makes sense to be Catholic over non-denominational.Certain sects like Anglicanism were only created because a guy wanted to divorce his wife, so I think we can rank it below Orthodoxy and Catholicism.Studying the history made me conclude that of all the possible versions of Christianity, only Orthodoxy and Catholicism make sense to believe in.
>>534052292Yes
>>534052549>It makes Christianity and Islam falseUnfounded claim
>>534052613>Studying the history made me conclude that of all the possible versions of Christianity, only Orthodoxy and Catholicism make sense to believe in.The only conclusion that can be made in the modern world.
>>534049297>Only Christianity and Islam threaten eternal punishments for non-believers, so you've narrowed it down to twoThere is also a possibility of a god who is a huge troll that just doesn't let anyone know he exists. And he sends all people who falsely believe in any god to hell. While heaven is reserved to those who didn't fall for the false religions. Also the clown world reality is much more in line with a troll god like that so pascal's wager is laughable at this point.
>>534049297If Vishnu exists, he wins, if he does not exist then I have lost nothing by eating shit and drinking cow piss
>>534049297>haha, I tricked god. god can't tell the difference between genuine belief and cynical manipulation.
Pascal's wager applies to more than just Christianity and Islam. I could literally make a claim right now and the same logic would apply.OP, if you don't mail me all your money then your soul will burn in hell for eternity. See? It's that easy. If you don't do it then you don't really believe Pascal's analysis that giving up something finite is a mathematically sound decision when the consequences of not doing so are potentially infinite.Pascal's wager is childlike troll logic desu
>>534052601>but the other side is so hellbent in praising pedophilia and communismThe solution to that is a religion created by jews that worships a jew.4chin is peak idiocy.
>>534051559What kind of god incentives pragmatism and predation, shows zero evidence of his own existence, then expects food and labor dependant organisms to attribute their survival and glory to some nebulous asbsent being? Why is the supposed creator of the universe less susceptible to accountability than a fucking mcdonalds shift supervisor?
>>534052789Hinduism doesn't promise eternal damnation for non-believers so you win nothing by ever believing in him.>>534052771What a childish argument
>>534053321Thank you. I was trying my best to match the tone of the original argument. I can't believe people would still use pascal's wager in current year. But it is kind of an indicator of how brainwashed you are by your religion.
>>534052789You eat cow shit (for breakfast)!
>>534053571>I was trying my best to match the tone of the original argument. No, it shows how childish you are for even thinking it was anyform of a rebutal.If someone isn't convinced by Pascal's Wager, it doesn't mean Pascal's Wager is a bad argument, it means the person is highly uneducated. The solution isn't better argumentation, but better education for people like you.They kept you uneducated intentionally because they wanted to brainwash you, and it worked.
>>534049297If God is real I want nothing to do with him. He is a manipulative psychopath from his actions in the Bible and I would rather believe he's the demiurge than believe that the universe is fundamentally evil.
>>534054225>No, it shows how childish you are for even thinking it was anyform of a rebutal.>>If someone isn't convinced by Pascal's Wager, it doesn't mean Pascal's Wager is a bad argument, it means the person is highly uneducated. The solution isn't better argumentation, but better education for people like you.>>They kept you uneducated intentionally because they wanted to brainwash you, and it worked.Pascal's wager is a bad argument, it's just an attempt to get people to begin having faith and hoping they'll delude themselves into being as retarded as any other religious person. The entire wager still requires you to believe in nothing for the sake of nothing.
I believe in God, but Pascal's wager can be countered by simply positing an all powerful being who PUNISHES you for your belief.Since you have no direct proof of either's existence, or the veracity of either claim, adding a being who punishes you for being Christian nullifies the 'up side' of the wager.That said, I believe in God. I just don't think Pascal's wager is a good reason to do so.
>>534055363If somebody isn't convinced by the Wager argument they have very poor cognitive abilities. Anyone who understands math ascribes to Pascal's Wager.
>>534055512Pascal's Wager is the only good argument or rational reason to believe in God.
>>534049297everything humans believe is made up (yes, including "morality") and none if it objectively is real or exists anywhere beyond our imaginations
>>534055529>If somebody isn't convinced by the Wager argument they have very poor cognitive abilities. Anyone who understands math ascribes to Pascal's Wager.Wrong again christcuck. There is no god, it's an incredibly stupid cope by the religious to attempt finding a great reason they're not mentally ill..
>>534055562No, it is not. The argument from design is the only bulletproof one I have discovered.>Why anything at all?>Why does the universe support life?>What are the odds against things being just-so for us to exist (practically infinity:1)
>>534055640Gambling on eternal damnation makes you extremely mentally ill. It should be considered a form of self-harm/suicide but worse, since eternal damnation is worse than whatever the alternative is.When someone knows what Pascal's Wager is but isn't a Christian, I know the education system has failed.
Despite Reddit analysis: hell exists in the OT; so you can be punished according to traditional Judaism.
>>534055747>Gambling on eternal damnation makes you extremely mentally ill. It should be considered a form of self-harm/suicide but worse, since eternal damnation is worse than whatever the alternative is.Choosing not to bother thinking about something that doesn't exist makes me mentally superior to you in all ways, you are a mental invalid.
>>534055916You're an uneducated illiterate throwing yourself into hell for no reason.You're inferior to me in every single way possible.
>>534055679>Why tf chemistry?Yeah, universe has to be by design. >We live in a simulationNo shit, the bible said that thousands of years ago.
>>534056456>You're an uneducated illiterate throwing yourself into hell for no reason.>>You're inferior to me in every single way possible.Unfortunately for you nothing the religious say means anything because they believe in nothing.
>>534056542>they believe in nothing.No, they objectively believe in something, you just think it’s incorrect. Instead of being a contrarian, offer alternative explanations. What do you think is the nature of the universe and the reason we are here? What do you believe happens when you die?
>>534056915Sorry, and why?*
>>534056915>No, they objectively believe in something, you just think it’s incorrect. Instead of being a contrarian, offer alternative explanations. What do you think is the nature of the universe and the reason we are here? What do you believe happens when you die?No they believe in nothing, because their somethign does not exist.
>>534051559ask a jew
>>5340492971. Sheldon Cooper is a fictional character2. Pascal's Wager is not an argument for God. It's a cop out that scares someone into pretending to believe in God. It ultimately does God no favors for people to say they believe in Him while never experiencing Him directly.
>>534049297Dawg, I'm gonna be honest, I'd rather kill you.
>>534051559the same kind of god pathetic enough that it wants to be worshiped by ants
>>534049297>sheldon cooperA fictional affair baby sperg from a show written by jews, based on a character from another show made up by jews>the christkike thinks this is a convincing argument in favour of the jewish nonsense in the bible
>>534052204Ok
>>534049297Why didn’t he pray to Ishtar then? Or baron samedi? Same rules apply
>>534051559God most likely doesn't. Just like those Christians that do evil then get forgiveness from a Priest. They're both tyoes are selfish. God is the only judge that matters
>>534049297There is something to loose, your anal virginity if you a young boy in the catholic church.
>>534053321>Hinduism doesn't promise eternal damnation for non-believers so you win nothing by ever believing in him.Yet they'll get it anyway since they know nothing of God
>>534051559the god of a jewish rabbi who claimed to be the son god son of himself, who raped his own mom to give birth to himself, to die for the sins of the jews so he would forgive them their sins. >tl;dr a jewish god
God isn't real, touch grass and have coitus.
>>534049297Theres no need for fancilful professing yourself wise, and become a fool- types of tropes in philosophyYou either know or are living in denialHardly anyone is ignorant of the existence of Jesus Christ any moreIts moreso the slandering lot of unbelief that laps their discontent unto the perfect manAkaThe accusers>picrelTry prophesying your exact Redemption of man from the first line in the book your writing about yourself several thousand years beforehand, to the exact noteAnd then Youre gonna remind people again and again and again, and theyll still get it wrong after the fact
I was an atheist for well under a decade. I am no longer an atheist, no thanks to the help of any arguments made by religious people, but only by directly experiencing the Holy Spirit.You can't create belief through fear, only compliance. True belief is knowledge, not blind faith. It may not be the case that you can effectively communicate that knowledge to others, as our Earthly words often fail to describe the divine. But just because you can't describe it doesn't mean you shouldn't understand God's truth greater than anything you've read in a book.
>>534049297>How do atheist's reconcile with pascal's wager?By not believing in God or gods
>>534051559God of Mathematicals
>>534052026in the theoretical and soft sciences, maybe. The actual hard sciences like math, engineering, and (some)medical are backed by rigorous experimentation, wide scale peer review, and repeatable real world applications despite the vast perversions of modern academia
>>534058055How does it feel that you've experienced the divine and somehow related that experience to a Jewish devil god branch off? Like a fucking NPC retard?
>>534058055Well over a decade*Had a brain fart when I wrote that I guess.
>>534057615This doesn't disprove anything the other anon said
>>534051559the same one that is fooled by sliding light covers?
>>534056482>simulationI mean, what is a 'simulation' anyway? It's just a 'posthumanist' internet trend of saying 'we exist inside a higher reality'. Making assumptions about the nature of that higher reality, or how it contains our reality, is where it gets tainted.Why does chemistry happen? Why are the relationships between strong/weak nuclear forces just as they must be? Why is gravity so weak by comparison?It's the perfect setup to allow atoms to form, molecules to exist, and to allow those molecules to clump together without becoming black holes. Perfect to get these pockets of complex chemistry.There are two options that explain this. 1) It was intentional. 2) There are near infinite universes.But I will say this: If you have to posit infinite universes to explain something, you're desperately trying to avoid the more obvious conclusion.>Hey anon, I had my wallet on the counter and $50 disappeared. But only you and I are in the room.>Pfft, you just experienced a quantum fluctuation event bro. Every single atom in those bills decided to arbitrarily pop out of existence all at once. Crazy huh?>No, I think you stole it.>That's perspective bias. Anthropic principle. It only SEEMS probable because you just so happen to live in one of an infinite array of universes where your money disappeared from quantum probability>I think you just stole my money>Pffft, you're anti-science
>>534052471The refutation of pascals wager is that you've wasted the one life you had worshipping a kike on a stick for the hope of eternal kike stick worshipping on a cloud instead of said stick kike sending you to be be raped by his 'fallen' children.
>>534051559If you disagree with the job someone's doing then all you do is assume their role, much like athiests . .
>>534049297One need only experience God's Mercy to love Him.
>>534058190Being raised in the West, it helps to use the language of Christianity (i.e. Holy Spirit) to describe the divine. That does not necessarily mean I take everything in the Bible as a source of God's truth. One of the things God has been showing me through my daily meditation is how to understand when a mystical experience is showing you the truth, and when it is tainted by the ego. There are people who, having talked to God once, may assume any voice talking in their head from then on is God, and what results is that they think God agrees with whatever shit they already believed in.Moses may have learned a few truths and then schizo babbled the rest of the Torah.
>>534049297What is some god or goddess that would like to watch me fap? Any with human fetish?
>>534058273>posthumanistI meant trashumanist. You get the idea. The group of people constantly drooling about the singularity and getting all worked up about *SCIENCE!*I love astronomy, astrophysics, quantum physics, etc. I enjoy learning about it on a slightly-deeper-than-popsci level. I like to contemplate reality and I will take what theoretical physicists say onboard and factor it into my worldview from time to time.But I just loathe the discussion of ancestor simulations and using mathematical trickery to make conclusive statements about totally wild theories.>Statistically we HAVE TO be inside a simulation because the odds of us living in base reality are near zero>Statistically there's a boltzman brain floating out there in the universe, and mathematically, your odds of being one is higher than the odds of you being a real person>Therefore you are certainly a quantum accident believing you are real floating in infinite spaceBlah blah. It's academic quackery. Statistical masturbation that gets wannabe 'intellectuals' all stirred up about how "the math basically PROVES it!"It's made my youtube suggestions into a cesspool of reddit-tier "Wow so crazy" science videos.
>>534058273> There are two options that explain this. 1) It was intentional. 2) There are near infinite universes.Man its scary sometimes when some anon on a Mongolian basket weaving forum comes to the same conclusion(s) you’ve had. Either there are infinite non-viable universes where physics itself never worked out right and nothing could ever be formed or it’s by intentional design. God is Occam’s razor.
>>534059397Essentially this anons position is God of the gaps.
>>534049297>Only Christianity and Islam threaten eternal punishments for non-believersno they don't
>>534058384>god's mercylet me guess, that'll come along in two more weeks?
>>534049297Sheldon Cooper is a fictional character written by progressive retards who understand neither science not religion
>>534052356You mean satan
>memeflag>grokslop about a gay tv showClean it up jannies, you worthless faggots
