What can we learn from the ottoman empire and how can we make sure they never rise again?
>>534054288You can learn that wh*Teys can't beat Turks without uniting
>>534054288If you haven't noticed, there's muslims in your fucking backyard
>>534054288first i'll list some problems- the turks adopted islam because it's similar to the turkic pagan religion, with star navigation, etc- the greeks invited the turks as mercenaries (more or less) and allowed them to hold land / form a state- bulgaria was broken up into small states that didn't want to work together- the albos, who were "oppressed" by catholics and orthodox saw islam as liberation - westerners delayed destroying the turks, instead doing business with them
>>534054814and now some solutions>the turks adopted islam because it's similar to the turkic pagan religion, with star navigation, etcmohamed was racist against turks, pic related and general anti-islam polemics
>>534054288>What can we learn from the ottoman empireNothing really. It was as backwards of a country as it could be. Even the mongols possessed more ingenuity
>>534054814>the greeks invited the turks as mercenaries (more or less) and allowed them to hold land / form a statethis mirrors the libs of today inviting rapefugeesapparently pointing out that muslims are anti-fag's not doing much, and to be fair, so is christiantiyso libs should just be made fun of and more "far right" people have to be voted in to
>>534054589The whites didn't beat Turks by uniting. They beat them by industrialisation and modernisation.
Reminder that Constantinople only fell in 1453 because the Gayreeks renounced the agreement at the Council of Florence, so there was no European coordinated effort to offer assistance.
>>534054814>bulgaria was broken up into small states that didn't want to work together>the albos, who were "oppressed" by catholics and orthodox saw islam as liberation no more brother wars, etc
>>534054814>westerners delayed destroying the turks, instead doing business with themWhat are you talking about? The ottomans controlled and tax all the trade routes from east to west and vice versa.
>>534054814>>534054981wasn't those the Seljuks
>>534054814>westerners delayed destroying the turks, instead doing business with theminstead, the westerns discovered the new world, so it wasn't all badand on the other hand, russia did attack to weaken them, allowing for westerners to break them upwhile that does mean to cooperate more with russia, it also means to cooperate more with "your enemy", so if you consider that to be ukraine, then work with them against the muslims
>>534054997it was both
>>534054288>What can we learn from the ottoman empireForeign brown conquerors will ALWAYS rug pull you. Be advised not to believe their lies, or your grandchildren will pay the price.It doesn't seem as though generations post WWI learned anything from the Ottomans either.
>>534054963This isn't true. They had sophisticated systems that was better than Europeans and that's one of the reasons they last so long.
>>534055193The ottoman empire was already decline by the time European powers took over.
>>534055453Incorrect. The West began overtaking them in the 1500s in the broadest possible sense even as they were at the height of individual military power.
Despite all the backwardness and failure to industrialize, that thing lasted quite well into 20th century
>>534056245OE got its first serious defeat against Europeans in 1699https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Karlowitz
>>534056245>The West began overtaking them in the 1500sLike what?
>>534056248How was it backwards?
>>534056372they lacked the industry. They couldn't make steam engines, couldn't build ships, couldn't produce modern rifles & artillery etc
