If you want to survive WWIII (No, Ilhan, that's not "one hundred and eleven"), you really need to have a garden to produce at least SOME calories for yourself. If you go with perennials, you don't need to replant them every year, drastically reducing the overall workload.
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>>534062598>you really need to have a garden to produce at least SOME calories for yourselfOr a gun to take yours
>>534064589Counterpoint: I'll shoot your dick off.
>>534064503Would either of these survive in Canada? Lol you could maybe do apples and currants and not much else
>>534064773I'm growing kiwiberries right now. Don't have any goumi, but they would be just fine where I live.
You would be surprised how much fruit is grown in Southern Canada.
>>534062598And build a decent storage shelter.Put a pallet of rice, dry pasta, flour, beans each, or whatever else you want, in there.Will feed a family for literal years. Add a dozen crates of cans and conserves if you want.Vitamin supplements are decent too. A years supply costs $30 per person.Now obviously it doesn't cover everything, but it will make sure you can survive just fine on the most basic diet.With proper storage all of this will last at least three years and likely longer, meaning it won't go bad if you actually eat it steadily, and it's helpful in barter too.
So, so many different options.
>>534062598Perennials are 99% retarded meme BS. Berries are nice because they taste good, not because they are perennial. Almost all the work is in the harvesting anyways.
>>534065601>Annuals>Plant every year, harvest every year>Perennials>Plant one year, harvest every yearIt's barely over half the work of annuals.
>>534062598How do you replace lawn so grass wont grow instead, though?
>>534065722Cover it in mulch or replace it with something that doesn't suck like clovers. Then you don't have to mow it and the clovers both increase nitrogen content of the soil and help pollinators.
>>534065601>Almost all the work is in the harvesting anyways.>he doesn't just stuff the berries into his mouth as he picks themPathetic. The good ones at least, because they won't keep anyway. Better be prepared to cook some jam or grow berries that you can sun dry. Freezing or freeze drying isn't a real option in WW3, and cooking them into preserves also has its limits.
>>534062598Victory gardens worked on the foundation of a high trust society. Everyone sorted themselves out so they wouldn't be a burden on others. You really expect this low trust society of barely sentient mongoloids to sort things out and provide for themselves? No, they won't. They'll pick your shit clean before it's ready to harvest.
>>534064773Thats hardy kiwi and is actually incredibly invasive in Canada and similar places, they can actually become a problem, they grow so well.
>>534065717Which part of "Almost all the work is in the harvesting anyways" is confusing you? The work involved in planting and harvesting potatoes is 50 times less than the work involved in harvesting raspberries. Only a complete retard who has never grown anything could fall for the "perennials are less work" meme.>>534065832>autistic german thinks picking berries isn't picking berries if you pick berriesUh..
>>534062598>survivetoo many peoplebillions must die
>>534065722Usually people have the opposite issue.>want to have lawn>lolnope it's random weeds growing everywhere The grass that's invasive is the bad kind of grass anyway, the one pretending to be grain. Just tear that shit out before it's ripe.
>>534065979It's precisely the same amount of work as eating them though - if you eat them (like I do).
>>534065979There are perennials that can be quite productive, like fruit trees, but this implies taking care of the tree twice a year, which is about the same amount of work as harvesting, but still pretty economical, say 3x1h per year and you get 20kg of apples.>almost 7kg per hour of workIt's decent enough if you normally pay 2-3 moneys per kg.
>>534066104Idk I think i got fescue mostly? Its your regular boomer murrica lawn grass but its too healthy
>>534065786How do you replace it? Id love to do the whole acre but even just a little plot i cant keep them out, ive done mulch before and it punches through every time and it ends up costing way too much
>>534066768Tear up the grass and plant clover seeds.
>>534066176That's the point you fucking retard.>>534066510Yeah, its not saving any work vs annuals. You don't choose what to grow based on annual vs perennial, you chose based on what you want/need to eat.
>>534065601>Perennials are 99% retarded meme BS.>Apples, citrus fruits, mangoes, bananas are retarded meme BSCunt do you know what a perennial actually is?Sweet potatoes are a perennial and not only can you eat the tubers, but you can eat the leaves as well. Tastes nice lightly sauteed to have with your eggs and bacon on a roll actually.
>>534062598>garden>in a world with global climate changesYou need a donkey, good shoes and a gun.
>>534066087Most of those billions won't plant a garden to save themselves.The world belongs to the Green-Thumbs.
>>534067095Well armed green-thumbs.
>>534067048>99% of chinese are short>yao ming is shortCunt do you know what a chinese actually is?
>>534062598here we go with the circle the wagons spam again. yeah don't fig back goy, eat your slave berries goy then it will all work out for you
eyyy its that retarded canuck with the same thread from yesterday.it got btfoed by the american, who rather correctly stated that all the different biotopic substrates are fully poisoned, making your DIY garden borderline impossible.i wonder why it is shilling again. yesterday the thread got locked after like 35 posts, lets see if he can make more than yesterday.>>533998878herbals from me tho :/
>>534067698If everything is poisoned, then commercial farmers wouldn't be producing anything, either.The guy you're praising literally said that you get more nourishment from sunlight than food.
>>534064503Thanks didn't know that one. Have a 7 yo kiwi berry that is incredible in taste and quantity. Gojiberry sucked, dug it up and transplanted it to somewhere in the hedgerowNeed more apples plums and a quince. Hope the pears are doing better then the last 3 years. Get some Josta berries for jelly. I have 3 bushes my grandfather planted 40 years ago. Around 10# per bush& yearMy whole driveway is lined with currants red white & black
>>534067926I have jostaberries already. It was the first plant to wake up this spring.
>>534062598Nothing replaces birds(chickens) and a pig-s. Salted pork stays good for over a year and it tastes better. Sheep and goats are also very good.If you had the place to raise them.
>>534068236You also need something to feed them, so you'll end up growing plants anyway.
>>534062598rabbits and chickens are way better than stupid plants, what are you going to eat in winter if you only have a bunch of faggot millennial perennials?
>>534068236Everybody should have some chickens. But the goats and sheep are fuckers. Was talking to a colleague today, that offered me a free lamb. "And wake up 3x a night to feed it? Fuck no. What happened to the mum?" "I'll make sausage out of the dumb cunt in winter. Second lamb where she pulls that number on me"
>>534068498If you raise animals, you still need to grow their food. Rabbits need a huge amount if Timothy hay.
>>534065075My stupid haskaps woke up early and then got raped by frost. Lost all my flowers and even killed one of the ten bushes
>>534068565No they don't. You are a retarded nigger. Stop posting.
>>534068565i just go cut my buckets of weeds, they like weeds better than grass. i even made little rabbit tractors to put them in
>>534068632Literally 80-90% of a rabbits diet is Timothy hay.
>>534068713>Literally 80-90% of a rabbits diet is Timothy hayonly if youre a trendy faggot who has to do exactly what le heckin youtube says. i still have buckets.of black eyed peas left from last year
>534067771>If everything is poisoned, then commercial farmers wouldn't be producing anythingexactly.they arent producing anything noteworthy nutritious nowadays. they are infact, producing poisoning garbage, for garbage "people" like youit is your mistake, that you are content with the so called produce and dont rebel or rise up, changing the overall situation for the better.what you try to shill as a solution is infact rather detrimental for the human project overall, a silly cope and damage control. you should really reevaluate and contemplate what you are spouting /here/ and rephrase.
>>534068846you better go live in the 15 minute walkable niggercattle feedlot
>>534068566Feel you. On the plus side give them some fertilizer to max growth this year. Hope my Indian corn is not fucked by frost the next 3 weeks>>534068661>>534068713Dude I have raised meat rabbits on whatever grows by the side of the field without issues. Mainly dandelions and grass.
>>534068713I have raised thousands of rabbits. Literally 0% of their diet has ever been timothy. You are a retarded faggot. Stop posting.
>>534062598I'll just take yours
>>534069107You'll get shot in the dick. I don't care if you wear lvl 4 plates. You'll fucking die.
>>534062598I plan to become a cannibal.
Trying to propagate some mulberries wish me luck.
>>534067596Nigger, we're talking about growing edible plants, not growing every fucking perennial you dickhead.>Hey salt is important in your diet, so is iron>>OH SO YOU'RE SAYING I SHOULD EAT GRANITE AND PLUTONIUM YOU FUCKING MINERAL-EATING IDIOT!?Nigger shut the fuck up. In the post collapse world you're gonna be fertilizer and I'll eat a PERENNIAL I grow from your corpse.Maybe raspberries.Or a macadamia.
>>534069292Dude, I fucking *love* macadamia. I'm sad I can't grow them here. Way too cold.
>>534069107That's why I'm gonna grow some poisonous plants for the retards.Enjoy the machineels.
>>534069273What rooting compound are you using?I hear mulberry is very easy to do from cuttings.
>>534069501>Anon eats a whole quart of moonseed grapesOH NO NO NO NO
>>534069273Good luck. One citron and 2 figs shit the bed this winter. And I failed grafting a greengage onto an apple tree which was a bummer
>>534069389My neighbor had a macadamia that they just let the nuts go to waste on. Completely retarded.My dad and I would take any that grew on our side of the fence (our side being as far as our arms could reach) but then one day they just cut it down.Fucking retards honestly, given a cornucopia and they throw it in the garbage.
>>534066768>>534066806Look up "sheet mulching"go around to stores and collect free cardboard. cardboard will kill the grass then compost in place
>>534069617I want to cry reading this. What the fuck.
>>534069582>citronUhhh... just to clarify, do you mean lemon or actual citron? In French they use the same word, but in English they are different.
>>534062598Way ahead of you, OP. I have 4 chickens running around farting out eggs and a slew of rabbits that I use to be self-sufficient in meat.Did you know rabbits are little climate heroes? They practically don't produce any methane, they eat pretty much anything that grows in your garden (though they should also get real food), they breed rapidly and in litters which mature in just 2 months and can provide up to 2 kilos of meat per bun. I have an entire deep freezer full of em.
>>534069507Gardensafe takeroot indole-3-butyric acid, looked like the same active as the hardwood specific. If I mess up I can get more cuttings, about 15 10-15 ft tall trees, white and red variants.>>534069582I would like to try to pot a fig or olive. Sorry for your loss though.
>>534070013Applying honey to the cut end helps a lot. Probably won't be necessary, but just something to keep in mind.Also, you should raise bees and make a bee hotel for the solitary bees even if you don't choose to raise honey bees.
>>534069783Sorry I germanified English unsuccessfully. It was a lemon. I always think of limes when reading that word and the German word for lemon is Zitrone so citron felt better
>>534070002They taste so good, too. Love me some rabbit stew.
>>534070126Fun fact: lines are only green if picked unripe. Otherwise, they turn yellow and become less sour.
>>534069273Mulberries are one of the easiest. gl>>534069582>grafting a greengage onto an appleI mean no shit, prunus and malus are totally incompatible>>534070013I have over 30 figs in pots, they do really well in pots provided you give them enough fertilizer and sun
>>534070002rabbit shit is awesome fertilizer too. my fruit trees exploded when i started giving them rabbit poop
>>534070172Limes*Stupid autocorrect
>>534064589Ok lobster bait
>>534070190Are you using the self fertile figs?
>>534070236Going out on the water is probably not going to be very safe during WWIII...
>>534070252Yeah, I don't live where the wasp is
>>534070190I mistook the apple for a wild pear. Was not intentional but the autopilots fault. I did try some shenanigans with grafting onto hawthorn that worked better than expected
Wonder what I could grow for fat in the UK, beside animals. Maybe hazelnuts or seeds
>>534070296I'm right on the edge of their range, so I'm weary of planting them here unless I have a greenhouse.
>>534064589Those that go looking for trouble will find it. Those prepared for it to find them will end up much better off day to day.
>>534070377Definitely go with nuts.Sea buckthorn does contain some and is really rich in vitamin C, though. Not a bad thing to plant if you have the space for it.
>>534070377>>534070521Corn and brussel sprouts. Other than oilseed and nuts/acorns your fat sources are historically from animals/fish
>>534070358Prunus and pyrus would still be incompatible. Some prunus can be grafted onto other prunus, some are incompatible. Pear can be grafted onto quince and hawthorn however. Apparently even onto amelanchier (serviceberry) as well>>534070383If you have an attached garage you can overwinter them easily. The greenhouse certainly does help getting a jump start on the season though>>534070377Hazelnuts are great, I just planted 4 bushes this year
>>534068498You need a garden of some sort to give the chickens and geese exercise and free food. As a bonus they'll eat the nasty bugs and slugs n shiet.
>>534070704>brussel sproutsI fucking love these. I like tossing them into a pyrex (one layer), covering with bacon and then slow roasting until crispy.
>>534070832Amelanchier are delicious, but that's my least favorite name for them. In French, chier = to poopI usually just call them saskatoons.
>>534070877gardening is my main thing.
>>534070986I gave the latin name because there are 6 gorillion names for them. To me saskatoons are only the western serviceberry (a. alnifolia) because there are several other species of them native to my area. I have 3 alnifolia planted, Smoky, Thiessen and Northline which should give me their first crop this year>>534070377Forgor to mention, hazelnuts have one of the highest calorie/acre ratios, at least for American hazelnut
>>534070418punji sticks are great simple little traps with deadly consequences, ive heard dying of septic shock is miserable.
>>534071435Fair enough. It's also worth noting that hazelnut matures much faster than most nuts, so you get crops sooner.
>>534071586i just let the deer eat the acorns and hickory nuts and then i eat the deer. this one was young and very tender. take note of the size of the exit wound. black powder, .50cal
>>534071777Valid strategy.
>>534071430you ever consider no dig method?
>>534072412yes, i do a hybrid. my soil is straight clay mixed with rocks. once i get all the rocks out and admend the clay a little i will convert to the no till probably. picrel is a new bed i made this year, you see the rock berm? all those rocks were in that patch of soil. i always mix tons of leaves with the soil and plant potatoes in it with my new beds.
>>534068498I have extra land around my food crops and have just taken the pygmy goat pill. early days yet, but these things evolved / were bred in parts of the world that required self sufficiency for centuries..
>>534072627I see, well you're getting a good yield from those conditions. Seaweed would make a good job of that soil... easy for me to say here I suppose. I've just started the no dig method this year, so far so good. Except for spuds for which I'm doing the Conemara this year. Both of these methods save a massive amount of labor. I suppose the bright side of that kind of soil is lack of pests. I am plauged with slugs and birds and everything gets scaffolding netting.
>>534062598Smart but ill be north and mobile, my goto is pine bark bread.Maybe do some planting around tue marshes and come back later to cache build
Potted figs, apple and pear trees in espalier, and serviceberry is what I’m growing on a small plot in nj
>>534073137>lack of pestslmao, i have every type of bug on earth and raccoons, possums, deer, armadillos, turkeys and lots of other things.
>>534073973how the hell are your drills not netted ?
>>534062598What fruits can be greenhoused that will yield year around in cold climates?
>>534074648i dont understand what you mean
>>534065786Clover attracts rabbits, their favorite. If you plant enough they'll fill up on clover instead of ruining crops.
>>534076047rabbits only eat timothy grass
>>534076265Why lie? Yandex it. Hebrew seizing opportunity to sow division? Tiresome.
>>534062598>MangosteensNo thanks
>>534076730Those are kiwiberries
>>534076627i learned that fact from OP. >>534068713read the thread before posting
>>534077051I didn't say "only". I said "mostly".If they are getting good success with other diets, then whatever.
>>534072627same, 3 rules for this soil from me1) don't step on it (make raised beds asap)2) amend, but don't till when ground it's wet, or it compacts3) mulch
>>534065034I just started a dozen buckthorn seeds. I hope in 28 I get a harvest. I'm probably only going to keep a couple of males and female plants each. I'll give the rest away.
>>534078031Nice!
>>534062598what if you live near a river and have shitty clay soil that is always waterlogged or rock hard when dry?
>>534078166That's going to depend on your hardiness zone.
>>534078101Looking to get a cold hardy late blooming apricot tree. Probably a Harglow, but I can't find anybody that has any in stock.
>>534078166grow potatoes >>534072627
>>534078413this place has cold hardy apricots in stock but not the harglowhttps://www.tytyga.com/Apricot-Trees-s/1832.htmi bought all my fruit trees from that place and they are soing great, highly recommend
>>534078633Where I live supposedly that's the only one that does well. The north east tip of New Mexico has a false spring almost every year that kills the bloom for everything except Harglow because of their late blooming.
>>534072627>>534078420i actually did grow some potatoes in pots and they did well i guess but their leaves were all destroyed by some bugs that ate them. looked like the leaves were it with birdshot then pretty soon the leaves were just skeletons. it was these little black bugs i tried spraying them with soap but there were too many. i dont want to use pesticides so i gave up
>>534079059Plant some mint, nasturtiums or alliums (onions, leek, shallots, garlic, chives) near them.
>>534070191I would, but my neighbor is running a bootleg pitbul mill. Lest years batch got out and ate my entire dripper system that was above the ground. I can't imagine bunnies faring any better. Those fucking (I don't consider them dogs) things chew through steel when they lock on to anything.
>>534079059my chickens eat the bugs on the potatoes but you could use sals suds and neem oil. 2tbsp of each per gallon of water.
>>534062598WW3 is not happening...
>>534066087There aren't too many people there are too many brown things that look vaguely like people
>>534070252Fuck I need to plant some figs. I should have done it years ago. I got burned by the county when I moved here when they mowed down my two year old apple tree. Nobody told me that my side of the access road behind my fence line is somehow my job to mow (I literally don't own it. It's city property.) and they mowed my whole yard roughshod and ran everything over. Then they charged me $300. Absolutely nothing I could do about it. My yard was already mowed when they came, but somehow their property was my fault.
>>534079557i had a neighbor like that once, i shot his dog and he called the cops on me for animal cruelty but was instead issued a nuisance animal ticket. lmaoyou gotta protect your shit bro, i never had a problem with his remaining dogs after that
>>534079816I have a bag of xylitol, but I don't want to harm the local cats.
Tow maters
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>>534079816This. Shot maybe 7 or 8 pitbulls over the years that ranged onto my farm. Half the time they didn't even have collars, so I'd just drag them to the country road and eventually the govt would pick them up during roadkill collection.
I do not understand why people raise pitbulls. Worst dogs ever.It's like someone decided to breed out all the characteristics that make dogs worth having around.
>>534079177>>534079594these were the fuckers that got mine>FLEA BEETLESFlea beetles are small (1/25 - 1/16 inch long), usually dark colored (black with no stripes, black with two yellow bands on wing covers, or metallic) chewing insects. They have enlarged hind legs and when disturbed, jump in long, rapid “flea-like” leaps (hence their name).Adult flea beetles overwinter in or near fields under plant debris. They become active in early spring, feed on weed seedlings, and disperse readily when temperatures reach 68°F.Adult beetles chew small holes in the potato leaves, which creates a shot-hole appearance. Unless beetle populations are very high (2 beetles/sweep with net), damage usually is not economic. If enough defoliation does occur, however, there are numerous insecticides available that will control the population. Most insecticides applied to control CPB or potato leafhopper will also control flea beetles.
>>534064589You'll be dead in the first month with that kind of attitude.
>>534081042That's generous. Probably half that.
>>534080649He doesn't keep any of them except the breeding pair, so I'm pretty sure why he does it. He has a little shitzu that he keeps in the house. The pits are in a kennel outside and never seems to interact with them. His last litter got out a couple of moths ago and I was so tempted to fix them a snack and chuck the bodies in the county dumpster. I hate killing animals though. Somehow even them. He just had a new batch of them a couple weeks ago. I'm really torn on the idea of soaking a bag of rawhide chews in "sweetener" (you know what) an chucking them over the fence. I just can't bring myself to do it yet.
I wanted to know perennials that can survive in Brazil
>>534062598I have a shitload of wild raspberry and wild blueberry plants on my property, I also have a couple of cherry and nectarine trees, it's zero maintenance, and everything is delicious.
>>534081939I'm not advocating for killing them, I just don't understand why people breed them
>>534082000You have LOTS of options!Açai, jaboticaba, ice cream bean, banana, guava, passion fruit, Brazil nuts... All sorts of stuff I wish I could grow here.
>>534082151Have you tried thimbleberry? It's like a really strong raspberry.
>>534069292>Nigger, we're talking about growing edible plantsThat's the point you GRIDS riddled faggot. "OMG STOP GROWING FOOD AND GROW PERNIALS U DUN NEED 2 PLANT DEMS!!1111" is retarded meme nonsense. Learn to fucking read or just stay on preddit.
>>534082000grow papaya, they are easy and you can just plant a seed from one from the.market. they produce fruit the first year.
100 medium tomatoes will give you about 2000 calories1kg of body fat stores 7000 think I know what I'll do, and as a bonus I won't be tending tomatoes in a collapse, I'll be gaming off my solar while you starve
