All of them. Scum.
>>534066549>all ready have a hammer thread bot
They pit generations against oneanother so they can keep exploiting all of us.OF is jew owned and so are most porn sites.
>>534066549it stands to reason anyway, because zoomers have no money.
>>534066699that was my first thought when the study is from four years ago
>>534066549>self destruct
Justin Mohn and Gypsy Rose did nothing wrong
>>534066549>are the problemwhat problem?
>>534066549>it's the whores' fault, blame them! >actually it's the guys simping for the whores, blame them! >actually it's the jews manipulating guys to simp, blame them! So who shouldn't I blame exactly? The only solutions seem to be either innawoodsmaxxing or going out in a blaze of glory.
>>534066549>millennialsYes. I remember when I was 18 and the economy crashed and millions of people were being kicked out of homes, all i could think was, "golly gee how lucky is me"Lol zoomer fucking trash
>>534066549Wtf is this dumb logic? that means Gen Z is even worse. It’s Gen Z who uploads stuff on Onlyfans. >Muh Gen Z men aren’t doing thatNo fuck, Gen Z men aren’t doing that even worse than Gen Z thots. Gen Z faggots spam their memecoin shit all the time. As we speak, the faggot Gen Z r spamming RedvsBlue button meme coin shill threads non stop. Bring back corporal punishment in schools or what? what needs to be done about this? Gen A are even worse. Skibidi Toilet is already 3 years ago and some kids who grew up watching that will be turning 18 years old soon.
>>534066549Duh the people that are spending the most are those who have something to spend. Zoom zooms don't have shit. Young niggas don't spend shit on only fans they probably get the free gibs they can get on Google.
>>534066549You guys all wonder why you’re fucking losers when pisuing screencaps from twitter and whining about them is how you spend your entire day kek
>>534066962Yeah hard to feel bad for zoomzooms when they've been talking shit about how millennials were just losers while zoomies were in middle school for 10 years and now that they're getting fucked by a bad economy are screaming they need a bailout.WELCOME TO THE JUNGLE, BITCHES.
>>534066549Don't worry, we will die soon. Enjoy the world without us.
>>534067042>>534066962>>534066959>>534066892>>534066888>>534066848>>534066821 >>534066699 >>534066692Fgts there is already a thread on this.
>>534066549>40+ is 20%>zoomers are "only" 25%lol
>>534066962>>534067042>>534067203the obvious solution is for millennial men to fuck zoomies into submission to prevent them from being on OF
>>534066959Misanthropy is the only rational conclusion of a sapient mind.
>>534067413Okay bitch link it then
>>534066549i've never been to onlyfans a single timedon't even know what the site looks likei would rather give money to the feed holocaust commercial people t. millennial
>>534067744the funny thing is that onlyfans is a 'boomer' thing anyway, zoomers go to fansly for sluts now.
>>534067704K bitch, catalog too much?>>534032338
>>534066549Imagine still thinking real people pay for OnlyFans lmfao
>>534067868Thanks Goy o7I'm in there too
>>534067911
>>534066962I think millennials may the most retarded and entitled generation. Possibly even moreso than boomers. The older you guys get the more you echo their rhetoric and blindness. Even genx isn't as bad. You do know that "crashes" result in price drops, right? You're bitching that you became an adult, who didn't have a mortgage yet, right when the housing bubble burst. Yes, for a year or two it was harder to get a job, but you were able to secure a mortgage when prices and rates were relatively low compared to both the previous decade and the next.Are all millennials as retarded as you? Cause now us zoomers are dealing with a job crisis while simultaneously housing prices aren't dropping, the government openly said it won't do anything to help lower prices, and to top it off everything else is also continuing to inflate. My local fast food spots are starting at $16/hr. 8 years ago they were starting at $15/hr. If the price of labor just matched inflation over that 8 year period, they'd be making $20/hr now. So the value of their labor is being deflated before their very eyes at rates only seen during the great depression, possibly not even ever before in this country.
>>534066549>If you compare 18 to 27 year olds to 28 to 80 year olds, then 25% isn't a lotRetarded. It just proves that Gen Z is the gooniest of them all.
>>534068055millennials and down have had it pretty easyeasy tech jobscircus investing that has never been easiera lot of things are much worse but still easy enough>>534067905companies should start adding onlyfans subs as an additional benefit to attract prospects
>>534066549I doubt boomers know how to use it. They’ll just pay escortsHow do they even know they are married or know of their age Do they list it on their profile because most lie
ZOOMERS WON'T DOSHIT
I'm not surprisedMillenoids have been raised on turbosimp disneyhollywood media that tells them female validation is the most important thing for a male. The type of movies that tells you you should sing to a woman before she gets on an airplane and leaves you lol.
GenX are the most despicable rat generation ever to exist, all the soros funded shit is staffed by them.
>>534068335Troll post
>>534068509>you should sing to a woman before she gets on an airplane and leaves youare we not supposed to do that?
>>534066549Ok then ban onlyfans. Ban instagram, tiktok, brandarmy, manyvids.Oh wait you won't because it's almost like paypigs are the scapegoats for the tech oligarchy and zip ist desperate harvesting everyone's personal information through these social media fronts.
>>534066692why do jews like BBC so much?
>>534068571i'm actually not even jokingconsider cryptoretarded index fundsall the tech companiesyou think investing was this easy for boomers?...coding is easyi learned as a childit still pays me well today i don't even have to work hardbelow millennials were done a huge disservice on how they were raised. they do not realize how easy it is and how shit everyone in this country is
>>534066549You mean the (((study))) with n=250 and 200 were in university?KekTime to die jew.
>>534066549Nope. Figure your shit out just like we did in 2008. You'll figure it out but part of figuring it out is failing. Problem with zoomies is that they never truly failed. They're allowed to graduate high school without knowing how to read. Hell, even their video games are pay to play. You can't even fucking beat roblox or Mike craft.Zoomies need to hit a wall - hard - to realize that it's not the end of the road and that you can keep going.
>>534068055>>534068335Lol. We're the ones that showed you faggots the economy was broken. We went out into that world before everyone knew how fucked it was. You have NO IDEA what youre talking about zoom zoom.
>>534068055I don't think you understand the impact w recession has in earning capabilities and career prospects. A year or two of tough job market can throw you have the path for ten years. It wasn't just "aw shucks I worked at McDonald's but now I get a comfy office job paying $100k".
Reminder. Onlyfags is a jew psyop to shame white men and debase white women.>Study in question says 82.5% of women use only fans vs 77.8% of men>sample size is 500 university students and 400 online responses
>>534068335Easy tech jobs? Anon... You had to teach yourself 90% of the skills and up until about 2018 you were learning from fucking dense books and asking angry nerds for help online.And investing? Do you think all millennials made it big with gme lmao? I swear, zoomies have such un realistic fantastical thinking, it's genuinely concerning.
>>534068688They know how easy investing is. The thing is 1, investing (in its modern form) is inherently parasitic, and 2, you need money to begin investing. Zoomers are taking out loans for fucking food dude. They don't have money to invest in jack shit.
That fat fuck has become a psyop too. Read the study itself, they didn't even collect or ask about age or birth data.Earth is flatTKD
>>534069075Holy fucking shit, you millennials actually are as self-centered and retarded as boomers.If you think the 08 housing crisis was worse economically than what we are going through right now, where 1/3 of our GDP is AI companies that are deleting jobs from the job market, you are completely out of your damned mind. They've only had to re-define what a "recession" is what, 2 times since the 08 crisis? Do you even grasp what's going on around you?
>>534069453I'm not going to say it's worse or better. But I'm absolutely going to call you out for making shit up like millennials had it easy.
>>534066692its always millenials saying shit like this btw
>>534066549Millenials are still young enough to change their ways
>344 total of users in study>308 are married>217 are men>127 are women40% of OF users are married women.Stop chasing pussyStop chasing jew shekels
Listen millennials, mock zoomers at your own risk. These kids can throw.
>>534069563And you're old enough to not need rescuing.
>>534069537kikel detected
>>534066549Your daily life>it's women, goy!>oy vey, these zoomers..>don't you hate boomers? They took it all, goyim..>goy look! Millenials!>this is the reason you're an incel, goy.>oy gevalt these blacks>democrats/republicans did it again, goyimlet!>The aliens are coming, goy!>The list! The list, goy where is it?? Ask for it again, cattle! Two more weeks of begging!
>>534069618Can you even read a map or understand how road signs work?Kek
>>534069698A bot wrote this.
>>534066549Noone under the age of 45 got shit from this pyramid scheme
>>534066549>cold approachQuickest path to jail.
>>534069563lol, lmao even
>>534069736Just pointing out you too faggots are arguing over whores and slave coinsEarth is flatKill all jews
>>534066549This is the third thread I've seen of this same thing today, why can't niggers stop tonguing my anus.
>>534069814Weird bot.
>>534069584>broc top>keeps looking around to make sure someone is filming>leaning forward with arms back trying to intimidate>can't even tip over a garbage canthat can't be real
>>534066549>>534066699Exactly, zoomers aren't responsible for onlyfans because zoomers have no money.That's also why they have no pussy because guess what, women don't actually give a fuck about loving the person. The reality that women won't fuck with them without money is also creating a feedback loop destroying their feminist indoctrination.
>>534069893I got laid plenty of times without a dime in my pocket. Is this a zoomettes thing?
>>534069864Do not pass 2008, do not collect 2000 goy buxYou had 40 years and you probably think the moon landing was real, 9/11 was hit by planes and you need 700 boosters for invisible goy dustKek>I'm going to show those zoomers I tell yah what dang old manI like how you can't Say I'm wrong
>>534070038K keep my posted.
Paying for pornography is retarded behavior
>>534070079>9 pbid
>>534070189Make it 10.
>>534066549>mans up and cold approaches>gets arrested for "harassment" AKA talking to a woman while not being chadWhat now, Caleb?
>>534066549It's porn addicts getting a new type of fix because they can interact with the chick. Newfags don't know about this but people used to to subscribe to porn sites and spend 100s a month. The porn star appeal wore off. From 2004 to like 2014 the ideal female pornstar was double Ds, solid hair color, white, and skinny. That became unappealing though.
>>534067905It is 90% money laundering.
>>534066549Gen Z is 30% white, it's a good thing that you're all virgins, he shouldn't draw attention to it and just let humanity ride off into the sunset.
>>534070398my zoometes for us millenial chads to fug
>>534070209Got it. 10 more years till pol meets up does something about the Jewish vampires and the slutworld they created>hey siri make an appointment for anal dilation in 10 years
>>534066549>fleecing stupid old men for millions of $$$ with pictures of your asshole>actually I'm the victim here, these people are evil and this needs to stop(?)LMAO
>>534066549>muh only fans though from some random unsourced (((study)))>doesn’t address that zoomers: do not date, do not have sex (like at all), don’t get married, don’t go out to socialize, do not know how to approach and communicate with women>b-but muh onlyfans tho!!!1!!Faggot proved him right. Embarrassing
>>534066549source on her retarded claims? we know OF simps are mostly thirsty brownoids lusting after white women
>>534066549Lol Gen Z is just a brain dead rerun of millienialsT 34
>>534066549The usual C&D thread. I love zoomers, they're rabid and reckless like men should be in this historical moment. We should all take example from them, but not go off the far end of despair like they do
>>534066549>obese, chinless 1/8 whines about being an incel loserWhy should I care about what this faggot says?
>>534071699Zoylennials were woke reddit tumblr fags we could never be like those inferiour boomerkikespawns
>>534068673jewish men are baby dicked faggots like jeets
>>534066549gen z pussy belongs to millennials. get over it bussy bois
>>534066692why do they look Irish?
that's fine but zoomies are cringe
>>534066549
It warms my black heart to see the goyim divide and conquer themselves while I don't lift so much as a finger
>>534066549look, i feel bad for you kid. I tried to warn people. But this is bigger then us all. Try to find a decent girl and make a family. That's the best you can do.
>>534066549Probably cause zoomers are all on the faggot sites instead
Alright so how the fuck do I cold approach? T retarded zoomie who didn't learn any of this cause he was being dumb and sticking to studying half his life. Send any and all help including books, vids and anything else
>>534066549Who the fuck pays for onlyfans. I refuse to believe they are actual human beings.Some time ago I read a post from some faggot on /gif/ and he talked about how some OF goths boyfriend told him to stop paying for her OF because it wasnt healthy.Absolute subhumans.
>>534072837imagine roiding for this
>>534073082>hey nice tits faggot got any feet pics
>>534073082Don't try and have sex. Literally just go out there and make friends with girls. The friend zone is a highschool thing that doesn't exist in adult life. You are NOT going to fuck all of your female friends but that's not the point of this anyway. If you are just around enough women for long enough (and I don't mean your mom and auntie) you will start to understand that "game"t. Old fag millennial Ps. Don't get emotional when a female friend of your gets laid or dumped. Instead, study them like a fucking animal on animal planet. I promise anon you will start to slowly understand women if you are just around them enough
>>534070583Cope, the same thing applies if you're a millennial, except they ALSO call you a "pedophile", not just a creep / a harasser.
>>534066549Ok Zoomer.
>>534073649This is how you get to be "safe backup / rebound guy" material. If they're actually physically attracted to you, they'll be eager for sex early on. They're just as sexual as men, if they aren't towards you then they just don't find you attractive.
>>534066549>the johns are the problem, not the whorestits and a timestamp roastie
>>534066549Isn't that fatso a gay homosexual faggot who has been on record as being attracted to a literal child?
>>534066549Seethe, incel.
>>534074138Stop dude, just stop. Zoomers are not having sex because of this andrew tate alpha male bs. Almost every girl I've ever dated was my friend first. You are literally describing a one night stand and sure I've had those but they rarely lead to anything real
>>534068055you were still in your faggot father's nutsack in 2008 so you don't remember how difficult it was to get a job. Can't take advantage of a "housing crash" when you have no income, faggot. I would have killed to make 15 an hour starting when I started working. Kill yourself.
>>534074400It has nothing to do with "alpha male", it's about looks. Women find the overwhelming majority of men unattractive, and almost 60% of them outright revolting. If you translated looks onto IQ, it would be like if they thought most men were brain damaged.If you're friends with a woman and she never tries to flirt with you, never asks you to hang out alone, isn't receptive to your own flirting, declines hanging out with you alone, then she just isn't attracted to you.
>>534074165>simps arent to blame
>>534066549>Gen XThere are like 10 of us.Are we really that powerful?Blame us all you want.It will not help you in the slightest.
>>534066549>Caleb HammerWho is this fat fucking kike? His entire shtick is just sitting white people down and humiliating them?Niggers are right, just steal everything from these fucking worthless sacks of shit.
>>534066549>Caleb HammerThis little rapist was literally telling women and men who came on his podcast to start OnlyFans accounts to save their finances lmao. You niggers will get grifted by ANYONE
>>534066699Zoomers don’t have money because they spend it on OF, Netflix, Disney+, Amazon, Uber, DoorDash, videogames & micro-transactions, brand new phones, drugs, vapes, Starbucks, and streamers. They’re the most financially illiterate generation and think they’re owed every single luxury. They have no idea about need vs want
Gen z are not retards. I've never seen such an enslaved group of people. There's a huge caste system today more than ever before and lower caste are completely buck broken
>>534074969He doesn’t just do white people, he does some niggers and spics too. It’s just that white people are seemingly the right combination of being self-aware enough to want to try and fix their fucked up financial situation and gullible/trusting enough to get ripped apart by some fat fucking Jew for people’s entertainment. Honestly that’s a huge flaw of whites is actually trusting a Jew to have access to their banking statements.
>>534068055>My local fast food spots are starting at $16/hr. 8 years ago they were starting at $15/hr.You know the federal minimum wage is still like $7.25 an hour, right? That’s what millennials made when we started working McJobs at fast food places and shartmart at your age. You’d still be making that much and be forced to work on holidays if it hadn’t been for millennials demanding higher wages and more humane treatment for these jobs on social media back in the 2010’s. It’s been proven that Gen Z is the first known generation in history with a measurable decline in IQ from their predecessors. Humanity peaked with millennials.
>>534075259Completely wrong. Zoomers have no money because they're NEETs.
>>534075454>decline in IQCoincidentally enough, most of Gen Z looks to be of racially ambiguous descent
>>534066549Gen z upset they can't afford prime pussy vids instead of the old free trash. Many such cases.
>>534074835Look, women are retarded, you'll get no push back from me on this. Women practice group think and so when polled or even if you just walk up to a girl on the street and ask them a question, you get a unified response, like how all these polls always look. But the moment a creature that participates in group think is removed from the group, ie. is in a car with you alone or at the movies or just the 2 of you going for a hike or whatever, when you are alone they are forced to think outside of the group and make personal decisions. Also, never discount how much a women's emotions literally filter what they see. You can be the hottest guy in town one moment and then a disgusting, squalorly peasant the next, all because of how they feel
>>534074835Anon you don’t have to be the hottest guy in the world to get a gf. You just have to be the hottest guy in the room. The problem is that zoomers don’t even try to date outside of apps like Tinder, Bumble, etc. which means the “room” suddenly becomes your entire county or state. We used to meet girls via group activities like birthday parties, karaoke, etc. Basically things that allow you to meet friends of friends and get to know people in a relaxed setting. I rarely ever see groups of zoomers out and about, and when I do, they’re always either all guys or all girls. It’s like they still have the kindergarten mentality that boys and girls shouldn’t play together lmao
>>534073940not in my experience, you must be brown and fat lol
>>534076458If women respond positively to you when you cold approach them then you're either chad or larping, so your opinion doesn't matter.
>>534074173He needs a calorie audit for sure. Surprised you're the only one in this thread who knows he is a gay compromised asset. You don't participate in the generational punch down unless you're captive to the system.
>>534066549We should start calling incels anti celibrate because they don't like women
>>534066549>25% of user base is gen Z20% of the adult population is gen Z, so you're saying they're overrepresented as subscribers.
>>534076435This, very much this. Also, don't worry if you made a friend with a girl but you are probably never going to fuck her, because guess what my zoomer anon friends, girls know other girls and if you know ever one women that is genuinely your friend, than her friends are going to rain down on you like a desert monsoon. You'll have female friends of friends coming out of your sleeves. Don't be creepy, don't be needy. The less you want to fuck them, the more they wanna fuck you
>>534076541Cold approaching has never worked unless you use the Boomhauer method. You have to meet women somewhere they have their guards down. I know “meet women at church” is a meme, but churches do tend to hold activities like Sunday school, receptions, lunches, book clubs, etc. It has to be stuff like that. Women want to be sure you’re not a sex pest or drug addict or whatever. Don’t try to meet women through some sort of app or speed dating thing, because women treat those like job interviews and automatically assume you’re desperate based on the fact that you’re even using an app.
Well yeah. Young people don't make enough money to be wasting it so frivolously, especially when the internet is absolutely flooded with free porn. It's probably largely the same sort people who have a dozen different movie, tv and music subscription services on top of monthly contributions to dead patreon accounts they never bother to cancel. Where even if it hads up to hubdreds of dollars a month they don't even look at it becuase 10 dollars here, 20 there individually seems so insignificant and even the total doesn't amount to all the much when as a couple you're pulling like 250k a year. Where the hassle of canceling at the time just more on inconvenience than the money lost when you're not thinking about it altogether.
>>534076051>>534076435>>534076852Modern women only like being friends with chad. If you aren't beautiful then they see your existence as an insult against women, they think only chad should exist in their world. There are videos of women walking around talking about the "chopped men epidemic" and how they "see so many gorgeous women but almost no decent looking guys", more or less saying that not being chad is a moral failure. They're extremely lookist and they think that it's misogyny for men to exist while not being chad. Anyways, the point is that there's no way to just spend time with women and "let your personality shine through", or "let the chemistry build", or let them integrate you into their social circle or whatever. If you aren't chad then they don't want you around them.
>>534066549> Millennials call themselves tech literate>Literally paying for porn instead of searching big tits on google 78439857983479^1000 resultsLol, lmao even
>>534077277Women are faceblind and will date literal Frankenstein looking motherfuckers as long as they’re tall and clean up well. Yes that’s the secret. If you’re not that tall, then find a shorter girl. Don’t use dating apps since they’re dehumanizing in the way they enable women to instantly disqualify you and block you before you ever meet them in person.
>>534077554Yep. For a women, a mans confidence takes the place of a pretty face. Men are brutish beasts and women like it that way, men are the ones obsessed with beauty
>>534066549>All adults are the problemBased centrist
>>534077554Women date tall revolting looking guys sometimes because height is a status symbol and they like to parade around their lanklets like trophies. Then they cheat with some 5'10" guy with a chad face on the side. Height is important, but face > height. Tall chad > average height chad >>>>>>> everything else.
anon i hate my fellow millennials as much as you doif you're going to start executing us, start with meall i want anymore is to be free
>>534077955If Spud from Warmode can have a kid there is zero reason you cannot. Yes, I understand that Spud has some money and fame from the podcast but not enough money to pull chicks without effort and women don't give a fuck about some conspiracy podcast, even if it is goated. That's all I have to say about that and sorry to Spud for using you as an example like that. You rule
>>534074138if you have friends that are female you can use them to get other females to have sex with not sure why you are too dumb to understand this
>>534078332Most supposed "romances" are completely absent of sexual desire on the part of the woman and she's just financially and emotionally exploiting the man. They only get turned on from exceptionally good looking men.>>534078521I explained the issue with that idea in a different comment. >>534077277
>>53407545416 dollars today is 7 dollars ten years ago, I'm not a zoomer but don't act like literally anything has improved about life for the last 40 years.
>>534078610You did not. You just said chad chad chad chad >>534077277
>>534078332>if [person with access to modest e-fame and easy money] can have a child, so can you!no, anon, whatever slag shat his kid out did it precisely because she thinks she can get a life of relative ease by sponging off of that retarddoes his baby mama have a job? investments? a place of her own? does she pay even a cent into bills at all, ever? of course not, anon. she's with him because he keeps her bills paid and has the ever so slight edge of modest e-fame that she can use to one-up the other slags she pretends are her friends so she has someone to shit on to cheer herself up when she's feeling down.
>>534078610It’s not that black-and-white with women due to how emotion-driven they are and how their monthly hormone cycle works. Women do actually like sappy shit like bouquets of flowers, and their brains will make them attracted to you sexually after they are emotionally.
>>534078610>>534077277im not a chad and ive had plenty of women friends including roommates who introduce me to their friends and roomates that i got to have sex with so youre deliberately lying and full of shit or a teen virgin
>>534078817I don't think they are a couple anon. I believe they raise the child together but are not a couple, so in other words, no living off baby daddy. But don't quote me on it. Plus, if you do all the math on their patreon money, I think they only make a little over two thousand dollars a week each. Which is basically a full time job in Philadelphia
>>534078817What’s your point anon? Yeah you can’t be a broke NEET povertyfag and still get a gf. The only time you’ll ever have the chance of getting a gf with absolutely zero upfront financial investment is when you’re in high school. After that, you’ll have to spend some of your pocket money buying flowers, taking her out for food and activities, etc. Big whoop. Women are objects and every object has a price tag. Just stop being poor lmao
>>534078835Their cycle basically causes them to want to be choked out by Jeremy Meeks on one end of it, and made love to by Francisco Lachowski on the other end of it. On one end, they want hypermasculine dangerous chad, and on the other, they want sweetheart prettyboy chad. They still only want chad.
>>534066549>Faggot fat like is a faggot fat kike.>OP is too
>>534069157>>Study in question says 82.5% of women use only fans vs 77.8% of menI thought it was funny once when I saw a study about women users of OnlyFans - basically none of them were there for porn, they were there to cyberstalk and make fun of women they knew in real life
>>534080432Please sauce that they raped Ai even as a search engine and it doesn't like this information
I hate niggers so much
>>534066549>Millennials, Gen X, and Boomers are the problem.>All of them. Scum.We hate you moar
More money is being poured in to onlyfans from people who have money.Young gen z people have less money so they pour less money in to OF then other gensIf they had the same amount of money they'd probably have similar results.Time to face the facts that there are men of all generations that are simp cucks for women as much as I hate it all. Its just back in the day men gave them money in other ways like pin up posters and what not.
>>534066549it's so funny how zoomers have united every other generation by being that fucking horrible to be around
>>534069453>where 1/3 of our GDP is AI companies that are deleting jobs from the job marketAI is just repackaged buzzword for "automation" and "cloud computing" and "nano technology." A lot of tech jobs like sysadmin and webdev were permanently killed due to cloud migrations from legacy "on-prem" servers. Now the same thing is happening to cybersecurity and SOC jobs...it's all morphing into DevSecOps now, but it started way back in the mid-2000s with "the cloud."
>>534082003I got fucking sick of hearing about "the cloud">how are you watching south park on your phone?>oh you know I'm just pulling it from the cloudnigger you put it on a putlocker
>>534066549Ok zoomie but may reel your whores in a bit. They would rather show their box to old men than even be seen with you all.
>>534082086As always, "the cloud" is just someone else's computer...
