Do you believe in God, but not think he is good?Most Christians seem to believe in god but also think he is morally perfect - to the point that he is unquestionable. I am agnostic so could imagine myself believing in some kind of divine being if the evidence seemed to suggest it, but I really don't think I'll ever be able to get past the whole animal/human suffering element?Like if an all powerful being did exist, they could have easily created a world without parasites, a world where the majority of animals aren't eaten alive, or could have designed human psychology so we aren't so prone to rage and murder.Equally if the Christian god did exist I feel like I would strongly disagree with him that sinning on earth is punishable by eternal torment in hell, especially for things as simple as not believing in him (how are we supposed to know! What about people born in Buddhist countries etc.)."If God is real then he will have to beg my forgiveness" is the most prominent example that comes to mind. It is supposedly carved into a wall on block 20 of the Mauthausen Concentration Camp
>>534101781He's an infinite being and so i accept thati will probably not understand some of the things He does in the world. Faith, which is just another word for trust, means that i believe that He is doing those things for some good purpose.
>>534101781I believe in God as the personification of good, yes.I also believe that circumcision is a form of rape and must be eradicated by any means. So I can't truly call myself a Christian, just Christ-aligned.
>>534101781if god exists, the deists are probably right.>Unlike classical theism, Deism is the belief in the existence of a creator God who simply does not intervene anymore after creating the universe,[8][13] solely based on rational thought and without any reliance on revealed religions or religious authorities.[14] Therefore, Deism emphasizes the concept of natural theology—that is, God's existence is revealed through nature itself.[15] Deistical thinking has existed since ancient times, and the roots of Deism are often traced back to the several ancient eastern and Greek philosophical ideals such as Stoicism, while also being influenced by other rational theologies.
>>534101781>Do you believe in God, but not think he is good?god is the source of all good>Most Christians seem to believe in god but also think he is morally perfect - to the point that he is unquestionableyes>I am agnostic so could imagine myself believing in some kind of divine being if the evidence seemed to suggest itpic related >why sufferingto test us>"Then the Lord said to Satan, “Have you considered My servant Job, that there is none like him on the earth, a blameless and upright man, one who fears God and shuns evil?” So Satan answered the Lord and said, “Does Job fear God for nothing? Have You not made a hedge around him, around his household, and around all that he has on every side? You have blessed the work of his hands, and his possessions have increased in the land. But now, stretch out Your hand and touch all that he has, and he will surely curse You to Your face!” And the Lord said to Satan, “Behold, all that he has is in your power; only do not lay a hand on his person.” So Satan went out from the presence of the Lord [to cause Job suffering]."- Job 1:8-12
>>534101781>a world without parasites, where animals aren't eaten>“The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, The leopard shall lie down with the young goat, The calf and the young lion and the fatling together; And a little child shall lead them. The cow and the bear shall graze; Their young ones shall lie down together; And the lion shall eat straw like the ox. The nursing child shall play by the cobra’s hole, And the weaned child shall put his hand in the viper’s den. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all My holy mountain, For the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord As the waters cover the sea.- Isaiah 11:6-9>design humans not to murderhe gave us free will, which includes the freedom to do evilbut when Cain murdered his brother, god cursed him, so it's not that he's unfair or uncaring >The Lord said, “What have you done? Listen! Your brother’s blood cries out to me from the ground. Now you are under a curse and driven from the ground, which opened its mouth to receive your brother’s blood from your hand. When you work the ground, it will no longer yield its crops for you. You will be a restless wanderer on the earth.”>Cain said to the Lord, “My punishment is more than I can bear. Today you are driving me from the land, and I will be hidden from your presence; I will be a restless wanderer on the earth, and whoever finds me will kill me.”>But the Lord said to him, “Not so; anyone who kills Cain will suffer vengeance seven times over.” Then the Lord put a mark on Cain so that no one who found him would kill him. So Cain went out from the Lord’s presence and lived in the land of Nod, east of Eden.- Genesis 4:10-16
>>534102126Circumcision is not Christian. It's not part of the new covenant
>>534101781>what about those who didn't believeif jesus appeared in front of you right now, you'd say you were hallucinating/gone crazy, that it was advanced alien technology to trick you, etc>"A wicked and adulterous generation seeks after a sign, and no sign shall be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah.” And He left them and departed."- Matthew 16:4so believing is not about seeing >"Jesus said to him, “Thomas, because you have seen Me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”"- John 20:29>"For we were saved in this hope, but hope that is seen is not hope; for why does one still hope for what he sees?"- Romans 8:24>they were born in buddhist countrieschristianity existed from the begining of the world. the ancestors of those "buddhists" rebelled against god, and passed on their perverted version of the truth to them as bad inheritancebut they can still be saved, if they live according to the will of god>"for when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do the things in the law, these, although not having the law, are a law to themselves, who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing or else excusing them)"- Romans 2:14-15 provided they do not deny jesus>"Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either; he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also."- 1 John 2:23>"Now John answered and said, “Master, we saw someone casting out demons in Your name, and we forbade him because he does not follow with us.” But Jesus said to him, “Do not forbid him, for he who is not against us is on our side.”"- Luke 9:49-50
God needs God to save me from God and things God made because Adam and Eve can tricked to have freewill or have freewill to gain freewill where conjoined twins are left forgotten while God I and Satan play war of the worlds aka heaven hell earth
>>534101781>Christians >seem to believe in godAnother thread with a meme flag not knowing the definition of words. Shocking.
>>534103038That’s ironic considering how much the Bible is up to interpretation
>>534101781>agnosticAgnosticism has nothing to do with your beliefs, FYI. Agnosticism just states that you don't know if there is a god, which applies to all sane Christians as well. If you don't actually believe in a god, then you're an atheist.
>>534102985If Adam and Eve have two kids and they're both boys.Who the fuck did they breed with?
>>534102813How you know Jesus had long hair?
>>534103143Their sisters.
>>534103203What sisters?
>>534101781>i disagree that sinning on earth should be punishable by eternal tormentyou do that all the time>"Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire."- Matthew 7:19or are you a hoarder who collects trash?since atheists/agnostics tend to like tech analogies, imagine that life is a video game, and we're all advanced AIs. some of the AIs will be deemed "good/successful" and "when the experiment ends" will be "ascended into physical bodies, in the real world" while the "bad/failure" AIs will be deleted.
>>534103173Jesus was a devout Jews, and the Torah says it's shameful for a man to have long hair, so Jesus likely had short hair like every other Jew in his posse.
>>534103289Bible also says it’s wrong to have long hair Is Jesus sinning?
>>534101781>Mauthausen Concentration Campthe holocaust never happened- https://rumble.com/c/ScriptureandTraditionFrJM/videosthe blasphemy you're talking about was almost certainly scribbled there by a commie red army soldier making anti-national socialist propaganda
>>534103243Adam and Eve likely had more children than the 3 (Seth was their 3rd son) that were mentioned in the Bible. Just like there are more than the few angels that are named.
>>534103143Incest is the answer you’re looking for
>>534102126>why was circumcision implementedseveral reasonsfor one, it was to remind them not to be degenerates (fags, race mixers, etc)>"If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell. And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell."- Matthew 5:29-30but mostly, it was a sacrifice. an acknowledgement of god's authority since he is the creator of the world, he can even order abraham to take away the life of his firstborn son, isaac>"All that open the womb are Mine, and every male firstborn among your livestock, whether ox or sheep. But the firstborn of a donkey you shall redeem with a lamb. And if you will not redeem him, then you shall break his neck. All the firstborn of your sons you shall redeem. And none shall appear before Me empty-handed."- Exodus 34:19-20let alone a circumcisionbut that was in accordance to the old lawwith animal sacrifices at the temple, etcgod established a new covenant, through the death and resurrection of jesus, the messiah a sacrifice of the firstborn son of god>"Abraham looked around and saw a ram caught in a bush by its horns. He went and got it and offered it as a burnt offering instead of his son."- Genesis 22:13>"The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. Scripture does not say “and to seeds,” meaning many people, but “and to your seed,” meaning one person, who is Christ."- Galatians 3:16so now we no longer have to keep circumcision physically, but mentally >"Neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything; what counts is the new creation."- Galatians 6:15>"Circumcise your hearts, therefore, and do not be stiff-necked any longer."- Deuteronomy 10:16
>>534101781>Do you believe in God, but not think he is good?I think God is the totality of everything including the material and immaterial (logic, information, abstract concepts etc.)So God is both life and death, good and evil. Both the herbivore and the predator come from the same source. The idea of a benevolent paternal figure is cope, we want to believe that despite everything happening to us, in the end there will be divine justice.My personal cope is that my ego that formed when I became alive is like a fragile soap bubble that has trapped some air inside of it, and when that bubble inevitably pops the air will just mix again until some part of it is trapped in another bubble and so on for as long as there is life.Maybe in this way life is just a way for God to experience existence in the material realm, who knows.
>>534103321Did you not read the post? If Jesus was real, he probably would have had short hair. If Jesus stood out from the other Jews in Jerusalem, the Romans wouldn't have needed Judas to point him out. All the oldest depictions of Jesus have him with short hair. Jesus wasn't portrayed with long hair until a couple hundred years after his supposed death.
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He made niggers, how good can he be?
Since all that matters is the war of God I and Satan for Heaven Hell and Earth Thread themehttps://youtu.be/nP9mB1sVJz4
>>534103422You should be careful cherry picking because I can have twice as many verses that conflict new fag to the war of the worlds
>>534102256Deism is the only rational inquiry
>>534101781>2 Kings 2:23-25Yahweh sends a bear to maul a group of children to death for laughing at a bald man >Psalm 137:9Yahweh delights at little babies being slammed against rocks until thev die>Ephesians 6:5Yahweh endorsing and encouraging slavery >Titus 2:9Epistle from Paul demanding slaves must obey their masters no matter what they ask them to do>1 Timothy 6:1Epistle from Paul stating slaves they must always respect their masters or else risk upsetting Yahweh >Numbers 31:18Yahweh endorses the slavery, kidnapping, and paedophilic rape of little girls, and the murder of their families>JobYahweh allows Satan to torture Job physically and mentally for years and to murder his entire family, just to win a bet
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Conjoined twins prove that people don’t have freewill and could make the argument that God and Satan suffered less.All that matters is the sexy war of Me God and Satan while the other humans are forgotten trashWho automatically get heavenYet weren’t chosen https://youtu.be/tBdLO8u-0L8
>>534102985>God needs God to save me from God and things God madegod is outside of time. he knew this is the best possible world and he chose to create it>adam and eve were trickedthey were lied to by the father of lies (satan), and they chose to trust him over obeying what god had commanded >conjoined twins are left forgottenpeople could be born like this as a curse, or as a means to test people. but they are not forgotten by god>i, god and satan play war of the worldsthat war ended before it even began, and god wins
>>534103668You’re too dumb for me. I have 500 other better arguments on here. It’s not personal just God should have given you a higher IQ
>>534103173>covered in blood samples showing signs of someone who suffered extreme torture and blood loss>feet covered in Jerusalem limestone>embedded pollen from area of Levant>linen samples matching ones found at Siege of Masada ~60 AD>2 micrometer thick 3 dimensional imprint on topmost surface layers of linen, that when topographized literally just look like a photograph, far beyond the capabilities of any Renaissance, much less Antiquity, artist to recreate>entire history of Shroud lines up with history of Image of Edessa from the classical east, right down to obscure, tiny details such as specific patterns of burn holes appearing in other Orthodox renditions in the 11th, 9th, earlier centuries. refuting the initial dating to medieval times>early fragments of apocryphal writings quoted by Church Fathers as far back as 200 AD reference Jesus's burial shroud actually being given and moved around by the Church before being hidden and kept safe, establishing historical awareness/precedent of the artifact>the earliest Orthodox icons of Jesus line up exactly with the facial features of the Shroud; the Orthodox icon still used today of Jesus's face lines up exactly with when the original image of Edessa was taken out of its hiding spot and made public again in 554 >wound up being publicly known in France a century and a half after a Crusader reported seeing the shroud of Jesus in Constantinople before it disappeared in the sacking of 1204>only recreated a few years ago, in a laser lab where an incredibly intense, short burst of laser/radiation copied the already known information from the shroud to copy it>God literally took a photograph in 1st century AD so His Church would have His face for the icons
Now I play my game right God and Satan?
Christian’s when they realize God made schizophrenia proving even more freewill doesn’t exist
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>>534101781God is not a person.
>>534103667>Conjoined twins prove that people don’t have freewillYou get your foreskin back in hell so this is a non issue. There's a reason why we understand predetermination using the analogy of seeds and fruits
>>534103445convenient that the one true god or one true messiah was born in the era of the written word, and not in the preceding ~200k years of modern man's existence.
>>534104060>convenientplanned
>>534103321>is jesus sinning by having long hair no, according to paul it's disgraceful (not sinful), but he's appealing to nature, not to the biblepart of the vow of a nazirite is to have long hair. it's what sampson was doing that got him blessed with strength >"During the entire period of their Nazirite vow, no razor may be used on their head. [..] they must let their hair grow long"- Numbers 6:5
>>534104140why 2000 years ago and not 20,000 years ago?
>>534104262in part because yes, reading and writing were well established and the roman empire provided a pretty stable environment for the early church to spread the Gospel far and wide. really cant comment on all the reasons why God might have chosen that time.
>>534104262Why not now? Seems strange that God would "reveal" himself before history could be reliably recorded.
>>534103435>"I form the light and create darkness, I make peace and create calamity; I, the LORD, do all these things.’- Isaiah 45:7>God is both good and evilgod is good. evil is the separation from god. god allows for beings to separate from him / to be evil. but to be separate from god is not the rainbow parade that people imagine it is, it is a place where good isn't, a place of suffering.
>>534103465niggers made themselvesThe people of Cain are cursed.>The Lord said, “What have you done? Listen! Your brother’s blood cries out to me from the ground. Now you are under a curse and driven from the ground, which opened its mouth to receive your brother’s blood from your hand. When you work the ground, it will no longer yield its crops for you. You will be a restless wanderer on the earth.”>Cain said to the Lord, “My punishment is more than I can bear. Today you are driving me from the land, and I will be hidden from your presence; I will be a restless wanderer on the earth, and whoever finds me will kill me.”>But the Lord said to him, “Not so; anyone who kills Cain will suffer vengeance seven times over.” Then the Lord put a mark on Cain so that no one who found him would kill him. So Cain went out from the Lord’s presence and lived in the land of Nod, east of Eden.- Genesis 4:10-16The people of Canaan are cursed.>"So Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done to him. Then he said: 'Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants he shall be to his brethren.'"- Genesis 9:24-25And yes, these were passed down to their children too.>"You shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, YHWH, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me."- Exodus 20:5>"One of illegitimate birth shall not enter the assembly of the Lord; even to the tenth generation none of his descendants shall enter the assembly of the Lord."- Deuteronomy 23:2
>>534104461That makes no sense. Darkness is the absence of light. It would be nothing but darkness before light was created.
>>534103550https://rumble.com/v70fnss-st.-pauls-cathedral-from-glorious-to-groveling.html
>>534101781I believe I was created in God's image.I also like to drown guests in Rollercoaster Tycoon.
>>534104562in that context both darkness and calamity are paired and refer to bad things happening in the world
>>534104612When you have unlimited power and foresight, the best way to deal with problems is mass murder.
>>534101781>>534102126>>534102256The fact that so many niggers like you Oo and most of the replies have clearly never read the New testament — a remarkably short religious text which defines christianity, is proof that most humans aren't even meant to be saved much less understand Christ's work on Earth.Why don't you stop pontificating shit you clearly haven't understood, read the New testament and only the new testament and then decide your opinion.
>>534103605yeah, yeah, relax, trannyi'll enslave you soon enough
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>>534104706>appealing to the new testamentgod's alleged existence predates the new testament by a considerable margin. the new testament is a bunch of nonsense designed to encourage servility.
The hubris in assuming a creator deity actually gives a shit about the shitshow it excreted is wild. You have consciousness and free will. What more do you need to shape your reality faggot? Be thankful you exist at all. The reason is unknowable at this time and if that doesn't humble you nothing will.
>>534104706I read the NT when I was a teen. My sister married a pastor and dragged me to church often. The Bible is hogwash. You want to believe, so you believe. It doesn't matter how obvious the bullshit is when you're committed to the bit.
>>534104262>>534104443the nerve to think god owes you an explanation, btw
>>534101781I belive in a Creator but not the god of the jews. The story doesn't make sense given the scope of the universe
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>>534104838I don't think god owes me anything because I don't think he's real, retard. I'm not going to beg Captain Hook to give me fencing lessons.
>>534101781I believe the entity judeochristians call "God" exists.I also believe he's a fucking asshole, isn't anything like what they believe in, and basically isn't worth being called a god, much less a God.He's just some random larper with too much time and power on his hands.I don't care if he's an extraterrestrial, extradimensional, extraplanar, or whatever. An asshole is still an asshole.
>>534101781>memeflag>rêddit spacing>pedestrian reasoningstay plastered anon. those who search, as if for hidden treasure, find life; this weak wristed - post-coom lazy shower thoughts will profit you nothing. Christ is King.
>>534103927He's a human father's authority, internalized in childhood and re-interpreted as something metaphysical by culture.
>>534104743This is the same anon
>>534105619He's a peasant from a peasant country who practices a religion for peasants.
>>534105619How do you know that?Are you pretending to be a mod? That's bannable offense, you know.
>>534101781I do believe in "God", but not religionReligion is a creation of man, a tool to obtain and keep power over others"God" is simply a force we do not understandIt created itself from nothing, because nothing can exist without everything, but everything cannot exist without nothingIn order for everything to include absolutely everything, it must include nothing and by including nothing to everything, nothing is no longer nothing, it is a part of something, thus making nothing something.Since we are a part of something, whatever something is and what we really are is immaterial, it simply proves that something exists and since something exists, an absolute state of nothing must also have existedAll that exists, have existed and will exists does so as a part of "God`s" search for completion.It is just ever-changing energy in all thinkable and at least for us unthinkable variations that will go on until it reaches a stable version that does not change and is for the lack of a better word, perfect.We are just a tiny fraction of this
>>534105619that image is disgusting perversion and ahistorical for the vast majority of Christian history. and most Christians, since the beginning, would entirely reject that: both race mixing in community and breeding. these ideas were only popularized alongside other sexual perversions of the 1920s (after Private Central Bank enslavement was wrought in america)
>>534105619bearing false witness againGod disapproves of race-mixing.>"Beware of all whoredom, my son, and chiefly take a wife of the seed of thy fathers, and take not a strange woman to wife, which is not of thy father’s tribe [...]"- Tobit 4:12>"Ye have transgressed, and have taken strange wives, [...] do the Lord's bidding: and separate yourselves from the people of the land, and from your strange wives." - Ezra 10:10-11>"In those days also saw I Jews that had married [foreign] wives [...] and could not even speak in the Jews' language [...] And I contended with them, and cursed them, and smote certain of them, and plucked off their hair, and made them swear by God, saying, Ye shall not give your daughters unto their sons, nor take their daughters unto your sons, or for yourselves. Did not Solomon king of Israel sin by these things? [...] Shall we then hearken unto you to do all this great evil, to transgress against our God in marrying strange wives?" - Nehemiah 13:23-27>"Or else, if indeed you do go back, and cling to the remnant of these nations—these that remain among you—and make marriages with them, and go in to them and they to you, know for certain that the Lord your God will no longer drive out these nations from before you. But they shall be snares and traps to you, and scourges on your sides and thorns in your eyes, until you perish from this good land which the Lord your God has given you."- Joshua 23:12-13
>>534105798>i do believe in god>but not in christianity, because i don't want to conservative>and actually, i am god right
>>534105769>How do you know that?It came to me in a dream ;^)
>>534105904Nah, it's you Tsani.
I think God grew up like a human. He tried to create perfect children it it didn't work out, so he made a world similar to that he grew up in.
>>534101781The parasites are something to fight against. Kind of emergent that they'd exist too. Otherwise what is negative anymore?
Judging God's actions or will on the level of mortal morality is retarded. The divine order is clearly pointed out through studying the rise and fall of civilisations. Stick to a virtuous life, full of discipline, bravery, discernment, loyalty for your friends, scorn for your enemy or you're fucked. Stick to oppressing, killing and expulsing the Jews at every opportunity or you're fucked. Stick to exploiting natural ressources in a sustainable matter or you're fucked. Anyone forgetting these lessons deserves to get his ass handed to him.
