https://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe/10/07/italy.turin.shroud/https://www.researchgate.net/publication/243582609_Life-Size_Reproduction_of_the_Shroud_of_Turin_and_its_Image
>>534105984Jesus never existed
JESUS CHRIST!
>>534105984>covered in blood samples showing signs of someone who suffered extreme torture and blood loss>feet covered in Jerusalem limestone>embedded pollen from area of Levant>linen samples matching ones found at Siege of Masada ~60 AD>2 micrometer thick 3 dimensional imprint on topmost surface layers of linen, that when topographized literally just look like a photograph, far beyond the capabilities of any Renaissance, much less Antiquity, artist to recreate>entire history of Shroud lines up with history of Image of Edessa from the classical east, right down to obscure, tiny details such as specific patterns of burn holes appearing in other Orthodox renditions in the 11th, 9th, earlier centuries. refuting the initial dating to medieval times>early fragments of apocryphal writings quoted by Church Fathers as far back as 200 AD reference Jesus's burial shroud actually being given and moved around by the Church before being hidden and kept safe, establishing historical awareness/precedent of the artifact>the earliest Orthodox icons of Jesus line up exactly with the facial features of the Shroud; the Orthodox icon still used today of Jesus's face lines up exactly with when the original image of Edessa was taken out of its hiding spot and made public again in 554 >wound up being publicly known in France a century and a half after a Crusader reported seeing the shroud of Jesus in Constantinople before it disappeared in the sacking of 1204>only recreated a few years ago, in a laser lab where an incredibly intense, short burst of laser/radiation copied the already known information from the shroud to copy it>God literally took a photograph in 1st century AD so His Church would have His face for the icons
>>534105984Even the Catholic Church condemned the Shroud of Turin as a Renaissance-era forgery https://www.medievalists.net/2025/08/medieval-scholar-shroud-of-turin-fake/
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>>534106113>I'm a brown gypsy and I worship a mythical Jew to feel better about my life
FACT: Christianity was an lgbtq conspiracy.>>Hello class, let me teach you theology.>>The law doesn't matter, you just have to believe in Jesus>>Be inclusive, there is no Jew or Greek, even though Jews are Negroid and Greeks are Aryan. Race mixing is good.>>Hashtag respect women. Don't punish women for adultery>>Hashtag believe women- Mary was a virgin!>>By the way, premarital heterosexual sex is now sinful (so based religious people like me are saints)How gullible and dumb are the goyim. The same archtype of people always existed.
>>534105984there is no god. when you die to enter the same state you were in before you were born. we're the same as every other animal living on earth. evolved over millions of years through natural selection to our current form.
>>534105984Critics acknowledge that his replica looks somewhat similar to the naked eye (faint, pseudonegative image with some 3D-like qualities) and is arguably the best such attempt to date, but argue it fails to replicate many of the Shroud’s fundamental, agreed-upon physical and chemical properties—especially at the microscopic level. They conclude it does not demonstrate how a medieval forger could have produced the actual Shroud image. Key points include:Microscopic fiber coloration and superficiality differ markedly: On the real Shroud (per STURP and later studies), the body image consists of a very thin (~0.2 μm), uniform discoloration confined to the outermost surface of the linen fibers (a cellulose oxidation/dehydration effect). It appears circumferential around exposed fibers, follows fiber striations, and covers much of the exposed thread surface without discrete spots or deep penetration into the fiber. Garlaschelli’s image shows discrete discolored spots or patches only on the side of the fiber exposed to the acid (one-sided, not uniform/circumferential). It resembles chemical etching that affects fibers differently and does not match the Shroud’s extreme, uniform superficiality.e1a404Lack of proper half-tones, fuzzy borders, continuity, and non-contact-area imaging: The Shroud image is continuous with soft, fuzzy contours and gradual half-tone shading (intensity varies with apparent cloth-body distance, even in low-contact areas like between nose and cheek). Garlaschelli’s final image (after washing) has sharper boundaries, lacks fuzzy halftones in small structures (e.g., fingers/face details), shows abrupt “plateaus and cliffs” rather than gradual transitions, and has little to no color in true non-contact zones. Resolution is poorer (~1–2 mm vs. Shroud’s ~4.9 mm).e326d1
>>534106089Precisely the series of facts that took me from atheist to Christianity. Seemingly just in time for the end. Like a shepherd calling his flock home as the sun sets.
>>534106393>>534105984Inferior 3D encoding: The Shroud encodes precise three-dimensional information (luminance correlates tightly with cloth-to-body distance across fine relief variations). Garlaschelli’s has only crude 3D properties limited to contact vs. non-contact zones, not the Shroud’s detailed, realistic encoding.fec712Methodological/practical issues with pigments and aging: The “dry powder” variant (similar to earlier experiments by Joe Nickell) would lose pigment during handling/rolling and not survive natural aging. The acidic slurry + artificial heating produces the discoloration but does not mimic medieval conditions or the Shroud’s natural aging chemistry. Bloodstains and image chronology (e.g., no body image under bloodstains on the Shroud) were not adequately addressed.a83b9dHeimburger summarized that while Garlaschelli produced the “best Shroud-like image today,” its properties “remain in fact very far from the fundamental properties of the Shroud image” (except for negativity and non-fluorescence). He concluded: “the Shroud image remains unfakable” by this or similar techniques.436aef Fanti and Heimburger stated that “most of the critical characteristics of the Turin Shroud image are very different” and that the technique is unlikely to explain the original.843a30
>>534106089>Jesus is godYou people are just sad.
>>534106480>I and my Father are one
why does god need to reveal himself through some 2000 year old cumrag?why does it always have to be a fucking piece of toast, or a water stain, or some other weird shit why cant god just appear, apologize for cancer, cure it, and then leave after giving a clear concise answer about what religion to follow?I'd be a christian overnight
>>534106089>suffered extreme torture and blood lossThis is what christians worship and follow. Not his message
>>534106629>apologize for cancerIssues nobody will care about after first million of years of Life Eternal.You were given an opportunity to prove you are worthy reigning alongside God, stop whining and do some good works>If we endure, we will also reign with Him.
it's fake because it's from later interpretations of jesusthe bible says long hair is for effeminate faggots
>>534105984We know that fake relics were produced en masse in medieval times and sold to retarded believers.Nails & wood from the cross, lance tips, grails, shrouds... This is just one of many, famous only because of the personal image.
Christ is King
>>534106831>2 more weeks>trust the planfunny how alllll of your problems cease to exist and it will all make sense the moment you die
>>534106853There were so many claimed "jesus's foreskins" that at one point the vatican had an official jesus foreskin expert that would check the veracity of jesus foreskin claims.
>>534106853>no rebuttal just pure denialThis is what atheists take for thinkers But let's play your game. You are insisting falsehood in the idea that>people refused to deny despite torture >became a state religion despite ages of prosecution >in a violent empire where legionaires routinely raped civilians during peace time>which had such a sway that it ended such practices alongside gladiator games and slavery >not to mention motivated first public hospitals in Greece and RomeWouldn't be still miraculous even as a falsehood?
>>534106071why would a rabbi called yeshua (lit. call out to yahweh) ben joseph, born to a jewish mother and presumably a jewish father, in israel, circumcised, not exist?
I know this is scary for you guys, but once Christianity goes extinct, humanity has a bright future. We will preserve civilization in a zone of the earth governed by Jewish law.(It will go extinct slowly to avoid le antichrist trap, blah blah blah)
>>534106937This is the approach of a bad servant who has wasted his one entrusted golden talent.Christianity motivated progress and people devoting themselves to such things as copying books (which were too valuable at the time for anybody but 1%) because it promises reward for doing the best you can.As opposed to sick ambitions of the likes of Alexander the Great, whose empire collapsed after his death, spiraled into civil wars, and was easily conquered by Romans
>>534106629>why cant god just appear, apologize for cancer, cure it, and then leave after giving a clear concise answer about what religion to follow?Pro tip, that's literally exactly what he did.(And yids, of course, tortured and killed him at the first opportunity.)
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>>534106089And his hands are coincidently completely covering his junk, as if they knew it would leave an imprint, even though that's not standard burial position. No one ever mentions this but it makes it obvious.
>>534107542>knows camera technology and the internet is less than 2000 years away. >can't wait (whatever "waiting" means for god)CLASSIC!
>>534107542Why would an all-powerful, all-knowing god allow mere mortals to kill him?And what's stopping him from respawning?
>>534107972What would a photo of Jesus Christ change? There are already pictures that depict him from eyewitness accounts, you don't care. You won't care about photos either.>>534108372>Why would an all-powerful, all-knowing god allow mere mortals to kill him?a) he wanted the complete human experience (with death included).b) there's really only two options - either kill all humans and wipe the slate clean or try to reform some of them before they get completely spoiled. Neither of the two options implies kicking ass or acting like a Marvel superhero.>And what's stopping him from respawning?Nothing, that's what the second coming will be. (But it won't happen until the final TKD.)
>>534107780>bald>airtight wrap>surreal animationTry harder kike
>>534105984John 205And stooping to look in, he saw the linen cloths lying there, but he did not go in. 6Then Simon Peter came, following him, and went into the tomb. He saw the linen cloths lying there, 7and the face cloth, which had been on Jesus’a head, not lying with the linen cloths but folded up in a place by itself.
>>534107223Every single point can be reasonably explained and is well understood without resorting to anything miraculous. Just for example: most actually did deny their faith under torture and we only remember those few mental cases who did not because they were defying a sane person's judgement. Visit a mental asylum and you may witness people who harm themselves in unimaginable ways. It became a state religion because the prosecution no longer worked. Too many freed slaves had become followers of the religion that declared the weak and opressed, them!, as the good. Success, however, does not prove anything true. This also applies to the cultural changes that the Christian belief effected or influenced. They are rather comprehensible, not miraculous at all.
>>534107398>kike lover cant help but insult Alexander the Great while promoting their god that promotes weakness and submissive behavior
>>534108372because it's an obvious jewish scam lol. anyone who understand jewish psychology sees through the grift>accuse you have an imaginary defect ie. antisemetism and original sin>say that jews have superior morality and you should obey them / rabbi yeshua>because you are an offender you should spend your life serving jews and doing reparations>get the money and souls of goyimsome people are such cattle
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>>534105984bro shut up about this fake bullshit
>>534106089>covered in blood samples showing signs of someone who suffered extreme torture and blood loss>God literally took a photograph in 1st century AD so His Church would have His face for the iconswow, same god who allegedly parted the waters of a sea, wrathfully killed millions, and set a bush on fire... took a photograph using torture and bloodidk how christkikes read this and are not only in awe, but decide to worship this obviously demonic entity.
>>534110150At worse, it's a free placebo effect that makes people feel good. Studies show that placebo works even when people know it's fake.The real question is why are you choosing to feel shittier than you have to?Is it worth feeling shitty to be "right"?And if you're such an atheist, why do you care about being right? You're going to die and nothing will matter according to you, so why choose to feel shittier for no reason?Choosing to be an atheist or agnostic is basically giving up a free drug that costs you $0, has no withdrawal effects, and doesn't hurt your body.
>>534111110i grew up worshiping and felt far better after leaving the scam behind. I'm not concerned about being "right", I value intellectual honesty and logical cohesion. I didn't find either in religion.
>>534106071Neither did jews
>>534105984>Life-Size Reproduction of the Shroud of Turin and its Image>July 2010Image Penetration and DepthThe Shroud of Turin’s image is strictly superficial, affecting only the topmost fibers (the primary cell wall) of the linen threads, measuring approximately 200 nanometers in thickness.The Flaw: Garlaschelli used an acid-pigment rubbing technique. Microscopic analysis of his reproduction showed that the pigment and acid penetrated deeper into the fabric and the medulla of the fibers than the image on the Shroud.2. Lack of 3D Information (VP-8 Analysis)One of the most unique features of the Shroud is its "encoded" topographical information. When processed through a VP-8 Image Analyzer, the Shroud image produces a consistent 3D relief because the intensity of the image correlates to the distance between the body and the cloth.The Flaw: Garlaschelli’s reproduction, created by rubbing cloth over a person and a bas-relief mask, produces distorted 3D reconstructions. Because the pigment density in his method does not strictly correlate to cloth-to-body distance, the resulting relief often contains "hot spots" or flattened features.3. Chemical SignatureThe Shroud image is characterized by the dehydration and oxidation of the linen fibers themselves, with no evidence of paints, pigments, or binders in the image areas (as concluded by the 1978 STURP team).The Flaw: Garlaschelli used ochre (iron oxide) and an acid solution. While he attempted to wash away the pigment to leave only a "scorch-like" stain, chemical testing still detects the presence of the foreign materials used in his process, whereas the Shroud’s image lacks these chemical markers.
>>534111505You didn't really address my arguments at all.
>>5341120344. Comparison of "Half-Tones"The Shroud image is "monochrome" and created by a "half-tone" effect, where the shading is produced by the number of colored fibers per unit area, not by varying the darkness of the color on individual fibers.The Flaw: Rubbing techniques naturally create variations in the intensity of the pigment on individual fibers (saturation), which contradicts the "on/off" microscopic nature of the Shroud’s coloring.5. Resolution and BoundariesThe Shroud image lacks sharp outlines or boundaries, appearing blurry at close range and only becoming recognizable from a distance.The Flaw: The use of an acid-rubbing technique often results in sharper edges or "bleeding" patterns where the liquid acid follows the capillary action of the linen threads, a feature not present in the original.6. Thermal and Water StabilityThe Shroud image survived a major fire in AD 1532. The heat from the fire and the water used to extinguish it did not alter the image or cause it to run or migrate.The Flaw: Many pigment-based reproductions or acid-etched images react poorly to high heat or water saturation, often showing signs of solubility or thermal degradation that the Shroud does not exhibit.
>>534106089The information presented in turin.jpg aligns with several significant peer-reviewed studies that challenge the 1988 radiocarbon dating and document the Shroud's unique physical properties.Accuracy of Technical and Physical ClaimsThe specific characteristics of the image described in turin.jpg are supported by the findings of the 1978 Shroud of Turin Research Project (STURP):Superficiality: The image resides only on the absolute surface of the linen fibers.3D Encoding: The image intensity corresponds to distance, allowing for 3D reconstruction via a VP-8 analyzer.No Pigments: Detailed chemical analysis found no evidence of paints, dyes, or traditional artistic media used to create the image.Accuracy Regarding Carbon Dating FlawsThe image's claims regarding the inaccuracy of the 1988 carbon dating are supported by more recent research:
Jesus is Adam. We are all Jesus. Jesus is man. You won't be able to handle the truth.
>>534111110>And if you're such an atheist, why do you care about being right? You're going to die and nothing will matter according to you,That's not true.>Choosing to be an atheist or agnostic is basically giving up a free drug that costs you $0In my experience it wasn't a drug, but a sad dependency. Once I realized that I has the.ability to determine how I feel and how to move forward, then dependence was lifted. And the fear as well.
>>534112242Sample Anomalies: Chemist Ray Rogers documented that the sample used for dating contained cotton and dye—materials used in medieval "invisible reweaving"—which were not present in the main body of the Shroud.Statistical Unreliability: A 2019 study of the original raw data from the 1988 labs concluded that the samples were not homogeneous, making the resulting AD 1260–1390 date statistically unreliable.New Dating Methods: Non-radiocarbon tests, such as Wide-Angle X-ray Scattering (WAXS) conducted in 2022, have estimated the age of the linen to be approximately 2,000 years, consistent with the first century AD.Forensic AccuracyThe medical and forensic details in turin.jpg match historical Roman practices:Execution Details: The image shows wounds consistent with a Roman flagrum (whip) and nail placement through the wrists, which is anatomically necessary to support a body's weight, unlike many medieval artistic depictions that show nails through the palms.Botanical Evidence: The presence of travertine aragonite (limestone) on the feet and pollen species specific to the Jerusalem area supports a Middle Eastern origin for the cloth.
>>534112076You didn't make any arguments. All you did was strawman
>>534106071Even the most retarded 70 iq reddit atheists don't deny the existence of Christ. You must be omega brown.
>>534112287Are you conflating the belief in God with beleif man-made religions? Are you a fucking retard that can't tell the difference?You can believe in God without joining whatever faggy amish cult your family was a part of.
>>534112398>belief in man-made religions
>>534106362>>534107348Why do kikes post on /pol/?Most of the anti-Christ kvetching comes from jews on this board.
>>534112076what >>534112324 saidyou correctly assumed that I was atheist because I criticized christianity.you incorrectly assumed and asserted that my reason was because I care about "being right"your reasoning is, "who cares, believe this fable that makes you feel good bro"and I said "I've believed that believed that fable, I felt better when I stopped believing it"I don't know what else you want.
>>534112607>believed that believed thatderp
>>534106089Thank you for posting this; saved to my desktop. Christ is King.
>>534106853Miracles are fake ... because they just are Smartest atheist
>>534112607Did I ever say I was a Christian or imply you should believe any specific man-made religion?>I don't know what else you want.I want you to actually consider the existence of god instead of writing it all off just because you hate your family.It's really obvious that most people like you that are an atheist are just an atheist because they hate their family and their family made them do religious stuff, so you're just being an atheist to spite them, because you said: >I has the.ability to determine how I feelYou've always had that ability, you had that ability in church too, no one was forcing you to feel anything.
>>534112375Satan was cast out of Heaven and nailed himself to a cross to trick you into subverting God's Will
>>534112837Name one that isn't just bullshit.
>>534112398>Are you conflating the belief in God with beleif man-made religions?Man created both >You can believe in God without joining whatever faggy amish cult your family was a part of.Again with the strawman
>>534112844>I want you to actually consider the existence of godWhy?
>>534113043The human body : it ' s basically a machine where all the parts are combined with each other ; it MUST have been made by a superior being
>>534113216>it MUST have been made by a superior beingYou're welcome to your personal feelings and opinions
>>534112844>Did I ever say I was a ChristianI never said you were. I criticized christianity and you responded to that>I want you to actually consider the existence of god instead of writing it all off just because you hate your family.again, strawman. I don't hate my family, I don't believe in a scam. Are you able to post without making baseless assertions?I have considered the existence of god and I consider it a waste of time. I feel happier having the intellectual honesty to say "I don't know" and not draw wild conclusions.why do you want me to believe in god and why are you prone to wild conclusions?
>>534105984why the fuck would you recreate the image of a non omnipotent child raping tyrant ? jesus christ is the top of the epstein blackmailershe is the one raping all of the kids he rapes 1000 kids to death a day.>>534106071how dare you lie and say the child raping nigger jesus doesnt existhe is a complete and total shit on the floor
>a forgery using blood and some old linenchristcucks and their coping mechanisms are hilarious and pathetic. Take a real religion like for example Judaism, take all its history, and add soothsayer comes along and calls himself the son of g*d spouting love thy neighbor shit. 1 person (not 4 "gospelists", it's been scientifically proven) writes down 99% fake shit with a 1% to make it sound plausible, and through intensive proselytizing to blacks and indians makes it the #1 religion. It's all a LIE, like jes*s' miracles.
>>534113216>it ' s basically a machine where all the parts are combined with each otherThat is the definition of a machine. >it MUST have been made by a superior beingI do not know where your train of thought jumped to this conclusion, but it also has numerous flaws.
>>534113756Why post the fake version?
>>534106557I'm one with the spirit too. Does that make me god? No, stop being stupid.
>>534106071I hear he's good at mowing lawns.
>>534106089Shroud of Turin zyxwvut
>>534106099During which Anti-pope, before or after the demonic takeover of the church?
>>534113373>why do you want me to believe in god and why are you prone to wild conclusions?I guess I just hoped you weren't an NPC
>>534106089I can completely believe that the burial shroud is real and authentic.That's fine.But how does it prove that he rose from the dead?There's a bit of a leap between saying that there's proof he was real vs proof of a miracle.
> 2009 articlesGood try atheist
3 Things Satan Fears MostWhen You Say Them, Darkness Retreatshttps://youtu.be/KjIzOe8kCtM1 – Lord Jesus is my Lord, and I belong to Him.2 – The Blood of Jesus covers me and my household.3 – I am no longer afraid because the One who lives in me is greater than the one who is in the world.
>>534105984>Shroud of TurinNigga dis sh*t fake as hell, bffr cmoooon
>>534107780this is fucking cool, what is it?
>>534105984Yall wanna know for real-for real, no cap, why every scientist and historian with a brain ain never gon link that Turin Shroud shit to the actual Jesus from Nazareth? Aight, bet. We gotta strip this whole convo down, deadass. Ain no faith-healin, holy-rollin vibes in here. We goin in raw with mad different fields of study, period.That Shroud? It be a big-ass linen sheet, like 4.4 by 1.1 meters, showin some nigga in a photo-negative lookin like he got worked over real bad, crucifixion style. And yeah, its a crazy piece for the religious and art heads, I ain gon front. But when you let the real ones, chemists, physicists, anatomy geeks, forensic nerds, historians, even the Bible scholars, cook on it, they all come back with the same shit: That joint is a Middle Age European knockoff. It ain from no 1st-century Judea, not even close.Here go the whole breakdown on why that Shroud ain got shit to do with Jesus. We talkin all the receipts, section by section.
>>534113125all they can do is strawman they cant fathom something doing something for the sake of doing it without their Orwellian tribal war god judging every thought and action
>>534119604>1. The Ghost Period: Ain No Records for a Cool 1300 YearsLook, if this was really the sheet they wrapped Jesus dead body in, it woulda been the most sacred, heavy-hittin relic in the whole damn Christian world, ya feel me? But check it, there ain one single crumb, not a document, not a story, nothin about this giant-ass rag for the first thirteen hundred years. Not a muhfuckin peep. This bitch just pop up outta nowhere in 1354, in Lirey, France, chillin in the hands of some French knight name Geoffroi de Charny, and ain nobody can explain how he got his hands on it.The most damning paper trail that scream “FAKE” is the Pierre dArcis Memorandum from 1389. This wasnt no hater; this was the bishop of Troyes, the diocese Lirey was under. He wrote a whole-ass formal complain to Pope Clement VII. In that letter, he straight-up called the Shroud a fraud, said it was cooked up to hustle pilgrims outta they coins. He even said his predecessor, Henry of Poitiers, did a whole investigation 30 years prior and actually found and grilled the damn artist who pained that shit. The Popes response? He let em keep showin the cloth, but he laid down the law: Every time they flash it, they gotta holler out loud that its just a “figure or representation”, a artistic icon, and NOT the real sudario of Christ. Real talk, the Vatican been knew.
>>534119734>2. The C-14 Radiocarbon Datin Ain Never LieIn 1988, the Vatican let some cats snip a piece for that radiometric date check. Three of the top labs on the whole planet, University of Oxford, University of Arizona, and the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology in Zurich, ran that shit independently and blind, checkin it against other old samples. The final word dropped in the big-league journal Nature in 89. The results was unanimous, zero question: The flax they used for that linen dates back to somewhere between 1260 and 1390 AD, with a 95% confidence rate. And you already KNOW, that lines up way too perfect with the very first time the cloth ever shows up in history (1354).Now, a bunch of “pro-authenticity” scholars been tryin to shit on the test ever since, cryin about possible contamination, smoke from fires, invisible mendin, bacteria. But the global science community be like, “Hold up, playa.” To throw off a datin by a whole damn 1300 years, that sheet would gotta be more than 60% modern, invisible material. Thats some physically and chemically impossible shit and its been debunked over and over in independent academic papers. They just be graspin at straws.
>>534119795>3. Forensic Blood Spatter Analysis (BPA) Don PlayThe bloodstain pattern analysis put the final nail in the coffin. A 2018 study in the Journal of Forensic Sciences by forensic anthropologist Matteo Borrini and chemist Luigi Garlaschelli simulated blood flow from wrists, feet, and the side usin real and synthetic blood on dummies and actual volunteers.They conclusion was a wrap: The direction of the blood trickles on the Shroud be straight-up disrespectin gravity.- The rivulets on the arms show blood flowin like the arms was stretched straight up in the air, but the image on the cloth is of a body laid flat on its back.- The stains on the back and lower back? Completely incompatible with a bleedin corpse lyin down. They require the body to be standin vertical. The image shows some fantasy, cartoonish fluid behavior, more like how a medieval artist thought a bleedin body should look, not how blood actually acts on a 3D dead body. Its a wrap, case closed.
>>534119856>4. That Shit Geometrically and Anatomically WackThe Shroud got some body and shape problems that prove its a 2D picture, man.- The “Mask of Agamemnon” Effect: When you wrap a flat sheet around a real-ass 3D face, the cloth touches the sides of the nose, the cheeks, the ears. Lay it flat, and the image gon be distorted, extra wide, with all the features lookin bent and off. But the face on the Shroud? Its got them perfect, photographic proportions of a flat 2D paining. A 2025 digital simulation by 3D designer Cicero Moraes sealed it: Its geometrically impossible to get a proportional, flat image from contact with a 3D body. The image was most likely made by rubbin (frottage) over a shallow carving or just straight-up pained.- The Stretched-Out Arms: The Shroud mans hands be modestly coverin his crotch. On a real human body, for hands to fold that comfortably over the privates while layin flat (and in rigor mortis), the arms would have to be dislocated or freakishly stretched out by a few inches. This was a typical artistic trick in the Middle Ages to keep Christs depictions modest. It ain realistic anatomy; its artistic convenience.
>>534119905>5. The Chemistry: We Talkin Straight-Up Pain, BWalter McCrone, a top G microscopist and an OG from the STURP project in 78, took tape samples from the cloths surface. He found millions of microscopic particles of red ochre and cinnabar (mercury sulfide, a mad popular red pigment in the Middle Ages) floatin in a binder made of animal collagen (tempera or hide glue). Thats the exact medieval recipe for pain used on canvas, no damn miracle.On top of that, the textile analysis shows the sheet is woven with a fancy herringbone twill, 3:1 pattern. This complex, expensive weave was known in medieval Europe but is completely outta place for 1st-century Judea. Real burial shrouds they dug up in Israel from Jesuss time (like from that Akeldama tomb in Jerusalem) are plain-weave, way more basic and nothin like the Shrouds style. Its a straight-up anachronism.
>>534120137>6. The Bible Itself Call It OutThe Bibles own story of Jesuss burial straight-up contradicts the Shrouds design. The Gospel of John (the most detailed on the funeral rites) is clear as day (John 19:40 & 20:5-7): Jesus body was wrapped in othonia (strips of linen/bandages, plural) and his face was covered by a separate, small cloth called a soudarion (found later all rolled up neat in the tomb). But the Turin Shroud is a single, enormous 14-foot sheet that wraps from the back, over the head, and down to the feet. That ain matched up with 1st-century Jewish burial customs or the biblical texts. The scripture itself be a snitch on this forgery.
>>534106386God is real. No matter how much you want it to be the case, there is no escape in death. You will face judgement, as will every other person.Actions have consequences. God is perfection. When you break His laws, you suffer the consequences in this world and eternally. You are separated from Him. As punishment, you owe your life. But the good news is that Jesus paid your debts already. He died in your place, beaten, whipped, tortured, and nailed to a cross. The only question is: will you accept this gift?There is little time left to get to know Jesus, to accept his payment for your actions. If you ask genuinely, he will show you the truth, and you can be set free.
>>534120199>7. The Haters Comeback and Why They Still WackTo keep it 100 and intellectually solid, we gotta shout out that theres a small clique of cats, often callin theyselves “sindonologists”, always tryna flip the mainstream consensus. In the last few years (2022-2025), a study by Italian dude Liberato De Caro got some media hype. He used a Wide-Angle X-ray Scattering (WAXS) technique claimin the Shrouds cellulose is 2,000 years old.But the wider science community be side-eyein these minor studies super hard for mad reasons:1. No Tight Controls: Testing cellulose decay with X-rays ain no absolute clock, man. It be heavily dependent on environmental conditions, temperature, humidity, light exposure. To assume average stable conditions for 1,300 years of historical blackout is pure speculative guessin.2. A Track Record of Pullbacks: Previous studies by this same team on Shroud samples been yanked (retracted) by serious journals (like PLOS One in 2018) for trash controls and sketchy sample origins.3. They Cant Touch the Gold Standard: These experimental guesses don even put a dent in the C-14 datin, which still the muhfuckin gold standard. And they sure as hell cant explain away all the other mountains of evidence workin together, the pain, the wack anatomy, the gravity-defyin blood, the historical docs from Bishop DArcis snitchin.
>>534120280>Last WordsAin nobody tryna front on the Shrouds spiritual pull or the artistic freakiness of it. Hands down, its one of the most fascinating and complex medieval artifacts ever made, no question. But when you look at it with ice-cold logic and academic sharpness, the idea that this cloth ever wrapped Jesuss actual body just don hold no water in the face of the facts.Its 1,300-year disappearance from any record, the crystal-clear nuclear physics data (Radiocarbon: 1260-1390), the positive ID of medieval pain, the gravity-mockin blood behavior, the geometrically impossible 2D projection from a 3D face, and the existence of a contemporary document snitchin on a French artist cookin it up for a quick bag, all of that forms a brick wall of evidence. The Shroud ain no 1st-century miracle snapshot. Nah. Its a representational relic, an “icon,” as the Catholic Church itself (always been low-key on this, never once declared it dogmatically authentic) carefully calls it. It was made by a skilled, but anatomically off, craftsman from the 14th century. Straight up. Thats all it be.
>>534105984PRAISE THE LORD!AMEN
>>534105984Fake news from 2009
>>534105984Wrong. This is from 2010. Garlaschelli showed that he could create something that looks similar for the naked eye, but under a microscope it's completely different.Superficiality is wrong (original: 200-600 nm, with his method: dozens of micrometers), his work fluorescenes under UV-light (the original does not), his method does not encode 3D-information (see img), and so on. His image is also distorted, unlike the original (mask of agamemnon effect).In short, it's bullshit. It's like saying a piece of polished metal is the same as a modern computer chip because it looks similar.
>>534119795>2. The C-14 Radiocarbon Datin Ain Never LieExcept when it does, how old is this copy pasta? It has been known that the c14 results were bad since 2017. Really funny how angry you guys get over this one.
oh and he had to use pigments. The original shows a chemical change of the fiber itself.If you want to learn about the Shroud, read this.https://rentry.org/shroud-of-turin-27042026Fact-check:https://x.com/i/grok/share/13e94c8291e94f459bea48dfe128a273Wiki link:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VP8_Image_Analyzer
>>534106099Fuck the Pharisee Saul and his anti Christ temple.How can you take Christ as your one and only lord and authority then bow down to a mere mortal in a kippah. You can't.
>>534106099>the Catholic Church condemned the Shroud of Turin as a Renaissance-era forgeryOh, the Catholic Church? They sure wouldn't have any political reasons to deny the proof of Christ during the Protestant Reformation
>>534105984Jesus was Black
>>534107780If the shroud doesn't fit, we must acquit!
>>534106921How could Satan offer the whole world to Jesus if he didn't control it and where does Satan rule.
>>534106629If the book of Exodus was happening today and Moses was livestreaming the parting of the Red Sea in 4K, there would be people saying it was a deepfake, count the fingers on the staff.
>>534121820Denying your own god to own the Protestants?>>534121884Nuh uh that's Cheese Man
>>534118395Start looking into how the outermost image was formed. I'll give you a hint. It was not from body fluids or dust as I thought previously. It would honestly be more credible for shroud deniers to say that a time traveler created it to mislead us. Now that we have the technology to examine the shroud, it's never been so over for deniers.
>>534122221Dam you got me...
>>534122477It shouldn't have surprised me to see that the rendered image is what we've always known Him to look like.
>>534122029What could be lower and more crude than matter? They say Mind is the height of Heaven, but what is Hell made of? How does the Serpant move between the plains? Why was Man made? Why was Man left alone? From where does it all begin, and for why? To where is it all going, and because how? Who is in your Mind right now? What thoughts dictate your reality? Are you the Master of your own Mind? Do the thoughts that come into it originate from your very own Will, or were those thoughts put there? Do they grow like weeds? Could you be love and be loved?
>>534109905> Here is my enemies argument and my rebuttal> I produced bothBiggest clingers on to dogma in the history of humanity is the atheist.The scientific method is that one objectifies a phenomena, isolates it within a meta system then observes and measures the phenomena. They all agree that observation however influences results, that observation is at the most fundamental level is creation.Unfortunately at the grandest scale humans live within a system they can never leave. All great men of thinking accept and understand this.Theism is the observation of the hypothesised primary observer. That is all. It is that simple of a concept yet the big smooth brain atheist (midwits) constantly sees himself in the mirror as the primary observer. Incapable of true abstract thought.And no serious theologian considers the bible to be the word of god. They argue that it contains the word of god.One note is you very much get midwitted theists who go down the exact same route as every other midwit funnily enough. Both being the bane and scourge of the theologian. Smart enough to read but not smart enough to make basic abstract observations or hypothesis themselves. Merely repeating grammatical patterns which bring about repeatable phenomena in other midwitted and retarded individuals.
>>534121820The Catholic church did it... but in 1389. They changed their opinion long ago and are now officially neutral, but unofficially they very much doubt it's a work from mortal men. The evidence is too strong. Not even with modern methods the Shroud can be replicated. You'd need a 30-Terawatt laser than can etch several quadratmeters simultaneously. This technique doesn't exist.
>>534105984i bet if you got the shroud wet then squeezed out the water into vials you could sell them for like, 20 0000$ per vial
>>534122127funny how god had no problem playing on creative mode for his tribe of kikes in the ot but nowadays we're just supposed to trust the plan as everything around us goes to shitdont you ever stop for ONE second to realize that part of your literal apocalyptic prophecy involves letting your enemies basically fucking win?does it register any sense of self worth or preservation at all?>but jesus wins in the end!and who told you that?a fucking jew
>>534106071Moses never existed. No jews were ever enslaved in Egypt. No records. If there was an exodus, it was an unremarkable expulsion of criminals not important enough to document.Jesus' story, however, is in the eyewitness accounts from four disciples as the first four books of the New Testament. Additional corroborating letters between Romans also augment the fact.Your "but no jesus though" gambit is one of your most disasterous jewish subversions. You convince no one worth convincing, and only discredit your tribe further.
>>534122394>>534118395There is a flash of light when a sperm enters an egg. I suspect this was the case to create the shroud. Something about a soul entering meatspace releases light like this, but soul isnt well defined so it's hard to continue the argument.
>>534106113Fuck Pharisee Saul and his voodoo shit.The philosophical and ethical treatise and core of the new testament and new covenant is this;God sent his only beggoten sonHe did not sinHe died on the cross for your sinsBy taking him as your only lord, rejecting all other authority you are savedNothing else matters. The reason and to expand on that is the Jesus is the articulation and anthropomorphisation of an external moral absolute. Synonymous with the speed of light. Being no man is perfect it forms a hypothesis. Dealing with morality which is the measurement of interactions of entities and there outcomes therefore anthroporphic.It is as good as a typewriter in the hands of a monke for most. If you cannot do abstraction or understand absolutes or fractalisation of systems or a lot of other stuff you are just reading tea leaves.Or in other words. It's such a basic observation that Sisyphus does not need to exist for the moral concept to be a fundamental truth.Christ and his covenant being the fundamental truth of love as opposed by fear. Thus scaling morality in an empirical and objective manner.Ask any atheist how and from where they derived their morality. Even a midwits 'Christian'. Made up shit in their own head or collectively agreed.Ask a lamb of Christ and it's very simple, Christ is my lord and saviour, he is my northern star and my shepherd, and I accept no other authority whatsoever, no fucking popes, no translations or collections of dogma, entering into no contracts. Only the covenant.
>>534106099>forgerySo there's an original somewhere
>>534105984you know what it might be himi get massive child raping wizard vibes from that image.jesus christ is a child raping nigger and he created this network of prison realities in order to rape lie cheat and steal with impunitysucks to suck for himthats canceled you child raping nigger of no worththere is no god or omnipotenceonly a bunch of child raping nigger and their fake prison realities
>>534105984OK jewboy.Christ is King, jews will all burn in hell forever, where they rightfully belong.
>>534112953So you do believe in God?
>>534123276> Write this down jackhotep, some random minor halfcast royal migrated to start a new kingdom and the origin myth will paint us in a bad lightWhat about a mass influx of people into egypt at roughly that time? . . . .
>>534123678Circumcision is by definition pedophilic so it's strange you would bring that subject up . . . Being an actual victim of it and all that.You should reject the trauma bond, forgive your abusers. Then you will have peace.A prison of realities would more be defined as fucking up the development of the endochondral system's development specifically to produce an altered mental state. Which circumcision as a baby does as detailed in clinical literature.
>>534106089Then why does it look more like a crusader from the 12th century?
>>534107051KekThe original one was most likely eaten by a rabbi minutes after the fact
>>534123309If you can agree on the fact that the image was created by means we still don't have today, then you are essentially accepting that it is supernatural. The rest is just negotiation until you accept the conclusion that it was made at the moment Christ resurrected.
>>534107223>people refused to deny despite torture Deniers always want to claim the apostles were lying, like con men. If they are con men i can see the means and opportunity but the theory falls apart at the motive. Was just Jesus a con man then? Or did he trick his disciples too? We’re they in on it with him? None of those situations show a clear motive; if it’s a con then what is the score? What was their win condition? Why did none of them recant while thrown in prison, tortured, and executed? If Jesus is lying then why wouldn't he beg Pilate for mercy, no “we just did this to con people out of money, please just put me in prison instead of crucifying me”? None of them said “yeah, we just made it up for attention, please let me go.”? They went through all of that to what end? What were they trying to gain then if it’s all lies?
>>534105984That is the Christ phenotype I can attest to that
>>534125882The 2010 ArF-Excimer-Laser experiments showed that using the same method (the only method that in principle could achieve the same attributes as the Shroud has, though the machinery to do it at the necessary scale doesn't exist) you'd need a power of 34 Terawatt unloading in the span of a few nanoseconds (2GW per cm2). The flash of his resurrection burned his fotographic negative into the Shroud. including a 3D relief. I posted about further above.There is no energetic phenomenom on Earth that could do this. It's not even close.Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me will live, even though they die; and whoever lives by believing in me will never die. Do you believe this?”John 11:25-26The angel said to the women, “Do not be afraid, for I know that you are looking for Jesus, who was crucified. He is not here; he has risen, just as he said. Come and see the place where he lay.”Matthew 28:5-6
>>534127012Based beyond belief. It's also worth noting that I believe two different Gospels mention that the shroud was folded up and stored within the tomb. Jesus wanted us to have this for future generations.
>>534105984I love to see kikes MALDING over the shroud. They have tried and continue to try everything to discredit it, but they always fail. Don't be surprised if one day it is destroyed by (((arson))).
>>534128585Then they sit by a few years and claim it never existed and you can’t prove it did.
>>534106557Literally translated who knows how many times.It's definitely a prof. No denying.Being one with God doesn't mean being a God.Total christcuck death is need unfortunately
>>534118395It doesn't necessarily prove the resurrection. That is where you need to consider the claims of the New Testament. But I would say that the uniqueness of the Shroud should at least lend some credence to them.
>>534128585>uses kike not jewshalom rabbi
>>534129868Unlike Islam, Christianity actual has very muscular textual criticism. And even secular scholars agree that we have the original substance of the texts well preserved.Having said that, there are some difficulties like the pericope of the adulterous woman and other alleged interpolations. Much of them are overstated, but it doesn't really matter and none of them affect significantly the substance of the texts. There is also some secular bickering about the canonicity of some apocryphal texts, as if academia was an ecumenical council, the usual stuff. And finally, there are difficulties regarding some cultural and linguistic aspects, a problem that is more prevalent in the Old Testament, but also evident in the New in expressions like "eye of the needle" or "turning the other cheek". Regardless, we have very high confidence on the meaning of these texts even in secular academia.
>>534105984It would've been impossible to fake because the only way to do it would've not only required modern technology but they would've also had to crucify a real guy in the same place at the same time.
>>534131382The haematological data drawn from the Shroud is already a pretty big hurdle to overcome to anyone trying to prove it as a "fake". It simply doesn't make any sense that a Medieval forgery would anticipate all forensic science from the next several hundred years, including correct anatomical piercing of the wrists in direct contravention of contemporary sacred art, or that the blood would present several chemical signs of severe trauma. It's impossible to claim this is a fake.
>>534131351No it doesn't lolAll you have are 4 anonymous gospels written 70 years later your supposed messiahs life. Masoretic and Septuagint have contradictions. Etc. It's just jew nonsense
>>534131382ProtipBlood doesn't squiggle like that
>evangelists cumming about le turin relic because the church called it forgery>when japan has THREE relicsyou don't really want to use relics to prove how much your cult is true
>>534107780Okay do that with a hand woven shroud with the stiffness of a potato sack
>>534132719You have no idea what you're talking about, brother.
>>534106071Oh he exists. The question is more do you exist. One blink from the Lord and you will never have been.
>>534134999>I visited my dad a week ago. On a parkikg there was a car with a 777 license. 10 meters further there was one with a 7770E. There were also two with 925. Different brands, age, etc. Not belonging to the same people. 10 minutes later, I wanted to follow someone on X, I was his 777th follow. My dad was driving, I was tired because I slept too little that day, I opened my eyes after like 3 minutes, looked to the right because we took a turn in this direction and the second thing I saw after opening my eyes (beside the asphalt) was a big cross of the village cemetery. One week earlier I became a believer after I read the Gospel and didn't want to be alone living in sin anymore.I posted this a few days ago. I have zero doubt he exists.
Look inside not outside niggers. Funny how materialists always want a "clear material" proof for immaterial things. Doubting Thomases.
>>534106099>"Catholic" Church >ChristianityThose two things are not the same
>>534106089>>534106435>>534127012>/pol/cucks hate Israel but also believe in magical jews from Israel with supernatural powerslmao the right really is low IQ, no wonder megachurches are all headed by billionaires.
>>534106099No they don't. What are you on about? There is no official Church position on the Shroud. And most Popes have been very positive on it.
>>534105984Hypothetically let's say it is the real shroud. What would that prove about chrictcuckery being real? Nothing.
>>534106071fpbp
>>534134495it barely makes any different, apply some fucking common sense.
