I dont get it. Why doesn't everyone just press the red button?
>>534115102its a virtue signal experiment.in a real scenario the most 'diehard blue pushers' push red
>>534115102Notice the choice is presented as press blue or dont press blue.If the question is "if you push red, you are fine, if you push blue, you only live if 50% of people also push blue" then people would push red more.
>>534115102you're retarded for posting this slop here or even caring what this faggot has to say. are you brain rotted 10 year old ?
>>534115102YOOO MR BEAST 6 7 6 7 HAHAH RIZZING UP THE BOARD
>>534115246I think it is significant that a majority of people pressed blue despite not needing to.
THE TRUE ANSWER IS TO WALK AWAY FROM ALL BUTTONS STOP GETTING HERDED INTO A BINARY DIALECTICDONT SUCCUMB TO THE BINARY DIALECTIC
>>534115751I bet most people pressing the blue button are Whites, cause that's some stupidity they'd do to prove they're somehow good I guess. If it was a worldwide thing it would be overwhelmingly red, and Whites would get the culling of the weak that they desperately need.
>>534115239Kind of a shit virtue signal if no-one can tell which way you voted.You're just a sociopath that is upset that most people actually care about their fellow humans.
I pressed blue because I want everyone in this good green earth to suffer as much as I do.
>>534115931the content is what youre doing right now (virtue signalling). the results in these polls are meaningless.
>>534115931Imagine getting baited this hard by a retarded distraction lmao
>>534115102it's legit just men vs. womenmen = redwomen = blue (muh feels)
>reds reveal that they only value their own lives>no thought to anyone else in their lives who they care about who might press bluetruly a lonely existence. no wonder they press red.
>>534115102Do I get to see the stats at the point I'm voting? Won't change my choice, but I'd certainly get a chuckle from being the point that shifts it from 50.000_ to 49.999_.
>>534115102Would be funny if he followed this up with a youtube video of like 500 privately voting red or blue to get $1000. Would be a boring video with everyone voting red though.
>>534116250Low IQ post. In an airplane emergency, you ALWAYS secure your face mask before assisting anyone else.
The fact that people even think of pressing red pretty much proves that it's over for society as a whole. When i read the question i didn't really understand it, if the majority presses blue no one dies no matter what, so why would anyone press red?Imagine going to a tribe where all the people rely on each other and asking them this question, it would seem ridiculous to not press blue.I guess it's a symptom of a low trust society and that the jews won.The only reason to not press it is cause this includes every person in the world with lower iq people and shitholes. Still most people think of their community/country when thinking of this question not the world as a whole.I'm not sure if blue would win in a real scenario but i'd still press it and hope for a peaceful death and escape from samsara
>>534115470Why can't this demon make a genuine smile?
>>534116596If you press red you get $1000 for sure.If you press blue you only get $1000 if >50% of participants also press blue.You just know what the result would be.
>>534115102Another win for NEH.
>>534115931>fellow humansDon’t say those words ever again.
>>534116661>Low IQ post.low IQ is associated with low trust.high IQ knows that blue requires fewer participants than red to save more lives.>durrr airplane
>>534116679AI says to press red as the best option for everyone you are brown
>>534116679It’s ridiculous that you retards think choosing blue is better for society. It’s not beneficial to society to engage in a suicide pact that depends on the most retarded members of your community to make the right choices. The answer is simple. You tell everyone to press red. Those who don’t are effectively killing themselves.
OMG! has no one watched the avengers movie? According to the villain most people that exist are useless eaters that deserve to be culled in order to save the universe.
I propose that a significant portion of the voters just don't have great reading comprehension and didn't fully understand which the buttons do
>>534115102you're all fucking retarded for falling for this stupid shit sega
>>534115931>Kind of a shit virtue signal if no-one can tell which way you voted.Are you alive afterwards? You pressed red.
>>534116868You don’t seem to understand what a high trust society is. A high trust society is one where all individuals behave up to a standard, not the society as a whole. This is why 10% niggers are capable of completely destroying a high trust society. A nation is always an aggregate of its individuals. Thus, the nation reflects the general disposition of the individual. A nation that sacrifices for the safety of the bottom half of the bell curve will stagnate and die.
blue button-pushers: >"Let's work together" >Is not ashamed of his choice to push the blue button >Is able to establish productive partnerships because he trusts his fellow man >Emotional core: Hope >Tolerates risk when there is benefit to himself or others - the ideal entrepreneur >"I don't want them to suffer like I did." >Is defeated when deceived into trusting a Red and inevitably betrayed >Cannot be oppressed because he is willing to put his life in the hands of fellow resistance members >Tries to cultivate fellow Blues to create a community of interdependence >Willing to risk his own life for the right cause red button-pushers: >"Fuck you, I got mine" >Brags about how pushing the red button makes him clever when anonymous; pretends to be a Blue in every other context >Does the bare minimum to absorb resources he didn't earn >Emotional core: Contempt >Pathologically risk-averse, could never take a chance on a opportunity no matter how lucrative >"I suffered so why shouldn't they?" >Is defeated when Blues identify him and exclude him from the fruits of their collaborative labors >Easy to enslave, his paranoia and selfishness prevent him from ever joining or organizing a revolt >Tries to poison others into becoming Reds purely out of spite; knows this will eradicate the structures he depends on to survive; can't help himself >Thinks any group engaged in a mission with a non-zero chance of death is a "suicide pact"
>>534115102The question is an allegory for being progressive liberal or not
>>534115102Most people aren;t loner chuds.
>>534116928>ai sayslol, dont have to add anything else>>534116932if a majority presses red theres a 100% chance a lot of people dieif a majority presses blue theres a 100% chance no one diesHow can people not understand this?
>>534115102because you want others to survive also? not everybody is a selfish fuck
>>534115102Because they think it makes them a better person to press the blue button. It's a show and tell game.
>>534117084ah, misplaced superiority.more "fuck you, got mine, anyone who doesn't think the same deserves to die"you're as hateful as the niggers you hate.
>>534115102Here is the exact same scenario The red button is labelled CANCEL and by pressing it you opt out of the game.The blue button is labelled PLAY and by selecting it you volunteer to kill yourself if not enough players.Now which do you select
>>534115102>MrBeastoh that explains everything fucking psyop glowie bullshit
>>534117237Why are you trusting the majority to correctly press blue? Why not instead tell the majority to press red? If you assume everyone will follow instructions, no one dies if everyone presses red. If you assume not everyone will follow instructions, a large chunk of people will die if they are told to press blue. The risk of pressing red is much less than the risk of pressing blue. Humans are inherently risk adverse when the risk is death. It makes more sense to err on the side of caution and minimize the risk. Instruct everyone to press red. People who press blue are effectively killing themselves. This is the difference between idealistic decisions and pragmatic decisions. Nations don’t survive on idealism.
>>534117274>misplaced superiorityNo it’s simply common sense. Risk is lower if everyone presses red. This is an IQ test and you failed.
>>534115102Stop sliding the board, nigger
>>534117507like i said, you think that only people who think similarly to you in this scenario deserve to die."common sense" is also considering those around you, your family, friends, and neighbors.but you seem incapable. "too bad for them, i'm alive"niggerish.
>>534117507>This is an IQ test and you failed.most do by merely participating. the only true answer is to walk away, but ego and pride trap people into making the decision. it truly was a test, most failed.
>>534117310If you frame it like this 99% of people would press CANCEL.Blue vs red tribalism works like magic in the goyim.Blue vs red always will get 50% vs 50% votes roughly
Africa, India and china will mostly decide the vote anyway so I'm picking red. I'm not high trusting anyone but my immediate family, I don't know the rest of the world. If you choose suicide so be it I'm not responsible for your well being
>>534117646Wrong. I clearly said everyone must be instructed to press red. That’s not selfish. You’re just too low IQ to understand risk assessment. >>534117671But you’d die if blue doesn’t win.
>>534117310I think I'm cancelling. I don't want to play this crazy coin flip game where you can die just because it's popular.I got plenty of good games I can play on Steam.
>>534117473If we have time to instruct everyone then the thought experiment doesn't matter since we can all come to an agreement together, but even like that some mentally disabled/kids might choose red so its better for all to agree on blue.In a scenario where the choice is sudden blue is always gonna make more sense. Imagine you got this game but its only your family involved with no time to talk. Do you think they will press red?
>>534117714if you dont play you always win
red pressers are illogical. their malformed frontal lobes are clouding their judgement
>>534117814>Do you think they will press red?Yes because they aren't retarded
>YOU HAVE TO VOTE BLUE OR IM GONNA DIEEE-not my problem
>>534117835i have yet to see a blue argument that doesnt involve an insult or emotional appeal
>>534117777how?, not participating means that I don't have to abide by the rules. There are no penalties for not playing.
>>534117814If you don’t have time to coordinate then you still should choose red, because then you’re PURELY relying on the risk assessment of each individual. Humans are inherently risk adverse when it comes to death. The only people who won’t press the red button are altruistics and people who don’t understand the question. Only a small portion of the world is altruistic. I simply don’t want to trust my life to the collective of humanity.
interesting button color choicein reality democrats/left/progressives are the red buttion and the right wing are the blue button
>>534117814>B-BUT RETARDED CHILDREN! BUT YOUR GRANDMA!!Notmy problem.
>>534117971yeah true miggers did vote to get into the box for israel
>>534117887Rofl. This shit actually kinda blackpilled me how dumb and selfish people are, while thinking they're smart too.
>>534117936If that’s the case then it’s fine. But the wording of the question doesn’t imply as such.
NO WHERE DOES IT SAY YOU WILL DIE IF YOU DONT PARTICIPATE ONLY PARTICIPATING PARTIES ARE AT DANGER
>>534117777
>>534115239> twitter survey, no like system> Virtue signalingPick one nigger
>>534118020sure is does, it assumes that you're going to participate
>>534118014You’re too low IQ to understand why you shouldn’t leave your life in the hands of the collective of humanity making the right decision independently of any organization.
>>534115102I've seen enough of humanity to know to push the red button. I don't trust 50% of people to do the "right" thing. Also, everyone can just push red. It's not like you have some obligation to take a gamble on pushing blue. If everyone pushes red, everyone lives. No risk.
>>534115102Women can't believe that there could be a safer bet than a 50% chance of saving everyone so they just stop reading
>>534115931>their fellow humansthere are an assload of people I do not want to be associated with, and where I'd be very severely insulted if you implied that they are my equal or I am in any way similar to them.each and every single one of those retards can decide by themselves if they want to live or die. if they press the certain death button, that is on them.>but blue won!yeah, in a hypothetical where no one had to face consequences. now run the same experiment again but it's a pop up when you log into your bank account and if you don't get 50% your balance gets deleted (or doubled if you're in the red).see how many people would press blue then.
>>534117700Another way to frame it is there is two choices:- Choose to go home to your family. - Choose to get into a submarine. If not enough people choose submarine then the hatch opens and you all die.>reee how dare you not get into the submarine!
>>534117777>I clearly said everyone must be instructed to press redit's a private vote, retard. you're not instructing anyone. get back to me when you can read.
>>534115102>>534115239>>534115242>>534116679>>534116928What happens to people who can't press buttons (like sick, elderly, infirm, or babies), if the red option wins?
>>534117903my argument is that people dont deserve to die for pressing a button and the satanist elites want to depopulate earth so out of spite i'd vote to save everyone and if you're a pro genocide person then there are much better criteria by which one should die than valuing life
>>534118135third option DONT PARTICIPATE, YOU LIVE
>>534118087>If everyone pushes red, everyone lives. No risk.That can't happen though. A lot of people can't pus the buttons at all and a lot of people will vote blue.
>>534118165Private vote as in you don’t know how others vote. Nothing says vote instructions can’t be given before hand. Regardless, red is the correct choice. Trusting your life to the mob has never been shown to be a good thing.
>>534115102>Why doesn't everyone just press the red button?Because there's nothing at stake by voting in a harmless meaningless poll that you would be pushing blueYou get the satisfaction of saying that you saved someone if you pushed blue, when all you did was creating the problem in the first place by pushing blue.tl;dr - anyone pushing blue is mentally retarded.
>>534115102Red cucks always lose. Why are these shit threads still allowed?
>>534118173nothing, if you dont play you automatically win
>>534118223Who can’t push the button?
>>534118173People who are physically or mentally unable to make the decision shouldn't be in the "game." But blue really really wants them to be.
>>534118214Sir, that is the first option (red).
>>534117714>Africa, India and china will mostly decide the vote anyway so I'm picking red.Only logical position but you won't see any normalfags talking about this, they just assume that everyone in the world is the same just fucking lol
>>534118087people who are beaten by the jewish system will want to die while feeling rightous for example you're sentencing to death many of fellow chuds who got fired for wrong-think
>>534118223It’s not anyone else’s fault that bluicidals press the wrong button. People kill themselves for stupid reasons every day and nobody comes knocking on your door to hold you responsible
>>534117310>Here is the exact same scenario>The red button is labelled CANCEL and by pressing it you opt out of the game.>The blue button is labelled PLAY and by selecting it you volunteer to kill yourself if not enough players.>Now which do you selectwhat happens if you don't press a button or can't press? Like children or unconcious or dementia.
>>534118307it isn't because i didn't press a button, checkmate xir
>>534115102I leave Earth.Thereby, no longer being bound to the further constraints.Sorry Earthlings.
>>534118251>>534118305Where do the rules say that?>>534118258like sick, elderly, infirm, or babies
>>534118187none of these factors are present in the scenario. if everyone pressed red, nobody is in danger. your reasoning for pressing blue is to be the super cool hero guy whos an epic savior. but it's just totally unnecessary gambling. the blue button is the pinnacle of virtue signaling. people choose to gamble with their own life, and are only safe if other people choose to gamble. they put themselves in the predicament where they need to rely on others. zero people die picking the red button.
>>534115102It’s not a joke, people are just retarded and would put themselves in danger for no reason at all just because blue creates a narrative based on cooperation. It’s perfect to feed their starved egos, even though it’s completely pointless since red is a safe path for everyone.
>>534115102It’s a Jew / CIA psyop No matter what they will always say the blue wins
>>534115102>I dont get it. Why doesn't everyone just press the red button?why does /pol/ consistently fail this hypothetical?>if you could rape and kill a baby without facing any consequences at all, would you?>/pol/:OMG YOU WOULD BE A FOOL NOT TO DO IT, THERE IS LITERALLY NO CONSEQUENCE AND YOU ARE SAYING YOU *WOULDN'T* DO IT?!?! MY LOGIC DICTATES THAT YOU MUST DO IT, THERE SIMPLY IS NO CHOICE HERE!
>>534118120>yeah, in a hypothetical where no one had to face consequences. now run the same experiment again but it's a pop up when you log into your bank account and if you don't get 50% your balance gets deleted (or doubled if you're in the red).Literally less than 5% would press blueIf anyone thinks otherwise they are delusional
>>534118386Babies can be made to press the button. So can everyone else. Regardless, red is still the correct choice. How do you know there is 50% of the population who is capable and willing to press blue?
>>534115102> some people are dumb> some people are nice and want to save the dumb people
>>534117903under a strict reading of mr beast's rules, people who can't push the button are not excluded from the game.They are only spared if blue wins.
>>534115102Bots are pressing the red button.
>>534118223>A lot of people can't pus the buttons at all It's a hypothetical, philosophical question. I don't think you're supposed to factor in real world logistics like poor people or people living in remote areas who wouldn't be able to get to a voting station. You're supposed to assume that everyone is simply lining up to vote and everyone gets a chance>and a lot of people will vote blue.Not my problem that some people are too stupid to understand the simple idea of "everyone can live with no risk if we all push red." You want to risk it all on a meaningless gamble? Go for it. But I'm not
>>534118386>rulesThe game makes an assumption that you're going to play, the assumption being I'm going to press one of the two buttons. I'm not gonna press any of the buttons. I win. anyone who participates risks losing
>>534115102Blue pushers have nothing to lose by claiming they'd chose blue and can feel like they're morally better than everyone else.
>>534118458>Babies can be made to press the button. So can everyone else. doesnt say someone else can vote for you.>Regardless, red is still the correct choice. How do you know there is 50% of the population who is capable and willing to press blue?Look at the polls in the OP and other polls
>>534116757Devoting your life to satan and money will never bring genuine happiness. They can only feel fleeting joy when they see others suffer, especially innocent people and children. In less than 10 years time, you will see mr demonbeast be charged for some kind of pedophilia or statuatory rape. You can just tell from his phenotype.
>>534118505That’s functionally identical to pressing red
>>534118505>The game makes an assumption that you're going to play, the assumption being I'm going to press one of the two buttons. I'm not gonna press any of the buttons. I win. anyone who participates risks losingNo, it doesn't.It says if less than 50% of people press the blue button, then only those who press the red button survive.
>>534115102I'm too low iq to understand this. Or the way he frames it is retarded.
>>534118584without assuming any of the risk, only victory
>>534115102Because theyre either stupid, suicidal, or act based on their emotions instead of thinking. Any democrat/liberal will press that button in a heartbeat unless someone walks them through the thinking process and even then its a toss up. I asked my mother this question and she pressed blue instantly and then when I explained it to her she changed her mind to red.
>>534118394>>534118329it's the same scenario as saving someone attempting suicide in normal society those people should be left alone but in this jewish society plenty of people who commit suicide are good men and womenlike for example that one girl who got euthanized in Spain lately
>>534118558>doesn’t say someone else can vote for you All the more reason to press red. You just increased the percentage of people who WONT press blue. This makes blue more risky. >look at the polls You’re actually a fucking idiot if you think polls are a reflection of how people actually would decide. Those polls are also of a subset of comfortable Americans, when the entire population includes the poor and undeveloped in Africa and Asia. You’re quite literally trusting your life to a bunch of Africans and Asians.
>>534118618participants will die. It doesn't say that people who do not participate will die.
>>534118505Then you choose the red button which is opt out of playing.The game is only activated if blue is selected and why you would never select blue no matter what retarded justifications of 'society trust'
i press both at the same time to see what happens
>>534118646What risk is there in red? You are guaranteed to live regardless of outcome so long as you press red
>>534115102He doesn't even mention if you can see what people picked. Mr. Beast is raw npc.
>>534118696im just...you know...not going to press a button...ok
>>534118683>Whichever you pressed 0.0001 seconds faster is what countsHave fun, bluefag
>>534118678No, the mr beast post doesnt use the word participants.
>>534116250>>534115931>>534116679>>534116868Why would anyone ever push blue in the first place such that this is even a moral dilemma at all?
>>534115931>fellow humansThere are less than 10% of white peoeon the worldIf this was done for real most white people will press blue and most non white will press redI take it then you want white people removed frm the planet
>>534115242first high IQ redfag ive seen in these threads
>>534118797>You should die with the 10% of people that push blueSounds like a bad idea.
>>534118624You are not retarded, its simply a retarded question.Red: everybody who pressed red live.Blue, Everybody lives but ONLY 50% of respondent pressed blue.In one case you have a 100% chance of survival and in the ohter its a conditional one. There is no logical reason for which you'd want to press blue unless it is for ''social'' reasons; you want to show others you care.
All the blue retards try to justify their retardation by creating straw men "b-but what if my child voted blue"why the fuck would anyone raise their kid to want to kill themselves? are you a democrat?Children can't consent, they can't vote.
>>534118665by that logic, if you are not dedicating your life right now, in real life, outside this scenario, to working in suicide prevention, you are complicit as we speak.
>>534118558https://x.com/davidshor/status/2048917664626569431even conservatives mostly choose the blue button.
>>534115102It's a virtue signaling excercise. The scenario says there is risk, but no real risk exists for responders so people vote blue to look virtuous. Introduce the risk into the structure of the poll for a fairer test. Charge blues money to cast a vote and only refund blues if blue wins and watch the poll change.It's really easy to front about being willing to risk your life for the greater good, but we all know blue voters are the same ones that set the economy on fire over their fear of a cold 5 years ago.
EZ. Just make me and my family press Red if I have to participate. Psyop the people I don't like into pressing blue button by massaging their ego and moralfag tendencies just to have a chance-at making em disappear./
>>534118558>Look at the polls in the OP and other pollsTwitter polls mean nothing for something like this because you have removed all of the risk and emotional weight from the decision. You're going to have a lot of people who vote blue on a twitter poll because they are comfortable playing in the world of hypotheticals and that "feels" like the good thing to do. But if this was real and those people had to actually push a real button where everything is actually on the line, a significant portion of those people are going to flip red. The fact that even these twitter polls are avout 50/50 tells me that in a real world scenario, the reds would actually win bigly
>>534118790>>534118790sure it does. It says anyone who presses the buttons will die. it omits (intentionally) what happens to non-button pressors to give a false dichotomy
All of these threads can be summed up as >Americans and other third worlderssmugly posting paragraphs after paragraphs about how they pick and how much smarter they are for doing so>Europeans, the other white people posting from abroad, and the last 4 white people left in Americacalmly informing their fellow man that they don't need to worry and that in the unlikely event of the choice in the OP, they got your back and will vote blue also
>>534116792No, you have to structure it as a loss. Blues pay 1k to cast a vote and get their money back only if blue wins.
>>5341151028.5M seems like a good sample size to extrapolate to the rest of the world's popululation. Redfags utterly BTFO yet again.
imagine knowing that you're safe in red territory, that's how good our lives are.
>>534119015>europeans are stupid enough to trust their fate to the world Incredibly insightful comment
>>534115102Because not everyone is a doomer pilled retard like you.
>>534116204On Twitter? Lol
>>534118757seems like i gambled and won according to the poll theni should buy a lottery ticket
>>534119061>240k votesBluefags confirmed illiterate
>>534119015Because white people are thick and think they are living in a just world and blacks and browns are no different
>>534118918>Charge blues money to cast a vote and only refund blues if blue wins and watch the poll change.KinoWatch blue go under 10% instantly
>>534115102Pushing the red button is the logical choice: it guarantees your survival.
>>534118173They die. The rules explicitly say that only the people who pressed the red button survive if the condition for Blue is not met. Not pressing either button means you didn't press red, you're dead if Blue doesn't win.
>>534115102Reds seething and coping about being evil and stupid
>>534118898that's a bit ovexaggerated but in general that's the reasoning behind christian values of donating to the poor, visiting prisoners, etc..do you ever share your money with beggars?
>>534117310The scenario is bullshit. Voting blue in a hypothetical has none of the risk of voting blue if this was real. Charge blues money to vote, refund only if blue wins. They all SAY theyd roll the dice on their life but most of them wont even risk $500
>>534119000>sure it does. It says anyone who presses the buttons will die. it omits (intentionally) what happens to non-button pressors to give a false dichotomyNo, it says "only people who pressed the red button survive".
>>534119081Yes. There is even a word for it. It's called the White Man's Burden. You're not expected to understand and I mostly made my post to discuss with my fellow white people. Please don't make any further replies to my comments, thank you
>>534118915That just confirms Xwitter is retarded.Red: opt out of playing Blue: agree to the terms and playA non-retarded way to create a moral dilemma is to change the probability distributions so that everyone on earth has been randomly assigned blue or red EXCEPT the last 100 people on earth. Now there is an actual problem.>rapidly select red 100x BILLIONS MUST DIE
>>534119197But it doesnt guarantee social self satisfaction over an imaginary scenario.Checkmate chud.
>>534115102>EVERYONE ON EARTH TAKES A PRIVATE VOTEWUT IF I ABSTAIN???>might as well pick redno i abstain
>>534119141Still won though. Cope and seethe
>>534119077when did alaska get so zogged?
>>534119243you're making the assumption that everyone will die. It doesn't say everyone on the earth will die who didn't press these buttons it doesn't mention what happens to non-button pressors intentionally.
>>534118618are you retardedif you're unable to press the button then everyone will wait until you push it or diethe first sentence says - everyone takes a vote, so until everyone has taken a vote the 'game' can not proceedsays nothing about any time limits
>>534115246Shut your fucking mouth! You don't like it? Then fuck off to Reddit.
Although I'm suicidal, if I press blue I'd be reducing the chances of other, less motivated suicidal persons being able to suicide.For that reason, I'll press red and then kill myself afterwards regardless of the outcome.
>>534115239This, somebody should do a real experiment with 666 people inside an building to be sure
>>534115102People who have the instinct to press the red button are less likely to pass on their jeans as they are less likely to be corporative with their tribe over time. And honestly the world is already shit enough. If it tips into majority red button pushers you can take me out of it.Its an interesting idea though. With the way our society has been going I wonderer if there is not a self destruct button built into societies that hit a certain point. If all the blue button people were lost at once society would be gone with them.
>>534119244The white mans burden shows that you should never trust niggers to press blue. But the white mans burden is a very American concept so I understand why you don’t understand it.
>>534119328 I will not vote ergo game does not proceed. ergo I win and save everyone one
>>534115102ALL HYPOTHETICALS ARE FOR FUCKING CHILDRENFUCK OFF
>>534119252>Red: opt out of playing>Blue: agree to the terms and playreds reveal more and more how isolated and self-centered they are. they have an opportunity to see everyone live and instead, they'll gamble that billions will die, possibly including their own family and friends (assuming they have any) and say "heh, not be problem"truly nihilistic and sociopathic.
>>534119324It does though. It absolutely tells you what happens to the non-pressors.> If less than 50% press blue, only the people who pressed the red button survive.Note that it does not say "the people who pressed the blue button all die", it says "anyone who didn't press the red button will not survive". Not pressing either button, for any reason, means you didn't press the red button and thus can only survive if Blue wins.This is basic logic, anon.
>>534115102I suppose they're to cowardly to die alone, so they secretly long for mass suicide.
>>534119282Yea because it’s a virtue signaling poll. You people are so retarded it’s hilarious.
>>534119454yeah but then you die and the game proceeds
>>534119328Doesn't say if it's immediately judged either.What if it depends on the running tally where 2 have already selected red so every blue vote is instant death.That's why Mr Beast is a retard and should stick to hanging out with tranny molesters
>>534119464hypotheticals and thinking in abstracts are something one learns as they become adults.
>>534119467>don't participate >game cant continue >everyone liveshuh it really is that easy
>>534118474yep that's bascially itgood luck living in a world that has all the emphatetic whites and christian-minded people dead
>>534119481This is what happened in 2021-2022
>>534119381Nah bro, don't kys. I love you :3I hope things work out for you and if it's your own lack of willpower that's holding you back (assuming you're not mentally or physically disabled), then you should remember this line: "Inner resistance is the surest guarantor of victory"
>>534119252No. You're just too low IQ to see the dilemma already introduced by the problem. Like it seemingly doesn't even register on your brain>>534119441It's not. It was created to try to make the already barely-white Americans understand their charge as half-whites, but the fact it had to be spelled out for them tells you that Amerimutts already barely understood it
>>534119530are you saying you don't press either button?
>>534115102>private vote>twatter pollat least 51% of the blue button pressers will press red when they can't virtue signal about it
>>534119061fucking KEK good OC. redjews BTFO eternally no wonder these threads keep hitting the bump limit
>>534119556>good luck living in a world that has all the emphatetic whites and christian-minded people deadGod I wishImagine EVROPA without retarded leftists and christ cucksWe'd be so back
>>534118475that just makes it clear cut that as a red button pusher you're living in hell even if you survive
>>534119474>everone on earth must vote>i refuse then wut? >>534119612yes
>>534119610>it’s not You people are so stupid. “White” as a concept originated in America. The white mans burden doesn’t have any context in European history because your lower class is also white. Your niggers are white. Your useless masses are white.
>>534119513yeah he is a retard so to be formalistic about his 'rules' is also retardedwe should heuristically assume everyone is able to and must push either button
>>534119474That changes the scenario quite a bit. Now every single baby and toddler that cant reach the buttons/understand the choice is at risk. Personal survival takes a back seat if my baby can't press a button and I would want blue to win.
>>534115102If this experiment were real, almost everyone would click red. Assuming that they understand what's really at stake. Red is essentially "nothing happens", whereas blue is "50/50 chance you die". Most people are generally quite unwilling to risk their lives. As an abstract thought experiment, the blue button does not represent the kind of existential threat as it would in real life.
>Mr.BeastI can't think of a more oxygen and environmental saving procedure then to remove him from minecraft..
>>534119715i refuse
>>534115102>>534115102this guy is a fucking idiot
>>534119061>>534119665And if this poll had consequences, it would be 98% red. You live in delusion. You cant emotionally handle the way the world is.
>>534119556What I feel like the psychopathic red pressors don't understand is that they are not 'opting out' of the game by pressing red, it is not the default choice. They are, by choice, endangering the lives of an untold number of people. This is in many ways a cousin to the trolley problem, which was never about maximizing lives saved and instead about the difference between taking an action that causes a loss of life vs allowing a loss of life to happen by inaction. The trolley problem is entirely about responsibility.The button question is as well. Look at all of the red pressors across these threads that have to jump through hoops to divorce themselves from the responsibility associated with their choice to press red for their own safety. They have to claim that the blue pressors "did it to themselves", despite the red pressors being the ones who picked the option that results in mass deaths and thus are to blame for the resulting harm.
>>534119730>Red is essentially "nothing happens"potentially millions to billions diedo you think "nothing happens"?and how old are you, just curious? I'm 38.
>>534118915Are 4chan users just unironic SMT chaosfags and specifically that of Yogusa from Nocturne.
>>534117828only true in extreme circumstances but yes
>>534118433>bluetard cannot stop thinking about infant rape
>>534115751>significantIt's a hypothetical poll on twitter. It isn't significant in the slightest. The "BE HONEST" dictate doesn't mean anyone will actually be honest - it's an opportunity to virtue signal with absolutely no consequences for picking the "morally righteous blue button".If it were an actual button with actual "you literally have a chance to fucking die if you push this button", the VAST MAJORITY of people would push red, and then go on a public campaign of hatred against all the "evil red pushers" for "killing all those poor innocent blue pushers", not realizing that by the simple fact that they're still alive, that means they pushed red.That's what would actually happen in a real life scenario. People are fucking hypocrites, especially online when no one punches them in the jaw for doing so. There's no significance to this poll whatsoever.
>>534119830>the way the world isyou're revealing how you perceive the world, not how it actually is.
>>534119706If we're being serious here, it was created in a colonial context, for a colonial context. It was never about domestic affairs. The concept of "white" also certainly wasn't a uniquely American one. We just said "Europeans" instead of white, but it's effectively the same thing. So no, White Man's Burden has very little to do with America in general
I see niggers on twitter talking about pressing blue to save coma patients and babies.who the fuck would be forcing babies to push any button in this scenario?
>>534119839>they are, by choice, endangering the lives of millions of blue pushersYou can keep saying this, and it will still never be true, because those millions of blue pushers were not themselves forced to push blue. They could have pushed red and been totally fine. It was THEIR choice to needlessly endanger THEMSELVES by pushing blue - their blood is on their own hands, not the red pushers. The reds had absolutely nothing to do with it.
SORRY IM JUST NOT GOING TO PRESS ANY OF THE BUTTONS
>>534119845>potentially millions to billions dieYup, and you'd still click the red button. Countless people are already starving to death, but you don't lose your sleep over them. You prioritize your own comfort over people's survival right now. If some alien overlord made this game reality, I doubt you'd suddenly become massively more altruistic than you are in you present life.
>>534119910Ya. And one of those perceptions is true. Mine. Because you'd have to be a malnourished child to think the average person cares more about the healthy of humanity than their own interests.
>>534119919>it was created for colonialism Wow great insight. So your nation has no bearing with the concept. You’re just hooking onto other Europeans to steal their valor.
>>534120029It says, "If more than 50 % of people press the blue button..." You choosing to not press any button is precisely the same as pressing the red button.
>>534116757He's retard who can't run, smiling uses muscles.
>>534115102Because their scared sheepy egregore is commanding them to conformit's a made up deity
>>534119719Exactly. We also don't know how long we have to make the choice and press the button. Imagine if you found out there was only a 2 hour window to press the button, and it happened when you were asleep and you became a non-button pressor entirely due to a lack of opportunity to participate at all. The vote also has to be private, so the people who can't make the decision by themselves cannot be helped by anyone else: if your baby can't press the button on their own, you can't help them do it or make the choice for them.So this is a scenario where if Blue does not win, all of the altruistic/empathetic adults die off, but also virtually all children. I'm not sure at what age they would start being able to reasonably understand the choice, but I think that even up to like age 10-12 the number of them that would press Red is very low. Either they can't/won't press a button at all, or if given the choice they will just press Blue because kids are simple and they'll just pick the option where no one gets hurt without ever considering the odds or risks involved.
>>534116679But red means everyone survives.You are retarded.
>>534119919It had more to do with Catholicism vs Protestantism. Thats why the Irish, Italians and Spanish were never considered "white". It was never just a synonym for European.
>>534120093its not, then why even have the red button if the red button is to opt out I'm just not gonna press any button sorry not sorry
>>534115102The whole scenario is a trick question. Two questions stacked carefully on top of each other so that either could be seen as correct. It's like an optical illusion where you see either one thing or another, depending on what corner you noticed first. The reader either interprets it as a simple test of their morality, or as a test of their ability to find an optimal deal. They feel free to pick either option because they know it's just a harmless hypothetical and don't read it as some absurd judgment on humanity as idiots like OP would do.
>>534119730It depends on the interpretation of the rules. If anyone incapable of pressing the button doesnt count or get affected, red. If babies, mine included, are in the group of 'didnt press red and will die unless blue wins' obviously I 'risk' blue to protect my baby. But if thats the case, every parent can be counted on to press blue for the same reaspon and so blue is no longer a risk, so only spitefull retards are pressing red.But the latter interpetation of the rules isn't interesting because then most blues arent motivated by 'save retards voting blue out of a sense of civic duty' , they're motivated by 'risk my life to save my own baby' , which is ENTIRELY in line with the personal survival thinking of people who vote red in the former interpretation. Because if you vote red to insire my survival and then blue loses, you just contributed to killing your baby and will/should kill yourself anyway despite red 'victory'.
>>534120018Thanks for being a living example of my point. You NEED the responsibility for your actions to be on someone else.
>>534117237Who cares if people die? How do i benefit from retards living?
>>534120175For the thought experiment to make sense, I interpret it as "all rational people" instead of "litearlly all people". Also, there shouldn't be any option to cooperate with others.
>>534120215Because it’s a stupid hypothetical where red is objectively superior but people get it wrong anyways
https://poal.me/mu7mc7>>534119839>you have to press the start button after exiting the wood chipperNot my problem*click*
>>534119845blue pushers are just irrationalthere's no upside to pick bluejust unnecessary risk for yourself onlywell you could say I'm pushing blue to save all the retards who push blue because they're super dumbbut are you doing the world any favor really?
>>534120055What? So first of all, you concede it has very little to do with America, then?>You’re just hooking onto other Europeans to steal their valorI am not proud of it, but Denmark engaged in colonialism too. How do you not know this with how much Little St James and Greenland has been in the news recently?
>>534118346Why am I responsible for those people? I wouldn't expect them to be responsible for me. In fact, the person responsible for any of this is the one who kills the people pressing blue. Why isn't that person held accountable?
>>534120329You yourself concluded that it has everything to do with America, a colonial nation.
>>534120259Sure, if you include irrational actors like children, then blue is really the only option for most people. But in that case, the thought experiment is not very interesting.
>>534120036>>534120048>countless people are already starving to death but you don't lose sleep over itI work as a volunteer multiple times a month to help strangers in my community get healthy food, clean clothes, and warm showers. I can't save every starving person, but I can save some of them.Your perceptions of me and the world are more accurately projections. If you want to live in a high-trust society then you'll have to help create it.>>534120306again, you're only thinking of yourself. red pushers are okay living in that kind of world because it's already how they perceive it. you're creating your own hell by not participating. Inaction IS action.
>>534120285peoples egos and pride force them into injecting themselves into the scenario, in reality you can always opt out and walk away, its a dichotomy trap
>>534120175This is such an insane stretch of the original premise literally just inventing problems that dont exist>B-but what if the plane pilot is a blue button presser and everyone on the plane dies :((not part of the prompt
Which button lets me shoot all the browns into space?
>>534120263His action was to press red. Therefore not putting his life in danger. You CHOSE to put your life in danger. Not him. Lol youre the one terrified of responsibility. You cant protect yourself, you need to whole of humanity to come together to protect youYou live in a fucking Disney movie, not the real world, you pathetic fucking worm.
>>534120215It's there to make it clear that you can't opt out. You have two options, and that's it. It's not an interesting game if you allow people to opt. It'd be like playing Tetris and pretending you've won by pressing pause.
>>534120215Because you just figured it out>SELECTING RED OPTS OUT OF THE GAME If nobody plays this dumb game by pressing blue, then nothing happens. An action will only happen when blue is selected otherwise nothing happens
>>534117167Dumb reddit-tier take. Your 110 IQ is a problem.Everything works when you assume the people around you are self-interested and logical operators.Everyone, EVERYONE should choose the color that offers a 0% chance of them dying. There's no excuse not to do it.It actually shows a very deep misunderstanding of how things work - a naive idealism - If you pick the blue button.Society only works when everyone is acting in their own best interest. This is why leftists shouldn't be allowed to vote. Leftism is a legitimate mental illness that corrupts everything it touches.
>>534120018Under the rules in this OP, if you read carefully, not pressing any button is the same as pressing blue but not contributing to the blue tally. Which means every baby and incapable elder is in a 'will die unless blue wins'. Every parent with an infant will hit blue, so will anyone with an incapable parent, and so will any parent of a child that is too small to be trusted to hit red. Thats most people, so blue is safe.
>>534120403Do you think red button pressors are all lonely incels? I do. Since you don't know what anyone else voted, when you press the red button you are saying that any of your friends or family who pressed Blue are going to die. People who have loved ones they don't want to see die are incentivized to press blue to save those people too, instead of just themselves.But red button pressors only care about themselves. They don't think about their friends or loved ones at all. They have no meaningful relationships worth protecting.
>>534120445>I work as a volunteer multiple times a month to help strangers iWhy not all day every day? How do you have time to even talk to me when people are dying right this moment? You could be working to help them.
>>534120389America isn't really a traditional "European-style" colony in that 1. it was already entirely conquered and 2. there were barely any natives, and the ones that were there, were some of the least civilised in the entire world. I am simply saying that you are factually wrong when you say that "the white mans burden is a very American concept" lol
>>534115931>their fellow humans.There is no "fellow humans", no "humanity" there is only ancestors,(the individual), families, ethnicities, nations and races you universalist subversive kike. Go back to the shadows from once you came!
>>534118665I csnt believe you are complicit in that girl's suicide! Fuck dude, it's your fault she died.
>>534120547>blue is safe You don’t understand how dumb people are in Africa and Asia. Blue is suicide.
>>534120511Checked but surely you realize the alternative argument. It only takes 50% of people opting into blue for nothing to happen, while it takes 100% of people independently coming to the conclusion of red keeping them safe in order for nothing to happen.
White people literally have suicidal empathy. Elon tweets about it a lot. White people would rather die than survive on red and feel le bad about the deaths
>>534120563>moving the goalpost>throwing the baby out with the bathwateri do more to help make the world a better place than you and that pisses you off for some reason. reds like to see people suffer, i guess.
>>534120572>America isn’t really a European style colony Incorrect. You’re not even one of the colonial European nations why the fuck are you even talking?
>>534120456Not explicitly, no, but you'd be stupid not to consider the secondary consequences of such mass deaths. If the pilot of a plane dies for pressing blue, what do YOU think happens to everyone on the plane? Nothing good, certainly. In the event of a global mass culling of everyone who pressed the blue buttons, its unthinkable that there wouldn't be at least a temporary breakdown of society. A lot of people who pressed red to save themselves will still die in the chaotic aftermath. Its unthinkable that this wouldn't be the case.
>>534120263I'm making the exact same argument in reverse, actually: the blues NEED everyone else to push blue or else they die, so they're engaging in a bunch of shaming language and guilt tactics to justify their own foolish decision of picking blue when they could have just picked red and been totally fine.It's disgustingly hypocritical. If you actually had that self-sacrifice as an honestly held personal virtue, you would be fine with dying and wouldn't be trying to guilt everyone else into also picking blue. Blues are upset because they picked the retarded suicide option because it "looked" like the morally correct decision and then it turns out it was actually retarded and all the reds are mocking them for being suicidal and illogical.
>>534115102Critical thinking is in short supply
>>534115102Probably the same reason a lot of people still believe in religions
>>534120553No, I don't. I think people interpret the game to be such that there's an interesting dilemma. I could present you the train track problem with two random people on one track, and your daughter on the other. Which way would you steer the train? Is anyone choosing to kill one person instead of two a lonely incel, or is it simply silly to reinterpret the problem this way?
>>534120511its a dichotomy trap
>>534120093No. Read, the question is different from the original . If blue fails to secure a majority, anyone not pressing red dies. Not 'anybody pressing blue' dies, anybody not pressing red. Not pressing a button is even dumber in this scenario than pressing blue in the original . If you press nothing, you're essentially pressing blue but not even offsetting that risk with adding a vote to the blue total.
>>534120654Go donate your organs right now, and I'll believe you.
>>534119224Didn't Jesus say that there's always gonna be poor? Meaning that destroying yourself over someone else is fucking stupid? Pic related, you right now.
>>534120445Lol you dont create a high trust society by being delusionalInfact, I trust you less because of this. I dont give a single fuck that you go to soup kitchens faggot. This isnt a moral question. Its a logical one. No one, in reql life, WOULD EVER PICK BLUE. You just insist on playing pretend. But more over, let's talk about your morality. Why should you do a single thing for someone that doesnt benefit you? You think you'll get an award for it?
>>534115928ur exactly right. the suicidal empathy race, aka whites, would be the only ones who press blue.
>>534118681no that's not the case when percentage matters instead of sumby pushing red you're actively making it harder for blue pushers to survive
People who use the term "Virtue Signalling" seem to be baffled that people can sincerely have virtue instead of needing an extrinsic force to make them have pro-social values. For all of their crusader larping /pol/tards are all satanists in the end. Hell that is probably why the devil wears golden and light.
>>534120654Do you think this will grant you some kind of prize? LolWhy waste your time moron?
>>534120754
>>534115102I misread the question and pressed blue when I would have normally pressed red. So, I appreciate any blue pressers for saving my ass.
>>534120731Yeah, you're right.
>>534120445>again, you're only thinking of yourself. red pushers are okay living in that kind of world because it's already how they perceive it. you're creating your own hell by not participating. Inaction IS action.you're buzzing with no meaningyes I am an individualist fundamentally, but I do think of othersI think how great it would be if we get rid of retarded peoplejust imagine all the human suffering that could be avoided if we fixed not only overpopulation but also improve average planetary iqand I trust my fellow rational people to press that red alongside me and create a brighter future for allas you can see red is also an ethically correct decisionboth from deonthological and utilitalist perspective actually
>>534120829There’s no virtue in suicide
>>534120029>SORRY IM JUST NOT GOING TO PRESS ANY OF THE BUTTONS
>>534120677Given that Blue keeps winning the polls, was picking Blue actually retarded? Seems like it was the rational choice all along.
>>534119417>people who want to live are less likely to want to make a childAnd how do you arrive at that conclusion, oh great Leaper of Logic?
>>534120670Damn you're right, society would suck if blue bros died, im changing my vote right now!>presses blue>dies because the third world voted red
>>534120500no its like never playing tetris and going about your life saying i never lost a game of tetris
>>534115102Someone summed it up best as>I've decided to willingly put this gun to my head and i'll die if less than half the people in this room choose to put a gun to their heads too.The red button can be removed entirely. You can rephrase the scenario as>There is a button. The people who press it will die if less than half the world population chooses to press the button.Now it sounds completely absurd to push the button, but it's the exact same scenario as before, but you just don't push the button instead of pushing a different button.The only argument I can really come up with in favor of pressing the button is>there are a lot of dumb people who will push the button and I'm not willing to let them die so even though it's a stupid thing to do, I hope we all push the buttonI mean... I wouldn't do it, but I can at least see how a more altruistic person might think that way.
>>534120829If this poll had actual consequences the same people virtue signaling would be the first ones slamming the red button. People can have serious altruistic feelings. They are few and far between. Youre a degenerate teenager that is just afraid of confrontation
>"push red to not die">pushes blue to own the chuds
>>534116868But everyone that pushed red survives, cope faggot.
>>534120891People who think this are exposing themselves as low IQ retards. There’s no stake in an internet poll.
>>534119208If everyone presses red then everyone lives. It's the only scenario where everyone lives. The people who press blue are literally evil. They're selecting the possibility of billions of deaths so that they can claim some kind of moral superiority and gain social currency over all the people they "saved."
>>534119467Sounds like you're just oversocialized.
>>534120272It's a nobrainer to vote blue if non-pressers are at risk, especially if one of them is your baby, and a nobrainer to vote red if non-pressers are not at risk.Only retards find either choice hard. If my baby is assumed to be at risk unless blue wins, blue to maximise the chances of my baby's survival. If my baby is uninvolved as a non-presser, red to guarantee my own survival for the sake of my baby's survival
>>534120547If people incapable of making a choice are included, the blame still doesn't fall on reds, it falls on whatever force or power is setting up the dilemma in the first place. You could say "invalids are just assumed to push blue", but I could say invalids are assumed to push red. The way I read the prompt, not pushing a button is equivalent to pushing red, since only people who ACTIVELY CHOSE BLUE are at risk of death.You aren't saving anyone by pushing blue, not even children or elderly or coma patients. Anyone capable of understanding the prompt and still picking blue dug their own grave, and if they're not capable of understanding the prompt and chose blue arbitrarily, its whatever force of nature setting the prompt that killed them. Reds are simply not morally culpable in this no matter how you wanna slice it.
>>534120891If the poll actually had consequences the majority would choose red.
>>534120655>IncorrectPlease, tell me how America in the late 1800s in any way resembled an European colony lmao>You’re not even one of the colonial European nations why the fuck are you even talkingA fucking African could be educating you on this and it still wouldn't change that you're wrong and his right. Also, again, we're obviously lacking far behind many other European countries, but we definitely engaged in it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_former_European_colonies
>>534120640Make a physical game to see how red is opting out of playing entirely Red you just go home and don't play.Blue you agree to play and tie yourself to railroad tracks.If not enough players choose to tie themselves to tracks you get run over by a train.
>>534120935>>534120885Fine then, stop with the christfag larp and become neopagans already. I am sick of the hypocrisy more than anything myself.
>>534120956Precisely. That's why people interpret it as including only rational actors. No-brainers are not interesting.
>>534120886>press red button, you don't die>press blue button - introduce risk of dying and you require the help of others in order to stop you from dying out of your own retardationthis is why we can't go to the moon anymore.>b-but I need to save the trillions of africans
Logic vs Empathy judgement.It's set up to force this kind of judgement and people choose emotions / empathy instead of logically analyzing it, it has nothing to do with them actually thinking one is better.Basically you're asking why .1mm of extra jaw is the difference between chad or ick, it's an emotional and instinct reaction - they see they're being asked an empathy question and they answer YES EMPATHY without realizing the logical contradictions inside said empathy.That's it, no need to over-analyze forever, when people are handed empathy questions they just say YES EMPATHY immediately without thinking. They never make it far enough to question if this is actually the empathetic or intelligent thing to do, and yes this extends to politics and society.
>>534120966>America isn’t a European colonial nation Wrong. >nooo we have colonies! Ok name them. None of your colonies grew into nations lmao. You’re quite literally trying to steal my culture.
>>534121010I am not Christian I’m a chad hermeticist
>>534120891Your weird assumption that the most popular thing is the most rational/sensible thing to do is completely unfounded and retarded.
>>534120956and half of xitter retards still voted redwhich means like 10x less would vote blue irl when they cant virtue signal it just goes to show what a satanic shithole xitter is behind all their facade of social justice and LGVTHIQW shit thank you mr beast for exposing them
>>534121041it's funny because all the africans would press red
>>534120891Argumentum ad populum is a logical fallacy for a reason, my retarded friend. Even if 99% of people chose blue, that does not in any way imply that this was the correct, logical decision.It's an internet poll with absolutely no stakes or consequences. That's why we keep pointing out that its virtue signalling. If it were an actual, real life scenario, most of those blues would DESTROY the red button, they slammed it so hard.
>>534121160>implying they can read
THERE'S NO REASON FOR ANYONE TO PUSH BLUE IN THE FIRST PLACE YOU VIRTUE SIGNALING RETARDS
>>534120948>its the only scenario where everyone livesDude are you baiting? 50% being blue saves everyone
>>534115102There's basically the low-IQ blue button pushing move where people push it because they misunderstood the question. Then there's the high-IQ blue button pushing movie, where you reason: There is literally no downside for everyone just pushing the red button. However, some people are not going to recognize this, and push the blue button by mistake. The elderly and infirm, the stupid. Children will likely be confused by the question, too. So while literally everyone will survive if they just think about it a little bit and push the red button (again, zero downsides) some people will inevitably be confused by it, and we can save them all if we all just push the blue button. It's basically saying that these people don't deserve to suffer the consequences of their own stupidity. And yeah, while I can see that in a lot of cases people should be left to suffer the consequences of their stupidity, that's going to be a lot of dead, innocent children, too. My first impulse is to push the red button; after some consideration, I'd push the blue.
>>534120175>I'm gonna make up a premise that was never originally asked and extrapolate it so it makes my decision the correct one. Lol. Now, THIS is mental gymnastics! I'm still gonna press red.
>>534120691Dont interpret, read. The original says 'anyone who pressed blue dies unless', this one says 'anyone who didn't press red dies unless'. This puts non-pressers like babies in entirely different situations here Both scenarios are no-brainers. The first is "take a substantial risk on your life for suicidal retards, knowing many people wont, or not" and the other is "take a much smaller risk on your life to protect your baby knowing most others will do the same, or not"
>>534121010We dont live in a Christian nation. Fags like you got rid of it. Dont beg for it now. Its pathetic. You wanted a religion free world. No fucking problem.
>>534115102Mr Beast has the capability of making the world retard and giving him money.The left should hire him, they already did part 1.
>>534121088>Wrong.I asked you to explain how it resembles the European colonies of the late 1800s as you purport it does. Come on. Speak up lol. Do teachers in America never tell you guys when you're wrong? Is that why Americans seemingly never develop the epistemological humility of Europeans? You're probably going to go all the way to bump limit screeching, never explaining anything, but still insisting on having the last post lmao >Ok name them.It's literally the first few lines of the wiki above
>>534120263You chose to press blue. You can't get mad if someone chooses to push red. I don't think you know what responsibility is.
>>534121326There is no risk in red You live regardless of the outcome
>HEY ANON PRESS THESE BUTTONS>no>BUT THATS NOT AN OPTION YOU MUST PICK ONE>no>YOU MUST YOU MUST....WELL ACTUALLY YOU MEAN TO PRESS THE RED ONE>no, im not pressing any button its that simple
>>534118624The two options re>don't kill yourself>kill yourself unless over 50% also choose kill yourself in which case nothing happensMost people seem to believe that the "kill yourself" option is somehow the morally correct choice.Those people are suicidally retarded.
>>534115102because red republican and blue democrat.this is literally how liberals think
>>534121098cool>>534121333>>534120860not cool, it seems like you're just religious for the sake of vibes and not for actual practice. This is why you fags go on and on about "virtue signalling" because that is something that rightiods fucking do all the damn time. It seems to me that the only sincere people are actually leftoids and maybe a few outright chaospilled NrX fags
>>534121413The nigger cannot understand the hypothetical Many such cases
>>534121383I don’t care to answer your reframed question. Anyone insisting America isn’t a colonial nation is retarded. The concept of the white mans burden belongs to us and the brits. No one else, and especially not an irrelevant nation like yours. France would have a claim but they didn’t think it was a burden when they fucked all of the niggers.
>>534120221>The reader either interprets it as a simple test of their morality, or as a test of their ability to find an optimal dealIt's this, yup. Logic vs Empathy and everything else doesn't matter, it's just seeing if people are reacting with logic or empathy to a specific question - and most people react with empathy (emotion) the vast majority of the time to any question at all. Logic is used by like maybe 10% of the population at any given time.
This is probably just mass ragebaitingI need to ask my girl what she would pick because if she says blue then it's just retarded women failing to understand the question. They do fail pic related.
>>534121295Would be interesting if you added an additional moral layer to pushing blue, like the trolley problem - "If 51% push blue, everyone lives, except Indians who all perish horribly". You know, add some spice to the "obvious virtue signalling moral option".
>>534115102because everyone would survive! that's why press the blue button, so everyone survives!(Even though if just one person presses the red button everyone but them dies.) -"liberal/kumbaya" "logic"
>>534121225they changed the scenario, because they knew they were wrong and admitted they were wrong, and that red pushers were right, and they lost, to a new scenario to reframe it so that pressing blue is correct, because people who didn't select either button also die.basically red pushers won and blue pushers admitted it and we're just on the goalpost moving cope stage now.
>>534121326Come to think of it, the version that puts non-pressers at a risk is not actually trivial. Because it's entirely possible that a significant portion of the population would be non-pressers, and therefore it'd be extremely unlikely for blue to secure the majority. Suppose you have two children, one is 10 and the other is 5. One is smart and clicks the red button, and the other is dumb and goes play with legos. Which one do you click? Do you pick almost certain death with blue to save your entire family, or do you choose to live for just one of your children?
>>534121295What if I told you the game was a lever model where at anytime the lever is unbalanced to red then all blue players die? The first 2 players are standing in the red line at a cliff. Anyone who chooses blue jumps off the cliff immediately.The rules as stated allow for this so you never end up saving anyone
>>534121448So your justification for morality is my religion?The same religion you dont want to be the standard morality for the nation? Im just trying to wrap my head around how ridiculous your position is. I am simply acting the way our state religion, liberalism demands. To look out for my own interests.
>>534119610>Bro you just can't see the dilemmaThere is no dilemma if you're high IQ because you just say>There are billions of people on earth>I won't change the odds>Red buttonThey have to reword it for high IQ people because otherwise it's the same as voting, it doesn't matter so therefore don't die doing it because you won't change anything.
>>534121501How hot is the water?
>>534121063stop lying, you sneaky pedophile jew. blue is unquestionably both the logical and ethical answer. see >>534117835 reds don't have a single argument to save face. most normies live by the golden rule so it's self evident to push red, but it's not if you're a talmudic reptilian like the vocal minority on /pol/ obviously pretends to be
>>534121584Adding children to it makes it a pretty grim question. You’re quite literally entrusting the survival of your children to the unwashed masses of Africa and Asia to understand the question correctly.
>>534121487>>534120221so you're saying most people are retarded?and here I though most people were retarded
>>534121471>I don’t care to answer your reframed questionIt's not a reframed question. The "White Man's Burden" was written by an Englishman, for Americans, FOR the context of America's involvement with an actual, "non-domestic colony" (the Philippines). At this point in time, America was no longer a colony but just another European nation with some few exceptions. You're just genuinely screeching because you realise you worked yourself into a corner and are too egoistical to just admit it and end the discussion lmao
>>534121661Notice how people who overly use jew as an insult are entrusting their lives to the decisions of niggers. Low IQ antisemitism on full display.
>>534121467not going to press any button, i refuse to participate in even a hypothetical. just not pressing any button, hypothetically. nice try with the shaming tactic tho, you're a niggerminded faggot 4sure
>>534121736>by Englishmen for Americans Correct. It’s our concept, not yours. That’s why you’re running in circles desperately trying to cleave the phrase away from America so you can lay claim to it. You Europeans are genuinely pathetic.
>>534115102Why are jews spamming this "blue vs red" button all over this site? for what purpose?I refuse to believe that this site is now infested with this many zoomers/newfags that they just spam about the latest forced popular algorithm shit.
>>534120960If I reframe the scenario as a big rock is hurtling towards the earth and we neeat leatt half of everyone to contribute to a deflection effort, does thay change it for you? Youre trying to add a moral actor where there isnt one to deflect from your own choices.
>>534120860Exactly. I've noticed that people who makes claims that they know what Jesus said and what it meant often times don't know anything and haven't read the Bible.
>>534121661Your high school meme squares aren't relevant and I'm not reading them, the simple logical thing>There are billions of people on the earth>I cannot change how they vote and I'm only one of them, so the odds are one in a few billion that I change the outcome of this>Therefore I'm just gonna keep myself safeThat's it, you emotionally react and make judgements based on how the world works, that's all emotion. I choose not to die because I'm not suicidal.>Sneaky pedo jewAnti-cunny are blue pushers confirmed, anime website.>>534121690>So what you're saying is most people are retarded?Yes. The vast majority of people, even /pol/ posters, completely retarded. They unironically WOULD vote to kill themselves to change a number that measured in the billions by one, they do this every election.And the trick is they don't think about it, they emotionally react.
>>534118870Kill yourself
>>534121855if u don't reframe the scenario, and it was the original scenario, there's no reason to press the blue buttonwhich is why you all reframed it after u discovered this fact.u lost
>>534121839>Correct. It’s our concept, not yoursAn Englishman attempting to educate mutt golem brutes on a matter innately understood by pure white Europeans doesn't make this concept American
>>534121855how is it the red people survive the asteroid impact?And why wouldn't the rest of the people just do that?
>>534121855sorry im just going to leave earth by myself, nmp. still not pressing any buttons
>>534120891>hehe, I'll appeal to the crowd! The crowd is never wrong and is always right because it's the crowd!Haha, yeah. You keep doing that.
>>534121975Notice how desperate you are to deny any culture to America. This is why you simply don’t recognize the irony of you insisting you’re culturally superior, while trying to steal our concepts.
SORRY KIKES IM NOT PRESSING ANY OF THE BUTTONS SORRY NOT SORRY
>>534121408In this wording of the problem, everyone not capable of pressing the button is at risk unless blue wins. Personal survival isnt always the goal, because babies exist and every parent and grandparent of an infant will vote blue. This also makes blue a much safer vote in geneneral than the other scenario where non-pressers survive.
>>534120619This, that sick fuck didn't press the "I will suicide if you do" button so now he caused this, what a fucking sicko!QUICK, I put the cure to our deadly disease in my balls but it will poison me over time, for us both to live we have to have sex! It would be immoral not to!
>>534121010You keep invoking Christ's name and yet do not understand anything from his teachings. You're the Christian larper.. go read the Bible instead of having it be told to you. Granted, you'll probably not understand it at all, considering you don't understand Christ now.
>>534121542They changed the original? Ok, then yeah, that's suddenly a non-trivial decision. I still think I'd push red even if non-pushers are assumed blue, because I don't know anyone incapable of understanding the prompt, but if I had children or a relative in a coma or something, I'd likely change my answer because it would no longer be just myself to concern me.That said, that's still not an interesting dilemma. It's basically just "do you know or care about any children or retards you might want to risk your life to save?" You've taken the obviously logical red choice and now made the actual obvious logical choice to be blue.A proper moral dilemma includes direct consequences for both options, like the trolley problem. Say, something like "push blue and save all the invalids, BUT also kill off every Indian in the entire world." There would be actual weight to that then, apart from just personal motivation to save yourself and any invalid loved ones.
>>534122049>This is why you simply don’t recognize the irony of you insisting you’re culturally superior, while trying to steal our conceptsAgain, how is it your concept? An ENGLISHman literally had to educate you on it lmao
>>534118433You’re what happens when stupid people try to be clever
>>534122199Anon America started as an English colony. It’s our concept.
i refuse to press any button when presented non button pressers shall inherit the earth
>>534121855Or, I could not contribute to the deflection effort by pushing red, and survive the asteroid impact anyway with 100% certainty.You blues keep changing the prompt and making non-analogous comparisons because you fucked up and now you need to cope and move the goalposts. The original is not analogous to "deflecting an asteroid".
>>534122258Yes. But America also was not a colony in the late 1800s. It was just an European nation>Englishman writes a poem to Americans going "look guys this is how we Europeans do it, you should try this out">barely 100 years later>"LOOK WE MADE THIS, WE CAME UP WITH THE CONCEPT OF WHITE MAN'S BURDEN, US!!!"
>>534121837>refuse to participate in even a hypothetical.The negroid attempting to rationalize his inability to be rationalAstounding
>>534118624>>534118875Different question than before. Redfags from the last thread are redfagging in this one becuase they cant read. In the first question, only people knowingly pressing blue are at risk. In this one, anybody knowingly pressing blue or not pressing anything at all are at risk.In the former, red is the same as 'do nothing' . In this one, red is 'kill anyone who pressed blue to save anyone who cant press blue'.Redfags from the last thread think they're up agaonst retarsds who vote vlue to virtue signal, but in this one, reds are up agianst parents and grandparents whp voted blue to save a baby that cant press either. In this scenario, reds are either retards continuing from the last thread, or are genuinely malicious retard incels.
>>534122341You'll have to share it with red button Chads like myself.
>>534122110Anyone not mentally competent enough to vote is excluded. This is a hypothetical.
>>534122470>what if i changed the scenario to one where i'd be right? then i'd be right!embarrassing behavior desu. ofc people assume the argument stayed the same. why are the le virtuous saviors of humanity playing such underhanded tricks in their desperate search to be perceived as non retarded?
>>534122357>if I change the scenario and make it so the choice I chose is the both the moral and logical choice and the choice you chose is bad, then I win!Take it easy on him, look at his flag. He's Indian. He can't be expected to be anything more than a retard.
>>534122400>America was not a colony after it became a nation By this logic, Denmark has no connection to its Viking past.
>>534121922>complains about being called a jew>keeps talmudic signaling his pedophiliayou're not making redjews look any better, pedo. blueGODS won
>>534122357The point is that you know your choice is immoral, which is why you need to introduce an even MORE immoral character to the story (the person whoset up these magic buttons).You're basically doing the 'i was following orders' defence.Faggot.
>>534122698>your choice is immoral! Nigger it’s life or death go fuck yourself with your moral arguments.
>>534122658What do you mean signalling? I just openly stated it, blue pushers want you to date 30+ single mothers, red MEN are cunnychads.Take one for the team bro so what if she has nigger kids, come on bro you don't want to lack empathy.
>>534122698you completely reframing the question that it's nowhere near the original is an admission that you are subhumanly retarded
>>534121855Bad analogy.Here's a correct one:A big rock is hurtling towards Jeff Bezos' asteroid mining facility far away from earth. If you choose red you stay on earth and nothing happens except Jeff Bezos loses some money.If you choose blue you land on that mining rock and attempt to deflect the other asteroid away. If not enough people agree to help deflect you get hit by the asteroid and all die. Do you choose blue
>>534122698Imagine being so wrong you have to keep reframing the question.
>>534120517>Everyone should be a sociopath like meNaive idealism is why men crawled out of caves and built civilization. I believe man's destiny is a shared one and I will continue to live, speak, and vote that way. You couldn't even stop me without appealing to the very societal structures you claim to be against. Of course that's the essence of red-button-pusher psychology, isn't it - to usurp what others created for the common good and twist it to your own selfish ends.Go back to fapping to Atlas Shrugged, you ghoul.
>>534122622Its ok to have a different answer to a different question, retard . Just admit you didnt read carefully.I said red in the last thread, where no incompetent non-pressers were at fault.
>>534122769This. Me and my life VS some person trying to say>Uhhhh dude that's immoral>You simply have to commit suicide for someone else if you want to be fair and moral like meI'm not playing, I'm not dating the single mother, I'm not paying taxes, I'm not spending my life or committing suicide for these people.Morals aren't real if they bring literal suicide into it.
>>534122657Define a connection. A historical one? Yes, of course it has. The same for America and its colonial PAST. Rephrasing your question to the context correctly, it'd be something along the lines of, "isn't Denmark a Viking nation today given that it was a Viking nation in the past" ("isn't USA a colony today given that it was in the past"), to which the answer is obviously no. This is such a pointless discussion but it's incredible to watch how you legitimately don't have the humility to just admit you don't know what you're talking about
>>534122850there's no reason to reframe the question, unless you know you were wrong. if you were interested in a discussion you would create a new question and a new discussion.if you were interested in saving yourself from being revealed a subhuman retard you would do what you did.
>>534122886People who pick blue are the same ones who want to flood our nations with niggers. >>534122906It’s not your culture it’s Sweden’s and Norway’s.
>>534122769You stilldont seem to understand that in this specific statement of the problem, evwryone who has a non-presser infant and their grandparents will vote blue, and then vote to gas every redfag. Voting blue in this version of the problem is every bit as life and death as voting red in the other version.Read you stupid faggot. Read.
Why are redfags like this?
>>534122849>Naive idealism is why men crawled out of caves and built civilizationI stoppwd reading right there because that's so wrong that it's hilarious. Keep posting.
>>534122969Youre adding in infants, which was never part of the prompt, because you've lost the argument and cant deal with it.
>>534122969You don’t seem to understand that this question is simply giving you the opportunity to get on your soap box and pretend that you’re more virtuous and better than everyone else. Reality is everyone will choose red because their life is at stake. Parents will make their children press red.
>>534122950>It’s not your culture it’s Sweden’s and Norway’s.What? Is this your next cope? Could we please take one of your copes at a time? Ignoring the fact that it was you who brought it up in the first place, the majority of vikings were Danish - all the Vikings in Normandy and England were almost exclusively Danish, with a few from Norway. But you entirely forgot to reply to the actual point of the previous post however :)
>>534122908There is no reframing, just a straight up different question in the OP. But you're an amerilard that cant read.
>>534122173>Say, something like "push blue and save all the invalids, BUT also kill off every Indian in the entire world."wtf I'm a blue button pusher now
>>534123033I imagine it's a guilt complex, they are too cowardly to actually commit to being selfish so they come up with all sorts of excuses for their poor behavior.
>>534123033why'd bluefags completely change the question and act like they didn'ttime to admit your original argument was hilariously pathetic and had literally no reason to press blue, and on top of that you still pressed it.
>>534123080I’m just using your logic, anon.
>>534122802More accurately to the wording of the OP, every baby including yours is already on the asteroid (somehow). Now do you go?
>>534122849>Naive idealism is why men crawled out of caves and built civilizationOne of the dumbest statements ive ever heard, and that is saying alot. "Idealism" isnt even a concept until ancient Greece.
>>534123114Yea bluefags are like that aren’t they.
>>534123084ofc it's reframing. the original scenario was literally "if you press red you live, if you press blue you die unless 50% of button pressers also press blue" and you and your equally subhuman iq friends unironically pressed blue and made arguments for doing soonly after studying very hard did you come to the conclusion that you were indeed subhumanly retarded did you then change the question
>>534123054You never started reading. Despite everything, I would still save you.
>>534122820Imagine being so retarded you dont understand the difference between 'pressing blue' and 'not pressing red' as a condition of survival.
>>534123125What? Lmfao. Please, you should totally dunk on me and actually go into details about how you're in any way applying my logic. Like I want to see you really draw up these supposed similarities. Go on man
>>534123228You deny my cultural heritage. Why should I do the same?You’re exactly the issue with Europe at the moment. So far up your own ass that you don’t see your hypocrisy.
>>534123072>parents will make children press redIts a private vote with no communication, retard. You're reframing things because you cant read or reason.
>>534123150Idealism has existed since prehistory. The Greeks formalized it as a philosophy but visionary men have always possessed it. Despite everything, I would still save you.
>>534123199Read op you stupid fag.
>>534123319u and ur blue button pressers lost the original discussion so humiliatingly and embarrassingly badly that you unironically brought in mr. beast to change the question and do a runbackit might be the most pathetic and one sided beatdown in internet history desu.
>>534122969Where does the "all red pressers will be hunted down by blue pressers" part come into the situation? Or are you extrapolating in such a way that makes your choice right no matter what?>>534123211Yeah I did. I read the part where you said humans stepped out and made society purely altruistic which is so wrong its actually funny. Now you're trying to be all "holier than thou" and saying you'd still save me because you're just do fucking holier than me and wow what a martyr. Lol you're a fucking retard. Keep posting!
>>534123319Ok then all of the children are dead. You don’t understand human nature if you think blue will win.
>>534123298I didn't say that America doesn't have HISTORY as a colonial entity. But it ALSO wasn't a colony in the late 1800s. It was an independent nation, you dumbfuck. The White Man's Burden was written FOR Americans, BY an Englishman, FOR the context of America's possible colonial project in the PHILIPPINES - it has nothing to do with anything in domestic America god. Anyway, I was correct. You literally did go all the way to the bump limit, continuing to deflect, just because you have too much pride to admit you may have been wrong on something so completely pointless
>>534123033these threads are funny af because it's impossible for redfags to rephrase the dilemma in any way to look blues look bad. normies won. /pol/ jews lost
>>534123414I can see you've lost your composure. Let's take a break and once you've recovered, you can explain your objections.Despite everything, I would still save you.
>>534123149Babies would and other minors would obviously be exempt from playing so automatically given a red button press which is the only way to not participate in this game
>>534123386I voted red in the original where non-pressers are not at risk. I vote blue in this version because now what happens to my infant son is entirely flipped. I vote red before to live for his sake and i vote blue now to maximise his chances to live as a non-presser.You're retarded and didnt read the OP because you want to dunk on bluetards from an entirely different question.Its also possible you are an incel faggot that doesnt know safeguarding your children overrides self-preservation.
>>534123626sure u did blue boy
>>534123495>im not saying America isn’t historically a colonial nation >im just saying I don’t consider it as one for the sake of winning this argument I’m so happy Europeans are eating shit lately. You deserve it.
>>534123414Anon you must understand. Admitting that the majority of humanity would make the selfish decision would absolutely shatter his world view.
>>534123430I think most people will risk everythong for their kids and grandkids, and I think many other people are sufficntly smart to deduce that, which makes blue safe enough to press. Red is just contributing to the chance of all the children dying.
>>534123551>press red button>all retards die>world becomes instantly much better
>>534123149Ok, so putting aside that you completely changed the question because you were hilariously retarded,>every baby is on this asteroid, including yoursI don't have any children, so that's out, but I know plenty of people who do have young children. Would I risk my life to go save their kids? Probably.But what you've done here is an equivocation: your original position was completely, unsalvageably retarded. Rather than just admit that, you've changed it so that the blue choice suddenly becomes the obviously correct decision, but you're acting like this somehow makes it the correct decision from the previous, original position.That's not how it works. Blue was retarded in the first formulation of the prompt. When you change it, red becomes the actual, evil choice. Pressing blue for THIS formulation doesn't make it the correct decision for the original. There are plenty of people who didn't even notice that the prompt changed and its now a completely different equation. Pretending like that isn't the case is fundamentally dishonest - YOU changed the prompt, sneakily, without informing anyone. That's equivocation, and it's fucking slimy behavior. Just admit you were wrong in the first prompt.
>>534123574Not according to the problem as it is written.Fuck, I may have to rethink my response given how many retards just wouldnt read carefully enough and default to red. Still blue; dont want survival knowing I contributed to non-survival of my baby.
>>534123664>im just saying I don’t consider it as one for the sake of winning this argumentThe argument isn't contingent on whether or not America was in the past an English colony or not. You're just either 1) genuinely too low IQ to see this or 2) sort of realised it now but are too prideful to admit you may have made a tiny, insignificant mistake
>>534123114I am selfish though, when I see money on the ground I pick it up. I plant fruit plants in areas that are public land and then harvest them myself for my personal enjoyment. I don't answer phone calls or mail, I don't pay taxes, I don't donate to charity unless the person is asking me face to face, and then I put a dollar in to make it seem like I did something to those around me.And I always am the first one in line at anything.That's just how life works, bucko. Too many people aren't selfish so I must be, I won't just let that space go unplanted and unfruitful.
