>Bluebuttonites still believing in a high trust societyThese are the same type people who flooded our countries with low trust niggers btw.
>>534154418The other argument would be that the blue button pushers pushed it because they want to die.Who am i to deny them that choice.
>>534155262They shouldn’t, and they should just sort their shit out. But, no one’s really stopping them from doing that now; ergo, red button is still the most obvious choice. Also, jimmy is a fag.
The correlation red has to the blue button suicide game is it reduces the number of deaths when the blues inevitably fail. The outcome if 100% vote red or 0% vote red is the same. Blues hold all the cards and only a blue vote will change the outcome. You choose to kill by picking blue.You are morally obligated to pick red.>but muh babies and retards can vote!The choice of these is uncertain. It is possible they could all vote red or blue. The only thing that is certain is pressing blue could make you responsible for a death.
>>534154418>>>/twitter/
>>534154418post-Reagan economics create low-trust societies
>>534154418They're trying to reframe this study but it clearly stated that the points weren't cumulative. Putting your points in the rocks category meant you didn't care about your family.
I am pressing the blue button because being stuck in a low-trust poltard/tier nigger world is nightmare fuel.
>>534156738It's actually a high trust /pol/tard nigger world. You are the low trust element in society, you just don't realize it.You're the commissar that steps on people's necks, the leftist who screams and shits himself over trump, the antifa retard who cums to a reel of charlie kirk assassination shots.You are the person that implements and pushes coercive measures on everyone else, who spies on everyone, who needs to force everyone to vote the way you think, who imports millions of niggers from africa for the greater good because everyone is exactly the sameYou are the scum that destroys society and you don't even realize it
Im fully convinced the blue button pushers and rock lovers are all skin walkers and we're finally noticing the facade they've created for us. Im scared anons...
>>534154418ideally, we'd all choose blue if mankind wasn't corrupt, but the fact that the choice is made, everyone should choose red.the obvious answer is red, even for those that would like to choose blue, they should choose red, since red would ensure that everyone that chooses red survives.in this case, blue is suicide, and red is life, unless its a trap, as masons/jews/satanists tend to do.they'll always tell you one thing, while actually meaning another.>>534156944>and rock loversyou leave Jesus alone, he's the best there is.the Rock of Aegis is the only reason you're still alive.
>>534154418It's not even a high trust society question though.Red gets 100%, what blue gets on a condition.A person has to be actually retarded to pick blue.
>>534154418Who fucking cares? It's a meaningless debate over some hypothetical about whether you'd sacrifice yourself for others. It's just the prisoner's dilemma.Stop forcing this twitter garbage on this board. We already have enough of that.It just proves to me that everyone on the internet is so retarded that they will pointlessly argue about meaningless dribble and somehow try to make it into a political or culture war issue.
>>534156232The original question didn't wrote anything about babies etc.So it's quite self evident that only people capable of voting would vote and be subjected to the consequences.
People virtue signal so hard that I wonder if they'd still press the blue button if it was anonymous.
>>534154418>wtf whered all the midwit normalfags that do all the menial work keeping society alive go?you need the blues
>>534156738You are already in one retard.Also you there is like 5-6 billion third worlders, 2-1 in second and barely 1 in first, but in that we have the third world migrants.Do you think blue has any chance?It's literally the suicide button.
i press red because blue presses deserve what they get
>>534158777>A person has to be actually retarded to pick blue.or a leftoid
>>534154418Liberals have zero survival instinct, they blindly take it on faith that most will press blue with them. They never think like which countries press the buttons first, anyone wants you dead they'll wait it out and then press red. They're a liability, oblivious to the danger they put themselves and others in that they bully to press the same buton
>red button luddites denied AGAIN lmfao
>>534156232>>534158841I think this is fundamental to the underlying presumption. who do the sacrificial 'saviors' think they are saving?why is anyone pressing blue in the first place
>>534158902>Wtf we've lost all the HR associatesOh well, better tend to the wheat
The blue button is actually the selfish choice because it means abdicating the responsibility to rebuild society in the wake of mass murder caused by a dictators weird button game.
>>534159030>ludditesor heretics to your liberal delusion? You people offer eachother as sacrifices to your beliefs and call it science. Red button pressers make zero assumptions, we know how to correctly use the scientific method and determine logically that pressing is foolish.
>>534159141*pressing blue
>>534154418>>534156232Blue button keeps winning the polls though. You're demonstrably not correct.
>>534156933Red button pressers get more unhinged ever single time the thread is made
>>534154418
I love the retardation of posting the circles of care chart, as if the immediate family of the red button pressers can't include blue button pressers (like your kindly gran)
>>534159180its why the only moral choice is to press blueid rather die than live in a world where only red button pressers live
>>534159175as a red presser, i would be disappointed if blue won
>>534159183>example number 3968678221231552246792782692359268236293623542366 of red button pressers reframing it so the press of the red button isn't causing the death despite pressing the "people die" button
Ok, i am creating 3 scenarios for bluefags : in the first the blue button goes surely above 50% , in that case your personal push is statistically irrelevant.In the second the result is somewhere around 50% ,in that case you have putted your life on a thin line .In the third , blue is below 50% , in that case you die . In the best scenarios pressing blue is useless , in the worst is suicide
>>534159215You're not moral for choosing suicide and if you try to convince others to press blue you are a murderer. You people are no different from the backwards savages that made human sacrifices. You follow your beliefs and emotion.
Been a lot of discourse about the button, but ngl it opened by eyes. I see people very differently. I don’t even need to ask the question, I can almost always predict how people will vote just by how they act. I’ve never seen a weird level of selfishness and forced helplessness as I did until I saw people choose blueI unironically don’t even see blueys as humans anymore. They’re everything wrong with the world. It explains why so many institutions are forced on pulling people down to their own low level and keeping them down with them. Total blue death
>>534159287Cool story, still pressing blue along with the vast majority of others :)
>>534159175Just because the majority are thick as fuck doesn't mean I'm not correct. If everyone presses red, no one dies. It's not hard. If you press blue, that's on you.
>>534159295It's not that deep bro
>>534159323But I pressed blue and nothing was on me.
>>534159323Well, the majority presses blue so what are you bitching about?
>>534159304>along with the vast majority of others :)You see that's your faith, you're a cult. It is impossible to predict what a majority is gonna be, but you assume you know because your cult tells you you're the majority, it's one of its tenets.
Having a family to raise makes this an easy choice. It really already feels like a red button world I live in. Im not gonna risk my family for no reason. Cutting population in half would likely benefit me too
>>534159323>If everyone presses
>>534159175>pollsYou have to factor in virtue signalling. Most people would say the blue button is right. But how many of them will reaaaally press it in reality? Vs quietly pressing red because "it's ok, my vote won't make a difference, I'll press red just in case"
>>534154418>tell your family to press the red button>red button vote wins by 1 or 2>tfw
>>534159352Red button pressers come in two flavors:1. I put my own survival about any other concernsand2. I know this is terrible so I'm going to reframe it as a moral good to press the kill people buttonThe first are honest. But you see the second type here.
>>534159399Those polls don't tell you who voted who
>>534159370youre just mad that your nihilistic worldview gets shattered against the reality of cold statisticsYou >wall of text to justify yourself Me>if i press blue, nobody dies. And if i die, i dont have to live with the assholes who didnt press blue It’s tha simple
>>534159241Its weird that they say it's the logical answer and whatnot, but have to justify themselves so much. Kinda weird.
>>534156738That's literally what you live in delusional retard.
>>534159447This. I love how the red button pressers claim to be based nad white then tell you blue will lose because all the africans, jews, indians and chinese will press red
>>534159337Shut up bluey
Pretty sure that in much of the world world liberals aren't as numerous and not as forever online. Though it's hard to predict who would be the majority I can make a calculated guess that white liberals are risking mass suicide not considering the multitudes that do not share their beliefs. The third world might largely vote red for having better survival instincts. Their faith tells them brown people good so they'll vote blue with them, that will kill them in the end.
>>534158926>You are already in one retardAll polls show the blue button wins.So you are mistaken.
>>534159175>bots don't exist suddenly
>>534159486Its sad but im glad theyre pretty heavily outnumbered still
>>534159452If it's the logical answer they wouldn't need to reframe it to literally take the red button press out of the equation. Imagine your action being so bad that you jutsify it by making analogies where it doesn't exist.
>>534159502I'm too old for Bluey mate
>>534159519>>bots don't exist suddenlyBots exist.They are in the room with us now.
YOUR A FUCKING VAXXED LEFTY LOSER IF YOU VOTE BLUE REEEEEE
>>534159559>
>>534159352It would be preferable if blue pushers died. Truly. There's literally no death involved at all if no one pushes blue. Shouldn't have to cohabit a society in which people needlessly opt in to a death lottery.
>>534159394Not my problem. You push blue, it's on you.
>>534154418The blue button people are the ones with no common sense and live in a delusion.
>>534159591>There's literally no death involved at all if no one pushes blueThere is literally no death involved at all if no one pushes red
>>534159519yeah they're spamming red
>>534159603pushing your mum onto the bed and fucking her slag granny cunt kek
>>534159616There is literally zero way that people won't die if red wins. It's just statistically and probabilistically (is that a word? ) impossible
>>534159511You are missing the big picture.In big votes with mostly 1st world audience, the blue barely wins.Now let's do a vote where 3rd worlders are the ultimate majority (more than 2/3 of votes) and you actually have consequences.The red would win without question.Many of those just virtue signal or actually want as many people to die as they can convince so, they say they vote blue, but would vote red without hesitation in the real scenario.
>>534159486Show me how many trannies there are in Africa and India and China. I'll wait. These people will press red because they're not idiots. Most of these countries want eachother dead they'll play it smart and go for red and perhaps hoping an enemy will choose blue. The third world would rejoice that so many whites have decided to off themselves.
>>534159622Kek.
>>534156738You don't need an imaginary button to commit suicide.
>>534159241I am absolutely pro woodchipper on your part. And pro vaccine. You go press that blue button, big guy
yup, bluebuttonKINGS won keep melting down, redsissy
Midwits will seethe and post tranime. Everyone will live regardless their tantrums
>>534159640>There is literally zero way that people won't die if red wins. It's just statistically and probabilistically (is that a word? ) impossibleThere is literally zero way that people won't die if blue wins. It's just statistically and probabilistically (is that a word? ) impossible
>>534159716>tranimearyanime*
>>534159640You press whichever one you want it literally doesn't matter to me. I'll be pushing red because I'm not a retard. It's literally just: push red if you want to live, push blue if you want to die.
>>534159557Bots can't tell when they're losing the audience but not the argument. That's why the most effective thing to do is just laugh at them. They'll keep posting UTTER BULLSHIT even after being exposed as fools because they think no one successfully out-argued them.
>>534159654What in God's good name do "Trannies" fucking have to do with anything what the fuck?
>>534159511No they don't, only the ones with manipulative framing. When the same question is posed as>There is a giant blender. If you jump in the blender, you will die. However if 50% of the population jumps in the blender then it jams and no-one dies. Do you jump in the blender?And the results come out to like 20% retarded blue pushers and 80% red.
is there a button i can press that kills everyone who actually takes this shit seriously enough to even think about it
>>534154418What is this guy even talking about? "Survive" what exactly? Is he threatening people?What an odd poll to make.
>>534159746There is zero way that people will die if blue wins, it's literally the premise of the thought experiment you impossibly stupid fuck
>>534159770Christ I wish
>le social media pollI guarantee half the bluebuttons in the polls on social media would press red in reality. This shits gay
>>534159770No. It perfectly reflects politics down to the color. Which means your position is red. Kek.
>>534159764Trannies are only found in countries where the number of your fellow cultists are high. People in other countries do not share your beliefs and will not press blue. You people are a savage cult
>>534159793my position is kill yourself
>>534159784Millions of Indians will get hit by a train while standing in front of the buttons.
>>534159820Utterly and completely mindbroken.>here's a thought experiment about self-preservation vs saving everyone>"TRANNIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
>>534159793Twitterniggers were a mistake
>>534159821I don't make the rules, buddy. If you don't vote, then you're right wing according to literally everyone else.
>>534159850It's actually about critical thinking and logic ability vs low IQ.
>>534154418>you convince all your immediate family to press the red buttonnot only are redtards self-centered morons, but they also can't read and have shot comprehension.anything beyond "you press a button in private" is cope and not part of the original dilemma. you don't get time to coordinate. the rest of her post is more redtoid "fuck you, got mine" sociopathy.
>>534159850>self-preservation vs saving everyoneOnly you deranged cultists see the issue this way.What actually happens is you people chose to virtue signal to others that you are faithful to your cult and chose it over self preservation. And you would all murder eachother for the greater good to please your gods(people in lab coats on tv)
>>534159394>If everyone would just press blue, I won't end up killing myself
>>534159955If you controlled what button all of your family and everyone you've even known can pick what button would you choose?
>>534159971>we do a little trollinyou're trying too hard, anon.
>>534160030None of us are trolling you, you people are completely incapable of seeing past your cult programming and most of us are earnestly doubting whether you people even have souls.
>>534159989I want a green button that kills everyone who actually cares about this twitter poll
>>534159955Bluefags talk about wanting to coordinate with others all the time and they are the ones who create scenarios that where not on the original question
>>534160025>asking if I could stack the deck even further towards the answer that saves everyone and we live in a slightly higher trust societyhmmmm
>>534154418Option A>You will liveOption B>You might die because you wanted to save retards who did not choose the option that guaranteed survivingEveryone pressing the blue button should be euthanized regardless of the final ratio of the vote.
>>534160100.. But that hypothetical is to incentivise you to press red?
>>534160067>REEEE I DONT CARE IF BILLIONS DIE AS LONG AS I LIVE YOU ARE IN A CULT IF YOU DO NOT THINK EXACTLY AS I DO
>>534154418Fag thread
total twittard extermination
>>534159850>self-preservation vs saving everyone (WHO PRESSED THE 'KILL ME' BUTTON).Yeah, no brainer.
>>534159052They think they are saving all the people stupid enough to press blue ('not me though, I pressed it because I am compassionate')Keep in mind how much leftism is about saving people from themselves
>>534160113these kinds of replies will trickle in from reds. theyre so sociopathic and bloodthirsty that they want blues killed regardless.the dilemma reveals that blues currently live adjacent to murderous philosophical zombies. they lose their minds any time a poll shows that people would hypothetically pick blue over red. they're absolutely devastated that billions wouldn't die. truly subhuman behavior.
>>534160169There is no kill me button. There is a kill blues button. No blues die except for red pressing their button.
>>534160100>i would kill my entire family to play an optional game I will most certainly lose because I'm worried about people I've never met being retards and playing it too.the blue psychopath reveals himself.
>>534160225I don't care though. Make your choice. If you opt in to the suicide, that's your problem. You can't shame me into pressing blue so why even bother trying? At the end of the day I'll definitely be alive and there's a good chance you'll be dead from your own stupidity.
>>534160244Kek why are there blues at all though...its literally a choice with zero coercion...
>>534158781The whole point is that it fundamentally isn't the prisoner's dilemma.
>>534160287Everyone has to make a choice, and one of your family members might choose blue, and you won't know since it's private. Blue = 100% winsRed = anywhere from 50%-100% wins
>>534154418If you choose the Red button, you are no different from 3rd world subhumans that only cares about themselves.You deserve to be winged for being a faggot
>>534160254>durrrrrkeep projecting, schlomo. we know why you can only think about yourself.>>534160280once again: reds can only think about themselves. you can't fathom that you could be wrong or that other people value the life in general, not just their own. I'd wonder if you're learning that you're actually nihilistic, but I doubt you have the capacity for self-reflection considering that you believe you are correct in all things.
>>534160380This is what makes no sense. If the third world presses red that means all you blue pressers die. You people are not only deranged cultists you're all bad at math too
>>534160362Now I'm reminded of those stories of whole black families drowning because one went under and sequentially so did all the others to try and save each other
>red arguments:actual logical arguments >blue "arguments": strawman, ad hominem, shaming, circular logic
>>534160113Based Pekka. This means 90% of finns and Swedes (the cucked kind) dies. This is a good thing! Then we can proceed to annihilate the foreign scourge.
>>534160408So go ahead and press blue, mate... Makes no difference to me or anyone else not stupid enough to opt in to a suicide lottery for no reason.
>>534159370Turn to Jesus nihilistic retard. You are what happens when larping as edgelord goes to long. I pressed blue because Im a good person, nobody dies
>>534159175>most people are retardedThis includes midwits like you, dumbass.
>>534160380The third world overwhelmingly presses blue button, this is why they are not first world
In the heads of blue pressers, red pressers are evil for not believing in the "goodness of mankind" that the majority will press blue. And they actually think this belief is grounded in science, somehow
>>534160434>Red button presser just admits he'd let a family member drown
Red is a symptom of alienation, nothing more. If red makes sense to you, it’s because you’re alienated from your peers & fellow members of society.If it’s you & 10 members of your family? You press blue without thinking.If it’s you & 10 of your close mates? You press blue without thinking.If it’s you & 10 of your army squad mates? You press blue without thinking.Red hyper-individualism is a cope for chronic loneliness/alienation. The real world context for this whole thought experiment, by the way, is boomers owning all the houses & zoomers not being able to afford homes/families. Collective action could be taken for affordable housing to rescue a generation, but then the boomers might be fractionally less wealthy as they go into the grave. Red pushers are boomer boot-strappers or are apologists for boomer boot-strappers. The point of the question is to justify the idea that boomers are right to live it up while the world burns.
>>534160459>red argument: fuck you got mine, ur a cultist, u want everyone to die, extremely low trust, wants blues to die even if blues out-vote reds, moves goalposts, tries to bend the rules because they can't sit with the current hypothetical, completely nihilistic and self-serving, every accusation a confession >blue arguments: knows how to read, believes life has inherent value, understands actual game theory
>>534160507You assume it's a question of IQ, it isn't. Though stupid people could choose blue out of stupidity, it doesn't explain the large number of blue pressers. The explanation comes from the belief system liberals dogmatically hold eachother to
>>534160507Nope, Indians, chinks and niggers (if the explain that red=100% survival and blue=maybe) will press the blue button. Hence over 50% pressed the red one.I would be okay with virtue signaling-masochistic whites dying.
>>534160596Knowing I'm not a strong swimmer, yes I would restrain myself and further tragedy would be avoided instead of compoundedYou want to emotionally appeal me into making a bad situation WORSE?
>>534160615Thanks for proving my point
>>534156622w wh what
Who would want to live in a world with people who only care about themselves?>obvious psyop btw
>>534159452>red button people change the cosmetics of the problem while it remains exactly the same otherwise>most blue buttoners refuse to jump into the woodchipperRed buttoners are the ones with a logical, consistent answer. Blue buttoners just fail to grasp the consequences of their actions, Afag.
>>534154418whoever came up with this question will forever be the guy who came up with this question.
>>534160654front crawl swimming isn't THAT hard anon.
>>534156738based
>>534160652Pajeets*Will press the red button*I just woke up niggers
>>534160608>>534160615Bluecucks just want to virtue signal. If, instead of simply pressing a button, it was phrased as:>jump in a wood chipper but if 50% of people also jump in the wood chipper with you it jams and nobody diesOR>do nothingNobody is picking the obviously retarded and pointless choice
>>534159394every day, every person on earth decides that today, they will not scoop out their own eyes and insert their severed eyeballs into their ass in an attempt to see a magical anal faerie.prove me wrong bro
>>534155262explain that table
>>534160712We will all be better off without you blue pressing idiots. If you people could just privately press blue and kept your mouths shut I'd have no issue with you people, I can respect suicide, but you drag others with you.
>>534160488>fuck u got mine, I don't trust anyone and only value my own life we know, anon. some of us have family and friends who we care and we'll press the button with the highest chance of saving them AND ourselves.you don't have those connections to consider. that must suck, sorry to hear you're so isolated.
>>534160796Sounds hot
>>534160660you and the entire thread of seething reds prove mine. every one of your accusations is a confession.>>534160792>durrrrr well if we change the game thenread the post you're responding to. engage the hypothetical or don't.
I don't understand how this is even such a discussion. Are so many people genuinely so stupid or is this just shitposting?
>>534160615Look. I'm pushing the red button. That's my choice to make. I want to live. I'm not opting into a suicide lottery. As my fellow man, I urge you to also press red, but it's your choice, I won't and can't compel you either way.You, as a blue presser, are demanding that, now you've entered the death lottery, I must also put my life on the line to save yours. Blues are selfish. Blues have made a bad logical decision and now demand that others make that same choice to spare them from the consequences of their own actions. Who votes blue in the first place? I'm not obligated to save people from their own stupidity. I want you to make a good choice for youself but I won't jump onto the sinking ship to drown with you when there's dry land a step away.My mentality is everyone must look to themselves ultimately. You are responsible for your life, not me, not anyone else. You're free to save yourself and I commend you for doing so. Blue is the demand that everyone takes that risk because someone already took that risk. You demand that everyone rolls the dice because of your suicidal altruism. I don't demand anyone does anything. Live and let live. Make your choice and I will make mine. You can't compel or shame me into playing Russian Roulette. Press your blue button, I hope it works out for you, but don't demand I play your dangerous game with you. No one needed to press blue.That's what this boils down to... Having free will and having the right to make the choice for oneself vs being told how to behave, how to think, under potential penalty of death.
>>534159399as incomprehensible as it is to me why anyone would push the blue button, it's far more difficult for me to imagine why anyone with the basic sense to push red wouldn't understand that it is the only choice, and also aggressively shame all blue pushers.
>>534160899you're repeating yourself, anon. kinda funny how you need to justify it. I guess re-read one of my previous posts, they still apply. you aren't good at game theory and you live a lonely existence. sorry to hear.
>>534160225Lifeguards are trained not to put themselves in danger of drowning when saving people, because you can't help anyone else if you die.I'm not going to sacrifice myself helping people who chose to play Russian roulette.
>>534160955It's okay. You go push that blue button and be all smug about it. Just remember nobody forced you.
>>534160873>Are so many people genuinely so stupid or is this just shitposting?Yes. Stupid people shitposting and stupid people thinking they are smart but accidentally posting shit.
>>534160608NoI press red, alwaysIt's litteraly>Do nothing button>Might die buttonAgain why would you take a useless risk ? Just for virtue signaling ?>BUT WHAT IF A RETARDED NIGGER DOESN'T UNDERSTAND AND PRESS BLUE ?!I fail to see why I should take a useless risk to save someone from the consequence of their own retarded action
>>534160939what you reds fail to understand is that your core philosophy prevents you from considering others. you see "I live" and that's all you need. of course you can't fathom pressing blue, blue isn't solely about you.>>534160973that comparison doesn't apply, stick to the hypothetical at hand or don't bother.
>>534160873It's liberals who are conditioned into choosing Blue over Red no matter the context who are tripping over themselves to justify suicide to help others who also chose suicide. Anyone choosing Blue in this scenario needs to be shot into the Sun.t, die hard leftist
>Pressing the red button means you live 100% of the time>Pressing the blue button means you die 100% of the time if half the world doesn't press itHow the fuck is there even a debate?This is the raw logic behind it, there is no "saving" anyone contrary to what blue pressers may think, when you strip it from twisted forms of language you realize there is ZERO logical incentive to press the blue buttonIf this "dilemma" was presented with these exact words, nobody would press the blue button aside from a few million suicidals who see an easy and painless way out of their shitty lifeBlue pressers have no soul and do not understand basic probability
>>534161102>>what you reds fail to understand is that your core philosophy prevents you from considering others. you see "I live" and that's all you need. of course you can't fathom pressing blue, blue isn't solely about you.culling the blue pushers is a gift to all.
>>534160872>well if we change the game thenIt's the same shit, I give you a pill, you can toss it or eat it, if you choose the second option you will die unless the majority decide to take the pill, if that so I will give you a anditoteIf you toss it, nothing will happen
>>534160818One option entails the certainty of death to other people. This is unacceptable to a large portion of the population, thankfully. The real punishment is being stuck in an existence purely with people who do not care about this.
>>534161102I am considering others by wanting them to take the option that WILL make them live instead of the option that MIGHT make them die
>>534161083>me me me mewe know, you only consider yourself.it's kinda funny to think of a post-button situation where, if majority did press red, they would have to look around at who in their life didn't press red.would you mourne any family or friends who pressed blue? would you even care? doesn't sound like it, sounds like you'd write anyone off as retarded.damn, imagine living that sad of a life.
>>534161121Because it's sociopathic and you're the one who killed those of pushed blue or someshit
>>534160792>>534161146>People pick blue based on a gamble of enough other people picking blue>"Aha! What if I changed the question to make blue seem less attractive?">People no longer pick it because their prediction of other people's behavior changes.>Somehow this is supposed to be irrational.The idea that red-pressers are logical is just aesthetics. They have no abstract reasoning ability. That's why they pick red.
>>534161102>that comparison doesn't apply, stick to the hypothetical at hand or don't bother.Okay.There are two busses and you have to board one of them or your immortal soul gets eternally tortured in afterlife. One of the buses will take you home. The other bus will drive off of a cliff and fall into an active volcano filled with lava unless more than half of the passengers on board decide to stop the bus.Which bus are you boarding? Everyone on the bus headed for the volcano decided to board that bus out of their own free will. Why would anyone board the bus headed for the volcano?
>>534161121>there is ZERO logical incentive to press the blue buttonjust guessing but I think the idea might be that pushing blue means "everyone lives" and well obv that's good right?and if pressed to explain further the idea is probably 'why kill people if we dont have to'. the fact that pushing blue is a choice never crosses the mind of the eternal blue pusher
>>534155262
>>534154418>Even on a no stakes twitter survey, the suicidal empaths only have a 6% "lead".This vote should be real, 6% would absolutely flip to red if shit gets real, and humanity would get rid of these massive retards that ruin modern society.Immigration and other lefty shit would stop overnight.
>>534161207>i have willingly stepped in the giant meat grinder that only deactivates if half of everybody also steps in it>now my goal is to convince at least half of all people to also endanger their lives in order to reach a meaningless threshold that could be avoided should nobody willingly step in the giant meat grinder>W-WHAT??? HOW DARE YOU NOT WANT TO STEP IN THE MEAT GRINDER YOU CHUD??? DON'T YOU SEE YOU'RE ENDANGERING ME?????that's who these people are, anon, sovlless
>>534161263I think we all agree.
>>534161202>damn, imagine living that sad of a life.clarity is actually kinda pleasant.
>>534161202>would you mourne any family or friends who pressed blue?No, they won't press the "may die" button because they aren't retarded The truly selfish thing is wanting people to take an unnecessary risk to save yourself from an unnecessary risk. Take responsibility, choose as an individual.Everyone is free to make their own choice. If the dilemma concerned a portion of the population forced to choose blue, I could understand the debate, but this?
>>534161235you're not a human being, you don't have a soul, you're not real, you HAVE to be a bot
The blue button is the one that brings death into the equation in the first place. Reds are not responsible for you pressing the button that brings death into the equation.
>>534156738If you want to kill yourself, that's fine, but you shouldn't risk saving the lives of billions of retards. We need red to win this vote.
>>534161213What's irrational is choosing the "can die" option instead of the "cannot die" option because you're assuming that some people will choose the option that carries a completely unnecessary risk, and that it's your responsibility to save them by taking an unnecessary risk yourself. This means that to save you, someone else will have to take an unnecessary risk. Just press the "don't die" button.
>>534154418This is the dumbest poll of all time. Why wouldn't everyone just press the red button? What am I missing? Is everyone a moron or is it just me?
>>534161213>>534161202>>534161156You're assuming that red pushers do not care about anyone but themselves. That this is your take away from the thought experiement is telling. We care about other people. We want them to save themselves. We want to live amongst people with a healthy self-preservation instinct who don't have misplaced suicial altruistic tendancies. I would mourn those, in my family, that pushed blue. But I would never forgive them for their implicit demand that I also place my neck in the guillotine because of their choices. Blues are demanding that everyone risks their life to save them. Reds are asking everyone to make the right choice for themselves. If you want to live, push the button that guarantees you live. Anything else is on you.
>>534161197you wanting them to do it doesn't change the outcome.>private vote>red or blue>nearly impssible that it will go 100% to either color, many will most likely press red but it isn't guaranteed>the least amount of death possible is to press blue>assume life and trust hav inherent value>the red button ONLY effects me>the blue button effects me AND everyone i care aboutmore people will choose blue because of that difference. they won't press the button that has no chance of effecting others in a positive way.
>>534159910>It's actually about critical thinking and logic ability vs low IQNo, its actually about morality and whether you are a good person or not.
>>534159486White people have been subject to generations of guilt indoctrination. Most whites are basically mentally ill, which causes them to choose blue, and also support things such as mass immigration.
>>534161440because apparently it's selfish, irrational, and sociopathic not to risk one's life unnecessarily for virtue signaling
>>534154418It would be an intriguing study to conduct in a genuine real-life fashion. I have a feeling that the women who would proclaim blue to be the right choice in a public setting would actually select red if nobody was watching. The blue-button "men" however I think would definitely stick with blue for the honor of their blue queens. That is how the modern regressive left politics sphere feels to me. The women champion the retarded values but in private they actually don't like some of the consequences, but their male orbiters become absolutely devoted to those values which leads to ridiculous instances like worshiping BLM, pleading for open borders infinity migrants, becoming secret police for the covid vaxx. The blue women set the stage, the blue men hold it down.
>>534161448The red button doesn't ONLY affect me. It affects my family who I have to provide for. My family who love me and don't want me to die. My friends who don't want me to die.If the choice was, press RED to live but your whole family dies. Or press BLUE to die but your whole family lives... As in I'm guaranteed to instantly die, I press BLUE in a second. You can't understand the nuance of this. Again, Blue pushers are the selfish ones for signing up to a suicide lottery in the first place and then demanding everyone else does the same... When they could have just looked to their own safety and pressed red from the beginning.Ultimately it doesn't matter. Red always wins.
picked red on the poll because it is the sane choicethen I saw that actually blue is getting majorityblue is fine if you know they get over 50%this is just a poll howeverin real life I'd still pick red though who knowsI am of the belief that you really cannot know until you really do it. Would you help a stranger, would you defend your country in a war, would you risk when you could just stay quiet and idle. You cannot know until you really get tested in real scenario.
>>534160608I think a most of it comes down to how much time you get to make the decision. If you're just going about your day and all of the sudden time stops, your surroundings go pitch black, and all you can see are the buttons, then blue is going to win every time. If you give humanity 24 hours to collectively talk about it, then red would have a stronger case. I think most of the poll respondents put themselves in the former situation given the short-form interaction that a Twitter poll is. There's logic in both worldviews, and red pushers underestimate how many people there are that wouldn't be able to live with themselves knowing they intentionally played a role in someone else's death, even a complete stranger, but especially a family member who is making the choice with them at the same moment, and those are the thoughts that are going to be at the front of most people's minds. If this was about money or something less important, most people would pick red, even in situations where if red got more than 50% no one gets money (like the game show Friend or Foe). When it comes to life and death as a whole, more people will bank on 100% victory at all costs because the ramifications of the other scenario would be unfathomable to a majority of people.
>>534161378I as real as a rock slide, anon. I wake up every day and breathe from the same atmosphere as you.
>You have to risk your life unnecessarily because I risked mine unnecessarily. >Why didn't I choose the "lives in 100% of cases" option? It's because...uh... >BECAUSE IT'S SELFISH NOT TO TAKE AN UNNECESSARY RISK, OK? >I HAVE TO SAVE EVERYONE, AND TO DO THAT, WE ALL HAVE TO RISK OUR LIVES UNNECESSARILY.
>>534161440You're discovering that liberals are literally in a cult that do not see as we do, everything is filtered through a lens of their cult programming, not virtue signalling to others that you adhere to their beliefs which they think makes them good would make you evil. They believe the majority of mankind would press blue with them "all humans are equal", brown people good, "progress will win in the end". It's a religious dogma, questioning it is heresy.
>>534154418They will ask for Death, but Death will not come to them
>>534154418>I'd push blueokay, next question. if it meant that red pushers would die, would you still push blue>oh, even more so. I'd push blue even harder
>>534160939picking blue is only more moralfagging, saying you are helping theoretical retards and babies, i really want to get tommys now but i need to sleep for work, its been so long since ive had it
>>534159352Because /pol/ is just as retarded and greedy as the kikes, except they think blue pressers are awful people and genetic deadends who need to die because they're sports brained.Basically this is entirely a test to see who belongs in society and it's antisocial fags trying to find reasons for why they're more intelligent and better suited to survive in a world that doesn't exist - the same people who leave the shopping cart in middle of the parking lot and pouring oil down the drain as "not my problem"Billions must die, afterall.
>>534156944What do you think the uncanny valley effect is and why does it get triggered by jew creaturas?Why do you think some people are psychopathic, overly horny and cannibalistic?Lizard people, skinwalkers, neanderthals, jews.
>>534156622>>534160711>>534154418I don't have perfect relationship with my entire family, even those with whom I have good relationship don't have to have one between themselves. I understand having shitty people in your family. But if your entire family is supposedly shit, the only constant in your every in-family relationship is you.I genuinely think that people who value other nations more than own family and nations are sellouts who hate people close to them for knowing what kind of person they really are.And because, even if you are Chinase, rest of the world is more numerous than your fellow citizens, your see more people to suck up to outside your nation.When extreme authoritarian left wants to rob and murder everyone and the extreme authoritarian right wants to rob and murder everyone outside their tribe, the extreme libertarian left wants to rob and murder everyone inside their own tribe.
note how some say they don't wanna live in a world of only red pressers. Their cult dictates that anyone not adhering to their beliefs are evil, and more often they are also simultaneously stupid and backwards.
>>534159287It's not suicide. It's more like Russian roulette with 3 bullets and everyone is playing so I might as well play too.The red b
>>534159183People doing this irl gave us worker's unions and worker's rights btw, so this picture is dumb.
nuchuds are so patheticthis thread encapsulates everything wrong with this placei feel disgust, much more so than i get when i hear about palisharts this palisharts that
>>534161502Reminds me of this clip.
>>534161470Good people don't encourage others to endanger themselves
Hey dude, do you want to play the death lottery?Errm... Well, what do I stand to win?Nothing dude, but if 50% of all people don't play the death lottery, everyone who does play the death lottery dies.What the fuck that's ridiculous, no I don't want to play the death lottery, why the fuck would I? Blue pushers ITT: What the fuck you selfish fuck why won't you play the death lottery with us?
I started by picking red because it was the safest option.Now I'm pressing red because every single one of you bluefaggots needs to die.
>>534154418>Everyone on Earth takes a private vote by pressing a green or orange button. The green button does nothing. The orange button kills the people who press it unless more than 50% press it, in which case it does nothing.Green is the logical choice. Anyone who presses orange is a risk to society and deserves to die.
>>534159447>if I press blue, nobody diesOnly under specific conditions that are outside your control, but if you want to be like a sheep that won't even know if it goes toward a slaughter >>534160499>turn to JesusPlease provide relevant Jesus quote where I should blindly entrust others whatever I will be killed or not.>b-but sacrefice Nobody stops anybody from voting red with me.
>>534161563>red pushers underestimate how many people there are that wouldn't be able to live with themselves knowing they intentionally played a role in someone else's death,We didn't, they killed themself with a retarded betJust don't press the "may die" button
I'm surprised this hasn't been memed yet.
>>534161952>Blue pushers ITT: What the fuck you selfish fuck why won't you play the death lottery with us?The only logical reason to press blue is that roughly half of children who are too young to understand the setup press the blue button on accident. Those are the only group of people whom I would even consider pressing the blue button for.
>>534154418Reading comprehension holy shit lmao
>>534161968Kek, just shows retarded some people get if the question is phrased as a moral dilemma.
>>534154418Should have known it was all some MR Beast fucking advertising campaign. Christ is nohing organic anymore? Only here. And rarer and rarer still.
>>534161728Tell the jews that stealing is wrong
>>534161952This can be applied endlessly: a hole you can only escape if 51% of people jump in, a poison pill whose antidote will only be given if 51% of people take it. It's literally: >living >risking your life unnecessarily for virtue signaling
>>534161479>because apparently it's selfish, irrational, and sociopathic not to risk one's life unnecessarily for virtue signalingWhat if your mom chose blue? See, it's about your morality, the depth and quality of your character - not your own ability to survive.Truly intelligent people understand morality this way.
>>534161433The "assumption" that some people will choose that option has been repeatedly demonstrated in practice at this point. There's nothing irrational or unnecessary about it. What you red-buttoners are trying to achieve is a moral crusade guiding people away from pressing blue, on either: (1.) the stupid assumption that you can either push this proportion close to 0%, (2,) the immoral, anti-Christian, anti-humanist viewpoint that the remaining blue-buttoners are worthless anyway. This is a degenerate moral system that the majority of people are right to reject.>>534161443>>534161939The red button implies a similar potentially murderous demand on other people. Rather than expecting other people to just potentially kill themselves, you are demanding that they potentially kill half the world. This is worse on them, most people would rather die. Your stupidity is that you don't understand other people prioritize morality over self-preservation the same way you do.
>>534161952>>534161961I haven't actually seen a single blue-presser speak from the point of view that THEY need saving. Everyone who presses it imagines they are doing it to save others who pressed it out of retardationIts like an empty pit that a bunch of people jumped into to help out anyone who jumped in before them, even though there wasn't actually anyone in there to start with
>>534162200Half the world is not going to press it though, nowhere closeHence encouraging others to press it is nothing but encouraging them to kill themselves
>>534162185>what if your mom chooses blueShe wouldn't be risking her own life and prematurely abandoning her family for pointless risk life/gain nothing game.
>>534162239literally lemmings-tier behaviorMrBeast is unfathomably based for secretly publishing the greatest IQ test of all time, which to the surprise of nobody sane, most people failed
>>534162148Yea isnt it just basic survival and most people who aren't mentally ill will choose to survive?
>>534162239There is this pancake >>534162185 with the "what if your mum shoots herself in the head" argument, kek.
>>534161939>good people encourage others to press the button that kills peopleBrother this entire thing is an allegory for living in society.Literally every time this poll was done to the public everyone survived because red was a minority.These threads are an outlet for 98iq selfserving geniuses to pretend they're better than everyone else for the "right" choice.
>>534162065Blue button pressers do not want their God given free will. The deliberately silence their internal monologue to stop having evil anti-liberal thoughts and to not evilly notice things. They want to remove all agency from themselves and give in to a hive mind that knows what's best for them. Believing everyone will press blue removes all agency, nullifies free will, they're not required to think. The scientists, the global elite knows what's best, to deny them is evil, because to deny them halts progress.
>>534162185>What if your mom chose blue?Already asked her when I saw this shit years ago on twitter, she said that you must be retarded to pick blueSeriously, risking your life unnecessarily because you imagine people will get injured by accident or stupidity isn't altruism, it's morbid and suicidal empathy. It's this kind of behavior that leads to an immigration of people from the 3rd world, that prevents us from doing anything about criminals and drug addicts, and that ultimately destroys the living conditions of the average person.Some peoples are retarded and will suffer the consequences of their actions, but that's no reason to degrade the lives of the majority who are not retarded.
>>534162200But I am not forcing anyone to press Blue. Those that press blue have decided to potentially die for themselves. Where is the morality in them also demanding I take that risk?No one has forced anyone to push the blue button. Everyone who has pushed the blue button is responsible for the outcome upon themselves whatever that may be. It's not about self-preservation as much as individual liberty and not compelling others to risk their lives for a completely unnecessary problem of their own making.Look to yourself and make your own decision do not hold me accountable for your choices. That is not moral. It is not moral to demand people risk their lives just because you think it's a good idea to do so.
>>534162200Press the blue one if you want, risk your life for no gain if that amuses you, just don't try to pass it off as altruism.
i don't get itso you either have a 100% chance to live no matter what, no string attached, everyone can pick it and nobody else has to dieor you have a non-certain chance to live, which is conditional on factors outside your control; and anyone who picks that option is also exposed to risk of deathwhy would you pick the latter? are you supposed to think "what if some retard who doesn't understand chance missvotes"?
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>>534154418>everyone press red>everyone survives>no need to trust strangers to guarantee survival this wayIf there was an additional drawback like 'if 70% or more people vote red, everyone dies' then there would be a reason to go blue but as it is, red is the clear correct choice for EVERYONE to make.
bluepressers be like>you're selfish, unborn children will press blue because they're in the world, you can't fight stupid so join usredpressers be like>why is your moral system inconsequential actions or forcing imperatives on everyone, are you jealously deferring moral agency?
>>534162239kek>Oh shit, that's a big hole.>...I wonder if anyone fell in there? That would be terrible! I should throw myself down there to help them.
>>534162402>risk your life for no gainThere's quite literally a gain in the scenario.
>>534162200What you blue-buttoners are trying to achieve is a moral crusade guiding people away from pressing red, on either: (1) the stupid assumption that you can reliably guarantee that over half will vote blue(2) purposefully and cynically pretending to be retarded in no stake situation when you know you would be voting red with actual stakes when you actively hope to get others killed by guilt tripping them into a retarded pick
>>534162239What if your mom jumped in the hole before you could stop her. Do you allow her to face the risk of death or do you have any loyalty to try and save her? Or could you live with yourself if you chose red at that point and then she ended up dying because of the <50%?See, some people couldn't live with being such a lowlife without any loyalty or love for something other than their own miserable self, and would rather depart this realty than be mired in a swamp of immoral filth It's basically personal choice.
>>534162443Not even fell in past tense, imagine tossing yourself into an empty pit because you think someone else might fall in later
>>534154418I'm bluejust got parcel with correct content, courier phoned, I was outside home, said he can just leave under doorstrust dies first from bad leadership, you all west countries have jewish worms in brains, make something about it to get better
>>534162412Blue fags think Disney movies are real
>>534162455A gain of useless eaters more like haha.Anyways smart posters are picking the red button to live in a world with their Indian, Jewish, Russian, and central American bros.Just think about it, we kill all those pesky moralfaggots and now we get to enjoy a society comprised of people not fit for it.
>>534162483Again, I can confidently assert that no matter what, blue-button pushers will be the minority. Anyone's mother with a shred of intelligence and love for their own children would not want their own son risking their life like that just for an extra 8-billionth of an extra chance for them to survive
>>534162412You're supposed to think "I wanna show to other's I'd needlessly risk my lives for them" the quiet part you're supposed to think in addition is "everyone will vote blue with me because this is a capeshit movie where good triumphs evil, progress is inevitable".
>>534156232>inevitably fall>but it won>certain>couldTalmudspeak
>>534162455Which is ? Potentially "saving" peoples who who took an unnecessary risk to "save" peoples who who took an unnecessary risk to ...The fundamental problem, the risk, the danger, is created simply by pressing the blue button. >BUT IF SOMEONE PRESSES IT BECAUSE THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND Well, too bad for them. You can't reasonably ask everyone to risk their life for the sake of saving a mentally challenged person, that's the most selfish thing you can do.
>>534162455There's no gain pressing blue.You start at 0.You press blue to enter into a negative (-1) with the chance to achieve a positive (+1) which brings you back to 0. But also a chance to stay negative (-1) which means death.You press red which has no value, because it's refusing to participate and you start and end at 0 (alive).There's nothing to gain from pressing blue besides maybe avoiding the fate that you have signed up for by pressing blue. Pressing red is as though you just ignored the whole stupid fiasco to begin with. The only people who are at risk of dying are those that voluntarily placed themselves in that position, without compulsion, with no gun to their head, just because of their misunderstanding and suicidal altruism.
>>534161728It's seize, not sieze
>>534162483I would mourn my mother on the understanding that she would never in a million years want me to risk my life to counteract her stupidity.
>>534162412>why would you pick the latter?What if your mom and wife both picked blue before you could stop them. THAT is the point the moral decision actually affects you and have a stake in it, now you are invested. Choose red now and you are throwing the lives away of your loved ones
it's simple as fuckpushed red - you have Talmudic valuespushed blue - you have white empathy
>>534162570>Again, I can confidently assert that no matter what, blue-button pushers will be the minority.Every poll with more than 50 people proves you wrong, but I know your feelings triumph actual data.You're not wrong, it's just performative kindness on anonymous polling.
>>534162483>Hmm I'm a mother>Should I press the "live" button and trust my kid to have more than 45 iq and do the same>Or press the "may die" button and risk my life and make my kids orphans ?
>>534162655And here on display we have the nu-antisemite, the liberal that has been taking babby red pills but only because they think israel are evil white oppressors. Quite common these days.
>>534162493>Heeeey, down here! Jump in, someone might get stuck in this pit! We gotta save them!How much of this button argument is simply because they chose Blue vs Red instead of any other colours and it triggered "vote blue no matter who" retards?
>>534158926Scroll through xitter and all the redniggas have an american flag, wall street/crypto shit or israel flags. Third world flags all vote blue.
>>534162678You are daft if you think that people voting in a poll is the same as doing it in real life. This is a risk-free virtue signal remember.
>>534162625She wouldn't want you to be a hero? Then I can see how you turned out this way. You're probably a Muslim terrorist.
>>534162506I had to sue an internet shop for not delivering my order to get my money back. I am still at loss due to court expenses, so I won't be withdrawing the lawsuit until they pay them back as well.Sons of bitches can eat shit after they ignored all the pleas for money I didn't have to pay.Other than that, our free healthcare system has murdered my grandmother, and the world has moved on from accepting China's stance that they don't need to even issue an apology for not warning us earlier about Covid.I am trusting the society enough when I pay my taxes and earn money through honest means. I am under no obligation to put myself at the risk of getting screwed over, and I have no rational reason to trust you aren't trying to do so right now.
>>534162641What if my mom and wife both put a gun to their heads and then demanded I did the same or they'd blow their fucking brains out?Yeah, I'll let them go thanks.
>>534162346I agree that significant portion of blue buttoners are retards who are conditioned to choose blue over Red whenever presented with a choice between them in whatever context, but there are some legit reasons that I could see myself pressing blue button. Namely to save children who lacked the ability to make an informed choise to exercise their free will. Forcing the vote on a baby too young to understand the options robs that baby of their free will and they are therefore innocent, and I would sacrifice myself to save an innocent baby. Anyone else who made an informed decision to press blue? Let them kill themselves.
>>534162295They will.>>534162386The idea that it is evil to expect other people to also be self-sacrificially moral is retarded. Just pure, unapologetic degeneracy. Unsurprising of this site though.>>534162480>the stupid assumption thatNot a stupid assumption.>purposefully and cynically pretending to be retardedI am smarter than you.>>534162655Jewish mystics are literally less Hebrew than you if you pick red. It's so Jewish Jews will blush.
>>534162721>Third world flags all vote blue.the ones online, for every forever online blue pressing brown person, there are 10 red pressers that work back breaking jobs trying to get by, not having the time to be indoctrinated into your cult
>>534162698Spot the joo.
>>534162726Risking your life to potentially save people from their own suicidal stupidity is not heroism. At some point you're just indulging that stupidity. Push blue dumb dumb. Nobody cares.
>>534162641Then won't >BUT WHAT IFthey won't (and if I didn't had a breakfast I would be hungry) because I know them and they aren't retarded enought to pick the "may die" button over the "live 100% chance" button>>534162655>white empathyYou know what? We should cut back on this. It works with animals but not with rapefugees. That's why our countries are being destroyed. We should clean everything up, deal with the criminals and drug addicts, and also with those with a morbid empathy that led us here.
>>534159295Blue is the manifestation of wanting others to do the work for them. They refuse to accept a world where everyone is responsible for themselves, with their own agency. That's why they refuse to recognize the logical aspect of the question.It's just slave/feminine morality. Wanting to believe no one has agency and is never responsible for fuckups.
>Riggers trying to cope with them being the scum of society and the low trust factor and is all "me me me me">Blue "I won't kill people for the sake of it and I trust my fellow man to do the same"And as the experiment have shown many times, the blue man and his excellent moral character stands above and beyond the rigger.
>>534154418No actually, jews destroyed high trust societies and filled our lands with non-whites. Thanks for pretending not to know that and victim blaming people because they aren't insane lunatics.
>>534162749It's the duty of family members to instruct loved ones to pick the right choice. In a just world we'd try to hunt down whoever is running this experiment. Blue pressers would choose the side of the people running the experiment.
>>534162594>>534162599In the hypothetical I have, there is no asking everyone to risk their life, it's a private vote you have to take with everyone else at the moment it's asked, right NOW. If you give people time to rationalize the situation, talk to their family members about what to do, and see what the general atmosphere is like, then red would be more likely to win out, but again, only if everyone votes at the same time.If it's believed that some people already voted before you did, especially a family member, AND you knew that they pushed blue because they told you, the remaining vote would be a blue landslide. All in all, I think it depends on the actual situation. It needs to be more clear.
>>534162771>Not a stupid assumptionAbsolutelty a stupid assumption >I am smarter than you. You are too dumb to write a proper rebuttal.You have no argument against the point that nobody can be sure that you would vote blue only in a no stakes situation
>>534159352They press blue because the vote is fake. Push comes to shove they will not risk their lives, thinking someone else will just do it for them.Also it's probably all femoids
>>534162749>I would sacrifice myself to save an innocent babyI would for mine or my nephew, not for a stranger, I have peoples who count on me I can't afford to die for a random nigglet
It is not enough for me to live, others must die
>>534162725>virtue signalVirtue signal to fucking who? Why can't you redfags just cope that you picked the superior option, why do you need to pretend all of humanity is as buckbroken as yourself but pretending?It doesn't say who voted for what, it's people at that moment pressing the button they're rotating 360 degrees in their mind you clown.The only way you're seeing red winning is if you poll by a country to country basis and you're in countries like India, Israel, and Eastern Europe.
>>534162806It's not just potentially saving people though, it's also the chance to escape a world full of red button pushing Talmudists and Muslim terrorists.
>>534160763It doesn't "remain exactly the same otherwise". Every one removes the agency of the people pressing the red button, which is an action explicitly stated to carry the risk of killing people. Somehow, EVERY SINGLE FUCKING EXAMPLE eliminates the red button from the equation, which I find extremely strange that you'd justify a behavior where evrey time you do, you pose a hypothetical where the behavior is removed.
>>534162781Twitter in general is full of unserious retarded attention whores. They're not pressing blue. I can't believe this is a big debate here.
>>534159647You are a literal pea brained propagandized retard. The third worlders you see around you are the gutter trash that abandoned their home to be ghetto slaves in the west, excluding students/educated workers. Everyone here votes blue with no hesitation, and even if we hate zionists and would kill them in a heartbeat, we know those types would never press blue. I'm posting from Algeria by the way but I'm blocked all of a sudden.
>>534162771But pressing red in this specific scenario doesn't preclude someone from being self-sacrificially moral. That's where your stupidity shows. I refuse to opt in to a suicide lottery. It doesn't mean that I wouldn't lay down my life to save my friends or loved ones. That you think it does shows your misunderstanding of this whole hypothetical. I'm pushing red because I will not be compelled to enter into a death lottery that no one at all needed to enter. It's not the same as saying I would never lay down my life to protect someone else. But you're a bit thick so I get that you don't understand that distinction.Change the question to:Press RED to live but your family dies.Press BLUE to die but your family lives.See how many RED pushers from the OP scenario press BLUE in the new scenario without a moments hesitation. Again, you're confused by this. You conflate people who don't want to take needless suicidal risks to save other people who have taken a needless suicidal risk with people not being prepared to sacrifice to save others. It's not the same equation. That's what BLUE pushers don't understand. They think everyone chosing RED is a puppy torturing psychopath. We're not. We just won't be compelled to potentially throw our lives away to save people from a situation they never had to put themselves in to begin with.
>>534162815Red >Be responsible for yourself and your destiny Blue >Be a parasite who believes they deserve for others to take unnecessary risks for youJust don't press the "may die lmao" button anon, it's not that hardEveryone has the choice; you're not responsible if others are retarded or suicidal.
>>534162872The inplication is that once you became aware of the vote, you cannot communicate about the vote with anyone else. Your duty is to teach your loved ones to take care of themselves first and foremost in their daily lives, because a dead person can't help anyone else.
>>534162904>Virtue signal to fucking who? To everyone ITT you are trying to demoralize into picking a retarded option you wouldn't in the situation of actual stakes being involved
>>534156622>Note that in this scale, the number you select includes the numbers below it as well. So, if you select 10 (all mammals), you are also including numbers 1-9 (up to 'all people on all continents') in your moral circle.
>>534160459Blue has a completely emotional response, because for them it was never a choice, their brain cannot accept it to be a choice, so to them they're "being killed"
Red: People who oppose uniparty 'democracy'Blue: NPCs controlled by media
>>534154418I realize that blue introduces death, but I'm pressing blue since I don't trust people to press red, and I would like to save the blue button pushers.
>>534162949Ok Let's get this straight - in theory you should push blue, but in reality you should push red.
>>534154418So red button = people dieAnd blue button = no one dies>someone should secretly switch the buttons so all the evil people die
>>534161433>Your responsibility It is everyone's responsibility to help each other out.
>>534162892I would risk sacrificing myself for a random person as long as I knew that person was placed in mortal peril not out of their own free will.I'm a waste of space garbage human being. At least I could die knowing I saved someone innocent.
>>534163000yes you get it. They hate free will. They don't want any responsibility.
>>534162874>If you give people time to rationalize>Rationalize You do it automatically in 4 seconds after reading the statement: two choices, two possibilities, two lines. Literally anyone with an IQ above 12 will understand that voting red = no risk, voting blue = risk in less than 10 seconds.
>>534163046It's almost exactly the opposite of that.Red - no one diesBlue - potentially everyone that pushes this dies, but also potentially no one diesPurely logically there's no advantage to pressing blue on the individual level. Those that have pushed it, have done it to themselves.
>>534162928>remain exactly the same otherwiseIt doesYou either press the "100% chance to live" or the "may die button">red button, which is an action explicitly stated to carry the risk of killing peopleIt doesn't, they killed themself, they were able to press the "not die" button but they didn't, you are not responsible for the potential suicide of a stranger.Just don't press the "risk my life" button anon
>>534163059>>534163170You know for a fact that someone you love pressed blue. Will you press blue or red knowing that?
>red is the bad guy button so i MUST press it, as i am a zased contrarian!
>>534162981>if you say you care all mammals you also care about your family Even with this logic you state that you care about every single mammal just as much as you care about any family member. So, in a trolley problem where either X members of your family die or X+1 random mammals die, you let your family die because you are saving the larger group of just as much valued membersThat's the price tag you are attaching to your family. Just as much valued as any other mammal
>>534162698>Anti-semiteYou are still playing the game they made for you.
>>534163059In the moment, it's only going to be:>people will not die>people will dieMost people are not going to vote for people to die, unless there's enough evidence that blue just has no chance, in which case they'd vote red just to not be suicidal.
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>>534163222Some people in the thread are giving me that vibe, but let's not be fallacious and apply it to all red pressers.
>>534163215You know for a fact that over 50% have already pressed Red, so that now pressing Blue is guaranteed death. Will you press blue or red knowing that?Knowing how others voted totally changes the question.
I could have predicted everything a blue presser would say in these threads. They don't have original thoughts, they operate purely by programming from liberal clown media.
>>534162974>you are trying to demoralize into picking a retarded optionHow in the ever loving fuck am I demoralizing anyone?You're terminally online and live in a bubble of social rejects. This red button blue button shit is returning the shopping cart taken to an extreme.You're not more fit than others, you're not more intelligent than others, and ironically enough if redfags win society itself no longer continues to function because only the selfserving will be left.You're getting all the dysfunction of the turd world with all the handclasping of the kikes, thrust into the lowest levels of trust and knowing everyone else would kill you in a heartbeat if there was no consequences or if the benefit was good enough.Did I mention how fucking brown it'd all be, too? THAT alone should be demoralizing; you're going to wake up and find out that 80% of your country just died and now it's being taken over by the foreign hordes who'd slash your throat in an instant.
>>534163048No, not when others take an insane and unnecessary risk and expect you to do the same. (See the COVID vaccine: vaccinated people wanted to force unvaccinated people to get it because "it's not fair; if something happens, I want it to happen to everyone, not just me because I made a mistake.")
>>534159241look at this graph, it illustrates every possible scenario.>f is a function that denotes how the percentage of survivors changes with respect to the percentage of red presses out of all presses. when red presses are below 50%, everyone survives. when above, it scales linearly with the number of red presses.>g is a function that denotes how the percentage of survivors changes with respect to the percentage of blue presses. when blue presses are below 50%, it scales linearly with the number of red presses.>the integrals on the side show the average percentage of survivorsas you can see, red and blue are mirror images of each other, and the average amount of survivors is exactly the same.blue pressers' goal is to altruistic, save as many as possible. red pressers' goal is selfish, guarantee to save themselves.however, as you can see, in terms of number of survivors, blue pressers are identical to red pressers. the only thing that changes is whether you guarantee your own survival (and potential life of regret, or dishonor, or eternal punishment if you are a believer), or you don't guarantee it but avoid regret\dishonor\hell.which is more valuable to you, regret\honor or life? and if you believe in eternal punishment, don't you also believe that self preservation is also a commandment of god?
>>534163215>>534163278Oh and I would still press Red. I have other family members who depend on me.
>>534163278I would press red, since pressing blue would be definite suicide with no benefits whatsoever.
>>534163307>Did I mention how fucking brown it'd all be, too?Do you not understand that browns outnumber whites and thus you'd die according to your own words? You people can't think
>>534163215>you know for the fact that I conviced somebody you love to put their own life at unecessary riskI vote red and track you down to kill you myself because I am 100% certain you also ended up voting red
>>534163278>You know for a fact that over 50% have already pressed Red, so that now pressing Blue is guaranteed death. Will you press blue or red knowing that?Blue presser here, I'd vote red in that case obviously. Then I'd be on board with you guys in saying fuck em lol.
>>534163215Red, it's sad but still not a reason to take a useless risk
>>534162875Here's my rebuttal of that retarded "argument": people do not value their own survival in the way you think. To most people survival is an instinctive path of least resistance, a matter of habit, or functional in service of something they actually value. If it gets reduced to an abstract button-press that could kill them, but also potentially save half the world population, a large portion, very probably the majority, will go for it. Anyone who understands the human condition will acknowledge this. Look at how people behave in crisis situations. People will go out and sacrifice themselves for their beliefs.>>534162962The suicidal risk is not needless. If you can't acknowledge even that basic sacrifice someone makes by pressing red you aren't seriously engaging with the question.>That's what BLUE pushers don't understand. They think everyone chosing RED is a puppy torturing psychopath.This is why I think you're retarded. Your entire reason for pressing red is this idiotic model of what motivates bluepressers and a narcissistic desire to distinguish yourself from that. It's, again, unsurprising for this site.
>>534163240It's will be >Me grug survive>Me grug do not survive
>>534163369centrists are also very predictable but at least they still have thoughts of their own.
>>534163307Reds aren't self-serving though. That's what you don't get. Choosing red in this scenario isn't indicative of someone being 100% selfish and self-serving at all. It just indicates someone who doesn't agree to being needlessly entered into a death lottery. You keep framing it as this moral absolute equation but it's not. There are many reds who would sacrifice themselves for the right reasons. This scenario does not qualify because all those in risk of death have placed themselves in that position out of their own volition. No one forced them to. There's nothing at all at stake until people start pressing Blue. It is amoral to demand that people also place their lives at stake because of the choices of others.
>>534154418>nig fentes really made all the xitter fags vote blue.Its over.
>>534163324>red pressers' goal is selfish, guarantee to save themselves.It's not selfish to save your own life
>>534155262What is the point of this video? It's just a child bobbling its head at the camera.
>>534161891Women shaming men who vote red is the exact same as when they gave them white feathers in ww1.
>>534163227>By moral circle, we mean the circle of people or other entities for which you are concerned about right and wrong done toward themthe choice says nothing about rank (even though the study comes with a built in rank of sorts) or strength of the concern>you let your family die because you are saving the larger group of just as much valued membersif I tell you I'm concerned about a random cat on the street surviving the winter, do you assume I would kill my mother to keep it alive?
>>534163405BUT WHY WOULD ANYONE PRESS BLUE IN THE FIRST PLACE INSTEAD OF RED ?>well, muh retarded niggers and inbreed muslims and aboriginal and those who can't read and...
>>534163324Everyone survives:Blue >50%Red =100%What's more likely: 50%+1 or 100%?
>>534162655red = white intellectblue = talmudic retardationftfy
>>534163438Literally, it's just: >I give you a poisoned pill; if you take it, you die, but if 51% of people take it, then I'll give you the antidote. >You can also just ignore me and the pill.It's not selfish to refuse to play A RETARDED AND ULESS GAME OF DEATH JUST PICK THE "LIVE" OPTION, NOBODY IS FORCING YOU TO TAKE A USELESS AND RETARDED RISK
>>534159765>Do you jump in the blender?This is some weird scenario you concocted that is not the same as the original question. First, there are two blenders.
>>534163329You wouldn't consider pressing blue to try to push it over 50% so that the person you love survives as well?>>534163365I'm leaning blue, but I think the red argument is good as well>>534163374Why is the risk useless?
>>534163429Well, I'm only talking about the blue pressers that'd kill themselves after it's shown there's no hope. I'd feel bad for the ones that voted early, but again, this is all very dependent on the situation. In the Twitter poll, you don't see the results until you vote. It's not centrism.
>>534163363No, I can think just fine, browns will have a higher amount of people voting red because more of them live on the entitled fuckwit mentality, but not all. Worldwide you're going to get more blue than red purely because that's the entire basis of every society that isn't banging sticks and mud together.This entire thing is a social test anon.>>534163438Wall of cope that starts off with factually untrue statement.If you press red you survive you also partake in killing others. You are guaranteeing your own survival by killing someone else.>but no one has to press blue! they're choosing to commit suicide!You are ensuring that they die through your own actions, no one forced you to pick red either.Redfags have to reframe the question 500 times to get people to agree with them for a reason.See >>534163576
christ you guys argued about this to bump limitfuck the button go for a walk in the bush
>>534163405It is absolutely needless. No one had to push the blue button to begin with. No one can be morally compelled to opt in to the death lottery. Those who have pushed the Blue button should accept and understand that they have no moral authority to demand others do the same. They were free to make their choice, others are free to make theirs. You can't judge those not wanting to play the same stupid game you're playing.There are moral reasons to press Red in any case.
>>534159770>is there a button i can press that kills everyone who actually takes this shit seriously enough to even think about itRed button is for you. Short-sighted and incapable of second order effects thinking. Perfect choice!
>>534163602No, it's the same thing: either you jump into the blender and risk your life, or you continue on your way and ignore the blender. If you jump, you potentially die due to an unnecessary risk. If you continue on your way, you survive either way.
>>534163307>social rejects I provide for my family through honest work while abiding the laws of my nation. That's the social contract I have signed for. I did not agree to risk getting myself screwed over, but actually I already had been by both dysfunctional healthcare system and the post-Covid CCP enablers in the entire world.Rant as much you want, one point remains irrefutable: I have no rational reason to believe anyone here guilt tripping people into voting blue intends to vote blue themselves. The only people putting effort into guaranteed survival of others are the ones saying it's better to vote red. If others fail to see the reason it's on them.
>>534161502The entirety of leftist politics is this very concept. Claim to believe things that are perceived by others as morally good to grant yourself authority and obtain a salary for blabbering shit the masses are too stupid to realize aren't what you actually believe.
>>534161572Because you don't get to coordinate with everyone, and if you COULD, it's much easier to coordinate a 50% vote than a 100% one which is strictly impossible
>>534163493>muh retarded niggers and inbreed muslimsWhite liberal humanists and pious Christians will press blue without hesitation. Redpressers are a racially-suspicious American neopagan offshoot. In any case not spiritually or philosophically aligned with the European project.
>>534163624>Worldwide you're going to get more blue than red purely because that's the entire basis of every society that isn't banging sticks and mud together.This belief is what will kill you.
>>534161961>>534159241Every single time. Why are you so predictable?
>>534163624I press red I didn't kill anyone. You press blue you've brought killing into the equation. No one who presses red has killed anyone or engineered any situation in which anyone dies. That's all in the hands of those that push Blue. Blue pushes have signed up to maybe die. That's all it is. Reds are not morally responsible for that and you cannot state that they're committing murder by not agreeing to be party to this nonsense.
>>534163323This is exactly what I'm talking about. The real world scenario was Covid. Forget the vaccine, the people who were extremely anti vax and anti lockdown are also the ones who refused to wear masks at the start. Especially those who were not old or at risk. You are right in that red pushers and the anti vaxxers, that I definitely agree with.
>>534163608>Why is the risk useless?You risk your life unnecessarily by choosing the option "I risk my life unnecessarily" instead of "I don't risk my life unnecessarily." You are not responsible if others decide to take an unnecessary risk; everyone takes responsibility for their own actions.There's nothing to be gained from voting blue initially; it's simply a risk that could morally compel others with suicidal tendencies to take a risk. Voting blue is selfish.
>>534163173"I pressed the 'blue button pressers die' button but they killed themselves"This is why every single one of your attempts at reframing removes the red button entirely.
>>534162904Retard you just referred to polls on social media, where people will obviously have public moral arguments about it
>>534163624>Redfags have to reframe the question 500 timesIt's literally the same thing, you either choose red or blue. Red >Red wins, you survive >Blue wins, you survive Blue >Red wins, you die >Blue wins, you survive Exactly the same thing
>>534163663It's very interesting because I would probably agree with most red anons in this thread on other topics, but I still pressed blue. I think that's the case for most blue pushers ITT too. It really just depends on the situation.
>>534163726I agree with you. There is nothing to be gained from pressing blue initially. Blue introduces death, and pressing red only causes the death of blue as a second order effect. But my though process is that there will be people who will press blue, and since 50%+1 is more likely than 100%, it would be more better to press blue if the goal is to maximize the chance everyone survives. What do you think?
>>534163647"So guys, we all agree, we're all gonna jump down the bridge ok? Alright, 3, 2, 1, Go! WAIT WHY AREN'T YOU GUYS JUMPING LIKE WE SAID? AAAAAAHHCK"
>>534154418Throughout the entire history of mankind, society has been mostly composed of blue button pressers. Whenever a situation like the one presented in the poll has happened, the bluebuttonites have won. The real dilemma starts after the situation has been resolved, when most blues, blinded by the nature of their choice (picking the blue button in the poll is the objectively good moral and logical choice), start persecuting redbuttonites for their immorality and selfishness. If any bluebuttonite dares criticize their fellow blue button pressers for acting against their own morality (persecutting reds for their stupid/malicious/random choice), they´ll most likely end up being persecuted as well for refusing to punish those who were wrong.The poll and the discussion around it expose the cycle in which human societies have been stuck for centuries, joining forces for the common good to then do evil by stripping those who didn´t help or cuestioned societý´s behavior of their humanity. Ironically, if most people made the wrong choice (pressing red, killing all blue pressers), this cycle could be broken and would lead to consequences we can only imagine. Would it lead to chaos and destruction? Could redbuttonites preserve or rebuild society? Would humanity go extinct?Those are questions for (You) to answer.
>>534163441if the red button press would save one life, but its a random person and not guaranteed to be you or somebody you know, would you still press it? prioritizing yourself is selfish. even if your reason to save yourself is so you can be there for your loved ones, it is still selfish because you are putting your loved ones over somebody else's.>>534163540look at the averages again. the likelihood of (You), a lone individual, saving everyone by pressing blue is the same as anyone else pressing red. the amount of survivors has the same distribution regardless of if (You) prioritize red or blue. therefore, pressing blue has no merit if we are merely talking about expected amount of survivors.
>>534163647But again, if some choose to risk their lives WITHOUT ANY GAIN, that's their problem. They are responsible for themselves and their choices. Expecting others to also risk their lives unnecessarily to save you is selfish. There's no need to coordinate; you only need an IQ of 15 to understand that you can die with one choice and not the other.If they die, then they die.
>>534163722Yes, you are responsible for yourself. If you are at risk for COVID (i.e., old and fat), then you take responsibility and protect yourself: you self-isolate, order your groceries online, and get vaccinated. But you have absolutely no right to demand the same from those who are not at risk. You are the vulnerable one, not the others.
>>534163866I agree with you that it's very likely someone will press Blue, unfortunately, but I still choose Red because I didn't make that choice for them and I don't consent to playing this suicidal game when I don't have to.>>534163879Totally incorrect. Red button is default humanity. Survival instinct got us here, not suicidal altrusim, not people being willing to sign up to a chance to die for absolutely no gain to anyone besides those signing up to die.
>>534163645I'm not guilt tripping anyone, if you think that's what's happening it's because you don't actually feel that emotion and just -think- that's what I'm trying to convey.You're the type of people who are an active burden on society spiritually - akin to the foreigners we must all take care of monetarily.You do your part taxwise, of course, because otherwise you'd go to jail, but not anything more. You see trash discarded in the park and shrug "not your problem"End of the day if redfags win the society won't be worth living in, if bluefags win everything remains the same (which may or may not be a negative to you depending on your social and living status)I'm a firm believer in the good of man more than I am in the selfserving nature of it and put my life in trust to the blueman group.>>534163692t. jeet or jew>>534163720You pressed red contributing to the death of others, this mental gymnastics shit is honestly embarrassing.>>534163789You literally reframed the question bro.
It's a pretty stupid dilemma, but it does have a couple of interesting aspects that you can modify without modifying the core question.First, the buttons abstract away the danger associated with the blue button. Because that's what it is. To you, personally, picking blue is dangerous, and replacing the button with a meat grinder makes the people picking blue flip out precisely because they know they'd never jump in it. The danger is concrete rather than abstract.Second, the 50% part. 50% is just a nice round number to use for this dilemma. If you change it to 40% or 60%, it's exactly the same dilemma, namely - what are your a-priori beliefs about humanity and how much risk are you willing to put yourself in to save others who did the same. Personally, I don't have enough faith to push the blue button if the percentage required for blue is anywhere above 1%. 50% is way too fucking optimistic.By the way, to anybody who unironically think twitter polls mean anything on this, you are a straight up retard. Most of the people virtue signalling they'd pick blue, faced with this actual situation, would pick red.
>>534163888>pressing blue has no merit if we are merely talking about expected amount of survivors.unless you can coordinate a large amount of people with high trust before pressing, or you are confident that you can blindly trust 50% of the world's population to press blue.can you, without a shadow of a doubt, say that you can meet either of those criteria? if not, pressing blue has no merit mathematically and would require introducing factors such as regret or eternal punishment to make it the favorable strategy.
>>534163866>and pressing red only causes the death of blue as a second order effectIt doesn'tBlue is suicide, not your responsibility>50%+1 is more likely than 100%Not my problem, everyone is free to choose the "NOT DIE" button, if they die by taking the "MAY DIE" button, it's not my problemJust like the junkies using crack isn't my problem, you're a big boy, choose for yourself
god i wish this thing happened for real and all the bluetards willingly kill themselves
>>534163982You press blue contributing to the death of yourself. It's all mental gymnastics that's the point of the hypothetical numb nuts.
>>534163629>No one can be morally compelled to opt in to the death lottery.Absolutely they can. Look where cultural liberalism has brought us: it's not enough that the state is prevented from infringing people's right to life, now you can't even posit the moral demand. That's pure degeneracy there's no other way to look at it.
>>534163888>prioritizing yourself is selfishIt's not, it's being normal, you prioritize yourself, your family, and your close circle; everything else comes second. It's good if you save a stranger, but if it means risking your life unnecessarily, no. Everyone had the choice to press the "do not die" button; it's not selfish to press it and wait for others to do the same.
>>534164049I picked blue, risking my own life.You picked red, saving your own and risking the death of many.Attempt to explain this Michael after you die and how you weren't at fault for the deaths of others.
>>534163488>if I tell you I'm concerned about a random cat on the street surviving the winter, do you assume I would kill my mother to keep it alive?If you care about the cat not being wronged you care about it not being killed to feed your hungry mother when there is no other food available.If you are willing to kill the cat to feed your hungry mother you don't care about it not getting wronged unconditionally. >inb4 but I care about a cat not getting mistreated in a non extreme situationCool but the study offers binary care or don't care options. It's a retarded study that proves fucking nothing because people can differ in imagination and the implications of your answers aren't clearly stated. But a possible logical reading of the care option means every single scenario.
>>534163888>if the red button press would save one life, but its a random person and not guaranteed to be you or somebody you know, would you still press it?And then no I would press blue since it's provide me more chance to not die (can need 100% to save me by red pressing but only 51% by blue)But you're changing the subject by changing the dilemma.
>>534163969>Red button is default humanity. Survival instinct got us here, not suicidal altrusim, not people being willing to sign up to a chance to die for absolutely no gain to anyone besides those signing up to die.You just described all of human history.Altruism is what got us here. Men willing to die for their tribe ensured that the tribe didn't get wiped out because the tribe would take care of everyone in the tribe.This hypothetical scenario presented to us warps that because it isn't about directly sacrificing yourself for the tribe anymore to protect them from some outside threat. In this scenario by pressing blue you are mostly trying to save members of your tribe from killing themselves.
>>534163982>You literally reframed the question broI didn't you faggot, it's either>Do nothing>Take a risk, die unless 51% take the riskLitteraly the same thing you nigger
>>534163879Great men create a legacy of blue buttoning. That's why Rome had the power it had. It was an unending legacy of venerating blue buttoners.It's also why nationalism is important, you stop focusing on great men who sacrificed themselves for their own people, you lose the nation in a slow process.The fall of rome started with the pax romana. 200 years of no great men leading the sacrifice is the same as having no nation at all. All remains is an outdated myth of people far too detached from you that will not move you to action.For this exact reason, filling a nation of bluebuttoners with redbuttoners (niggers) has such a strong impact, kill nationalism, and makes jews thrive.Now, blue buttoning for your own people and their legacy is one thing, but bluebuttoning for a faceless mass of migrant worshippers and thriving jews? Fuck no.
>>534164175>picked red, saving your own and risking the death of manyI didn't, they picked the risk themself
>>534163982>You see trash discarded in the park and shrug "not your problem" Utterly false presumption about me based on nothing more than my unwillingness to unnecessary risk myself being screwed over for no gain.You are guilt tripping and you are doing it through retarded hyperbolic arguments
>>534164211>If you care about the cat not being wronged you care about it not being killed to feed your hungry mother when there is no other food available.No you don'tYou want to take care of the cat as a luxury because you have the resources, but in a crisis, it's too bad for the cat, especially if it's not yours and you've watched it grow up.
>>534163969I disagree. While survival instinct did play a significant role in creating societies, suicidal altruism was always the factor that kept it going. Self sacrifice, whether minor (using your time and effort to help someone else or fulfill your societal role) or major (putting your life at risk to save your nation or a person), has always been necessary for a society to survive long-term and get us where we are today.
>>534163888I don't see how then. In one case you only need to get half the people to press blue, and in the other you need 100%.
>>534164237>Altruism is what got us here. Men willing to die for their tribe ensured that the tribe didn't get wiped out because the tribe would take care of everyone in the tribeIf the tribe is composed of retards choosing to take a completely unnecessary risk with no gain, then it deserves to disappear.
>>534164263>actually I didn't reframe it>here I am reframing itstarting to think redfags might be stupid bros.>>534164301All actions have consequences, whether or not you want to admit it.>>534164303>Utterly false presumption about me based on nothing more than my unwillingness to unnecessary risk myself being screwed over for no gain.Yes, that's the point, negro of Europe.You picked the selfserving option so you're likely to be a selfserving person. Do you pick up stray trash you see? Do you volunteer your time to help others? Do you donate to charity?Nothing I've wrote is in any way guilt tripping you sociopath.
>>534163982>You see trash discarded in the park and shrug "not your problem"Huh? No, because I do enjoy a clean and healthy environment, I don't enjoy risking my life unnecessarily, you're delusional
>>534164398I agree. Altruism only works against external threats. If members of your own tribe decide to jump off a cliff, it makes no sense to try to cushion their fall with your own body.
>>534164437Yeah ok, you're either a troll or a nigger-lover
>>534164472>or a nigger loverBut if red wins you'd be surrounded by nothing but niggers, both physically and spiritually.Are you one of those /pol/ posters with the false pretense that bluefags just so happen to be all the people you dislike?
>>534163869>We choose not to shoot anyone? ok? OK.FTFY
>>534164437Yeah, and pressing the blue button has the consequence of death, while pressing the red has the consequence of living
>>534164459>altruism is only valuable if it's violentThis is the logical endpoint of right-wing politics. We've reached it. We can go home.
>>534163966We have a foundational disagreement in values. If we cooperate I believe we all win, even the selfish people. The success of capitalism was catalyzing the selfish ambitious people into making productive businesses that help everybody, until the system was corrupted. A societies success hinges on manipulating the 30-40% of red buttoners/anti vaxxers/ miggers into working for the greater good, thinking they are working for themselves, which they are, because they are working for the greater good.
>>534164169I don't mean "selfish" in a negative way. selfish behavior is just a part of life, objectively an instinct that most living creatures have. whether its bad or not depends on your own beliefs. I'm personally a red presser because I think my own life and my family's and friend's should be the priority.>>534164231wait, why are you replying to me twice?anyway, if you think I was changing the subject with that examples, then you didn't understand my point. the new dilemma's introduction was intended to illustrate the self-prioritization of red presses in the original dilemma, aka "selfishness".>>534164392I've run the numbers for you. unless your goal is to save 100% of people and anything below that is a complete failure, neither strategy is superior to the other in terms of saving a certain amount of people, because the distribution of possible scenarios per each option is the exact same but mirrored.TLDR:1) if your goal is to guarantee your own survival, always choose red.2) if your goal is to guarantee 100% of people survive, always choose blue.3) if your goal is to save as many people as possible ON AVERAGE (aka minimize risk of not reaching 50% blue), neither strategy is superior, but one guarantees your survival (red) while the other doesn't (blue).
>>534164472you should stop wasting your time trying to argue with these retards my brother in baguette, they are lemmings with a death wish, expect these lemmings will scream at you for not endangering your life for no reasonthis is the greatest IQ test of all time, let them fail it so that you can easily tell meat drones from actual people
Those picking Blue... How many of you chose blue because you think it's likely to win? You think you're morally superior and self-sacrifical but how far does that go really, if you're being honest with yourself?Change the scenario.You press Red, you live but 10,000 die.You press Blue, you die but 10,000 live.That's pretty easy right? Any 'good' person chooses to sacrifice themselves to save 10,000 innocents who did nothing to place themselves in mortal danger.Let's make it harder.You press red, you live, 10 random people die.You press blue, you die, 10 random people live.Still easy for you? 10 is worth more than 1 right? Still fairly straight forward for a moral person.How about:You press red, you live, a random person dies.You press blue, you die, a random person lives.Now be honest. There's no chance pressing blue wins and you all live and sing kumbaya. Nope, here you either die or let someone else die. How easy is that decision to make for you, o wise and moral person?How many RED pushers from the original scenario would sacrifice themself 100% to save a random life, how many BLUE?... I'd wager the numbers would look very different.In OP scenario it's not really moral at all to push BLUE if you're assuming it's going to win anyway. All you've done is demand others join your death lottery. When it's your life for another are you so sure you'd do the 'right' thing?
>>534164677Obviously prioritising blue is how you save as many people as possible, 100% of them
>>534164677>unless your goal is to save 100% of people and anything below that is a complete failureThat's what I've been talking about.
>>534164286so trve. I´m still intrigued by what would happen if a society, somehow, ended up redbuttoning itself.
>>534164741>HAHA, you pick blue because you think you'll actually save people, but if you didn't save people you wouldn't press blue! Checkmate! I am very smart!
>>534164756then answer this question >>534164034
>>534164677But no. 2) if your goal is to guarantee 100% of people survive, always choose blue.You're assuming blue wins. There's no guarantee. You could well be throwing your life away for nothing to try and save others who have thrown their life away for nothing. If you assumed that Red, based on human nature, would be likely to win, do you still vote Blue because it's technically the right thing to do? How many push blue because they're assuming enough people would do the same and don't admit the very likely possibility that they'd be pushing to kill themselves?
>>534164792You didn't answer.Your life for a random person's life. What do you choose? How moral are you?
>>534164799I'm not 100% confident. What do you think?
>>534164737>im high IQ because I choose the option to not dieIt's not an IQ test; which I further am convinced you score a standard deviation lower on going by a statement like that.>>534164654No shit you abo fuck, hence >>534164175
The more I see the opinions of conservatives and reactionaries, the more I'm forced to acknowledge that most of them lack souls.
>>534156483Go back to the 60s and the end of immigration quotas
>>534163879You will notice that the difference between Rome and Carthage was that Rome by the time of the punic wars had already a century of legacy of army commanders who fought for Rome's glory that were funneled directly into politics. A politician was a great man with history behind their backs.Now Carthage politicians were just merchant olygarchs (just like the west now), who fielded an army of external people with no loyalty (they even sieged carthage at times lmao)When Rome lost entire legions, they managed to field new ones right after, an inhuman feat that can only happen through the pasts' legacy.Hannibal had everything on his side, he had won battle after battle and held all of rome under siege, yet rome didn't budge.This is not what we have anymore. We live in carthage and blue buttoning for carthage is retarded.
>>534164036Yeah I'm just not sure then. There are good arguments for either button. I'd like to see everyone survive is the thing.
>>534164741To answer your question, I'd still press blue, and it'd honestly be an easier choice. The hardest part of the OP question is the doubt. Your question erases that doubt.
>>534164893138 IQ tested by a psychiatrist, too bad for you le 56% creatura :')
>>534164883no. a lot of people are selfish. a lot of people are retards and will choose randomly. you cannot guarantee anything other than your own choices. therefore I pick red.if the scenario was something like 30 people that you know, or 30 people you get to coordinate with, then the answer would be different. but we are talking about 8 billion people here, you can't control anything at that scale.
>>534164948wow /pol/ sure is filled with 130+ iq, super handsome, ultra sex havers with untold amounts of wealth and girlfriends half their agewhat are the chances of that?
Leftist don't believe anything that does support their own bias and call it science. So 8 cops come and go. I get arrested by the two women proactive hires that want to make an arrest. It doesn't have a face I don't like it
>>534164979>stage 1 : denial
This is property of facebook.Goyim are not allowed to own anything.Then shove it far up your god damn kike ass.Omg this is exactly like the Holocaust.>>534165048
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>>534154418I'm convinced people just don't understand the question. The only benefit of choosing blue is that you cuck the hypothetical 1-49% of blue people that wanted to die or were to stupid to understand the question.
>>534165110I stole that far and square from you goyim it has no place far up my ass.
>>534156738You are creating a false equivalence of choosing to press the red button and being "low trust"Even assuming that's true (which is isn't btw) 50% is already much too high, society would collapse at 10%
>>534165252Take over control of both buttons. Everyone that doesn't get a pass to touch the blue button dies.It's called talking control of the source.
>>534164677>If 50+% press blue, everyone lives.>If 50+% press red, only reds live.And still that anon said that red isn't selfish. It is the definition of selfishness. At least you acknowledge that. This shows you that politics enthusiasts will argue anything and its opposite to "win".
>>534165324I don't speak schizo can you get gemini to translate it into english?>I refuse to play your game. I am going to seize the mechanism of the experiment and use it to decide who lives and who dies.Is that what you meant to say? I don't see how it's relevant to my post beyond the substring "false equivalence" that you are taking out of context. Stop evading.
I am legit starting to think that if the buttons were yellow and grey or something that the conversation woul dbe difficult because a lot of people are so stupid they think this is about democrats and republicans
>>534165123you are right, but a lot of people don't understand or choose at random (children, babies, retards). blue tries to save those, while red lets them risk randomly choosing blue and dying because the threshold wasn't met.
>>5341655091. Consent is a jewish lie. All people are capable of choosing on their own. If you aren't, then you aren't a person. 2. If you are incapable of understanding the explanation then you don't get to choose, otherwise someone running this experiment could just opt to not explain anything and change the colors.
>>534165696>>534165509Or make the explanation so complicated that nobody understands it.
>>534162974>you wouldn't in the situation of actual stakes being involvedRigger cope
>>534162357>Already asked her when I saw this shit years ago on twitter, she said that you must be retarded to pick blueI don't think that's fair.A lot of moms in particular hear this question and just want to do the thing that's kind and best for everyone and, at first glance, that looks like the blue button.That's not a bad trait for moms to have. A little self-sacrifice and risk for the greater good is how humanity survived as a social species. Notice I said a little, not a lot. However if you explain why the red button is best and they still choose blue out of suicidal empathy, that's a problem.
You've already lost, redcels. You are never going to kill anyone.
>>534160615If you value life so much, why did you vote for introducing death to the equation? Red has 100% survival rate.
>>534154418But even if there is a high trust society, there is zero reason to push the blue button.
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>>534166449It's very easy to cast a vote for blue in a hypothetical with no actual fear of death and the misguided assumption that humanity has disney morality and 'good always triumphs' and that it's a foregone conclusion that blue wins.A lot of blue voters are voting thus because there's no actual consequence and they assume blue will win and thus do not consider dying to be a realistic scenario anyway.At least reds are honest with themselves.
>>534166761>404'dFinally jannies doing their job
