TLDR the early internet Atheist movement was a movement based on the idea that Atheism is scientifically correct as there isn’t yet scientific evidence for god. They mostly focused on muslims being bad and low IQ conservatives shoving Christianity in schools or worshiping Israel.Jen McCreight founded the Atheism plus movement. TLDR the original woke SJW movement which said you have to be a progressive blm/trans rights/ feminist etc as well not just an atheist. Soon after the atheism movement collapsed and we head into the era of Trumps election campaign and gamer gate.I just noticed the woman who created atheism plus transitioned to a man.
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>>534156604These raped zogslaves literally exist in a world of perpetual Jew manufactured psychosis. It's horrifying. The pull of the herd is too strong for them, and BlackRock Jews and media Jews direct the herd. In the end, they were more mindless than the Christians they criticised
>>534156593kek
I only ever knew Atheism+ was a thing from Thunderf00t calling them retarded like 12 years ago.
>>534156593To be honest, I don’t see what the fundamental differences are between atheism and faith, since atheists do believe in something after all; namely, in chance and chaos. In other words, their God is simply faceless and without purpose. He has given them no meaning – congratulations on that. The normative expansion of the battleground, however, takes atheists into the strangest of realms: a curious avant-garde of eugenic self-realisation experiments, perhaps unconsciously challenging the void of their god of chance.
>>534157427>atheists do believe in something after allAtheism is a disbelief or lack of belief in God or gods
>>534156593>>534156593Of course this retarded movement collapsed. You cant force conviction and dogma on those who make their own rules.
>>534157917You haven’t understood my comment. For atheists, the absence of God has a substitute: chance.
>>534158784>For atheists, the absence of God has a substitute: chance.Nah, cause and effect and reasonable expectations
>>534156593Leftists replaced religion with worshipping science and wokeism. That doesn't make science any less correct or deism any less retarded. Actually it probably does from a probabilistic perspective, but not enough to actually matter.
>>534156593>>534156604Idk what atheism+ is but good for him
>>534156593>Atheism is scientifically correct
>>534157427>since atheists do believe in something after all; namely, in chance and chaosyou fundamentally misunderstand atheism. atheists don't 'believe' in anything. they observe and make predictions and test those predictions. if they can't observe something and can't make testable predictions then it isn't scientific. there's actually a fundamental flaw in the scientific method right there if you are smart enough to spot it.
>>534156593>atheist is a trannymany such cases!
>>534159127>atheists don't 'believe' in anything.I believe in a lot of things. God or gods isn't one of them..
>>534159250>I believe in a lot of things. God or gods isn't one of them..ah yeah I wasn't talking about heckin science reddit atheists. actual atheists
>>534159127At this point, we may need to distinguish between metaphysical atheism and epistemic atheism. My comment refers to the former: if God is interpreted as a specific transcendental concept, then denying him as a concept is itself a form of belief. The methodological perspective sets the question aside and, strictly speaking, does not even address the problem of ‘God’.
>>534159383>actual atheistsBelieve in a lot of things
>>534159490>then denying him as a concept is itself a form of belief.Disbelief
>>534159127Analysis of the Rebuttal>"atheists don't 'believe' in anything. they observe and make predictions and test those predictions... there's actually a fundamental flaw in the scientific method right there"1. The Conflation of Atheism and ScienceThe rebuttal makes a category error.* Atheism is a single position on a single ontological question: "Does a god exist?"* Science is a methodology for investigating the natural world.* The Flaw: An atheist can be unscientific (e.g., believing in ghosts or astrology), and a scientist can be a theist. By tethering atheism strictly to the scientific method, the rebuttal claims a ground that atheism doesn't inherently occupy.2. The "Hidden Flaw": The Problem of InductionThe rebuttal mentions a "fundamental flaw" in the scientific method. This is likely a reference to the Problem of Induction, famously articulated by David Hume.* The Logic: Science assumes that because the sun has risen every day, it will rise tomorrow. However, there is no purely logical (deductive) reason to prove the future will resemble the past.* The "Smart" Spot: To use the scientific method, one must presume the uniformity of nature. Since you cannot use the scientific method to prove the scientific method without circular reasoning, the rebuttal accidentally admits that atheists/scientists do operate on a foundational "belief" or "axiom" after all.Summary VerdictThe exchange is logically messy. The Statement fails by mischaracterizing atheism as a worship of randomness. The Rebuttal fails by conflating a lack of theism with a perfect adherence to empiricism, while simultaneously hinting at a "flaw" (the Problem of Induction) that actually validates the Statement's claim that everyone starts with unprovable assumptions.
in my personal experience, atheists are the most insufferable people on this planet, see this Germanon ITT
>>534159490>At this point, we may need to distinguish between metaphysical atheism and epistemic atheism.that would be an ecumenical matter
>>534159792>atheists are the most insufferablevegans are worth altho most of them are both
>>534159713On closer inspection, rejecting faith as a mechanism in itself does not really resolve the dilemma either: for what is the definition of certain, true knowledge?
>>534160410>resolve the dilemma eitherWhats the "dilemma" exactly?>for what is the definition of certain, true knowledge?The closest thing I can think of in context is gnostic
>>534159776for the sake of order
>>534156593>science head>believes that an XY male can be a womanbelieve in God is not something you can disprove. But ability of men to become women is easily disprovable how's that conundrum working in their minds?
>>534160844>>534156604lmfao and he even has genomicw PhD
>>534160410Exactly. No such thing. I am sure you are aware of the simulation hypothesis - that we are just part of some advanced computer simulation -there is no way to prove that either way. Also possible that you are just a brain in a jar receiving electrical impulses that simulate the world you experience. At the end of the day you must make a judgement call based on the evidence at hand and your experience in the world.
>>534160844>believe in God is not something you can disproveCorrect. I can't disprove you don't believe in a God
>>534160730it's simplereverything else is verbal diarrhea of midwits capable of no more than 2d and single atom depths
>>534161041>At the end of the day you must make a judgement call based on the evidence at hand and your experience in the world.Exactly
>>534161107I assume you call that belief? By that logic everything is a belief, I consider belief to be something that is believed without evidence, such as astrology.
>>534161447>I assume you call that belief?See>>534159250>I believe in a lot of things. God or gods isn't one of them..
>>534157427You are a very smart person. I will be stealing this thought from you, thanks.
>>534161079What the table does not mention is an approach that I find very interesting. God is not seen as an intentional principle (to which atheists react with particular aversion) but as a transcendental necessity, in other words, a kind of ‘cool’ theism.
>>534156593wtf, he passeslooks like a 4/10 normie woman
>>534162215Haha, that’s what I thought at first too, but you have to keep reading. It IS a woman who transitions into a man.
>>534162103what is the purpose of this "debate"?on any level.that's pretty much what the meme represents.i'm in here idk even why, learning to type on a single-handed maltron keyboard...
>>534156593Never heard of it.
Zippertits are so brave.
>>534156593it looks happy so what's your problem?
>>534162727I reckon letting philosophical questions take on a life of their own is a more interesting form of shitposting. The thread could have descended into the usual 'muh Jewish degeneracy', which would have been more tiresome. Cool machine, by the way. Don’t break your fingers.
I believe in things I've seen. I've seen alien ships, so I believe in aliens.I haven't seen Jesus.
>>534163001distorted freak.
>>534163001You're right; if you think of the warts as eyes and the scars as a mouth, even her breasts look quite satisfied.
>>534163042>contexta discussion among peers, sureand even then it's just treading water, burning cyclesbut anyone fancying himself an atheist can't be a peer>don't breakhah too late
>>534163370>anyone fancying himself an atheist can't be a peerWhy exactly?
souls don't make sense. how do they even think or feel, magic?
>>534163295>>534163001
Atheism is the goyslop of religions.
>>534163532>Atheism is the goyslop of religions.
>>534163560Sad thing is, you know it is.
>>534163420if you have to ask, no amount of reasoning can get such a point across.but might i suggest plebbit?
>>534163631You're projecting again veggie whisperer
>>534158784People like you need to be murdered. You're beyond tiresome.
>>534163677I see you don't know either
>>534157427If you make up a strawman scenario of what you decide atheists are then I suppose they can be similar to religious people
>>534156593Your taxes paid for this and your troops died for itYou Should Apply
>>534163681What am I projecting exactly?
>>534163479I was thinking more along those lines
>>534163824Your ignorance
>>534163847Kek
>>534163752you just unwittingly illustrated my point sadly you won't enjoy the irony
>>534163891How so?
>>534163919>still doesn't know Kek>>534163925By you saying >>534163631>you know it is.
>>534163714That's a dead boring argument
These threads have gotten boring as (((atheists))) have given up attempting to prove the starting point of their slop of a religion.
>>534157427case in (my) point: >>534163795
>>534163977>no one plays along with my ignorance
>>534164051And, what, exactly are u doing?
>>534163847you're a real picasso van gogh
>>534164086Hurting your feelings
>>534164121How do u even prove I have feelings, whoa. Bleep, bleep.
>>534163795Further down in the thread, a distinction is drawn between ontological and epistemic atheism. Regarding the former, I would simply say this: An atheist cannot coherently reject a necessary ground of being unless they propose an alternative — and any such alternative rests on assumptions that function like belief, making it semantically equivalent to a ‘god-concept’.
>>534163952a stupid man's report of what a clever man says can never be accurate, because he unconsciously translates what he hears into something he can understand
>>534164163>How do u even prove I have feelings
>>534163977>people who reject (((abrahamic))) nonsense are the real jews
>>534164190And you're the stupid man in this example
>SoiEnCe In PrOgReSs>That same science says you're a manYOU CANNOT MAKE THIS SHIT UP.
>>534164200Atheists are on board with all forms of jewish depravity.
>>534159250Do NOT copy me.
>>534163961>>534163977see what i meanit's like plebbit circa 2010 is burping up its nauseum
>>534158784I just don't believe in God's. It's that simple. It doesn't mean I have to believe in something else supernatural tho.
>>534164315Right?
>>534160410Jesus christ, stop huffing your own sharts. We're on a mongolian basket weaving forum.
>>534164411You believe in importing more jeets, though, right?
>>534164183you would have to start with agreeing on some fundamental definitions first, like "belief," "chance," or "evidence."and then even the "purely scientific" view relies on the unprovable axiom that the laws of physics will remain constant.
>>534164465I believe you're a massive faggot.
>>534164227>no u
>>534164183>An atheist cannot coherently reject a necessary ground of being unless they propose an alternativeI reject your presupposition you claim is necessary.
>>534156593CNNMaxing is when u act like a retarded faggot
>>534164618>accuses others of what he doesClassic!
>>534156593Ridiculous.Atheism is about rational thought.Transgenderusm is literally playing pretend like a child, complere with magical thinking.She's a contradictory, delusional psycho.
>>534164589Tut, tut, not so (((atheist))) now, n shit. Believing in things. Practically heretic level in your religion.
>>534164702>Believing in things. Practically heretic level in your religion.This is how stupid you are. Atheism deals in disbelief or lack of belief regarding God or gods. Outside of that, an atheist can and do believe in a lot of different things.The sad part is you know this but will still pretend not to
What is the purest form of atheist thought?
>>534156593The ironic thing here is that atheism and trannyism are ideologically incompatible. If you're a pure materialist, the body is the body, and that's that. Your chromosomes are XY, you were born with a cock, you're a man. To be a tranny is to say that there is some sort of platonic form of your mind that is "in the wrong body", that you have a female soul in a man's body. From an atheistic perspective that makes absolutely no sense.
>>534164702It's just a word that describes my lack of belief in supernatural beings anon. It's really not that deep. All these idiots like Alex O'Connor and shit who have made a career out of trying to find a deeper meaning in it aren't really finding anything new about the word, they just try to make a community around it and try to reason with people who want to push their fairy tales on others as if they are truths.
>>534164665i know it's impossible for you and your ilk to grok even 1d basics but it's not often one finds in the wild such a specimen such as yourself who just explained a meme and continues to act as if it's won an argument nobody was having with it
>>534165035Look at all this cope and hurt feelings. You're trying to hard kiddo
>>534164856>purest form of atheist thought
>>534164496You’re shifting my argument to a meta-level of protracted definitions of terms, whilst at the same time confirming my point when you say that science is based on unprovable axioms. The transcendental question regarding the conditions of existence necessitates some sort of concept of God – or you simply don’t ask the question, which would then amount to naive atheism (‘I just don’t believe in anything’).
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>>534165133Let me know when you move past ad homs and have a legitimate argument
Atheism is anti scientific religion and there’s ample physical evidence for the belief in God. Bothering people with your mad cult is so pathetic.
>>534165195>there’s ample physical evidence for the belief in God.Such as?
>>534156593I can fix her!
>>534165194I mean you are going to be waiting to beyond the end of time for any atheist to form any kind of argument. I think waiting for a legitimate argument might beyond the scope of this thread.
>>534165108you are arguing, i'm notfurther proving my initial premiss
>>534157427>using big flowery words to make your desert tribal wargod religion seem palatable for people who know its bullshit
>>534165288>I mean you are going to be waiting to beyond the end of timeI know. You clowns just can't form any legitimate arguments asto why I should believe in your personal feelings and opinions on God>I think waiting for a legitimate argument might beyond the scope of this thread.Good on you admitting you don't have one
>>534160868Yet somehow, that profile doesn't read like she has a real job
Damn, (((atheist))) bot acting more retarded that usual. Must be a special occasion, or something.
>>534164282Name three.
>>534165562Abortion, feminism, homosexuality.
>>534156593>>534165195>>534164678>>534156811>>534165018Her and Rebecca Watson destroyed the skeptic and atheist movement. God has a funny way of doing things
>>534165587I don't support these.Now demonstrate these are exclusive to atheist
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>>534165716Groups of atheists you retarded gimp. You are my special case.
>>534165752Again>>534165716>Now demonstrate these are exclusive to atheist
Damn, those were some nice tiddiesFeminism is the cancer of mankind
>>534165359>You clowns just can't form any legitimate arguments asto why I should believe in your personal feelings and opinions on God>>534165737Thanks for continuing to prove me right :^)
>>534156604>>534156593wow so demonic people are demonic possessed ?
>>534165772I am 2 lazy 2 find the stats. But atheists are very much pro gay, much more than anyone else..
>>534165859>I am 2 lazy 2 find the statsBecauae there are no stats that says those things are exclusive to atheist.
>>534164411>I know for a fact that there is no god >I cannot prove this, but I simply believe it to be true based on my observationHuh, sounds a lot like faith or a belief.Atheists have turned agnostic in recent years to distance themselves from atheists because the majority are reddit tier autists.No matter what you believe, you have to believe in something.
>>534165790https://nypost.com/2010/04/23/purdue-senior-organizes-boobquake-demonstration-to-refute-imams-claims/“An Indiana college student is shaking her fist at an Islamic cleric’s kooky claims that scantily clad gals are responsible for temblors — and is recruiting tens of thousands of women to don “immodest” clothes next week, even at the risk of a rumble.Purdue University senior Jennifer McCreight is staging “Boobquake” on Monday, asking women of the world to give an eyeful to Iranian cleric Hojatoleslam Kazem Sedighi.”Kek
>>534165941>Atheists have turned agnosticAgnostic atheism Vs. Gnostic atheism
>>534165941>No matter what you believe, you have to believe in something.Sure, God or gods isn't one of them.
>>534165899Special cases exist everywhere
>>534166038Again>>534165899>there are no stats that says those things are exclusive to atheist.
>>534156593Women can't transition into men, the moment a transman is declared he has retroactively always been a man and any man who has previously slept with "her" now automatically becomes gay. Female is an exclusive domain, male is inclusive.
>>534166061Absolute retardation is tho.
>>534157427everyone believes in a fundamental Cause, atheism is just an active denial based on projection. It’s human nature to anthropomorphise everything and so it’s impossible to conceive of a creator unlike one’s self. It’s this projection atheists deny, usually out of indignation over one’s life situation and the lack of courage to take responsibility. When one’s sense of self is lost through spiritual endeavour one sees the selflessness and unconditionality of God that’s been spoken about through the centuries, from countless perspectives, and attributed to different names, and sees the truth - that God can never be understood through objective, intellectual means but experienced purely subjectively
>>534159112The existence of a God or Gods is an extraordinary claim which requires extraordinary evidence. It's like saying me believing you don't have invisible intangible wings isn't considered "scientifically correct" because that isn't scientifically falsifiable.
>>534166225Right back to>>534165359>You clowns just can't form any legitimate arguments asto why I should believe in your personal feelings and opinions on God
>>534166244If u could explain existence without some form of creator? Maybe, I could i buy into your (((scam)))
>>534166358This retard didn't read anything the other anon said. Burden or proof is on you, dummy
>>534166469Burden of proof of what?
>>534166018lacking belief in God is just a dishonest way for saying believing in no God>>534166244there is a creator. Call it what you will: God, Allah, Jim, the Big Bang, whatever. You’re arguing that it wasn’t some guy called God. Who cares what it is, what it looks like. Something we can all agree on is, this didn’t come from nowhere. That beginning is what I call God.Now the God that walks and talks and smites is a human creation, obviously
>>534166576Kek, I was right. You didn't read anything the other anon said>>534166595>believing in no GodIs still a lack of belief.
>>534156593Almost like none of these people were actually atheists (read: lacked belief), but rather people looking for something to believe in that wasn't the traditional divine being(s).
>>53415659399.9% 'atheism' is just used as a slur by christians aka spiritual jews against 'the other' with little meaning outside of that. It's their version of goyim.Atheism' isn't a belief system it merely demands evidence for one claim. Is there a word for not believing Santa?The Jewish problem can only be resolved when we also recognize the Christian problem. We must strive to remove those disgusting Abrahamic cults from this planet.
>>534156593Do you go around the internet searching for trannies? Not once have I actually willingly found someone was trans. I wouldn't even know anything about trannies if you troon addicts weren't posting about them daily.
For hundreds of years, jews were kicked out of Christian nations.Only christians would have allowed them to live after what they do. Anyone else would have MASSACRED them.And then there was always another christcuck kingdom willing to take them in which allowed them to survive.
>>534166230i wanna say something but all i can do is just agreeamen
>>534166663Explain existence without a creator, and (((you))) think the burden is on me to prove that situation?
>>534166230>everyone believes in a fundamental Cause, atheism is just an active denialI don't deny the possibility of a fundamental cause. I just don't claim to know what it is. No one knows>>534166909Including this retard
>>534166951>Explain existence without a creatorWell considering "creator" is a vague term. I'll refer you to>>534166954>I don't deny the possibility of a fundamental cause. I just don't claim to know what it is. No one knows
>>534166951>and (((you))) think the burden is on me to prove that situation?You're making the claim, so yes, it is.
>>534157427Atheism by its definition doesn't believe. And when an atheist doesn't know something he says "i don't know", instead of "i believe". Clown.
>>534167012Lol, this has to be a bot. The starting point of atheism is no creator, aka God.
>>534167069>The starting point of atheism is no creator, aka God.That's the thing. You assume creator=God=your favorite flavor of GodThis is how I know you're a bot though
Both christians and leftists are running on jewish operating systems.Leftists have updated to the newest version, while you cling to Windows 98.
>>534162103What's funny because oriental metaphysics propose completely different things (emptyness of everything, eternal universe, non-dualism...) and there's no real argument against it.Metaphysics is a lost of time because it can accept simultaneously completely contradictory statements
>>534167140What is my favourite flavor of God, though?
>>534167204Whatever aligns with your personal feelings, so probably some brand of Christian
Dumb bitch should have just gotten into witchcraft like bananaman.That said "New Atheism" was even gayer and more more jewish. It was just secular evangelicalism, where they loved Israel and jewish wars.
>>534165845OUT !!!!
>>534165313>Don’t ask questions; don’t read the explanatory thread before forming an opinion. Typical of intellectual underachievers.
>>534166230>but experienced purely subjectivelyThen keep it private. Any construction of an earthly authority based on this subjectivity or pressure on existing earthly authorities by communities professing experience of this subjective phenomenon infringes on the lived consciousness of others who have no experience in said subjectivity and are thus not bound to it in anyway. I dont have any problem with religious folks doing whatever so long as they arent hurting anyone, and I have the reasonable expectation of not being subjected to their beliefs in public places.
>>534167260How would (((you))) prove that?
>>534167424Prove what?
>>534167444What u just said, u utter spastic.
>>534167394Reminder Christianity gave Europe to the Jews on a silver platter by insisting they are in charge of banking usury as instructed by the jewgod in the bible.Jews print the money in your country = They own economy of your country, all technological advancement/fruits of your labor are under their control, used for their purposes.Then comes religion, Christians are duped to believe there's some kind of God behind every Jewish action.Europeans were told to not practice usury, then Jews practice it to steal money from the goy, while they get interest free borrowing from other Jews, jews make life worse for everyone else, a strong ruler comes in, kicks out the Jews and the country goes into a golden age. That's also why they don't like kings, because they can make unilateral decisions like that, not something you can really do in a democracy.
>>534167462What I said about?
>>534167402>Don’t ask questionsWhich questions?Can snakes talk?How old is the earth?Is it round or flat?Are unicorns real?Are giants real?Was the entire world flooded?Did mankind descend from just one man and one woman?And most importantly, which denomination of christianity is correct and are you a member of that denomination?I'd love answers, try not to be a smarmy cunt in the replies.
>>534167157>Metaphysics is a lost of time because it can accept simultaneously completely contradictory statementsgraham priest would like a wordP∧¬P
>>534156593Where in au is this? She looks cute
>>534167403Criticism of institutions is a valid point even from a theistic perspective.
Brb, talking to (((atheists))) requires the stupefied drinkables.
>>534156593Yup. Atheism plus morphed into gender woo woo, which then gave us the trans movement of today.Atheism itself isn't to blame, it was used as a tool to separate us from our culture.
>>534167583In this thread, we have explored the phenomenon of atheism in greater depth. From an epistemological perspective, the atheist simply does not ask the question of God. From a metaphysical or transcendental perspective, the atheist is compelled to formulate an equivalent to God. This concept need not be personalised or appear intentional. In other words: the question is not ‘Does God exist or not?’ (theism vs. atheism), but rather ‘What is your concept of the conditions of the world/existence?’ This falls within the subject area of ‘God’.
>>534167724>it hurts to think and question thingsyou didn't need to announce it but thanks for sharing and affirming what we all already know
>>534167592That's just another formalism. Mathematical logic is nothing more than a language.People don't seem to understand it's limits and apply it to non operative concepts
>>534167852>try not to be a smarmy cunt in the replies.>does exactly thatif you didn't have breakfast this morning how would you feel?
>>534156593>>534156604I would laugh at this or get angry at the state of modern science but I'm just a collective of random atoms and molecules bouncing around. no point>>534165899>>534166061>inserts the word 'exclusive' out of nowhere>atheist rationalists are pretending not to understand 'per capita' nowlmao you're literally a philosophical nigger
>>534157427Atheists are just copers with internalized Christian morality.
>>534167641>Criticism of institutions is a valid point even from a theistic perspective.Sadly this is not a position that is strongly held by many theists. Or at least the most vocal theists. Just as many vocal atheists tend to be insufferable trannies, most theists insist on the institution of their subjective experience at the societal level. Or they argue that the abandonment of their specific interpretation of subjective experiences of the metaphysical are the reason for the worlds ills, and that a return of obeisance to theist dogma is a solution to said ills. In this they are no different from any other form of authoritarianism except in one respect. All other forms of claim to authority at least pay lip service to an objective, measurable, rational basis for their power. Theism does not, it explicitly states that it's authority comes from an unknowable source. If one cannot see how this is a danger to any society that thinks itself civilized or enlightened in anyway, I see no reason to attempt a discussion on any topic of importance with that person.
>>534167852>From a metaphysical or transcendental perspective, the atheist is compelled to formulate an equivalent to God.How so? Metaphysical and transcendental can exist absent God.>>>534167852>‘What is your concept of the conditions of the world/existence?’Cause and effect mixed with perspective over time.>>534167941>>inserts the word 'exclusive' out of nowhereThey are the ones implying it is exclusive
>>534167852Reality justifies itself
>>534167988The golden rule has been around longer than Christianity
>>534167865one literally has to kill brain cells to get to your level
>>534164183>An atheist cannot coherently reject a necessary ground of being unless they propose an alternativeOf course you can. What a silly thing to say.
>>534167899yer too serious.
>>534168085>no uLmao
>>534168063This perspective is compatible with pantheism ;)
>>534168073Sure nigga. China was full of slavery and genocide, Rome was full of infanticide and murder as entertainment, the Americas were full of human sacrifice and cannibalism. Truly the golden rule was out there. Illiterate retard.
>>534156593Transgenderism is the next logical closure point for Atheism. If you come to the conclusion that god isn't real, then you can make decisions in your life acting as your own god. You can decide that nature fucked up, but you and the doctors can fix it. Is it stupid? Yes! Will they follow through with it and neck themselves anyway? Also yes!
>>534168035>They are the ones implying it is exclusivehe literally said 'much more than anyone else'more than, it is relativewhy did I even spend the 20 seconds required to check a sciencenigger's statements. you never bother to put in the legwork to have a functioning epistemology. No surprise that you're all more vaxxed and boosted than actual niggers in africa
>>534160730>>534162103thx Grök
>>534156593Even in my fervent atheist days I very quickly realized that most atheist are mentally handicapped, and that kiked psyop movement was doomed to fail.
>>534168258>slavery>genocide>infanticide >human sacrifice >cannibalism All these things found within Christianity
>>534168265Interesting leaps of logic you made there.
>>534168232I can see why, but I don't agree with the necessity of an unity of sorts
>>534168322>he literally said 'much more than anyone elseAfter I had to correct him. See>>534164282>Atheists are on board with all forms of jewish depravity.Notice how he didn't say "much more than anyone else". He implied all atheist
Luv how what totally doesn't need announcing requires a (you)
Convinced there is no God.Can't tell if it's an inny or outy.Schizo troons belong in a camp.A death camp.I'm not sorry.I don't care.
>>534168462Talking to yourself veggie whisperer?
>>534168035'The metaphysical and the transcendental can exist without God'That is formally correct. But a reason for being need not be personalised to fall within the category of God.“Cause and effect mixed with a perspective across time.” That is an intramundane description, but not a transcendental statement. For: why is there cause and effect, why is there time?
>>534168458No goy is more enthralled to the (((jew)) than the (((atheist))). The devil would not attempt to disprove himself, but would expend all possible energy to disprove God. Aka, the greatest trick the (((devil))) ever committed was attempting to disprove the existence of God, not himself.
>>534168550>'The metaphysical and the transcendental can exist without God'>That is formally correct. But a reason for being need not be personalised to fall within the category of God.Thanks for agreeing >why is there cause and effect, why is there time?Because our reality dictates so
>>534168550>why is there cause and effect, why is there time?why does the answer to those questions have to be god? Its very possible we simply havent gathered enough data about the reality we experience to be able to answer those questions.
>>534168526In a thread full of atheists, only way to guarantee a somewhat logical conversation.
>>534168618>The devilLmao. You need to be 18 to post here
>>534157427Atheism is supremely cringe. They are assuming humans are most important beings in the universe and god has an obligation to show himself.> curious avant-garde of eugenic self-realisation experiments, perhaps unconsciously challenging the void of their god of chance.Aaand when god doesn't exist, this universe is first in total existence and what you just described didn't happen trillions of times, which would result in trillions of gods coming into existence.
>>534168668>In a thread full of atheistsYou can't seem to form a legitimate argument
>>534168696You believe in (((jews))) don't ya?
>>534157427Okay but you worship a Jew as your God
>>534158823I reasonably expect the pile of table scraps I threw in a heap outside to develop a nervous system and leap up alive by cause and effect in a billion years from now (organic material + time) DURRRR
>>534168458>He implied allthat's not implied at all when talking about a collective.you're seriously trapped in a 'not all black people' or 'not all feminists' argument and too uncomfortable to self examine
>>534165414>shewelcome to /pol/now get out
>>534168716>They are assuming humans are most important beingsNo I don't >>534168766What does that statement mean to you?
>>534168716>Atheism is supremely cringe. They are assuming humans are most important beings in the universe and god has an obligation to show himself.Theism is supremely cringe. They are assuming humans are most important beings in the universe and god has a special interest in their thoughts and actions.
>>534168828Kek
>>534168796I have no idea what moronic shit you're trying to strawman >>534168801>that's not implied at allIt is. He even doubles down on that implication>>534168854>I dont have legitimate thoughts
>>534156593This is old news. Leftoid atheists became troons rightoid ones became pagans
>>534168378(You)
>>534168639Even if the answer was God it wouldn't necessarily be Jesus, could be Allah or something no one on this planet knows
>>534168085minus 300 izzat for weak reply
>>534167157I beg to differ: metaphysics is a philosophical approach to reflecting on the ultimate questions. The question of the meaning of life shouldn’t be left solely to the Wachowski brothers – or rather, sisters.
>>534168901My thoughts are only just warming. Also train sets.
>>534168945Ok little bro
>>534156593Atheism not retarded enough for you? Worry not! We now have Atheism Plus! More retarded, more stupid, more fedoras!
>>534156593>mostly focused on muslims being baddid they? how did that go?>>atheist genius: so you believe the universe is XX thousand years old?>muslim: no. that was something your friend Ptolemy believed, then the church made it a part of Christianity.>>atheist genius: but you probably think the earth is flat!>muslim: we already had good approximations of earth's shape, circumference, surface area, and volume ~1200 years ago.>>atheist genius: oh yeah, but i be you believe the big bang theory is bullshit.>muslim: the theory, and that's what it is, doesn't even attempt to answer the question of where did whatever exist at t=0 come from.>>atheist genius: ...
>>534168834Yes, exactly. Just as atheists assume nothing existed before their existence or if it exists it doesn't matter in grand schemes of things. First big bang ever, amirite, fellow atheist?What i want to say is that people are narcissists.
>>534168639'Collecting data in the real world' merely shifts the problem in an inherent way. This is where the hermeticism of all materialism becomes apparent.
>>534156593Pretty sure some dude in ancient greece came up with atheism anon
>>534168716That's the complete opposite. Believing that you must have been created by a higher being with a transcendental purpose is way more arrogant, it's trying to elevate humanity (((or a chosen people))) by proxy. Meanwhile atheism just states the obvious, we are here just like everything else.The it is what it is
>>534169148Shifting the conversation to Descartes's Demon is lame. There is nothing to be had from it since nothing can be accurately determined to be true or false. A complete waste of time. We either live in a material reality that can be measured and the rules determined or we don't. If we don't, then why bother trying to make sense of it in any structured way?
>>534168901>It is.>He even doubles down on that implicationEvery time you make me check you fill me with nausea at the inferiority of scienceniggers. Also mad at myself for even checking.Statements about groups do not ever have to contain an implied exclusivity clause.I repeat:you are literally arguing like a sheboon>YEH BUT WYPIPO DO CRIME TOO>PER CAPIWHUTFUCK YOU FOR WASTING MY TIME
>>534168636'Why is there cause and effect? Why is there time?Because our reality dictates it.' A classic tautology: Reality is the way it is because reality is the way it is.
>>534169177Nar dawg, they weren't that gay.
>>534156593>the woman who created atheism plus transitioned to a man.I guess you could say she evolved
>>534169277>Every time you make me check you fill me with nauseaSounds like a personal problem >>534169291>'Why is there cause and effect? Why is there time?To give legitimacy to our existence.
>>534169277I should give you something more cap worthy. There is only one theoretical possible form of nothingness, aka (((atheism))). This is the fun part. There are infinite forms of God. The odds of atheism being correct are infinite, to one. Pending, them actually proving absolute nothing is a possibility. Note, they won't
>>534169298>they weren't that gay. But you are
>>534168791I’m a sports agnostic, whereas you’ve got free lodgers in your head
>>534169464you write like you just finished huffing air horn gas
>>534169464>There are infinite opinions of God.Ftfy, just like genders lol>them actually proving absolute nothing is a possibility. Note, they won'tTry less strawman next time
>>534169472Being gayer than an (((atheist))) is a logical impossibly.
>>534168944It's not just that metaphysics can be absolutely contradictory, also you need a cosmology (created universe vs eternal vs kalpas) to extract the metaphysical principles from and circularly justify the cosmology with the metaphysics
>>534169549Nothing is impossible through Christ ;^)
>>534169179You are right in the second sentence, not first. It's the same thing.Ask yourself: Nothing is smarter than humans? And if someone is, it doesn't matter, right? Because we on this planet occurred here by chance?Also, fun fact, abiogenesis is still a hypothesis. Picrel.
(((THEY))) will never prove nothing being a possibility. I will go on fucking them, logically speaking. For eternity.
>>534156593> TLDR the early internet Atheist movement was a movement based on the idea that Atheism is scientifically correct as there isn’t yet scientific evidence for god. There is plenty of evidence “scientific evidence” for God, depends exactly upon what kind of evidence you’re willing to accept.>They mostly focused on muslims being bad and low IQ conservatives shoving Christianity in schools or worshiping Israel.Christianity was shoved OUT of schools, it has never been “shoved” back in. Typical fence sitting Aussie.
>>534169448>Sounds like a personal problemYou say that, but you're the one who'll be left with the nagging worry as to why the utilitarian arguments for atheism turn niggerlicious so quickly.
>>534169549Men must love each other sounds way gayer lol
>>534169591Kek.
>German pseud ruins thread with horseshit postsMany such cases
>>534169651>utilitarian arguments for atheismSuch as? >>534169678Which brand of Christianity are you?
>mfw being the only non-tranny pro-breeding non-religious person in the world
>>534169737Do you wish to like, and subscribe?
>>534169266You are perpetuating a fallacy of category. I am not asking whether something can be measured or not, but rather about the conditions under which it can be measured. Your false dichotomy also obscures the possibility that measurability and non-measurability are not mutually exclusive.
>>534169787I was right. >scared to show flag>scared to talk about his "faith"Why such a coward veggie whispere?
>>534169625>Nothing is smarter than humans?No that we know>And if someone is, it doesn't matter, right?The only that matters is if it is friend or foe but that goes for humans too>Because we on this planet occurred here by chance?Why not?>Also, fun fact, abiogenesis is still a hypothesis. Picrel.So? Irrelevant to wether a deity exists or not
>>534169567I find this line of reasoning strange, as even the most radical atheist position addresses this in the Big Bang and attempts to conceptualise it using the term ‘singularity’.
>>534169625>Nothing is smarter than humans? And if someone is, it doesn't matter, right? Because we on this planet occurred here by chance?based singularity extrapolatorthe more unremarkable human consciousness becomes, the more you open the door to higher intelligence theories. the smarter atheists used to know this and would sometimes criticise Vinge's singularity ideas as 'Creationism through the back door'>REEEE you can't accidentally make sci fi religious!!1modern materialists are unconsciously anthropocentric. they anthropomorphise hypothetical gods just as much as religionists do.
>>534169856>I am not asking whether something can be measured or not, but rather about the conditions under which it can be measuredThe practical outcome is the same in both instances, there is no reason to differentiate between the two other than mental masturbation.>measurability and non-measurability are not mutually exclusive.This is why western philosophy is largely dog shit past the greeks. It is either trying to cope with an "inerrant" jewish book, or twisting itself into knots over simple questions of materialism that can never truly be answered. It has completely disconnected itself from the simple question of "what does it mean to live a good life?"I find this anon >>534169726 to be correct. Your posts are self fellatiating to the point of nonsense. Like a women speaking to hear the sound of her own voice.
>>534170066Expecting a logical coherent argument from atheists? The clue is in the name, isn't it.
>>534170187You're projecting again
>>534156593I talked to her on okcupid years ago when she went to Purdue. Pretty nuts but on brand I guess for an attention seeking leftist to want to be trans. Her tits weren't even big enough for her to be the boobquake girl desu which is probably another reason to do her new stunt she's probably some weird incel lesbian. I brought her up here before but this is the first time I've seen a thread this size about the little pooner Jen.Anyway it's always funny to see someone I "know" on here.
>>534170066>even the most radical atheist position addresses this in the Big BangYour mistake is assuming "atheism" has a position about anything other than the nonexistence of gods. Individual atheists might have their own thoughts about the beginning of the universe and abiogenesis and the other big questions of the universe but these don't become atheist dogma just because an atheist believes it.
>>534170324You can't state that atheism does not have a position, without knowing it's position.
>>534168834>jupiter has 80 moons>saturn has 75 moons>if you were able to sit on saturn or jupiter, no matter how long you waited and watched the moons go by, they would never give the condition for a perfect eclipse>earth has only a single moon>earth gets perfect eclipse first try and at regular intervals>but you arent special goyim!this is like walking down the beach and kicking a pocketwatch, and you claim that sand naturally formed into the pocketwatch instead of the obvious conclusion
>>534156593The biohazard symbol is a dog whistle for pozzed bussy btw. Best avoid.
>>534169567>metaphysics can be absolutely contradictoryNo, it can't. The study of metaphysics is based purely on logic, and logic never contradicts itself by definition. All systems of metaphysics across the world agree with each other in the same way that all mathematical systems agree with each other.>oriental metaphysics propose completely different things (emptyness of everything, eternal universe, non-dualism...)Emptiness doesn't mean nothingness, and non-dualism doesn't mean what you seem to think it means either. Oriental metaphysics and Neoplatonic metaphysics and Christian metaphysics all align with each other flawlessly and with no contradictions whatsoever. You just have to understand that apophatic and cataphatic definitions can be in agreement despite having the appearance of being contradictory.
>>534170396>pocketwatch/fine tuningsuch a boring argument that has already been addressed ad nauseum.
>>534170510i have never seen the fine tuning argument addressed with respect to the perfect eclipse
>>534170382You just agreed with him you dumbass lol
>>534170428>metaphysics is based purely on logic,Metaphysics uses logic as a primary tool to analyze the foundational nature of reality. However, it is not based purely on logic, as it also relies on intuition, conceptual analysis, and speculative assumptions about existence that cannot be verified solely through logical deduction
>>534170561If atheism was a possibility. Absolute nothing would be a provable possibility
>>534170382>You can't state that atheism does not have a positionOf course I can, because it doesn't. It's not a religion or even a belief system with any consistent or conscripted dogma, it's just a category of worldview that doesn't include belief in the existence of gods.
>>5341700661st That's the vulgar understanding of the big bang as anything other than the most accepted theory for the start of our current time2nd You mistake this very US (or UK at best) centric movement with atheism as just not believing in that a deity exists
>>534170532>perfect eclipseThere are an estimated 2 trillion galaxies in the universe and billions of stars per galaxy. That alone makes the eclipse not that special by sheer odds.
>>534170760You have a fundamental misunderstanding of atheism. Sad part is you know it but continue to make up lies. Why is that?
>>534163714> People like you need to be murdered. You're beyond tiresome.I’m sorry that atheism must insist that you are smarter and morally superior to everyone else no matter what and you can’t make mistakes
>>534170680No, the only thing that metaphysics utilizes that goes beyond pure logic is personal experience, and experience is beyond reproach as a method of gaining knowledge. Assumptions are never necessary because logic itself is sufficient to prove the existence of eternal principles, and ultimately a first principle. After their existence is proven all that's needed is to communicate with them through participation, which is where experience comes in. Someone who has made himself good knows for a fact that The Good exists.
Breast cancer is really devastating for a woman so how crazy do you have to be to voluntarily pay to have your tits cut off when they're healthy?
>>534170847You say no, then agree with me lol
>>534156593These 2000's atheists were retarded trying to turn their lack of belief into a movement. That was never going to work since the only organizing principle was not believing in God. It's like they were trying to replace church with Le heckin science Also they acted like atheism was a new thing only made possible by The Enlightenment and The Science™.But there have always been non-believers and skeptics >Charvaka philosophy in ancient India >Epicurus and Protagoras in ancient Greece >Ibn Al-Rawabdi criticizing divine revelation and organized religion in the medieval Islamic world >Confucius being generally dismissive of the gods and afterlife and advising his followers to focus on living virtuously in this life
>>534170765You are claiming x has a position of nothing. Go ahead, and prove that nothing is a possible position, and x has that position.
>>534170864Social media clout.
>>534170864atoms made her do it
>>534156593theists - believe in God atheists - believe there is no God^^^^^RELIGIOUS GROUPS^^^^^Gnostics - there is No GOD!Agnostics - there is no GOD until proven(but basically no one can prove it ) ^^^^Non Religious Groups^^^^^
>>534170428Yes, it's all the same because you say so. It's all completely coherent and all metaphysical philosophy says the same.Lmao
>>534156593>Soon after the atheism movement collapsed and we head into the era of Trumps election campaign and gamer gate.I remenber SJWs tried derailing the gaming community with Gamer+ or PC (=politically correct) gamer (already taken by computer gamers). But we knew not to fall for that because of what they did to the atheist community.
>>534170842Try less strawman kiddo
>>534170981>You are claiming x has a position of nothingHaving no position and "having a position of nothing" are not the same thing, and I'm claiming the former.
>>534170324The extent to which these ideas are dogmatic is a completely different matter. I’m talking about how concepts such as the singularity build an atheistic bridge between cosmology and metaphysics. You’re sidestepping this issue.
>>534170977It makes complete sense because of the ways religion influences politics.Like we see then and now.
>>534171129Ok, let's play the word game of you having no position. Go ahead and prove that position.
>>534156604She had the gay male physiognomy already. Add mental illness and jewish subversive brainwashing and you’ve got the perfect FtM troon candidate.
>>534171169>The extent to which these ideas are dogmatic is a completely different matter.I'm trying to help you understand that ideas like the big bang aren't "atheist" in any kind of inherent sense, because atheism itself doesn't have any views about the beginning of the universe or anything else really other than lacking belief in god.
>>534171092> Try less strawman kiddoIsn’t a strawman if it’s true
>>534171347I can disbelieve in x without knowing x.
>>534157917Theyre fucking retarded>no i dont believe in god>i do believe in something>mickey mouse bullshit >chaos, chance.And air.Long ago they lived in peace untill the chaos nation attacked.
How do I know x is not y?
Where did party boi go?
Was fun, gg as always
>>534156593>Includes TL;DR inside paragraph >Paragraph just as long as the first >Talking about some irrelevant tr00n Faggot
>>534171664Everyone is born an atheist
>>534171313It's always ugly women becoming ideological zealots and trying to force everyone to believe as they do.Pretty women are too busy getting fucked by Chad and milking the betas to care about such things
>>534173056Go ahead, and prove that. Like all your claims, you won't
Nxt bake when?
