>There is a near infinite number of planets in an infinitely expanding universe that is an uncountable number of years old, which means alien life is not only guaranteed but near infinite as well>Not a single hint or evidence of alien contact in millions of years, not even the simplest form of life discovered in other planetsIs this nonsense supposed be more believable than religion?
>>534157657We are quarantined from others because a retard sophia eon "wisdom" fucked up big time.
>>534157657>which means alien life is not only guaranteed but near infinite as wellIt doesn't mean that though.
>>534157657>near infinite universeTherefore near impossible distances>uncountable number of years oldTherefore not guaranteed to exist at the same time with our species
>>534157657None of these statements are doctrine or universally agreed upon by any one institution.What you stated is a set of private assumptions held by certain people. A lot of people disagree.Unlike Religion this is not a set of set beliefs that have to be accepted wholesale.
>>534157657I disagreeby your argument we should see electomagnetic broadcasts from hundreds or even thousands of civilizations. we do not.there is not. either intelligent life is very, very rare or it doesn't exist besides on earth.This is our current truth.
>>534157819Why would that not be the natural assumption?>>534157853>Therefore not guaranteed to exist at the same time with our speciesThey would leave vestiges, at least.
>>534157853>>534157819Also both of these.The Fermi Paradox isn't a paradox because until you see a second instance of life you cannot know how common life is.Nor does it have to exist at the same time as you.
>>534157865You actually agree then, because that's the point I'm trying to make. Where are those supposed aliens? Even if intelligent life were rare, the universe should be big and old enough for one civilization to have eventually made accidental contact with us or at least left proof of their existence.
>>534157657Jeets are the Great Filter
>>534157657Space is very very very big.
>>534158159Jews are. Without jews, jeets wouldn't be an issue. Without jews, niggers wouldn't be an issue. Without jews... you get the point
>>534158022>Why would that not be the natural assumption?No. You're just retarded. You live in a fantasy world of wishful thinking.People who have done the actual maths show that even in a universe the size and age of ours the odds of a single protein spontaneously forming are so low you wouldn't expect it to have happened once, let alone dozens of them simultaneously right next to each other to form life.We were created by God.
>>534158144my suggestion is to read the Stanislaw Lem short story The New CosmogonyIn the story he suggests that the physics itself has been created by separate intelligences throughout the universe to separate each other out of fear. By their design the universe is expanding, vast distances separate stars and the speed limit is the speed of light. It seems designed to keep civilizations apart.
>>534158234>You are retarded, we were created by God
Remember that life appeared early in the history of the earth. However, complex life appeared recently during the Cambrian explosion. So I do believe that a very simple form of life might exist on other planets because the laws of physics and chemistry are the same everywhere in the universe... but there is a 0% chance that complex life exists outside of the earth.And an alien civilisation ? Pure fiction.
>>534158022>They would leave vestiges, at least.Which we have thus far been unable to detect with our simple technology.We have only within the last decade or so been able to reliably find planets around other stars and even then only certain types of stars.To better explain it: if were on a planet orbiting alpha centauri looking at Sol trying to determine if it had any planets even capable of supporting life, we would be unable to detect the earth using current technology, let alone be able to detect the presence of humans on the surface or our technological footprint.Furthermore, if humanity went extinct, almost all traces of our civilization would be gone within about 1000 years, which is an instant on cosmic timescale.It is actually very likely that any habitable worlds we find will either have life or evidence of it.To know for sure though we will probably have to go visit them.
>>534157657The observable universe is really not that large. If a man stood on every planet in the observable universe and tossed a coin 100 times, the expected number of occurrences of 100 heads in a row is zero. Now, even if you take the universe to be of infinite size, that would make no differences, because the observable universe is the boundary of what we can ever see, what lies beyond is functionally equivalent to non-existent.
>>534158108This, the fermi paradox comes from terminal attempting to solve the drake equation, but even fermi knew that we dont actually have enough information to do that.The low-end of his estimate was there might only be a handful of intelligent species in the entire galaxy.Its likely we might be living in the Battlestar Galactica or battletech timelines where space is largely empty and the vast majority of planets are uninhabitable.
>>534158234There is also the concept of selection bias.The random formation of life may incredibly unlikely, but the only reason we are even able to consider it is because it happened.So by existing we observe an extremely unlikely event, namely our own existence.
>>534157657Is this nonsense supposed be more believable than religion?Kinda? The theory itself isn't based on absolutely nothing, but more importantly, theres no real stakes if you don't believe in it, unlike religion. You're not gonna burn in hell if you have questions about whether or not the big bang is what really happened, ultimately it doesn't really matter if you believe it.
>>534157657we don't have any way of contacting other planets why do you assume it's common for the hypothetical aliens to have more advanced tech that lets them do so? the other life forums could just be a bunch of brainless beetles for all we know
>>534158501>we have thus far been unable to detect with our simple technology
>>534159044the sun tongues my anus
>>534158957Because I assume we not the oldest and therefore these supposed alien civilizations had a headstart on us by a lot. And if anything, finding out that all other forms of life simply aren't intelligent would've been enough of an answer for everything. No form of life at all, not even bacteria, leaves me doubts.
>>534157657Infinity isnt actually real dumbfucking retard
>>534157657Space is fake and gay
>>534157657 We didn't make contact because the distances in space are simply too big. The nearest star system to ours is the triple star system of Alpha Centauri, it's about 4.2 light years away or 25 trillion miles. It has two confirmed planets: Proxima b, an Earth-sized planet in the habitable zone discovered in 2016, and Proxima d, a candidate sub-Earth which orbits very closely to the star. The main issue with traversing such unimaginable giant distances is that nothing can travel faster than light, which is capped at around 300,000 kilometres per second (671 million mph). The closer you get to light speed, the more energy you require to increase your speed further, with the energy requirement trending toward infinity as you approach light speed. Thus, nothing with mass can even reach the speed of light. It would take light, the fastest thing in the universe, roughly 4.2 years to reach Proxima Centauri. In comparison, the fastest craft we've ever made, the Parker Solar Probe, is flying through space at around 192 m/s (429,999 mph), or less than 1% the speed of light. It would take the Parker Solar Probe more than 6,600 years to travel the same distance. At a maximum speed of about 17,600 mph it would have taken a Space Shuttle about 165,000 years to reach the same destination. Another discovered planet is Epsilon Eridani b, at a distance 10.4 light years away. If the Sun were about the size of a baseball, and was being kept in New York, then the star Epsilon Eridani would be about as far away as Paris, the orbit of the planet would be a ring about 30 meters across, and the planet itself would probably be about the size of a pea. "Probably" because while taking a picture of something substantially smaller than a bread box from 3,600 miles away seems like it should be feasible, we still don't have a way to do it.
>>534157859>Mumbo jumbo blah blah blahAre you hallucinating bot?
>>534159556 When you look at another solar system all you can see (even with the most powerful telescopes) is a single pixel of light. Any extra-terrestrial intelligence living around Proxima Centauri that wanted to reach us would either need lifespans drastically longer than ours, would need to send out multi-generational voyages, or would need to find a way to travel much faster than we've currently figured out how to do. Another thing to think about is whether extra-terrestrial intelligence would even know that we existed as intelligent beings. Because light takes time to travel, when you look at anything you're technically seeing it not as it is now, but as it was in the past. The speed of light is likely just as impassable in your century as it will be in the next. Science fiction that says otherwise is mostly magical thinking. We can't even get close, given the titanic amounts of energy it takes to accelerate to even a fraction of the speed of light. No way around it, each light year - or 6 trillion miles - will take decades to cross, and there are barely any stars in a 10-light year radius. We're in a "celestial suburb". The only way humans have ever seriously considered getting to the realm of other star systems is in vast starships designed to run for a century or two. Because they would probably take multiple generations to reach their destination, normies call them "generation ships". The humans who keep a generation ship running are most likely not the same ones who will see their new home. Keeping such an "ark" running is filled with so many insurmountable variables involving radiation exposure, mechanical failure, accleration and deceleration, social systems, and the fragility of the human mind and spirit, that it's pretty much unfeasible.
>>534159271ayys tongue the sun's anus
>>534159660 There is also no magic "warp-space" for a spaceship to enter either. Wormholes, Alcubierre drive, etc. all require exotic matter that doesn't exist. In our galactic neighbourhood we've found many new planets by taking pictures of the sky, but none are really earth-like. To find extra-solar planets we've had to rely on methods that are good at finding planets that are huge and close to their suns, it's almost impossible to find planets that are small and far from their suns (like ours). That right there is the essential reason why we haven't even found any truly Earth-like planets yet: a planet like the Earth is too small and far from the Sun to be readily detectable. The most common techniques for finding exoplanets today are the "radial velocity" technique, and the "transit" technique. Both are prone to error and false positives. The Achilles heel of trying to locate extrasolar planets using the transit method is that the edge of the planet's orbital plane must be oriented exactly towards us. Since other solar systems' orbital planes are randomly tilted, even if a given solar system actually contains an Earth-like planet, the chances of a telescope picking up that planet are minuscule. And even if aliens were looking at Earth from 1,000 light years away they would see us as we were 1,000 years ago. Assuming they could peer down with telescopes that allowed them to see us walking around on the surface, they would know that we had invented technologies like the wheel, windmills, and gunpowder. However, a telescope of this resolution is simply not physically possible. If they were searching for signals we have sent out, there would be none for them to detect since we didn't even identify radio waves until the 1800s.
>>534157657>There is a near infinite number of planets in an infinitely expanding universe that is an uncountable number of years oldWhy not just say that the universe is infinitely old? You've gone so far as to pulling the infinite size of the universe proposition out of your arse, so why stop at age?
>>534158501>find planets around other starsWe do not have any kind of instruments that can "see" planets. This is all conjecture and theory.
>>534159646Based midwitmaxxer
>>534157865You are never ever leaving this enclosed plane alive you retarded golem. CGI is all you get in this life, which is more than you deserve anyway. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJK1gLHbOxA&t=1136s
>>534157657>Not a single hint or evidence of alien contact in millions of yearsExplain this picture then, gay boy.
