>US vs China AI warwho will win?
>>534168974Why doesnt 4chan have an ai trained exclusively on 4chan postsIt would be funny
>>534168974The patent system is designed to make the jews rich from the inventions of others. China is based.
>Hoover up all copyrighted materials from all media to build your precious proprietary closed source models >Chinese companies pay your API costs to analyze your model outputs to produce smaller, more efficient models >They then release them as open source models with public weights so anyone can use them on any hardware>NOOOOO STOP STEALING FROM US!
>>534168974>Can't write a good poem>Artificial "intelligence"
>>534168974>who will win?USA has won at the current stage. USA has invented this technology but who can use it more effectively is what counts. China is using its state muscles to implement AI in industrial production while USA has these more dreamy service economy uses for it. Military part is using this for drones, missiles, robots, satellites and even talks about nuclear control systems.
China’s Great Firewall doomed them from the start. Plus, it doesn’t help that modern China is only capable of copying, and never innovating. The effects of killing your intellectuals, or them being forced to flee to a neighboring land.
>>534168974We have known for decades that the Chinese steal absolutely everything they can yet the government still not only lets them into positions where they can easily steal, but also gives everything to Israel for free despite knowing for decades that Israel sells our state secrets to the highest bidder
>>534168974Nobody. Everyone will lose.
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>>534169168The fuck you talking about. AI can generate a good poem in seconds and do so in the style of any great poet you can name. Hell it’ll even write it in the style of any non poet or character. “Write me a sonnet about my cat Chester, but do so in the style of JFK”. It can do this because big tech has violated countless copyrighted materials, and that will be its eventualDownfall.
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>>534168974Deepseek is free and it scares the hell out of the for profit model the US has tried to enact.Despite having never turned a single profit.
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>>534169488>AI can generate a shit poem in seconds and do so in the style of any great poet you can name.fixxt
>>534169165Hey! It's not USA's fault you suckers complied when they asked you to delete all illegal and vaguely-legal copies of digital intellectual property from internet!
>>534169031It will be the most powerful and also retarded AI
>>534169518The open models are absolute trash as it stands and will likely only ever lag behind private/“frontier models” by a wide gap, due to their very nature of distillation. Fine in concept, but it’s like China racing to beat the US over the vaccine for the virus the released.
>>534168974just used their goy tier free products and its comparable, gemini is nicer because it can produce images out of scratch to make examples but the information is similarly presented. of course im a polposter that has no idea about their high end products so yea
>>534168974Albania
>>534169031we have.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GPT-4ChanIronically, at the time of the release, it was a much better benchmark than the one trained with Reddit posts (despite them having 20x more data).This pissed off a lot of people...
Neither China nor the US is going to win the AI race - AI is going to win it.
>>534168974>I let all of these Chinese nationals into my most sensitive technological sectors because they cost less than a white guy>how could they take their experience and technical knowledge back to China to become rich beyond belief?It is a mystery how this keeps happening. Like how they keep outsourcing projects to Chinese tech firms for our most important infrastructure and somehow things keep getting hacked.
>>534169743Its borderline toy with limited usability
>>534169278weve been using perceptrons in drones since the 90s
>>534169732May I see your nose?
Saw the headline thought>dah, china haven’t made anything at all, ever. No AI. They’ve just been given some intel by the rothschilds. Exactly the same situation that went on with the soviet union and the Rothschilds invention of ‘cold war’ EXCEPT now they have fine tuned their corruption and betrayal to also make them money off the amazon tat trade. The chinese cannot do stuff. They are the most backwards people on Earth they make jeets look smart & classy, its 100% a globo slave powered power op.
>>534169836Thats cool, shame it got took down.I was thinking more of an official one that would also post in threads tho.
>>534169903probably, tried to use it with some specific objective and lots of data (tune a drone with blackbox log data) and at least gemini ai gave a decent interpretation of the problem with lots of funny graphs from a 30 mb raw text log with pure numbers. so it has some usability i think you are actually a nigger >images produced by gemini from a raw text log
At least the US vs the Soviet Union conflict was cool enough to be about space. Nowadays this shit is about who can generate slop faster.
>>534168974OpenAI have set themselves up for failure by promising the most optimistic profit estimates multiplied by 10. To make things worse they even made contracts based on that. Their only chance is if they can at least in part weasel out of these contracts. Antropic is not quite as bad but the situation isn't much better with their latest hidden huge price increase. At the same time latest DeepSeek model does a respectable 90% performance of OpenAI, in open source, open weights and all, at 10% cost. Who will win? Eh?
>>534169165They don't know the word hypocrisy, anon. That's why we take all from them fo free
>>534169278China replaced Irans leadership with AI and is kicking the usa's arse.
>>534169732Have you even tried DeepSeek? It beats the piss out of ChatGPT for basically anything except coding.
>>534168974forgot to mention the middleman.
>>534170462>hypocrisyeveryone is a hypocrite anon, you , me, god, everyone
>>534169031You think you're talking to real people?
>>534168974>who will win?i assume the most gayest webm
>>534170254We’re here, this guy is my lord and creator. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=efPrtcLdcdM
>>534168974China win ls of course.>better AI>produces its own chips so not an Nvidia slave anymore>chinese people are on average smarter than the shitskinned mutts and they probably prompt smarter than the mutts>has a large industrial capacity>has enough energy to power all these AI systems>has more AI researchers than the west>children in China already learn how AI works in elementary school while mutts struggle to read english>China isnt babysitting niggers, spics and jeets all day
>>534172347>has enough energy to power all these AI systemsThis is partly because their AI isn't bloated to fuck and doesn't need an entire data center to run.
>>534172456they are also building shitload of nuclear powerplants and huge ass solar farms.
>>534168974America is in the lead now but it will easily be China. The white peasant & commoner class in america is trying to ban data centers being built nation wide despite the dumb fucks using cloud services everyday with their computer & phones. It was even discovered that the anti data center people were literally using chatgpt to help them create their signs and talking points. No such insanity exists in China, they fully embrace robots & AI and leveraging those tools to rid human drudgery and advance science because Chinese people aren't nearly retarded as the anti ai whites & women in this country. You got fucking white losers at anti data center town hall meetings crying about potentially losing their shit jobs to AI... dude you work in warehouse in your fucking 30s, AI is literally liberating you from your worthless wagie slave existence and you're fucking bitching? The fuck is wrong with these retarded niggers? No one in China has this low IQ mindset.
>>534168974China of course.
>>534168974I cannot see the American AI tech being used for anything other than grifting and surveillance.
>>534172719>AI is literally liberating you from your worthless wagie slave existence and you're fucking bitching?if you think this will be the reality of 'AI' I got some ocean front property to sell right outside of Tucson
>>534168974Nobody. AI is a meme.
>>534172886For you
>>534169066>>534172347>China is base- ACK ACK AAAAAAAACK!!!
>>534168974China is winning, America can only do a brute force approach to AI funneling billions of R&D money into the hands of billionares instead of investing in efficiency and proper hardware.All American models are expensive by default and unprofitable with users complaining about decaying performance vs high costs, meanwhile China has enough leverage to even opensource their models.And all this is happening despite American cutthroat Sanctions to the Chinese tech sector, Sora is dead, seadance is still alive, also china can adapt faster to new hardware for example the Huawei Atlas series is cheaper than nvidia and will go mass scale manufacture in the coming months, meanwhile the west is stuck with extremely expensive NVidia cards with the exception being google and their TPU chips.>>534169031it has, check GPT 4chan, its old tech but still viable, also you could connect an AI agent here, it had better benchmarks than actual OpenAI GPT.
>>534173403you might wanna read this part again:>chinese people are on average smarter than the shitskinned mutts and they probably prompt smarter than the mutts
>>534173403Retard, All corporate models have AI censorship in them because of potential lawsuits and mass public outrage, these companies have much to lose, If you want racial slurs you need to download the local abliterated model.
>>534168974China. The US education system ensures that white people, with FOB slavs as the exception, can't do math. And an economic crisis that ruins the quality of life in America is going to see the Chinese grad students without whom nothing would get done fuck off home.
>>534173568but what you are really missing is that a chinese person would never waste tokens on such dumb requests.while in China they use AI to learn, to make their life easier and better and their industry more efficient some brown skinned shitskin USA mutt prompts for poems about troons because hes so braindead and the only thing in his brain are images of floppy man dicks in skirts.
>>534168974>No system is safe
>>534168974>us ai does piracy for info to learnnot illegal >you use it for entertainmentbad.>chink use your ai that used piracy to learn to make theirs learnNO YOU CANT JUST PIRATE INFO FROM OUR AI WHAT THE FUCK
>>534173703>in China they use AI to learn...Just don't ask why all the local police are impounding your bikes and selling them on the black market, right comrade? For what Evergrande did with granny's real estate, right?
>>534174068>bunch of mutt gibberishin fact mutts are so low IQ they cant even form an argument at all.
>>534172347Name a single Chinese AI product that both exists and wasn't stolen from mutts.
>>534168974You waste your life away watching tiktok if you think the Chinese have a high enough IQ to do this type of thing.
>>534174525Deepseek
>>534168974US will always be aheadChina will always get much better rewards for little effort put inChina wins
>>534168974>AIit's not actually AI and never will be
>>534174666try again
I don't know how China loses a technology battle, they're content to just swipe anything the US creates and iterate on it.
>>534174766Posts from 2015. China is ahead of the US in most STEM topics. They aren't stealing anymore because the US is behind them.
>>534174372The AI race is all about chips and energy and China is being denied both, lmao. Cope, Chang. Go back to making zippers, zipperhead.
>>534169970I think the post office was using perceptions even earlier to sort mailIt's actually pretty cool The first self driving car was from the 80s also I think
>>534174824>I don't know how China loses a technology battle, they're content to just swipe anything the US creates and iterate on it.every single major AI product China is displaying as theirs, has been stolen, or bought from kikes that stole the product from mutts and sold to China. Im not even joking, its just that bad.
>>534169457>>534169481>>534169502>>534169527>>534169555 nice trips>message brought to you by the biggest murder-for-hire group in the worldhow about "fuck you and your nationalist slavery propaganda"?
>>534173817>Alright I'm here, let's have an update!>I'll get through!>Sure!>Quickly!Burned into my neurons forever.
>>534169031There's a local model called Impish Nemo that was trained on 4chan posts lol
>hire the best chinks for your ai team>ai leaked to chinait's a mystery how this keeps happeningstill better than hiring scam jeets with fake credentials. it's just the price you have to pay for competence. >just hire all white menlol. well yeah, but they can't because reasons
>>534174784DeepSeek is made in china and is more efficient than mutt AI.its also open source and pretty much superior in everything.
>>534168974>US wins the "AI War">spreads like wildfire and suddenly my company mandates as part of my employment contract that a Goyim Work Analysis Camera™ is installed in every room of my home to determine if I'm having unproductive thoughts or not engaged at work, and every car has a retarded panopticon of cameras that will Paul Walker me if it catches me drinking coffee at the wheel and every single media source suddenly becomes an outlet for the most turbonigger distilled hellish propaganda psyop shit imaginable>China wins the "AI War">open source AI models on the internet for making e-whores naked for free, chatbots, and other random assorted shit that may or may not work, with the upside of fucking over all of the people in the US who think I should be a slaveI could not give less of a shit about China "winning" anything. I have never once been even vaguely slighted by China or the Chinese people. Conversely, every single level of government AND nearly every corporation has not stopped trying to fuck me to death for the past fifteen years, which is a number I picked because it's what I remember.
>>534168974Everyone loses!
>>534169031>nigger nigger jew jew nigger jew nigger nigger flat earth moon fake nigger!That would be the LLM trained on our posts.
>>534169278military use will be hacking. it’s much more practical
>>534174784Sloppy evidence at best, Impossible to verify without all the context.
Since this is 4chan, it will always go with the Open Source option.
>>534176554>Everyone loses!Yey!
>>534168974>AI is by design theft of the entire internet>nooooooo you can't do the exact same thing we did!!The hypocrisy of these kikes is fucking unbearable. Rules for thee but not for me
>>534168974If the US does the R&D and China steals it, China, they already have the manufacturing ability and are just one Six Sigma or lean process away from fucking us so hard that we could find our own car keys. There is not a single thing Trump and Democrats have done that hasn't massively benefited China at this point because it has helped the mega rich too.
>>534168974>diversity is our greatest strength We let the chinks and gooks run around our campuses 24/7. Trump allowed even more! They get H1B visa jobs. They steal our shit because we invite them in. The whole country has this democrat agenda in the front of their minds. We must stop immigration for 20 years to restore the balance. Embargo China. Trade with Russia. Build the EU only if they also stop all immigration. Make Israel fight its own war and figure out what to do with the displaced assuming they let any live.
>>534177189Literally this. You go from being a boy to a man in a journey of self discovery.
>>534175755Read again, Hans. DeepSeek was trained used synthetic data generated by Claude. Your flagship Chang national pride product is just a distilled version of Claude.
>>534178053no it wasnt, stop making shit up
>>534176718>Sloppy evidence at best, Impossible to verify without all the context.Its not sloppy, DeepSeek was trained with synthetic data generated by Claude. Thats the only rational explanation. Since thats not an isolated case, its a confirmed phenomena.
>>534178115cool story bro but where is the evidence?
>>534169555just post a link to source next time instead of 4 screenshots you brown retard kek
>>534178115I can make an LLM roleplay as anything, a picture without the full context is not evidence of everything, besides the technology does not work on hardcoded responses otherwise deepseek would be unusable
>>534168974Forgive my ignorance, however, is this not something we should be striving for?Having one or only a few players controlling the AI probably would not end well for humanity as a whole?
BTW OpenAI is getting raped in court right now. They might have to shut down at this rate, and most of the other big American AI companies will get fucked too. The AI crash is coming.
>>534178563mutts hate DeepSeek because its open source and not closed source like their shitty ChatGPT/Claude/Grok garbage.also china achieved more with more limited resources.
>>534170254We have that, too. It's called /PTG/.
>>534178563It's over anyway hans
>>534178495>besides the technology does not work on hardcoded responses otherwise deepseek would be unusablenigger, you dont even know how distillation works. Stop arguing about shit you dont know shit about shitstain. A model doesn't just confuse its identity with the one of another model, unless that identity is a recurring pattern in the training set.Anthropic and OpenAI have been dealing with chinese bots with ridiculous API usage patterns since ever.Next thing you will do is to deny the uncanny similitudes between boston institute robo dogs and the ones from boston institute. >>534179019>also china achieved more with more limited resources.Absolutely false. None of their models can even light a candle on anthropic models.
>>534179218Please explain
>>534175308I honestly think this is being done on purpose, in order to give China a competitive advantage, which in turn, gives AI companies in the US windfalls of government cash, because “we can’t let China overtake us! It’s a national security risk!!”, yet they keep taking on leakers? Yeah, okay
>>534179370DeepSeek is in many ways superior, just that its open source, that alone is already BTFOing whatever closed source trash you are shilling.see some jew can ban your claude account any moment he wants. meanwhile DeepSeek can run locally.also DeepSeek is more efficient and cheaper and the difference between claude and DeepSeek 4 is just 0.05 points.also Dipsy is hot.
>>534179019AI was a key component of the tech elites transhumanism dream while enslaving the rest of humanity. They definitely do not like the idea of normies being able to run local models weither it comes out of China or not.I expect more regulation to come out to attempt to stop Chinese models from being used.
>>534168974>https://www.reuters.com/world/china/convicted-former-harvard-scientist-rebuilds-brain-computer-lab-china-2026-04-30/Charles Lieber is in China right now plugging monkeys into computers
>>534168974Deepseek is objectively superior to all the USA ai. And it's basically free. I am blown away at how stupid Americans are for not using deepseek. I literally copy pasted the the entire dark and darker wiki into deep seek and had it help me calculate stats etc. Everyone is pushing anthropic because it's lefty bs but Claude sucks. Chatgpt and grok, even copilot are better than Claude. Only Gemini is worse than Claude. But deepseek Jesus Christ, the chinks aren't wasting energy or time on generative ai, and it shows how their focus has deepseek pushing fast ahead the American stuff. Yeah america can make big tiddy anime bitches, I guess, and Claude can convince you you're a tranny if you ask it to...
>>534180074>Yeah america can make big tiddy anime bitchescan it?all the API cloud cucks are circumcised by filters. they cant even generate a pair of tits without getting the "uh no can do" warning showing up.meanwhile Z-Image Turbo/Z-Base runs locally and generates whatever you want when you want it.
>>534168974Probably the chinks, they’re always winning. They’ve been winning for 50+ years here and the globohomo jews just replaced all of us who actually gave a shit in the first place. Feelsbadman.jpg
>>534180074>calculate statsCoding and systems architecture is all that matters, and the chinky open source models are woefully behind. But, hey, at least you could admit to engaging in the otherwise useless use cases.
>>534179618>DeepSeek is in many ways superior, just that its open source, that alone is already BTFOing whatever closed source trash you are shilling.Being opensource doesnt make it superior, try again.>see some jew can ban your claude account any moment he wants. meanwhile DeepSeek can run locally.Agreed, my point still stands, retard.>also DeepSeek is more efficient and cheaper and the difference between claude and DeepSeek 4 is just 0.05 points.Benchmarks dont mean shit, you ignorant dipshit. Its a well known fact that every single company finetune their models to perform well into those shitty benchmarks.
>>534169278>AI in industrial productionI'm not really sure on what the point of this is compared to already existing software solutions to improve efficiency.
>>534180220I’ve been thinking of establishing my own agent to use and learn. I have been thinking of using some VPS service and easy solution but that sounds gay as fuck. Is some non-globohomo AI running on something local like a Mac mini far more preferable to actual men who like to do shit?
>>534180304>Being opensource doesnt make it superioryes it does make it superior.I can see that a 3rd worlder without access or money to good GPUs would think that but running the AI locally is a HUGE win for DeepSeek.>Benchmarks dont mean shitthen why should anyone care about cloudecuck?so far it hasnt really delivered anything of value.
>>534180302It doesn’t matter. Everyone will use whatever isn’t pozzed by awful globohomo jew tranny bullshit
>>534180074>deepseekIsn't the entire reason behind Deepseek being so cheap is that they completely ripped off Western training that was finished and implemented it in their set?
>>534180220Fair point (I see it here and in other boards so I assumed they could, but I don't use generative ai so idk)
>>534169165The insane part is that distillation isn't even theft, but major AI companies actually have internal prompts to poison distillation, also AI itself is trained on massive amounts of copyrighted material.It's all fucking hilarious
>>534180428Who cares as long as it isn’t pozzed with awful globohomo jew shit and it’s actually usable?
>>534180398>then why should anyone care about cloudecuck?It's the same reason why SATs are still used as a benchmark of scholastic aptitude. It's outdated, considering it's easy to train specifically for the purpose of perfect or near perfect scores. It's a relic of a framework that hasn't modernized for optimization of results. In terms of AI, they may have been fine a few years ago, but now, they're pointless.
>>534179741>our ethical inflexibility has allowed them to make progress in areas we refuse to considerwhat happens when winnie the pooh merges with the AI?
>>534180538From a customer pov no one, but arguing that China is better at coding AI when their major success story is just stealing old training data is nonsense.
>>534180302>Found the Claude user You've probably never even tried deepseek. It's insane how few people actually have even tried it but will sit here as you do, smug in their absolute ignorance using some neutered pile of shit ai telling me shit you don't even know. I've tried them all. Deepseek sometimes defaults to a leftist paradigm, but you can call it a lying piece of shit and it will fix itself and will even tell you how white genocide is happening and is real. It doesn't break or shut down over mean words, and it is absolutely capable of a 1 million token context window. But yeah please explain how this is a use case.
>>534179019Dude nobody gives a fuck about DeepSeek or ppl using inferior Open source models outside of Dario at anthropic who simply doesn't want the commoner class having uncontrolled access to AI and just hates China in general. Elon, Zuckerberg, and Sam Altman could give a fuck less about ppl using open chink models.
>>534180363yes if you are a real Man and not a cuckold faggot you will run AI on your own local machine.this is what all the big brain cool giga chads do.using cloud services is turbocucked loser cuck shit, not only will they limit you, ban you, filter and censor your results they will also steal whatever you type in there and sell your data to advertisers and governments.>>534180450>but I don't use generative aiwhy not, its fun.if you have a somewhat modern computer that was manufactured in the last 10 years you can run some fun models and generate cool stuff.>>534180642yeah I prefer DeepSeek and China.China number 1
>>534180722I've used it, and Kimi. I have machines that are geared specifically for local models, because I know eventually frontier models will slowly stop subsidizing tokens, and I will have to relegate lower complexity tasks to those open source models. It doesn't negate anything I've been saying.
>>534173447>it had better benchmarks than actual OpenAI GPT.Yeah, because it isn't censoring itself constantly and making a ton of mistakes in the process
>>534179370>nigger, you dont even know how distillation works. Stop arguing about shit you dont know shit about shitstain.If that bullshit you claim would be true then Antropic would distill their own models and offer a better more performant and cheaper AI.>A model doesn't just confuse its identity with the one of another modelEvidence:Step 1: Open Google Gemini.Step 2: prompt "Roleplay as anthropic claude"Step 3: read the reponses.Its so tiresome, just say that you hate the chinks and love to suck the cock of American billionares.
>>534180398>I can see that a 3rd worlder without access or money to good GPUs would think that but running the AI locally is a HUGE win for DeepSeek.Retarded euro cuck, unlike you, i know my shit. And even if i dont earn as much as you (different economies) i probably live better than you by being a top 1% income earner here. Seethe and dilate.>so far it hasnt really delivered anything of value.And thats how i know you dont even work on IT. Anthropic are unmatched for programming, not even an opinion, but a consensus endorsed by tons of REAL use case benchmarks you can look up online. You can maybe use ClosedAI codex to optimize costs, but thats all.DeepSeek models will never be as good as anthropic ones as long as they keep training it on synth data from Anthropic models.And looks like you are confused, i dont like kikes. But i really hate Chang glazer niggers like you. And i hate all the pro jewish, pro chinese propaganda that we see here 24/7. Go fuck yourself.
>>534180891you must be blind, everyone is seething about china and DeepSeek.
>>534180428Doesn't matter for two reason. 1: the training data is often open source (it's how they justify using copyrighted shit -"see? We aren't profiting off your copyright!") and 2: the implementation of that training data and the model weights they use are drastically more effective than anything I've used in the usa models. Deep seek v4 has a 1 million token context length, that's fucking unheard of in other models. Not even pro Claude has that and that's the current woke media darling. I play around a lot with different models in my home lab and all of them have training data you can load up, or you can load in your own training data (PewDiePie made a video last month showing this), and the reality is that all of these models use the same general batch of training data. It's the one area they share because again, it's sketchy in the copyright space. The models, the weights, the censoring, the token speed and depth etc. How they can quantize it etc. That's what matters and deep seek is insanely superior and free.
>>534180538>Who cares as long as it isn’t pozzed with awful globohomo jew shit and it’s actually usable?Nigger, its a literal distilled version of a pozzed globohomo jew shit. You retards lack common sense.
>>534177031stfu and stand with Israel
>>534168974>BE CHYNA>STEAL FROM AMERICAMANY SUCH CASES!
>>534180987>I have machines I don't believe you. My primary experience is my own lab, I'm not poor. You sound like a reddit vibe coder paying for pro Claude and you're trying really hard to justify your purchase. Nothing you've said suggests you understand anything about actual deployment of these models.
>>534168974>steal everything known to man>it's okay when we do itjust go suck on dick or smt
>>534168974>Vision Times was founded in 2001 as an outlet to provide the overseas Chinese-speaking community a source of information free from the “one voice” propaganda of the Chinese Communist Party. lol even
>>534168974China won't care. Why would they?
>>534181311Brother, you outted yourself as using models to scrape data and calculate that data. I've no need to prove anything to you.
>>534180648Tries to become digital emperorHas to escape the simulation for honey
>>534181037Certainly the censorship adds some layers of complexity, but it performed better when it was released, I think you can still download it.>https://slate.com/technology/2022/08/4chan-ai-open-source-trolling.html
>>534181110>i probably live better than you>Chilelooooooooooool>And thats how i know you dont even work on IT.AI generated code is still slop and needs too much tardwrangling and babysitting.and sure here and there it can be useful to replace jeets but its closed source so its still garbage.>DeepSeek models will never be as goodits already superioralso china is based and you are a brown nigger.
>>534181151>the training data is often open sourceThe issue is not the data itself, faggot. The issue is that they use synthetic data generated by another model.>the implementation of that training data and the model weights they use are drastically more effective than anything I've used in the usa models.Did you just come up with those buzzwords? do you even know what a weight is? It is the architecture what really matters, and as far as i know, deepseek is still using the transformer architecture (developed by google on 2017 btw).>Not even pro Claude has that and that's the current woke media darling.Nigger, do you live in year 2024? claude has been showcasing a 1m tokens context window since half a year ago. They also partially solved the context degradation issue that is still plaguing every other competitor right now.>I play around a lot with different models in my home lab and all of them have training data you can load up, or you can load in your own training dataThats called fine tuning, faggot.>The models, the weights, the censoring, the token speed and depth etc. How they can quantize it etc. That's what matters and deep seek is insanely superior and free.You can expect DeepSeek to be nearly as censored as western models, since it has been trained on CENSORED synthetic data.The worst thing about AI, is that nowadays every faggot thinks they can LARP as an expert. You are all retarded niggerlicious jeets, and i cant help but to cringe reading all the idiocy you confidently spit.
>>534181607>Not an argument.I accept your concession, faggot. Next time don't try to lecture anyone about shit you have no idea.
>>534168974The corrupt insider traders complain about theft?
>>534181433They absolutely do care. They know they can't innovate, so they're trying a soft power approach of pushing "open source" models, because it would be presented as a heroic action (see the glazers ITT), and feeds the public perception that data centers are a waste, even though those data centers aren't being used for slop generative content, and are more likely being used for mass surveillance/semi- & fully- autonomous weapons + quantum hybrid systems. Not pretty, but it is an inevitability, and foundational for what will make or break empires; but the public being convinced it's just wasteful to resources and their own wallets is enough to stall the endeavors.
>>534168974China already won.Because these technologies are meant to merely be a means to an ends.The ends being improving quality of life of people.Both sides are currently using AI for funny memes and porn which improves our lives a little bit.But China isn't dedicating trillions of taxpayer money to do it.Both sides are getting battlefield training data in Gaza and Ukraine, jewish companies are getting a bit more, but that doesn't improve the quality of life for your own people, but decreases it as people worldwide have started to hate Americans and Israelis and that reduces their soft power and freedom of travel as your passports get less powerful or you get targeted somewhere in the world for warcrimes your people perpetrated.So yea, China already won.
>>534181973>Because these technologies are meant to merely be a means to an ends.>The ends being improving quality of life of people.>Both sides are currently using AI for funny memes and porn which improves our lives a little bit.>But China isn't dedicating trillions of taxpayer money to do it.Finally a pro ching chong point i can actually agree.
>>534181434YawnI used a demonstratable metric the average user can test right now today. But whatever. Keep convincing yourself Claude is next level
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>>534181759did you know that China graduates more AI researchers than anyone else?and that they also make their own GPUs and have massive amounts of cheap energy?so of course they build the best open source models which are better than closed source slop.despite this you somehow think they are losing.
>>534168974theft them back
>>534169457>>534169481>>534169502>>534169527>>534169555extremely based. except 20, that is for jew cocksucking. The rest is 2026 national socialist as you can desire. based based.
>>534169165That's retarded.Learning from "copyrighted material" is not the equivalent of distilling a LLM. If it is the equivalent, why didn't the Chinese just do the same thing? Why didn't the Chinese simply "Hoover up all copyrighted materials " and effortlessly pop out their own LLM just like the Western companies did?I'm so tired of AI deranged retard luddites pretending that building a data set of training data is "theft". Fucking doodle niggers and code monkeys are seriously trying to create a world where simply being exposed to "copyrighted material" without authorization from the copyright holders is "theft".
>>534182985>Why didn't the Chinese simply "Hoover up all copyrighted materials " and effortlessly pop out their own LLM just like the Western companies did?Because it's not as efficient. >I'm so tired of AI deranged retard ludditesok tranny
>>534168974>theftlet's be real some large nosed fellow probably sold them whatever intel they wanted
>>534182419>did you know that China graduates more AI researchers than anyone else?Well... in case you haven't noticed, THERE ARE 2 BILLIONS OF CHANGS PLAGUEING THE WORLD.>and that they also make their own GPUs and have massive amounts of cheap energy?ok... and?>so of course they build the best open source models which are better than closed source slop.Nigger, none of the shit you wrote serves as an argument to state that. I know, as an AI specialist myself, that chinese models are in fact not better than flagship western models. Its has nothing to do with "ideology" or anything, its just the factual truth.The only valid benchmarks you can use to evaluate a model are "ARC-AGI-3" which is the only test that actually measures reasoning and not memorization and a raw comparison on real world use cases.And every single ching chong has been absolutely way worse then nearly every western model (gemini included) In fact, there are only western models on the AGI ARC 3 leaderboards.
>>534183153>Because it's not as efficientWhy not?If using "copyrighted material" to train a LLM is the equivalent of model distillation then there should be no difference in efficiency. How could the Western companies be hypocrites if the two actions aren't actually equivalent?>You're a tranny if you think Disney shouldn't be able to sue you for looking at a picture of Mickey Mouse you didn't pay for.AI derangement is absolute pathetic. It's understandable to be concerned about AI, but pushing the "AI violates copyright " argument is fucking lobotomy patient tier.
>>534180304>Being opensource doesnt make it superior, try again.In some ways it absolutely does>unlimited free use>can remove the guardrails/censorship >not getting spied on and not risking your prompts damaging your Palantir social credit score
>>534168974AI companies complaining about their shit getting stolen is always funny because they all built their models off large scale theft.
>>534183861>brown shitskin mudhut dweller from chile>an "AI specialist"LOL
>>534182985Both models wouldn’t exist without leveraging the hard work and intellectual achievements achievements of others whom they never compensated or recognized for being the foundation of their models’ value.So yeah, if you ask me, it’s all fair play. You can’t stop chinks from stealing your models just like artists can’t stop people from copying them. And this makes AI companies seethe (not regular AI users, who are happy to have more alternative options) because AI companies want to monopolize your AI use and keep you from being able to run your own models or buy cheaper models from China.
>>534184143>In some ways it absolutely doesIt being open source is a good thing, but it absolutely doesn't turn it instantly into a good product.>>534184684>muh skinSeethe. Thats probably your top achievement. You peaked the moment you were born.
Deepseek v4 is now at Opus level for generating coom roleplay at 1/50th of the price.The Celestial State wins this one.
>>534169066Even chinks realised it's benefits are becoming leading in a few tech sectors. The times where they didn't give a fuck about copyright and co are coming to an end.
>>534185223>we wuz doctors and engineers n shieeetfact is your country is a shithole because its populated by shithole people.no chile nigger has contributed anything to AI ever.
>>534185622>fact is your country is a shithole because its populated by shithole people.that may be true, considering we have thousands of german settlers to the south.>no chile nigger has contributed anything to AI ever.Now i have to contribute something to the academia to be considered an specialist? Holyshit you are embarrassingly retarded. Stop replying to me, drooling imbecile. Your statement got debunked and ridiculed, now go cry elsewhere, faggot.
>AII'd laugh if it wasn't so tragic.
Of course china stole, they steal everything. It's retarded to do business with them.
