Explain why command economy like in USSR couldn’t work with modern IT. >b-but the market t-the prices Why would you need that?
>>534178755>b-but the market t-the prices >Why would you need that?see exhibit a: the fucking soviet union, you moron
>>534179008>couldn’t work with modern IT.>modern IT Read.
Why did USSR collapse?
>>534179008that's like saying electric cars are retarded because a company 40 years ago failed to be profitable with their hackjobs of a car.
>>534178755Command economies can 'work' ,for a long time even, even Mises was aware of this (last parts of Human Action). The immediate problem would be who exactly would command it? You would always get a bundle of good you don't necessarily want
>>534179207Mostly due to political reasons. There are good books by Kotkin and Zubok which give huge amount of detail, I suggest you read them. It didn’t collapse cause of economy, and same as in reply to the Finn, notice the “with modern IT” qualifier.
>>534178755>>534179207>Why did USSR collapse? Globohomo from Switzerland and Club of Rome wanted it collapsed . So traitor Gorbachev sold USSR to globohomo agents.Reminder that all 3 worlds largest economies are centralized and Gov controlled. >USA, China , Russia.
>>534179171>>couldn’t work with modern IT.>>modern ITWhy in IT ??
>>534179500>There are good books by Kotkin and Zubok which give huge amount of detail,I am sure they describe Gorbachev being a traitor and selling USSR to the Club of Rome globalists??
>>534179582Information technology bro.
>>534179638No but both come to the same conclusion that Gorbachev’s catastrophic economic and political decisions caused the collapse of USSR.
>>534179669I know this. why are you narrowing it down to Information Technology industry? When all 3 largest economies in the world are command economies - USA , China and Russia. All are cenrally planned and centrally commanded by respectful govs. So why this wouldn't work in a smaller niche like IT?
>>534179324>The immediate problem would be who exactly would command it?That’s another topic. My implication is that in modern day with modern technology, command economy would be considerably more efficient than “free market”.
>>534179760It was after he sold USSR to the Club of Rome. I think whatshis name, Palavichini??? Was in Moscow? for agreements https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pallavicini_family
>>534178755>modern ITYou mean outsourcing it to India and AI? Surely that will work
>>534179207Lack of modern IT. That's what the Soviet "cybernetics" movement was about but they were sidelined
>>534179840>That’s another topic.But who gets what is precisely what economic efficiency is about, not really about sheer output of material
>>534179852No idea about that. I think Gorbachev was just an arrogant retard and a failure. I don’t think he was a “traitor” in classic sense. Just a very confident pseudo-intellectual who kept making one mistake after another while smelling his own farts. >>534179892No, I mean, that was one of the main problems of historical command economies, simple inability to process huge amounts of data and very crude methods of analysis and planning.
>>534179207It follows a garbage ideology (marxism)
>>534178755>work with modern IT.It could. You can can simulate any distributed algorithm with a centralized one. It's just that it can be very hard to do, since you need potentially more information about individual people than you can get.
>>534180199From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs. He who does not work, neither shall he eat.
>>534178755russia has too many ethnicities that sabotage each other on every turn due to cultural differences, malice or outright ethical hatred
>>534180508What if I need a dragon dildo, will the state make a dragon dildo factory?
>>534178755information systems kill communist bureaucracy, they need to do real workcommunist bureaucracy kills all information systems not to do any real workearly ussr labeled computer science as capitalistic prostitute and digital fascism then executed and imprisoned allsimple as
>>534180488I think you’re trying to invoke the argument of efficiency, and you’re correct in absolute terms of course.Problem is “free market” or “capitalism” or however you wanna call it isn’t 100% efficient either, far from it. Not to mention highly important political and societal and cultural side-effects of such a system. It’s just unsustainable in long run. Just look at United States, and look at it in a holistic manner and in long term.
>>534180699No, you will be given psychiatric help as you descended into degeneracy.
>>534180738>early ussr labeled computer science as capitalistic prostitute and digital fascism then executed and imprisoned allSource is you made it the fuck up?
>>534180617>in the mean time Russia has 160 tiny ethnicities>and 90% whitewhile USA >is 60% , dropping and has hundred million niggers and browns >the lowest iq ethnicities sies that Russia avoids. >niggers and browns in USA took over american cities
>>534180738wholly crap, sounds like a typical hohol jew.Show flag.
>>534180748All I really pointed out is that a command economy absolutely can theoretically be precisely as efficient as free markets. Of course, free markets don't have any optimality guarantees, so it's conceivable that a command economy could outright outcompete free markets. Historically they just haven't managed to do that because it's certainly a hard problem.
>>534180925russia pretty much lost it's intelligencia during 20th century and is running on semi witty actors who are really good at solving short term problemsamerica still has tons of brilliant people that hold the country together
>>534181065Free markets don't exist. Just like Communism doesn't exist, both are UTOPIAS. In modern day Financial Capitalism, any market will be immediately taken over by existing large Monopolies. Bascially any company that has access to bankster debt, private debt, or stock market , can raise a Billion $ tomorrow and take over any niche.That's why in US we have anti-trust / anti-monopoly laws. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_antitrust_law People who sell "free market" are either retards, or banker / monopolies paid agents.
>>534181065>Historically they just haven't managed to do that because it's certainly a hard problem.Yes but the game-changer is modern IT.
>>534181065Historically all 3 largest economies in the world - USA, China, Russia (was USSR) - are all command economies. In USA, the largest niche is Financial, (mortgages, stock market ,debt, derivatives , fake stuff etc.) 2nd largest producer of GDP is US Government.
>>534179207Operated by Russian retards. Nothing to do with the hebrew supposed virtues of crapitalism.
>>534178755market information pertaining to supply and demand is more readily and accurately calculated by a distributed system of independent profit seeking actors, each with access to their own unique information, than it is by a single actor with incomplete information and a singular market strategy. Distributed systems are always more resilient than centralized ones by nature. While it might be tempting to think that extremely advanced computer systems can overcome these shortcomings, that reasoning only applies to the scenario in which you, the economic planner, are the only one with a supercomputer doing economic analysis. In reality, there are many many actors with supercomputers; and, a distributed system composed of many independent supercomputers is still superior in the same way a decentralized system of humans is.
>>534178755Because the problem doesn't lie with the system itself or the framework used to manage it, the problem is literally conniving, corrupt and incompetent officials dragging it down from within. That's literally how the USSR went, there's no solving for human nature and even the patron saint of communism knew that.Basically every nation that has ever existed has spent all its time trying to figure out the least bad system that functions for the most amount of time.
>>534180920>>534180984https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUig0Qwnc4I
>>534178755KEK! If was up to the communists we wouldn't have an industrial revolution in the first, let alone develop an IT industry.Not even the rich and semi-communist China can inovate, they only replicate.
>>534179207Nikita Kruschev was doing fine but then the Soviets elected brezhnev.Under Brezhnev the soviet union allocated more funding to the arms race and left behind investments in science and technology.That wrong allocation of resources led to stagnation at the start of the PC age, with the tech sector underfunded in favour of the military the economies of the soviet union stagnated while the west grew. Also there were cases of parasite nations like Cuba that made everything worse.When the scandal of the molotov-ribentrop came to public knowledge the eastern european nations declared independence collapsing the soviet union.
It sort of worked, but one day didnt. Related video has never been explainedhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tO7HXrhHOS8&t=20s
>>534180925>90% whiteMutt, 70% of Russia is on the Asian continent.Also, the reason USA still functions is that they have most of the elites of the world, 80% of the population of any country consist of useless cattle that doesn't produce anything of value.
>>534179544>>534179638Gorbachev wasn't a traitor, he was a true believer who genuinely thought he was saving the Soviet Union, and if its moral center hadn't completely collapsed and people generally still supported the system it probably would have worked.
