>red pusher logic: You cant trust anyone>blue pusher logic: we should have a world where people can be trusted, the alternative isnt worth itWhich society would you rather live in?Are you FIT for a high trust society where we take care of our own or are you a selfish nigger?
>>534197205Are you paid to post on here anon?This thread has been posted multiple times in the past few hours.
Your response?
>>534197377They deleted the last one, I say fuck em
>>534197205Blue is suicide in a world full of browns and asians.
>>534197393Christ would go blue
>>534197467so you want to live in a world that's 99% browns? I'm sure you're one of them then
>>534197205>>red pusher logic: -deals with reality->>blue pusher logic: -deals with masturbatory delusions-ftfy
>>534197521The riddle isn't really about what you want, you can want the perfect society all you want that's not part of the problem.
>>534197205hmm so i should tell everyone to press the blue button then press the red button myself, just in case they let me down?
>>534197205Only niggers pre-occupy themselves with meme Internet bullshit. That's the whiteness test we're taking now.Have you taken the Tide pod challenge?
>>534197377he has been spamming it on every board for days now
>>534197205Red. I'm not gambling my life on billions of sub 90 IQ Africans/Indians pressing blue
>>534197205>Everyone presses red>Everyone survives>You are immune to people trying to fuck you overBlue pressers are retards. You can't even cope your way out of this.Logically, pressing blue makes no sense. Only muh feels "arguments".
>>534197752Only if your logic is "fuck you i got mine and I dont care about almost half of humanity dying overnight"Good luck getting on an airplane when half of all pilots DIE. Good luck getting your penis inspection done on time when half of all doctors and nurses are killed for their morality. Have fun with triple overtime every week when all your co-workers die and all thats left is infinite jeets your country has to import to replace all their dead.
>>534197205Blue are the same dumb as shit niggers that took the vax. Those fucking retards need to die.
>>534198025>Half the population will dieNot if they press the red button as well. Why would they press blue?
>>534198025>and I dont care about almost half of humanity dying overnight"The world is 7% white so that would probably be for the better.
The simple fact is, only the blue button has the power to hurt anyone. Pressing blue is unethical and causes people to die. Pressing red does literally nothing.You have to be literally retarded to press blue.
>>534197205holy fuck thats what its about? what a dumb fuck hypothetical
>>534198025Good, the only people dying will be the sub 100iq fucktards like you who gamble their life for nothing. Now, go get another booster shot you retarded goycattle.Also>coworkersLol, fucking idiot.
>>534198198Blue pressers are running a death cult. They want you to join them.
>>534198198>Blue, literally the "nothing happens" button if it wins>Red, who's win condition is entirely based on the other side dying >Somehow it's the blue button that hurts people
>>534198334That is correct. Pressing red does not harm anybody. Pressing blue causes you to die, if more than half of people press red. It is a CHOICE to press blue. Thus, pressing blue = causing harm. Pressing red = doing nothing.
>>534197488rent free, brown nigger
>>534197205>If you press the red button you live>If you press blue you might liveAlternative: why would you want to live in a world with sub 80 IQs who are pressing blue?
Reds are baby killers
>>534198334Yes, you incredibly dumb mother fucker.
>>534198334>Red, who's win condition is entirely based on the other side dyingWhat? Red survival isn't based on what others press, at all.No matter the ratio, they survive
>>534198334>>534198198You cant reason with these people. They entered a poll where blue was already winning and they were free to change their votes after seeing the results, and 10 of them voted red anyways to flip the blue majority and refused to change their votes. They are only motivated by killing, not self-preservation, all arguments otherwise are cope disproven by their own actions.
>>534197205>just accept a nearly 50/50 chance of dying when you don't have to to feel like a heckin good personhmmmmmno
>>534198401REPENT
Could the jannies get off their asses and start banning these normie horseshit threads?
>>534198473It's a logic test. If you're too stupid to realize that pressing red is the best strategy, I hope you do get killed. There, I said it.The fact is, if everyone pressed red, nobody would die. It is only by pressing blue that people can die. The only reason you'd choose blue is because you want to feel like a heckin wholesome chungus. Red is the only logical answer, and if people are too dumb to figure that out, the world would be better off without them.
>>534198385Or you could press blue, the button that clearly states that nobody dies if it wins. Blue objectively ensures that everyone survives and is the only sensible choice for the layman, only paranoid retards press red and the fact that they've deluded themselves into thinking that every single person on the planet would press red is pretty absurd
>>534198630>if you don't agree with me I hope you die!Lol ok libshit
>>534198630>if eveyrone pressed red no one would dieAnd yet youve seen every single time this poll has been done that people vote blue, significant undeniable masses of blue votes. A simple majority is easy, in fact the /pol/ poll had a majority of blue votes, that is until it was mentioned in the thread that blue had a majority, at which point multiple people joined the poll explicitly to make a red majority (again, this is a website where you can change your vote after seeing the results, so they could have just joined the blue majority). The only reason you would want to do this is to kill others, because there is no logical difference between a blue majority, and an individual red vote.Blue saving everyone is much easier and actually feasible compared to red saving everyone.
>>534198094no nigger would press bluewhites would have the highest rate of blue pressers on earthno jew would press blue
>>534198419Blues choose blue because they don't want others to dieReds choose red because they don't want to dieReds are all niggers or spriritual niggers. Empathy and intelligence go hand-in-hand.
>>534197205>>534197205If everyone presses the red button everyone lives. Pressing blue is suicidal empathy and the reason we are in this globohomo mess to begin with. Framing the question in this manor the empathetic outcome. In order to realize that everyone pressing the red button means everyone lives requires a degree of higher thought as it has to be inferred based on the logical outcome. If you're too stupid to realize this result or sympathize with blue button pressers you deserve to be selected out of the gene pool.The fix? There needs to be recourse in order to balance this problem for mass red pressing. Perhaps an additional statement that if >75% press red everyone dies. When framed this way there is only one logical end to which everyone lives.
>>534198562boomer cartoonists have pedophile-coded art
>>534197205Red coz you can't lose with red. All the retards taking blue don't understand the point of this stupid question.
>>534198945And if 50% of people voted blue, which is much easier and more realistic than 100% red and is the result of the original poll, everyone lives. Your argument is complete nonsense
>>534197205Remember that niggers, faggots, jews, spics, Indians, and chinks are voting in this and they outnumber white people by so much that the white vote is essentially irrelevant.
>>534197205Red is the only LOGICAL choice , it is not about trust.
>>534197752Why are you criticizing blue if you need everyone to press red for you to succeed?Why argue about this at all, are you that worried about your choice, is that anger of being seem as lesser because of it, or something else?
>>534197205>red pusher logic: You cant trust anyoneNo. Red pusher logic is there is no risk associated with red. I could trust 50% of the world and would still vote red.Blue is nigger and woman logic and you should hang yourself.
>>534198840>Blue saving everyone is much easier and actually feasible compared to red saving everyone.This is the correct answer. People mistakenly think this is an IQ test. It's actually a unity test. I get the idea that it's stupid to press blue. Obviously. But I have some real stupid family members. And they're stupid enough to press blue. I love them, and I don't want them to die. So I press blue as well because it increases their chance of survival. I don't press blue because I'm stupid, I know the "correct" answer is red, but caring about others is more important than selfishly saving my own ass.
>>534197588You should tell everyone to hit the red button and then they are all guaranteed to live minus a few retards who just the color blue and can’t parse information or want to die
>>534197205This word framing bullshit doesn't work on me.I press nothing because it requires less work.But if I was forced to under a scenario I would press red because it is actually the blue button that kills blue pressers if not enough blue pressers press it, while the red button does nothing.
>>534198025>Only if your logic is "fuck you i got mine and I dont care about almost half of humanity dying overnight"Like he fucking said only muh feels "arguments".
>>534197488Jesus Christ would pick blue, correct.Really that's all you should need to hear in order to pick blue. If you don't pick blue, you are highly unethical and at the best, you are just a selfish scumbag.
>>534198025You're a self-destructive retarded faggot, and anyone who presses blue in the first place deserves their fate.
everyone educated enough and therefore trusted enough that we all press the red button and no one dies. but of course we have retarded greeks running around who will press the blue button as you can see.
>>534198945>If everyone presses the red button everyone lives.Yeah but that's not gonna happen. We're what, 8 billion people? There's no way you can get everyone to press red. It's easier to get 50% to press blue.
>>534198562You don't help Jesus if you don't give you nation away to aztecs.
>>534197205Red = people who project their politics into everythingBlue = normal option >>534197580How do you know red pushers can be trusted? You don't know who they are.
>>534199324jesus helps those who help themselves
>>534199313>saying its bad when half of the earth dies is muh feelingsRed golems...
>>534198334This is language semantics.The person who does the killing afterwards is Steinwitz, he has the agent orange ready.It was never the buttons in the first place, it was the system.Steinwitz release the compound.
>>534199397How can I trust people who say they'll push blue and pick red? If you pick blue you are literally playing russian roulette for the fun of it
>>534199397>Red = people who project their politics into everythingHow is making the most logical choice projecting politics.
>>534197205Red pushers wouldn't stop tkd. So I'd rather live in a red world.
>>534199462IT IS! You don't fucking care you are just fronting.
>>534198840If nobody voted blue in the first place nobody would need saving. They are creating the problem then demanding you fix it by voting with them. It’s literally tranny logic. Agree with me or I’ll kill myself.
>>534199567Its leftist being typical fucking leftists and not even realizing they are doing it.
>>534197205I press the red button hoping I cull a few people.
pressing blue is like jumping off a building and expecting god to save you just because you ask
>whiteness test>push red button and kill billions of "people"who wouldn't push this>>534197715look at this slut for zebstrika
>>534199138>>534198876>im voting for the white genocide button so I can live in a world with nothing but niggers and jews afterwards!!!Amazing argument, red fag
>>534197205>blue keeps winningredfags BTFOeveryone will survive AND SO WILL YOU
>>534199397>How do you know red pushers can be trusted? You don't know who they are.I don't need to trust them.
Believe me when I say, I didn't choose to press the red button, I was forced to press it. Steinwitz release the compound.
>>534199328Pressing red is getting behind the trolley and pushing it over the tracks with your own hands
>>534199662>with a margin of ~8%
it's a shitty hypothetical. you would only pick blue in an attempt to save actual morons while putting your own life at risk
>>534199758The jews did this, I am sure. Steinwitz release the compound.
>>534199758pressing red is getting off the tracks. thats it.
>Red pressers: "Heh, there is no downside to pressing Red! I survive regardless of result!">More people press blue regardless>Red pressers: "Hey, you do know there is no downside to pressing Red, right? You're so stupid!">Blue still has the lead>Red pressers: "Stop pressing Blue! I am not a psycho that wants all Blues to die, I want everyone to press Red! It doesn't matter to me because either way I live!">Keep pressing Blue>Red pressers: "STOP FUCKING PRESSING BLUE I DON'T WANT BLUES TO WIN! I MEAN I STILL WIN NO MATTER WHAT! STOP!"
>>534199662Red survives no matter what. Blue pushers are retards. It’s that simple.
>>534199740I knew this would turn into some kind of Nazi agenda, lol
>>534199853nice seethe
>>534199853There is literally no valid reason to press blue.>but we have to save all the people who are too stupid not to choose deathWhy?
>>534199891My team is winning :D
>>534197205Stand underneath a giant crusher or stand on a giant pressure plate that will activate the crusher if enough people stand on it?Anyone with a brain would avoid the crusher.
>>534199542Im just being logical that complex systems around the world would break down and it would be apocalyptic, especially for white countries, if blue loses. There are second order consequences to mass genocide and thanos snapping.
>>534199932sportsbrained retard
>>534199877it's a whiteness test and sadly you failed
>>534199929>No valid reason to press blueWell Blue is winning so you shouldn't mind either way.
>>534199853>>534199889VERY WELL.It was me! I released the compound, there was no Steinwitz. There was no button.
>>534199853>paki head canon
>>534197488The Christ would abolish this insidious system.
>>534199979nice seethe
>>534199994
>>534199853People only vote blue because there’s no real world consequences when it’s just an internet poll. Humans are selfish creatures, most would pick red if they were actually put in a life or death situation. You’re just signing a death warrant by picking blue.
>>534200021parroting is an admission of defeat
>>534199988My head canon had turned out to be reality.
It was Steiner who engineered the buttons. The blue button does not count and the mechanism will release anyway.Everybody join the Nazi party.
>>534200079xwitter polls are not reality tho
>>534199567Facts dont care about your feelings. In every poll about this topic, there has never been one where 90% are red. It is a recurring reality that blue has a large swathe of voters>if everyone would just-is not an argument when you see the results repeatedly signal that many people would in fact press the blue button. Its easier for blue to win than for red to save more than say, 70% of people
>>534199929I said in another thread that if blue pushers also got $1000 then at least they'd have a reason to risk their lives by pressing it. But as the question stands, there is zero logical reason to do so.
>>534197205There are more Africans and nonwhites on this earth.
>>534199994This. Any button merchants would be whipped out of the temple shortly.
Ok I have stopped having fun with this. All nazis are traitors by the way.
>>534200062Oh so their is no consequence to the poll at all?Okay!>*presses blue*>>534200078Polls say I am winning though
>>534200134If it isn't then why is this board obsessed with Twitter?
>>534200062In real life, more people would pick blue since there are actual consequences for blue failing to win here. Thats actual family members and countrymen you will never see again and you were responsible for betraying
>>534200141Yeah, and you don't see a problem with people who can't solve a simple logic problem truth table voting?
>>534199999>>534200000
>>534197205Well, my people voted for a low-trust society so i treat it like one. Red, every time.
>>534198025Literally all anyone has to do, in order not to die, is press the red button. There is NO REASON to press blue. NONE. Press red and you live. It's the obvious choice for everyone.The only reason to press blue is to help retards that also press blue. You have to be retarded or have suicidal altruism to press blue. Press red and you live. And if everyone presses red, then everyone lives!>inb4 what about babies and disabled and elderlyThe hypothetical days EVERYONE gets to choose a button to press. No exceptions were mentioned. It's a hypothetical scenario and it is assumed that everyone gets to make the choice. Don't make up extra conditions just to justify your stupidity at pressing blue. You're not a good person; you're an idiot.
>>534200261I trust that my family members are intelligent enough to not pointlessly risk their lives.
>>534197205you are a dumb nigger, you are the blackest retard gorilla nigger I have ever seen
>>534197205red. blue is brown and christcuckery
>>534197205Alternatively, red pushers also want a high trust society, as in a society where you can trust everyone to think logically, because everyone pushing red guarantees everyone survives
>>534197205I wouldn't want to live in a world where over 50% press the red button, so I'll choose the blue one
>>534200343There is a reason, evidence points to blue being around half the votes every time its polled. Everyone pressing red is just a delusional cope you people keep bringing up that has never once been demonstrated by polling. >dont make up conditionsI didnt make up any conditions, you are just another deranged red coping with your guilty conscience.
>>534200414thisRed: sane, logical, 100% undefeated in perpetuityBlue: unnecessary risk, false altruism, suicidal retardation
>>534197205Red: 100% chance of survivingBlue: <unknown>% chance of survivingOH I CAN'T DECIDE VERY DEEP COMPLEX CHOICE!!11
What if the button is a test of humanity's character by aliens and the blue button pressers actually all get to live no matter what and the red pushers all die unless 50% of the people are blue pressers?
>>534200669What if the button is a test of humanity's intelligence by aliens and the blue button pressers actually all get culled no matter what and only the red pushers are invited on the ships?
>>534197377He's literally retarded. Perhaps an effort to make this board less interesting.
>>534200669So you're saying its a 180° flip of the logic table because you find suicidal empathy morally superior. That's not the question though if you think Spock would actually appreciate flipping logical outcomes because of your personal feelings you must not have watched too much startrek. That character is more autistic than I am.
>>534200576>evidence points to blue being around half the votes every time its polledSo what? Blue pressers are suicidal. If they choose to die, why is it your problem? It is literally their choice.>Everyone pressing red is just a delusional copeRed = live. It's that simple. No delusion necessary, unlike your delusional trust in people to press blue. What if you're wrong? Then you're dead. But if red pressers are wrong? It doesn't matter. We live no matter what.>coping with your guilty conscienceWhat is there to be guilty about? Pick red and you live. That's literally what the hypothetical says. There is no reason not to pick red. People that pick blue are doing so because they didn't understand the hypothetical and think blue is the "good got" answer. They are too stupid to live.
>>534199328>>534199758How about this?
>>534200373lmfao
>>534197205Red button 100%, Blue button are the liberals who want to save the niggers of Africa or something like that at our expenses
>>534200939>delusional trust in people to do the thing that wins every time its polled>what is there to be guilty about? I just pressed the button that kills almost half of humanity if it surpasses the blue button. Should have been logical, doctors, lawyers, pilots, soldiers, mothers, engineers, whites.Its delusional to think everyone would press red, but much like this entire experiment, you clearly misunderstood the premise, because I was not saying that an individual pressing red is delusional.
>>534198025> I dont care about almost half of humanity dying overnight"Anon I already pushed red, you don’t have to keep selling me on it
>>534201266>a bunch of whites are polled >trust in people wins every time I'm sure when those billions of sub 90IQ retards from the 3rd world vote it's going to go as well as you think.
>>534201266The problem is shifting the blame to red pressers or implying that blue blood is on their hands or it's the result of a low trust society. It's not that I don't trust people. I see blue as purely illogical. What other people press is outside my locus of control. There is no penalty for 100% red pressing. Other people can either come to the same conclusion or get the rope. It's thier choice.
>>534201415You mean the guys that still practice communism to this day and have insane level of racial solidarity/coethnic preference? Yeah, i think they are much more likely to vote blue than the more individualistic and deracinated whites. Remind me, what ethnicity is that communist that won in new york city?
>>534197205high IQ stitch incoming:pressing the blue button assure you survival if only you are in a world where most people live in a high trust society, where survival is fought through collaboration, you think about a stranger in the world as your brother, as your sister, as your mother and et cetera.now if you press the red button you absolutely believe in yourself only and nobody else should be trusted other than yourself so clearly a Macchiavelli action is the best.or maybe what I just said is total crap?you see, the real problem lies on what people's IQ tell them to do, because....pressing the red button is the safest option in every outcome.if the average IQ tells you "oh no, I have to press the blue button because I believe my vote has a direct effect on everybody's outcome", which it doesn't, you can't trust's people action because self preservation is the name of the game, pressing the blue button means you are willingly ready to die on a chance of self suicide where you fucked or a hope that you saved yourself because someone was dumb enough to take the same risk as you.this game is a beautiful representation that being blessed with autism is the guarantee of survival when it comes to distrusting idiotic normie's decision making on survival
>>534201415It's just a test on the socially approved opinion™Would you do something suicidal just because it's acceptable or would you save yourself by going against a taboo?If the stakes aren't perceived as real, most people would choose the virtue signaling
what is this bullshit about high trust societyI did not force you into making a riskI did not force you into blue pressingI am not pulling the triggerblue pressing achieves zero gainno extra tech, no extra comforts, nothingI do not want to see you dieI do not want to see anyone dieso don't push blue you fucking retardblue retards are auto-culledsounds like heaven
>>534201830It's emotional blackmail. They work exactly like the liberals who say but think of the starving nigger childerinos in Africa
>>534201830ngl if it was just white people I'd probably pick blue. something to think about I suppose.
>>534197488CHRISTKEK
>>534201830Applying your exact same logic:Red lineIf no one crosses it, everyone livesIf one person crosses it, everyone dies except that personBe youCross it"I did not force you into making a risk""I did not force you into staying put""I am not pulling the trigger""Standing there achieves zero gain""no extra tech, no extra comforts, nothing""I do not want to see you die""I do not want to see anyone die""so don't just stand there you fucking retard"
>>534197205Dumbest fucking virtue signal yet. If everyone pushes red, everyone's fine but with zero risk. If everyone pushes blue, you might still be fine, but there's a nonzero chance that up to 49.9% of everyone dies. This isn't an exercise in selfishness, it's one in understanding extremely basic odds. 58% of people not understanding super basic math tracks actually.
>>534197205If you want a world where people can be trusted then don't go endangering your life for no reason by pushing blue and maybe we can trust you.
>>534202477that's not the samehow is that the same? that scenario is completely differentin your scenario everyone's already unified on one side, each with access to a nuke or something (potential >99% death rate)in the actual scenario, the button is a novel one-time private vote with zero prior history, guarantees, or expectations and has a maximum death rate of 50% (the retard blue pressers)a similar comparison would be:Red lineIf no one crosses it, everyone livesIf one person crosses it, everyone livesIf forty percent of people cross it, 60% are in dangerI am going to cross it, please follow me to safety
>>534197205TAKE THE RED BUTTONCHANGE IT TO A BIG RED DOORIT'S ACTIVATED BY GOING THROUGHWRITE "EXIT" IN LARGE LETTERS ABOVE ITNOTHING ELSE CHANGES JUST THE SHAPE OF THE RED BUTTONNOW THERE IS ONE BUTTON THAT MAY RESULT IN DEATH AND A RED DOORWHAT DO YOU TAKE?>b-but you don't get it some retard might have pressed the button instead simply leaving>I have to join him!ANYONE WHO THINKS LIKE THIS IS INSANE
>>534197205the ultimate flaw is that the entirety of this question is founded on the simple problem of retardsobviously if everyone were to just push the red button, nobody would die.the problem is that we all know that some people are going to be outright incapable of handling the scenario, and will push blue.the question is, are you willing to risk your life to save those few retards along with all the others trying to save them. or are you going to going to vote to keep yourself alive.all other conditions aside, its just natural selection.if you're incapable of handing the question, society is better off not having to drag you around. humanity has needed a culling of retards for a long time.if you're so hellbent on saving those retards, society is better off not having to deal with you trying to drag them and every third worlder along with us.its not a matter of high trust or low trust, its a simple matter of not pushing the kill yourself button to try and save those who pushed the kill yourself button.>babies will press randomly! you HAVE to save themincluding groups like that, browns will overwhelmingly press red because they are ALL self centered.there is no beating the 90+% brown population of the globe.if it wasnt for them, this argument would have weight. but if you remove them, the hypothetical loses weight and we can just say "why not remove babies too since they cant even read?"it sucks that half of them will die, but voting blue to save them is to throw yourself against a wall of infinite shitskins.>>534201266>oh but it wins on social media polls!selection bias and lack of real consequence.social media is going to be inherently filled with virtue signalers that pick the feelzgud option. its not reflective of the globe's opinionsand as this is not a real world scenario real world consequences are not felt. its not an actual life or death choice, most people saying "i'd press blue!" would wuss out if this were real.
>>534203304>some retard57.9% of people in the OP. Not, "some retard". Anything to alleviate your guilt for betraying humanity though, eh?
>>534197467Aren't asians high trust, or is that just your precious japs?
>but the babies!it is will known the parents push the button for the babies until after they turn 17 years 364 days 23 hours 59 minutes and 59 seconds
>>534203304Yeah, it's interseting how you can represent the exact same problem in various ways, and that massively affects what people choose. I would modify yours like this:There are two doors, a red door and a blue door. The red door is a direct exit. The blue door leads into a gas chamber. If more than 50 % of people enter the gas chamber, everyone can exit it; otherwise everyone inside gets gassed. Which door do you pick?
>>534197488Christ would not support pressing blue, as that is suicide. He pressed blue for you 2000 years ago so you could press red.
>>534203475china's whole thing is that its a nation of backstabbersthats +1 billion to the red button.
>>534198025Wew lad, is imagining these fatalistic scenarios the way you get it on?
>>534203325Okay now make it 3-4 billion humans.>>534203492No, the red button quite explicitly kills anyone that didnt press the red button. The real scenario would be that if you go through the red door you also have to turn the valve that releases the gas and after 4 billion people turn the valve everyone inside the gas chamber dies.
Interesting mental gymnastics OP.Not my problem.
>>534197205To me this was showing that if the thoughtful more upstanding people are willing to let 50% plus die they would be rewarded with a utopia and lack of future turmoil. But then you have to wager if your soul will be cursed in the process and if you just end up surviving alongside psychopaths and anarchists. If going blue basically nothing changes but you miss a potential to save the world. Kind of a touch question but the easy default would be blue.
>>534203638>No, the red button quite explicitly kills anyone that didnt press the red button. The real scenario would be that if you go through the red door you also have to turn the valve that releases the gas and after 4 billion people turn the valve everyone inside the gas chamber dies.So which door would you go through in my example as I stated it?
>>534197205I dont trust that more than 50% of people are retarded or suicidally empathetic enough to pick blue. And since I am neither retarded or suicidal, I will not pick blue either. Also, ive heard bluefag arguments before>if over 50% of people take the jab everyone lives why wont you take the jab you will only die if less than 50% of people take it. What is wrong with you are you a antisocial antivaxxer? Do you want to kill all those people?! you are literally killing people by not taking the vax! No job for you if you dont take jab.You dont have to touch blue button. Picking blue is a choice, ergo not my problem if bluefags die. That is the future they chose. They could have voted red. I am not required to follow because other people choose to jump off a cliff with 50% chance of survival.
>>534198273>unemployed neet retard is a redfagReally makes you think doesnt it?
>>534197205this isn't about the world you WANT, its about the one we HAVE. if we had a majority white western world i would push blue, but we don't, we have a world full of third worlders who will all push red. pushing blue is suicide when africa and china exist.
>>534198427Yeah, sure, whatever. Hell, let him say that all blue pressers are your loved ones, and kitties and puppies of the world, and you wake up on a south african earth if you even think about pressing red. Jesus, fuck off.
>>534197205>Pressing blue is the only way to introduce danger >People arguing for blue argue that reds are killing them>Meanwhile no danger is introduced AT ALL until someone chooses blue.>Why blue?>Because they have a savior complex>while simultaneously assuming everyone is too stupid to act in their own interests (not opting into the chance of dying).This is dumb. It doesn't even have anything to do with selfishness, or empathy. It's literally just are you too dumb to comprehend basic game theory.
>>534197205>be white>hold "whiteness" test wherein I believe a true white man will pick the altruistic blue button>only a shitskin would press red>oops>global population is <9% white>all white people press blue>all shitskins press red>all whites dieOP is a retard
Why are most red pressers so hostile? I can understand pressing red if you just don't want to die but 90% of red pressers say shit like "My own family deserves to die if they press blue". Why do none admit that losing loved ones is tragic and instead genuinely wish death upon people they supposedly care about.t. no button presser
>>534203693There's no downside to pushing the red button, everyone would push the red button.This game is stupid.
>>534203325>browns will vote redWhite people are the individualistic ones>>534201605>lack of consequencesAs opposed to real life where you would be killing almost half of humanity and likely people you know if red wins? Yeah i think the consequences for voting red are actually much more dire in real life than in a poll. Do you want to see a world where half of the people that make society run disappear suddenly? If you vote blue, you are actually contributing to saving real lives, not virtue signalling.
>>534197205Jesus Christ you niggers are still trying to push this?
>>534203969>inb4 blues chose deathImagine going like "Yeah my mother deserves to die because she pressed blue as she was worried about my survival."Even if her choice was stupid how does that warrant such an evil reaction?
>>534203969>Why are most red pressers so hostile?Honestly, from what I've seen, it's blues who keep calling reds evil and immoral murderers, whereas reds call blues stupid and ignorant. I think I'm rather impartial too, since I don't really know which button I would click.
>>534197205It's not moral to expect others to put themselves in a position where they might die just to improve your chances of living. The moral choice is to take care of your self without the expectation of external intervention that could cost someone else their lives. Pushing red is the moral choice. Blue button pushers are virtue signaling zealots who expect others to put themselves into harms way to protect them as proof of their virtue. They are dangerous.
>>534200414This red is sanity. Blue is insanity
>>534204026i was typing a genuine response to another post of yours, but its obvious you're either baiting or are one of the genuine retards that'll push blue.
>>534197205It's not just trust. There is literally no downside to the blue button unless a large enough population literally needs to genocide up to 49% of the rest of the planet immediatelyAnd Jews don't make up 51%
>>534203859>a continent and a nation with chronic communism and racial solidarity are threats to the experiment>not the white boomers that literally invented fuck you i got mine, im spending my kids inheritance on a cruise
>>534201415>only white people follow Mr. Beast's twitter>third worlders dont have access to twitter o algoThe redfag copes keep getting funnier.
>>534197205>Being white is having suicidal levels of empathyYou know I was gonna mock you but you're kinda right actuallyAt least you'll die quickly and not have to live in a hell world with monkeys like I will.You know maybe I will go with blue instead.
>>534204026>As opposed to real life where you would be killing almost half of humanityIf you do the maths and assume a completely uniform prior, choosing the red button actually translates to an expected value of ~20 000 dead people. You could also reframe this problem simply as: Would you rather die yourself or have 20 000 completely random people across the planet die.
>>534203918You are the meme
>>534204313hmm
>>534204313Nobody has any chance of dieing until someone pushes the blue button. It is the fundamental cause of death in this situation. Pushing red does not matter unless you pushed blue.
>>534204100>pressing the "kill everyone but me" button is the moral thing>saving people is actually dangerousSatan would be proud of you. Gold medal in mental gymnastics
>>534203969Because they are genuine psychopaths. Redfags keep ousting themselves as selfish loveless faggots who cant even trust their own families to save them. Its either that, or they are just too scared to press blue. Malice or fear. No inbetween.
>>534203726Why are reds responsible for suicidal retards?>>534203969>WHY DO REDS WANT ME TO SAVE MYSELF INSTEAD OF FEELING LIKE A GOOD GOOOOOOOYYYYYYYY8000 GOY POINTS HAVE BEEN DISTRIBUTED TO YOUR GOY ACCOUNT, YOU CAN NOW GOY RENT FOR ANOTHER GOY, GOY
>>534197205>red pusher logic: You cant trust anyone>blue pusher logic: we should have a world where people can be trusted, the alternative isnt worth itIts actually the opposite. Think of it this way. No sane, nor rational person would ever willingly put them selves into guaranteed mortal danger, not a matter of you might get seriously hurt at worst, straight up you will die. No creature of reason would ever do this. Because this is irrational and unreasonable, any individual that would put themselves into that position for any reason, can not be trusted. Even if you assume they can be trusted, to do such a thing, would mean they would have to have some sort of ulteirer motive that is greater then their own self survival, meaning they are unknown, their motives are therefor untrustworthy. However, the red choice actually IS the most trusting society, the reason being is you know everyone who presses the red button, distrusts everyone else and or values their own survival greater then others, that creates a situation of the known, because any relational and sane individual would want to ensure their own survival. So no, the blue choice is actually the more untrustworthy side of things because you cant trust some one who does not even value the own existence. The red choice is the more trustworthy side because you know why they are doing it and can plan around that reasoning.
>>534204428How come you never bothered to answer which door you'd go through in the gas chamber problem?
>>534204386We are trying to save the blues though? Shit analogy. Of course the redfag doesnt get it.
>>534204386>another strawman to remove moral culpability from the red button and completely change the original premise
>>534204428Yes. There is only one choice that results in death. If you took care of yourself properly then you wouldn't need anyone to save you. You expect others to risk death to protect you. You are not a good person. You are the same type who expects me to get vaxxed to protect you.
>>534203969>Why are most red pressers so hostile?they're fucking boomers spiritually
>>534197205You can't just force a high trust society. Bluetards are regular retards.
>>534204456>strawman that completely ignored my pointI have no problem with reds arguing for their position, in fact I even validated one of their arguments. I just asked why so many of them are so hateful in justifying their position. Nigger get some reading comprehension.
>>534204496Do you think after everything I argued in this thread that I would turn a valve to gas billions of people to death?>>534204486>people have never ever sacrificed their lives for the collective before, its untrustworthy behaviorPeople literally sacrificed their lives to retrieve pieces of cloth from a battle field. Live in the real world nigger.
>>534203569This is the correct opinion.
>>534204635>I just asked why so many of them are so hateful in justifying their position.>The side that picks blue that is spouting how altruistic they are, and how good morally they are for picking blue, is upset that the other side is screaming at them for taking the option that only works if they convince 51% to join in a suicide pact.
>>534204486There is no scenario in which a 100% percent of people are going to either press red or blue. So you can discard all of your pseudo-intellectual babble since right from the get go you are not acknowledging the mathematical impossibility of 100% of humanity pushing the same button. That said. The choice rests on you. Do you want to save or kill other people?
>>534200962Why are the people tied to the tracks in the first place?
>>534204510The blue ones are the same ones who want to try and "save" all the niggers and shitskins and feel a sense of duty when ever Schlolmo Goldberg whispers the newest holocaust revelation into their ear. I press the red button because I want the blues to die because they're a danger to themselves and everyone around them.
>>534204673>Do you think after everything I argued in this thread that I would turn a valve to gas billions of people to death?I never asked you to modify the problem and answer your modified version. I suppose you did that because you suddenly felt that it would actually be kind of silly to walk in the gas chamber. I asked you to answer my problem exactly as I stated it.
>>534204727Scale the problem down. There are only 2 people, you and another personDo you trust another person to pick the blue button?
>>534204727I want to live in a sane and rational world. That is the world where everyone pushes red. Blue button pushers are lemmings.
>still strawmanning, misreading and interpreting delusions into my postsNiggers be niggin.
>>534197205Guys hear me outBut what if we took the prisoners dilemma...Removed any downsides for being a selfish backstabber...Then framed it through a political lens...
>>534204515>the original premiseThe original premise is framed and worded in a specific way to hijack your pathological altruism into doing something objectively insane. I won't even say retarded because even a retard could be reasoned with and comprehend why they should just go red. To whip up an entire whirlwind of moralistic cope to justify an objectively dangerous course of action just because baked into the premise is the possibility of being seen as a savior is insanity. It is also the entire point of the thought experiment, to expose biases for all to see. You are willing to risk your own life and the lives of anyone who you can manage to convince so you can feel good about yourself after the fact. There isn't much that you could do that is more selfish than that.
Alright lets do this for the people who keep arguing "not my problem". If you were the swing vote, the final presser in this case and it was tied 4 billion to 4 billion even split. Are you still pressing red? You know for sure that you are the final decision. What is your choice? Red or blue.
Fucking Christ are these stupid threads still going? Without any political context to the decision, there's literally no reason not to press Red since Red pressers can't lose meaning anyone who presses Blue is choosing to commit suicide. What retard thought of this? Is it supposed to be clever?
>>534204088This, blues are moralfags. Moralfags aren't really moral though, their "weapon" so to speak is guilt tripping, shaming, and sentiment, which is meant to make you feel bad. This is actually worse than someone being overtly selfish or calling you stupid because they're using morality as a weapon for their own gain while acting as though they're selfless. This is basically slave morality in a nutshell, it's how cults are formed, it's how bpdemons act, it's a feminine tactic in general.
>>534204846That's not the question is it? You don't know how other people are voting. That's the whole point.
>>534204784Yes.
>>534204727>There is no scenario in which a 100% percent of people are going to either press red or blue.There might be. You can be pretty sure that 100 % of non-suicidal people will choose to not commit a suicide today, for instance.
>>534204846Yes red you stupid moron, a 50/50 split with the condition being you die if you're wrong means you'll choose the option with the 100% chance of success.
>>534197205>Red pusher logic: if everyone pushes red, nobody dies
>>534204895So you believe that another random person that you do not know, would also trust you whom they do not know at all, to prick the same choice?
>>534204928>blue pusher logic: If i convince 51% of the people to join my suicide pacts we all live.
>>534197205>red pusher logic: You cant trust anyoneThere is no downside to pressing red. If everyone presses red everyone lives.
>>534197205I would press red and desperately plead with everyone I meet to press blue
>>534204889That is the question here. Red or blue? You are the final vote and the tie breaker, go ahead
>>534205005>There is no downside to pressing red. If everyone presses red everyone lives.Conversely there's no benefit to pushing blue even if you win, meaning you'd have to be literally retarded to do it.
>>534205005>Red logic: I can trust that i cant trust anyone.
>>534204902>Suicide! Suicide! Suicide!Have you considered some people press the blue button out of a desire to save other people? You think someone trying to save a drowning person from a river only jumped in because he wanted to kill himself? Why are redfags so dishonest? Its like they think constantly shouting their suicide strawman makes them looks smarter.
>>534204486You nailed it. A society of "red pushers" is akin to Isaac Asimov Foundation premise. Is being present on the moment, not being deceived, and sticking to the truth no matter what. Is teaching people to take care of themselves that actually help them in long term, and give them power to afford to care about others they are close to, not treating them like retards and assuming the worse of their incompetence, which is mostly a projection of our own shortcomings and tend to seed resentment in others due to a warped, backwards perspective of the world that set them to failure. >>534204727That rethoric you keep pushing in the text of your pic also applies to blue. Not everyone will just push blue, and in the same way you imagine people pushing blue by mistake, i can also figure that people press blue to die and bring other with them knowing damn well that it will lose. >>534204856Is supposed to bait you to feel upset at this point. And maybe to further you into misanthropy. I used to think that it was just a puzzle purposefully worded vaguely that brought interesting results, but at this point, i'm not sure. Who knows what equivalent of this question is coming for the human race later on.
>>534204635The blues are creating the issue, blaming reds for it, and cherry on top they have to preach about how moral they're for choosing the socially acceptable answer in a game without real punishments.That's ridiculously passive-aggressive
>>534197205Reality vs fantasy
>>534197205If red won it would imply most people are psychopaths that would murder anyone pro bono.
>>534204058Fortunately my mother isn't a retarded nigger.
>>534205040No there is only ONE upside to blue winning, and that is for blue pushers to have a moral superiority over others. Blue is 100% the psychopathy choice.
>>534203638>No, the red button quite explicitly kills anyone that didnt press the red button.The red button doesn't do anything. The blue button kills you. If, instead of pressing the red button, you pressed a green button that also does nothing, nothing would happen simply due to you pressing the green button.
>>534197205I would rather live in a high trust society.The problem is, I know we don't live in a high trust society, and almost everyone that says they would push the blue button is just virtue signalling, and would not hesitate to push the red button if the situation wasn't hypothetical and there were actual real world consequences.You can pretend you aren't a selfish nigger all you want. I know you are a selfish nigger. A dishonest selfish nigger.
>>534205081I would pick red and then kill anyone who picked red. If they didn't believe in green.
>>534205066I don't get why blue-voters are so god damn nasty all the time. I can't argue against them at all without them starting to spew insults at me. Which is ironic because I myself am inclined to press blue precisely beacuse I'm certain my sisters would do the same. So yeah, I would vote blue, but I'm starting to hate blues.
>>534205073>Is supposed to bait you to feel upset at this point.I guess but if taken politically it's saying Republicans literally can't lose, which doesn't seem like an insult. Maybe it's for AI analytics harvesting or something.
>>534205027Red. A world without blues is a world without virtue signaling group thinkers. No more "you have to take the shot to protect me". Pathological altruism is suicidal, it's going to kill the west. This would clear that up right away.
>>534204951Its matter of not wanting to kill people. I dont want the risk of killing someone. If my choice damns me, then so be it.
>>534205125But they wouldn't even have that, they would have deliberately made the less intelligent choice and they wouldn't ever win unless you could convince 51% of people to vote against their best interest, which I guess wouldn't be impossible in globohomo retardo world but still. Maybe that's what they win, satisfaction that they manipulated retards?
>>534205079The problem already existed since so many would press blue for whatever reason they wish. You can curse them for their stupidity if you wish, but you cannot change that situation. All you can do is either vote with them hoping to reach 50% or vote against them and potentially condemn them to death. Either way, the majority is collectively responsible for the results of the vote. If the vote ended in 55/45 You cannot say 50% of red or blue voters were responsible for the outcome, but the extra 5% that also voted red or blue are not culpable for the outcome. In this thread, blue can take responsibility for their button press, yet red cannot. Strange.
>>534205066That's literally being oversocialized. Durkheim literally typified that as suicide by over socialization.It's defined as suicidal even by the first study on suicide (and every posterior one)
If red won, it would also imply they would be surround by fearful nigger minded primitive sapiens. It would literally kill what's left of white people.
>>534197205I think a better (and lower risk) hypothetical would bePick RedYou get nothingPick BlueYou get a million dollars, but only if less than 50% of people didn't pick blue
>>534205081In real life red would win, blue winning in an online poll is just a microcosm of what's happening in the west basically. It's feel good morons who don't see the immediate consequences of their actions that leads to them importing a bunch of rape apes because they don't actually think nor use logic. What they care about is whether it makes them feel good and whether everyone else is going along with it.
Life is beautiful.Don't join a suicide cult.Love yourself.Press red and be happy.The Redchads will inherit the earth.
Blues don't understand the simple fact that red is win/win and blue is win/lose. Purging blue think and guaranteed survival is two birds with one stone.
>>534205166The meaning of the colors associated to the topics you're familiar with are totally irrelevant to the question, just like if you posted this on /v/ and they thought for a second that's Mario vs Sonic issue or something of sorts. However, expect to see these thread for weeks just like the trolley threads back in the day, until the discussion finally is exhausted. If they keep popping up and reaching bump limit, they will keep baking them, and honestly, it really keeps on giving because it put some things in perspective. I also imagine that maybe the fact that this site is dying could have something to do with it, so bringing these tangentially philosophical questions may serve as a way to keep the remaining faint flame going. Fucking Moot man, just make a damn Philosophy board already.
>>534197205Quite an eye opener see how new so many are to this topic; level one of how to extremism.The answer is blue.Places like Africa are the way they are because every other guy is playing king of the hill so they never cooperate long enough to get things done and focus on overall as opposed to purely personal direct gain.Picrel and the vast majority of modern society, engineering, medicine and science would exist without option blue.Congrats on outing yourselves as being spiritually African though everyone.
>>534205295What responsability do I have for the follishness of others?Do I need to open my house to the refugees too?To each one what's theirs. Fiat justitia, et pereat mundus
>>534205073>Not everyone will just push blue,Lol. Are you forgetting you only need 51% of blue pushers? Whats with the lame attempt to bounce back the same 100% rhetoric to blue pushers? It doesnt go both ways. 100% of people need to press red (mathematically impossible) in order for nobody to die. While blue only needs 51% for no one to die. That is way more doable and actually mathematically possible if your aim is to save other people.
>>534205157>2 posts later >>534205190
>>534205375How about this version?>There is a button. If more than 50 % of people press it, those who didn't press it die. Do you press it?
>>534205375Asuka best girl as always
>>534205425>wouldn't
>>534197205https://youtu.be/TxJE72MTeOE
>>534205425you've added all these hypothetical glorious benefits to blue pressing that don't existyou don't live in realitycome back to realityyour life is in dangerpress red
>>534205445Perhaps the responsibility of pressing the genocide for everyone except me button?>>534205470>another hypothetical that removes the deliberation and culpability of pressing the red button
>>534205455You still haven't answered the gas chamber question, so I'll just filter your ID now. You're clearly a malevolent actor.
>>534205417I mean it's most likely just shill sliding with vaguely meaningful sounding philosophical nonsense, any professor who put a question like this on their test would be giving out free points because it's literally a brain dead easy decision. The real wonder is how blue won on twitter but no one is discussing that level of retardation.
Red. I'm not fucking stupid. Anyone who presses Red who is White is intelligent to know that that only comes freely in homogenous societies. But even then, it has responsibilities.
>>534197377He's a seething blue pusher.Notice that how he has to manipulate the wording between "do you want to live or do you want to decide the group to enter a suicide pact that has a 50% chance of success"
>>534197205>red pusher logic: You cant trust anyoneNo, pushing blue is a pointless risk with no benefit. So it's the illogical choice.
>>534205501Spiritually.African.The problem is you're conflating the red and blue colours with US political parties.
>>534204635ANOTHER 8000 GOY POINTS + YOUR STANDARD 4000 GOY POINTS FOR LIVING IN GOYMANY HAVE BEEN DEPOSITED, BE SURE TO GOY YOUR LOCAL MUSLIM TO GOY YOUR DAUGHTER GOYYYYYYY
>>534205351If the world isn't blue, Why would I care to live in it? I would be dead, if red anyways, cause it would just go to show people don't have faith in a mutual respect for another man's life. Picking red, I would do what any red minded man would do and just go hunting for every piece of shit I see who doesn't give a damn if I live or die. So yeah, half of people who die deserve it. But not the right half, that's why this world is evil.
>>534205306Jumping into rivers to try to save people is a moral flaw now? Is that what you are saying? I suppose a coward would think that way.>OversocializedMaybe you are just a coping coward?
>>534205417>make a damn Philosophy board alreadyI'd enjoy that too
>>534197205This seems like a retarded version of the Prisoner's Dilemma Press the red button >you survive no matter what happens >everyone survives if everyone acts in complete self-interest and presses red>if everyone presses blue you still survive >if not enough people press blue you still survive Press Blue button>You WILL die in all circumstances unless at least 50% of everyone also presses blue
>>534205295I'm taking the ultimate responsibility to choose an option that does not put you in harms way unless you chose to be in harms way. I cannot hurt you unless you choose to be in a position where you can be hurt. Expecting me to put myself in the same position is not moral, it's selfish. If you chose to protect yourself then I wouldn't have to save you. You risk yourself and expect me to do the same to protect you. Saving blue button pushers requires others to put themselves in harms way. Reds expect no such thing.
>>534197205>>blue pusher logic: we should have a world where people can be trusted, the alternative isnt worth itSelf-destructive retard logic which has fucked the west over.
>>534204846Pressing red twice because lol lmao lmfao fuuuuuuck you
>>534205511Pressing the I want to live more than I want to die for others?Yes. That's basic self-preservation. What good is life if I'm not there to live it?As I've explained before, you're literally oversocialized >>534205306
>>534205525Would you click the button in this version >>534205470
>>534205425>browns (90% of the globe) will overwhelmingly press red, thats why you should press blue!im sure that you can see the problem with this
>>534205594Did he have a family? Did anyone rely on him? Was his death suffered by those that depended on him most?
>>534205470If everyone in the world is presented to it and understands what it does, then yes. It's literally a survival button with no downsides.
I'm white when I wanna be16 ethnicities so you see
>>534197488>My superhero would agree with my political beliefs. You aren't human. You're a mimic flesh sack powered by neurotransmitters. You have no soul, no higher calling, no will of your own.
>>534205295>if all your friends jumped off a bridge, would you?So glad my momma taught me to not be a retard follower
>>534205663I think you're missing the implied point of this meme.
>>534205470Why wouldn't I press the button here? Why am I entrusting my life to others instead of taking control myself? Is there a penalty to pressing the button and everyone surviving?
Before you were born they gave you a red and blue button in heaven that chose if you were born white or brown. That's why I chose blue.
>>534205594It's not comparable. You can know if you're a good swimmer, if you're prepared, if the river is manageable... beforehand.This is more alike throwing yourself to a river for a perfect stranger without knowing if you would make it at all.You seem to mistake idiocy for bravery
>>534205453>100% of people need to press red (mathematically impossible) in order for nobody to die.Is also "mathematically improbable" to have more than necessary to survive, if you are gonna see from that angle. You know what you keep saying about kids and grannies and little innocent women angels that may press blue by mistake for this and the other? What if their "mistake" is pressing red instead? Just because? Remember the vote is "the entire world", not just your discord server. While no matter what you say will never convince anyone to press blue from red, all the hypothetical are running only in our imagination, while the immediate facts available to you to confirm by yourself is that pushing red is the equivalent of walking off alive no matter what happens or not. >inb4 what if the buttons are false or from aliens that will rape you to death or a test from the christian god or Then there's no point in doing any thought experiment at all and all this thinking is worthless.
>>534205722>>534205775Interesting. I think red voters might simply be autistically logical, whereas blue voters are way more emotional because it seems to be way easier to make blue voters doubt their original choice by changing the wording into something that is functionally equivalent.
>>534205594>Jumping into rivers to try to save people is a moral flaw now?You picked maybe the worst example you could have. Yes, it is. Diving into a river to save people who can't swim is suicide and will negatively impact each and every person associated with you and especially reliant on you. One person can overcome your strength in their panic and drown you with them, let alone several. The fact that you don't know this only reinforces the idea that you lot are naive and more interested in the appearance and trappings of being helpful than the actual realities of it.
>>534205624>its selfish to push the save everyone instead of just myself buttonYou are saving more than just one person btw, its consistently at least 40% of people responding to polls that vote blue, usually being the majority. But again, to escape any culpability for your choice you narrow it down to one person that is suicidal.You people are always missing the point.>>534205519Like this fucking moron that cannot extrapolate an answer from my reply.
>>534205568no uthis is not a political thingyour soul is not in dangerthe future is not at stakebut your current life isRIP blue pressers
>>534205742Again, you are removing the culpability of pressing the red button and removing the upside of pressing the blue button
>>534197205there is litteraly no logic behind red.doing nothing is not a feat and you can screetch about it for 2 more week, blue presser
>>534205232I never said it was about killing people i asked you,Do you think a random person would trust you, and you would trust a random person to trust you?
>>534205568It's not conflating at all. Blue is consistent with prioritizing complete strangers of dubious IQ over your own wellbeing.This is sociological liberalism
>>534197205>>534198025>B-but half the population would die!No it wouldn’t. It’s be only the people who pressed blue, and the people who pressed blue are fucking retarded and won’t be missed.
>>534205828It's not hard to make a question like this that's not stupid, here:>If you press the red button, you have a 75% chance of not dying. >If more than 50% don't press the button, you have a 100% chance of dying. >If fewer than 50% press the blue button, everyone who didn't press the button dies, and 25% of those who did press the button die.Which do you pick anon?
>>534205868No I'm not missing the point. Blues are a danger to themselves and others. Pushing red is a win win because I live and group think zealots die. I don't want blues to live. Blues are pitbull loving blue haired open borders vax golems.
>>534199994fucking based, too much for the average blue or even christian
>>534205828Is not "austistic" telling someone to look both ways before crossing the street instead of closing your eyes and walk off in faith because "it would feel so magical if i made it trough".
>>534205828The red voter is the chud who tells you that refugees are violent apes from a shithole and they should drown in the Mediterranean, the blue voter is the liberal who preaches about being a decent human being while putting everyone in danger
>>534202477who the fuck are you talking to if everyone else die ?
>>534199994This.
>>534205828There is literally nothing for me to lose. If I am the only button pusher on the planet, great, the great mass of non-button pushers are safe in their numbers, and we're all fine. If most people are like me and save themselves before they save others, which I suspect, the only way to ensure my survival is to push the button. The red button has no downsides.
>>534197205Humanity isn't worth saving. Let the blue pushers go.
>>534205980I don't know. This is certainly not the same problem anymore, and I don't think it's even logically consistent either.
>>534205920>YOU DONT UNDERSTAND, THEY JUMPED OFF THE BRIDGE, YOU HAAAAAAAAAAVE TO SAVE THEMno
>>534205586People aren't "evil" for wanting to 100% gaurantee their survival at no other condition that sacrifices someone else except when a bluetard decides to create one and wishes for everyone else to join them so they live. Red is what's actually having mutual respect for another man's life is, it's understanding people care about their own interests and not expecting other people to just lay down their lives.> I would do what any red minded man would do and just go hunting for every piece of shit I see who doesn't give a damn if I live or die.Yeah of course a bluetard thinks like this. You are a bpdemon>WHAT, YOU DON'T CARE ABOUT ME? I'M GOING TO LITERALLY KILL MYSELF! IF YOU DON'T DIE WITH ME I'LL JUST KILL YOU INSTEAD.
>>534206141I specifically wrote it to be logically equivalent to the original problem. It's just a different presentation. It was supposed to make you feel more like a murderer than the original problem.
How stupid do you have to be to press red? Like your life is going to be fine and safe if up to 49% of the population just disappeared. The remaining red pushers would revert to eating each other within a decade. But oh no, if I pick blue I might die, and not get to live in the brand new world of short sighted monsters.Whatever had the power to force this kind of situation likely has the intelligence wipe out all the idiots that think survival is easier for the individual than the group. Would be a great way to trim out leech dna.
>>534205954>UGHHH PLEASE SAVE THE RETARDS, YOU HAAAAAVE TO PLEEEEEEASEEEEEUHHHHH THEY KNOW NOT WHAT THEYVE DONEEEEE READING COMPREHENSION IS LEEEE BAAAAAAAD
>>534197205
>>534197205But what if I have blind faith that everyone will hit the red button??? Self preservation is a virtue and championing it benefits the whole society. I'm not even American and I can tell this question is about the 2nd amendment
>>534206245Why would red button pushers hate each other? It's the choice of a respectful patrician. Reds are preferable in ways that blues simply cannot comprehend so you pathologize us with your projections.
For posterity, i just asked my mom and dad what button theyd press. After they looked at me, like i was a FUCKING RETARD WITH A RETARD QUESTION, they answered red. Glad my family is living and all blue faggots are going to burn in hell for performative suicide.
>>534205594>Jumping into rivers to try to save people is a moral flaw now?See, the thing to do is to wait until they lose consciousness. Then you can pull them out without them dragging you down with them. Metaphorically, the red-pickers might have some time to rescue some blue-pushers while they're being fed into the wood chipper.
>>534206245>The remaining red pushers would revert to eating each other within a decade.Except that my inner circle all pressed red. There's no tomorrow, there's just today. The only short sighted moron is you.
>>534206636Nah, fuck em. Not worth getting my socks wet
>>534205756in an ideal world, yes blue is the correct option.but the truth is that the world we live in is not ideal.to preface, there is no inital danger. nobody is at risk until someone presses the blue button.you are of course going to have people incapable of comprehending the question that'll pick blue without thinking.in an ideal world, you could trust that enough people will pick blue to save those people. even if they are deadweights, there's enough good people that the load can be shared for minimal impact.but again, we do not live in an ideal world.in your starting post, you yourself stated the exact reason to not press blue: the vast majority of browns are self centered with a king of the hill mindset.they will not push blue, they will never push blue.if you push blue, you have to deal with the entirety of >the middle east>china>south america + mexico>africa>india>israeland whatever shitskins they've exported to the first world all pushing red for selfish reasons.the amount of people guaranteed to push red are well over 50%. pushing blue is suicide and continuing to say that you would is willful ignorance to reality.i know its hard for you to accept this truth as a bri'ish retard, likely one that voted for the infinite muslims currently taking over your country, but thats all there is to it.
>>534206245it is only 49% if 49% are unnecessary ignorant risk takers (there is no additional prize for blue pressing)I wish it to be much lower than 49%hopefully nobody>hmmm but idk it's just so blueeeeget rekt scrub
>>534205742>>if all your friends jumped off a bridge, would you?Probably. Most bridge jumping is for stuff like bungee jumping, which is often done with a group.
>>534206240Even if we're going by utilitarian principles, which I don't even believe in, but just for the sake of argument to be as egalitarian as possible, it takes more than 50% of people pushing the buttons to cause death. Worst case scenario is that 51% push and 49% die, and in that worse case scenario, if guilt is distributed equally among survivors, I statistically caused slighly less than 1.0 deaths, while my own life is exactly 1.0. Since 1.0 > 0.999999999, it was a positive tradeoff, and I get to live.It was kill or be killed. I wish it had not come to it, but I'd rather live than die. Red always wins.
>>534204456Seems you misread what I wrote.
>>534206259>>534206214These arguments dont even make sense. In the case that they could save half of humanity, each one of the reds replied that they would vote red to kill them when blue has no downside at all.>>534205027>>534204846Given the option to save them, redfags would still kill them. That makes reds homocidal, not blues suicidal.
>>534206245Better to live a hard life in a dog-eat-dog world than to join a suicide cult.Get a clue, don't press blue.
>>534206713>>534206737>>534206830GO- I MEAN, GUUUUYS, PLEASE JUMP OFF LE HECKIN BRIDGE WITH USSSSYou think im going to interact in gppd faith with literal retards who are literally pro suicide cult? SAAAAR
>>534197393blue it up!
>>534206245yeah think of what will happen the next time everyone is forced to push either buttonsthe red pushers will finally feel sorry that there won't be any blue pushers left to save them
>>534206696Again, you people just assume the third world would be individualistic, capitalist, and entirely self interested rather than communal. The opposite is in fact true, and their societies are much more collectivist and tribal than white societies. The american boomers that kicked their only child out at 18 are what you imagine the third world to be.
>>534197205Why do you keep posting something that's already been posted? You're a worthless nigger
>>534207083the red pushers don't need savingthey don't need helpthey don't need a meaningless deadly alternativethey were already safe by pushing red
>>534207117So i get to kill more third worlders AND white liberals???RED RED RED RED RED
>>534207191You dont get to kill anyone, because blue wins. Sorry your genocide is canceled bro
>>534207122Are you not entertained? Is this not why you are here?
>>534207229Im honestly sorry you believe that
>>534207287FATHER TO A BLUE PRESSING WIFE'S SON, HUSBAND TO A BLUE PRESSING WIFE, AND I WILL HAVE MY RED PRESSING, IN THIS GAY ASS THOUGHT EXPERIMENT OR THE NEXT
>>534206830your hypothetical there is an intentionally malicious reframing of the base hypothetical.the whole point is that you cant see what other people have voted, you have to TRUST that more people have voted blue than red.your reframing is just so that you can say "so why didnt you say blue to the base question?" as a cheap retort, nobody is going to respond to that post seriously.>>534207117their societies are tribal specifically because they constantly tear each other down when they try to build up.white societies have gone so far specifically because we help each other when in need.your mistake is your communist mindset, assuming that capitalism is incompatible with helping others.additionally, their societies are communist specifically because the guy at the top gets to fuck everyone else over for his own personal benefit. and every other nigger in those communities is itching for the chance to take his place.
>>534205815>"the entire world", not just your discord server.Like around 400,000 people voted into the poll. You dont think thats a good sample size to extrapolate? Blue won. You keep saying its hopeless and whatnot, only to keep being proven wrong.
(((534205571)))>mutt's law
>>534207430>niggers are just like meLol, lmao even
>>534207430You guys are just being disingenuous at this point. Yes, Twitter is the planet and a true reflection of the human race, why not?
>>534206696>>534206668>>534206508The environmental impact from mass infrastructural failures due to the lack of maintenance would be devastating. The resulting chaos and misplaced populations would resort to roaming and raiding. All the brown people would push red? There are barely enough whites on the planet to feed them now, how do you intend to do it when the vast majority of whites are gone? How good do you feel about being one of the last white farmers in South Africa?Death is inevitable, you don’t avoid death by pushing red, you just change the game to something that isn’t worth playing. Everything comes with risk, and a society with members that are willing to sacrifice themselves for the good of their society is strong than one that won’t. Ants might be a bunch of cucketts, but there a shit ton more ants than scorpions. That’s called success.
>>534205959I really dont give a fuck what that stranger thinks or choses. I am not hurting him. Period.
>>534206169It is if you ignore the button colors it should be, I put those in by accident. For it to be a serious thought problem, it needs a dilemma. The dilemma there is you can guarantee a set amount of risk (75% chance to not die) if you press the button. If you don't press it you may survive if less than 50% press the button. If greater than 50% press the button, everyone who didn't press it dies and of those who pressed it, 25% will die.
>>534205705>>534205814>>534205851>>534206636>Redfags straight up shaming people who tried to save others by jumping into rivers.You faggots are unironically the scum of the earth.
>>534205425Ah yes, because I gamble with my life every time I put my shopping cart back.High-trust society, suicide cult, tomayto, tomahto.
>>534206830I'm a redfag who would choose blue if there was a tiebreaker, what now? The question is retarded because it's not what the hypothetical was, the hypothetical was presented as if people are making a private choice, understanding that, red is obviously the logical choice. Once you make the hypothetical that you know the vote is 50/50 and you're the tiebreaker it's completely different. You see, I don't actually wish bluefags death, I just think they're stupid. When I initially read this question my first inclination was blue until I realized that everyone chooses red then everyone lives, making red obviously the objectively correct choice unless you think it's somehow logical or morally right to expect other people to save someone who made their own choice to possibly die. Not only is that moronic, it's also malicious. People's choices are their own responsibility. I'll be responsible for my life and my actions, and you yours. Don't expect me to save you from your own stupidity, that is selfish.
>>534207549>400,000 people>discord server.Get real.
>>534207556>Death is inevitable so i will kill myself on the spotYou don't need to wait, i remind you. Most of the Blue is emotional appeal anyway, they are not concerned with life and death and getting out of there alive, they just want to die AS LONG as they feel good and have a nice last memory whiel at it, but man, it is horrifying for them the thought that they may die alone after all, not "for nothing" but alone.
>>534207668Why are you putting your life at risk to save people who couldn't correctly decide if a 100% chance of survival was worth choosing over a 50% chance of survival?
>>534207668>NOOOO YOU HAAAAAAVE TO SAVE USSSSSSSno
Blue button pushers want to gaslight me into playing Russian roulette with them, I refuse to put the revolver to my head and pull the trigger, somehow this makes me a bad person because the blue button pusher wants to play Russian roulette.
>>534207787It's cult thinking, these are your jonestown people. They want you to join their death cult and sneed if you don't.
>>534207668I'm not them, but the blue button is not the equivalent of jumping into a river to save people drowning. When you push the blue button, you are entirely relying on other people for your own survival, a completely dependent and ultraconformist act where you are powerless beyond being just a statistic. Someone who jumps into a river to save someone else is a man of his own destiny, and he can overcome the forces of nature and save his fellow man solely with his own strength and determination.One is a slave, the other is a master.
>>534207417Literally what is malicious about it? All they had to say is that in that specific hypothetical they would vote blue, which would indicate they understand the culpability of their vote. Instead, every one of them without fail came off as homicidal when explaining why they would still vote red. Its not my fault that their nature is the way it is and that embarrasses you.
>>534207709YOU get real. What part of the entire earth doesn't get trough your skull? The bluefag keep calling me selfish but they do get suddenly quiet when i bring up the possibility that there are actual suicidal people who will press blue with the intention of taking their own live, and people imagine that they are "saving them" while they will scorn you if you attempt to do so and even more if their side "wins" and ruin their peaceful sudden death. What if they come after you? What if they don't perceive your "help" as help at all? See, this is what i mean: If you are going to imagine and move goalpost, i can do that as well, it won't change the fact that you simply walk off the experiment pressing Red. You just imagine that someone, out there, need you to press blue for some "mistake" and instantly ignore your immediate reality to play the hero when is all in your head, so imagine something else that allows you to live instead. You won't, of course. Because deep down you don't want to live, and yet fear to die on your own. "People safety" is the least concern in every blue rethoric. Don't believe me? If you were able to explain your loved ones this situation before doing anything, will you tell them to press blue anyway? You calling people cowards is just projection at this point, and it got old pretty fast on the second thread made on this question.
>>534205133>The red button doesn't do anythingIn the original post, it is stated explicitly that the red button kills everyone who didn't press the button. with Blue, however, everyone lives if they win. You can actually strictly think of it this wayOption 1. Red wins and kills everyone who voted for blue2. Blue wins and everyone lives. Now all of a sudden, Blue is much more attractive. But I've viewed this problem under all scenarios, and Blue is an attractive solution almost always.
>>534207556The remaining whites would not be moved by the humanitarian arguments that have destroyed the west. We would be better off than we have been for hundreds of years. Browns are no concern for whites who arent afraid of defending themselves.
>>534207668>a hostile tiger! lets fight it so guarantee our survivalthis is red thinking>a hostile tiger! let me run away from it despite being perfectly capable of fighting it because if enough people also run away from it, it wont try to eat us.this is blue thinking
>>534207556Also, would you rather be an ant or a scorpion?
>>534207564Anon it matters completely becuase your survival by pressing the blue button is entierly dependent upon the turst of another random person trusting you.You scale the model down, its 2 people, you and some other random dude. You are not communicating to one another, you are both given the same choice. Do you trust him, to trust you to press the blue button? If the answer is you dont trust that some random person would trust you, then pressing the blue button is suicide.
>>534208192Literally inverted morality. Do you have trouble with delusions and hallucinations in your personal life?
>>534208075Can you stop with the hysterical leftist wall of texts? Its an eyesore. Learn to get to the point using more concise wording. >What part of the entire earth doesn't get trough your skull?Do you have any idea the huge reach Mr. Beast has? He is one of the most famous persons alive. Everyone has heard of him. I would argue his twitter has reach all around the world. Its a very mixed audience, and 300,000 people is a good sample size to extrapolate to the rest of the world.>If you were able to explain your loved ones this situation before doing anything, will you tell them to press blue anyway?Yup, I would press blue.
>>534208163>it is stated explicitly that the red button kills everyone who didn't press the button.Quote that part.
>>534207668>leave your wife widowed and your children possibly orphaned because you so badly need everyone to know how selfless you arepenny wise pound foolish.
>>534208313And you know for certain he is pressing red? How do you know that? You keep calling it suicide, but how do you he is chosing red? You have no real way of knowing.
>>534208433>Can you stop with the hysterical leftist wall of texts?>Do you have any idea the huge reach Mr. Beast has? He is one of the most famous persons alive. Everyone has heard of him.Do you understand irony?>looks at picOh...you really dont. At least a lot of SAAAARS are going to die.
>>534208433>Do you have any idea the huge reach Mr. Beast has?Alright, enough. This is a waste of time and you're really disingenuous. I really should know better. I accept your concession or whatever. Enjoy your sleep this night having the last word on this pointless argument. You know that this was never about the buttons to begin with anyway.
>>534208192You have severe brain damage.
>>534208585Anon, do you think that Russian roulette is a suicidal game?
>>534208314>>534208627fighting the tiger gives you a (nearly) 100% chance of survival, as you are just getting rid of the source of death (red)running away from the tiger is a gamble on if its fast enough to catch you. (blue)
>>534208585Anon thats the point, im not certain of it and neither are you. Thats the point im trying to make and why pressing blue is suicide at worst, at best a 50/50 gamble on your life. If you press blue, you living is entierly dependent upon the other person, trusting that you pressed blue as well. Meaning that the other person has to believe you pressed blue in order to have him also press blue. Thats the crux of this issue. Do you trust, another random person, that you can not strategize with, to trust that you pressed the blue button. If you have any doubt that the other person might not trust you, it is wiser to press the red button because that means more then likely they too are going to be pressing the red button. And in fact, any amount of doubt that they trust you would only further renforce that they themselves are doing the same thought process and realizing that you would not trust them to press the blue button either. It matters everything.
>>534208650In russian roulette someone always dies. Its not the same analogy. If we both press blue, then we both live and thats the end of that.
>>534207668Look up "professional life guard". See this picture? Professional life guards use this flotation device to save a single drowning person. They are trained to save a single drowning individual with the help of a flotation device. That untrained moron literally committed suicide by trying to save three drowning people with no training and no flotation device. Was he altruistic? Yes. Was he heroic? Debatable. Was he smart? No. Is the world a worse place because of what he did? Yes. The people who depended on him no longer have him. His actions increased the suffering in the world.
>>534208758>In russian roulette someone always dies.No, anon. Each player spins the cylinder before each attempt. What did you think it involved?
>>534206245this is cope. Red pushers get along all the time.
>>534207711>Oh no, I’m so afraid to die! Please anything but that! Please oh please let me survive, no matter the cost or conditions.Lol, coward. You are the perfect example of why the red pushers would eat each other. Anything for just one more breath of precious air, what could possibly have more value than that?Just because the thought of death doesn’t have me pissing my pants like you, doesn’t make me suicidal. Picking blue either results in everyone living, or me potentially dying before the world is exclusively filled of people who are homicidally selfish.Picking red would mean I either live with everything being fine, and having to accept I’m shitter than half the people on the planet. Or living long enough to die horribly in a hell scape of my own design. It isn’t a hard decision and doesn’t require self righteousness or a suicidal mindset. You can get there through simple self preservation and a basic understanding of cause and effect.
>>534208744Okay, I should come clean. This is why I push blue couldnt care less about what other people think. I only care about following my Lord's command and nothing else. Hope this explains my reasoning. Im not a troll, its what my faith asks me to do and every other real christian will also press blue.
>>534208716Fighting the tiger is blue because you need a certain amount of manpower to survive it. Running and leaving others to fight the tiger because you think its going to kill you all is the red button. If enough people run away from the tiger then the remaining ones will die while they live.
>>534208931blue pushers live in delusion
>>534208758If you don't play Russian roulette the odds of dying from Russian roulette are zero, red is refusing to play Russian roulette blue is playing Russian roulette. If I'm given a choice why would I risk my life playing a game I didnt ask to play. Blue has to gaslight people into pressing blue red doesn't have to care what other people do, blue button pushers are the type of people that want control over you, red button people just want to be left alone. The world is better off without the blue buttons.
>>534208970fighting the tiger is red because it is the actual solution to the problem. if you're armed with a spear, all it takes is one good jab to at the very least make it incapable of killing you if not outright killing it.that tiger is hostile and faster than you, if you run away you're only going to die.if anything that fact makes running the explicate blue option, you ultimately put your life in the hands of other people rather than picking the "dont die" option.
>>534208968>Shifts to religion when shit goes belly up.Anon religion has nothing to do with this. Read the bible becuase it does not teach you to be suicidal, it teaches you to never stop believing but it does not teach you to throw yourself on a pyre to profess how loyal you are, in fact it condemns such public displays of grandeur. Again, shifting the entire topic to being about your religion(One i share) Shows that your logical stance here is not wise.
>>534208968>SAAAAAAAAAAAAR save me white people SAAAAAAAAR
>>534208968>I only care about following my Lord's command and nothing else.Prudence is a virtue. Throwing away your life pointlessly is a sin. Have you actually read the Bible? Jesus tells his followers to live with INTELLIGENT virtue.
>>534208436Just read the post in the OP. It's fairly clear that at the end of the day it is never clearly stated that Red 'does nothing'. On the contrary, there is an action and a consequence from Red winning majority. Re-framing it does't matter.
>>534209161Again, you are hopelessly inverted. Picking blue is solving the problem because it only takes 50% for the optimal outcome with no deaths. How the fuck is 50% of people running away from the tiger the blue position if the other 50 still have to fight it?
>>534209173>Christian>RedfagHow do you reconcile John 15:13 if you claim to be a Christian? Jesus dying on the cross is blue-coded af. Pick one and only one.
