it's gonna cover up to 10% of europe's needs by 2050. does that mean that it will find more use in the military as well?
>>534265106for referencehttps://energy.ec.europa.eu/topics/eus-energy-system/hydrogen_en
The power requirements of the future battlefield are wacky and its leading to some wacky technologies being developed in response. DARPA's work on power-beaming is the most developed ('we need more pylons' if you're Korean) but you also have work to harvest power from the waves.But hydrogen is at a disadvantage here as its hard to store and transport with its corrosive nature which makes it unsuitable for battlefield use. You'd be better off using solar and batteries.
>>534265108hydrogen is best suited for large hardware, such as ships or tactical bombers. modern fighters require way more energy per weight ratio so it is likely they'll use e-fuels and synthetic fuels instead. as for tanks, i don't think electric would be a bad idea, especially considering how powerful electric motors are and how automation will probably transform them into glorified drones anyway. the only issue with electric is the range.
>>534265106From the thumbnail, I thought it wa a European plan to colonize the moon, or Mars.
https://www.usgs.gov/news/national-news-release/lithium-eastern-states-could-replace-imports-a-century-or-moreThe US also just found all the lithium they'd need to spam DEWs and EW assets for drone spam.
>>534265106Wasting energy on something that can't be stored and also violently explodes when you do is about as dumb as NFTs. Nuclear power plants will get their go-ahead before safe storage sites for Hydrogen are found.No, scratch that, we got the empty belts inside of Spain and France, but good luck with that, because once we've solved the transport losses, we also got the tech to build the Hyperloop.So that's a good thing, I guess?
>>534265111That's great and all, but it will be a few years before the necessary infrastructure to extract and refine it comes online. You won't be able to tell China to get fucked until then.
>>534265112hydrogen can always be used to make a fuckload of clean electricity in plants, without being hauled inside a tank. which is not what the EU wants, since apparently airbus planned for up to 50k hydrogen fueled planes to replace their civilian transports.
>>534265113This means China also only has a few years left to invade Taiwan. Tick tock changs.
>>534265114If we're seriously going Hydrogen, I want Zeppelins back.
H2 is not an energy source, it's an energy storage medium. Any hydrogen you can shove into a tank came from electrolytic processes which driven by... electricity.
Converting surplus nuclear energy at night, like in pumped-storage hydroelectric power plants, might be a good idea, but has the problem of hydrogen permeating and weakening the storage tank itself been solved?
>>534265114Hydrogen is not an energy source, it has to be produced from something, itself an energy-intensive process.It's a form of energy storage and transportation.Ah, >>534265117 was faster.>>534265112>can't be storedYou can store it in salt domes, like natgas. You might have to replace the existing pipes if they're not leakproof (they probably aren't).It's useful for industrial applications and seasonal energy storage. Trying to use it in cars has failed, but that doesn't mean there aren't other applications.>>534265106The military might use hydrogen derivatives that are easier to handle, perhaps liquid ammonia as shipfuel. Pure hydrogen isn't exactly what you'd want for rugged applications.
>>534265113Chinese food and energy reliance is a more critical issue than American REE reliance.
>>53426510610% of its own needs by 2050, that's a very lofty goal for Europe
>>534265121apparently 20 million tons domestically produced+20 million tons imported. this would work in tandem with nuclear energy, geothermal, eolic and solar.
Hydrogen makes sense if you use something like nukular or surplus solar to generate it. I don't think they have that yet, but I could be wrong.
>>534265118>hydrogen permeating and weakening the storage tank itself been solvedI think you're confusing it with Helium, which is hard as fuck to contain and leaks through solid steel because the atoms are the tiniest
>>534265124nta but you’re describing hydrogen, helium is also annoying to store (have to get it down to 4k?) but hydrogen is insanely flammable and embrittles metals
>>534265124speaking of helium, the USA have practically the monopoly on it and it's essential to keep a low temperature for superconducting magnets, which are critical for stuff like magnetic resonance in medicine and quantum physics experiments inside hadron colliders. helium doesn't remain in the atmosphere, once it's spent it happily flies out of our planet and it's lost forever. america possesses the largest underground deposits of helium worldwide, and extraction from subterranean reservoir is so far the only reliable way to get the gas.
>>534265124Imagine being this stupid.
>>534265106>use oil, coal, and gas which humanity has been extracting for over a century and can be done extremely efficientlyNah>use nuclear that is extremely safe and has been used for over 50 years to provide abundant energyNah>invest tens of billions in technology that doesnt exist yet with unclear scalability to save 0.01% in carbon emissionsFund itI will never; ever understand the Euro obsession with cutting themselves off at the knees to set an example for browns and chinks.
>>534265106What did they mean by this?
>>534265129Throwing in the towel on relevance.
>>534265128A bunch of HR Karens and their boytoys gradually wormed their way to the top of the neoliberal order and implemented a care-based morality system.
>>534265129You don't get it; some Swedish nepocunt keeps crying anytime she sees carbon or uranium fuel sources, so Germs must live at the mercy of the wind and clouds.
>Finally Europe will have a world leading energy industry Oh no no no
>>534265133Of course they'll force themselves to use solar and wind to appease the Swede.
>>534265109>as for tanks, i don't think electric would be a bad ideaRun out of power after 10km and then you need to either bring it to a fucking charging station or outright swap the batteries
>>534265106What the fuck is the point of a hydrogen pipeline network? Hydrogen is leaky and you can perform hydrolysis fucking ANYWHERE.Ship the power and make the hydrogen locally.Unless of course you can ignore most of those circles because the only way they're ever pulling this off is by sourcing the hydrogen from steam reforming of natural gas. Successful transitioning from thermodynamic efficiency.
>>534265133>and includes carbon capturelmao, sure
>>534265846new tech not for normal people
>>534265106Oh boy invisible fire hazards
>>534266106also more likely to outright detonate instead of deflagrate. Storing/transporting large quantities of it over long distances is just a stupid idea.
>>534266309I imagine during wartimes also theyre the first target also
>>534265846Overproduction from PV and Wind has to be dumped into something.>Ship the powerTransmission losses.
>>534265106did this shitty thread come from /g/ or /sci/?
>>534265846>hydrolysisfuck, electrolysis>>534267566>>Ship the power>Transmission losses.This will have transmissions losses too though yeah granted less so. Is it really that much better than high voltage DC? In exchange your energy distribution network is more complicated and likely more vulnerable to sabotage. We'll see I guess, not really convinced.>Overproduction from PV and Wind has to be dumped into something.dump it into the seawater. The electric eels need to be fed and this way yurofags won't have to feel bad about returning their used car batteries for in-store credit instead of doing the responsible thing and dumping them in the ocean.
>>534267664Yeah
