The major points for politics in the west today1. No war but the class war. Pursuant to Lenin's outlined foreign policy. This includes supporting neither Russia nor Ukraine in their war, as both are fighting for capitalism.2. Repeal the Taft-Hartley Act. For states other than America, repeal any law prohibiting closed shops, which are part of the UK and European Union. This is vital for organizing laborQuestions always welcomeDialectic reading group on /lit/>>>/lit/25245880
>>534292498There's more varieties of Marxism than strains of weed in California. Discourse on this type of thing is utterly useless without massively narrowing the scope.
Bolshevism is gay.I prefer Xiism.
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>>534292691All strains of Marxism have Marx in common so no it's really not impossible since 90% of Marxist discourse is about Marx's writing.
>>534292695Xi said the Russian communist party fell because it renounced too much of its Bolshevism
>>534292730Classic Jewish parents. Reminds me of Kafka getting upset because his mom found a letter that a woman wrote him and in his room and read it and sent her a letter saying she's stressing him out and to please stop
>>534292875Very odd thing to say. Maybe he meant Marxism. Do you have a source for that?
>>534292498Go to leftypol?
I can't take people seriously who still cling to the coattails of 19th century philosophers in 2026. Get with the times, old man. The future is reactionary, authoritarian and patriarchal.
>>534292498kill yourself retardddddd you're so fucking stupid and gay
>>534294360I'm at work right now but look up what Xi said about de-Stalinization and how it ultimately fored communists within the party to not only disown Stalin but Lenin, and les to the Sino-Soviet split, and how it is a cautionary tale because the CCP almost disowned Mao and what would happen if they did. Dispite being imprisoned under Mao, Xi was elevated in the CCP as a firm Maoist and Marxist-Leninist in order to wrest back control back control from the liberalizing element which has come to dominate it
>>534294738True, destalinization was wrong and it made way for the collapse of the USSR.Stalin was anti-Bolshevik so anti-Lenin by default.USSR kept Marxism to the end because it's the foundation of communism.
>>534292498Commies and marxist are just adults who never developed past teenage rhetoric
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>>534294946Have you actually read anything by Stalin?
>>534295650Ben Shapiro, Dennis Prager, Donald Trump, move over...there is a new voice on the right
>>534295773
Nobody wants communism You can pontificate until you are blue in the face and nobody cares. This country fucking hates your stupid, gay ideologies
>>534299333Great talking point, MAGAbro, but most working class people would absolutely prefer unions got them more than they do and they don't have an upper limit on that.
>>534300837Fuck the orange nigger. I'm a machinist, I am the working class. You should be pandering to me asshole
>>534300875I am working class too, little tard, and in a union. Repealing the Taft-Hartley Act IS pandering to the working class.
>>534300987Starbucks doesn't count as working class you broke ass bougie
>>534300987And restoring rights to unions is automatically communist??? Man, fuck you guys. Everything that helps the working class isn't automatically communist and everything that hurts the working class isn't automatically capitalist. Absolutely and categorically go fuck your own face
>>534301115I don't work at Starbucks, they haven't even finalized their contract with a union>>534301189Repealing the Taft-Hartley act should be our primary goal. One shit at shit at a time. Call me back when capitalists care about that
>>534292498Failed jewish ideology peddled by faggots and parasites today
>>534301685Call me back when a communist moment doesn't kill 40 million people
>>534301720*Movement
>>534292498Kill yourself commie faggot
>>534292498God is a bullet
>>534300837>>534300987All unions members should be lined up and shot, parasites
>>534301720Ya bro we NEED those capitalists to rule over us labor. If they don't keep their foot on our neck then we will just spazz put and kill
>>534301685Shut the fuck up and put the fries in the bag so the real workers can have their lunch faggot.
i used to instrinctively reject marxism but now i duno anymore. anything thatll help take down Thiel and palantir i could get behind
>>534302500Sure thing Mr not paid by soros
>>534302615>sorosnot a fan of him either to be desu
>>534302500>>534302685>meme flag>advocates communismLiterally kys
>>534292498Die
>>534296625Move over castro, maoi and stalin theres a new supreme equal leader to starve you to death and kill you in purges LOL
>>534302386Explain to me what this magical quality is that communism possesses that unequivocally prohibits it from becoming corrupt at a bureaucratic level? Communism is total state rule over my life and I don't trust the state as it is now with the small amount of privileges they are allotted, why would I expect better results when literally every single string of power is handed to them? Is it because now you guys are in power and I'm just suppose to take it at face value that you really, really have my best interest at heart? Fuck. Off. Go kick rocks. Also, explain to me>common ownership of the means of productionDo I get federally backed 10 yr bonds distributed to me for free once a year? Am I automatically issued stock in a newly formed national dividend index that pays out yearly? What is the mechanism that insures I benefit from the countries success? Because every time I look at how communism is structured, I just see thousands of new bosses that I now have to answer too with zero improvements for my quality of life
>>534292498Kill yourself.
>>534303394Why are we even arguing this? All that matters is what is possible now which is more union control. Agreed?
>>534304471I'm sorry, I thought this was Marxism general. I'm being general
>>534304543Marxism is barely a system for government though, it is a critique of the capitalist class. Marxists are generally communists of course
>>534304861
>>534292498>>534292691>>534292847>All strains of Marxism have Marx in commonLOL LMAO EVEN>[Marxism follows] the British tradition in which the poor envy the rich, stating: "The socialism of a Fichte would accuse [those who don't work] of sloth, it would brand them as irresponsible, dispensable shirkers and parasites. But Marxian instinct envies them. They are too well-off, and therefore they should be revolted against. Marx has inoculated his proletariat with a contempt for work."Marxism is just crime with extra steps: you harass people shouting buzz-words (handed to you by your sociology professor) at people, gambling that they will drop some loot. Gacha where the lolis look like pic rel.
>>534305545shit wrong picture
>>534305545What is the Dunes Club?
>>534304861Marxism is basically girlboss logic>why cant everyone just get along. Et in arcadia ego my nigger
>>534305102Okay, let's talk Marxism: what is your opinion on Marx's theory of labor alienation?
>>534305963I have zero interest in discussing Marxism. You may attempt to answer my inquiries >>534303394 but outside of that, go fuck yourself
>>534305963I fucking hate you fucking redditors. You come on here and shit up our boards with your pseudo-intellectual bullshit talking points, thinking that we are totally unequipped to oppose your nonsense. You think you are smarter than us. You think you are smarter than us and you come on here and getting fucking cognitively wrecked every single fucking time. It's hilarious. Nobody wants to buy what you are selling and your manufactured moral distain for anything that isn't explicitly soft and cuddly and "waah! people won't give me what I want for free" is appalling
> MarxismFailures choose fail systems.
>>534292498Is it homo power hour already?
>>534306139There is corruption in every organization, always. Even in unions. Does this mean we should prefer the corruption of a state that represents corporations, or one that represents labor?
>>534307625Homosexuality was always spread and promoted by capitalist states, never once by a communist state
>>534308237Why are you lying on the tism forums
>>534308552Weimar Germany also had notable connections to Nazism, the Friekorps and the Konservativ Revolution. What the fuck are you even blathering about?
I always appreciate an attempt to re-establish a presence here but since leftypol was founded this place has only degenerated further. People here are violently attached to bigotry-based group identities and are typically too emotionally immature to admit being wrong, so you will never convince them to give up their reactionary mindset because it requires a degree of humility and honesty they refuse to accept.
>>534307738>>534306835
>>534309110I understand that but it's not pertinent
>>534309520>>534306835
>>534305963Marx was an unemployed mooch, so I see why he appeals to faggots like you
>>534292498>keep calm
>>534309859Hello again. I'm here to remind you that welcoming hordes of brown people killed the rebirth of your failed system.And it's funny, because you might have had a chance without the layers of racial division.>The capitalists did itAnd much like the capitalists, you still want to keep them around.I don't think you want communism, you want revenge.
>>534310710You are intellectually unequipped to deal with me. Reminder >>534306835
>>534310020If Marx charges for all his work, you would say he was a hypocrite
>>534310710Do you want to fix the issue with union contracts being unable to exclude scabs? Yes, or no?
>>534310853I'd still call him retarded like I do now
ITT: seething ZOGbotsGlory to Marx and death to the great golem capitalism
>>534310851I replied to the wrong faggot>>534310889I don't give a fuck about that if i have to live around niggers and other foreign trash.Now explain to us why you want to keep the brown people. Are you jewish?
>>534311211Checked. My bad, I'm worked up
>>534311211I will support either deportations or no deportations if the political figure is trying to repeal the Taft-Hartley Act. Mass immigration to me is a symptom of scab labor being institutionalized and supporting anyone who claims to want deportations while also wanting scab labor, makes you a useful idiot.
>>534300875>I'm a machinist, I am the working classThere is no working class in the US, you're part of the labor aristocracy (technically a subset of the petite-bourgeoisie) because you are compensated far above your socially necessary labor value (see: having a personal computer and leisure time to post here) via the superexploitation of workers in peripheral nations. Whence your class interest in preserving capitalism, you correctly recognize that your quality of life would be massively degraded under communismYou are not the revolutionary subject and will be at their mercy, better hope you can come up with something more convincing than your performance ITT
>>534311662As i told you last night, it was your side that welcomed them. I don't like the blue golem either. But they were against immigration. You on the other hand supported it. Why? Revenge for colonialism was your excuse during the 10's. You're anti-white, and not antisemitic. You're practically a jew.
>>534311828Mao said China should be in solidarity with the white working class of America>>534311907My side is the working class, nothing more, nothing less
>>534311828If communist ever try to raise up in this country, I'm going to shoot you all in the face. How is that for performance? New tag because I'm on the move but it's me responding to you
>>534311996No it is not. Not when you protect the scab labour and call for open borders. You work to undermine the working class. You're jewish. I'm doing this for fun because real communists shot themselves in the foot. I don't need to argue.
>>534312004But the Epstein class is okay?
>>534292498Marx was ILLITERATE. Nothing he wrote is coherent. If you "understand" his writings you are proving to the world that words mean nothing to you. He died hungry and unloved by his children, who he didn't deserve in the first place. All Marxists should die in gruesome ways. There is my contribution.
>>534312185You're conflating me with "the new left"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Left
>>534312313Just another branch from the same jewish tree.You know that i see straight through you. That's why you are being short.
>>534312188That's a false choice dichotomy. Fuck you for trying to put word into my mouth. Are you gonna grab a gun and start killing Epstein associates? Fucking hypocrite. Don't you see how sneaky you little rats are? You can't win an argument straight up so you start churning out ad hominem and bad faith paragons in your panic. It's fucking pathetic
>>534312603No, as you can see from the article, the new left was a movement promoted by thr CIA as a counter-leftism to communism, and instead of the working class it concentrated on identity politics>>534312737I'm just asking why you are ready to kill communists but not them
>>534313171I'm a socialist, just not your kind. I know you well. You will face the wall.
>>534313171You're such an obtuse little fuck. Can't argue in good faith so you invent shit to criticize me on. I can so the same thing. We aren't you killing Epstein associates? Pussy?
>>534313676
>>534313468I'm not threatening to kill people, you are
>>534313360I know well. You are short, you are physically weak, you have a small penis, and you use a memeflag
>>534313838So during a communists revolution the Epstein's of this world and their buddies don't have to worry, they'll be fine, they get a pass. Okay, got it
>>534314041Who dm do you think the revolution is against?
>>534303394>I have never read the communist manifesto
>>534314181Me
>>534314205Then go on, explain it. Answer my inquiries
>>534314254Are you the Epstein class?
>>534314292>admits that he never read itWhy not try reading it? You'll gain more knowledge about the subject and your questions will be answered.
>>534314480That is not an answer to the questions I asked. You do not have an answer because you cannot think critically. No, I've never read the manifesto and I'm still cleaning house ITT>>534314395You can whisper as much sweet nothings into my ear as you like. You want to take away my hard earned compensation for hard, difficult work that I do every day and give it to lazy, worthless "intellectuals" like yourselves and lazy benefit having sons of bitches. You are opportunist, I see what you really are. Lying scam artist
>>534314892You should read books. It's not as evil as it sounds
>>534315809>Wait till you think I've left and then reply with some bullshit, goal pushing quibThis is your strategy huh? This feels like the game plan of someone that has thoroughly and utterly lost a debate. But then again, this is your motus operandi. You have no real arguments that anybody with half a brain would even begin to consider for 2 seconds so it's on to the underhanded stuff. You and the Epstein class have a lot more in common than you think
>>534314892>you cannot think critically>No, I've never read the manifestoIf you are not prepared to read the communist manifesto, then how will your questions be answered? Perhaps you don't want to be proven wrong? If you want to think critically, then how are you able to do that without educating yourself on the subject?
>>534316339It's sound advice and would enhance your critical thinking skills
>>534316477They are afraid of the book itself is marxphobia and is common af, is like asking people to learn chinese or understand brain science they just freeze
>>534316477>>534316571>>534316585The only thing you guys have as a playable strategy is to try and wear your opponent out with bad faith what-if-isms, political gotchas, goalpost moving, false equivalencies and pandering smugness. Aesthetics, that's all this is, it's all you care about
>>534311828>having a personal computer and leisure time to post hereReally? Having some commodity and free time is considered "above socially necessary labor value"? Why?
>>534317202Because they want us in a cage so they can wear the letterman jackets and be the "cool" kids. These are children that have never grown up and they hate and blame anybody that didn't suffer like they did. Also Ps. they never actually suffered a day in their lives
>>534317492No, because the guy who said that was a glowstick
>>534317660Very good retort asshole. Really convinced me. Please, let's bump this thread back to the top of the catalog again. Let's do it together, I'd love for everyone to see what a stupid twat you are
>>534317094What? All you have to do is read the fucking book! Why don't you want to gain more knowledge? I've read it, and it's not even that long! Das Kaptial on the other hand...now that's a big book...
>>534317783You are not being as clever as you believe you are being
>>534292498https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgaWYp5WdX4Seethe
>>534317825*facepalm*
>>534317950There are two kinds of men in this world: the youtube/tiktok watcher, and the book reader
>>534317967Homie. I am running this thread. In a Marxist general, you are not even talking about Marxism anymore. You are being forced to comply to my narrative and defend your modus operandi. I have you by your stupid nose ring and am leading you around in circles. You see that right?
>>534317967And it so easy I'm also making homemade tortillas at the same time for steak tacos. I'll post pics when I'm done
>>534318015I do read books. I've read enough of them to know that some of them are full of nonsense. All of Marx's writing falls in this category. What is it with communists and "muh big book"? Acting like it's impossible to write big books with fancy polysyllabic terminology that are total nonsense.
>>534318311They outsource their thinking to the emotional platitudes of communism
>>534318311Do you believe that his theory of labor alienation is nonsense?
>>534318562I get to make stuff at work on the CNC machines for my personal life for free. Mechanics get to work on their cars at work. Construction workers get free materials from work (yes they do, I've seen it) and free labor from their work buddies (yes they do, I've seen it) when they built their own house. How is that disconnection from the products they produce. Go kick rocks idiot
>>534318856I am not asking about alienation from labor that is yours and not your employer's. I am referring to labor that is your employer's
>>534292498(((Capitalism))) is a marxist strawman, and given the forum, it's hard to tell if OP is just trolling replies or not.
>>534318562Yes. Paid labor has always existed and his historical distinctions (primitive communism, feudalism, capitalism) are tenuous to the point of being invalid (like most categories made by philosophers and especially by sociologists). Capital has existed since antiquity and so did division of labor and automation. Workers have always been alienated by their labor to some degree simply because some tasks are impossible to be done by one person. Therefore, a middle man is needed to assign tasks and coordinate the workforce and assemble the final product. It's true for a modern vehicle and it was also true for an ancient trieme. The oars, sails and hull were made by different people. Another thing he got wrong is his labor theory of value. Labor has no value. Value is in the mind of the consumer. If I dig a hole for 6 hours and spend another 2 hours filling it back in, do I deserve an 8 hour wage? If I find a diamond on the floor is it worth nothing because I didn't work for it? Is a blackberry and an iphone worth the same because their labor value is the same?These are just some of the flaws in Marxism. All of his subsequent thought is built on these false premises and therefore refer to an imaginary world. The rest of das Kapital is him exploring the depths of his colon.
>>534319206>capital doesn't existAnd you ask if I'm the one trolling?
>>534319284Coordination of labor has zero to do with labor alienation
>>534318856Mutuals and cooperatives exist, and by mentioning them, "marxists" will swoop in and retort they are small and expensive because of "muh capitalism," rather than the actual incentives.They are non-falsifiable "scientific" idiots.
>>534319042>Karl Marx’s theory of alienation of labor (or estranged labor) describes how, under capitalism, workers lose control over their lives and selves by becoming disconnected from the products they create, the process of production, their own human potential, and other people. Labor becomes a forced, meaningless activity designed merely for survival rather than creative self-expression.Make custom CNC stuff, tricking out your personal vehicle and build your own home on the companies dime all sound like rewarding and expressive activities to me. The reason non of your bosses have ever let you enrich your personal life for free via the utilization of their workspaces and equipment is because they hate you
>>534319380Stop pretending not to know things.
>>534319474My bosses love me. I don't love them. Thanks for outing yourself as a cocksucking good goy
>>534319380This is why "Rothbardians" argue for complete "free money" issued by competing banks. It's just the Materialist argument, but in the anti Marxist direction.
>>534319434It's the same thing actually. Capitalists don't alienate you from your labor out of sadism. They do it because it's more efficient to give you a hyperspecific task in the factory than to send you gathering all the raw materials yourself, minecraft style and then build the whole thing yourself.
>>534319658You are on the back foot here, calling me a goodest goy is not going to magically make everybody clap. Just because I defend a Republic that practices capitalism instead of a socialist hellscape, does not mean that I support zog or fucking jews
>>534319892You will side with capital against labor and feel validated by pleasing capital. That's abundantly clear, "Oh thank you, Sir, for letting my use the tools I work all day to make you profits, you are so generous and munificent, I am but your humble servant."
>>534320032I will refer to one of my earlier comments >>534312737
>>534319892Capital and Labor are defacto syncretic. Any attempt to fall in the modified Hegelian nonsense is just bait and switch trickery.There will always be hierarchies.Marx was a proto boomer.
>>534317094Sure call it that if you like I like bibliophobia, big grown person scared of reading a manifesto
>>534320121Push does sometimes come to shove as in strikes, and it is clear where your loyalties lie here.
>>534320191>accept the rule of the epstein class because something something hierarchies and nature and so on
>>534320231Fuck Christianity and all abrahamic religious. If Christ came back today, he'd whip the ever living shit out almost every last one of these "holy men". And again, you are simply making up arguments that I never employed and then arguing against that. I believe the kids call it straw maning. Faggot
>>534320245It is clear. They lie with me, myself. Who the fuck else is gonna look after me. See, thats how I know you are a little, baby child. You should really watch neon genesis evangelion sometime
>>534320292rent free, third worlidist retarderyfuck you too.NO.
>>534320481You yourself are an emergent property of your class. Without language and class labor, you would have the the self-consciousness of a chimp
>>534320580Fuck off. I'm not orange fanta
>>534320617The capitalist class works together as a class and has a common class identity. The working class is kept atomized as means of their subjugation. This is why poor neighborhoods have an egoist individualist mindset, whereas wealthy ones have a community mindset
>>534320729>whereas wealthy ones have a community mindsetHave you ever lived in a very rich place before? I lived in sedona Az for about 4 years and no where is there less "community" or "communalism". They fucking hate each other and nothing, no favor, no help is given without repayment expected in some way
>>534320894I have been to city council meetings and planning groups and the only participants were from the upper class
>>534320729It's literally (((Capitalists))) paying an entire subsidized lower working classes in places like Spain.This 1850s retcon is fantasy.Mind you, I don't completely blame the migrants for taking the gibs.You are talking about fantasy
>>534320729The friendliest neighborhoods with the strongest sense of community I've ever lived in were poor as dirt. You are so fucking disconnected from real life it would be funny except you are probably a college student that will get to make big boy choices someday and that makes it terrifying
>>534320948Ya well, I've dated their daughters and they don't have a community. Maybe the true Machiavellian types do but I've never met them
>>534318141lol, you are one arrogant retard
>>534320729You dumb urbanist nigger, the opposite is true.
>>534320955So you know what a reserve army of labor is?>>534320995This is absolutely ridiculous. Where do you think antisocial behavior occurs more, poor neighborhoods, or wealthy ones?>>534321059Their community is purely in the interest of business but they absolutely have solidarity with each other more than labor does. If you doubt it, ask your bosses if they would support repealing the Taft-Hartley Act out of their love for you
>>534321237Most of the population is urban, certainly most of the ruling class
>>534321248Marxists DO NOT want to securitize and auction shares of any "concern," it's almost that simple.Almost everything else is just fluff.That's what Marx was really kvetching about, with Engel's support.
>>534292498>mfw "1. No war but the class war."whatabout race, gender, sexuality, hair color, foot size, religion, and...um..... eye-colorwhatabout INTERSECTIONALITY ?
>>534292691>>534292847>B-b-b-b-b-but my implementation of marxist theory is better because if we seize the means of production this way...I find it hilarious how pseudo-intellectuals who are obsessed with theory don't understand that theories have to be proven in order for them to be true.
>>534321227Very compelling argument you have there>>534321248Anti-social behavior? Definably rich neighbors. Straight up crime? Poor neighbors. Idk what to tell you, rich people hate each other. I'm not saying they don't commiserate to stay rich just that they don't have like a tight little family were everybody just gives and gives if you are also rich
>>534321248>Where do you think antisocial behavior occurs more, poor neighborhoods, or wealthy ones?Where do you think more antisocial behaviour occurs, in Seattle Capitol Hill which is affluent or in a secluded rural town in town in Pensylvannia?
>>534321469New Left, not Marxism>>534321474Marx's thesis that the capitalist class will become more and more redundant is proven true by finance and zero-sum trading taking up more and more of their wealth generation, and professional investment failing to perform better than a standard index. Marx's thesis that labor will get a smaller and smaller portion of the wealth they create (even when their wages rise) is proven by wage stagnation during rising gdp and ceo salaries
>>534321569That's complete bullshit. Rich people maintain their class by extensive networking
>>534321663>Marx's thesis that the capitalist class will-Enough about marx. Where's your thesis? Do you work? If so, then what do you do for work? Do you even know what a paystub is or what goes on a paystub?
>>534321705Yes, hints we I agreed and said they do commiserate. Do you understand what that word means?
>>534321590I think even in a high population density area, highly urbanized, the wealthy will have less antisocial behavior than the poor in a low population density, rural area
>>534321248The steelman of Marx's argument is he was kvetching against the relatively "new" market places like picrel.
>>534321743Of course, I get weekly paystubs and showing these was required for the studio I rent
>>534321841>Marx wrote in the 1600's
>>534321663why do they call themselves marxists? they call themselves "INTERSECTIONAL MARXISTS".they're like hyper-liberals...... are they even left wing anymore?
>>534321886You just pretend not to know things, or you are trolling replies.The first stock exchange, properly known, was in Amsterdam.
>>534321982They're new left. Marxists focus purely on class>>534321997So? Marx held capitalism to be an important stage of development without which communism would not be possible. He also held that the capitalist class outlasted their purpose as distributors of surplus value
>>534322112Marx was wrong, because he WAS a liberal. That's literally the game, and you gave it up."muh class" is as unrealistic as "muh individual rights" without considering the complexity of "everything else," like families, tribes, genetics, IQ, etc.
>>534322284>uh you HAVE to accept the rule of the Epstein class because of families, tribes, genetics, IQ, etcReaching levela of Awoo never thought possible
>>534322112but they're intersectional marxists, dummy. they're well versed in Crenshaw , Laclau and marx. woman can have great big throbbing penises.
>>534322380Yeah, fuck you too, it's not for you anyway.
>>534321851>Of course, I get weekly paystubs and showing these was required for the studio I rentIf that was true, then you wouldn't be on here. Studios aren't cheap, and someone who's as stupid as you are wouldn't be competent enough to hold any kind of job. Marx's theories were completely wrong. He understood nothing about average life as a normal working man. He--like you--grew up with a silver spoon in his mouth and decided that he'd spend all his time writing bullshit books about the plight of the proletariat because he couldn't fathom that wealth has other origins than his parent's fortunes. When you grow up having everything handed to you on a golden platter, you won't question where it comes from until you see the conditions that helped to create it. You'll recoil in despair and rebel against the very order of nature because you can't reconcile with the truth that everything living on this earth has to survive through its own means. That trust fund tent you're living under isn't the real world. Not everybody can have what you have. I don't want what you have. I am someone else with my own wants and needs. I'm not naive enough to think that live would be better if my wants and needs were provided by anyone other than myself. You're living off of the fruits of someone else's labor while claiming that those who agree to trade their labor for money are the ones being exploited. Every system that was ever ruled by people who shared your mode of thinking became exploitative by default because they were used to the luxuries provided to them for free at the expense of other people. TL;DR: You think the economy should be modeled based on how your parents treat you without even knowing. But the paradox here is that it made you entitled enough to the point where you can't fathom seeing someone else with a shinier silver spoon than you. There's no saving you.
>>534292498If Obama is a marxist what should we make of his obsession with mansions?
>>534322479The fact that there are more Marxists than Rothbardians is interesting, that Marx is subsidized, and Mises (similar) types have a strip mall in Northern Alabama.
>>534322396Marx's entire thesis is that all forms of oppresion and exploitation are relationship to the means of production.>>534322479>If that was true, then you wouldn't be on hereBegging the question
Friendly reminder that communists aren't people.
>>534322641Rothbardian capitalism can't work unless unions are banned from asking for closed shop and other things in their contracts. If Rothbardians were sincere they would have strongly supported repealing the Taft-Hartley, but they don't, because they love regulation when it comes to labor
>>534322714Orange Paw of Awooval!
>>534322749The fact is they share the same roots is what I am trying to say.You either1) ban the issuance of shares2) go in the other direction, "free banking."
>>534322641Follow the money, anon. Follow the money. >>534322663>Marx's entire thesis is that all forms of oppresion and exploitation are relationship to the means of production.The means of production are defined in reality by my need to fabricate tools, acquire resources, and sustain myself at my own expense. If i forge for berries because i'm hungry, i do it because i chose to do so. Is nature oppressive in that context? Why assume that something or someone else should be responsible for my survival?
>>534322851what did they do in star trek?. we should do that
>>534322919It is an interesting state right now, but I just don't think "maximum freedom" will solve all our problems.
>>534322919Nature is not alienating you from your labor
>>534323077This isn't about "alienation of labor". Labor itself is not accurately quantifiable. If I am paid a wage, i am given an estimate of what i am owed for my labor and i can agree to it or not. So if I of my own volition choose to work for someone else in exchange for my labor, how is that exploitation? I'm agreeing to be paid a wage so i can invest it into other means in order for me to stabilize my living standard. Now, if you rob me of my promised wages and my ability to invest it into other modes of wealth via theft, law or taxation, then that is true exploitation. If i choose to own a business with or without the hired help of other people to earn profit, that is my right to do so as long as everyone involved agrees to hold up their end of the contract. Do you see that now?
>>534321248>This is absolutely ridiculous. Where do you think antisocial behavior occurs more, poor neighborhoods, or wealthy ones?The dark ones
>>534323461Labor is the source of value. Anything without social average labor required to produce or obtain, has no market value>>534323911Dodging the question since there are also poor white trash neighborhoods
>>534323998For a claimed believer in scientific materialism, you certainly lack a sense of proportion.>inb4niggerdom is when (((capitalist oppression))) or even (((white oppression))).
>>534323998>Labor is the source of value.Wrong. Labor by itself has no value. I could juggle 15 oranges while riding a unicycle around the block 15 times and nobody will pay me for it. Value of labor or commodity is entirely subjective to demand and production is quantified primarily by materials cost. Compensation of labor in production is issued by estimate. If it costs you X amount of dollars to feed yourself, i can pay you exactly that amount. Scarcity of skillset increases this estimate. Congratulations, you've learned something!
>>534324225Poor neighborhoods that are all white have more anti social bevavior than brown rich neighborhoods
>>534323998>Dodging the question since there are also poor white trash neighborhoodsAnd? The question was "where does it occur more"
>>534324284Wrong, commodities are appraised by the market based on the socially average labor required to obtain or produce them. You obviously are unsure of what value even is
>>534324356It occurs more in poor neighborhoods regardless of race
CringeCan’t you make a leftist movement without sucking kike bolsheivikk cockThere’s enough kike cocksucking being done on the right as well
>>534324373>socially average labor requiredWho determines what is "socially average labor required to obtain or produce a commodity"? Sounds like you're describing consumer demand without actually thinking about what it truly means.
>>534292498>1. No war but the class war. Pursuant to Lenin's outlined foreign policy.Commie Anon, your basic theory is badly lacking.Engels wrote the Principles of Communism in 1847:> We know that heed must be paid to the institutions, customs and traditions of the various countries, and we do not deny that there are countries, such as America and England, and if I was familiar with your institutions, I would perhaps also add Holland, where the workers may attain their goal by peaceful means.You should be doing this in places like China, Russia, Iran and North Korea where it's clear that their workers will not attain their goal by peaceful means, due to their oppressive institutions
>>534324472How are prices set?Obviously it depends on the market, if there is one.But there is such a thing as "marxist economics" that is taught in many colleges/unis etc.IE a lot word inflation to describe otherwise simpler actions.
>>534324629Exactly. This kid is a fucking retard.
>>534324602If the Taft-Hartley Act can be repealed and kept uncurtailed by peaceful means, that is fine too since it would inevitably lead to communism
