Time to put the debate to rest once and for all
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>>534299582perfect goyslave || anti-semitic deviant
Truth
>>534299582That is the most braindead interpretation I've yet seen of this moral dilemma. Excellent work.
>>534299718somehow they managed to lower the bar on this low IQ shit. im amazed
>>534299582>haha red pushers are all retardsThen that means they outnumber blue pushers and pushing blue is suicide.
>>534299718>>534299782>>534299846red pressers on suicide watch with 0 arguments in their favorHow the tide turns!
>>534299582I just donated blood last week and I’m a red button presser. It’s the same reason I’m not an organ donor. I donate blood because I want to. Not because I feel moral obligation to. I also don’t needlessly mark myself as a cadaver to chop up at a moment’s notice for a blue button presser who just expects someone to give up their organs because it’s “the right thing to do”
>>534299582TRVKE
>>534299582>Blue's only argument, feel bad about other people's conscionable decision. I'll push red.
>>534299718Implying it had any value to begin with
>>534299864There's not a single argument for blue, other than "I'm suicidally empathetic" which as we all know is the same trait that leads to mothers hurting their own children so they have someone to care for
>>534299582accurate
>>534299882Don't worry, when you need a new heart, a blue presser donor will have your back. Just want you to be okay, manGod forbid the government will sneak into your mom's basement at night to harvest your organs
>>534299582I wish pressing majority blue killed all these obnoxious smug red pressers but then it would just turn the hypothetical into a "this side or this side all die."
>>534300023You want people to risk their lives so you can feel good about saving themyou're objectively a terrible person
>>534299864i'd press the red button because its not the retarded thing to do. tongue my anus
>>534299582Only niggas with communications degrees answer this question.
>>534299582New button, everyone dies.
op is retarded
>>534299582> be me> red button chad> collect shopping carts> work under the table AND collect welfare> my hobby is throwing car batteries in the fjord> I donate semen, to continue glorious red line> I blackmail lost wallet losers, want you insurance card back that will be 50 dollah> I climb during the crush I started by screaming in worst korea> stay off my road nigger> my wife does the shopping, lines are for women, gays and the british> I set the dates for others> I buy in bulk from Ali Baba> my music is superior> lurk moar newfag> my desktop has zero folders> jannies are paid what they deserve
There's literally no argument for blue other than virtue signalling.
>>534299582When will you blue pressing retards realise that world doesn't run on charity or compassion or whatever fairy tale you believe
>>534300358I kneel
>>534300358>jannies are paid what they deserveNo, at nothing they're overpaid.
>another eglin button thread
>>534299582first one is wrong so I didn't read the rest. Die blue nigger. (by your own hands)
>>534300208actually i would also be the first to run in a stampede. missed that one. should have highlighted both sides for that.
>>534299582There’s no debate>redSafety>blueGamble
>>534300032That's the point, it got people incapable of maintaining a civilization to out themselves with prideIn their base lack of comprehension they chalk it down to IQ, when it's entirely irrelevant, because trust is based on mutual expectations and in-group preference, not game theory. Expecting everyone to prioritize themselves or others becomes projection on the part of the person making the choice.>>534300106>you want people to risk their livesI don't want anything, i know for a fact some will press blue to avoid killing other blues, which means i can't morally allow them to die either, and i press blue. I'd be happy if everyone pressed red, but guess what:>all press red: no one dies>all press blue: no one diesin reality, some will always press blue expecting others to press blue, and i'm not going to let those people die out. There is no moral stance where you press red and pressing red means:>you either assume everyone will press red, which is retarded>you're fine with people unwilling to take the chance of others dying on their behalf die, which is being a murdererAny reasonable, logical person will press blue in all circumstances, besides when dominated by cowardice and selfishness>>534300208you're that meme of the woman choosing an anecdote to disprove a generalizationIn the OP image, the elements follow the same logic as the red-blue question, doesn't mean you necessarily do those things. People aren't coherent after all>>534300536It literally does, Civilization is built and can only operate if prosocial behaviors surpass selfish behaviors. It's why Plato wrote about why democracy cannot work. He said eventually people realize that voting for more gibs is the most rational choice. He didn't know what sociology experiment showed though, that people are not rational and tend to exceed on the prosocial side of behaviors in a group, unless atomized. It's also why having a homogenous race so important: it drives prosocial behaviors.
>>534299582gawd what a faggot you are if this were test to happen irl the world would be such a better place when everyone that pushed blue ceased to exist
>>534299582>blue is return cartReturning cart is supposed to be at no cost to you, not to put you at risk of getting fucking killed
>>534300981>in reality, some will always press blue expecting others to press blue,I told them openly that I am going to press red and pressing blue is putting themselves at unecessary risk.They should consider their deaths the misfortune of their own irrationality
>>534299582All this test tells me is that all it takes to get conservatives to vote for you is to scare them a little.
>>534299582Pressing red and hoping you die OP. I'll make sure to shit on the grave on every bluenigger I find.
>>534301067it costs time and effort. If you return the cart not realizing that your energies can be better spent elsewhere, you're just not very smart.More likely you're a coward, because you act prosocially due to conditioning instead of genuine kindness towards others. People like you would be angry and unhappy in life without knowing why, since every time you do a prosocial behavior, you don't take any joy from it, you just do it to avoid being judged/blamed/shamed.The people that cause you return your cart through peer pressure are then the blue pressers, who take joy and pleasure in it, and are the people who would judge you if you didn't. They're the ones maintaining society, while people like you are a liability without even realizing it. But that's not judgement. People like this are normal too.
>>534300981>That's the point, it got people incapable of maintaining a civilization to out themselves with prideThe overwhelming majority of the world cannot maintain a civilization, and if they do, it is one of extreme self-interest that would make sociopathic western CEOs tell them to tone it downAnd yet you trust your life to a vote for half of EVERYONE IN THE WORLD to vote blue?A vote on an english-language poll on a mostly english-language website barely had a blue victory. There is no fucking way a worldwide vote would win with blue.What would you do in this situation then?>Pick red and nothing happens>Pick blue unless more than 50% of people pick blue, then everyone who picks blue will be forced to give up all of their wealth and assets, relocated to another country where they don't speak the language, and then be forced into 5 million dollars of debt.
>>534301335>if you are unwilling to get yourself killed you are unwilling to put any time and effort into anything reeeeeeeeI am voting red and then proceed to hunt you down and kill you to avenge everyone who happened to be fooled by you into believing you ever were going to vote blue
>>534299582Call me what you want, i'm still pushing redI'm not responsible for the choices of others
>>534301228Damn, this is the best argument yetIs it really fundamentally about cowardice?Blue being the majority is perhaps why the nuclear war didn't happen>that story about the russki who went against orders and explained it as a blue presser gamble
>>534300981it's a bad generalization, as it won't apply to most people.
>>534299582PUSH THE BLUE BUTTON AND EVERYONE WHO PUSHED THE RED BUTTON DIESPUSH THE RED BUTTON AND EVERYONE WHO PUSHED THE BLUE BUTTON DIESWHICH BUTTON DO YOU PUSH?
If the blue button wins, there is a second vote, but only for blue button pressers. >if 50% press the blue button, everyone lives and the game is over>if 50% press the red button, half of the people that pressed red in the previous game will die
>>534301454Truth will make you angry, but then will set you freeIt's about coherence. If you trust the majority in society to NOT return carts, then why are you returning yours? It's irrationalIf you trust the majority in society to return carts, then how can you not trust them to press blue? You really think people who actively enjoy returning carts when no one sees them do it would say"oh, i'm in danger, i bet everyone will vote to save themselves"?No, these people can't even imagine anyone would press red, because pressing blue makes them feel good about themselves, while pressing red would make them feel awful.Pressing red and going "blues are stupid" is the inability to understand that a lot of people out there actively live every day feeling good by trusting the group as a whole and expecting their peers to help each other.For example i know a couple of abusive asian parents, and their kids live miserably, but no matter what these people will never abandon each other, because rejecting prosocial mutual support is something they cannot contemplate.Imagine a parent in a room, even a bad parent, with the button choice, knowing that if his children press blue and he presses red, it would cause them to die. Every loving parent, every elder and so forth from this culture would press blue without much debate. Even if their kids are dumb, they would want them to live, and the idea that "most people are selfish" is simply incoherent with their lived experience.
>>534299582>Shitpost, insult janniesThis alone is enough to convince me to be a red button pusher.
>>534299582>blue good>red badYou're brown
>>534299582Blue buttoners are people that wanted to be save from the choices they voted for.It's like women that vote left then they are surprised why there are so many niggers around and why going outside at night is dangerous.
>>534302014>If you trust the majority in society to NOT return carts, then why are you returning yours?Because I am not a littering shithead regardless if other people are>If you trust the majority in society to return carts, then how can you not trust them to press blue?I don't care and I don't give a fuck if other people return carts. And even if they do return carts this doesn't make them a safe pick in making a proper decision in a situation when I can fucking die
>>534299582The dilemma here, really, is whether you feel any duty to try to help save people who are dumb enough to push the blue button. Obviously, everyone can just push red and be fine. But some number of people are going to be stupid enough to push blue, for whatever reason. If you push blue, understanding that pushing red is guaranteed to protect you, you are risking your own life to try to save those people. The question is whether you think it's worthwhile to risk your own life to save the lives of an unknown number of incredibly stupid people.
>>534299582Another scientology thread, apparently they been on /pol// lately. They do not seem like ethical people.
Blue-niggers seem to fail to understand there is a second way to get the outcome they desire. Everyone pushing red has the same outcome as half the population pushing blue.However, the risk of pressing blue is that everyone who pressed it will die if not enough presses it.The risk of pressing red is that everyone who did not press red will die.Thus, the personal risk of pressing red is null while pressing blue is high.In other words, red is a high reward no risk situation while blue is a high reward high risk situation.There is no reason to press blue unless you are suicidal or a retard.
>>534299582ofc there will be innocent empaths that pressed the blue button, but the question should be read as 'save own life/gamble it for no reason'red is risk-freeall other assumptions are a meme
>>534303273Can you show me a single poll equivalent to the original prompt where red had more than even 70%?
I'll admit I didn't quite understand the hypothetical at first. My first instinct was to hit blue, but realistically theres nothing preventing EVERYONE from hitting red and essentially getting the exact same outcome with 0 risk
>>534303324>30% of the population is retardedImagine my shock
>>534303324>poll written in English on an English language website>still pretty close to 50-50Translate the post into chink runes and make it go viral on wechat or whatever they use, I’d love to know what they think
>>534299864Did you make this image? Becquse it's fucking retarded. You did a bad job and should feel bad
>>534301420> The overwhelming majority of the world cannot maintain a civilizationThat's silly, because the world has had near-continuous civilization for 7000 years now at least, so factually the majority of humanity (perhaps excluding africa) can> There is no fucking way a worldwide vote would win with blue.other countries like asians vote blue even more. What do you think "collectivism" is? The idealistic attempt to make everyone vote blue. It's confucius':>if everyone cleans the road in front of their home, the whole road will be cleanObviously it doesn't work because humanity is evolutionarily set to have a very specific red/blue ratio (selfishness/altruism). Experiments even produce the split mathematically with free agent simulations, so both red pressers and blue pressers are normal and necessary.> What would you do in this situation then?Probably red, because there is no prosocial reason to press blue anymore, which is why i know the majority will likely press red>but it's the same situation!rationally it is, but human beings aren't rational. Living itself isn't rational to begin with.You live: you have problemsyou're dead: you don't have any problemsDying is always the rational choice. So living automatically requires admitting rationality is just a tool, while life needs to be lived according to emotional, philosophical and aesthetic values. Rationally, people ought to pick the highest cost/reward job available every time, but people choose to live differently according to their preferences. In my case i choose to press blue in the original question because i want to live among people who will irrationally care for a stranger's safety. In your variant of the question there is no such irrational kindness.
>>534299582So this is the button shit you retards been spamming? Why is it "buttons" anyway, you fucking retarded jeets?
>>534299582If you dont do X then Y. gradeschool subversion techniques in this one from glownigger faggot.
>>534299582This interpretation is hilariously backwards. Only blue button pressers would do what you claim the red does and vice versa. Blue ensures the gibsmedats, cart niggers, thieves, etc. survive. Red presser game theory chads eliminate the parasites
>>534303498The other part is that it’s a worldwide poll, and western leftoids are the only people smart enough to understand what the buttons do and not choose the “guaranteed survive” one. They’re massively, severely outnumbered by the global south that for the most part don’t have an equivalent for altruism in their languages and would push red because why the fuck would you not
>>534300358Has ever before a man this based walked the face of the Earth?
>>534303283You know what else is risk free? Not fighting in war, and yet...
>>534299582>hustles to the bitter endGood goy>returning lost walletEnjoy your theft charges from karen>queues patientlyAgain good goy.>muh janniesThis aint good ol ye older days of 2000 anymore, retardo-kunAnd you forgot to mention that blue is pro shitkins and vaxxed.
>>534299582Look, basically, I'm just not gonna push it (the blue button).UGH I know. I'm SORRY!!!It's just... I'm not gonna push it is all.HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA
>>534303976No wonder you'd push the blue button. Really can't think. I didn't start it. I'm just a mere citizen.
>>534300981I want all the blue people to die a painful death
>>534303996>kikes taking advantage of good societies is why we shouldn't have good societiesKikes always win this way. The thousands of years old issue with civilization is that blue pressers are necessary internally for social cohesion and a happy society, but red pressers are necessary to deal with actual issues. A fully rational society is awful because your politicians and richfags have 0 reason to not sell you out and manipulate blues for their gain while you die in the street, but a fully blue society is pretty much made of slaves
>>534304057Prove me wrong then. Other anons did a good job, you have no point
2 billion 'jeets and 1 billion Africans will press the red button, I will press it also so there remains yet a white man to recolonize them in the post-apocalypse
>>534304359yes, you are right
>>534304617God damn selfish third worlders would never risk their lives for the collective good!
Bluetards are actually getting dumber. Impressive.
>>534299582Lmao
>I pressed the button that might kill me and now I’m going to die>How could this be happening to me??
>>534299582TL;DRIt's another iteration of thisalso OP is a fag
>>534299864Red pushers are the ones on suicide watchlmaolmfao even
>>534299582>>534305380the heatmap survey was misleading too
>>534299582Blue button is the ONLY correct choice. Imagine all the kids that will die because they dont understand and thing and just like the color blue. All the retards that will die. All the empathic people. You would be killing billions on pure selfishness. Anyone voting red should be executed on the spot
>>534305493You retards genuinely belong in mental asylums.
>>534304962I will punish them, don't worry, you will cheer me on from the afterlife as I defeat them in glorious warfare by any means necessary and expand my territory exponentially, and I won't make the mistake of previous conquerors who merely sought to supplant their wicked rulers, there will be mass sterilizations of the men and the women permitted to have children only with swedish egg and sperm donors, and this will only be fore a fraction of the population deemed worthy to exist as laborers where even the slightest resistance is crushed with nerve gas and murderdronesI will heal this world
>>534304299$10 says you're a retarded commie too
>>534299582What about me?
>>534305693Dude you cant even do 20 push ups
>>534299582>Time to put the debate to rest once and for allThat moment came and went the first time this shit got posted and you fuckwits decided to waste your low value time pigfighting about it for the last two weeks.
>>534304731Do you have the full webm? I forgot to save it
>>534299582You had me convinced who the bad guy was but then you said>shitposts, insults janniesso you must be wrong. Nobody with a winning attitude like that can be the bad guy.
>>534299846I thought it was blue pressers who were the retards since they didnt know any better. Which one is it?
>>534300798There’s no debate >red Kill others>blue Save others
>>534299582
>>534307087Blues are retards because they live on a planet with>1.5 billion subsaharan niggers>2.3 billion chinks and seamonkeys>2 billion jeetsand expect that enough of them will do “the right thing” and join about 400 million white leftists in pushing blue. Their inability to see why that’s not smart is actually a good insight into the policies they advocate for, but that’s a separate conversation
>>534300981>you're fine with people unwilling to take the chance of others dying on their behalf die, which is being a murdererA car is barrelling down the street at a high, unsafe speed.A ball innocently bounces into the road, into the path of the car, with an inattentive child chasing behind it.Two people observe this. One stands by and does nothing. One leaps into action, running toward the child. He makes a running leap, intending to tackle the child out of harm's way.Fortunately, the child notices the car before getting to the street, and stops short of it. There is no longer anyone to save.Unfortunately, the leaper does not react in time to this change, falls into the street, is struck by the car, and is killed. He did not save anyone.You would propose that the man who did nothing at all is a murderer in this situation. You are completely off-base. A coward? Maybe. But not a murder by any stretch.
>>534307156Red retards somehow twist their minds into framing things as consciousness people (blue button) committing suicide. They exclusively talk about safety vs risk, completely avoiding responsibility (a notion they fear or ignore) or even causation. Death just comes upon the civilized people, somehow unrelated to the cause of death, namely the red choice. Red button niggerism thinks "I will ensure I don't die from this dilemma". Blue button civilisation thinks "I will ensure I don't murder from this dilemma". Of course this is only true among Whites, if browns are counted, red red red.
>>534299582If you press the blue button you risk potentially millions or billions of lives. Bluebpressers are truly evil.
>>534299582Life isn't a binary, there are people who do a little of column A and a little of Column B. You're doing the equivalent of female zodiac sign racism, but even more retarded because you're pigeonholing people into just two categories rather than 12.
>>534307180me on the right
>>534307686>Of course this is only true among Whites, if browns are counted, red red red.The framing of the question is "everyone."Blues constantly say they're pushing blue to save the innocent 4-month olds who can't push any button at all, so of course, the billions of selfish non-Western peoples will be pushing buttons (or not) and they completely outnumber western societies. No one is responsible for actions that are not their own.
>>534299582Which option will genocide jews for good?
>>534307180Too many people alive as is. I'm more than happy to get rid of the thinks with emotions half.
>>534302014In law there is the concept "reasonable person". You should assume the other party is reasonable. Pressing the blue button isn't reasonable it's having a death wish.I assume the other parties are reasonable and push red. Also, I don't want to incurr a risk on my life for some unknown people.Even if you don't think 99% of people are evil (they are) you should still under a moralistic framework assume people are creatures of reason and thus press red since no one would press blue.
>>534307990Red, 75% choose blue no matter who.
>>534307686Red is rational action: it is not my responsibility to save people so irredeemably stupid that they pushed a “maybe die” button when a “don’t die” button is right there. They will not drag me into their mistakesBlue is emotional reactions: think of the children, what about people too dumb to know better, and on and onAltruism and empathy are needed for civilization, yes, but the kind that pushes blue is actively suicidal and should not be allowed to vote because they can’t be trusted to make good decisions
>>534307990It's the one where you don't elect a kike, but that's not available to you
>>534307156What’s so hard to get? People are free to choose between straight up salvation or a gamble. I don’t trust everyone on earth so of course i’m not gonna gamble. Every individual who presses blue instead of exiting the game is sabotaging themselves for literally no fucking reason kek.
>>534305493I'm already convinced to press red you can stop
>>534299582>Time to put the debate to rest once and for all
>>534299582The red button is for people who live on a planet with niggers, browns, asians.Pressing blue only works on an all white planet.Yes, asians would all press the red button, they are orderly, but order doesn't mean selfless or nice.
>>534302014>If you trust the majority in society to NOT return carts, then why are you returning yours?The majority of people already do not return shopping carts and I still do it because it's the right thing to do.Doing the right thing, regardless of what other people do, is true strength of character.
I press red and hope whiteys choose extinction
>>534299582You put the buttons on the wrong sides dumbass. Blue pushers are NPCs with no personal responsibility.
>>534308121Then I pick black button that will racially genocide jews and the rest of the world other than asia.Asians are fine, they have civilisation going on. Rest of barbarians should go.
>>534307911>>534308172>No one is responsible for actions that are not their own.>it is not my responsibility Red pushers are responsible for the death of blue pushers in case in happens. They are guilty of attempted killing anyway. It is their exclusive responsibility. Inflicting death is tied to the action of pushing red. Red apologists try to frame the question as if every person was only responsible for their own security, completely ignoring responsibility not to kill others. Humans with souls may try to argue for red by claiming they are in self defense against a probable red majority (hence why they can offer a different answer whether it's everyone of White only, because it changes the probability of red majority from near certain to negligible). Killing in a self defense scenario is not murder and they then would be responsible but not guilty. This is completely different from the talmudism of claiming civilized people are evil, stupid, """irrational"", or deserving it, or committing suicide, by picking blue, or that red pushers are not responsible for the death of the blue.
>>534305493>Anyone voting red should be executed on the spotYou can't because I choose red
Blue pressers are the top of the bell curve. Niggers press red immediately as it’s the clearest path towards self-preservation, truly intelligent people realize the vast majority of the population just presses red, so pressing blue becomes nonsensical.
>>534299885Where the fuck is this even from? whats wordsum?
>Having sympathy for the jannies of all peopleBluefags has gone cenile.
>>534300981Could you please go to russia, israel, iran, gaza, ukraine and some nigger shithole, someone might be dying over there due to lack of gay buttsexx
>>534299582Ok, don't push any button, doesn’t die and doesn’t kill anyone.The only wining move is not to play.
>>534309176The red button is an exit button though
Push both buttons.Live, and hopefully break the suicide machine; deprive all those blue button faggots the escape they seek.
>>534300787Jumping in to help others in a stampede is exactly how stampedes get worse and people get crushed. God damn we're surrounded by dumbfuck retards that would throw themselves in front of a bus because the government said it would help someone. Cattle. All of them. Thankfully most of them are sterile now.
>>534300208You don't exist. Only OP's fake bullshit is real. Everything else is a dirty lie.
>>534308652>Red pushers are responsible for the death of blue pushers in case in happens.I didn’t force them to push blue. Why couldn’t they join the redchads?
>>534310701It's a miscalculation of whoever formulated the problem, they assumed around 50% of the population are retards and manufactured the complexity of the problem based on that. When in reality it's more like 80~90%, so the only correct choice is red.
>>534307857>>534308075Whenever i think i'm wrong for choosing blue, the psychopathic answers cue me right back in
>>534307591This is like the breakfast questionred pressers just cannot reason their way past "i am not responsible, therefore i am right">What if it was your child?>but it isn't my child
It’s really not complicated. It’s a trick.Blue = risk deathRed = don’t risk deathAnd since there’s no limit on unanimity, everyone could just press the red button unanimously and 0 people would die. But of course because of human psychology people would die, and it would mostly be the people who are essentially committing suicide out of principle.
>>534312858To put it another way, the only mechanism wherein red-pressers are made responsible for the death of blues is the majority issue.However, if you look at it on a straightforward individual level, you’re essentially saying that since if you give 8 billion people a binary choice between suicide and not suicide, enough people wouldn’t understand the choice they were making that the onus is on you to press blue to save them from themselves.
>>534299582at least keep the slide threads down to 1 per topic
>>534307795I know, it's basic:Red is self-benefit, blue is benefiting the group at one's personal lossObviously people cut the line at some point, like risk of death but the goal is to get the people to think of what is coherent behavior.> Do i return the cart because i'm afraid of judgement, or do i return it out of actual love for my fellow connationals?"and> Do i want to live in a world where some people return the cart because they're cowards, or do i want people to return the cart ready to suffer just to make society a better place for everyone?"It's the fundamental question of societies. Only love for one's people, race, culture, land, food etc can create something better than the shitholes that modern countries are fast turning into.A nation where everyone voted blue even though it's stupid is like a nation where an elderly man plants 100 trees every day that he will never see bloom. It does take an irrational people to do that, albeit it ultimately is rational:>"if i'm dumb and accidentally press blue due to a sudden vertigo, i can be guaranteed that my fellow people will never pick red, and my society has my back no matter what"Wanting to live in a better society requires pressing blue. It's also what the bible tries to convey.
>>534299582I'm pushing red just to watch moralizing self righteous blue pushers die.Worst case nothing happens.
>>534299582>he thinks i returns the cart for them>he thinks i didn't earn my welfare>he thinks i intentionally missed the basket to make his life dirtier>he thinks i am not taking the wallet to teach him a lesson>he thinks amazon is reaming everyone as a courtesy>he thinks the bulls will stop for him>he thinks i am not testing everyone's situational awareness>he thinks i am not testing everyone's situational awareness>he thinks i am not testing everyone's situational awareness>he thinks i didn't put in an extension>he thinks i am going to pay artificially inflated prices>he thinks anyone cares about his bad tastes
pressing blue invalidates the heroism of people pressing blue, so I'm pressing red for the benefit of their memory
Blue is the ethical choice but red is the smart one.You wouldn't trust in billions of indians and chinese? would you?
>>534313192That’s a lot of words to say you don’t understand the prompt or are intentionally ignoring the rules to moralize. It’s less>would you return the shopping cartVs. >would you risk killing yourself based on the chance that this will be the moral thing to do, or would you not risk killing yourself based on the guarantee that this is at worst morally neutral.The latter might seem less Christlike, but keep in mind God could see the outcome and sacrificed Himself with certainty that it would help others even though he died. Here, if you die, it profits no one anything whatsoever.
>>534299582almost everything underneath the blue button describes me but I would still press the red button.I don't have suicidal empathy.
>>534307686>Red retards somehow twist their minds into framing things as consciousness people (blue button) committing suicide.Functions of nature, like the automatic culling of dysfunctional genes, are a bitch. Survival and adaptation are why any species can exist for thousands of years. That's not to say that survival and charity are mutually exclusive. As the saying goes: "Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime."
>>534308652The rest of the world flips a coin before pressing the button.Which one do you press?
>>534299582Blue pressers are communist dead weight who count on everyone else to carry them on their backs. Red pressers are true survivors and thus the future existence of the group. Blue pressers are the ones that get left on the mountain or by the side of the trail.
>>534299582OP doesn't understand hustle culture. Hustling is about always coming out on top. Everyone else is your bitch.
>>534313983So here's what I'm getting at.Let's say people choose at random. Let's say reds have proportional collective responsibility. Let's say you have responsibility for your own death.You're responsible for 0.5 deaths on average with blue. You're responsible for 0.19 deaths on red if the deaths get spread evenly. You're really telling me you'd sacrifice 2.6 of yourself for a single stranger?
>>534300981Law is usually a reflection of morality, and it is not illegal to not try to save someone if it would put your life in real risk. People decided on this law when push came to shove.
Sorry I'd like to push blue, I just cant trust people to do the right thing, so I must continue to persist just to be against them, red is the choice.
>>534312820If my child was dumb enough to push blue he would deserve whatever comes for him too and it's not my responsibility that if after years of me telling him "push red" he still pushes blue. There would be nothing else I could have done for him to prepare him for the question, so if he still picks wrong it cannot be helped.My breakfast was delicious, but if I hadn't had it, I would be hungry until lunchtime.
>>534299582Blue pressers are retards.
>>534299582>Muh false dichotomyCould this be any more blatant?
>>534299864OP isn't an argument, it's a strawman and an inversion of reality.
>>534299582>newest institutional persuasion routine dropsboring
>>534299864The button question is a trap. If you don't think about it for a moment and only read the text you will press blue because it says people won't die if everyone presses it. Just like with the how would you feel if you didn't have breakfast? A retard doesn't understand the question or think about it.
>>534316207Red pressers are psychopaths.
>>534316207>>534318222These literally do not change the original problem at all.
>>534299582Everyone should just be told to press the Red button, forced even, what's the problem if everyone presses the red button?If you still don't comply when it's in your best interest to press Red, and are being told to press Red, then that's just natural selection
>>534318222The only way the red button could be a threat is if you have already pressed Blue. What goes trough the mind of the first blue presser, exactly?
prove this wrong
>>534299582>Time to bring up this played out topic, beat a dead horse, and spam the board again
>>534316207>>534318222This is a completely different problem from the original.
>>534318314Of course not however it simplifies it.In the RVB world, pressing red is the smart choice.In the B only world NOT pressing blue is the smart choice.In the R only world pressing red is the smart choice.Effectively, and conclusively making the red button the only sensible, logical, intelligent choice to make.
>>534318699How?
>>534318504Who does the murdering in this case? I'll vote yes unless it obligates me to personally take action, in which case I'll go with a no because I'm too lazy to murder anyone.
>>534318879probably the federal governmentor maybe it's a world government police force if this thing is world wide
>>534318816>pressing red is the smart choiceIf the goal is that no one dies, red needs to convince 100% of people to press red. Blue only needs to convince 51%. How is it smarter to double the work you have to do to save everyone?The fact that red-pressers struggle so hard to defend their choice is clear evidence that you would fail, and your choice would just kill people if you failed to convince 100% of everyone. It's enough for blue to just be the majority, and they'll save everyone.Blue is the smart choice.
I don't want to play the death game, so I push red.>but what about the redditors who engage in a self-fulfilling prophecy and pushed blue?I don't care
>>534299582Blue: sucks cockRed: gets cock suckedOP: is a fag
>>534299582proof right wingers are worse thsn niggers
The world if red team wins: Anywhere from 10-49% of people die, mostly women and very young children, mostly in the West and high-empathy countries. collapsing global supply chains and disrupting the economy for decades (it's estimated only 2% of people would need to die to cause widespread collapse of critical services). I am not able to play vidya games as i am busy hunter-gathering or dead from pressing blue.The world if blue team wins: nothing changes, I continue playing vidya gamesI vote for blue team because it's my only chance to keep playing vidya games :)
>>534313634>Effort posts ONLY>ShitpostsRetard detected
>>534299582Blue pushers are covert narcissists. This is a covert narcissism test.
bluetards are actually all the things on the right but they think they are on the left left which is why they are insufferable
>>534319235Everyone dies. If bluetards choose to do it with some retarded button game then that’s too bad for them.
>>534319235>red needs to convince 100% of people to press redNo, red does not need to convince anyone of anything. If someone wants to act in their own self disinterest, it's not red's fault or responsibility to correct that behavior.
>>534299582a true blue presser would never make this img. a true blue presser would never spread it.
Ah sweet, the latest glowop just dropped
>>534308804>>534299885subscriber sample of redditors, in other words fake and gay
people still don't understand that pushing red is all about ensuring survival in a majority non-white world. your arguments are not invalid but you truly don't understand how shitty this world is
>>534319846>>534319648It's not a surprise that USA is so broken and full of grifters looting its rotting corpse for whatever remains of it. You're all so self-obsessed you don't even realize that acting out of selfinterest will only ever cause society great harm. Instead of acknowledging that, you just check your own needs and try to game the system. But all that does is erode people's trust in each other, and erode the society as a whole.Americucks are degenerates. You keep destroying yourselves with your self-obsession, and then wonder why you keep suffering the consequences of your own dysfunction.
>>534307180>Sorry everyone livesPushes the one button that can cause death.The Red button isn't even wired up. Doesn't even do anything.
>>534308517Based and East Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere pilled
>>534299582blue: imports the third worldblue: puts other races above their ownblue: will forgive the man who killed their entire family
You might want to press the red button because the people on the other parts of the world might not be so noble
>>534300981What good is being able to main civilization, if your suicidal empathy drives you to import billions of shit skins who will kill you and tear down your society.
>>534321279>retard thinking he's a geniusThat's all that meme is.
>>534322801What if it's the blue button that's not hooked up? Maybe the red button adds your name to a government database, and if enough people register, the government will come and kill everyone who doesn't? Same question, but now it's your fault. Lots of midwits keep trying to change the question by relabeling the buttons. Just look at the consequences of each action.
>>534303752>> The overwhelming majority of the world cannot maintain a civilization> That's silly, because the world has had near-continuous civilization for 7000 There are many tiers of civilization. The overwhelming majority cannot maintain modern civilization. The problem is, civilization has no way to go backwards, since the old ways are forgotten. When modern civilization implodes, we won't just go back in an orderly fashion, instead it will be pretty much a total collapse back to the stone age. The death toll will be incomprehensible.
>>534321665blue pressers are why we “need” a warning to not iron clothes you’re currently wearing
>>534299582Fucking BASED op. Dysfunctional /pol/tards who can't coexist with others can eat a dick!!!
i'm something of a nigger myself
Blueniggers are literally responsible for the fall of western civilisation. Why risk yourself for retarded niggers when the optimal strategy is to do nothing. Everyone else too retarded to do nothing gets filtered.
>>534307517So if you choose red then you kill all the europeans and live with all those jeets, good job
>>534299864Red's argument is literally>Everyone will just vote red lol
>>534303273Everyone pushing blue also has the same outcome of everyone pushing red. Voting all (all as in vast majority) red causes deaths, voting all (all as in vast majority) blue causes no deaths.Why can't red niggers understand that?
>>534299582>equating hating jannies to nigger behaviorOP is an insufferable fucking faggot
>>534328279>failed fifth grade math award>failed basic critical thinking award>>534329965Red winning requires assuming people are selfish jackasses, blue “winning” (getting to the same outcome as some guy that pushed red) requires suicidal altruism and somebody to be unbelievably stupid to start things off. I’m pushing the Definitely Live button, you can push something else but it’s not my problem to fix. How is that hard to understand?
>>534323645>Just look at the consequences of each action.Red button: Don't dieBlue button: Maybe dieCould there be a more simple choice?
>>534329965Everyone voting red means no one dies, you illiterate jackass
>Reds assume their fellow man is smart enough to not push the button that kills you>Blues assume there's an entire group of "others" that are so stupid they'll get themselves killed the moment they have to make a decision
>>534330378Correct. You'd have to be dumb as an animal to push blue.
>>534330378Yes.
>>534330362Kill the guy who set this up. He wants to kill dyslexic retards and the color blind for some reason. The red button doesn't work!
>>534308652>>534300536>>534299864>>534299846red pressing subhumans fail to even ask themselves>what if my mother/sibiling/child pressed blue? what if a thrid of my family and friends pressed that? by pressing red i'm putting their lives in danger, the most logical thing is to press blue and try to save everybody, i'm sure most of humanity with families to care of will think like meinstead their only argument is their own safety, even a mentally impaired downie would think about that blue is the only right choice, yet redders can't even do that, this puts red pressers below braindead 80iq downies.red pressers are GOY subhumans, they justify jewish hatred of non jews.every redder is either:>retarded>a loner loser with no family>psyco with 0 empathy
>>534299582picrel is inaccurate, though because red button pressers take no risk at all with its only consequence being "creating a situation in which blue button pressers could end up getting overwhelmed in number leading to their destruction" which is self inflicted.
>>534330929Their cope for that is that they'll blindly believe, with complete confidence and zero doubt, that their family members will also pick red.They're that self-centered.
>>534299582As a red buttoner, you can save other people by convincing them to not push blue. Saying that blue has a monopoly on saving lives is misrepresentation and you're a gay ass schmuck if you argue that
>>534299582Well said. Red pressers are niggerbrains
>>534330235>>534330362i hope a third of your family pushes blue and red wins lol, but i bet you subhumans never even considered this possibility, tards with an iq below 90 struggle to imagine such situations as well as concepts like basic empathy.but don't worry i have a simpler question for you niggers/jeets/chinks, whatever mistery meat brown excrement type you arehow would you feel if you didn't eat breakfast this morning?
>>534299582Can I be white if I love shitposting? I really love it.
There's something about red pushers having the same mentality as the average Israeli...
>>534331279>i hope a third of your family pushes blue and red wins lolThe true desire of suicidal blues is to punish reds for not drinking the kool-aid.
>>534331067their main argument is always their own safety, never even once i saw a redder tard consider what would happen to their blue pressing family members.they will cope with some retarded nonsense like>hurr those family members were dumb and deserve to die, my mum should have been have pressed red!!their low iq fails to make them understand they could have saved here
>>534331279Who's my family and loved ones gonna listen to, moron? You? Of course not. They'd sooner take my advice than listen to a tranny redditor faggot from the internet
>>534299582Death to Reddit faggots.
>>534331359thats irrelevant, sometimes the only way to make a dumb subhuman understand the impact of his choices is to make his experience the results first hand.this is a test to differentiate low empathy niggers vs humans, my example merely attempts to make them think for a single moment about the possibility of their loved ones dying>>534331405>the dilemma states i can have a quick meetup with all my family members and friends where we all discuss what to press together, i'll simply send a whatsapp message to all my contacts and tell them to press redholy shit what a dumb retarded brown nigger excrement, kys retard
>>534331630My loved ones/family would never think of pushing blue because each of them knows that the only guaranteed way we get out of it together is if they all vote red.
>>534331868>Everyone will just do x!Oh nonononono...
>>534299582Fuck jannies
>>534331868>>534331930>my 60 yo mother would press red without knowing what i will press because she wants to save meomg red retarded niggers just keep humiliating themselves day after day ahahhaah
>>534299582>list of burdens aren't under the "become a burden" button>list of personal responsibilities aren't under the "don't become a burden" buttonExcellent bait, someone will be mad.
>>534331630You can get a new family if you're alive. Survival matters, an increasingly alien concept amongst feminized Whites.
>>534299582Blue NPCs have no answer to this
>>534332501>You can get a new family if you're alive. Survival matters, an increasingly alien concept amongst feminized Whites.translation:>i'm an 80 iq brown subhuman with no concept of basic empathy hahahah, way to out yourself faggot.>>534332571>if everybody supported communism millions wouldn't have been sent to death gulags, they dumb or something?i am also good at making retarded analogies red nigger
>>534332734Explain how the comic is wrong, spicy meatball. I realize you're a hopelessly emotional retard but try to calm down and actually explain what's wrong with the metaphor.
>>534332832Because people you love will be the ones that will have the gun to their head, and going with their choice is the only way to protect them.
A Jew wrote this >picrel
>>534332734Just realized, is that supposed to be a black hole where my brain is. You're saying my brain is the densest object known to exist. My brain apparently has extreme mass. Don't use space metaphors if you don't actually understand space.
>>534299582>red: stand alone on pure logic>blue: requires propagandist framing because its feelz before real feminine virtue signaling
>>534332892>Because people you love will be the ones that will have the gun to their headThat would be sad. >Protect themThere are going to be something like 7 billion votes. My one vote won't change their fate. The idea that you're protecting anyone is delusional.
>>534332734Suicide isn't empathy.
>>534333043You're situation is the same situation that those same billions will experience.Are you an npc?
>>534333180>You're situation is the same situation that those same billions will experienceAnd? My vote won't change theirs, so it's irrelevant.>NPCSee >>534332571
>>534299582Demoralizion thread by third worlders hoping to tear down the White race
>>534333230Unlike you, the average person is more in touch with their family and is much more open to doing what protects them.
>>534299582Red, people who understand what the word 'vote' means. Blue, people who also understand what the word 'vote' means, but pretend they don't. To score some social points.
>>534299582https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kbkysPTnHcSocial media has primed an environment where this type of degeneracy is not only accepted, it thrives. Social media desensitizes and radicalizes even moderates into believing heinous and abhorrent behavior is acceptable under the correct context. Spend just 5 minutes on Twitter, Facebook, Reddit, you will find hordes of these deranged people. They exist among us. The FBI knows about them but never acts until it is far too late. Western society is on a one-way fast track to collapse as long as social media continues to destroy minds and decay the culture.
>>534333305>Ad homPathetic
>>534333331If you don't consider your family on a choice that might kill them, and only focus on yourself, it's not a ad hom.
>>534333368I have considered them and already explained. Read, retard.>>534333043
>>534299582Why is there no category for skin color?
>>534333412You just handwaved them away to their deaths, not really a deep consideration.
>>534333518If you didn't eat breakfast this morning, how would you feel?
>>534300981I feel you Italianbro. You created articulated well thought arguments and all you got in return was "But red good for me". Don't expect the halfwits and immoral, atomized,modern "men" to produce anything of value in this debate. The best you are going to get is drivel such as "But if 100% of 8 billion people thought and acted like me then nothing would happen".
>>534331630This is actually a real concept in political science -- Prisoner's Dilemma, Tragedy of the Commons, etc. Of course most anons here are too stupid to understand that, they are dumber than a goldfish.
>>534299582Most of earth’s population is nonwhite. Red is self-preservation. Simple as.
Everyone also lives if everyone presses the red button.
>>534333818if your solution to a problem is "everyone would just...", then you don't have a solution.
>>534333576I'm pressing the red button in the hopes you die.
>>534333876if everyone would just press the blue button, blue button pressers wouldnt die. ( i press red btw )
The majority of the button pushers are niggers, Indians, and Chinese. If you aren’t pushing red you’re fucking retarded.
>>534333935Blue pressers just need more than 50%, unlike the 100% that red needs.The impossible "everyone would just do x" doesn't apply to blue, because blue doesn't need everyone, just enough.
>>534333926I'm pressing the blue button in hopes I die.
>>534333876Yes I do, pressing the red button ensures personal survival. If you were smart you would too.Either way it's a bullshit test.
Just have a self-preservation instinct and everyone makes it>nooo there must be needless danger that we place ourselves in
>>534333669This is nothing like the prisoner's dilemma.In that, each choice has its potential pay offs and drawbacks. That can't be said for the "you live" and "maybe live" red and blue buttons.
I do not push blue if it takes 10%I do not push blue if it takes 20%I do not push blue if it takes 50%I do not push blue, gg, boohoo
>>534333040thank God we live in a pure logical world then leaf anon, otherwise something like importing a trillion pajjets might have happened. could you imagine, oh no, not me.
>>534333926it's ok my son, I forgive you. but your heart disease won't.
>>534299582Blue white mentally Red Nigger mentality Prove me wrong
>>534333043>>534332832stupid ass nigger lol>explain muh dicklike trying to teach algebra to a dog
>>534332951>my brain is le hecking black holego back to r/india reddit faggot
>>534335042>Presses blue>Dies Lmao
>>534334256>each choice has its potential pay offs and drawbacks. That can't be said for the "you live" and "maybe live"so your family and kids possibly dying are not pay offs or drawbacks, holy shit what a dumb nigger, only cares about himself lol
>>534334934>implying being good goy leftist is same as being white
>>534335147>pressed red>family and kids deadLmao
>>534335212Only on The Internet are there retards, like your good self, that will pick "Maybe die for no good reason" button.
>>534335295Only on the internet there are retards, like your good self, that will pick "i'll vote for something that will possibly kill a third of my family" button .you kinda prove how filthy communists were able to take power and massacre millions, you are a GOYCATTLE
>>534299582Test
>>534335271red pushers don't care if blue pushers die.
>>534335515yea this seems to be obvious, a good chunk of the population have no inner monologue, have no soul or are straight up loner npcs with no family or close friends, they all press red
>>534335402I'm sorry to hear a third of your family is retarded.
>>534335271>Presses red>Family also pressed red
>>534335663>my family and kids are all logicians and will all press red 100%hahaha dumb irish monkey
>>534334073Blue means you either die or live in a world where there is at least other blue pushers. Red means you either die or share the earth solely with red pushing sociopaths.
>>534335212>so your family and kids possibly dying>>534335271>>family and kids deadI had to explain this meme few time to my family as they couldn't even comprehend what kind of idiot would press blue, they were under impression I messed up somewhere because otherwise pressing blue didn't made any sense to them, they didn't think blue is "save someone maybe" option, they were convinced this is a suicide option.
>>534335888how is it possible that so many tards can't think:>hmm what if my kid or mother pressed blue? they will surely diemaybe you didn't explain the dilemma properly
>>534332922What's happened to /pol/? No one checks anyone anymore
>>534335746>Red means you either dieRed doesn't die.>>534335644If you're not smart enough to realize that everyone would be safe if we all picked red then you're dumb enough to be swindled by jews.With blues you lose.Seriously, why the fuck would anyone pick blue?If we all just worked together we'd all live.We'd all be ok.If we could all just agree to push red, we'd all live.>But some people will push blueWell then these people will shit on the street and expect someone else to clean it up even though as a society we all agreed to shit in the toilet.Bluefags are street shitters expecting the rest of society to fund the street cleaning.Bluefags are the people who leave the shopping trolley out because SOMEONE ELSE HAS TO SAVE ME FROM THE CONSEQUENCES OF MY OWN ACTIONS!No.Push red like the rest of us and we can all live.If you push blue we cannot trust you to work with the group. You will quite literally cause a chaotic outcome simply because you won't do the logical thing and press red.
>>534299582I would like to remind blue pressers that india exists
>Shit post, insults janniesSee, you had me right up to this point but now I'm obligated to press red.In all seriousness though, no amount fo your niggerish insistence that the appearance of doing moral good is actually doing any good. If everyone just presses the red button, there are LITERALLY no consequences. We are not obliged to accept the artificial label of "selfish" or "evil" from people that are so afraid of being labeled evil for simply pushing the wrong button. The ONLY moral choice is for everyone to press the red button, anyone who presses blue want to put a blade at the throat of society to compel others to live as they want them to live, not as they should.
I'd press blue because I don't want to live in a world of people who superficially choose red and if I die then it's literally not my problem anymore50% blue is a lot easier than 100% red
>>534336288See?Bluefags will even expect someone else to be responsible for killing themselves.Cunt, if you want to die, pull a trigger.
>>534336487You have fun with keeping society going after billions of people die, I'm just not gonna do it is all. Sorry!
>>534336150>pngBased. I also have that in my nazi furry collection
Scenario without planning and everyone voting purely individually>if votes are anywhere from 0% to 50%-1 blue then you obviously benefit from hitting red>if votes are 50%+2 blue or more than neither of your button presses do anything>if AND ONLY IF blue is at exactly 50%/50%+1 do you get any benefit from voting blueExtremely unlikely odds and only the delusional would hit blue in this caseScenario where people can work together and plan>getting 100% of people to vote red would be impossible>if you were to include babies, toddlers, disabled people you would probably end up with 5-10% of the population dead>But blue needs to convince the majority to vote against their own best interest, an interest that is easily understood at the most primal level-- survival>ends up as a coin flip where either no one dies or 40-50% of people die, completely devastating civilizationEven being favorable and adding in the fucking babies to the example still gives an advantage to red. A guaranteed 5-10% is an acceptable risk vs potentially losing half of the population. If you don't include people who are incapable of understanding the vote, it goes down to like 1% and they're all just suicidal anyway. There's no scenario in which picking blue is correct.
>>534336572(though I happen to not be a nazi I think)
The realpolitik moral choice is red since it's obvious people who are primarily self interested in the majority worldwide. You must pick red to defeat the selfish reds after the suicidal empathetic blues kill themselves. >>534336561doomer
>>534299582If it weren't a hypothetical, people would pick red. Since it's a hypothetical and none of it matters, people will pick the good-fucking-person button.
>>534299582None of you blue pussies would do it if death was a real consequence. Except the suicidal ones, which would be hilarious. I'll push red to kill commie scum.
>>534299582blue sounds really fucking gay and retarded
>>534336561>society would be SOOOO tough with less brown people! theres just no way white men could figure it out
>>534336288You could push blue right now by offing yourself. That frees up resources for other people so it's the noble selfless thing to do. How about it?
>>534299582Blues are dumb niggers
>>534299582the blue options need to be suicidal or they're not blue options you retard.
>>534336044Because these "tards" know their family and trust them not to fuck themselves over for no reason.
>>534299582Blue - Values virtue signalling over own well being. Is terrible at mathematics, completely illiterate to game theory. Deserves to die, for eugenics sake. Red - Values own life over pretending to care about brainlets. Intrinsically understands the best choice is obvious because it includes zero risk and only a retard would press the other button and believes those retards deserve to die for the greater good since they are pathetically easy for kikes to manipulate against their own interests.
>>534337669Everyone's going to press red so nothing bad'll happen if it wins, right? Don't worry about it.
>>534299582Everyone can make their own choice. Red if you want to live. Blue if you'd like the chance to die. Voting implies that the voters have the ability to understand and answer the question. If they can't, they can't be voters. And your pushing of blue to protect others, is NOT needed. As voting implies, that the voters, can understand and answer the question. You're merely pretending you don't understand the meaning of the world 'vote'. So then you can call yourself a defender of children and the unwell.
>>534336044I trust that my mom isn't going to run into a burning building on the off chance she can save people that also ran into the building.
>>534336572>>534336150Based
>>534299582In order of that list I'mblueblueblueredblueneither; I don't hesitate to return broken or defective products, but I don't do false returnsredblueblueblueblueredblueredneitherbothAlso in the original dilemma I press red because it's the only button that guarantees survival. Trying to group people into only two groups is retarded.
you are free
>>534335268What good goy about not acting like a nigger?Acting civilised,speek politely, care about the environment or the others? Care about civic sense or the common sense?The red button faggots are just Chimp's.Btw even if press the blue button;I hate IsraelI hate the JewsI hate Niggers I hate the Indian rape ratsI hate the brown masses of mistery meatsI denounce the TorahI denounce Israel right to exist.
>>534299582I make guides and give adviceand my advice to you is to push the red buttonmy guide for red pressing is "just do it"this is an effort post
>>534299582>cant argue or explain how pushing button that leads to death makes sense over pushing button that doesn’t>just goes for ad hominem to cope
>>534299970It’s not even really being empathetic because the whole reason for doing it is because you want people to see you as a good person. They don’t actually care about people or their feelings they just want to look like they do for some retarded social credit game.
