Blue button pushers will tell you you're a bad person if you don't stand on the train tracks in front of a moving train.
>>534304574how is a trolley heading towards a track if it needs a track to move in the first place, retard?
>>534304574I don't make moral judgements based off of an internet hypothetical.
>>534305016Whats moral about pushing the blue button and bringing death into the scenario?
Just vote red and no one will hurt you. Sure, it's a vote to go after everyone who doesn't vote red, but you'll keep your mouth shut if you know what's good for you and you'll keep voting red. Also put that sign in your window that says "I support Red".
>>534306023It's not a vote to go after everyone. You have no responsibility to put your life in danger to save retards who chose to put themselves in danger
>>534304574The redpill is the blue pushers trying to convince you to push blue are actually red pushers
The real test is that you need to watch out for people who try to convince you blue is the right choice in any world.Either they are a retard, ready to die to keep up appearances or they are genocidal and they'd press red just to be safe.In other words, people telling you to press blue are suicidal or genocidal.
>>534304574blue-button-pushers>"Let's work together">Establishes partnerships to achieve more than he could alone >Emotional core: Hope>Tolerates risk when there is benefit to himself or others>"I don't want them to suffer like I did.">Is defeated when deceived into trusting a Red and inevitably betrayed >Responds poorly to coercion, uses trust and cooperation to overthrow slavers>Tries to cultivate fellow Blues to create a community>Willing to risk his own life for the right causered-button-pushers:>"Fuck you, I got mine">Pretends to be a Blue while not actually contributing anything>Emotional core: Contempt>Pathologically risk-averse>"I suffered so why shouldn't they?">Is defeated when Blues identify him and exclude him from the fruits of their labors>Can be coerced to contribute - an ideal slave because his paranoia and selfishness prevent him from organizing a rebellion>Tries to poison others into becoming Reds purely out of spite; knows this will eradicate the structures he depends on to survive; can't help himself >Thinks anything with a non-zero chance of death is a "suicide cult"
THIS ISN'T A TROLLEY PROBLEM, IT'S A PRISONER'S DILEMMA YOU DUMB NIGGERS
>>534306116Just like everyone who decided not to support the red government was asking for trouble. They knew what they were doing, they went out of their way to stir up trouble and they got it, they were asking to be killed. It's not my responsibility to save retards like that who put themselves in danger for no reason.
>>534304574Rightoids had to make up a new red button/blue button problem to make themselves look reasonable instead of sociopathic
>>534306494Prisoner's dilemma except you have the best outcome if everyone is selfish. So not the prisoner's dilemma, because there's no dilemma.The moral dilemma is actually about whether you have a moral duty towards the people who will inevitably misunderstand the assignment.
>>534306116So if you see a toddler wandering into a busy road, you start filming and saying "what a stupid kid, look at him get hit by a car". SSRI psychopathy is infecting the USA.
>>534306652>Prisoner's dilemma except you have the best outcome if everyone is selfishExcept you also have the best outcome if over 50% are selfless. So there are what we would call two 'strong equilibrium points'. with complete communication you can imagine that red might be a possibility, but with no communication at all, and given what we can assume about the probability distribution of answers, blue is an incredibly attractive choice.
>>534306933>Except you also have the best outcome if over 50% are selfless.That still leaves the dilemma aspect of prisoner's dilemma is removed. The best outcome is attainable with everyone being selfish.Communication is actually a good point.If there's communication, people who tell you to press blue are dicks.If there's no communication, there's a case for blue. Do you have a moral duty to people who feel they have a moral duty to protect the retards that endanger themselves for no reason? And you can still have a few meaningful steps in that chain.
>>534306653That toddler is a moron who deserves death, yes. And the parents deserve to live in agonising grief for not looking out for their dumb kid.
>>534304574It's almost as if they're retarded.
The red button does nothing. Therefore no action is the best to avoid following the instructions wrong. Move off the tracks dyslexic and colorblind idiots who accidentally pushed the blue button.
>Riggers desperately trying to salvage their situation and can only defend their bullshit by reframing the question
>>534307222Basically you are conceding to what I was saying. Do we have the first time that someone on 4chan is admitting that they were wrong?
>>534307924You're kind of dense, really. I'm not wrong.This isn't the prisoner's dilemma because there's no titular dilemma, everyone should just press red and live in harmony. That's a very different game from the prisoner's dilemma.The communication aspect is just an interesting part that changes the moral dynamic. You're still saving people who misunderstand the assignment.
>>534308119I wasn't the one talking about the prisoner's dillemma. However if you think of the best reward as everyone living, and therefore both people voting blue, then it is actually very similar to the prisoner's dillemma, because you get a prize (relative security) for you deviating from blue while everyone else presses blue (>50% hopefully) but as that number closes in on 50/50, you are incentivized to press blue yourself in order to avoid the double negative of a large amount of people dying if you both press red. Just look at it that way.
>>534308403>I wasn't the one talking about the prisoner's dillemma.Do you realize why that makes you dense here?Notice what I was talking about >>534306652
>>534308511No, you simply don't have a point if that's your point. Let me explain: I'm not the one you were arguing with originally so I wasn't even responding to part of the problem you had with it, I was simply showing you why blue is the better choice, which you agreed to.
>>534304574I've like analyzing ethical hypotheticals by reframing them as evil maximization problems. How could you cause maximum harm in the blue/red button scenario? Well it's simple, encourage as many people as possible to press blue. Most people are going to press red, so encouraging people to press blue just gets them killed. The more people you convince to press blue, the bigger your bodycount will be.
>>534308683I noticed, the guy was also talking about the prisoner's dilemma. You just butted in, clearly not getting what I said.I was right to call you dense, thanks for making sure of that. What I said was pretty obviously related to the prisoner's dilemma, and I raised a different point. The prisoner's dilemma isn't really a moral dilemma, that's kind of the point. It's game theory. The moral dilemma here is a separate discussion.
>>534306653So you're saying blue button pushers have the IQ of a toddler who doesn't know what it's doing? Anon, which side are you on lmao
>>534306472>>Tolerates risk when there is benefit to himself or othersWhats the benefit of putting a gun to your head and convincing 51% of people to also put a gun to their head?
>>534306652How is not putting a gun to your head selfish? I swear you blue button retards really are 50 IQ
>>534310671I'm red button though. I actually called pressing blue misunderstanding the assignment.Let's look at >>534310617Clearly, if you convince someone to press red, you've saved their life. If there's convincing going around, you save every person you convince to press red.I don't think you have a moral duty to save people who misunderstand the assignment, and you should press red regardless of the result.There's a "save yourself" button. People should save themselves in an emergency. It's unfortunate that some people will misunderstand the assignment and eat the poison mushroom, but you shouldn't tie your fate to them.
>>534306653that has nothing to do with the question you emotional indian monkey
This is just as retarded as the random bear and random man question
>>534311093truke. this question will never happen in real life.
>>534304574Very true. Making up problems and trying to force a solution to their fake, made up problems that everyone has to obey.
>>534304926You're the retard, retard.Anyone who calls someone a retard first is the true retard.
>>534304574I push the red button for myself, then take out a paint bucket and change the color of the buttons to be both yellow. ( cuck color )I crack open a bear and watch what happens next.
>>534311304what about the third person retard
>>534305725Excuse me, all these people are already standing on the track. Do you want them to die? What, are you a murderer?
4chan opinion on this subject keeps changing first it was>red is the rational choicethen it was>blue is the white people choice (because empathy or something)now it's>red does 'nothing' and blue is a suicide gamble along with>blue is what society ought to be and I'm going to risk life because the alternative isn't worth itRed remains undefeated tho
>>534306472Snacks and email daycare coded.
You do not have my permission to jettison whatever crumbs of hope millenials had for desert nigger war #247. You take my support for granted without delivering on promises I will drag you to hell with me. I have nothing to lose.
>>534306344The real test is being aware that some naive souls/dimwits will obligatory vote blue therefore pushing red is condemning them to death. However getting to understand this isn't the final conclusion, the REALER test is to become aware of the structure of the test and the architects of said structure. And to seek them so they can be put to death because I'm tired of haughty kikes making me do boring moral choices and be subjugated to emotional manipulations. tldr : fuck the buttons, go stab a kike
>>534306530Liberalism is a mental disorder.
>>534304574I'm still pressing red.>No no you don't have to understand I HAVE to risk my life for no reason by hoping at least half of people will do thisJust press red. Why would you press blue when there's no benefit to anyone other than showing how "empathetic and selfless" you are? Instagram woman behavior.
>>534304574Nigger fuck your buttons
>>534311311You joke but this is why the question is pointless if asked to the wider internet. You get a whole bunch of answers of people trying to think that they’re clever by giving answers in an attempt to outsmart the scenario while missing the entire point of the phrase “thought experiment”. You’ll get a ton of faggots who say “well I just talk to the conductor beforehand and the train never leaves hurrrr durrrr” just like you get women who say “Neither, I just run away if I see anything in the woods teehee”
>>534306933Hopefully, people would think about it for a minute before standing in front of an oncoming train for no reason.
>>534311351I don't know, it's just a principle on here I have noticed. Whoever is quick to judge and call names is usually wrong about whatever they are correcting the other person on. And they usually specifically call them "retard" too.
Nobody except dumbass honky idealistic white people are picking blue
>>534311693Look at the kike who's mad people are taking a shit on his data mining thread lol.Well nevermind I'm going to spread my poopoo all over the buttons ( making svastika symbols out of my poop ) instead, haha. Put this in your data.
>>534311693It's because we inherited the reddit generation full of sardonic midwits who can't cope with having a minority opinion
>>534311397pressing red is the Nash equilibriumdo you really want "people" in society that can't either see that or intuit that?
The question is logically equivalent to having a yes/no majority vote referendum with the question "Should the government immediately execute every person that votes no on this ballot referendum?" If someone proposed this ballot measure of course it would fail, but red pushers would be like "no you should vote yes!!! just in case it passes!!!! why are you risking your life? WHY AREN'T YOU COOMPLYING!?!?"Real answer: the answer depends on what you think most other people will choose, which depends on the framing and logistics of the question asking. Woodchipper example - correct answer is to not jump in because like 5% of people will jump in. Ballot measure example - correct answer is to vote no because like 5% of people will vote yes. Button example - no clear answer and depends on subtle psychology, framing and word choise. Especially if translated into other languages.All logically equivalent examples but different answers depending on wording.
>>534312115Should be yes because you don't know if the voting is rigged and you don't benefit from saying yes or no while you explicitly survive the death scenario by voting yes.
No one pushes either button. Though experiments happen in the world of though experiments, not in reality.
>>534311541>pushing red is condemning them to deathNo it’s choosing not to be a retard. They did it to themselves. Nobody is obliged to die for someone else’s retardation that’s insane
>>534311857
>>534311541The problem is by pushing blue you are being one of the naive midwits, because most people will pick red to save their ass
>>534304574You retard autist losers have been obsessing over a single tweet for 2 weeks now
I choose yellow button that teleports all indians into the middle of the ocean if one person presses it
>>534305725Only the red button brings murde rinto the scenario. The blue button is the one that says nobody dies.
>>534312435If this is true why would you vote no?
>>534304574I only vaguely remember the original premise. Is there any downside to everyone picking red? Isn't it just if you pick red you don't die regardless?
>>534306653the parents are letting their kid run around in the street and its my fault?
>>534312115It’s not about compliance at all. That’s an insane way to interpret the issue
>>534312480The difference is right there in that post>There are no situation other than dire emergencies in which a person is not able to return their cart.>no one will fine you or kill you for not returning the shopping cart
>>534304574>Latest monkey nigger internet game>Retarded nigger monkeys are arguing over the rulesIshygddt
>>534304574
>>534304574It truly is an iq test. People who push blue do so because their immediate reaction is to virtue signal. But any logic whatsoever says don't touch blue. No one has to die ffs!
>>534312435The seething wojak is correct
>Red Button: Save yourself>Blue Button, kill yourself>HURR PRESS THE BLUE BUTTON!nah, eat my fat 10 inch cock you stupid faggot kike tranny nigger.
>>534304574Blue pusher's arguments hinge on convincing others to push blue to save people, but the same would be achieved with less effort by convincing them to push red. You have nothing to gain from blue aside from a nonzero chance of getting an opportunity to sneer at the red pushers about how you're so much of a better person than they are
>>534312570Good thinking, let me reframe a bit. It's not about compliance - it's about fault. (excuse the chatgpt syntax)In the woodchipper example, it's clear that the jumpers are at fault in their own death. In the ballot measure, it's clear that the yes voters are at fault for creating govt death squads in the first place. In the button, the source/cause of danger is unclear, so fault is unclear. Red/blue button pushers actually differ on their assumption of whose fault it is - blues blame red for anyone dying at all, and red blame individual blues for choosing to kill themselves. So the key framing issue is "whose fault is it".
>>534312507The entire moral premise is that you're a "bad" person if you don't volunteer to put yourself in a sacrificial position to save everyone. Basically it's yet another purity test for libshits. Remember the heat graph from like a year ago? They do this every so often. It's retarded monkey nigger games you should do yourself a favor and just make fun of it.
>>534304574Reds are sore losers. That's all folks.
>>534311354Buy its suicide not murder
>>534312507Yes. It’s a simple thought experiment that shows that most people cannot actually rationally assess risk or be trusted with their own choices. And the irony is that this is compounded by all the people who think this is true and double down on the retarded choices for the sake of the retards.
>>534304574This red/ blue button dilemma is such a non-problem. If it were real 99% of people would push red despite most surveys showing most people would press the blue button.Just like rich white women in the US are happy voting for open borders until an Indian joins their yoga class.
>>534304574please, no more.
>>534312873Reds can’t lose. We live no matter what happens and the vote is anonymous so if blues survive they can’t even organize into rape gangs and kill us. Red always wins
>>534312830It’s not about fault it’s about risk
>>534311857>>534312338You're both low IQ therefore brown
>>534312281>>534312340Can you burgermutts read the rest of my post in which I mention the hidden agenda this whole retarded psyops is based on? Will there be a single day during which gullible and moronic gentiles won't be split by hand rubbing kikels into camps fighting each other? They don't even need to come up with reasons, they just say "pick red or blue" and you turds walk into the trap. I hate all of you niggers.
>>534313431Red wins. Blue might win but even then red still wins. That’s literally as simple as it gets. If you get confused and say “but it’s morally wrong for blue not to win therefore I MUST vote blue” you’re a retard who can’t be trusted to manage their own affairs
>>534314054It’s not a psy op. It’s so much simpler than you are trying to make it. There are two choices and one is optimal and for some reason because of the wording most people feel the need to invent wild scenarios that make the sub optimal choice preferable
>>534313867My IQ is over 130 and I am white.
>>534312830on further consideration, realized that it's actually just about your win condition. If your win condition is "I survive" then red every time, you can't gain by switching to blue. If your win condition is "100% of people survive and not a single person dies due to the game" then you don't distinguish between the case where little timmy dies, or the case where you and little timmy die, so blue is slightly favored if you think there's any chance at all that your vote is the deciding vote to save little timmy. If your win condition is "minimize overall death" it's less clear.If aliens actually ran this test and gave us a week to prepare, and they put you in charge of a committee to decide whether to run red or blue propaganda, should you try to convince people to go red or blue? With time to establish a consensus, and run polling to check what people plan to push, I think I would run blue propaganda. If global polling says 75%+ blue I would push blue. If global polling says ~50-50 I would push red assuming some lied on the poll.
>>534304574Every blue is a retard
>>534312480This is why Cart Narcs guy wears plate carriers while making his videos. It’s a penultimate light on just how much the United States is a jewified society of “people” who are spiritually niggers. People who not only don’t put their carts away, but who also get mad when called out over it are a spiritual niggers unfit to look after themselves.
>>534304574>>534306472Bluetards are virtue signalling faggots.Do this scenario in real life with actual deadly consequences, and see how many people are willing to risk their life for literally no reason.
>>534304574Blue is about conforming.vaxxmaxxers are blue pushers.
>>534313151>rigger cope is that "if it was real people would agree with me
>>534311397>then it was>blue is the white people choice (because empathy or something)no, this was never 4chan opinion. you are lying.
>>534314267Yet your reading comprehension is abysmalSomeone is lying through his ugly hook schnozz
>>534314174Pilpulin' kikes pilpuling you into wasting time on idiotic dilemma made to have people fight each other over fevered hypotheticals designed to dehumanize both sides participating. ( because 1. the game's rules are strict and obeying the flawed stupid and inherently evil malignant hidden goal of spawning discord and 2. we all know that if we redirect the flow of the discussion on a more logical bank, then kikes will flood the river to redirect that stream back into a torrent of name-calling and add hominem and tribalistic convulsions, there can be no philosophical debates on /pol/ for /pol/'s grounds are cursed by the presence of (((usual suspects))) compromising anything contained within /pol/ )In conclusion, any and all big threads being pushed on /pol/ is of nefarious nature and cannot be trusted. The so called "open" debates are either brainwashing or made for data mining. Fuck you all for your attention.
>>534314470>Do scenario irl>If you die, you actually die. That’s it. No more life for you. You no longer exist.>You can’t pretend to be some virtuous hero willing to sacrifice himself online like you can with an online poll>If blue loses, you’ll actually be dead, and not be mildly disappointedDoing this scenario irl would in fact change the results drastically
>>534312435but the referendum says nothing, it's like that dumb "If I say I'm lying, am I telling the truth" shit
>>534306472blue has a chance to fail, red doesn'tyou're an idiot
>same problem, but slightly modified: you're stuck in a guillotine that is visibly connected to the blue button with a remote connection to all other guillotines, and it only releases you if more than 50% press>red just releases you from the guillotine What now bluefags? Not so cocky anymore huh?
>>534308741>>534308741>Most people are going to press redCitation needed
>>534306472There is no situation in which a Red Pusher would be soifacing at Blue winning. Red pushers survive no matter what happens, and aren't depending on a team to preserve their life. They press red and walk away meanwhile Blues are having a conniption fit coping and hoping that enough people join the suicide cult.
>>534314741The trolley is "moving towards a track" to emphasize that there isn't even anyone on it, it's just normal train tracks as opposed to the usual trolley problems where there is someone in danger on the tracks.>>534304926 didn't understand the humorous way of putting it.I am white and not a jew, brown or low IQ, and this is the truth. You do not side with the truth. You have to cope by making me into some kind of cartoon in your head because you are wrong.
>>534315265The problem is that is still just a made up scenario with no real stakes involved. You’d need to do the scenario irl. Kidnap 101 adults, release the ones that press Red, and if Blue has 50 or less people that pressed it, kill them.
>>534314360penultimate means "second to last" and makes no sense in this contextyou are also a spiritual nigger
>>534305725you need to get vaccinated for the vaccine to be effective for everybody, chud
>What is more likely, literally everyone on the planet choosing red, or 50% of people choosing blue?Picking red is literal smug redditor nigger brain level of thinking
>>534304574This whole scenario is designed to trigger and expose liberals online.
>>534304574Good illustration. It just isn't a problem. LLM-level shilling at its best.>Some people are suicidal and its not your fault.
>>534315553When you drive, do you move 'toward the road'?
I dunno, if pushing blue is so bad then why does it keep winning out every poll?>Yeah but if this were REAL LIFE everyone would push red!That only really works as an argument if you ignore every single poll and just assume that you're correct contrary to every single piece of data so far
>>534315770You’re a virtue signalling faggot who wants complete strangers to think you’re so noble to sacrifice yourself for, while at the same time doubting that everyone else is going to be dumb enough to vote blue in a real life scenario with actual consequences.
>>534316093none of them have real stakes, the data is just as useless as poker with fake chips
>>534316093It exposes the liberal mind virus. Liberals are pro-open borders until a brown person moves next to them. Liberals are for free healthcare until they visit a country with "free" healthcare. Liberals are anti-gun until they get robbed and stabbed by a nigger. Etc etc. Liberals say they'll push the blue button to once again virtue signal but if this was actually real life they'd slam that red button so fast you wouldn't even see their hand move.
>>534316093>That only really works as an argument if you ignore every single pollYeah, that’s the fucking point, retard.Polls don’t have actual consequences. Bluetards can vote blue without having to worry about actual consequnces.It’s like when someone online says “I’d fight the school shooter” online or some shit. All tough talk until you chicken out after realizing “oh shit I could ACTUALLY die and not pretend to die” or get your head blown off.Plus Red wins in both scenarios anyways.
>>534316058I already explained the figure of speech, go read it again.
>>534316701Fighting the school shooter is actually a really solid analogy. I bet if someone made a poll about stopping a school shooter the majority would vote how they'd heroically step in, while irl almost nobody would kek.
>>534311541>The real test is being aware that some naive souls/dimwits will obligatory vote blue therefore pushing red is condemning them to death.See, as >>534306652 has explained so far, the "moral" aspect of it is tangential to the original question. If we're talking about hypotheticals tho, anything can happen: What if most children subjected to this situation press red? Including your relatives? What if there are people deliberately wanting to die and use the blue button for that purpose? See, the "ethical" discussion around this question is about the intention behind the decider, but the question as such, as provided originally, the correct answer still, is Red, because is when someone presses blue that it lift off the seal and introduce the possibility of death in the situation: Is not a dilemma, if not a puzzle trick question worded as one, where the blue button is the trap. The moral discussion around this experiment is imaginary and inherently subjective.
>>534316306>if people vote blue they are not doing it out of genuine interest in saving lives or coming to their own logical conclusions it's just virtue signalling>if I vote red it's because I'm a genius redditor who came to the most logical choice, and totally not a terrified bitch afraid of putting my life on the line for others. Why yes that is my children dying in a blazing inferno behind me, why would I go and save them?I can poison the well too you faggot
>Voting is in 1 big queue where no one knows what you voted for>First person goes up to vote>They vote Red since no one could possibly be in Blue yet>Second person goes up to vote>They are logical and think about how first person also voted Red, so they vote Red too>Third person>Same thingVoting Blue requires you to assume the average person is a retard and didn’t think over their own votes.
>>534316840>esl momentOk saar
>>534317365Interesting let’s see what button Reddit says they’d push. Oh it’s blue? I guess that makes you the faggot then
>>534306653Lol. When your people were discovered by the British, you still put kids down in from of rolling stone carriages in a belief that they would be reincarnated as a slightly higher caste.
>>534317874(they still do that by the way)
>>534317127Also in this analogy the only people getting shot by the school shooter are ones who are running into his line of fire. He’s actually just sitting in the gym shooting into the ground and the blue buttoners are lining up to put their head right against the barrel of the gun. But for whatever reason they’ve decided they won’t go through with it if they get >50% of people in line with them
>>534316701People give the answers they want to give online to show what they want people to think. That’s the whole point of the exercise. It’s like the bear vs man in the woods. If it really happened in real life then pretty much nobody would sooner approach a bear than a man, but the question wasn’t designed to uncover the obvious.
>>534317782I know no language but English. Keep lying to yourself. I would ask you what you would call it instead of a figure of speech, as it is a certain manner of speaking, more literal than playful as most figures of speech are, but you won't even acknowledge that it was intentional. You are incredibly dumb and canadian.
>>534317365Would you vote Blue irl, and not just online or with fake polls?Or better yet, if there was an active shooter in a store you are in, would you go through the emergency exit, or try fighting the shooter because hypotheically other people also decided to fight the shooter too?Blue is all tough talk behind a screen.
>>534318188Just change the question to say “if you press the blue button you must also say the N word” and the vote will shift to 100% red which is the optimal solution. Once blue pushers can’t signal virtue they lose all motivation and will make the obvious preferable choice
>>534318471It's not tough talk, it's virtue signaling. Tough talk comes from a masculine foundation but virtue signaling is a distinctly feminine phenomenon.
>>534318560>if you press the blue button you must also say the N word
>>534312435Switch the colors and you have the modern democrat manifesto
>>534304926Sneed
>>534306472blue pushers selfishly endanger themselves and expect the rest of us to come save them from their own stupidity
>>534312911This is the only coherent argument I could see made for the blue button: "I will save you even if you want to die, and I will risk myself to do it to show you that I care"
>>534304574The argument of the blue pushers is that they are retarded, and you have a moral obligation to kill yourself in order to rescue them from the consequences of their own stupidity, and if EVERYONE is willing to commit to their suicidal idiocy, then nobody will die, so they're the good guys.
either we have innocent until proven guilty or we have demonic murder questions like thisimagine thinking the white man would ever let this be put to a vote, cant you see our entire history is trying to hold your hand and show you how to be an advanced civilization like us?this question is roast mentality and brown mentality, manifest>what button do i push if i dont want to play this dumb ass game?>no, you HAVE to play, because you just HAVE to. but if you insist on the apathetic choice, that would be red>*presses red*
>>534317422But the average person IS a retard and didn't think about it!And I press red because the world is better off without such people.
>>534319887Do they mean that or is that just virtue signaling? There are people that will absolutely be ready to die to save others, but how many of the bluefags are actually like that?
>>5343045742 things you changed in your version. 1 the voting is global and the outcome can have global ramifications. 2 you don't know what everyone else voted. You have to work with little to no data, at best you have to work with your own assumptions about the world.I see this sort of thing far too much in these threads. A lot of people straight up ignore the scale and condense it down to just themselves. Press whatever button you want, but don't pretend your watered down thinking is some 300 iq tier because you heard of the prisoners dillema 20 years ago when bored in middle school. >but if I press red nothing happensbut something does happen. yes, nothing happens to you personally right now. However you tip the scales against blue making it ever so slightly harder to win. a potential 51% vs 49% red win culls half the world population, but yeah nothing happens when you press red.>inb4 bluefag, suicide pact, libtardI don't give a fuck about what you press, I just got tired of seeing anons in here picking a color with half a train of thought and trying to pass it off as some megamind choice while ignoring key aspects of this hypothetical. your intuition isn't cold hard logic when you don't take into account all the factors, so don't pass it off as that. It's like all the open border shit, half a fucking thought and best wishes. Politicians and businessmen import third worlders by the millions thinking that every warm body is a resource for the factories and the low paying jobs because it worked for Germany 60 years ago, failing to take into account who they import nowadays and why.
>>534320443Well, how many self-labeled 'socialists' ever volunteer or donate their own wealth to help the poor? They vehemently claim they will, but how many actually do? Same answer.
>>534304574I'm not from a subcontinent, so I'll push the red button.
>>534304574How do I kill all of the people?
>>534320459>a potential 51% vs 49% red win culls half the world population,rip bozo in that case.not my problem.
>>534320655Secretly plant a bomb when Mr. Beast does this challenge IRL, going off when either result comes in.
>>534304574Did you say Traintracks? Exactly India is a world made only by and for Blue bottom pusher. Horrifying in every possible way.
>>534306116Op didn't include the verbage for the vote put reds says everone that doesnt vote red dies so that includes potentially the vast majority of people who didnt vote at all
>>534320655Offer everyone a choice of two pills. The red pill is a placebo that does nothing. The blue pill is a deadly poison. If more than 50% of people take the DEADLY POISON THAT KILLS YOU, then you will give them all an antidote that cures the poison.Then they take the poison, and when they come to get the antidote you laugh and tell them that there isn't one, and their suicidal empathy has killed them. That doesn't kill all the people, but it gets you more than halfway there.
>Red pushers on the brink of suicide knowing that they're responsible for the death of their 1yo son, who pushed blue because it's a baby that doesn't understand the stakes and pushed the button at random.
After looking at the responses I think even if the blue button won, they wouldn’t leave it there. The personality traits of the blue button pushers demand retribution from the red button pushers.There would almost certainly be death squads going around searching for the people who pressed red.It doesn’t matter what button you choose because even if blue wins, they will do the job red didn’t.
>>534321116Lmao, all those young children and toddlers that pushed blue are sooooooooo owned XD
>Apartment building is on fire>Everyone has safely evacuated>You can choose to stay outside and normt risk getting burned to death or crushed by falling debris>OR you can choose to go inside because you want to save someone else hypothically also went inside to save someone else who hypothetically save some else to…So why would I choose the latter option?
>>534321319i would not let them push blue in the first place
>>534321319>Bluefags have to compare themselves to tolders to justify pushing their buttonlol lmao
>>534321416children dont get to vote in real life for good reasons
>>534304574gay thread mine is better>>534320023
>>534321453>>534321500The rules of the scenario literally states that every soul is teleported to a room with the red and blue button, and the rules of the game are then told to the person. If the person can't understand the rules (because they're too young to comprehend it) it doesn't matter, and they have to pick a button.
>>534320870It could be even less ie 1% vote red, .9% vote blue, and 98.1% didnt vote at all and then 99% of the world is an heroed
>>534321473Blue voters pick blue to protect their loved ones that they know 100% picked blue because they're too young to understand the game.
>>534321581>buh muh muh muhthe whole scenario is retarded.
>>534321691my family members arent dumb like yours tho
>>534321116>suicidal empathyLiteral buzzword, the opposite of the word; 'suicidal spite' has much more prominence and has caused much more harm to the world.
>>534321826self destructive empathy is indeed a mental illness
>>534321826If there is a fire, I better see you run inside to save people then.At least in that scenario, those people were likely trapped and didn’t intentionally run to a burning building to save hypothetical people.
>>534304574You're supposed to assume that everyone is already on the track. And that some people, like children and the mentally impaired, won't be capable of knowing what the buttons means. It's a trick. You're supposed to get that Ds are moral and think of the infirm and the young. And Rs are selfish cunts who believe everyone has the same capacity of understanding what the buttons mean. It's disingenuous, because the question says 'everyone has to cast a vote', and suggests that everyone will be capable to.
>>534304574>create an allegory for democrats (blue) being good for everyone vs republicans (red) being bad and getting people killed>republicans fall for it
>>534321581>If the person can't understand the rules (because they're too young to comprehend it) it doesn't matter, and they have to pick a button.That wasn't stated in the question.
>>534304574NNNOOOOOOO YOU HAVE TO PROTECT THE RETARDS WHO MADE AN OBJECTIVELY BAD DECISION DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND YOU FUCKING CHUUUUUUUUDDDDDGET ON THE FUCKING TRACK HITLER
>>534322052A more accurate scenario is that everyone is ALREADY in the building that's already on fire, you try to assist the weak ones (old, handicapped, and those petrified with fear) out of the building, as well as letting them have the right of way if you happen to not have a person to escort.No one has ever ever ever ever urged randoms watching a building on fire to run back in to save people. Just more strawmanning by the reds as usual.
>>534322283The allegory involves Blue (democrats) intentionally putting themselves in danger to potentially save hypothetical people who also decided to put themselves in danger.
>>534322475>>534321879>Average red can't comprehend the 100% undeniable certainty that they have loved ones that picked blue and think that only idiots pick blue.
Blue pushers are hypocrites. This is a decision you see IRL every day, imagine if a million people would peacefully walk to Gaza or similar places where there is injustice, no military would be able to do anything to stop you. Like the famous take Area 51 meme, IRL it would have worked if hundreds of thousands walk hand in hand no one could stop them. But this doesn't happen because no one wants to risk being shot, no one is retarded enough to press that blue button. Everyone presses red every day but then go to tweeter and say #freepalestine or whatever. Saying you would press blue but not daring to risk your life IRL to really make a change in the world is just plain hypocrisy.
>>534322283>revolver on the table>do you want to pick it up, put it to your head, and pull the trigger?>if enough people do, then it won't go off!>what, you don't want to? don't you know that everyone who picks the gun up, puts it to their head, and pulls the trigger, could die if you don't too?Universal suffrage destroyed western civilization
>>534322501>you try to assist the weak ones (old, handicapped, and those petrified with fear) out of the building, as well as letting them have the right of way if you happen to not have a person to escort.>Bluetards have to completely change the scenario where some people are forced to press Blue since otherwise pressing Blue is retarded
>>534322229>youre supposed to make shit upkill yourself and stop trying to rope us into it
>>534318302Sure thing poojeetKeep moving toward the track or whatever The original critic was being pedantic, but he is rightNobody says 'toward the track' as a figure of speech
>>534322609>bluetard doesnt realize not everyone is retarded like him or his retard family
>>534312435>>534306472Anything? no. Something with literally 0 gain or reason? of course.
>>534322946I'm gonna say it again.You 100% have family members, that you love and care for, that will pick blue. I know that because you have a cousin that's too young to understand the rules of the game.It's 100% certainty that these loved ones will die, therefore you have to pick blue to save them.
>>534323048I actually dont. You just have to make shit up because youre a sucicidal retard.
>>534321581>the rules are, (stuff I made up in my head, now I will get very mad at the people with reading comprehension)Typical bluetard
>>534304926Focusing on irrelevant shit like that just proves you have no argument.
>>534304574Everyone is forced to push the button - one choice will certainly kill people, one choice will not kill anyone if enough people select it. Surely nobody is going to pick the murder-button.The people that pick red are a WAY bigger problem than anybody realizes. Forget worrying about racism and religion, ID'ing these red-pushers and eliminating these social saboteurs is the number one priority if we are to make any progress.
>>534323090?????????????
>>534322842I didn't make the meme. Merely explaining the trick in it.
>>534323048>You 100% have family members, that you love and care for, that will pick blue.No I don’t. All you are doing is projecting yourself onto others because you think you’re the main character of reality.
>>534323188In this case, I’m still pressing Red. Fuck them little shits.
>>534323188That's not stated on the meme question.
Blue button pushers on suicide watch
>>534323188>twitter poll = everyoneLOLThis guy didn't invent the question, he is just adding shit to /pol/'s OG question to make blue actually have stakes.
>>534323086>>534323232
>>534323354He did invent the question, retard.It's his game, he makes the rules.
>>534304574I literally don't understand the question. Everybody is already off the track so nobody has to push any buttons.
>>534323188>bluetard realizes his answer to his own question is stupid and also has revealed that most people are stupid>uhh well actually it now also includes toddlers and fish
>>534323309It's part of the rules by the twitter user that started this discussion.
>>534323414>On April 20th, 2023, Redditor Deadshot37 posted the earliest known example of the red vs. blue button question on the /r/polls[2] subreddit, with the post asking:>In front of you appears red and blue button. If more than 50% of the people presses the red button, everybody who pressed the blue button dies. If more than 50% of the people presses the blue button, nobody dies. What button will you press?Suicidal blue nigger caught lying
>>534322721that is your own interpretation of it though. some people press blue hoping to save the ones they love, not every blue presser in general. I press blue under normal circumstances, however, if God tells me that only indians press blue and nobody else then I press red with my erect cock and watch them poof away into curry dust.
>>534323444And that's why blue button pushers are retarded.
>>534311693Lateral thinking is a sign of intelligence and creativity. If your thought experiment is vague and shitty, AND you don't want questions generated about it, then maybe don't pose the thought experiment. You're asking for a thought experiment but not all our thoughts.
There is a very simple and valid reason to always press red: kikes will all press red guaranteed. Therefore, pressing blue is the same as pressing the "give kikes a free win" button and thus anyone with a brain will pick red.
>>534304574>it broke /pol/s little tiny calcified amygdala that their nihilism is vastly outnumbered by the altruism that actually allowed humankind to survive this faryou just love to see it
The real question should be>Push red and everyone who pushed blue dies>Push blue and if 50% of people pushed blue then nobody dies but you can only refer to black people as niggers no matter what for the rest of your life
>>534304574I would push the red button and if blue gets over 50% then I will say i pressed blue. Its a confidential vote, they can't prove me wrong.
>>534323509Maybe if you read the next few paragraphs, you'll see the person I was referring to.The person that's the reason we're talking right now.
>>534323364its sad all my family members are smart and yours arent? nice goalpost shifting bluetard
>>534323745>people in environments where virtue signaling is highly valued will choose "altruistic" option to a hypothetical problem with 0 real world stakes>this reflects what would happen in a scenario with real stakes How naive can you be? Just a reminder that Redditors and Twittards aren't even 1/10th of humanity, meanwhile China, India and Africa are close to 50% and are all picking red.
>>534304574which button is the "nuke Israel" button?
>>534323983I find it a very low IQ to assume that you have a super duper smart family, and know 100% of what button they'll vote for.You said you don't have any cousins that are too young to understand the rules and push a button randomly, but you didn't consider that you have a 2nd cousin that has a 3rd cousin that's too young to vote blue, which makes them vote blue to protect them.
>>534323653Coming up with some bullshit might prove that you can think outside of the box, but it’s missing the point. It’s like saying to the Ship of Theseus scenario “Yeah well if you say it’s the same ship then I take a marker and cross out Theseus and now it’s HMS Faglord so haha it’s a different ship”
>>534323745>>534324078
>>534323597>Nothing happens**if literally 100% of the population with no exception presses red, yes all 8 billion people on earthred wins, people die, now the question becomes how many. maybe 1 out 8b maybe 1000 maybe more. but some do, so don't say nothing happens. every red that says "If 100% of people press red then nobody dies" are so fucking weird to me. you know damn well you cant convince 1000 people all to do the same thing not 8b. so if your reasoning for red is to prevent loss of life that is beyond retarded. in that case red has 0% margin for error, no deviation. blue has 49% margin. Your argument then becomes acceptable casualties, not prevention of deaths. Say that then you fucks, don't be disingenuous.
>>534311619The case for either side is just the strawman of the other side.>Why pick red?Because picking blue is putting a gun to your head and people that do that voluntarily are stupid and naive. Unchecked empathy gets people killed>Why pick blue?Because red hates anyone not like them and will kill them for what they picked. They are selfish and uncaring for their fellow manThe discourse on this question shouldn't be which button and why. It should be>Is this an accurate proxy of our current society and thought processes? Based on the results, can it be assumed that the logic from each perspective is not compatible with the other?>Is there an ulterior motive for pushing this otherwise unassuming question and subsequent argument?>Why does one type of human construct manifest more quickly than another in varied populations?(empathy vs logic)>Why is the baseline assumption that there are only two possible choices? >Is this thought experiment evidence against democracy as a concept? Does it prove its faults?>>534311691This guy has it right. >>534311693>REEEEEE, YOU HAVE TO PICK ONE OF THE TWO GOYYY. ITS THE ONLY WAYYY.
>>534304574blues when they lose:>well at least our souls will rest in peace knowing we tried our best to save humanity and lived by the golden rule to the end. praise be to Jesus. Amenreds when they lose:>NOOOOO WE FAILED TO GENOCIDE 49% OF HUMANITY. IT'S NOT ENOUGH THAT I LIVE, BILLIONS MUST DIE. CURSE JESUS. CURSE THE GOYIM OUTNUMBERING US TALMUDIC MINORITY
>>534324285If some people want to die, who am I to stop them? The question isn't specific. Can't blame people for assuming that everyone will be able to know what the buttons mean.
>>534324330>reds when they loseThat's the point, if you press the red button you don't lose no matter what.
>>534324261you are definitely low IQ. which is why youre related to a bunch of retards. i am not. sorry for party rocking dumb nigger
>>534324285
>>534323745>You’re a nihilist if you don’t run into a burning building to save people who also went to save who went to save people who…Nah, fuck off. Your online polls mean jack shit in reality with actual consequences.
>>534324387>you don't lose no matter what.You'll live in a world with dead family members and millions of dead children too.Dead friends, dead loved ones, dead youth; vast populations dead.
>>534323465It's not written as a rule in the meme going around. People aren't going through the feed comments to find out the rules.
>>534324078>citation neededwhat actually breaks /pol/s widdle brain is that Bues will hunt every Red pusher to extinction, because we don't like skinwalkers among usand there's no way Reds can escape, because there are more Blues. Reds thought they could get rid of the Blues with one simple trick, and not only did it fail hard, but it unmasked them..
>>534306472If everyone pressed the red button then everybody would live, blue niggers are too retarded to understand the logic. Would you press blue if it meant you would potentially lose money instead of your life?Checkmate blue nigger
>>534324515Not a single friend or family member of mine will die, stop projecting the stuff that will happen to you unto me. Two possibilities if I press the red button. Either nothing happens or a bunch of retards die. Win-win either way.
>>534324570>Bues will hunt every Red pusher to extinctionYou won't do shit because the original question said the button presses are anonymous and no one knows who pressed what.
>>534304574uh, why would anyone do anything other than press the red button? it guarantees safety for yourself, to press blue is to willingly put yourself on the tracks for no purpose. am i missing something? is the idea that some retards will pick blue and so you should pick blue to be most moral or something?
>>534324383my point isn't to stop them, my point is that a lot of people say I want A to happen so I will do B. B also sabotages A. But I still want A to happen.>If 100% of people press red then nothing happensa phrase I have seen written in threads too many times these past few days. makes no fucking sense at all.
>>534324542>It's not written as a rule in the meme going around.What does *****EVERYONE****** means when the rules says that everyone must vote then?
>>534324570>I vote blue to save people dumb enough to vote blue too!>What?! You voted red because you don’t mindlessly want to kill yourself? WELL I’LL FUCKING KILL YOU THEN!!!Thanks for justifying my vote as Red. Not only to save myself, but to also let Blue psychos like you kill themselves and hurting others.
>>534324728see >>534324435
>>534324728>is the idea that some retards will pick blue and so you should pick blue to be most moral or something?Yes that's what they're going for. You need to put yourself in mortal danger in case some retards misunderstood the question and pressed blue so you can (potentially) save them.
>>534323160assmad jewish OP had to make three VPN-samefag responses to this because he didn't think of his flawed retard question. just say you're butthurt nobody wants to press the blue button next time.
>>534321691>Blue voters pick blue to protect their loved ones that they know 100% picked blueBut my family picked red because red is the best colour.>NOOOO BUT BLUE IS BETTER BECAUSE OF THE SKY N SHEEEEEEEIIIIIIIIIIIIIITGet fucked blue jue.
Red mentality. Anything else is "suicidal empathy"
>>534324796that's crazy, it's insane there's even a debate to be had, are people forgetting the principle of leading a horse to water?
>>534311720a random selection of my country's people will be indians and we all know how much they love standing in the way of trains
Blue is the selfish answer.If everyone picks Red, everyone survives. It’s that simple.As soon as someone picks Blue, that’s when people die. Pressing Blue is the only way for anyone to die.
>>534311693>tell me your thoughts>nooooo not like that you can only think within the framework I providemaybe ask smarter questions
>>534323745>the altruism that actually allowed humankind to survive this farthis post is the epitome of midwitism. it is our intelligence and skepticism that has gotten us this far more than anything else. altruism will be seen as a mind poison by the civilizations that whites leave behind after we have been thoroughly betrayed by it
>>534324918Replace the people stabbing another person with bluetards stabbing themselves and blaming redchads for not stabbing themselves.
>>534324746That everyone will be able to and capable of making that vote. why would you force to vote, people who aren't capable of understanding questions?
>>534304574im indifferent to life so if the button pushing was done in a line like this and if i was first, id push blue to make the people behind me have to start freaking themselves out into pushing the blue "to save me" or some shit lmao
>>534325015>Random toddler sent to the voting booth picks blue because blue pretty>Another toddler picks red>This repeats for the millions of babies that exist>Approx. 50% of babies will die because of this
do we all pick our choices at the same time or can we choose after seeing what others have chosen?and are we able to talk/see each other?
>>534325015if everyone picks blue, everyone survives.It's that simple and you're retarded because you fail to see that
>>534324261>but you didn't consider that you have a 2nd cousin that has a 3rd cousin that's too young to vote blueNow hold the fuck up you absolute faggot, you said I need to do it to protect my loved ones.Now you're dragging out far distant relatives and calling them my loved ones who I need to protect.Why should I risk my life for someone I've never met?And I'm sure you're gonna call that selfish, but I look after my immediate family and my nieces and nephews. I don't give a shit about some kid starving to death in Africa when my niece needs money for her kids to get school uniforms.I will happily let that kid starve and help my niece feed and clothe her own children.I care about me and mine, and I don't give a shit about you and yours. And that's why my people are colonizing your people. Because we care about each other and not about showing off how virtuous we are. Get fucked loser.Go extinct.We'll write "Really Nice Guy" on your collective grave-marker, trust me.
>>534325099youre suicidal, not indifferent
>>534325213if everyone picks red everyone survives and is capable of taking care of themselves as well
>>534324613It's much more retarded to confidently assume that every single friend and family member will pick red because they're gigachads that only care about themselves.
>>534324745>>If 100% of people press red then nothing happensI understand that as, everyone who wants to live will get to live. The nothing happens means that no one who voted to stay alive, ended up dead. If you wanted to not live, then you'd push blue.
>>534325095Bluetards have to add toddlers to justify their answer, even though adding kids ruins the scenario.It effectively changes the Scenario from “Everyone that voted Blue” to “Everyone that voted Blue AND random number of children for some reason” since minors wouldn’t be able to understand the scenario and would press a random color.Ironically, this just means the “virtuous” blue pusherd are all effectively taking kids as hostages to justify their suicidal tendencies.
>>534325220The point is that if you don't have a family member that's too young to pick a button at random, therefore you should vote red because there's no guilt in dead family members!But you didn't consider a distant relative that needs protecting, but is a close one relative to that specific cousin, which makes them vote blue to protect them.Now you have a close family member that's at risk of dying because of your red vote.This is really easy to understand.
>>534325274Maybe your family and friends are retards, that's your problem to deal with. Mine aren't so again stop projecting the stuff that will happen to you unto me.
>>534325383>even though adding kids ruins the scenario.Everyone means EVERYONE, dumbass.
>>534324435and that's a good thing.
>>534325458You do get that this entire question is supposed to be about your burger politics that blue (democrats) = good and red (republicans, bad orange man) = bad, right? Therefore adding children is retarded because they don't get to vote in elections.It's not an actual thought experiment, it's burger liberals crying about your orange man.
>>534325398Well I'm sorry but like a child with a peanut allergy you shouldn't get too attached to a retard.>but what about kids!I naturally assumed that it was everyone of voting age and if it's not then I hypothetically have a green button that makes the person who created the hypothetical get torn apart by children like that old bitch in Weapons.Still voting red though.End of the day the pathological virtue signalling gene needs to be fucking exterminated.I've said it before and I'll say it again.Picking Blue is like tripping over a public bench and getting stabbed to death by a man who you protected from people saying he shouldn't be able to stab people.You think the only people picking red are picking it out of selfishness.I'm picking it because if you can't come to the immediate logical conclusion you deserve to be endangered by your stupidity.I'm not gonna cry because you decided on the day we voted to remove safety warnings off substations that this is the day you're gonna steal some copper.
>>534325213Say you pick blue and are the first person to pick blue.Well now you just put yourself in danger for no good reason. Now other people have to vote blue if they want to save your ass since you are only 1 person. Blue means you’re dragging others into a scenario that would endanger themselves just because you want to impress people.
>>534325554Everyone means...Everyone."Everyone" is also a synonym for "everyone".
>>534325458And voting means that all the voters will be capable of understanding the question, and match the button color to their vote. If you're putting a baby on a booth to randomly pick a button, then how can you call that voting?Definition of vote, >a formal expression of opinion or choice made by an individual or body of individuals, especially in an election.How can a baby and other retards, make a 'formal expression of choice'?
>>534325666>virtue signalling gene needs to be fucking exterminated
>>534323188>Oh no people are choosing red.>Better move the goalposts.
>>534325699Everyone means everyone.It's not that hard to comprehend.
>>534325736Everyone means everyone.
>>534325676It says everyone, then calls it a vote. Since you called it a vote, then the assumption is that all the people will be capable of making a conscious choice.
>>534325676>everyoneCan literally mean just the people present>vote>a usually formal expression of opinion or will in response to a proposed decisionCan children formal expression of opinion? Answer carefully bluepedo.
>>534325375>The nothing happens means that no one who voted to stay alive, ended up dead. That's not what nothing means. You added your reasoning behind it to try and justify the phrase. It's the same when a director leaves huge plot holes in a movie and people rush to defend the bad job by writing fiction in their heads. And I am not trying to argue semantics mind you, I am just trying to illustrate that a lot of people leave shit out to try and justify their lack of thought on the matter.>Nothing happens to ME, so nothing happens ever at all
>>534325715There's a difference between doing nice things and demanding everyone pay extra taxes to fund the importation of rapists.Like I said faggot, I help my family.The average virtue signaller betrays their family to show how nice they are for saying Nobody Is Illegal.Blue button pushers love this hypothetical because at the end of the day it's a hypothetical.Nothing needs to be done, no real action is required. No real risk is being placed on them.If this was real, if this was actually a thing that endangered you, we'd see a lot more red presses than we do now. Because the average person saying they'd pick blue is your All Talk No Trousers slacktivist.They're the Twitter Communists who say that in the commune they'd be poets and therapists while simply expecting their stipend of food.
>>534325855>formal>make a formal
>>534325797Everyone HAS to vote"has to vote."Everyone that has to vote means that everyone has to vote.>>534325855Everyone in the WORLD.Everyone in the world means that EVERYONE IN THE WORLDWhy do so many reds can't fucking read????
>>534325741And it's a hypothetical question. You're using both words, everyone and voteA vote is a formal expression. If the voter isn't able to formally express their opinion, then you can't call it a vote. Are babies allowed to vote in political elections?No. Because they can't understand the question. They can't engage in voting. So the question needs to include the rule that some people won't be ackshually voting, but pressing a button at random. Because the word 'vote', implies that the person can understand the question, and express their choice.
>>534325925I don't see "in the world" >>534323509Can children formal expression of opinion? Answer carefully bluepedo.
>>534325458A new born or a severely disabled person isn't even going to be able to push the button. Therefore you will never get everyone to push the button and complete the experiment.The experiment remains suspended in limbo for all eternity, never reaching completion. thus everyone lives.So pick whichever button you like.
>>534325925And a vote means formally expressing a choice. Can a baby or a retard formally express a choice? Can they understand the question?If not, then you can NOT call it a vote.
>>534325458Everyone doesn’t mean every single human. You can refer to all your co-workers as “everyone” when you are talking about all your co-workers and that’d exclude most of humanity. When people say “everyone” in this scenario, they mean everyone who votes, which can actually be any number of people.The only reason why you’d add toddlers and little kids to this scenario is to add a factor and to guilt trip people that choose Red because of it.The hypothetical only makes sense when everyone is making a conscious decision to pick red or blue. Adding kids completely changes the scenario since they’ll vote randomly, instead of making a conscious decision.
>>534319887>This is the only coherent argument I could see made for the blue button: "I will save you even if you want to die, and I will risk myself to do it to show you that I care"Ah, yes, I remember how much they wanted to save people during covid.
>>534323972>Maybe if you read the next few paragraphs, you'll see the person I was referring to.>The person that's the reason we're talking right now.OHHHHH"The original hypothetical didn't have my additional qualifiers that make me look moral instead of stupid so you have to use my updated hypothetical that slaughters toddlers"Still pressing red. You want to add the toddlers to this then you can live knowing I killed them to spite you.Should have just accepted being called a retard, now there's millions of dead kids because you needed to include them as a human shield.
>>534325984here it is. Picrel>But that's not le original!Here's a copypaste that the anon didn't post because he was cherrypicking.>"The question and poll posed by X / Twitter user Tim Urban rapidly received viral engagement in late April 2026 as it spread online, prompting numerous users to share their thoughts or post memes referencing it."That's what we're doing right now. We are playing by the rules that this person made, not the original.
>>534323188Would they tell their toddlers to push the suicide button?
>>534326135See >>534326158
>>534326158See >>534323509
>>534326185Private vote, meaning there there's no parent to guide them to vote red.
>>534326190Hey nigger.>"The original hypothetical didn't have my additional qualifiers that make me look moral instead of stupid so you have to use my updated hypothetical that slaughters toddlers"'>NO BUT THE UPDATED HYPOTHETICAL IS THE ONE WE'RE USINGThe one updated to include human shields.Get fucked.Like I said, I'll shoot through your human shield to spite you.You surround yourself with children to protect yourself from your retarded mistakes. You need to be exterminated and no amount of Kiddy Kevlar will save you.
>>534324570>you have to puck the "selfless and altruistic" option or else if the "selfless and altruistic" people win we'll hunt you down and murder you
>>534326301Yeah, cool. Then what button would the parents HOPE their babies pressed?
>>534326309Said people also claim voting Red effectively kills them if Red gets the majority. So they effectively are telling us that if we don’t want Blue to kill us, we should vote for Red even harder.
>>534326304Yeah, we're using the viral twitter post that has caused massive discussion outside of Twitter, rather than the literal nothing leddit post with 120 updoots.
>>534326409>If you had the ability to, which button would you tell your child to press, the red or the blue?They really should present the question like that. All of the would say red.
>>534326409They'd hope it's red, because they don't want their dear child to be at risk of dying. In a perfect world, everyone would pick red, but we don't live in a perfect world. That's the thing that reds need to understand.
>>534326409That’s also another thing.What do you do when your kid votes Red and you voted Blue to save them? Then Blue ends up losing too? Now your toddler is gonna starve to death because you decided to vote Blue to “save them”.
>>534326301If you go into a USA located voting booth, and all the ballots, and signs are in japanese. All the people at the booth also speak only japanese. you get a ballot, with incomprehensible letters. No cues as to what any of it means. You must pick one. Can you call that voting?
>>534304574Probably lots of women among the blue button pushers (retards).
>>534326564Yes, everyone that doesn't know Japanese is at the mercy of the japanese speakers.For the Japanese, they're the "adults" and we're the dumb toddlers that can't understand the rules of the game.Hopefully the meme about le "suicidal empathy is bad!" hasn't reached the brains of Japanese people, else we're all gonna die.
>>534325871It is. If everyone can understand the question, then nothing will happen. Those who want to live, live. And those who want to die, vote blue and expect for no one else to give a sympathy blue vote to keep them from suicide. Nothing means. No one will be negatively affected. Everyone will have their wishes respected. Red if you want to live. Blue if you want to die.
>>534304574This question takes away the concept that it will be an INVISIBLE VOTE.Seeing people get on the train tracks will turn on social dynamics.
>>534326740You're a stubborn retard. If you call something a vote, then people will see it as 'people going to a booth to pick a choice, of a question they understand.' If it's not the above, then you shouldn't be calling it a vote. words have meaning, stubborn man.
>>534325925>People in comas are wheeled in on beds to pick buttons>People with no ability to move or react to the environment are pushed in on wheelchairs.>Babies are dumped on the floor to push buttons but just lie there.EVERYONE MUST VOTE.... but they can't.The problem is solved. We can't complete it. We saved everyone through the power of pedantry.
>>534326559>>534326559>Now your toddler is gonna starve to death because you decided to vote Blue to “save them”.Of course the reds won't take care of them after their parents die.Guess it was considered "suicidal empathy" to feed it, in the world full of reds.
>>534326991>People in comas are wheeled in on beds to pick buttons>People with no ability to move or react to the environment are pushed in on wheelchairs.>Babies are dumped on the floor to push buttons but just lie there.Yes.
>>534327197How does someone that is paralyzed going to push a button?
>>534326906>ACKSHUALLY, this version makes people MORE likely to press blue>therefore it is a bad example for why you shouldn’t press blueUuuuh….
>>534327197Problem solved. Everyone lives.
>>534304574AI slop is failing the Microsoft Paint test
>>534327244It's a really cruel scenario in general.Maybe they'll just die in the pocket dimension voting booth.Maybe the walls slowly closes in so the buttons will press into their bodies and teleports them out.Maybe you can vote just by looking at a button long enough.Who fucking knows, fully paralyzed people are way too small of a demographic to focus on.
>>534327403Still, it took me almost 10,000 hours to make this, and he probably spent a minute.People need to stop complaining about ai, especially when it comes to conveying information visually.
>>534327494That's weird, you've posted "EVERYONE!!!" about 30 times in this thread, but suddenly this demographic is too small so they don't get included in the "everyone".
>>534327494Then stop calling it a vote, you mentally impaired faggot.
>>534327550I've already gave you three examples of what might happen to them while they're trapped motionless inside the voting booth, because they're part of the 'everyone'.
>>534327494What? None of this was mentioned in the twat post. You can't press a button by looking at it.It says right here >>534326301 you have the press the buttons, not just look at them.And everyone HAS to vote or a condition has not been met and the outcome indetermined.Thems the rules!
>>534327026How are people supposed to know if you picked blue and your baby picked red? Voting is anonymous. And such a scenario wouldn’t happen if you also voted red.And really the scenario shouldn’t even be happening to begin with. Babies can’t vote and it completely changes the dilemma as now you just effectively add a random number of babies get killed if blue loses.
>>534327631It said that everyone has to press the button. If 1 paralyzed person can't do it the entire test is nullified and fails, everyone lives. We name a few dog parks after the paralyzed person and give him a noble peace prize.
