Donbas and other regions should have been allowed to hold their own referendums and join Russia peacefully if they wanted to. Their history and culture identifies with Russia more anyways. It was wrong of Ukraine to abuse these regions and force them to remain part of Ukraine even when they didn't want to.
year 5 of special operation
>>534311363Indeed.>inb4 NAFO video spam
>>534311167Yes, they are forsefully annexing regions into Russia.And dont tell me the shit about those "referendums" which were made right after russia just annexed them during wartime, and show results where 99% peoples voted to join and 98% of people go to vote - tha's obvious fake voting.
>>534311167kys zigger
>>534311752You are not that bad of a guy Ivan, nor are you a saint either. But I can see the frame the west us trying to paint Russia as. Putin probably needs to go though.
>>534311167>putin gets 90% of the vote in elections>russian held elections are totally trustworthy, nothing suspicious going onIt's truly astounding how idiotic people shilling for russia are
>>534311809>99% peoples voted to join and 98% of people go to vote - tha's obvious fake voting.You treated those regions with extremely hostility and neglect for wanting a referendum before the war ever started.
>russian flags = seeing vatniggers>mutt flags = tankies/brown
>>534311809Hohol, pls. Nobody want to live in a failed state like Ukraine, not even hohols themselves.>>534311847>Putin probably needs to go though.Yeah, he's too soft and still can't commit to go full Israel/USA.
>>534311943>You treated those regions with extremely hostility and neglect for wanting a referendum before the war ever started.Source?
>>534311167No. Its ukraines land and the ruskies can go live in russia if they want to. When mudslimes in europe start to say they want their own land and sharia law because they are the majority should they be bombed to hell or should europeans just cuck out and give them "their" own land?
>>534311943>extreme hostilityIs this what you normalfaggots call literal open warfare nowadays? Because they were shelling and butchering their fellow countrymen for many many many years before Russia finally intervened.
>>534312092you butchered Turks in Cyprus and then Turkiye finally intervened
>>534311943None of them asking referendums to join Russia before the Russia invade there. Go fuck yourself pidor.
>>534311167Zelensky was elected promising to abide by the Minsk Accords, give Donetsk and Lugansk the semi-autonomous status that everyone negotiated and agreed to, and to stop the attacks against them.
>>534311167>color revolutionsread about them you op retard
>>534311167I agree. Chechnya and other regions in Russia that might want independence should also be allowed to hold referendums as their ethnicities, culture, history and identities are not compatible with Russia. Tuva, Yakutia, and others aren't ethnically Russian and might prefer being independent. After all its the will of the people that we all care about, right?
>>534312301>NOOOOOO, NOT LIKE THIS
>>534312092>>534312092ah yes russians really care about the lives of their own ethnicity hence why they just had to start a full scale war to maximize casualties of russian people in both countries loleither way this war is way past the point where online propaganda makes a difference
>>534311167Referendums are legitimate democracy, that's why we almost never have them. We're fooled into democratic representation, it has a similar name and that's enough to scam idiots into being ruled over
>>534312080You live on unceded Sami land. Give it back.
>>534311167Based
stop spamming
>>534312632>You live on unceded Sami land. Give it back.Why? they were retards who didnt fight invaders now they are whining bitches without their land.
>>534312755So you’re saying Muslims deserve Europe because Europeans won’t fight back, understood.
>>534311167Do you agree Chechnya should be allowed to leave the russia?
>they were retards who didnt fight invadersSays the fella who fled Ukraine and now seethes about Russia 24/7. lol. Keep posting buddy, you're the best propaganda the Russians could ever ask for.
>>534312043Literally everybody on earth wants to live in Ukraine.
>>534312839>Muslims deserve Europe because Europeans won’t fight back, understoodYes.
>>534312547Democracy is a bad thing stupid
>>534312155https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Donbas_status_referendumsThe Ukrainian government heavily neglected regions like Donbas letting infrastructure almost totally decay. There was also some nazi style shit where nationalist Ukrainians actively sought to abuse the neglected people im Donbas that began to become Russian separatists.
>>534312989Alright, your argument passes the logical consistency test. Enjoy!
>>534311167Ukraine is fucked now anyway.Europe is about 4 weeks from Mad Max mode if the Straits of Hormuz remain closed. So Putin is going to have a line a mile long for his hydrocarbons. Of course the price europe is going to have to pay... is giving up Ukraine.Insane European dependance on cheap gas meets geopolitical realism from Russia and Ukraine is caught in the middle.RIP.
>>534311167In 1939 Poland held referendum to join Germany too.
>>534313022No shit pidor.What did I said?>>534312155>None of them asking referendums to join Russia before the Russia invade thereThe source you just give says:>Referendums on the status of Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts, parts of Ukraine that together make up the Donbas region, were claimed to have taken place on 11 May 2014 in many towns under the control of the Russian-controlled Donetsk and Luhansk People's Republics.
>>534311167He been doing that war about 12 years.>>534311752This guy hypothetically wears some radiation suit.
The thing is, nobody in public; wears that sort of suit.
>>534311809Ukrainians are the most reliable workers here in the Algarve. They actually show up to appointments, actually do their work properly. They are a blessing. Please send more like these!
>>534311900Dope... now do Yugoslavia.
>>534312851Problem is they wont be leaving but would act as staging grounds for isis style terrorism like in the 90s and early 00s. Because you glowniggers cant leave russia be.
I heard Russians are voting to join the USA.
>>534312065Yea Ukrainians fought since 2014 for the right to kill Ukrainians. The 2 day anti terror operation going 12 year now. Also here you go the UN human right report. https://www.ohchr.org/sites/default/files/Documents/Countries/UA/OHCHRThematicReportUkraineJan2014-May2016_EN.pdf
>>534311167Sneed sells feed and seed, which is completely normal. Chuck, on the other hand, sells fuck and suck.
>>534315103Ok, so about the war in Donbass, what we have there:>OHCHR estimates that up to 2,000 civilians may have been killed during the armed conflict period, with an additional 298 people killed in the crash of Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 on 17 July 2014.42 About 85 to 90 per cent of these deaths, recorded by OHCHR both in the territories controlled by the Government and in the areas controlled by armed groups, are as a result of shelling of populated areas with mortars, canons, howitzers, tanks and multiple launch rocket systems.So, basically up to 2000 civilians killed on BOTH sides. They do not tell the numbers for each side tho.And then there are documented cases, the number of which I had to count myself:>A. Use of force by use of firearms>Territories controlled by armed groups>2 cases>Territories controlled by Government>7 cases>B. Execution of persons who surrendered or were otherwise hors de combat>Territories controlled by armed groups>17 cases> Territories controlled by Government>1 case>C. Arbitrary or summary executions>Territories controlled by armed groups>28 cases>Territories controlled by Government>32 cases>Death during deprivation of liberty>Territories controlled by armed groups>8 cases>Territories controlled by Government>3 cases>Disappearances which may have led to death>Territories controlled by armed groups>9 cases>Territories controlled by Government>0 cases>Killings within the armed groups and Governmental forces>Territories controlled by armed groups>2 cases>Territories controlled by Government>4 cases
>>534311167Let's have a referendum in Karelia then.
>>534311809>and show results where 99% peoples voted to join and 98% of people go to voteHahahahaha
>>534317904Yup
>>534311167or they could have just moved there and save everyone the grief
>>534318477Yeah because you can just move
>>534311167Death to Jewkraine and all her supporters
>>534318549between ukraine and russia before 2010? yeah they just could
>>534318667People have jobs, people have apartments, people have furniture, people have shit, you can't just move. People don't have the money to do that unless they're in the oligarch class funding this shit.
>>534311752You stupid vatniks aren't fooling anyone. People in those videos are trying to run to the front. The military men are stopping them, telling them they need training first. No wonder a ruZZian can't recognize indomitable spirit. Go steal a washing machine, Ivan.
>>534311167Okay then all the non russian parts of russia like chechnya etc etc should have the same right.
>>534312147Shut up you drooling Azeri retard, nobody cares you sound like a reddit manchild.
>>534313176I'll keep this saved in case it's another red deer.
>>534311167No they should have just moved to Russia.
>>534318721They would lose all that and their lives in a war so moving away is the better choice.
