What if China had discovered America before Europe?
>>534324229They came after Whites this is 10000 year old history spic
they would have difficulty repurposing all the leftover white marble monuments from the 1000 years of greater Rome that was erased from modern history
China believed that their land was the best and decided that they didn't care what the inferior rest of the world had. So they stopped expanding.
>it's not the size of the boat, but the motion of the ocean
>>534324229They were no where that size because of physics
>>534324229>Zheng He (also romanized Cheng Ho; 1371–1433/1435) was a Chinese explorer, admiral, diplomat, and eunuch
>>534324229You wouldn't be here. They would have eaten the Aztecs
>>534324229The Chinese in to America because they didn't understand seafaring. That huge clump of wood was only for going up and down the yellow river. The Chinese couldn't get far on the open ocean. That thing would break apart in any rough seas
>>534324229I don't know anything about this so don't know if the ships were actually good or not, but big definitely does not imply good.
>>534324229China lies about stuff. They even lie about inventing gunpowder.
>>534324229>flat bottomed junkthat would sink in a storm
>>534324229>sail proportions are wrong in the chinese version.meaning that not always bigger is better.the bigger one would not sail because the sails are smaller than the boat, thus not generation enough wind force for it to be pushed foward.havent you heard of tofu biuldings?
>>534324229good thing they scuttled their magically giant ships so nobody would question their alleged dimensions.
>>534324418Indeed. There is a maximum size you can make a wooden ship before the stress of being in the ocean tears a wooden structure apart. This is why we make ships out of steel now.
Yeah the main barrier was stupidity on their partYou know the British showed the Imperial court sextants and explained what they're used for?The chinks dismissed them as "barbarian toys" when they had failed for their entire history to develop a reliable means of ocean navigation
>>534324229that would sink crossing the pacific retard
>>534324561Proportions and ratios change with scale. Each one of those sails is bigger than the main one on the mayflower. That's a lot of power.Not everything is relative. STEMlets never understand this.
>>534324229/pol/ - Nautical Expertise
>>534324441How would you even tell a Chinese man is a eunuch?
>>534324391Actually a based way of thinking even when it’s not true. If everyone thought like that we’d all be living in comfy homogeneous countries.
What prevented chinks from conquering new continents was simply incompetence. If bugs could have set up colonies they would have.
>>534324391They made it to Finland.
>>534324229Only one of those ships is actually sea worthy. They weren't capable of travelling the open ocean until the technology was given to them.
>>534324229The chinks are bad navigators. Couldn’t have done it.
>>534324482Yeah that caravel is significantly more technologically advanced than the junk. Wouldn't expect the average tard to get that though.
>>5343242291. There weren't that big and if you believe that you are a fucking retard2. They were unable to sail the ocean, because their tech was primitive, those ships are a step above rafts, but several dozen steps below Euro ships
>>534324873Nah the chinks did sail to places like JapanThey just did so very rarely as they lacked reliable navigation and many of their ships didn't fare well in the open oceanFor example for much of its history Japan was technically a vassal state of China.But it was so rare for them to communicate due to these ocean travel issues that their status was a Chinese vassal was generally completely disregarded
>>534324391>So they stopped expanding.Court battles between the Civil Service and the Eunuchs. The fleet was burned at anchor and the shipyards destroyed.Chinese Trannys saved the west.
>>534324883They went out, met the Jeets then went home and built a wall.
>>534324229How can someone seriously believe that China would not have conquered other lands or that they chose not to altruistically for that matter. Astronomical levels of delusion.
>>534324982eh, there's enough archaeological evidence suggesting they were building massive ships, but they would have been absolutely not sea worthy at alla caravel was an amazing piece of technology, it could sail anywhere and if you needed to move more men you just built more of them, plus if one sinks it's not that big of a deal compared to having just one massive ship
>>534325100Same reason muslims are portrayed as the good guys instead of subhuman animals
>>534325100Typical angloid projection
>>534324229who did they copy the design from?
>>534324229>ethnocentric xenophobia is so based guys!I hate chinksimps
>>534324229They are called Junk for a reason
>>534324873>They weren't capable of travelling the open ocean>>534324448>That huge clump of wood was only for going up and down the yellow river.Zheng He's fleet sailed across the Indian Ocean to Yemen you spastics
>>534324739No facial hair and balding problem
>>534324229>What if China had discovered America before Europe?They'd have attempted to settle it then promptly collapsed as domestically China was threatened and conquered by the Manchurians, or if you go back further the Mongols.
>>534324229Aussie doing serious damage control.
>>534324229>What if China had discovered America before Europe?They probably wouldn't have colonized it. They've stayed within their borders through most of their history.
Also just for the record, Europe was absolutely building massive ships toohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yj_Px0IsCHkcaravels just didn't need to be that large, in fact it would've been detrimental to their purpose
>>534325100>believe that China would not have conquered other landsWhy fight when they just give up and pay you. [Looking at you, Trump]
>>534325121Retarded naval architectures is a long tradition amongst empires across cultures. Of course there is no reason to believe HiKungFu's junk was any better than Caligula's Nemi ships.
>>534324810i swear 99.9999% newfags>great under rated post
>>534325276>far reaching ocean voyages>nearby islandsI know it’s goypedia but this is insane cope
>>534324229Trade Winds.China didn't sail a sailing to America because the Trade Winds are not favorable. Even when Europe got to the Americas you had a few windows a year to event sail down to Africa and hop on the winds. You might wait in the Carribean for the winter before riding back up North. China didn't have the boats or navigation to sail up to Siberia just to sail through Alaska, only to hit the nothingburger of the Pacific Northwest. Its all about Geography and motivation. Europeans went West to get around the fact the Ottomans cut them off from the East. China still had contact with India, Arabia and even the Ottomans. They also lacked the motivation to head East, even if the geography was favorable.Lastly the idea that China was 'super powerful and never attacked anyone' is a myth built upon people knowing their history more than others. Its like the Noble Savage myth, but applied to non-savages. China enforced tribute from its neighbors it couldn't control directly via force of arms. Occasionally on Japan as well.
>>534324442Kek
>>534325204No it didn't. Until someone recreates that with pre-caravel technologies and attempts the feat it will always be known as sino propaganda and nothing more.
>>534324229Europe colonized Taiwan before the chinks
>>534325162The ancient Chinese had learnt seafaring from Arab traders. Zheng He, a Muslim, was of Arabic descent.
>>534325205Facial hair is a dimorphic trait, lack of it is feminine. You have a dick problem
>>534325413It's a 15th century event, not from 500 BC with Herodotus as your only source. There are meticulously kept records about the treasure fleet, its structure, head count and cargo. And even if for some reason you want to disregard all Ming records, the polities they visited like Malacca or the Bengal Sultanate have records of paying tribute to the Chinese after their visit.
>>534325526>Mah dickHomo
>>534325413>No it didn't.Yeah, it did. The historical records from all around the Indian Ocean basin talk about the Chinks showing up, doing business, making some deals and then heading out. It happened.
China often makes spurious claims as if the rest of the world doesn't also operate on the same physics.At a certain point in tonnage, around 150-300 tons, you need to start thinking about steel keels or incredibly complex keel constructions.
>>534324229ImplessiveCan we see any artifacts from this ship? Surely this is not just WE WUZ bullshit lies from a chinaman
>>534325394>Occasionally on Japan as well.The archaic Chinese characters for 'Japanese Person' literally translate to "Dwarf Pirate".
>>534324394The pacific ocean is far easier to sail than the atlantic
>>534324229>What if China had discovered America before EuropeThey did though. There are giant stone anchors from Chinese ships littered over death valley.Also the South American people are all genetically tied to Chinese people; China discovered the Americas but did not establish long lasting settlements, instead they kept their centralized power in the Chinese mainland. You can see the indio people and instantly tell they are asiatic.
>>534325204>Zheng He's fleet sailed across the Indian Ocean to Yemen you spasticsHis fleet hopped along the coastline following the safe and easygoing indian ocean trade winds from india to arabia. Actually traversing open ocean like the spanish, portuguese, or basques were doing would have been impossible for his ships. I doubt he left sight of land for more than a day or two.
>>534325826By the way, Death Valley was once an inland sea; the proximity to the Grand Canyon is not a coincidence. Chinese Buddha statues and egyptian relics have been found inside underground caves within the Grand Canyon, proving China made it across the Pacific and there was once, many thousands of years ago, a thriving spiritual community of Chinese peoples living in North America.
>>534325754>Can we see any artifacts from this ship? Surely this is not just WE WUZ bullshit lies from a chinamanI feel the same way about the Imperial Japanese Navy and the Kido Butai.May we see the ships, please. Or artifacts?
>>534325826>instantly tell they are asiatic.Anon, that's a whore not an indio.
>>534325964>whores have no ethnic identityyour mom proves this to me every morning
>>534325814>The pacific ocean is far easier to sail than the atlanticKek. Lmao, even.
>>534325961>a thriving spiritual community of Chinese peoples living in North America.Yeah, No.-But-They did find a extremely old shipwreck in San Francisco bay off Oakland. Teak beams and sealed pottery full of rice. Make of that what you will.
>>534324229>we wurz sheerp beerdurs and sheetCHING CHONG U SUK MY PING PONG
>>534325935his fleet was also entirely composed of ships which were probably around 76 meters long, so bigger, but not massively so when compared to caravels.To put that into perspective, greeks, romans, and even vikangs built ships of these sizes designed around the same sort of naval travel, coastal hopping or short distances over open waters.European trading ships designing smaller to go farther was a modern marvel that no one else in the world could match at the time of their construction, as it allowed Europeans to quite literally go anywhere they wanted.
>>534324229>Zheng he’s ship It’s a ccp fairy tale
>>534326170Everything I said is true and easily searchable. Your too-fast dismissal means you're deeply uneducated or simply a dishonest poster.Basically, and no offense, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about but I encourage you to learn.
>>534325754The ships were burned down by the emperor's orders. In one of their last voyages, the treasure fleet sailed past the Cape of Good Hope but turned back. They caught a giraffe and presented it to the emperor. It's all documented if you bother to do an internet search.
>>534324229That's the problem with China. They lack human soul. They are bugmen, always have been.
>>534324229>Build the biggest ship(they didn’t)>Just look at my ship I’m numba 1 nowWhy do they think like this Niggers would have burned and looted thst mother fucker in a few hours So child like
>>534324229Lmao the chinks could only sail near the coast.Anyone who has ever seen a chink deep fry a live dog should know that it's not a lack of evil stopping them from conquering.
>>534324735>Proportions and ratios change with scale. Each one of those sails is bigger than the main one on the mayflower. That's a lot of power.dude i just pointed one point of it, i will point more, the boat is too large, this will cause friction with water making the ship slow, also wood can´t withstand that project, due to the weight. the miniature was not realistic in portraiting current navegation models, also those big boats all got btfo in corals n shit. so they would not navigate in east asia and neither in caribe.>Not everything is relative. STEMlets never understand this.you are the retarded glowyie millennial kike that don´t even know basic physics. if you look here,>>534325276 the proportions are correctly represented. but the size is smaller.i am not saying that chinese people didn´t navegate. i am saying that chinese people when telling their own story, they lie a lot, and invent bigger lies to cause gradiose event in the mind of their population, but the original chinese people that had a lineage aligned with the nephilins are in taiwan right now, those are that could biuld those ships, the current chinese people are mixed to the point they can´t even rebiuld the great wall of china without it collapsing due to basic mathematical features. now with Ai maybe they will do better.
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Tomahawk jeet genetics imply they did.
>>534326443>Anyone who has ever seen a chink deep fry a live dog should know that it's not a lack of evil stopping themThis.Shit government, court trannys, and the Mongols put paid to the Chinese Middle Kingdom.
>>534326381>kareem abdul jabarkek
>>534326381Yeah yeah yeah cope
>>534324229We would all be eating egg rolls everyday probably, who knows lmao
>>534325100They couldn’t even handle Vietnam or Tibet and were conquered by horsefuckers like five times
>>534326478>i am saying that chinese people when telling their own story, they lie a lot(Laughing) This is true.
Why are people so mad about China they haven't done anything to me except sell me a laptop, I'm not butthurt at Egyptians because this thing is bigger than a viking longboat. The best seafarers were probably Polynesians anyway
>>534326686I do that anyway
>>534324229>instead of trying to conquer the planetThey were never going to conquer anything with those ships because those ships are built specifically for exploration and trade, they weren't warships. A warship would have to be built entirely different and just because you have a bigger boat doesn't mean you will dominate other countries naval power.>>534324418This, those boats would have mainly been used to sail the internal rivers of China and whatever rivers connected to its neighbors not for sailing in the open ocean. There is a huge difference between sailing up and down rivers and going out into the ocean especially when factor in harsh weather conditions and what not. OP's twitter post is exactly the kind of retarded opinions you get when you give everyone a soapbox to stand on and say retarded things.
>>534324391Good thinking. They are correct that they're better than the rest of Europe/Africa/Asia. People didn't really expect there to be two whole extra continents. The Chinese thought they'd sail around the world just to run into England and they correctly thought "why the fuck would we do that" lol
>>534324229They did and did nothing with knowing that vast untamed lands existed to the east.
>>534326728>The best seafarers were probably Polynesians anywayFair bet. Best navigators ever, even now. The seaborne shenanigans of the Phoenicians are a close second.
>>534326728Hey idiot. Maybe look up the various attempts to destroy united states infrastructure and economy using biological weapons. Why do you think your citrus industry in the shitter? I will give you a hint, because chinks brought over a fly that carries a poison that destroy fruit trees. But don't worry dingle berry i am sure drones or whatever you think China is good for will make your life better rather than supporting your own country.
China didn't even know Taiwan existed before the Europeans told them about it.
>>534324391>China believed that their land was the best>Every single Chinese person after the Mongol invasions into China is a rape baby mutt>There isn't a single original Chinese person in existence now because they were all quite literally raped out of existenceChina is a true land of mutts and get very angry when you point out what the Mongols did to them.
>>534326928This is what Mongol girls look like
>>534326749>those ships are built specifically for exploration and tradeEven the Chinks would disagree with you. All seven Treasure Voyages were just political flex and got shit-canned because they didn't even pay for themselves. Zeng He was born to a Muslim Family, and made the Haj at least once in his life.He wasn't exploring anything, he was going where he had been before, and bringing the Chinese Banner to places he already had maps for.
>>534325826>Also the South American people are all genetically tied to Chinese peopleNo we're not. Fuck you.
>>534326928>because they were all quite literally raped out of existenceThis is also true.The Chinese obsession with being the Han People is cope and bullshit. The real Han were raped out of existence by 1700.
>>534324229They couldn't even discover and populate Australia, but the fucking Brits on the other side of the world did.IT'S RIGHT FUCKING THERE!
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>>534327119>They couldn't even discover and populate AustraliaSome evidence the Chinks did visit Australia, one gravesite and a few artifacts.Seems like they took one look at the place and decided the whorehouses of Yunnan were a better place to be than a entire continent full of venomous horrors.
>>534326928>>534327126
>>534324229>We WAZ could have been if we wanted to world conquers and sheeit >But also benevolent
>>534324229they'd have done nothing and get their shit pushed in same as before and currently
>>534326928> An american saying this
>>534327114the Han people were likely gone before that, not even wiped out, but just interbred. China went through dynastic changes like it was going out of style, and many of these dynasties were as different genetically from each other as an irishman compared to a greek.
>>534326230>it allowed Europeans to quite literally go anywhere they wanted>but there could be niggers there
I feel like there is a logical answer to this. like just because we can make a giant plane, doesn't mean we should when the current size of planes are probably min maxing the design to the best of its realistic abilities. in fact most things in this world have a min max design probably because the world is limited too. cars should only be the sized they are, because how big humans are. houses should only be certain sizes as well. and the more you push the extremes to one side or another, it just becomes unnecessary or inherently a bad design. even organic things can only grow so big. whales being a prime example. only if the world was bigger and the ocean was deeper and the food supply larger that whales could be bigger.
>be 15th Century chinks>have "Treasure Fleets" and be "Middle Kingdom">Confucians get into power>Daoism: "Nothing altered by humans can be better than what it is because it will lack "shen".>end exploration and trade; turn inwards and isolate self 'til the kikes in Britain came with opium
>>534327119>but the fucking Brits on the other sideAustralia was discovered by the Dutch.But it was indeed populated by Brits later.
>>534327250No there isn’t
>>534324229There's no way you'd get that giant flat-bottomed ship with shitloads of sailors (that you have to feed) across the Pacific.Sleek euro-engioneered caravel latina-chads win again
>>534326665I know it's difficult for you to accept documented historical facts since you people don't have much history to speak of. Go to bed.
>>534326728>getting from Fiji to Easter Island in grass canoesPolynesians are S-tier
>>534327502>2017Shows the latest stats. Not too long ago I remember reading the mindbroken liberal diaspora say that the CCP was too authoritarian and heavy handed with their pollution control, which sounds like a good sign.
>>534324597>The chinks dismissed them as "barbarian toys" when they had failed for their entire history to develop a reliable means of ocean navigationwtf even pineapple niggers figured that out in like 3500bc.
>>534324229I dunno how schizo it is, but there do be a book about that."The primary book arguing that Chinese Admiral Zheng He discovered America is "1421: The Year China Discovered America" (also published as 1421: The Year China Discovered the World) by Gavin Menzies. Published in 2002, it claims a massive Chinese fleet reached the Americas in 1421, decades before Columbus, though this theory is largely rejected by mainstream historians"
>>534327618Every post hating on the chinks.Where did the Chinaman touch you?
>>534327502to understand the mindset of the Qing dynasty, one has to understand the mindset of the Chinese people, and the many dyansties that preceded it.Until the Qing lost the Opium wars 3 times, they had the mandate of heaven and their dynasty was incredibly wealthy. They knew from the past, that trading with the barbarians was a waste so they assumed that was still true, and would only deal with foreigners in cantons if they traded in silver and gold.For Europeans, this just wasn't how trade was done, you traded in goods, but the Qing just decided that any European goods were inferior because the Chinese made the same thing thousands of years ago and didn't understand that what Europeans were making was way more sophisticated than anything the Chinese could make.After getting BTFO the first two times by superior Western militaries, the Qing did finally start to adopt some Western military technology in order to deal with the Taiping rebellion, but it was too late and the Europeans eventually forced the Chinese to trade in goods (at this point opium for tea, porcelain, and silk).
>>534324442>>534324229Chinese emperors were absolute fucking pieces of shit
>>534327818Pineapple niggers didn’t do open navigation they island hoped over the course of thousands of years What Columbus did was the equivalent of landing on the moon in the late Middle Ages
>>534324810Korean lies.
>>534324597>The chinks dismissed them as "barbarian toys">>534327818>wtf even pineapple niggers figured that out in like 3500bc.Chinese had a huge Observatory during one of the Ming periods. Very advanced, did all kinds of good stuff. Then a new Emperor comes along and wants the whole complex moved to a new site so it's closer to one of his Fuck-Palaces.Parallax Effect fucks up decades of research, Chinese astronomers get executed for being frauds and space becomes fake and definitely gay. Chinese history is fun.
>>534324229Then the loids could have built the railroads alot earlier
>>534327871She hurt me real bad :/
>>534328078>Korean lies.Hyperwar Denier.
>>534328193>She hurt me real bad :/"She"Someone else going to tell him?If I do I might hurt his feelings.
>>534328131The British and Germans built railroads for the Chinese and they destroyed them in the big boxer chimp out
>>534328063It was a big deal, but it was no moon landing lmao. He just followed the current that leads straight from north west Africa to the Caribbean
>>534324229>Evil is not an inevitable byproduct of powerAre we talking about the same China where emperors would force their servants to be castrated?
>>534328356I know what real pussy taste like bucko
>>534327963>Qing dynastyZheng He's expeditions were during the Ming dynasty. But I agree with you. The first few dynastic rulers are usually remarkable. Until corruption and incompetence take over the next generations. The revolutionaries had believed this cycle will end by becoming a republic.
>>534325961Death valley was a sea when dinosaurs were alive. This post is very yellow jewish.
There is a manhwa with that exact premise
>>534328456I think you underestimate what they did probably because your brown
>>534328458The same china that to win a war, cannibalized the enemy (their own people), yes.
>>534328725I think you're overestimating how hard it was because you're a fat fuck that has never water fasted a day in his life, which they literally didn't even need to resort to.
>>534328725They'd known about the current going west for some time. It was mostly a matter of following it across.
>>534329071>I think you're overestimating how hard it was because you're a fat fuck that has never water fasted a day in his life, which they literally didn't even need to resort to.
Generally speaking, the smaller European warships (which that ship isnt a true warship) would absolutely smash that Chinese ship.
>>534329071>>534329242Are you same fagging now nigger
>>534329475Not really, European ships regularly got smoked by Chinese pirates until the late age of sail ship and cannon designs started to get really good.
>>534324229chinese were always so far up their own asses they wouldn't have seen the potentialonly a bunch of backwards ass brown devils best left alonealso technically anyone can circumnavigate the globe in a walnut shell boat. it's a question of guts and skill, not size
>>534325814u wot
>>534324229Probably the same thing that happened to the native americans in our timeline, mass death from disease. The colonies would be smaller since China was a more centralized society but we would have nations in the west coast of North America that speak Chinese, Korean, Vietnamese, or Japanese. The Inca might also survive if they manage to get some guns from china. If Japan unified and got a colony they would likely be more brutal though than any Europeans. To be honest the only reason Asia never colonized anything in real life is because between 1500-1800 they underwent a mass period of isolationism
>>534325620May we see the records?
>>534324229>giant bowless chinaslop vessel that only lost money and didn't explore anything new>basically a big raft>LOOK CHINA NUMBA WANThey would've covered it in LEDS and pretended it was an advancement if they could've.
>>534325644>around>not acrossremember that distinction
>>534324391>You acted nice, but you had evil thoughts in your brain the whole time!Lmao, fag
>>534327336>be america 250 years old of 70-ish years of mutting>be "china" 5000 years of getting raped by every neighboring nation and passing foreign army. china is (if extremely generous) literally 20 times the mutt america is.
>>534324229it's not the size pedro, it's how you use it chang will always overcompensate also they discovered giraffs in africa but had little curiousity for the place because china big
>>534324229Weren't those ships kind of like the roman emperor pleasure yachts and not actual "blue water vessels?Also pretty sure the chinck did get to the Americas first because Native Americans are mostly of ancient Asian descent. If "modern Asians" had colonized the Americas first they would have exterminated and probably eaten the natives.
>>534324229>just invent the sextant, chronometer, and celestial navigation broChinks don't invent much and seem to be entirely content with the status quo. I reckon the probability of them inventing these is close to zero even over thousands of years. Silk road started in China, they had no reason to explore alternate routes, unlike western euros where the silk road route went through hostile countries that could control the trade.
>>534327015why do 50% of slanteyes have a lazy eye? i noticed this on dating sites
>>534325826the injuns came from siberia you moron, of course there's some genetic similarity
>>534324229Do people actually believe this retarded shit?
>>534324229They would get raped and eaten by Aztecs and record it in their history books as a Chinese victory which resulted in disinterest in North America because china is the center of the world.
>>534324229so true china's history is completely devoid of conquest and war
>>534324229that looks like a river barge, not an oceangoing vessel. Am I wrong?
>>534324229chinks love to gamble. it was a glorified casino boat. muh treasure was actually the house bank
>>534324229They didnt because theyre chinese aka incapable of creating anything original or exploring outside of pre determined barriers
>>534326767Scared of the English, ugly little chinks
>>534324229they didn't understand Volta do mar, like the cunning portuguese did. so they couldn't offshore. that shit would've sunk trying to cross the pacific.
>>534324229reminder that the only evidence they found for these ships existing is a single piece of wood they dug up and won't let anyone else examine
