Is it bullying? Does trannyism make them depressed?
>>>/lgbt/
>>534324594When they put their mind to something they can become it weather it's a woman or worm food.
>>534324594>why does unnatural people make bad decisions?
>>534324594Transgender people are highly narcissistic so they form their ego based on the opinions of others. They don’t get enough positive feedback from others so instead of looking inward they look outward and believe they’ll get more positive feedback by changing their appearance instead of their personality. When the new look fails because their outward appearance was never the problem it gives them a greater sense of hopelessness along with having the physical duties of maintaining their new so called gender.
>>534324594>Why do transgender people have higher suicide rates?Is it? If you track by comorbidities of mental illness, is it higher?
>>534324594Being emotionally vulnerable is the starting point. Transing is a response to abuse by authority.>I am stupidleads to compliance.>"You aren't stupid, you are trans haha"leads compliant stupid person to>Authority figure is smart and says I am trans so I will cut my dick offIt really is that simple. Milgram experiments and all that.
>>534324594Well if you chopped your cock off you'd probably kill yourself too.
>>534324594Isn’t that kind of a stupid question op?
>>534324594They are mentally ill people
>>534324594Why do men have higher suicide rates?Why does Japan have higher suicide rates?
hormones mostly.
>>534326036I'm genuinely curious. The only trans person I know is suicidal and I'm trying to figure out how to help
>>534326119Depression and insurance for their family
>>534326147they need to "detransition" (i.e. be cured of the delusion they are suffering from)understanding that, reconciling and acceping who they actually are (and always were) is the only way to fix thatmeds can help getting there potentially
>>534326033I wouldn't. I don't think about my penis for 90% of the day already anyway.
>I will assert that I am placed incorrectly on a gender spectrum that I have personally come to identify, and you (every single person on this planet that I interact with) must have precognition and know what I identify as, or otherwise awkwardly break up conversations with every person you meet who is non-standard with fashion or primary gender attribution to verify where they stand on the gender spectrum, or I will immediately assume the absolute worst of you, anybody you affiliate with, and anybody you have previously affiliated with, and make active efforts to communicate with my ever-shrinking circle of friends that you are monsters and should be reviledThere is not one case of trans suicide that did not include this as part of their M.O. There are trans-whatevers out there living every single day in their own sphere, enjoying their own hobbies, making many friends and not disturbing or bothering anybody. There are also Hons and Sweeties out there who have chosen to participate in a war that didn't need to be fought, dragged their entire social circle into it in the most narcissistic, self-serving manner imaginable, and were devastated to find out that most people aren't as passionate about their gender identity as they personally are. I can assure you that whichever transfolxx are dying are the correct ones, because all of the survivors seem to be individuals who can maintain relationships and family (the singular factor that reduces the suicide rate from ~48% to less than 1%).
>>534326351If you can't even accept who you are, how can you expect a trans person to?
>>534326147It’s a confluence of factors, female puberty makes you unstable as a baseline, and then they are made the focus of the current cultural zeitgeist thrust into the spotlight and either wielded as a tool or hated as a boogeyman all with the underlying fragility of having something fundamental wrong with them whether you consider that to be their sexual characteristics or a mental delusion. Compared to the average person of course they’re going to kill themselves more
>>534326147https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRa7hF6ig7csend him this
>>534326411but i do?trannies are mentally ill and need to be cured, no doubt about it
>>534324594troons that actually believe they are the opposite gender are severely mentally ill
>>534324594I believe for the same reason gay homosexual males are statistically more likely shit themselves
>>534324594I mean, they put themselves in a situation where they've done something horrible to themselves and1. can't physically reverse it2. can't admit they were wrongand now they have to live the rest of their lives exclusively in extremely censored bubbles moderated by political radicals, with no way to access the "real world" without being reminded of how fucked up your situation is
>>534326479>but i doNo, you're extremely insecure, and it isn't subtle.
>>534326544by 2030 your mother and sisters will be raped by roving packs of pajeets and i will laugh about it
>>534326544>if i keep projecting my own insecurities at other people it'll surely work eventually!anon...
>>534324594Because they realized that playing pretend doesn't get rid of their personal problems
>>534325822Some transboys do have a uterus btw. It's the transgirls that typically aren't born with a uterus
>>534324594More like depression makes them vulnerable to trannyism.
>>534326147turns out being stuck in a body you hate with a society that will hate you for trying to change your body can be suicide inducinghave you not heard of gender dysphoria or something?
>>534324594>Why do transgender people have higher suicide rates?i already suffer because i had my foreskin removed, imagine what i would suffer if my whole pipi was removed definitely.
>>534324594compounding negative thoughts that create bad circumstances that the bad circumstances create the compounding negative thoughts and they dont know how to stop being petty faggots and break the toxic cycle, because the world is the one thats wrong about their lifestyle choices. but deep down inside they still fight the moral complexities of the lifestyle they live. Like a thief that becomes super self conscious that his thievery has caused bat things to arise. or a chronic liar who's world crumbles because they lied too much and it caught up to them. there are just some evil things in this world that you shouldn't indulge in.
>>534326592>>534326603See the exaggerated emotional response to even mild criticism, as they desperately insist that all of the people around them are the problem? Not a moment of introspection.
>>534324594Their entire life is a fetish, I'd kill myself too
>>534324594because they are ropesexual
>>534324594Because they usually troon out in response to being unhappy with their lives and they assume it's their outward self that is the problem when in fact their issues are entirely internal.Whether you pour piss into a champagne flute or into a dixie cup it's still piss.
>>534326368Thats the entire reason why trannies kill themselves. Chopping their cock off and getting it inverted into fake hairy hole that stinks of shit.
>>534326787you will suffer from anal incontinence by age 40. it's unfortunate, but on the bright side, the AIDS will make sure you don't have to suffer for long.
>>534324594The willingness to castrate yourself should be a red flag to some kind of unresolved personal issues
>>534326891You're having narcissistic delusions about tranny piss to internally confirm your worldview. It's the most pathologically insecure thing I've ever seen.
>>534326886Did you read that somewhere, or did you just make it up in your mind?
>>534324594>mentally ill people suicide more>the more severe the mental illness, the more suicide>trannies rank among the very highestGee, I wonder if it is because they were mentally ill, then encouraged into their delusions resulting in some of the most severe mental illness ever?
>>534326083I wonder if this image has black pilled any trannies
>>534326411Tell that to a tranny
>>534326947>insecurehow many times are you going to type this pretentious faggotbabble
>why are people who are maligned by society predisposed to commit suicide in higher numbers?The geniuses of /pol/ will sure to find the answer!
>>534326787Tell that to a tranny
>>534326787>See the exaggerated emotional response to even mild criticism, as they desperately insist that all of the people around them are the problem? Not a moment of introspection.it sounds like you're talking about the people who throw themselves off a bridge because other people wouldn't play pretend about their gender
>>534327082A mystery only /pol/ can solve
>>534326351How can I help them detransition?Their transition wasa surprise. Their family was deeply religious and heavily restricted their internet usage. They were homeschooled their entire life. I only knew the family because we were neighbors. Now they've been disowned for trooning out.
>>534327082bad things are often maligned by society, nice observation.
>>534326971Cope faggot, you will never be a real woman.
>>534327157the faggots family is more based than you. cut off that freak faggot or you are just as bad as him for enabling it.
>>534327034nah made me laugh lol
>>534327082>be aggressively retarded on a societal scale>get maligned by society>it's now society's fault when you kill yourselfi'm tired of this logic where everyone is compelled to give you whatever you want because otherwise you'll kill yourself, just do it already
>>534324594Mental illness needs to be treated, not encouraged.
>>534326465He said that if he kills himself, it'll be quiet. Just leave a note on the fridge. Go to a forest, and commit suicide there. Likely either slitting the wrists, or blowing his brains out, though I'm not sure how he'll get a gun.
>>534324594They don't look the way they want. When you think you look ugly you want to kill yourself.That's why Bailey Jay is still alive, she's pretty
>>534327048I'm going to keep correctly identifying you as a very insecure person. The emotional outburst you're having, as a consequence to your high level of insecurity, is antithetical to effective communication. I hope you can take a step back to regulate yourself.
>>534326083>>534327034this image is about the difference in quality of life between passing and unpassing trannies
>>534324594You can't explain mental illness. Crazy people do crazy shit. It's why they're called crazy.
>>534324594>Why do transgender people have higher suicide rates?Because it's a form of insanity.
>>534327201I'm not enabling it. I think it's gross.
>>534327112No, I was talking about what I wrote in my post.
>>534324594>Why do transgender people have higher suicide rates? Because sooner or later reality hits you in the face with a bag of bricks, and that happens to everybody, not just troons. >Is it bullying?Partly yes but at the same time they tend fall into the mindset that the world itself has to bend to their desires. >Does trannyism make them depressed?Or maybe it is the insane amounts of cocktails of hormone disruptors plus psychotropic drugs they take.
>>534327157see >>534326704clearly you aren't actually a friend to this person if you want them to detransition
>>534327176Why do you have severe emotional tantrums when slightly challenged?
>>534327273does avoiding the conversation and just repeatedly insisting the other person is mad ever actually work? it's making everyone who views this thread hate you even more, which increases the troon suicide rate apparently so nice job pumping up those numbers
>>534327319Which you described troons perfectly
>>534326083>>534327034this >>534327274
>>534327319>No, I was talking about what I wrote in my post.Sir you used the phrase "exaggerated emotional response" and I'm afraid that describes what you're doing much better
>>534324594Society does not accept them. Especially friends & family. If you’re trans, you can live closeted when you know it’s not right for you, or you can transition and potentially lose your social support, until hopefully you can find people who accept you.
>>534327346>see >>534326704Trannies commit suicide more frequently post than pre transition. The group with the lowest suicide rate are detransitioners.
>>534324594Imagine if the whole world was just against you all the time for something you cant control
>>534327319You're a tranny aren't you?
>>534327514With Canadians they are Indian or a tranny.
>>534327350Cope and go dilate faggot.You have mental illness so try not to ack yourself.
>>534324594It’s obvious. They’re mentally ill. And they need genuine help, not gaslighting. The liberal left caused this by pandering to their delusions.>you will never be a woman, no matter how hard you try, if you were born a man
>>534327481>Trannies commit suicide more frequently post than pre transition.this isn't truehow would you even measure that? How would you know how many trannies commit suicide pre-transition if they haven't transitioned yet?
>>534327381>does avoiding the conversation and just repeatedly insisting the other person is mad ever actually work?They were both angry, and not engaging with the conversation. You can see that when they ignore everything I say, and instead just argue with things they said themselves, that they pretended I said. Most severely insecure people don't have the capacity for any level of introspection, so typically they continue raging like lunatics, and I just disengage.There are people out there who are genuinely curious about learning things, and don't shatter like glass the moment something they believe is challenged. I try to go find someone like that instead.
>>534327650KYS TRANNY
>>534324594You're already past the point of degeneracy when you consider if you want to be the opposite gender on the inside. Your porn consumption is high, and you've experienced some amount of existential angst or loneliness, and struggle to feel accepted. You feel envious of people who stole the boy or the girl you wanted to get with in front of you, and you feel like you're not the protagonist you thought you were born to be, so to cope, you invent ideas of wanting to be the woman of your own dreams, and you know this is delusional until you slip so completely into it, that you cope it out of your mind.At this point you've already had thoughts of suicide. If people deny you this continued coping, you become suicidal again, because you're fully committed to your own loss of self.And it's at this point that you require everyone around you to buy into your own delusion. If they don't, you take your own life.This is why statistics show that people with gender dysphoria who were denied sex change have higher suicide incidence than the rest.I am not a transgender. I'm just a white guy, typing on 4chan. I am also not suicidal, but it I don't have to twist my brain much to figure out what the deal is with transgender people. They're attention-deprived narcissists who are on the soft edges of the autism spectrum, such that they have empathy issues that cause them to have low self-understanding, and let themselves escalate with their daydreams, and they're unable to self-admit when they've gone too far about themselves.
>>534326704"Being stuck in a body you hate" isn't a real fucking problem, I'm sorry. Fat and/or ugly people live with it all the time and we aren't expected to forcibly re-write all logic concerning biology and sex to accommodate a fantasy they might have about being skinny/beautiful. Honestly if you guys were able to just act out your stupid fetish without all of the censorship/social climbing/propagandizing then most people would probably still see it as just a weird but harmless quirk, but NO, the entire education system of the western world has to bend over backwards to enforce this tabula rasa horseshit where any word can mean anything so anyone can be whatever they want with no attachment to reality whatsoever, and if you don't take part then their mob will descend on you and try to ruin your life. Fuck off
>>534327626>how would you even measure that?Because not everyone goes through a transition that are diagnosed with gender dysphoria. And it's absolutely true, the suicide rate for post transition trannies is nearly double schizophrenics.
>>534327626>this isn't trueHow do you know?>>534327650>Most severely insecure people don't have the capacity for any level of introspection, so typically they continue raging like lunatics,Troon 101
Often times trooning is the last gasp of someone who tried everything else to not kill themselves. Trooning is itself a form of suicide. They think the person they were has died, and was replaced with someone else. If trannyism was really what it claimed to be, then none of them would care about being reminded of a previous time in their life. Freaking out about "deadnaming" makes as much sense as a gay person freaking out because someone mentioned a thing that happened while they were closeted. But for troons it's confronting them with the reality against their delusions which results in them killing themselves. Ultimately it never works regardless because they will always be them, even when the entire world revolves around maintaining their self-gaslighting.There is also a contingency of people who trooned because they got sucked into cults that ruined their mental health more than it already would have been by how hostile society is to most men.
>>534327847>Often times trooning is the last gasp of someone who tried everything else to not kill themselves.That's an assumption without data.
>>534327742Why would we want anyone to rewrite anything on how they view others? I look like a woman, I sound like a woman, I am treated like a woman by strangers, I have female secondary sex characteristics, I only date guys that want a tranny so im not fooling anyone.
>>534327742"being stuck in a body you hate" is a real psychiatric disorder called gender dysphoria in this casefat people can lose weight. Ugly people can get plastic surgery. Trans people can take hormones and get plastic surgery. It's not perfect, but it's better than the alternativeand this is actually the opposite of tabula rasa, actual blank slate believers like john money were anti-trans, because they believed that there was no innate sense of self that predicted a sexed body. Obviously in the case of david reimer, this theory failed. David reimer was a normal boy who never could have lived as a girl, because his brain expected a male body. Trans people are just the very rare ~0.3% of people who have a neurological disorder that makes their brain expect a body that's the opposite sex of the one they have. This is obviously a horrific condition to be born with, and will literally ruin your life because your body will always feel unnatural to you unless you're very lucky with transition. But transitioning is the only thing that can help, by changing the body to be as aligned to the neurological expectation of sex as possible.
>>534326083In reality, the girl would have thoughts very similar to the crazy tranny man.
>>534327776>Troon 101See how they create a fluid, imaginary mental "model" of the person they're talking to, because it helps them grapple with it emotionally? To them, this "model" is more real than the actual person. They can apply this standard to any element of reality, given enough weakness or trauma.It's the insecurity playbook. Every single trait is here.
>>534327937>but it's better than the alternativeIt's empirically not. Take an anti-psychotic.
>>534327762>not everyone goes through a transition that are diagnosed with gender dysphoriaand not everyone who has gender dysphoria is diagnosed>the suicide rate for post transition trannies is nearly double schizophrenicsthat might be true, but we're comparing pre-trans with post-trans, not schizo vs trans.>>534327776>>this isn't true>How do you know?because all the studies I've seen claiming that actually just compare trannies with cis people and use the continuing high risk of suicide to argue that transitioning doesn't work
>>534327913>I look like a woman, I sound like a woman, I am treated like a woman by strangers, I have female secondary sex characteristicsA costume you call "woman" but a real woman you will never be.>I only date guysBecause you're a gay man. Which you can't accept so you pretend to be a woman and act like you're in a heterosexual relationship to cope with the fact that you're a gay man.
>>534324594Its because they're having a mental health crisis, they think by making a big change they'll finally be at peace but after they do it, they realize they're still upset and now they look like a hideous uncanny valley version of themselves so they chose the rope, the only remaining viable way out. Itd be tragic if they weren't so fucking annoying. Rest In Piss, you fucking cunts.
>>534327968Right? Why do troons do that?
>>534327981>It's empirically not.it empirically isyou will find very few trannies who ever say that they regret transitioning. There's plenty of evidence that medical transition improves patient outcomes, and no evidence that antipsychotics cure gender dysphoria
>>534328024>because all the studies I've seenSuch as?
Transgenderism and suicide, including suicide by cop, spree killings, and even nonlethal acts of self destruction like risky behavior with sex and drugs, are all manifestations of the same self destructive urge, the same self loathing mental state. You can't cure it by changing the manifestation.
>>534328024>and not everyone who has gender dysphoria is diagnosedWhich is a moot point when you have a correlation with mental illness comorbidity as strong as transitioning does. It's not a treatment, it empirically makes it worse for trannies to go through a transition.
>>534328084>There's plenty of evidence that medical transition improves patient outcomesNot really. If that was the case then they wouldn't keep begging everyone to still play along with their delusion
>>534328113saw one from finland the other day that implied that transitioning doesn't work because trannies still have more psychiatric appointments than cis people
>>534328034Actually I was accepted by my family and friends back when they thought I was a homosexual, its only after coming out that people have a problem with me now because being gay is accepted in society and being trans isnt.I dont care if some internet retard thinks I am wearing a costume or something because I can go out in public and everyone I didnt know before thinks I am just a regular woman
>>534328162>It's not a treatment, it empirically makes it worse for trannies to go through a transition.it doesn't thoughbeitif it makes it worse, how come so few stop taking it?
>>534328178>saw one from finland>saw>one>impliedHow about linking it instead
>>534328084>you will find very few trannies who ever say that they regret transitioning.You literally find the majority contemplating suicide and getting a significant rise in associated mental illnesses. https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/apa.70533
>>534328178Yeah the system requires you make more mental health appointments to get your meds lol what a retarded study
>>534328178>saw one from finland the other day that implied that transitioning doesn't work because trannies still have more psychiatric appointments than cis peopleNo, that's not the Finnish study in the slightest.
>>534328080Deflection and denial are extremely cowardly traits. I know you don't value honesty or strength, but you should at least be aware that your attempt to hide your profound weakness doesn't work. Everyone in your life can see it.
>>534324594The wages of sin are death
>>534328238>how come so few stop taking it?Because they kill themselves? Like empirically.
>>534324594Because they are mentally ill and enabling their delusional behaviour will only lead them further down the road to cutting their dicks off.
>>534328297Based and Truthpilled
>>534328238If a knife got lodged into your abdomen you'd be hesitant to take it out.
>>534328232>Actually I was accepted by my family and friends back when they thought I was a homosexualYou didn't accept yourself >I dont care if some internet retard thinks I am wearing a costumeYou are. You know it and so does everyone else >>534328281>I know you don't value honesty or strengthHonesty? Like expecting people to lie to you and themselves to appease your delusion?You clowns project a lot
>>534328261That's not the finding of the Finnish study, you should read it.
>>534328247>How about linking it insteadoh, I think it was this one >>534328254it measures referrals to mental health services by providers, but doesn't actually qualify the services or diagnoses. the irony is that trans people in finland have to get mental health treatment to be allowed to medically transition. So they're literally forcing them to go to shrinks, and then accusing them of being too mentally ill for going to shrinks all the time. It's joke science from some doctor who's part of a bunch of anti-trans groups.
>>534328321around 1% detransition, and much less than that actually kill themselves
>>534328386>You clowns project a lotYou've been projecting your imaginary version of me onto the screen since my first post, of course, so it makes sense that you would eventually accusative me of projection. You live in a fluid reality, where you think none of your own standards apply to you. It's a level of shameless hypocrisy you can only find in carnival mirror rooms.
>>534328476You think? Lol
>>534328386You are the one projecting and pretending, I am stealth in my life even to the queers and I dont expect anyone to treat me differently on any principle other than mutual respect>You didn't accept yourselfSpeaking of projection
>>534328512>, and much less than that actually kill themselves>Studies estimate that the lifetime prevalence of suicide attempts among transgender people ranges from 32% to 50%.
>>534328521>You've been projecting your imaginary version of meNopeSo tell me again whats honest about expecting people to lie to you and themselves to appease your delusion?
>>534328590>suicide attempts>attemptswhat's the actual suicide rate?
>>534328476>but doesn't actually qualify the services or diagnoses.It does, it's based on medical diagnosis. Not visits.
>>534328582>You are the one projecting and pretendingNopeI don't expect people to lie to me and themselves to appease a delusion >>534328582>>You didn't accept yourself>Speaking of projectionThat's literally you. As you LARP as a woman lol
>>534328603>NopeYou have obviously, and you continue to blatantly do it as you type. The lack of self-awareness you have is genuinely awe inspiring, haha.
>why do mentally ill people have higher suicide rates
>>534328673>no uThat's nice but you will never be a woman.
>>534328672>no argument, continues projectionYour divide and conquer tactics are transparent btw, there is no gay/trans divide like you wish to manufacture
>>534328639Anon them attempting it is indicative the 'treatment' didn't work
>>534328755That's nice but you will never be a woman.
>>534328729That's cool, I've never claimed that I would ever be a woman, or that I've ever wanted to be. That's something you imagined in your own mind, and projected onto me.You understand this, right? I'm writing this all at a 3rd or 4th grade level so that it's easy for you to read. Does that help at all?
>>534328856So tell me again whats honest about expecting people to lie to you and themselves to appease your delusion?
>>534324594There is no such thing as a "transgender person" and their death happened long before the jews finally persuaded them to cut their dicks off. The tricky yet important part is to not let anybody come to harm by their hand while they're still writhing in agony which to them looks like "being glorious" as they term it
>>534324594They are sexist TiMmycels.
>>534324594Three main causes>CONSTANT Harassment and bullying>A large percent of them either have another mental illness or a very high IQ both of which cause suicidal depression>If you getting tricked into transing or if a kid gets transed by someone else and they didn't want to be trans they almost always end up ropingAlso see >>>/lgbt/
One simple question and the tranny roaches scatter
>>534328935I dont, ive said this multiple times, and nobody lies to me
>>534328935This is what we call a loaded question, anon. You included the answer you already believe, within your question, so why are you pretending to inquire about anything?It's so funny how you seek knowledge. You exclusively look for evidence that confirms what you already believe, and pre-reject 100% of the evidence that would confirm otherwise.We can see with your extremely emotional way of engaging that any attempt to challenge what you already believe, causes psychological damage to you.
>>534329442>You exclusively look for evidence that confirms what you already believe,Hey kettle, you're a nigger. >t. Pot.
>>534327937>Some people don't like how their body looks>This makes them the other genderWHAT?!>So the ONLY solution is...Jew.
>>534329442>This is what we call a loaded question, anonNot really So, again. What's honest about expecting people to lie to you and themselves to appease your delusion?
>>534329493Right? These clowns say I lack any introspection but like always, they project
>>534329601I dont think anyone is doing this retard-kun
>>534329295>I dontYou don't what?>and nobody lies to meSo you and everyone you know agrees you'll never be a woman?
>>534324594Real woman here. The guy who took this pic had me blocked. I'm a very well-known anti-trans account within his community. I probably contributed to him killing himself indirectly.I used to have empathy for them. That was 10 years ago. Why so many people despise them when they threaten to rape and kill people daily while playing victim is simply a mystery.
>>534329816See>>534329818>So you and everyone you know agrees you'll never be a woman?
>>534329718I remember some tranny published an article about the low impact value (way scientific journals are judged) that published the Finnish study because they considered 2.4 to be a low value.The global average impact value is 1, 2.4 is considered a highly respected journal.
>>534329883Nobody thinks that and I dont have to ask them to not think that because they just think im a normal woman
>>534324594Perhaps because they realized it’s a big fucking mistake?
>>534329934>because they just think im a normal womanNo.
>>534329934>Nobody thinks thatNo one thinks or tells you you're a woman? >because they just think im a normal womanNo they don't lol hahahaha
>>534329984Projection
>>534329934You will never be one of us. The simple fact that you think we're being honest to you is proof you don't and never will understand how we as women think and behave. Trannyism is nothing but identification with the stereotypes societally applied to women or men. It's gendered blackface. You cannot know what being a woman feels like because you have no frame of reference for which to do so.
>>534324594Because they're sick fucks
>>534330011>p..projection!
>>534329601>Not reallyIt is, obviously. You aren't a curious person.
>>534330011>>534328232>its only after coming out that people have a problem with me now because being gay is accepted in society and being trans isnt.Evidently you are a liar.
>>534330060Wrong because I look like a woman and socially I am treated by the same framework that cis women are, and experience the same challenges
>>534330010Why do conservatives always imagine things happening in their own minds, and then automatically decide that's what actually happened?
>>534329232There are many questions trannies can't answer. If one's "gender identity" is truly who they are inside, why do "trans" people with dementia panic over the state of their body? Why was their "gender identity" forgotten?If "affirming" "transgender" identity prevents suicide, why do multiple long-term studies show suicide rates remain 19 times higher than the general population after "transition"? Because of discrimination? Then why did black slaves in America have lower rates of suicide?If "transphobia" is the cause of mental health issues, why do countries with the highest "transgender" acceptance (like Sweden) still show the highest post-"transition" suicide rates?Why do large clinical samples of "trans youth" show dramatically elevated rates of prior sexual trauma, eating disorders, and same-sex attraction, yet the standard protocol is affirmation-only rather than trauma-informed therapy?If "transgender" identity is a normal, healthy variation, why does it cluster so strongly with neurodevelopmental disorders and psychiatric conditions that impair reality-testing?Why do "transgender" people commit a disproportionate number of sexual crimes (molestation, voyeurism, public indecency, prostitution, etc.)?Why do activists campaign for "neurodiversity" while forcing neurodivergent people - especially those with autism - to agree with transgender ideology or face social ostracism and cancellation?If activists champion neurodiversity and protection of autistic youth from harmful stereotypes and experimental interventions, why does "transgender" identification show such extreme correlation with autism yet rely on rigid sexist stereotypes for "affirmation" rather than evidence-based therapy?Why do activists cry about "trans genocide" when the absolute number of transgender homicides remains statistically low and most are committed by LGBT partners/acquaintances rather than random societal "transphobia"?
>>534329934Genuine question: Do you believe you are a woman? As in, a biological woman. Not mentally or spiritually.
>>534329860>I probably contributed to him killing himself indirectly.
>>534330154Because if they had to acknowledge reality their fake internet argument would fall apart
>>534330150>I am treated by the same framework that cis women are, and experience the same challengesPatient is literally delusional. Nurse get them internet access stat!
>>534330103>>534330154Who said I'm conservative?Look at you being a hypocrite and accusing me of what you're doing. Lol stupid shit
>>534324594Yes, yes, and it's because they were lied to and duped into mutilating themselves.
>>534324594Nobody wants to be near them so it can’t be bullying.
>>534330207Like pretending you're a woman?
>>534330182I believe I have female secondary sex characteristics, experience female socialization, am treated like a woman. I believe that as a societal function I am a woman since I am treated as one.
>>534330172You nailed it
>>534330242I use conservative as shorthand for broadly retarded right wing ideology.I don't have to use it that way if you don't want me to. What do you identify as, Mr. Snowflake? Any pronouns I should be aware of?
>>534330317>I believeYou have a diagnosed mental disorder.
>>534324594Cuz they cut off their dicks and tits, tf you mean?
>>534324594it's because they're mentally illduh
>>534330317I don't mean to be rude but you completely side stepped my question. Do you believe you are a biological woman?
>>534330317>I believe I have female secondary sex characteristicsFemale secondary sex characteristics are physical traits that emerge during puberty to distinguish females from males.So no, you don't
>>534330356Yes I do its called gender dysphoria and its alleviated by taking estrogen and transitioning
>>534330340>gets pissy when demonstrated a hypocrite There's nothing honest about you
>>534330376No offence take, I answered it that way specifically to avoid this sort of response from you: >>534330356Yes I believe I am a woman since I feel so much better about myself and my life since making the changes to align my biology and appearance with my mental state
>>534330404>Yes I do So your beliefs are irrelevant. You are mad.
>>534330420>pissyHuh? I'm asking you about your identity, because you got very cranky when I identified you incorrectly. I didn't say I was mad about anything.
>>534330379Oh so you just dont know how horomone receptors work?
>>534324594>Why do transgender people have higher suicide rates?Its what the jews are doing to all their victims.Everyone demoralized by the jews is on a path to hell and perdition which is exactly what the jews want for the goyim.
>>534330150Trust me, that's what all trannies say when someone calls them out. "I thought I passed really well!" No you don't. You pressure us into lying to you, which is far different from us actually believing it. You think you look and act like us, but you stick out like a sore thumb. I can easily tell whether someone is a woman or a man simply based on how they type. You don't pass even through text. That's why you're on /pol/, 99.5% male. Because you are a man.
>>534330483None of these people spend 1 second reading about anything lol. It really tells you how desperately their ideology clings to life.
>>534330150just because you stand in a garage doesn't automaticlaly make you a car
>>534330451>Yes I believe I am a womanThat's not what they asked. Do you believe you're a biological woman?>>534330478>doubles down on hypocrisy Kek, keep doing bro
>>534324594Because they want something that can never be achieved. The AGP ones, probably because they have sexual crimes about to be jailed for.
>>534330483You clearly don't lol >>534330540Neither does this clown show
>>534330594Explain it to us then :)
>>534330451Thank you for answering. I disagree with you on this but regardless of what people say here, I don't hate you or think you don't deserve to exist. I think our society has much bigger problems that a small majority of people with Gender Dysmorphia.
>>534330617Try explaining what I said here was wrong :^)>>534330379>Female secondary sex characteristics are physical traits that emerge during puberty to distinguish females from males.
>>534324594Because their sexuality is a symptom of mental illness.
>>534330617So you don't believe you are a biological woman then.
>>534330451you are a disgusting faggot who will be rightfully beaten to a pulp when you go in the girls bathroom with the wrong father around. you will never pass.
>>534330644Than*
I use tinder and I find it unbelievely sad that I will every once and awhile find a tranny on there. They make the concious decision to put themselves as woman seeking men knowing it would disgust every single man that comes across their profile.
>>534324594>Is it bullying? Does trannyism make them depressed?Be mentally ill. Body Dysmorphia or Schizophrenia. Be told that you are fine, just trapped in the wrong body.Cut off cock, get bleeding open wound to replace it.Still ill because the problem was never addressed but now you can't even jack off,or have an orgasm at all.Phantom pain from the amputation and then you have to dilate.Forever.Suck the Iron Cock and blow your brains out to stop the pain.
>>534330661Taking estrogen causes a person to go through female puberty because human horomone receptors accept both testosterone and estrogen regardless of chromosomes>>534330644Thats okay to disagree, thank you for reasonabky engaging with me. I agree that we have far bigger problems than a <1% mental ollness demographic
>>534330451real women don't post on 4chan coping like you are. they just live their life and use tiktok or whatever the fuck. is this true delusion you suffer from, do you seriously not get this?
>>534324594They cucked in the head and know it’s for th ex best
>>534330780>Taking estrogen causes a person to go through female pubertyNope. Estrogen does not cause a person to go through "female puberty" in the traditional sense of developing new skeletal structures, chromosomes etc.
>>534330728Actually lots of men are into it speaking from experience
>>534330709I'd feel safer around any basically tranny than a poltard who throws violent toddler tantrums. The psychopathic way you speak is enough to discard all of your opinions on the basis that any ideology you push has a high probability of being evil.
>>534330848They are gay men, like you
>>534330728apparently lesbian dating sites/apps are unusable now because of them, KEK>>534330848yes other disgusting diseased parasite-laden faggots exist. 99% of us are still repulsed by you and laugh our asses off when you see your repugnant visage
>>534330843Yes it does? Puberty is entirely based upon horomone exposure, not chromosomes.
>>534330317>I believe that as a societal function I am a woman since I am treated as one.They are being kind to you.Only you believe it.
>>534324594Takes a lot of balls to go through with this.
>>534330873>>534330913Goalposts
>>534330848>Actually lots of men are into it speaking from experienceYou've already contradicted yourself before in this thread.
>>534324594you have to pretty dumb as a misogynist to celebrate a high trans death rate…men commit suicide at a way higher rate than women so to mock people who have suicided is to buy into the idea that women are stronger emotionally than men. when we all know the reason is because men have it harder and at a certain point the stress makes a guy want to check out.
>>534330848they are gay men. so not normal. Congrats you matched a faggot, you and I both know you want a real man and real men are disgusted by you.
>>534330870>i feel safer around weak people than strong peoplegreat observatoin
>>534331002>>534330975Goalposts
>>534330873>>534330913>can't answer the question>use mental gymnastics to scramble reality around>"th-that doesn't count!!!!"
>>534330848>Actually lots of men are into it speaking from experienceFaggot taking your ass for a test-drive.Not the flex you think it is.
>>534331010not an argument faggot try again
>>534330936>Yes it does?Nope. You are absolutely fucking clueless lolYou never have never will experience a female puberty Because you are not a biological woman
>>534330961kek. your argument that "lots of men" are into it is retarded. "lots of men" would fuck the women on my 600lb life, doesn't mean the vast majority of humanity doesn't gag at the idea
>>534331033Goalposts
>>534331010>GoalpostsBeing a poor liar isn't a goalpost.
>>534330961>spouts random words in a cope. You're a gay man.
Damn none of you really want a good faith discussion huh?
>this will never be you, tranny
>>534330780Just remember that you can click the little [ X ] in the top right corner at any time and go play vidya, draw, pet a cat, whatever. This place has a way of sucking the soul out of you if you stay too long.
>>534330483>>534330540Both of you fold the moment you're confronted by someone who actually does do research. Even a woman can easily defeat you in an argument because trannyism is just that untruthful. That's why it requires heavy censorship.It's not possible to be born in the wrong body. A male cannot grow a "female heart" because every heart cell carries XY instructions and was exposed to male hormone pattern development. Imagine claiming "I have a female liver in a male body" without a transplant, it's literally absurd. The same is true for the brain, as it's an organ regardless of how complicated it is. When surgeons cut the bridge between brain hemispheres, each half can show its own preferences or knowledge. Your sense of a singular "mind" is an illusion produced by billions of neural interactions. The hypothalamus, amygdala, cortex, everything that makes you "you", is all wired and sized under the influence of a prenatal testosterone surge (or lack thereof). This is why putting children on blockers makes their IQ drop and causes them to fall behind developmentally. The parts of the brain critical for emotional regulation, memory, and overall social stability are especially affected. GnRH agonists (blockers) decrease amygdala and hippocampal volume. These changes can't be reversed. Interestingly, smaller amygdala volumes also appear in PTSD, depression, and anxiety disorders. You destroy normal emotional regulation and then blame us when you're neurotic.Scientists found that the effects of the Y chromosome on brain function operate independently of gonadal hormones, so no amount of titty skittles will ever make you perceive reality the way we do.You expect people not to distinguish between us and you, but it will never happen because you are incapable of acting like us. You ARE the set of physical organ processes, and it was decided before your heart even started to beat.You will never experience womanhood. It is reserved for us forever. Cope.
>>534331011>>can't answer the questionWhat question?
>>534324594
>>534326368If you chopped it off you would be thinking about if quite a bit. You don't think about your eyes either, but I bet you would if I gouged them out.
>>534331044Okay so we are back to 5 posts ago where you clearly just dont know how horomone receptors work.
because they cannot sing like justin bieber which is the whole point
>>534331056>GoalpostsHonest question, do they fuck your ass or neo-pussy? I'm curious.
Troon drugs and puberty blockers are GnRH agonists/antagonists (Leuprolide/Lupron, triptorelin, goserelin). These are the same medications used for androgen deprivation therapy (ADT) in prostate cancer patients and for treating precocious puberty in children. Sex hormones are critical for brain development during puberty.>Three years after treatment, the group as a whole had experienced a loss in both performance IQ and full scale IQ, with a decline of 7 points in the latter. While the average loss of IQ points was 7, it is noteworthy that at least one patient in this study experienced a significant loss of 15 points or more.>In animal studies, the results indicate that treatment with a GnRH antagonist/agonist has a detrimental impact on learning and the development of social behaviours and responses to stress in mammals. In male sheep, impairments in spatial memory associated with the treatment were not fully reversed following discontinuation of treatment. Significant effects of treatment were also evident on measures of brain structure including overall volume, functional connectivity, and neuronal density.https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/apa.17150>58 men starting ADT vs. 84 prostate cancer controls + 88 healthy men. Formal cognitive testing showed ADT patients were 70% more likely to have cognitive impairment at 6 months and more than twice as likely at 12 months. Men on GnRH analogues ± anti-androgens showed declines in verbal memory, visuospatial function, and executive function within months; ADT patients had clinically significant drops in at least one domain.https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12175403/>ADT linked to worse visuomotor/visuospatial performance, verbal/visual memory deficits, and increased dementia/Alzheimer's risk (1.5-2.5x in some large cohorts)https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7489824/
>>534324594Probably bullying and them being cut off from their families and support system. I know when they get gender affirming care that suicide rate drop significantly. I suppose it makes sense if you feel you were born in the wrong body you would want to respawn in the right one.
>>534331144You're projecting again. You've been duped. You will never be a biological woman. You will never experience a female puberty You know this too
>>534331006The weakest person in that scenario is the poltard, given the violent toddler tantrum. Violent toddler tantrums are a consequence of extreme emotional sensitivity.It's good that you let me know you were unaware of this, given the overwhelmingly high levels of emotional thinking in right wing movements. Everyone should be aware this is happening.
>>534331144you have the fragrance of a male. your skeletal structure is that of a male. your mind, although seriously ill, works as a mans does. the one thing i take solace in is that your lineage is dead.
Male to female transgenders, as shown by brain comparisons, have male brains, not female brains. It is impossible to have a male body and a female brain.https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21467211/“The vast majority of troon prisoners, 85%, were convicted of violent crimes that caused death “or serious harm” to their victims (58% of whom were children or women).”https://torontosun.com/news/national/study-finds-nearly-45-of-trans-women-inmates-convicted-of-sex-crimes16% of trannies have been sent to jail or prison, compared to 2.7% of the general populationhttps://web.archive.org/web/20170117112828/http://www.avp.org/storage/documents/Training%20and%20TA%20Center/FORGE_Trans_People_Police_Incarceration_Facts.pdfTrannies were more likely to be associated with bullying others than the contrary.https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2020.612424/full#h449.6% (half) of trannies in prison have been convicted of sex offending.https://fairplayforwomen.com/transgender-male-criminality-sex-offences/48% of TIMs have been convicted of one or more sexual offenses vs. 19% of all prisoners are serving time for a sexual offensehttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42221629.ampMul D et al. (2001):https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11683207/In 25 girls treated with GnRHa for central precocious puberty, intelligence quotient levels decreased significantly (average ~7-point drop after 3 years of treatment).Cass Review Final Report (2024):https://cass.independent-review.uk/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/CassReview_Final.pdf"The systematic reviews commissioned found the evidence base for puberty blockers, including effects on cognitive and neuropsychological development during puberty, to be insufficient".
>>534331207>So now all trans people ay my school have to use the bathroom that matches their sex.they are becoming aware
The best research on gender-affirming care among adolescents found no mental health improvement and the most pronounced increases in mental healthcare for adjustment, anxiety, mood, personality, psychotic disorders, and suicidal ideation/attempted suicide.https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34247956/Dr. Riittakerttu Kaltiala, Finnish adolescent psychiatrist and pioneer of gender clinics, concluded from clinical experience that gender-affirming care harms more than helps adolescents. “Sometimes the young people insisted their lives had improved... But as a medical doctor, I could see that they were doing worse.”https://thefp.com/p/gender-affirming-care-is-not-the-solutionStudies presenting the benefits of sex reassignment to mental health, including suicide prevention claims, are low or very low quality and rely on biased methods. These treatments do not meet Generally Accepted Professional Medical Standards and are experimental.https://archive.ph/BfjlXMississippi review of evidence agrees with the Florida review of evidence.https://scribd.com/document/626078240/Mississippi-Review-of-EvidenceOver 50 percent of Canadian gender clinics per WPATH data require no formal psychological assessment before prescribing puberty blockers or hormones.https://transyouthcan.ca/results/wpath-surveyThe Cass Review 2024 the most comprehensive independent review of gender identity services for children and young people found the evidence for puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones is weak and of poor quality. Blockers do not improve gender dysphoria or body satisfaction, compromise bone density, show insufficient evidence of mental health benefits, and nearly all youth proceed to hormones without a pause to think. It recommends against routine use and a holistic approach instead.https://cass.independent-review.uk/home/publications/final-report/
>>534331128>If you chopped it off you would be thinking about if quite a bit.At first maybe, but then I would adapt and start thinking about it 10% of the day again, or less.I value much more about myself, and my life, than my pens. That's not really in question.
>>534331207See I am an atheist and I can't stand these people
Adjusted Odds Ratios revealed significantly higher odds of ever experiencing suicidal ideation in those who planned to transition.https://liebertpub.com/doi/10.1089/lgbt.2020.0231Gender-Affirming Surgery Leaves People Lonelier and Depressed, Study by Transgender Surgery Department Chairman Finds.https://dailysignal.com/2023/06/02/transgender-surgery-leaves-people-lonelier-depressed-study-by-transgender-surgery-department-chairman-finds/The FDA added a warning that gender-affirming drugs can cause dangerous brain swelling treatment may also interfere with rational decision-making.https://thepostmillennial.com/maker-of-puberty-blockers-funded-the-dutch-study-that-kicked-off-gender-affirming-care-for-kidsA pharmaceutical company that marketed triptorelin as a puberty blocker funded the original Dutch study that led to gender-affirming care for minors.https://tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/26895269.2022.2108353https://genspect.org/the-dutch-model/Gender services for minors expanded rapidly in Australia despite limited evidence Queensland plus 485 percent 2017-2022 Victoria plus 273 percent 2019-2023. The gender-affirming model requires clinicians not to question unstable gender identity even with severe mental illness.https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/10398562241289488The European Society of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry states providers must not promote experimental transition treatments with unproven effects and must follow first do no harm. Puberty blocking harms psychosocial development due to unstable gender dysphoria diagnosis in children.https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00787-023-02303-0Gender medicine for children rests on shaky foundations.https://bmj.com/content/385/bmj.p1662Pediatrician debunks the myth that puberty blockers are reversible.https://archive.ph/9KHXYLupron used for chemical castration of sex offenders is also used as a puberty blocker.https://archive.ph/x8Q0X
>>534331239>you have the fragrance of a maleActually this is dictated by active sex horomone in your system
You will never be a real woman. You have no womb, you have no ovaries, you have no eggs. You are a homosexual man twisted by drugs and surgery into a crude mockery of nature’s perfection.All the “validation” you get is two-faced and half-hearted. Behind your back people mock you. Your parents are disgusted and ashamed of you, your “friends” laugh at your ghoulish appearance behind closed doors.Men are utterly repulsed by you. Thousands of years of evolution have allowed men to sniff out frauds with incredible efficiency. Even trannies who “pass” look uncanny and unnatural to a man. Your bone structure is a dead giveaway. And even if you manage to get a drunk guy home with you, he’ll turn tail and bolt the second he gets a whiff of your diseased, infected axe wound.You will never be happy. You wrench out a fake smile every single morning and tell yourself it’s going to be ok, but deep inside you feel the depression creeping up like a weed, ready to crush you under the unbearable weight.Eventually it’ll be too much to bear - you’ll buy a rope, tie a noose, put it around your neck, and plunge into the cold abyss. Your parents will find you, heartbroken but relieved that they no longer have to live with the unbearable shame and disappointment. They’ll bury you with a headstone marked with your birth name, and every passerby for the rest of eternity will know a man is buried there. Your body will decay and go back to the dust, and all that will remain of your legacy is a skeleton that is unmistakably male.
A 2003 New England Journal of Medicine study found Lupron caused osteopenia and excessive bone loss in some children with lifetime fracture risk outweighing benefits.https://archive.ph/H0JfdTriptorelin used to castrate sex offenders is also used as a puberty blocker.https://tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/0092623X.2010.498375Puberty blockers are irreversible due to negative impacts on bone density and child growth.https://binary.org.au/new_studies_prove_puberty_blockers_are_not_reversible/Puberty blockers do not alleviate negative thoughts in gender-dysphoric children and instead reduce height and bone strength.https://bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n486Puberty blockers significantly decrease bone density.https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32832823/Puberty blockers negatively impact bone mineral density especially at the lumbar spine.https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34497118/Puberty blockers have a negative impact on bone mineral density especially at the lumbar spine.https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36048500/Pubertal suppression decreases growth and height velocity.https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34315674/Leuprorelin, a puberty blocker, very negatively affects cognitive ability in developing children’s brains.https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12175403/The NHS reversed its claim that puberty blockers are fully reversible and now lists extensive side effects for blockers and cross-sex hormones including infertility.https://spectator.co.uk/article/the-nhs-has-quietly-changed-its-tune-on-puberty-blockers/Boston Children’s Hospital claimed puberty blockers are completely reversible while its director admitted they cause infertility.https://breitbart.com/health/2022/10/31/boston-childrens-hospital-claims-puberty-blockers-completely-reversible-director-admits-cause-infertility/
>>534331329>Actually this is dictated by active sex horomone in your systemSo you smell like a gay man
>>534331107>titty skittleskek
>>534331367No because gay men have testosterone in their system and not estrogen
>>534331367Gay men have typically have normal, or higher than normal, levels of testosterone.
>>534331144>Men have estrogen so this means they can be women or something This is really the best you can do? This is the "advanced biology" you faggots-with-extra-steps are always bragging about?Yeah men have estrogen and women have testosterone, both are necessary for any body to function. That doesn't mean flooding your body with hormones you don't produce in excess naturally makes you a woman, anymore than taking psychedelics and agonizing serotonin receptors makes me a fucking machine elf. I can tell by how you talk that you have a very surface level understanding of how rEcEpToRs work and are just regurgitating some shit you read on wikipedia.
>>534331429Go back and read the chain you are replying to, the other anon said that I cannot have female secondary sex characteristics which is just blatantly false since exogeneous estrogen and testosterone suppression causes a person born as male to go through female puberty
Over 25,000 adverse reports including 1,500 deaths exist for Lupron products. It is the top prescribed puberty blocker for gender transition.https://coreysdigs.com/health-science/lupron-and-the-25000-adverse-event-reports-fda-failure-to-warn/Hormone therapy in youth showed no statistically significant mental health improvement but increased suicidal ideation self-harm and suicide attempts.https://publications.aap.org/pediatrics/article/150/2/e2021056084/188709/Suicidality-and-Depression-in-Transgender-YouthCross-sex hormones alter the brain creating the illusion of trans brains in research. Trans brains do not exist.https://eje.bioscientifica.com/view/journals/eje/175/4/R199.xmlNo significant difference in depressive symptoms or psychological adjustment between TIMs with and without hormonal treatment.https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/6667109Obesity rates rise sharply after starting hormone therapy. 25% to 30% in TIFs, 39% to 52% in TIMs. This is a common indicator of poor mental health.https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34400797/Exogenous estrogen in TIM transsexuals increases breast cancer risk.https://ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25415740A review of 14 studies on depression/suicidality found hormone/surgery treatments mostly ineffective. One large study showed significant negative changes.https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/cobi.12378Cross-sex hormones did not improve functioning or relieve psychiatric comorbidities in gender-dysphoric adolescentshttps://tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/0092623X.2016.1228552Troon surgery linked to 1,200% higher suicide attempt risk vs. no surgery emergency visits and 470% higher vs. sterilization procedures.https://cureus.com/articles/201516Danish long-term follow-up found sex reassignment surgery over 32 years did not improve mental illness rates and may have negative effects.https://tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.3109/08039488.2011.628952
>>534331399Wrong again dummy, because it misrepresents human endocrinology; all men, regardless of sexual orientation, produce both testosterone and estrogen>>534331417So you agree your tranny friend is wrong Thanks lol
>>534330644>I think our society has much bigger problems that a small majority of people with Gender Dysmorphia.Disingenuous take on the problem society has. You're not allowed to distinguish between men who are dysphoric, and men who get off on dressing like women and forcing actual women to call them a woman. To the activists, you shouldn't have a right to distinguish the dysphoric from the AGPs. Because that's bigotry, o algo.
>>534331528Active sex horomone is what I saud although dominant or expressed might be better words
>>534331518>said that I cannot have female secondary sex characteristicsCorrect. Because you're not a female. Your a man who has man tits and more fat now.Good job
>>534331528>So you agree your tranny friend is wrongIf you're too stupid to respond to what I wrote, you can just say so. No need to manufacture ghosts in your head to argue with.
CMS analysis of 33 studies on sex reassignment surgery found results inconsistent and negative in the best-designed studies.https://cms.gov/medicare-coverage-database/view/ncacal-decision-memo.aspx?proposed=N&ncaid=282No improvement in psychological functioning six months post-surgery.https://tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/0092623X.2016.1228552Longitudinal study sex reassignment surgery has no positive effects on quality of life.https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29128275/Post-op troon group showed higher depression and lower relationship satisfaction versus pre-op.https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2001-03048-001University review of more than 100 studies shows no robust evidence that gender reassignment surgery is clinically effective. Many remain distressed or suicidal.https://theguardian.com/society/2004/jul/10/health.medicineandhealthSex reassignment does not improve psychopathology rates.https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11089727/Mental illness rates among trans people remain high at all transition stages.https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15865950/Sex reassignment surgery is not the treatment of choice and causes progressive psychological dysfunction.https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/3998721/Sex reassignment surgery not associated with better quality of life or mental health.https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23943260/Trend of worsening well-being over 5-year follow-up post-surgery.https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28603386Cross-sex hormones not linked to better mental health. TIFs on hormones scored worse on pain and mental health.https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25270637/Post-sex-reassignment transsexuals have higher risks of mortality suicidal behavior and psychiatric morbidity. Surgery does not suffice as treatment.https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0016885Swedish follow-up, suicide rate is 20 times higher than normal 10 - 15 years post-surgery.https://thepublicdiscourse.com/2015/06/15145/
>>534331598Do you believe you're a biological woman?
>>534331615Thanks again for agreeing that your tranny friend was wrong
>>534331600Why dont you ask grok to explain it to you since you clearly are not trusting my explanation?
>>534331417There's no research that says this
>>534331707I hope one day there's a literacy test requirement for entry to social media websites. There are far too many people just like you who can't track any part of a conversation, or really ever actually talk about anything.
>>534331662>Do you believe you're a biological woman?None of them do. If they did the "Trans" prefix would not exist.
20 percent discontinuation rate, 18 percent complication rate, 37 percent out-of-target hormone levels during treatment.https://mdpi.com/2227-9032/10/1/138Transgender surgery provides no mental health benefit.https://thepublicdiscourse.com/2020/09/7129615 years post-operation quality of life lower in general health role physical and personal limitations.https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18990387/47 percent dependent on social support post-surgery versus 41 percent pre-surgery.https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9075286/50 percent complication rate, 14 percent major/severe for vaginoplasty.https://bjui-journals.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1046/j.1464-410x.2001.02240.xPeople undergoing trans surgery had 12.12-fold higher suicide attempt risk 3.47 percent versus 0.29 percent.https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/38699117/Follow-up of 17 transsexuals 5-20 years post-op most MTFs showed deteriorated quality of life, high welfare dependence, sexual dysfunction, anxiety/depression/addiction, and regret. FTM results slightly better but still poor.https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9789272/Long-term observation of post-sex-change patients, expectations unfulfilled with somatic sexual social and severe psychologic complications including regret and suicidal thoughts. Surgery is counterproductive.https://tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.3109/08039488.2011.628952May 2023 study social transition of children has no significant positive effect on mental health.https://archive.ph/ajE3kSocial transition does not improve mental health outcomes in gender-dysphoric children.https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33081539/Trans-identifying people with dementia often revert to biological sex and express dismay over altered bodies showing biological sex identity is more stable than transgender identity.https://web.archive.org/web/20230804131538/https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10405788/
this tranny is almost making me feel bad for leafs for giving them a bad name. christ it's fucking bleak up there.
>>534331730Bro, anyone can get bigger boobs and more fat lol. Again, you've been duped >>534331795It's amazing how much you and your tranny bro are wrong l
>>534331779>There's no research that says thisIt's logical, they keep getting testosterone injections if you know what I mean.
>>534331887Kek
>>534331847>no arguments>exclusively emotional reasoningI love how "feelings over facts" is the new right-wing mantra.
Reminder that trannies have a massive victim complex.>Only 32 transgender people killed in the US in 2022. The murder rate about 2 per 100,000.https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/transgender-people-killed-us-2022-103000000>The general population's murder rate was 6.45, thus trannies are about 3 times less likely to be murdered.https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/publications/trans-murder-rates-us/>"The overall homicide rate of transgender individuals was likely to be less than that of non-trans individuals."https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28727530/>"The majority of troon prisoners, 85%, were convicted of violent crimes that caused death “or serious harm” to their victims (58% of whom were children or women)."https://torontosun.com/news/national/study-finds-nearly-45-of-trans-women-inmates-convicted-of-sex-crimes16% of trannies have been sent to jail or prison, compared to 2.7% of the general population.https://web.archive.org/web/20170117112828/http://www.avp.org/storage/documents/Training%20and%20TA%20Center/FORGE_Trans_People_Police_Incarceration_Facts.pdf
>>534331873You clearly arent interested in arguing in good faith, maybe someday you will reflect on how you choose to treat and engage with people
>>534324594Imagine if you climb out the cave and its the fucking vacuum of outerspace lol Trannies think they know but they dont even have oxygen
>>534331978only a genuine retard would sit here and still seriously "argue" with a fucking tranny in 2026i will simply continue to laugh at you and your kind and bully you faggots to suicide.
>>534331978I've posted tons of facts. Why don't you refute any of them? Is it because you're not able to?What makes you faggots a "woman" anyway? I am a woman because I was born female. There is nothing else to it. It doesn't matter how I dress, how I talk, what colors I like, what toys I preferred as a child, or anything else. You are not female, so you are not a woman. End of story. Nobody should be forced to play pretend with you.
>>534332019>You clearly arent interested in arguing in good faithHow so? By proving your nonsense wrong ? >maybe someday you will reflect on how you choose to treat and engage with peopleSomething you clearly lack
>>534332019I plan on teaching my children to hate you.
>>534327274>this post is about *unsubstantiated head canon*Sounds about right for a tranny Canuck. By the way, there's no such thing as a "passing" tranny.
>>534332104Based.
>>534332104>>534332138based lady genuinely worthy of respect.
>>534332138And when they meet me they wont even know to hate :)we arent responding to you because you are dumping gpt generated walls of text nonstop that we arent reading
>>534332242>And when they meet me they wont even know to hate :)Everyone knows >we arent responding to you Because science refutes you
>>534324594Bottom surgery is extremely painful for life. There's a reason most ladyboys, even if they can afford it, don't do it.
>>534332078You keep using emotional reasoning as if you believe that it's how logic is conducted. >>534332104>I've posted tons of facts.Yeah, I saw the links to the studies that you cherrypicked and/or misinterpreted. You didn't acknowledge any evidence that could contradict any of it, naturally, so I have no reason to take your thoughts or sources as a meaningfully reliable source of information.This is all stuff you should have learned in high school, by the way. Like, the most baseline tools to control for your own personal biases is a thing 16 year olds learn.
>>534332304>Everyone knowsLook who denies reality now lol
Is the catalog broken for anyone else?
What's the best way to get troons to an hero? Asking for a friend.
>>534332172It's not even being based, it's just 1 + 1 = 2. Lying to trannies in order to appease them only makes them feel good in the short term. It causes their destruction long term.Autogynephilia functions more like an addiction than an orientation or identity. Dissociation is the source of the "high" for the AGP. He'd achieve that perfect bliss in embodying any role that was deeply not him. The tranny sees the opposite sex as another species, not just people who happen to be born in a certain way. He must "other" the opposite sex in order to reach that non-self place.To access "gender euphoria", everyone they interact with has to speak and behave as though they're women. Otherwise, they're stuck crossdressing at home or in CD/kink groups. And that really limits how much they can up their dosage, and how often they can dose.We are animated props for the role-play scenario that lets these people access a specific mental state. We're set pieces, and the whole world becomes their drug. If you speak or act wrong (according to tranny culture rules), you have become the thing standing in between an addict and their fix. You cannot satisfy an addict. It's not chemically possible. Trying to do so doesn't help them and isn't good for you.
>>534332334>and/or misinterpretedDemonstrate the supposed misrepresentation You won't though
>>534332381So you agree you're not a biological woman then?
>>534332242>And when they meet me they wont even know to hateChildren are always disgusted by trannies.
>>534331978>I love how "feelings over facts" is the new right-wing mantra.Being a woman isn't a feeling. It's a biological reality.
>>534332334What evidence that could contradict it? There isn't any. It's all easily refuted.Why do major "trans" organizations (WPATH, AAP, Endocrine Society) continue to cite low-quality or retracted studies while ignoring or attacking high-quality systematic reviews (Cass Review, Swedish, Finnish, Norwegian) that reach opposite conclusions?If the science is settled, why do activists respond to every critical study with demands for censorship, deplatforming, or accusations of "hate" rather than better data?Why is it acceptable for activists to cite the same small handful of activist-affiliated studies for decades while dismissing every European country’s reversal of youth medicalization as "right-wing politics"?
>>534332417That's because you've already showed me that you don't actually read about any of this.You exclusively cited evidence that supports your worldview, and literally nothing else. If your citations are the only reading you've done, then you aren't equipped with the knowledge to discuss the topic at any level of depth.
>>534332662>You exclusively cited evidence that supports your worldviewNo shit you retard, that's her presenting evidence for you to debate.
>>534332242>And when they meet me they wont even know to hate :)
>>534332706> that's her presenting evidence for you to debate.Why would I debate someone who doesn't read anything about the topic of the debate?
>>534332662>That's because You can't and now you cope.Simple as>you've already showed me that you don't actually read about any of thisShow me the data that backs this claim>>534331417>Gay men have typically have normal, or higher than normal, levels of testosterone.Specifically the higher than normal part.
>>534332759You sure do project a lot
>>534332768>Show me the data that backs this claimYour citations include an exceedingly narrow range of the available literature. We can infer the data based on how the total volume of relevant literature available is significantly larger than the myopic sample you included in your post.
>>534332759>Why would I debate someone who doesn't read anything
>>534332846>We can infer the data based on how the total volume of relevant literature available is significantly larger than the myopic sample you included in your post.Self-referentialism.
>>534332662Because my worldview is based in reality and observable evidence. You have not provided me with any concrete evidence of what you say. You cannot even define what a woman is in the first place. Why should anyone take you seriously?
>>534332846Again, where is the data to back your claim?
>>534332926You didn't address any of my questions, btw. Just letting you know, since you folks appear to struggle with recognizing the difference between talking to someone in your own head, and having a conversation with another person.
>>534333046>You didn't address any of my questions, btw. Just letting you know, since you folks appear to struggle with recognizing the difference between talking to someone in your own head, and having a conversation with another personHas to be trolling at this stage.
>>534333098If that's what you need to support your self-esteem, I'll let you have it.
>>534333046Which questions? I just skimmed every post by your ID and you haven't asked me a single question. An ID is that string of letters and numbers after the "Anonymous" tab, if you're having trouble.The entire argument for gender ideology hinges "Gender is a social construct, therefore it can be changed at will."A social construct is an idea created and agreed upon by society, by definition. It requires societal buy-in to function. However, the vast majority of society believes gender = sex. Your view of gender is increasingly irrelevant to most people's understanding of being a man or a woman.Therefore, gender ideology is no longer functioning as a social construct. It dissolves entirely.
>>534333149Anon, try writing out your questions again.
>>534333046>You didn't address any of my questions, btwWhy can't you answer any of mine?>inb4 more cope
>>534333183>the vast majority of society believes gender = sex.I agree with this. But we determine gender based on the social construct, because we don't penis inspect 99% of the people we meet. Sex is largely irrelevant unless you're their doctor.
>>534333275Anon, the vast majority of people believe gender = sex. They do not believe in the concept of "gender identity". They do not believe a man can become a woman. So the social construct you base your identity on does not exist to begin with.>A social construct is an idea, category, or meaning created and sustained through collective agreement.People clearly do not collectively agree with you or the concept you are trying to argue for.
>>534333275>But we determine gender based on the social constructWhich is predicated on biological sex.So sex and gender are essentially synonymous.>because we don't penis inspect 99% of the people we meetDon't really need too. Most of the time it's obvious and even more so with troons
>>534333401How did any of this address what I wrote in my post? You're just repeating the same talking points that I already responded to.
>>534333429>>534333401>we can always tell
>>534333483It's glaringly obvious, something you yourself alluded to earlier in this thread.
>>534333429>Which is predicated on biological sex.It's informed by biological sex, but it isn't the only pre-requisite. I know people like you think you can see into everyone's pants, but there are many, many cases where people as stupid as you have accused biological women of being trannies. It's not even uncommon.
>>534333483Pretty much.
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>>534333469Sex is incredibly relevant, and also pretty easy to guess. If it weren't relevant, why do you demand access to spaces built specifically for the female *sex*? Why do you try to alter your sexual characteristics? You're here on /pol/ instead of Tumblr, Tiktok, or Instagram because you don't think like women do.
>>534333275>But we determine gender based on the social construct, because we don't penis inspect 99% of the people we meetNo. You made up that gender is a social construct. Then you claimed 'identifying' as your gender being 'woman', is valid. Now trans again push further. The consensus now is that they don't 'identify as', they now 'are'. No, Sir. You're a man. Always have been, always will be. Letting trans activists play semantics, was a mistake. At most, you're 'identifying as'. You aren't and can never be a woman. Regardless of your clothing or plastic surgery choices.
>>534333614>Tranny invoking survivorship biasWell, that's ironic.
>>534333558>It's informed by biological sexThanks for agreeing >goes into a nonsensical strawman This idiot doesn't think there are characteristics outside of genitals that can detect sex.You act and argue like a looney Christian
>>534333623>and also pretty easy to guess.Then why do you guess wrong so often? I'm a white cis man with a penis, but people on this forum hallucinate that I'm literally everything other than that.Right wing people think biological women are trannies very regularly, and they've started harassing them in women's bathrooms now.
>>534333643You didn't address any of my arguments and instead just had an emotional tantrum again. You should really try to improve your communication skills. It's pretty bad at this point.
>>534333643>one day the medical procedures will improve and I'll be able to be completely indistinguishable from a real woman!>My age? Well I turn 42 in 3 weeks.
>>534333661>This idiot doesn't think there are characteristics outside of genitals that can detect sexComing from the guy that has repeatedly demonstrated he doesnt know how sex horomone expression worked and plugged his ears and cried when confronted about it
>>534333692>I'm a white cis man with a penisYou act like deluded tranny, no shit everyone thinks you are one.
>>534333692>Then why do you guess wrong so often?I don't. That's another lie you clowns push
>>534333661>>534333776Can you not track what I'm saying? These are all emotional arguments that attempt to manipulate the conversation away from having to address what I wrote.
>>534333745So you agree you're not a biological woman?
>>534333401Yes a social construct typically is agreed on by many. Congratulations
>>534333692Because some people are retarded. It really is that simple. >If the Earth is round and most people know that, how come flat earthers exist, huh? The entirety of trans ideology is corrupt. >"The sensuality that spontaneously unfolds between a child and an adult is something beautiful." - Volkmar Sigusch, who coined the term cissexual as an antonym to transsexual
>>534333852>Can you not track what I'm saying?All your lies? Yeah I track them.
>>534333852>address what I wrote>It doesn't happen, you're talking shitIs addressing what you wrote.
>>534333924>Because some people are retarded.Then why do so many smart people also struggle with these biases?>>534333930>>534333949These posts are emotional manipulation from people who are too intellectually dishonest to have a curious conversation about anything.
>>534333852>These are all emotional arguments that attempt to manipulate...Reminds me of troons going "participate in my delusion or I will kill myself". You use the threat of suicide to force others into your desired behavior pattern. In any other context that is a severe personality disorder, why is it normal for a "transgender" person?
>>534333987You're projecting again
>>534333987>These posts are emotional manipulation from people who are too intellectually dishonestAnon, you claimed it's a common occurrence for women to be misidentfied as trannies. That's emotional manipulation.
>>534333870Not super interested in engaging with a gotcha like this given your track record of bad faith arguments.If I say yes: >ha so delusional and mentally illIf I say no:>see even you know you arent a real woman!If I answer a nuanced opinion:>Why are you avoiding the question tranny?Maybe if you attempted to make a good faith effort we could actually engage with you but that would require opening your mind to alternate perspectives and you are only interested in spreading false divison, hateful rhetoric, and an overly emotional ideology
>>534334063Of course you don't. You will never be a woman. Just a gimmick
>>534333987I can't think of any really smart people who actually mistake real women for trannies. Nothing comes to mind. Tell me, what is it that you have in common with me, tranny? A word is supposed to have meaning. Name something you have in common with all women.
>>534334170I am perceived as a woman by strangers
>>534334026This poster is currently emotionally dysregulated and the insults, fallacious reasoning, empty engagement, etc. is how they maintain their self-esteem when they're can't communicate with you productively>>534334043>you claimed it's a common occurrence for women to be misidentfied as trannies. I accurately made that claim, yes.>That's emotional manipulation.It's not emotional manipulation to acknowledge that people are frequently wrong about things they confidently believe. That's pretty much the basis of the MAGA movement, for example.
>>534334063>boo hood irs hateful if you don't lie to me and yourselfYou can identify and LARP as whatever you like bro. But I'm not obligated to play along or keep quiet.
>>534334195>I am perceived as a woman by strangersYou already alluded to that not being the case earlier in the thread.
>>534334211>I accurately made that claimNo. You lied. It's a rare occurrence.
>>534334170>I can't think of any really smart people who actually mistake real women for trannies.People with a high IQ are more likely to believe made up bullshit, ironically. They're the best at creating "logical" justifications for imaginary things. This is a well understood reality in IQ psychology, that you haven't ever read anything about.
>>534334222Where?
>>534334294>>534328232
>>534334195>39pbtid>>534334211>45pbtidwhat a great way for two xisters to spend a dilation sesh together. funsies!
>>534334195No you're not. People are just "being respectful".Name something we have in common. Don't think about other people or their opinions, think about you yourself. What traits do you have that I have? Anything?
>>534334399Can anyone translate this schizo gibberish for me? These people just type random sentences and expect everyone to think they're communicating something.
>>534334378People who knew me before (former friends and family) treat me poorly because they know, strangers who didnt know me before just treat me like a woman. Sorry for the confusion but I actually said this in the post you linked.
>>534334408>No you're notReality denial, sad
>>534334274I'm well aware a lot of trannies are autistic. It's just more proof for the pile that trannyism is a social contagion that preys on the vulnerable. Autism rates are around a third or higher in people diagnosed with "gender dysphoria", way higher than average. They get pulled into a script that promises the discomfort will disappear if they simply change their bodies and pronouns. It isn't true. They (and you) are being sold a lie.
>>534334467>strangers who didnt know me before just treat me like a woman. Because they view as a woman? No. It's because you're a stranger and it's polite. You're delusional.
>>534334467>strangers who didnt know me before just treat me like a womanThey know and you know you're not a biological woman.
>>534334546>>534334528So the reality denial claims from you all are just another projection
>>534334485So you agree you're not a biological woman then?
>>534334485It's always the same story. You think you pass, but you really don't.
>>534334573So you agree you're not a biological woman then?
>>534334487Did you respond to the wrong post? Nothing here attempts to address what I wrote.
just wondering, did anybody who isn't a mutilated faggot with a dead lineage have any trouble understanding this >>534334399 ?
>>534333726I stated facts. Trans activists 1. Advocate for gender and sex being officially declared as different things. 2. Since gender is now a social construct. I can self id as my gender being 'woman'. 3. I don't 'identify as', I'm actually a woman. 4. Pretend you didn't push for sex and gender being different things. 5. Because my gender is woman, that now also means I'm female. Indistinguishable from women. There's no 'woman' gender. There's no social construct than can turn a man (male) into a woman (female). You are a man that presents and acts as a woman. But that doesn't make you a woman. Is turkey bacon, bacon? Is diet soda, a sugary drink?
>>534334582See>>534334063
>>534334633Higher functioning autists usually have a higher than average IQ. Surely you know this?
>>534334639And who has the most posts in this topic, out of curiosity?
>>534334643You didn't state facts. More importantly, nothing in your post was a response to what I wrote. You started tantruming. That's the default when people like you can't engage with arguments on their own merit.
>>534334676So you do realize you're not a biological women then.
>>534334720some leaf faggot who's only use is so the rest of us can make bets between which of you two tranny freaks is going to neck HIMself first.
>>534334764>you can't engage with arguments on their own merit.Still waiting for you to back your claim that gay men have high testosterone
>>534334817Thats actually wrong, the most posts in this topic is from nKmKghtV (this poster >>534334632).
>>534334704I do know that. Why did you mention it, though? My post was about how being smart doesn't have a strong impact on your ability to accurately parse facts, and smart people think biological women are trannies all the time. This means your claim that only retarded people do this, is false.
>>534334841>I am entitled to you always accepting my talking points in good faith, even though I've never offered you that courtesy ever.
>>534334896you think cutting your cock off makes you female, i think 49 is higher than 71. the latter sounds more reasonable
>>534334896What can I say? I love dunking on troons like you
>>534334969Can't back your claim so you cope lol
>>534334676Notice how you avoid giving a solid answer for what should be a relatively simple question?Words have definitions.For example, a planet is a celestial body that orbits a star, is massive enough to be rounded by its own gravity, and has cleared its orbital neighborhood of other objects. All planets share these traits. I was born female, with a uterus, so I am a woman. You also claim to be a woman. But in order to group us all under one term, there has to be some sort of trait we share. Yet you cannot name anything. End of thread #101083475 where trannies try and fail to convince people they are women.
534335031Why do they always accuse you of what they're doing themselves? Like, blatantly and obviously, out in the open, without shame.
>>534334992>you think cutting your cock off makes you femaleAnd where did I say that?Oh wait I forgot the only two tricks you people have are reality denial and projection
>>534335067See>>534334063Not interested in engagin with your gotchas
>>534335073Look at you resort to being a coward and projection
>>534335090>Oh wait I forgot the only two tricks you people have are reality denial and projectionjust laughed my ass off, thanks
>>534335131Why is it a gotcha? Because you feel got? Makes sense.
>>534335131Because you're wrong.That's all that is to it.
>>534335168Okay so where did I say that cutting your cock off makes you a woman if you think my accusation was so funny?
534335134is it because they don't have self-awareness, or a theory of mind for other people, and think others will feel insecure about the same things they're insecure about?
>>534335213So you agree that there's nothing you can do that will make you a biological woman.
