US entry into WWII makes no fucking sense.>FDR wanted to go to war with Germany, so he provoked an attack from Japan>FDR declares war on Japan, but NOT Germany>Germany declares war on USA, so now FDR can go to war with GermanyLike it's so fucking complicated and convoluted and yet it still worked? How?
>if they attack you, we will attack them with you
>>534326162That's how most countries in both world wars were pulled into them. That's why they're called world wars. It's not because every country directly attacked every other country, it's all down to alliances.
>>534326162It makes a lot of sense actuallyCongress did not want to go to warBut then their country got attackedSo they all voted for a war
>>534326162I don’t think that’s very complex at all
>>534326162>Hey Japan, please stop committing the most heinous crimes in the entirety of the vast catalogue of human misery>No>Okay let's talk about this--hey wait why are you occupying invasion staging zones in French Indochina pointed directly at our treaty allies>FUCK YOU GAIJIN NIPPON BANZAI>okay we're not going to sell you any of our oil unless you back away from your literal invasion staging areas>FUCK YOU THIS IS WAR (said after simultaneously attacking 11 different military targets unprovoked)>/pol/: "why did America manipulate Japan into war???"You are the dumbest motherfuckers on the planet.
>>534326687You lost, tranny
Look at something like shipping logistics. It's the most convoluted and bizarre mess. It's the global supply chain in itself, held together with steel and rope and a fuck ton of speculation. But a shockingly small number of men are at the reins of that field. And it is the lifeblood of all technology and processes globally.His primary concern was like men in shipping, and entirely material: *when* Germany consolidated France, Britain, Poland, Scandinavia and eastern/southern Europe militarily, they did so in manufacturing, transportation and trade as well. They would have been the global hegemon even without much of the USSR, which they would take regardless. Manufacturing was the most important really because getting to that point of industrialization for the US was a many-decades long project, since his cousin's and McKinley's administrations in a focused sense. It was the American economy at the time, far more so than ag or finance. There was no way to argue this point to the public. It sounds maniacal and insane. The idea of fighting Europe again was contemptible and no one supported it, something like 4% of the US thought we should join the war at all. War weariness could be argued but there was just genuinely no cause to their parochial sense of what is right. Little did he know that mustache guy was conceptually right about democracy, judaism and a few other things. FDR was naive in the theoretical sense. But in applied politics he was a master, and he did everything he could to get the US involved in the war with Europe as soon as he could. Japan was under immense pressure and this was all done to provoke an attack. And he knew the US navy/marines could take care of Japan, the math was very much in his favor. At that point you're actively involved. You're selling now the global Allies' factory, especially the most desperate of them like the USSR, as well as every power you subdue. You are the hegemon, not just in the Americas.
>>534326687The Pacific conflict (1941-1945) was started by the US, not Japan. Prior to the war FDR imposed aggressive policies against Japan such as the oil embargo, freezing of Japanese assets, ABCD encirclement, flying tigers, JB355 and the Hull note ultimatum, which forced Japan into war.The narrative that Japan was the “aggressor” is Allied propaganda
>>534326162>provoked an attack from Japanwhat brand of retarded are you?
>>534327484USA embargoed Japan.
>>534327395>The narrative that Japan was the “aggressor” is Allied propagandathink about what you're saying.japan went full retard to save their shitty economic bubble bursting during the great depression, same with germany and russia.ww2 in a nutshell is just a list of countries spazzing out over their economies collapsing from their elites spending all of their countries wealth on hookers and blow. those economies were proped up by american loans.
>>534326687Why are was the US getting involved to begin with? What business did the US have with getting involved?>okay we're not going to sell you any of our oil unless you back away from your literal invasion staging areasConviently you did mention something very important, yes the US cut off its oil exports to Japan (economic warfare) but you left out how the US physically blockaded Japan to keep them from getting resources (an outright act of war). The moment the US set up a blockade around Japan is the moment it declared war/entered WW2 despite claiming it was going to stay out. Why did you leave this little tid bit out of your green text?
>>534327726>you did mentionyou didn't mention*
>>534327625>USA embargoed Japan.japan was a retarded country that was already invading foreign countries. Why would the U.S. not embargo them?Japan was just a glorified pirate nation.
>>534326162>US entry into WWII makes no fucking sense.you're not considering the jewish tricks. ww2 was done to create israel.
>>534326162>Like it's so fucking complicated and convoluted and yet it still worked? How?FDR was a genius. The New Deal was also based. Simple as.
>>534326162japan was fucked from the outset, it was destiny. they had the right idea in expanding beyond manchuria, they wanted to make sure china didnt become communist. a noble cause. but they ran up against other interests and they completely miscalculated their ability to take down china. they actually had great success, even their last campaign, the ichigo campaign into burma, was technically a success but with the united states winning the sea and air war they were fucked. then russia came along after finishing up with germany. that was another thing they hadn't counted on. overall though i admire their intentions. they were right about the communists.
>>534327825>Japan was just a glorified pirate nation.LOL and Soviet Russia wasn't, just look at what Russia was doing to its neighbors at that time? The US sided with Russia plus gave them tons of money/resources to keep communism alive while the Nazi's were trying their best to stamp out communism. Care to explain? The WW2 generation were the biggest communist sympathizers in history since they fought tooth and nail to make sure the idea of communism survived.
>>534326162>he didnt know
>>534327986>The Axis powers are doing everything they can to destroy communists and destroy the idea of communism>The Allied powers are doing everything they can to fund and help communists plus make sure the idea of communism survives the war Really makes you think. How can anyone say what's in the green text out loud to themselves and then still think the Allied powers were the good guys in the war.
>>534326162He went to war against Axis because they were right wing.If we had a Republican (right wing) president we would’ve went to war against Britain and Soviet Union since they were left wing.
>still doesn't get that the US, ussr and germans were in it together>japan thought they were in the club
By the way, americans weren't as retarded back then as they are today. Almost the entire country was saying that roosevelt had no power, but that a jewish cabal led by rosenman was running the country. Rosenman himself wrote about antisemitism skyrocketing, and upon leaving the white house, recommended that the jews should relinquish direct control and operate behind the scenes, which is what they did after creating the empire.
>>534328452the irony, however, is that japan mostly killed off the nationalists in china, and the chinese nationalists were expected to fight the japanese instead of the commies, since fighting "other chinese" would make them too unpopular. they were between a rock and a hard place. so the japs killed off the nationalists who could have stopped the chinese commies, which was their goal, and the nationalists couldnt direct enough resources against the communists, or they'd lose their mandate to rule. the whole situation was fucked.
>>534326162My schizo theory is that Japan was trained by Britain as belligerents to topple Russia and they got too strong to they concocted a scheme to get the US to take them out for them and of course our glowniggers were like "oh yes your majesty whatever you say *kiss*"
>>534328804You can say all of this but those "smarter" Americans who were super anti-semites back then still did what they were told and went to war to liberate jews and help them found modern day Israel. They were even forced i.e. the draft to fight for jews and still they did it without question. Who cares what the country was "saying" and what not at that time because talk is cheap when their own actions paint a compeletely different picture.
>>534327484Yes that’s exactly what happened, the Chinese lobby wanted us to get involved >we have a Chinese lobby?You have a lot to learn about your own country!
Weebs only defend japs because they made their cartoon porn. America will nuke them again.
>>534326162US was already planning the war against Germany in the mid-30s. Japan didn't draw the US into the war. US was already in it deep by that point. We had bases in Europe, troops occupying Iceland and Greenland, and we were shooting at German boats.
Anyone can steal a bunch of planes and commit suicide to start a war between 2 countries.Space nigger tech from the Vietnam war was involved.How'd those small planes fly all the way from japan to Hawaii anyways on one tank of gas.
>>534329009Agreed. Nevertheless, they needed entirely different methods of persuasion back then to convince people to sacrifice their sons. That's why pearl harbor should be questioned. The fact that people subsequently allowed themselves to be bought off with the wealth based on the stolen technology from europe is another story.
>>534329085This, plus the US was openly massively funding all of Germany's enemies before officialy entering the war. They just needed a way to convince the public to march off to war which was the problem they were facing trying ot figure this one out hence why the US provoked an attack from Japan to rouse the American people to war.The whole point of WW2 was the formation of modern day Israel and to kill off what was left of the conservative element in Western Europe that didn't die off in WW1 and to a lesser extent to kill off the conservative element in the US as well.
>>534326687>only the white man is allowed to conquer lesser peoples or create resource extraction coloniesWhy would anyone expect the japs to be okay with that?
