>>534330080
Lookism and MGTOW shit isnt a false ideology. Dating apps becoming the norm made it 100% true.
If being under 6ft filters you from being seen by 95% of women in an artificial arena where thar now matters, then why wouldnt they be upset?

>>534330080
>Civil discussion
>leads with character attacks and dishonest framing
To put it in your terminology: Yikes. Don't know about that one champ.

>>534330215
Hot anon i just cummed to your post

Lookism is bullshit. Women prefer if you look like a burn victim or the toxic avenger as opposed to some weird He-man aesthetic.
Dark triad is real. Nice men are doormats.

>>534330080
The only pseudo scientific babble turned into religion is feminism. Anyone not following feminist dogma is now accused of being misogynistic, incel and pedo, for the same reason people used to get accused of being a Satan worshipper if they criticized the Church's retardation.

Feminism is a religion now and should get it's due opposition as such.

>>534330160
>Lookism and MGTOW shit isnt a false ideology
Incelism is a false ideology or a subculture even. Lookism/MGTOW are separate things.
>Dating apps becoming the norm made it 100% true.
Not even 50% of dating happens online, there are millions of potential partners and not all of them are onilne. You see what you did? A magical statistic (ouf of nowhere) and an a priori conclusion, this is a logical fallacy and it's called rationalization.
>If being under 6ft filters you from being seen by 95% of women in an artificial arena
This is not even worth addressing, you are stuck in a prison you made up for yourself.
>then why wouldnt they be upset
Being upset is totally fine, committing crimes and harassing people is not
>>534330215
I don't see any personal attacks in my post. The core issue of incelism stems from low confidence and self esteem. If you don't even like yourself how do you think will other people treat you.
I also didn't make it dishonest, lookism and MGTOW is bullshit if you spend two picoseconds to think about it.
>>534330422
>Dark triad is real.
It's not. Counter-point: there's plenty of causes of attraction for criminals among men as well. All of it ultimately is just preference. Just because you see a bunch of women or men drool over some criminal it doesn't somehow remove the half of the population that doesn't engage in such activities.
>>534330501
>The only pseudo scientific babble turned into religion is feminism
Feminism is a social and political movement with a clear defined goal and you are free to criticize it so it's not some dogma you try to make it up to be.
>is now accused of being misogynistic, incel and pedo
Yes false accusations (that don't go nowhere beyond xitter replies) are a thing, but let's talk about the real world for a moment.
>get it's due opposition as such
Incelism is not an opposition to that because by default incelism is not even remotely comparable. Incelism is an online subculture.

>>534330764
Inceldom is doomerism downstream from lookism blackpilling. Its not cured by fucking hookers.
It can be fixed with racial arbitrage, self improvement, practice girlfriend maxxing etc, but its misery wizardry.

My point is. If you are ugly, very short, broke and dumb, with zero social skills and low confidence, then yes surely you will have it harder in life in general which also includes dating and friendship, nobody would ever deny that and no amount of "go to a gym bro" could ever fix some rare physical impairment, that's just how things are.
Some things are out of your control (genetics), some things however totally can be improved such as personality (which has been shown time and time again as the MOST important factor when it comes to dating success, if you can't see how a better personality provides 3000x immediate gains and improves your life more than grinding in a gym or getting better clothing then I don't know what to tell you), however instead of just dealing with you have been given and see what comes up of it, people default to internet memes and subcultures such as incelism where all the blame and responsibility is shifted on someone else (women, jews, whatever you people believe in). It doesn't address the core issues (low confidence, low self esteem) at all and things like lookism are only used to reinforce the ideology.
>>534330998
>Inceldom is
A subculture. You people keep missing the forest for the trees. A subculture, by definition, is a group of individual with believes that are different from the mainstream culture. In normie spaces you will never hear someone say "all women are whores that owe you sex, if you don't break your legs and blast roids and make it in crypto you will never get a woman bro" because it's incompatible with how regular people think about it, but in a subculture such as incelism such ideas would be common and they will be reinforced with any means necessary.
>Its not cured by fucking hookers.
Correct, it's only cured by realizing that it's just a worthless meme and moving on.

>>534330764
>Feminism is a social and political movement with a clear defined goal
Exactly what is that goal? They just keep moving the goalposts as seen in all the waves of feminism. To me, It's goal seems to be self-perpetuation by all means necessary.
>and you are free to criticize
Only on paper. Good luck criticising it without getting socially ostracized. Their secret is precisely to play the eternal victim.
>it so it's not some dogma you try to make it up to be.
Sure thing. Christians had the devil worship card if you criticized them. Feminists got the misogynist card if you criticize them. Both elicit, at their respective era, an emotional negative reaction and almost automatic social crucifixion of their opponents while avoiding challenge. You cannot even criticize feminism with LLMs without getting automatic censorship speak like the one you just gave.

Personally I'm not interested about retards talking about lookism or post pua theories, but they are a consequence of feminism doing its self perpetuation thing and harming society in the process.

>>534331391
> it's just a worthless meme and moving on.
Someone can be an incel without identifying with the subculture at all, the same way someone can be a permavirgin without even knowing what the word "virgin" means. Incel and permavirgin are basically synonyms.
The subculture on top of that is blame attribution, the actual core is something tangible that exists even if you dont give a name to it

Y ru too afraid to make this thread on /r9k/ and need a hugbox like /pol/

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>>534331556
its basically ugly/short/broke behavior of using 4chuds cumrag board instead of making in on >>>/r9k/
Man up op and do the sneedful
You picked /pol/ because there is enough retards ere to not challenge you

>>534331475
>Exactly what is that goal?
In short, emancipation of women (equal pay, equal rights), I'm not very educated on the subject (and it's not even the topic of the thread) but this is the gist of it. I would like to read some literature about it. Generally it's a sign of progressive, modern and prosperous civilizations because your average fundamentalist arab shithole is surely not doing it.
>Good luck criticising it without getting socially ostracized.
Again how did you make that conclusion. There are spaces where you can talk about it in a civil manner, surely if you try to do it on 4chan or xitter don't be surprised you are met with strict opposition.
>>534331512
>Someone can be an incel without identifying with the subculture at all
It's like saying you can be a nazi without identifying with nazis. In common language the term "incel" is specifically referencing men who want to get a gf but are unable to do so AND all the toxic-related characteristics (being misogynistic and generally hostile, making up stories about lookism and generally being aggressive or outright comitting crimes, people who can't take no as an answer). You wouldn't call a monk or a priest an incel (not to mention how they are still subject to sexual desire).
Nobody sees a random virgin and says "eeew that's an incel" by default, you are mixing the two thigns.
>Incel and permavirgin are basically synonyms.
No they are not. If you are a guy who has no success in dating at all then just fuck a hooker, that's it you are not a virgin anymore, congratulations, pat yourself on your back. An incel, on the other hand, will make up thousands of excuses and stories for why a hooker doesn't count and so on and so forth.
>>534331556
This topic pops up in one way or another daily, and I would argue it's 100% political (see gamergate and all).
I dont' want to read misery porn fanfics, I want to discuss the topic (which is exactly what this board is for) and I'm doing it right now.

>>534331699
>You picked /pol/ because there is enough retards ere to not challenge you
Go go ahead and challenge me then, this is the whole point, it was never meant to be a one sided thing.

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>>534332167
Why would i challenge you i had sex this thread isn't for me

>>534332419
Then why did you click on it.

>>534330080
>Why are incels so spiteful and toxic
We are a mirror, that reflects reality.

>>534330080
Buddy, women attack incels with the federal government because of Chad’s actions. Most incels have been mistreated by women since they were little boys. It is entirely an abuse response.

>>534332436
You made fun of incels l, i told you to face them on /r9k/

>>534330764
Holy shit you are a fucking faggot.

>>534332512
Except reality is literally the thing that invalidates most of the incel arguments.
>>534332536
>women attack incels with the federal government because of Chad’s actions
what?
>Most incels have been mistreated by women since they were little boys. It is entirely an abuse response.
There's a thing that can help with that, it's called therapy.
>>534332541
>You made fun of incels
You are free to find at least one sentence where I outright make fun of incels (I never did).
>face them on /r9k/
And I explained why I'm not interested in that.
>>534332574
Excellent argument, I raise the white flag and concede.

>>534332654
>>534330764
>>534330764
>that fact is inconvenient to my position so uh it’s not worth addressing
Coward. You aren’t worth serious arguments.

>>534332654
> There's a thing that can help with that, it's called therapy.
>I never did
A coward and an idiot who can’t even keep his little troll session straight. I hope you know you’re the lowest of the low.

>>534332757
My position is confirmed by reality, incel delusions are exactly that: delusions and mostly excuses/shifting blame and responsibility.
>>534332804
Therapy is literally designed for cases like that, again I was not trolling or making fun of anyone.

>>534330080
>incels MUST have ideology! LIKE ME!
No they don't you narcissistic retard.

>>534330080
They have high estrogen.

>>534332904
>incels MUST have ideology!
Incelism is, by definition, a subculture. Subcultures can share an ideology (or principles, beliefs and so on), by definition. If you associate yourself with incels then you adopt this ideology because you associate with it.
I already addressed the contraddiction in "I'm an incel but I don't identify with incels".
>No they don't you narcissistic retard.
Excellent argument.
>>534332918
Not estrogen has nothing to do with it but cool guess because test levels are linked with sex drive and all that.

>>534332123
It's like saying you can be a nazi without identifying with nazis.
You can be a National Socialist while not liking German NatSoc lol. Thats no different to someone liking Marxism but hating Stalinism or Bolshevism

>>534330080
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kbkysPTnHc
Social media has primed an environment where this type of degeneracy is not only accepted, it thrives. Social media desensitizes and radicalizes even moderates into believing heinous and abhorrent behavior is acceptable under the correct context. Spend just 5 minutes on Twitter, Facebook, Reddit, you will find hordes of these deranged people. They exist among us. The FBI knows about them but never acts until it is far too late. Western society is on a one-way fast track to collapse as long as social media continues to destroy minds and decay the culture.

>>534330080
clavicular would not be where he is at this very mome' if the blackpill was false.

>>534330080
>Surely we can have a civil discussion about it for once.
Sharts feminine logic and ... profit?

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>>534330080
>false ideology

>>534331699
Sneed's Feed & Seed (formerly Chuck's). Also, "Bart's Fart & Shart" doesn't make any sense because the store wasn't called "Feed & Sheed" under Sneed's ownership so stop posting it.

>>534333178
We are getting into semantics here.
If you call yourself an incel or a nazi you specifically inherit all the characteristics that are related to that word in how it's currently used. Specifically incel means "belongs to the incel subculture/community", while "nazi" specifically identifies a member of the national socialist party in Germany of the first half of the 20th century.
>>534333394
What doesn't help is that internet is already polarizing by itself, add to that the fact that the most popular websites where people get information and validation from can be counted on one hand and yeah it's no surprise echo-chambers get created.
I will watch the documentary.
>>534333486
>grifters abuse something and gain from it
Surely it's the first instance of that ever happening.
Clavicular is just the latest big manifestation of internet-induced delusions.
>>534333507
What?
>>534333548
It is.

>>534330080
If they were truly blackpilled they would want nothing to do with women

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>>534330080
women call this man an "incel"
the term is entirely meaningless, it's like a migger calling you a leftist or tranny, it's like someone randomloy calling you a "pedo"; whatever definition was once there is utterly rendered moot by constant over and misuse

>>534333803
That's not the point.
>>534333907
>women
A bunch of xitter profiles don't represent half the population, just saying.
>the term is entirely meaningless
It has a well defined meaning, but I agree that it can be misused (mostly on the internet, for instance to a regular dude unlucky in dating you wouldn't call him an incel, if someone is unlucky in dating AND spergs out at women at any opportunity while behaving like a creep/weirdo then yeah, the term kinda fits) while almost never being used in irl conversations.

>>534330080
Shut up bitch.

>>534334057
>It has a well defined meaning
involuntary celibate, yes; but it never applies to 90% of those it's tossed at

>for instance to a regular dude unlucky in dating you wouldn't call him an incel
literally the definition, involuntary celibate
> if someone is unlucky in dating AND spergs out at women at any opportunity while behaving like a creep/weirdo then yeah, the term kinda fits
has literally nothing at all to do with any "attitude", it was solely & strictly about ugly men who constantly got turned down and therefore had no chance ever because it sucked them into this pit of negative self esteem
all that bullshit you're adding to it is uninvolved
mainly leftist females added all that bullshit trying to dehumanize them and act like it was their fault somehow

>>534330080
High IQ, unironically.

>>534330080
Eat pig shit TalmudBot. Tell your hooknosed beak controller that I said to kill himself.

>>534334138
>involuntary celibate, yes
that is just a combination of the two words, but it doesn't express the actual meaning, which is "member of the incel subculture/community"
originally it was indeed just another way of saying bitchless/forever alone/etc like you said, but words change over time, if you choose to call yourself an incel specifically then it has a clear well defined meaning
>>534334272
>literally the definition, involuntary celibate
just addressed that part, kinda yeah but ultimately no
>it was
that's the key point, but now it isn't
>mainly leftist females added all that bullshit trying to dehumanize them
and I agreed that it can (and it is) misused, especially online, but nobody made up those characterstics
lumping up unlucky people and literal maniacs is unfair, sure, but nobody came up with "involuntary celibate but not a schizo about it" slang word, yet

>>534334417
>that is just a combination of the two words, but it doesn't express the actual meaning
it's literally the actual meaning, it's a portmanteau of involuntary & celibate
>nobody came up with "involuntary celibate but not a schizo about it"
because the "schizo" part was added after the fact, because they were getting sympathy for their plight, and picky ass women that weigh 400lbs but insist on some skinny chad wanted to justify their own bullshit
now the term has become meaningless, save for people like you that want to force whatever they THINK it should mean on it

>>534334551
>it's literally the actual meaning, it's a portmanteau of involuntary & celibate
and I agreed, but that is not how the word is used anymore, that's my point, misuses has blended the difference, a synonym for bitchess suddenly started to mean "cries about games have women in them" and all that shit attributed to incels today, as a subculture.
>and picky ass women that weigh 400lbs
to be fair this is just making some caricature opponent, regular people likely didn't know incel existed as a word before until they saw it on tiktok, so actual misuses is just ignorance that originally it meant something else and since the most popular definition is the new definition then people just stick with that, it's just the latest buzzword
>save for people like you that want to force whatever
but I don't have to force anything, first of all that's not the point, second of all it has already changed by itself, there's nothing that can be doing about it, surely it won't come back considering all that's surrounding it

>>534333747
>Surely it's the first instance of that ever happening.
dont play dumb anon, you know that is not what i meant. i mean a total and complete dumbass who is also incredibly autistic would be completely ignored if he were average or below average looking, nobody would ever know his name and he'd have no fame at all.

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>>534330160
Okay
Why do you need sex to have value?
Why do you need to feel valued?
Is that not the notion that you're strangled by in the first place?
Just don't have sex :)

Incels are the only oppressed people in society today. Women treat average looking men as subhuman, as slaves and work animals

>>534334057
Sorry woman, your attempt at hasbara for your gender won't work here. We've seen how you people act and what attracts you. Go look at any list of bestselling books or fanfiction website to see the type of depraved shit women fantasize about sexually, it always features a "dark triad' alpha Chad archetype acting aggressively dominant. Every woman is drawn to this type of man, and if you are not this type of man you're wasting your time.

Incels are not a monolith.
Alot of people identify themselves with what incel represents but they are not necessarily "unfuckable". Many are just normal looking guys who could have sex if they inserted themselves into social circles. However the fact that that they wouldn't attract as many women as other more advtanged looking guys they decide is a pointless pursuit of egos and just give up and laugh about stuff.

>>534335363
>Incels are the only oppressed people in society today
not really
>Women treat average looking men as subhuman, as slaves and work animals
not true
>>534335478
>We've seen how you people act and what attracts you
Not sure how a bunch of people online staring at cherrypicking content and memes that reinforces their bias is conclusive about anything but ok man
>Go look at any list of bestselling books or fanfiction website to see the type of depraved shit women fantasize about sexually
Genuinely nice try, however 1) women obviously read more and YA is not really popular among men so of course the statistics will be skewed 2) speaking of sexual fantasies remind me who donates the most on OnlyFans
both men and women goon, they just do it differently
look, you handed me the argument on a silver platem but really nice try
>Every woman is drawn to this type of man
generalization that is, again, a lie
plenty of men into "bad bitch" type of women, fictional or not
>and if you are not this type of man you're wasting your time.
this is a mental prison and limitation (that's based on nothing) that you built for yourself btw
>>534335761
>guys they decide is a pointless pursuit of egos and just give up and laugh about stuff.
so they are not incels? incels specifically is mostly identifying white (majority) young men into extreme right-wing politics, misogyny, racism and so on
if you just decide it's not something worth pursuing and you laugh at memes you are not an incel by principle

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>>534330080
Why is OP a dishonest faggot?

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not all incels are the same.

>>534330080
It's resentment. Inferior and unsuccessful people hate those superior and more successful than them.