Eating someone is inconsistent with loving them properlySuppose you say that you love your children. However, you lock them in a dark, cramped, small, filthy, feces-ridden cage where they can’t turn around, slice off their nose with a knife, break their bones multiple times, kill, and eat them. It seems reasonable, in such a case, to say that you don’t really love your children or at the very least, that you are not living up to what that love demands.Recently, Billie Eilish, a Singer, declared that you cannot love animals and eat them. As the kids say, this was very based. But the internet has been set ablaze by this shocking claim, with many people disagreeing. These people think that you can eat those you love. Such people are all wrong.
>>534334317I would eat Billie Eilish.
>>534334317Let me first be clear: I do not think that Eilish was intending to make some precise philosophical claim. Clearly there are possible scenarios where one eats animals and loves them e.g. if you eat them by accident while sleepwalking. What she was claiming was that you cannot love animals properly and eat them in the normal way people tend to. So I’m not interested in defending the obviously false claim that it is categorically impossible to love and eat animals, but instead that eating animals in the standard way is incompatible with loving them.Another small qualification: one can have two contradictory attitudes. A parent might feel great love for their children, but also beat them viciously. There’s some sense in which this is compatible with love, even though it can be done while feeling love for their children. So really the claim is that eating animals is inconsistent with the demands of proper love. This isn’t to say you can’t feel warm fuzzy feelings directed at animals while eating them, but that if you feel love for them, and you eat them, then you’re not behaving in the way love demands. As C.S. Lewis says “Love is not affectionate feeling, but a steady wish for the loved person’s ultimate good as far as it can be obtained.”The argument for this is extremely simple and straightforward: to love someone, you have to care about their interests. You can’t claim to love your children if you don’t care at all about what happens to them. For example, you couldn’t be said to love your children if you loaded them into catapults and fired them across a large stadium because you thought it would be funny to do so. If you care about animals’ interests, then you cannot pay for them to be tortured for trivial pleasure. This is similar to how if you care about people, you can’t pay for them to be tortured for trivial pleasure.
It's just nature and a part of life bro
>>534334402Tortured? Yes. The conditions most animals undergo are torture. They’re kept in small cages where they can’t turn around and are subject to countless horrifying mutilations. Genetically engineering someone to be hideously large and unable to walk, locking them in a cage, breaking their bones multiple times, and mutilating them without anesthetic is obviously torture. And I don’t think you can really love someone and pay for them to be tortured for your pleasure, sorry, I didn’t make the rules.You might object: when a person says they love animals, they don’t mean they love all animals. They’re not saying that they love blobfish or mosquitoes. Really they’re just saying that they love some animals. Fair enough. But the animals that we eat are, in relevant respects, like the ones we love. Pigs and cows are of similar intelligence to dogs. The big difference is that dogs are cuter.But it doesn’t make sense to unqualifiedly say “I love group X,” if really you only love a tiny and non-representative portion of that group. If you said “I love people,” and really meant “I only love Bob,” that wouldn’t be accurate. Similarly, if you said “I love people,” and really only loved French people but not people in other countries, who didn’t differ in any morally important respects then that would obviously be a failure to love people.So, Billie Eilish’s claim is correct. However, it set off huge numbers of critics on the internet who were very snarky and dismissive in response. Their responses were also massively terrible. Let’s see what they have to say:
>>534334317>Billie Eilish thread>no boobslame
>>534334488Reply: imagine a person said “I love all my children, some as companions, some to eat.” Would you say they really loved their children? No, obviously not. There is some trivial sense in which people say they love things that they really just enjoy e.g. “I love Doritos” but that’s obviously not the right kind of sentiment being expressed. That is the love of a LION: love in only name. Speaking of which:
>>534334317it’s true. this year i switched to eating fish. because it’s almost impossible to get proper nutrition without meat or fish. however at least fish are retarded so they feel less pain than pig or cow. and they also live in better conditions
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>>534334519>So are all carnivores evil then? Or maybe some creatures eat meat and that’s okay.Do you think lions love gazelles? What are you smoking? And note: you can think it’s okay to eat meat if you need to, but wrong for most people to do it because they don’t need to.>Well you can’t claim you love earth if you eat plantsBut no one says that they love plants in the same way that people might love animals! That is, you might say “I love plants,” the way that you claim to love Doritos where love is a shorthand for describing that you enjoy something but that’s distinctly not the sense in which people claim to love animals.The principle is: you can’t claim to love someone if pay for them to be mistreated and killed and then you eat them. This doesn’t apply to Earth, because nobody devours all of Earth. If someone did eat Earth, Galactus style, I would say that they didn’t love Earth. If someone eats just little tiny bits of Earth, and the alternative is death, then that is obviously consistent with loving Earth. Additionally, I don’t think you can really love Earth as it’s not an agent.
>>534334580https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NhCxCLZXYtAFish can probably feel quite a bit of pain, just eat oysters take your vitamins and eat plants
>>534334317Nah i love animals bcs if they weren't pre packaged at the store and i had to kill them myself i wouldn't be able to
>>534334635>How dumb can you get to even put this into words,>So if I love a dog I can’t eat beef??? we keep most of this animals for sustenance. >It’s always been. Who do you think you are that whatever rubbish you say can hold any weight? Do you know how long vegetarians have been trying?This Tweet was a nice performative example of itself raising the question it asks in the first line. The fact that we keep animals for sustenance doesn’t tell anything about whether there is a conflict between loving animals and eating them. Analogy: if you had a child with the plan to eat them later, thus having them for sustenance, eating them would still be inconsistent with proper love. Even if society had been doing that for a long time, it would obviously still be incompatible with love.>>534334747That’s not good, you should stop Paying illegal immigrants and ex convicts to do it for you if you as an individual buy chicken everyday for a couple years vs you don’t buy any chicken or any other meat at all for a couple years it usually does make a difference to the 1 to 900 chickens you have personally spared. There’s millions of men dying in Ukraine but that doesn’t mean im not making a big difference by not choosing to murder 2 of my neighborsEvidence for this isAn individual consumer choosing to purchase or boycott animal products is personally responsible for extra chicks being killed or spared. If you are not vegan you are personally causing this to happen to more animals here’s proofhttps://philarchive.org/rec/MCMAIOhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=brKhhZlUoOc [Open] (Only first few minutes of this video are relevant)https://benthams.substack.com/p/the-causal-inefficacy-objection-isAnd the comments and back and forth of this for any objections you may have to the efficacy of individual boycott of real meat which have already been debunked https://www.reddit.com/r/DebateAVegan/comments/1otuhqv/individual_boycott_of_meat_does_matter/
>>534334887Kaguya’s Top Gal@hayasaka_aryan@ItsKingSlime “If you love animals so much why did you kill your tapeworm”2:10 PM · Apr 29, 2026 · 21.9K Views4 Replies · 19 Reposts · 1.62K LikesThis is a better reply, but it doesn’t work. I don’t think that when you say “I love XYZ,” that has to cover weird edge cases, even if they are statistically common. If you say “I like rocks,” even though most rocks are in space, you are not committed to talking about those—you’re just talking about the typical rocks we encounter in normal life. So when one says “I love animals,” they’re supposed to be quantifying over the normal animals we standardly think of. That doesn’t include tape worms. Also, tape worms don’t have any interests, so it can’t be a failure of love to neglect their interests.If what you mean when you say “I love animals,” is “I love dogs and cats that look cute to me and am totally fine with others that are less cute being tortured in dark nightmare cages,” then say that. But don’t claim to be an animal lover, unqualifiedly.NewsAsia@newsasia360@ItsKingSlime Billie, lions, tigers, and wolves must be absolute monsters then Nature's been eating meat since forever. I'll keep loving my steak and my dog .9:26 AM · Apr 30, 2026 · 1.9K Views9 LikesNope, try again, not a counterexample, nobody thinks that lions and tigers love animals.The Eric B.@thee_ericb@ItsKingSlime Plants are living things and you kill them for food Billie Eilish. Shame on you for eating plants.11:30 AM · Apr 30, 2026 · 573 ViewsBut no one claims to love plants.Jack@sonorous_muse@ItsKingSlime This is a very privileged position to have. The body functions better when we eat meat. If we cut it out, we'd need to take many supplements & that's not feasible for most. I'm sure if we didn't generally need to eat it for better health then we wouldn't.7:43 PM · Apr 29, 2026 · 6.99K Views3 Replies · 3 Reposts · 150 Likes
>>534334887ya i know but I'm addicted to meat. I tried to stop eating meat in my teens out of my love for animals and I failed.
>>534334964Dawg, you can get a yearly supply of supplements for like 7 dollars. And vegans statistically have better health, even controlling for other factors..Mr Menace@benji1089@ItsKingSlime We are carnivores. We eat meat and our bodies thrive off it. Get over it. Move on.1:50 AM · Apr 30, 2026 · 951 Views2 Replies · 6 LikesThe fact that you do something doesn’t tell you if it’s consistent with love. If a society of alien cannibals ate you and your family, then even though their bodies would thrive off it, they couldn’t say they love your family.C̴̦̆o̵̬͊s̶̥͝m̷̤̌ȉ̴̺c̵̖̋ ̵̤̾C̵̪͒h̶̄ͅa̵̬͠ȏ̵͍s̵̪̀@cosmic_oro@ItsKingSlime We have a slur for performative males but we need one for performative females1:19 PM · Apr 29, 2026 · 400 ViewsIt’s not vegans who are performative. It’s the people who routinely virtue signal about how much they love animals and then don’t do anything about it because it would be slightly personally inconvenient. Making personal sacrifices based on one’s moral convictions is the opposite of being performative. It’s absurd for a person who makes no sacrifices for some moral belief to call those who do make regular sacrifices for that belief performative. This would be like Jeffrey Dahmer denouncing the horrors of cannibalism and then calling people with cannibalistic impulses who don’t eat other people performative.river i hardly kno’erミ@ltcaulfieldsever since i watched that documentary on whale hunting in inuit communities when i was in highschool i stopped taking white vegans who say this shit seriouslySlime @ItsKingSlimeBillie Eilish says eating meat is WRONG and people can’t claim to love animals if they eat meat 10:37 AM · Apr 30, 2026 · 8.86M Views242 Replies · 8K Reposts · 129K Likes
>>534335011Okay but presumably most meat eaters are not inuit communities hunting whales (nor, in fact, are most vegans white). So then this has nothing to say about normal instances of meat consumption. In addition:
>>534334977Use more willpower Watch more undercover footage from documentaries like dominion so you know what you are paying for Eat mock meats Lose weight
>>534335030:Sridhar Ramesh@RadishHarmersI was onboard with veganism until I learnt some vegan are white and some non-vegans are non-white. Furthermore, I have come to understand whale hunting is good, as some whales are white.river i hardly kno’erミ @ltcaulfieldsever since i watched that documentary on whale hunting in inuit communities when i was in highschool i stopped taking white vegans who say this shit seriously12:59 AM · May 1, 2026 · 184K Views34 Replies · 610 Reposts · 9.56K LikesSeanerz Tha Don'erz @TheRealSeanHart@ItsKingSlime I love animals. I also love burgers. Get fucked, Billie.6:31 AM · Apr 29, 2026 · 31.7K Views14 Replies · 15 Reposts · 1.93K LikesWhy does anyone find this a persuasive response? You can’t nullify a charge of hypocrisy by merely repeating you hold both beliefs! Compare: you can’t be opposed to slavery and own slaves. Reply: I AM OPPOSED TO SLAVERY AND OWN SLAVES, GET FUCKED. Thus, Billie Eilish is obviously right, QED, etc. This was also a funny Twitter brouhaha to witness, because people would start by insulting Eilish’s intelligence, and then demonstrate beyond all semblance of doubt that they have the mental capacity of a potato. Perhaps their concern for the welfare of plants is all the more explicable.Reminder: though the farm bill passed the house, it is now going to the senate. So call your senators and tell them to vote no on any version of the farm bill that would include the save our bacon act provision, which would destroy most state animal welfare laws.
Love isnt for animals it's for your family and maybe your friends (who are typically very distant relatives). Unless you're working with a herding dog or a draft animal then I'd understand.
>>534334502Wow, I remember when this was a body worth ptsd.
>>534335172I think you can love a child you adopt even if they are a distant ethnicity or race
>>534335220Why aren’t all women’s tight pants and shorts front seamless?
>>534335074If i lose any more weight I'd be underweight. Always been around 130 lbs including when i tried to stop eating meat
>>534335492Understandable Im thin tooI get most of my calories from liquid because I’m cheap have a low appetite and I don’t like spending lots of time cooking. So I drink lots of shakes from my blender which I use so y milk hemp seeds pumpkin seeds and oats and a little kale It’s pretty good , I don’t spend more than 10 dollars a day on food.
>>534334317That person billie, doing something satanic; against our organs.
>>534334317>someoneThe animals aren't someone. They have no personhood. Inb4 but the mentally impaired. You give the mentally impaired personhood, because they're humans who, if not sick in the head, would have it.
They have this strange agenda, against our organs; these types of homosexuals.
>>534334317>eating someone>someonelol.
>>534335779What exactly do you mean by sick in the head? There’s people missing most of their brain So just give them a bigger brain? Why can’t I also do brain surgery on a pig to give it a bigger brain so the pig can do calculus? Isn’t that what happened to humans over millions of years with evolution?
>>534334488>Pigs and cows are of similar intelligence to dogs. The big difference is that dogs are cuter.No. Based digits, but we love dogs for their loyalty and affection. Pigs may be smarter (cows aren't, lmfao) but they won't thoughtlessly throw their lives away to defend my children. White people (aka not you) don't "worship" dogs like shitskins (again, you) think, we simply reward loyalty in kind.
>>534334317Is she right about fucking niggers too?Did she invented animal rights in the 1940s as well?You should fuck a nigger to be more like her, OP.
>>534336010People have pet pigs Feral dogs exist
>>534336117>People have pet pigsAnd once they grow out of the "piglet" phase they cease being cute or housepets because pigs are smelly (and delicious) destructive eating machines. And the existence of feral dogs and nigbulls doesn't discount the loyalty of your typical labrador or poodle any more than homeless fent zombies disprove the spark of humanity inherent in people.
it's impossible to live on this earth without killing other creatures and dense urban communities require killing far more of them in order to reach resource requirements efficientlythis is an objective fact that extends well beyond just agriculture and foodstuffs
>>534336425Where’s the evidence more suffering or death or rights violations happen on an acre of city, wheat field, etc then an acre of wild land?Maybe more human infrastructure, more deforestation and less wild land means less wild animal suffering
>>534336360>because pigs are smelly (and delicious) destructive eating machinesYou could say the same thing about dogs >And the existence of feral dogs and nigbulls doesn't discount the loyalty of your typical labrador or poodle any more than homeless fent zombies disprove the spark of humanity inherent in people.So the majority of the species must be loyal? What if somebody set up a factory farm on Mars and bred 8 billion dogs with non loyal misanthropic smelly and gluttonous traits ? Would then all of the dog on Earth would lose moral value because of this?
>>534334317Isn't it strange, the abominations people get accustomed to and normalized in this world of ours. The absolute hells and manmade horrors that we have created for ourselves in this little biosphere floating in the eternal void.
>>534334317I don't love animals
>>534334317>Recently, Billie Eilish, a Singer, declared>/pol/ 2026the state of
i love plants but i eat them
the collective spiritual debt that the industrial meatpacking plants puts us in will not be escapable
