The left must gerrymander to save democracy.
>>534336513Republicans started it in the 2000s. Democrats gerrymandering in their states is just fighting fire with fire
>>534336513That ship has sailed. Supreme court has ended race based gerrymandering.
>>534336513these people are retarded and it's hilarious.here's the only example I have to use.guess who drew this and who has controlled it for ever?
>>534336574>gerrymanderingnigger do you even understand the word you're using? Demotards started the WHOLE FUCKING THING
>>534336513They already did, this is republicans finally responding. Republicans have more to gain here because of that.
>>534336574Democrats started it in 1850
>>534336641This. Republicans have historically slept on this.
>>534336641When was the start?Who blocked the 2022 bill to end gerrymandering?
>>534336513>MarcEELias>Reddit>Early LIfeHOLY FUCK YOU FUCKIN JEWS
>>534336574You retard
>>534336706are you LOW IQ or just a fucking kike?WHERE DID THE WORD >GERRYMANDERINGcome from?
>>534336706This is new england despite being 40% republican.
>>534336780Get triggered>>534336796Aaaaaaaand get butthurt
>>534336691Democrats in 1850 aren't the same party as Democrats in 2026
>>534336513New England and the east coast are already fully gerrymandered. Illinois has 1.69 million Republicans but not a single republican house seat. The democrats have nothing to gerrymander even if they wanted to.Meanwhile the republicans have only just begun.
>>534336706
>republicans think that democrats did it first>democrats think that republicans did it firstthis whole situation feels kind of retarded doesnt it
>>534336513They already have. They almost no more juice to squeeze out.
>>534336819*and the west coast
>>534336815No, we’re getting even, and now you have an anal fissure from it. Enjoy losing the elections.
>>534336589>Latino people were split 50-50 in the 2024 election, whilst black people voted 80% democratHmmmTbh I'm inclined to think race-based gerrymandering is no longer needed.Black people can find ample representation in the democrat party, and to a lesser extent, the republican party (I assume), so I don't think they need to vote as a bloc anymore.Ofc the borders will only get more insane, not less. They should add a convexity requirement at the very least. That would provide flexibility whilst ruling out the more outrageous options, as well as being a simple agreeable principle.
>Democrats are the ones who gerrymanderOkay lets pass a bill to end gerrrymandering>That's communism libtard!:|
>>534336844>gerrymanderyou should probably go look that word up lmfao
>>534336879Because all it would do is lock in what the dems did, jerkoff.
>>534336848>Enjoy losing the elections!!!>Dems have been winning insane amounts of seats and closing the gap even with 20% of supportJust say youre Unamarican and hate democracy, stop being a mentally ill coward
>>534336879>The 2021-2031 Massachusetts House of Representatives map, signed into law in November 2021, defines current districts. While the state has no Republican U.S. House representatives, GOP state house members are concentrated in specific areas like Bristol County, though creating a pro-Trump congressional district is difficult due to voter distribution.>>534336706>Who blocked the 2022 bill to end gerrymandering?lol
>>534336513>We must shoot our opponents and subjugate them and negate their votes via fraud and tax them to death and ignore crimes against them while emphasizing (or inventing) crimes they commit and accuse them of our own crimes and prosecute them for saying things we decide are "mean">for DEMOCRACY
>>534336856The only race they use for drawing voting districts are blacks (one of the arguments that they were race based since they didn't do this with any other race or democrat demographic voter blocks) and before Trump they were 90-95% democrat voters.
>>534336574>Republicans started it in the 2000sWut? Gerrymandering is named after the Governor of Massachusetts in 1812, Elbridge Thomas Gerry, who was in the party that became the Democratic party.
>>534336913Projecting
>>534336844In a sense it's mutually beneficial. One strategy in gerrymandering is pack enemy voters into districts, so you can preserve your voters in contestable districts. Thus the democrat party can parachute in their career politicians into these stable seats made by the republican party (and vice versa)Damn them all.
>>534336796>40% republican.Okay, so 60% Democrat. That's a majority dumbass.
>>534336641>>534336691The same Democrats that were supposedly anti-nigger southern conservatives?God, are Amerimutts always this retarded when it comes to even their own history?
>>534336513(representative) democracy is the idea that gerrymandering is the best way to prevent the elites from oppressing the common man; if career politicians are paralyzed by argument then they can't pass or pay for enforcement of new laws so communities can self-police without interference
>>534336513They already gerrymander demographically by importing millions of shitskins
>>534337005I asked you a question and your response was "REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE"Youre a fucking embarrassment dudeGo get some therapy
>>534336856>Black people can find ample representation in the democrat party, and to a lesser extent, the republican party (I assume), so I don't think they need to vote as a bloc anymoreThat is a threat to Our Democracy™ get back on the plantation you fucking nigger and vote for blue team
I'm glad that the UK doesn't have much gerrymanderingThen again we don't have much land so perhaps the opportunity to gerrymander is smaller.
>>534336513>when you already do but your competition which was honest is starting to because they're sick of your shit and you start panicking
>>534337040Are... are you actually unaware of why we have a senate AND a house of representatives? Google is, like, RIGHT THERE and you're here with >>534337040 instead...Ok I'll spell it out, 40% OF THE PEOPLE SHOULDN'T MEAN 0% OF THE VOTE BECAUSE IN THE MIDWEST AND SOUTH DEMS GET A FEW SEATS HERE AND THERE DESPITE BEING THE TECHNICAL MINORITY.
>>534337111It's because you have more MPs than they have representatives despite having about 1/5th the population. UK>69M people>650 MPsUSA>341M people>435 representativesDrawing really dumb districts is easier when you have to fit 800k people in each one
>>534336682The thing I like about Trump is he sometimes gets the republicans to get out of their cuck chairs and actually fight for their constituents. Ya know, the job that they where actually elected to do.
>>534336513but they've already been gerrymandering.
>>534336796Nebraska is 40% Democrat yet has no Democratic representation in Congress
>>534336574how about we get more fire and burn dc to the ground
>>534337436I seeFree chatgpt tells me that the UK draws constituencies using wards that have 5000 people roughly. (they can be split up to even out the constiuencies.Whereas the US draws districts using census blocks that have 100 people normally (but can have upto 2000 people for very high density housing). This is ludicrous, since these census blocks are specifically designed to be as small as possible! To match the UK, these basic units for district drawing would need to have 25k people!I guess the UK maybe benefits here from its older history because wards are apparently a medieval creation, so I guess everybody is fine with accepting them as having no ulterior gerrymandering bias.I baselessly conjecture that the Americans, who were paralysed from trying to make a consensus from nothing, settled on co-opting a device from the census bureau, rather than making something suitable for district drawing. I guess the rationalism of democracy and bureaucracy and commitee has severe limitations.
>>534338452Now go look up a map of its districts.
>>534337111UK doesn't have gerrymandering for the same reason Australia doesn't. The districts are drawn by an independent, non-partisan electoral body. In the US, politicians draw the boundary lines and are incentivized to draw the most biased lines they can get away with. Democrats have tried repeatedly to create an independent body the same as UK and Australia but have been repeatedly blocked by the GOP.https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/senate-bill/2747
>>534336706That wasn't bill to end gerrymandering, that was a bill to end further gerrymandering. Something you would obviously benefit when you have already gerrymandered and the opposition hasn't. The bill also just contained pro democrat gerrymandering in it so ye.
>>534336513This has a high chance to be a dummymander for Republicans if they do this before midterms
>>534338594damn Supposing that the GOP did for some reason, let it pass, would it even be possible to create a new independent non-partisan electoral body?American politics seems so shady that I feel the new committee would become biased immediately.I'm confident pre-2010 america could have done it.
>>534336574That's not exactly true. Gerrymandering has always been thing, and is hard to create districts that cannot plausibly be called gerrymandered.However, the "oh, we might be fucked, let's do a mid-decade redistricting thing" was a Pandora's box the Republicans opened in Texas in 2003.However, gerrymandering usually involves redistricting to have more, weaker but winnable districts, and concentrating the other party into a handful of strong districts. Given that generic polling and various elections have been apocalyptic for Republicans, there is a serious chance that a partisan mid-decade redistricting to obtain an advantage could backfire given Democrat overperformance in special elections, especially in the South.
>>534338881Reading between the lines of the bill, the actual reason they're blocking it is because Democrats tie independent redistricting to expanding voter access as maximally as possible. Allowing vote-by-mail, no voter ID required to vote as it can be used to restrict legitimate voters from voting by making identification hard to access, increasing hours when people can vote at voting places. Republicans don't do well when voting eligibility is maximized, which is why Republicans typically try to engage in voter suppression. The US system is unbelievably corrupt and the GOP are objectively the bad guys, while the Dems are just ineffectual but somewhat well-intentioned, hopefully it never ends up like that in the UK or Australia.
>>534338594They probably tried because they were banking on default race based gerrymandering
>>534339216Race-based gerrymander was banned until SCOTUS overturned protections against that just in the past week. Now GOP has the right to draw even more absurd gerrymandered district lines to encapsulate all black or latino people in their own districts, when this was illegal previously
>>534336513>Save Democracy>Deliberately take away people's representation
>>534339110I'm concerned by the house of lords reform in the UK. It won't lead to gerrymandering or corruption directly but it will slow down our legislature, making us less agile.
>>534339110>Republicans don't do well when voting eligibility is maximizedWeirdly enough, that's not less true today because of the Trump realignment in 2016, the Democrats got the educated white suburbanites in the divorce - who are high propensity voters. This is why Democrats have generally overperformed in midterms and special elections over the last decade. In contrast, Republicans got the white working class (or lower-middle class, depending on what terminology you prefer) that voted for Obama. These people are low propensity voters and are difficult to get to show up for any election where Trump himself is not on the ballot.It's not 2012. Democrats don't benefit from high turnout like they used to.
>>534339345House of lords reform is just altering the system to be more like Canada and Australia. Having inherited seats is pretty undemocratic and ends up putting people in the seat whose family happened to own land 500 years ago, not anyone actually competent. I don't see any downside. It's probably the sole good thing that Starmer has done during his extremely disappointing term where he mostly wasted time legislating morality and online speech and pretending not to help the US war in Iran. The only other good thing he has done is re-open ties with EU, after Brexit has been shown to be a catastrophic mistake - who could have guessed listening to Boris and Farage would be a bad idea?
>>534339273Tbh, reducing the influence of the Black Caucus on the Democrat party would probably make them more competitive. They would drift leftward on social issues, but it would encourage Southern Democrats to run on policies that (imo) appeal to educational polarization and less black pandering, which could make them more competitive overall.
>>534339408>It's not 2012. Democrats don't benefit from high turnout like they used to.You're right about the lower-middle class breaking for Trump, but GOP still seems to think they don't benefit from big turnout, hence why they keep voting down anything that expands voting eligibility and constantly imply that mail-in voting is fraudulent despite no actual evidence of that aside from discredit schizo shit like 2000 Mules. Mail-in voting has been a thing in Australia for years now and has never had any problems. Trump himself has mail-in voted for most of his adult life. Oregon and Utah had mail in voting since the 1970s and nobody cared until GOP wanted to lower voter turnout.
>>534336574>everything just now happened within my living memory. There is no history.
>>534336513They've been gerrymandering since the 70s. Why isn't democracy saved yet?
>>534339493>Tbh, reducing the influence of the Black Caucus on the Democrat party would probably make them more competitive.I couldn't agree more, the only reason Harris was picked as VP candidate was because of Jim Clyburn insisting on it as a condition of endorsing Biden. Harris was disastrously unpopular in the 2020 primaries (only 1% of the vote), yet got forced into the ticket anyway because of the Black caucus's very outsized influence. It all goes back to the high reliability of black female voters, who turn out at the highest rates of any demographic. If white dems showed up to vote more reliably, they wouldn't have nearly the power they do.
>>534336706>When was the start?nigger the term is 200 years old, and the practice is older than that
>>534339273The race base gerrymander existed by default and republicans had their hands tied even in their own states because of the longstanding application of the voting rights act on redistricting. The argument they made is essentially that they weren’t trying to disenfranchise minorities, but to disenfranchise political opponents. The latter is part and parcel in American politics. So now there will be a real burden of proof that it was race based and not just incidental to get a lot of this gerrymandering challenged and overturned.
>>534336844Everyone knows which side did it first and cheats the most. One side is just lying that it's the other side.
>>534339614>So now there will be a real burden of proof that it was race basedThe burden of proof has been created on purpose to be impossibly high to meet. So now gerrymandering is loosened significantly, which benefits the GOP. Shocking that a GOP dominated SCOTUS would make changes to voting law to benefit their own party. Anyone who believes this is aiming to make the law fairer and not a partisan gift in disguise is unfortunately gullible
>>534339507To be honest, I would rather not see mail-in voting outside of a few specific classes like civil servants and soldiers stationed overseas and long-term expats. I think it's important to limit the appearance of impropriety with respect to ballot layering. And make election day a public holiday fwiw.
>>534336513>The left must gerrymander to save democracy.The left is already gerrymandered to the max. They have no arrows in their quiver, so to speak.
>>534339697>believes this is aiming to make the law fairerIf the opponents have already gerrymandered then gerrymandering yourself does in fact make the system more fair.
>>534339697The democrats were taking full advantage of the real liberal application of the voting rights act. It’s like many issues with our judicial system where one could argue laws are inherently racist because they disproportionately land minorities in jail.
>>534339793>I think it's important to limit the appearance of improprietyThere was no appearance of impropriety before Trump claimed there was. Mail in voting was entirely uncontroversial prior to 2020, where Trump literally had the head of the USPS sabotage mail sorting machines to try to ensure mail in ballots arrived late. Mail in voting is incredibly convenient, is bizarre and exhausting to hear it's somehow fraudulent with no evidence provided.
gerrymandering is gay retarded jewish nonsense, we should just have rules that clearly define what districts are based on, then gather that fucking information, then draw the fucking districts based on thathow fucking hard is that?
>>534340233>we should just have rules that clearly define what districts are based on, then gather that fucking information, then draw the fucking districts based on thatDemocrats have tried to pass a bill almost every year that does this but it gets filibustered every year. Here's the bill from 2021 that does exactly what you said https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/senate-bill/2670
>>534339441Consider an analogy: the House of Lords is the gut, and its peers are the gut bacteria. We want to the Lords to process papers without stalling. If they stall then they are impeding the commons (will of the people). Doubly so if that stalling leads to some kind of timeout or other measure being triggered. Thus, I consider subject experts, religious leaders etc. to be good bacteria, because they will act wholeheartedly. Political apointees are bad bacteria, because they can be influenced by minority parties in the commons to stall.Inherited peers are neutral bacteria, because they'll just sit on the seat and not do much. And yet their impact is not zero, because they diminish the influence of the bad bacteria during voting. I assume they'd also be too prideful to accept lobbying.This analogy is corroborated by the recent legal euthanasia bill which, although being passed by the Commons after a year of intense deliberation and adjustment, has been stalled for unforgivably long by the Lords. The House of Lords is supposed to hone the bills, yes, but some lords have impeded democracy by proposing thousands of amendments to the bill. This handful of lords are in fact political appointments, not inherited peers.The kernel of our government controls the pace of our country manyfold. If it is 5% slower, then the country becomes 20% slower. Each hour of parliament time is more important that a week's time at any other organisation. I am thus prepared to shirk morality and normalcy to avoid inefficiencies. I'd be happy if the MPs had a million pounds as their salary. I am fine with a group of people getting a 200k salary job and a title via inheritance.(cont.)
>>534339582As a racist liberal, I would like to see their influence diminish. Do what they want and you get urban blight and basic things like water treatment not working. And going all Blackity Black isn't helpful for getting Hispanic voters on board, especially given how little Hispanics vote relative to their potential.
Section it by county and watch liberals, jews, and faggots cry uncontrollably
>>534340305You're acting like other countries don't also have a senate and like you have to explain this unique, novel concept to the colonists or something. It's kind of quaint how out of touch British people and the press is with how the parliamentary system has been adopted by other countries then significantly improved.Lords are not 'subject matter experts', they're the inbred offspring of landowners from the past few centuries. They have no qualification to occupy that seat other than birth. So they got some decisions right occasionally. ok? That doesn't mean a democratically elected senate wouldn't be superior.
>>534340352Yeah, they're also the reason Bernie never got up and the progressive wing never makes any progress. Because the black wing is actually pretty conservative and hate progressivism, despite the US desperately being in need of some progressive policies like universal healthcare. They would totally vote Republican if Republicans weren't effectively white supremacists.
>>534340305The kernel of our government is also fragile. Any slight change in its makeup will massively change the game theory of politics. Humanity is still bad at game theory, and our politicians can't ensure the new Nash equilbrium will deliver for the people better. What if the new system leads to political appointments having a larger share, thus slowing down the House of Lords with partisanship?I am left socially and economically, but philosophically, I'm conservative. Don't try to fix the engine of our country, if it's not broken, especially if the justification is for something as flimsy as fairness across a group of thousand people.Parliament is great. Our government has the power of both the executive and the legislature (and thus the judiciary too). We are agile and flexible. We
>>534340299Let’s see if they try to push again now that this ruling has come down.
>>534340233The Democrats do every couple years since the Texas mid-decade redistricting in 2003, and the GOP usually kills it in committee.>>534340189Because voter fraud works like layering in money laundering, where you introduce authentic but illegitimately filled ballots into banker boxes of authentic and legitimately filled ballots.It's not actual impropriety I want to avoid. It's the legal concept of the "appearance of impropriety".Electronic voting also fixes this, but contards gonna contard.
>>534336682Name one red state that has laws against gerrymandering.
>>534340405yeah tbf the only other second house I'm familiar with is the US SenateThe House of Lords aren't all inherited peers - they are a minority. The rest of the lords are subject experts and political appointees (and religious leaders etc.)
>>534340482They push it every year regardless of whatever the state of gerrymandering law is. The only difference this time is Dems are expected to take control of the house and senate due to the catastrophic unpopularity of Republicans due to Trump's Iran war and subsequent skyrocketing gas prices, so there may be an opportunity to actually pass it this time.>>534340520>Because voter fraud works like layering in money laundering, where you introduce authentic but illegitimately filled ballots into banker boxes of authentic and legitimately filled ballots.There is no actual evidence of this though. You're buying into a fabricated narrative that is not actually real.
>>534339870Weird. Then why are they gaining more seats?
>>534336816Very different thing than claiming gerrymanderinng started in the 2000s, which is what that retarded anon you're agreeing with wrote.
>>534340547>There is no actual evidence of this though. You're buying into a fabricated narrative that is not actually real.That's not relevant to the question of the appearance of impropriety. Is this a legal concept that doesn't exist in Australian jurisprudence?
>>534336513>kramer, what is this?>it's a mander, Jerry!
>>534340691Of course appearance of impropriety is a thing in Australia, but the point is, you're shutting down a legitimate, previously uncontroversial pathway to voting for no reason other than a coordinated campaign of lies and nonsense. Mail in voting has been operating in the US uncontroversially since the 1970s with no recorded fraud. Indulging any notion of fraud woul be validating the GOP strategy of discrediting it, which just the principle of is disgusting lowest of the lowbrow politics.
>>534336513>"We must cheat."What does that say of your policies if you have to cheat to win?
>>534336513Here's an idea - just stop gerrymandering altogether. There's at least a dozen different common mathematical algorithms that can divide up states into voting districts which would keep them competitive for both sides.
>>534338881The problem with America is and always will be Americans. They don't do civil debate, they do battle lines and are prepared to do anything to achieve victory even if it comes at the expense of tomorrow.So long as the independent body is staffed by Americans they will be bought and sold like all the other goycattle organisations that exist, and the winner will be the kike with the most money. They have learned nothing from recent events and will learn nothing in future as their country continues to decay, their allies turn on them, and their lives continue to decline.So long as two Americans still exist, they will kill each other over the right to pick which master they kneel before
>>534340233You would first have to agree on the rules and when you disagree with the rules you by definition think it's gerrymandering. What you are seeing is people agreeing on rules and then using said rules to make districts. The fact that someone disagrees is basically inevitable.Even if you try to avoid the pretty blatant cases there's still quite a lot of legitimate issues such as do you favor representation on local or global level and if you should allow communities to decide for themselves or not. There aren't right answers to questions like this.
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>>534340233Districts are a way to provide local representation. It can be practical to adjust the districts so that a representative is purely urban/rural rather than a mix of the two. Also, how do you agree on those rules you mentioned? You can reduce the complexity of those rules. It's easy to rig a complex ruleset, but harder to rigt a simpler one.An example is the Shortest Splitline method, which iteratively bisects the population map, producing convex, simple polygons for your districts.However, I reckon there could still be sources of contention.Because political orientation is correlated with population density, there is a possibility that this algorithm, which ingests spatial population data and thus density indirectly, could be biased towards the dems or the gop. Perhaps this uncertainty alone could trash consensus. Of course, you could seek to assert that there is no bias through some investigation, but perhaps the parties won't believe you.But I guess all these things can be ironed out.
>>534340405>how the parliamentary system has been adopted by other countries then significantly improvedI'll make a note to learn about that when I read politics.
>>534340975Fundamentally, it's been the GOP that has quashed all of the attempts to ban gerrymandering this century, so they believe that it benefits them. You can basically assume a priori that no redistricting reforms will ever be acceptable, since they probably do not approach it in good faith.
>>534341187I don't mean to attack you. I would just go research the Australian and New Zealand senate in particular, and the Canadian senate. The parliamentary model has come a long way since the UK design.Preferential voting is also a massive improvement on the British system of first-past-the-post, which has serious issues with 'spoilers' - this issue was particularly bad in the previous general election where Farage's party spoiled the conservatives in most seats, handing Labor the massive majority they have now, without actually earning it. I'm not pro-Farage or conservative, but FPTP is not fit for purpose. Britain had a referendum about adopting the Australian system of preferential voting, but unfortunately due to ignoranace and misinformation, the referendum failed. Australia's voting system has numbering of your preferences from 1 to whatever. And it means you can safely vote third party as first preference without 'wasting' your vote because if your first preference fails to get up, your second preference is used and if that fails, third preference. So it means independents and third parties are much more successful here and it breaks the strangehold two major parties have on the system. Which is why so much effort was put into making sure it failed in the referendum in the UK. It creates perverse incentives for both major parties to collaborate to protect themselves from real competition.
>>534341396Do you honestly believe Americans could handle preferential voting kek? They can't even get more than 65% of the eligible population into booths
>>534341468UK also hovers around that
>>534336589>>534336856>Race based considerations end right as whites lose the majority / become a minority. Really activates the almonds
>>534341468Probably not, but it's pretty fucking braindead. Not like our population are universally filled with nobel prize winners and they figure out how to number all the boxes. First-past-the-post is a 100+ year old antique that only benefits duopoly in all countries and needs to go away.
>>534340189>bizarre and exhausting to hear it's somehow fraudulent with no evidence provided>shut up and ignore the videos and convictions for both illegal ballot harvesting and drop box destructionIt's been the same story ever since the tampering in the 60s.
>>534341545>shut up and ignore the videos and convictions for both illegal ballot harvesting and drop box destructionIf you actually look into this shit, this didn't actually happen. Most of this originated from 2000 Mules which the creator has since admitted was largely fabricated. Maybe instead of being smug you should research things properly before sharing your dumb fucking opinion online
>>534341468>They can't even get more than 65% of the eligible population into boothsNot voting is also a vote, and in this rigged system it's a legitimate one
>>534336621CA used to be so bad that even more moderate Dems called out the "Ribbon of Shame". It's only moderately better now.
>>534336513>De-gerrymanderThe republicans already gerrymandered. Time to fix it.
>>534341585>shifts from "no evidence" to "most of">maybe instead of being smug you should research things properly before sharing your dumb fucking opinion online
>>534341842>I intend to remain ignorant, research nothing, spread misinformation and act smug about it!!!You are actually too stupid to argue with, let me guess, Alberta?
>>534336815>>534336706Lol, lmao even. Retarded niggerfaggot. I hate kike Republicans but democrats are even more full force on white genocide. Democrats invented Gerrymandering. Gerry was a liberal by the 1700s standards, progressive Democrat practically. He chopped up his district till it looked like a fucking SALAMANDER so they call it Gerrymandering.
>>534336691Sneed's Feed & Seed (formerly Chuck's). Also, "Bart's Fart & Shart" doesn't make any sense because the store wasn't called "Feed & Sheed" under Sneed's ownership so stop posting it.
>>534341319Yes because democrats gerrymandered already in the last century. If democrats approached the issue in good faith by proposing laws that actually you know undo their gerrymandering then I'm sure republicans would be willing to listen. But they of course do no such thing. Democrat "ban gerrymandering" bills are categorically one of those where the tittle says "save the children" but the text says "children will be sacrificed to moloch" type of deals. Also my point wasn't that it was this>>534341108Look at the map there, it seems "fair" and maybe even "scientific" but what actually happens when you do that is now you have communities split in 2 because a computer had to draw a line just there. In reality almost no one is happy with maps like this because of stuff like that. So again the problem comes that you first have to agree to what you consider a fair and balanced way to split the population up, the question isn't if that favors X or Y but rather if people are happy with the split you decided which will never happen and when you force the issue despite the protests then the guys who lost always call it gerrymandering because that's what it is.
>>534341915>>534342262You disingenuous faggots should just be executed to save the world holy shit
>>534338452And how many seats is that?
>>534341907>shift to personal attacks instead of providing any counterYou're mad because you know you're lying, anon.Shall we do the bare minimum and wipe you out with a first result wikipedia page?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cases_of_electoral_fraud_in_the_United_StatesOh look, multiple absentee and mail in ballot conspiracies, guilty verdicts, and convictions in the past three decades from the literal MINIMUM AMOUNT of digging.
>>534339110>no voter ID required to vote as it can be used to restrict legitimate voters from voting by making identification hard to accessNigger piece of shit, every civilized country has this without problems.
>>534342835Prosecution requires an amenable prosecutor and in districts where fraud occurs the prosecutor is on the same side. It also requires that evidence not be destroyed by staff who are also on the same side. You are bad at this shilling thing. There are people on camera admitting to it like the staffer who got fired for bragging about it to the Veritas plant.
>>534343218If voter ID is required for voting, then ID and background checks must also be required for owning firearms.
>>534343341>you're bad at this shilling thing>also i agree with youDid you click the wrong post, anon?
>>534336513One person one vote. There's your representation cletus.
>>534336513The Electoral College needs to be abolished. One man. One vote. Is how it should be. Fuck hicks in Wyoming and Montana and shit.
>>534341533ends? It never should have started to begin with, but dems gonna dem and not understand how the government works. Ooops, I mean, they understand, they just refuse to follow it, twist meanings and words, and want to steal power because their ideas suck and all fail everyone but the people who exploit their illegal schemes.
>>534340523Virginia. What Spamberger did was specifically against their own state constitution.
>>534341907Whoops. Looks like this ID wont be returning to spread more liberal lies LOL You had a good run. Fuck off chink
>>534343919Redhats wipe their asses with the constitution every waking moment and piss themselves with laughter about it. The document has no meaning if only one side obeys it.
>>534343859Thanks for displaying your complete ignorance of the government you live in. This is why forefathers, people more read and million times smarter than you didn't want you to have voting rights. You're a fucking retard who can only accomplish one thing, destroying society.
>>534340405>Lords are not 'subject matter experts', they're the inbred offspring of landowners from the past few centuries. They have no qualification to occupy that seat other than birth.You are simply wrong, the Lords was already reformed in the 90s to be 95% appointed by the Prime Minister. Many are just political appointees but there is a large section of "cross-benchers" who aren't party members and are there (in theory) because they have backgrounds in law, science, business, etc. and can provide more informed scrutiny of bills (again, in theory). All the current government is doing is downgrading the few remaining hereditary Lords to lifetime Lords.I do think it should be reformed further so it's at least partially elected, but governments often like the current system where they can just appoint their friends as Lords and don't want the effort of restructuring it.
The House should have 10,000 representatives and they should be randomly selected from birth citizens at random like a jury.
>>534342434Stay mad you nigger faggot. Voting doesn't change anything.
