Actor Jaakko Ohtonen as Jesus in Mel Gibson's new film “The Resurrection of the Christ”.Thoughts?
wow im glad we're having so much jesus in media just before holy world war 3
>>534349742Revengr against jews for all the raceswaps of white characters they do in movies.
>>534349791Who's fighting who?
>>534349742Jim Caviezel was so kino, it'll be hard to top. But this dude looks like a chad Jesus. Also, in the Bible, they didn't recognize Jesus at first so his ressurected form is more glorious and Chad
>>534349742Please oh plaeaaase let the alice springs aboriginal autonomous zone be a reality. pleaaaase
>>534349742What happened to the other Jesus dude? This guy looks like Cromagnon Jesus lol
>>534350242>wop jesus becomes nordic jesus after he died
>>534349742Jews are brown
>>534350287When they eat the fish after he's ressurected and Jesus brings Surströmming
>>534349742Gibson was going to use the original actors and de-age them, went on to hire them, then fired everyone after realizing it won't work because CGI will never be that good.
>>534349742>Jaakko OhtonenI think a Finn is a goof fit for portraying a psychotic homosexual pedophile peddling a destructive desert demon cult. Very good fit.An Estonian would be better, though.
>>534350364Deaging looks like fuckin shit. It's always distracting
Why is there a doctor in the movie
>>534350386Red Cross: Origins
>>534349742Shroud of Turin proved Jesus looked more or less similar to this man. The Levant used to be made up of quite different people before things happened. People like to compartmentalize their worldview into neat little boxes which are generally wrong because the world is more nuanced than they can interpret
>>534350533This is true. Based on just that it's excellent casting
>>534349742Ancient Finns populated the entire world before jews invented niggers.
>>534350373do we have a seething russian?
>>534350589The 13th tribe is Fingolia
>>534350589> Ancient Finns populated the entire world before jews invented niggers.Sounds like bullshit but I believe it.
>>534350287>Middle East has been niggerfied in the last 1400 years because of the kaliphates & Jihad> Lets depict people from 2000 years ago as niggerfiedOnly Globosexuals and Kikes are this Retarded and Evil.Burn inside your mother's favorite synagogue, Yitzhak
Should have been a black guy to celebrate diversity.
>>534350282He quit acting to go after child sex traffickers, like Trump.
>>534350603Yes. Those rats hate their host countries but deep down understand that russia is a shithole not worth living in.
>>534351069Based
>>534351167What a strange thing to say Mykola.
>>534351009>Jeebus, muh nigga
>>534351216Is it that hard to believe that its just normal finns? Russia the only thing every party from left to right agrees on here
>>534350373>psychotic homosexual pedophile peddling a destructive desert demon cult.anon, he's not playing Netanyahu and this is not a movie about the E.U.S.S.R. either
>>534350107>>534349791>>534349742
>>534349742Do these people realize that most Mediterranean people look basically the same, if they're actually there for 2000 years.The medeteranian was sea used as the main transport hub for nearly all Empires from that time from ancient super early Egypt, Greek, Rome to the late stage ones of Ottoman Turkey and Medival Italy. Sailors would get out of the boats, fuck some woman make an extra kid, repeat this 2000 years and combine it with actual empires and nonstop constant slave transfers and there you have it. These are modern day Syrians in Syria. They look like long nosed greeks. So the only thing thats wrong about that Jesus there is he probably had Black hair.
>>534349742Why didn't they cast the last guy lol
>>534351294We can tell it's you by typing style and retarded shit you say.
>>534350589ancient finns actually discovered america but the eternal swede is trying to erase our history
>faithslop 2no thanks
>>534349742The smile of a man with an intact foreskin
>le borgia jesus>worshiping a rabbithe christ cult is so cringe
>>534349742>Thoughts?Quite bold to cast an Asian as Jesus
>>534349742His movie, he can make it however the fuck he wants.I doubt he'll be asking any kikes for their approval or any advice. if he did, it would only be to do the opposite
>>534351376WE
>be me>Dark Messiah >Not even gnosticism >Kill them>After a long Battle, everyone is safe>No judgement day anymore >Somehow, people with guaranteed Hellfire take huge offense and start doing black magick to me. >Because god would be a Demiurge, right >And he, being gone forever would reward the people whom he kicked from Heaven long ago>For doing exactly the same thingsGonna be frank, have a down syndrome choose your finances over your own criteria, you're dumber
>>534349742He is risen. And he's pissed.
>>534349742looks like Rabbi Shmuley
>>534350282Caviezel is almost 60, and he went a bit crazy after being hit by lightning during the filming of the first one
>>534351920Retard doesn't understand to Romans and Greeks Yehuda was an Asian religious radical.
>>534349742Impostor and fakeThis is how a real Finn looks like
He looks too masculine for jesus.
>>534349742Finnish Jesus would have had a puukko, which he would use to stab the pharisees. Then drink some booze to treat his autism.
>>534351294I recognize this Ukrainian draft dodger anywhere. He’s been gore posting for years.
>>534349742Finns are brown
>>534351281>forgib dem lawd, they don't think it be like it is, but it do.ngl i'd watch it.
>>534350533>provedIt didn't prove anything because it's a sham
>>534349742Whoa, a new Jewish propaganda movie? That's so cool!
Two men will be in a field. One will be taken, the other left
>>534351002>Middle East has been niggerfied in the last 1400 years because of the kaliphates & JihadThis right here. These people are retarded
>>534351563>So the only thing thats wrong about that Jesus there is he probably had Black hair.Not necessarily. I am "med" and I have blonde hair. Also, look at Jesus' lineage. He is descendant from king David and David was ruddy.
>>534351844>memeflaggotKYS right now. Anyone believing your lies is retarded, we have icons from way before the 15th century. Dumbass.
>>534349742Is it true the movie tales place in 2044 during the 2nd comming?
>>534349742Put your meme flag back on with the rest of the Juden, did kikes already get paid their share of the $720mil already?
>>534350287
>>534349742that's a jewJesus wasn't a jewJesus was a Hebrew, to whom jews are completely unrelated
>>534349742Lmao christianity literally and non ironically comes from the butthole
>>534351844Hey retard, here's the Christ Pantocrator from St. Catherine’s Monastery. Dated mid 6th century (that's around 550 Anno Domini for the extra retarded).
They should cast a nigger as Jesus
>>534353777Checked heavenly digits
>>534349742That's the least Finnish looking Finn I've ever seen
Mel Gibson is the biggest sellout cuck I have ever seen. But that's to be expected by anyone who works in entertainment as a brainwashing parasite.
So much oven dodger kvetching in this thread.
>>534349742Looks fine to me. That's more or less how most people imagine Christ.
>>534353578The funniest shit is that kikes have internalized how hated they are. So their first instinct is to call everyone else a kike.
>>534354576ThisPlus it matches the miraculous experiences of nearly all known mystics.
>>534349742the story of christ literally ends with his deathhis resurrection in 3 days was just a final adendum of superstitious copeas a character he did jack shit after being resurrected aside from splitting the big rock blocking the entrance to the crypt/cave his body was burried intoi never got what the point of his resurrection was if all he does afterwards is go to heaver like a dead man should
>>534349742Whoa, what is this, 1930's Germany? Historical figures get portrayed by actors of different races all the time. There's nothing wrong with a racially "inaccurate" depiction of Jesus since we don't value things like "racial accuracy" anymore, remember?
>>534349742athis guy looks like me do that's jewish enough to me, despite /pol/'s cope we ain't sandniggers.
>>534354185Here's the original Jesus. It's Gandhi with a magic wand.
>>534351294Russhits actually believe the propaganda that everyone loves them, especially Finland, and wants to join russia as a vassal.
>>534349742why not use the same guy as last time?
>>534354576>That's more or less how most people imagine Christ.you be wrong, dawg
>>534349742People tend to forget that Jesus lived five hundred years before the Arab invasion, the Turkmen invasion, the mongol invasion. While the lavent was north European white, it wasn't what we see in the middle east today.
>>534355379this may surprises you brown turds browsing /pol/ but Europeans have figured out population genetics and sequencing of ancient DNA more than 10 years ago completely disproving any such nonsense(which is also against what ancients said e.g Greeks called those south of them darker than them, Egyptians wooly haired and black, etc...)
>>534350589This but unironically.
>>534351376Absolutely true. Jesus was a descendant of David who was a descendant of Abraham. Abraham was from Sumer (I favor Northern Ur or "Ur of the Chaldees"). Abraham like some Sumerians might have had blue eyes.We know this because of the votive figures found there from the exact time Abraham lived. King David, was descendant from Abraham. Once the Assyrians took the 10 northern tribes to what is now the northern part of Iraq and Iran, they replaced the Israelites with darker skinned people (where the Samaritans in the Bible come from) , Anyway, the northern tribes of Israel and everyone else in ancient Israel were of the J1 or J2 haplogroup. Once the Assyrian empire collapsed the ten tribes mixed with the R1a and Rb haplogroup and moved into Northern Europe - which is why the typical northern European has mostly R1 and R2 Y chromosomes, there is a strong presence of J1 and J2 mixed in. Using a Scandinavian man to portray Jesus of the house of David, descended from a potentially blue eyed Abraham is historically accurate. (also - use the LXX timeline and the pedigree mutation rate when thinking about these things).
>>534355379>it wasn't what we see in the middle east today.The locals who converted to Islam quickly retained their Europoid completion, the others were raped and enslaved and gradually became barker. Picrel is a Lebanese man.
>>534355793Picrel is a Lebanese man.
>>534355764>Once the Assyrians took the 10 northern tribes to what is now the northern part of Iraq and Iran, they replaced the Israelites with darker skinned people (where the Samaritans in the Bible come from) , Anyway, the northern tribes of Israel and everyone else in ancient Israel were of the J1 or J2 haplogroup. Once the Assyrian empire collapsed the ten tribes mixed with the R1a and Rb haplogroup and moved into Northern Europe - which is why the typical northern European has mostly R1 and R2 Y chromosomes, there is a strong presence of J1 and J2 mixed in.bhahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahaha where do these lying turdy muttlings come from, look at it go
>>534354185>500 years later the absolute stateeverything about your jew slave psyop is basically made up nonsense
>>534355285>"Treat another nigga how you down to be fucked with, you feel me?"Also, Lil C after Peter denied him three times: "Shiiiiieeeeeeeeeet"
>>534351376Link the study
>>534355824You might not like it, but you can't say I am wrong. I understand a spaghetti nigger being upset about it though. You are basically the descendant of moors. Y haplogroup genetics do not lie. The mutation that causes blue eyes originated in the near east - proven. Phylogenetic mutation rates are assumed - not observed. Pedigree mutation rates are the observed rate of genetic change - proven. The historical record of four European nations tell you what happened and where the Scots, British, Irish, etc came from. You might not like it, but you have no arguments against it.
>>534356194>but you can't say I am wrongYou're wrong
>>534355193> Finland, wants to join russia as a vassalSaid no Russian ever.
>>534356194>but you can't say I am wrong.I absolutely can as I have actually followed the field of population genetics for tens of years at this point, and I could ask you to name a single sample corroborating your mongrel ape nonsense you wouldn't be able to give me one ID, you are free to name a single R1b-U106 from the ancient near east corroborating your retarded shit colored american mongrel nonsense. You won't be able to. Christian animals have long lost the discourse online and all you have left is incessant spam of poorly digested 10-15 years old nonsense. It's that embarrassing.
Waiting for Mel to do this one.
>>534356323I didn't say R1 came from the middle east you nit wit. I said J1 and J2 did. And - the Peqi’in Cave study identified that approximately 49% of the individuals buried there carried the genetic markers for blue eyes. The remains are roughly 6,500 years old (c. 4500 BCE). This provides a fixed "anchor point" in time. We know the blue-eye mutation was not just present but highly prevalent in the Levant by 4500 BCE. We know the blue eyed trait was in Ur as I said because we have direct archaeological evidence for it. And if one ignores the phylogenetic rate - and actually uses the uniformitarian pedigree rate (Parsons et al. (1997) study—observed mutation rates in families that were roughly 3 to 10 times faster than those used in evolutionary models) - we have blue eyes showing up in the Levant at the exact right time for Abraham to pass that trait to his offspring.
>>534357051R1a and R1b: These are not the dominant "Israelite" markers. R1b is very common in Western Europe (associated with steppe migrations, Bell Beaker, etc.). R1a is high in Eastern Europe/Central Asia (Slavic, Indo-Iranian links). They appear in Jewish populations (e.g., some Ashkenazi Levites have R1a, likely from later European admixture), but this doesn't indicate the core ancient Israelite paternal line.
>>534357051you said>the Assyrian empire collapsed the ten tribes mixed with the R1a and Rb haplogroup and moved into Northern Europe - which is why the typical northern European has mostly R1 and R2 Y chromosomesergo you are linking R1a and R1b in Europe to a migration from the near east, ergo m question about evidence of the current subclades of R1a and R1b in north Europe having anything to do with the middle east. Your lack of a single sample confirms you have no idea what you are babbling about and your concession is thus accepted.>We know the blue-eye mutation was not just present but highly prevalent in the Levant by 4500 BCEit wasn't, you are looking at the singe exception of a bunch of cavemen and ignoring all other stone age samples from the levant which do not have that mutation at any even remotely relevant frequency, mutation which is perfectly explained there as Anatolians had it even before them.Of course, you are also blissfully unaware that the blue eyed mutation has been in Europe at least since the epipaleolithic/mesolithic as samples from the Villabruna cluster carry it alreadyseriously stop babbling about things way beyond your negrified mongrel brain, you are clueless
>>534357051Sumerian votive statues with lapis lazuli eyes are artistic/symbolic (attentiveness to gods), not demographic proof of widespread blue eyes in southern Mesopotamia. While some lighter-pigmented individuals existed across the Near East due to trade and migrations, there's no strong evidence that blue eyes were typical in Sumer proper around Abraham's conventional timeframe (~2000–1800 BCE). The Peqi’in signal is northern Levant-specific and earlier.
>>534357051Blue eyes (and lighter skin alleles) were present and somewhat common in parts of the Chalcolithic Levant due to northern admixture. It's possible some Semitic/Sumerian-adjacent groups carried them by the Bronze Age. However, this doesn't make blue eyes a defining or widespread Sumerian/Abrahamic trait, nor does it validate the ten tribes Northern Europe idea. J1/J2 remain the primary paternal haplogroups tied to ancient Israelite/Canaanite lineages, with European R1 coming later.Ancient DNA keeps refining the picture— migrations were complex, and pigmentation varied. The Levant was a crossroads. If you're drawing a line from Peqi’in-like people to patriarchal figures, it's a stretch but not impossible given regional mobility.
>>534349742Jesus was a Neanderthal
>>534349742>man of middle eastern descentSo european looking jews colonizing Palestine don't belong in middle east?
I didn't like how they digitally browned Caviezel's eyes for the original
>>534351563You're awfully short sighted. People from Levant, Caucasus, Persia, Egypt, Asia minor, etc have been living way before islam started or even before abrahamic religions started. They were populated by white races from yamnaya tribes. Ao of course people living in todays middle east are prominently white looking. Sailors from europe dumping their cum in dockside prostitutes have no relevance in middle easterners looking white
>>534357218Can you jackasses not read? I did not say that R1 came from the middle east. And - I am not using the phylogenetic mutation rates. I am using the observable mutation rates from pedigree studies. In antiquity almost 50% of the people in the ANE could have had blue eyes. If one applies the pedigree rates (observed) to the history of genetics and considers that Israelites practiced cousin marriage - it is entirely possible that Jesus had blue eyes.I concede nothing>>534357269I dare you to find me one cuneiform tablet that tells us why the votive figures had blue eyes. You won't find it because you can't - I looked. The only other esplanation is that they actually had blue eyes - or at least some of them did. Again, this is about using an observable mutation rate - Pedigree. And gain - the prominent DNA in Northern Europe is R1/2 - however - there is the presence of the Levantine J1/2 in Europe from antiquity (aDNA) - it got there somehow.
>>534349742Good
>Jaakko
>>534349742Jesus was, is and always will be a Fin
>>534349742If anything he's more swarthy than the historical description of Jesus' appearance. What's with all these retards suddenly trying to pretend like Jesus wasn't blatantly white.
>>534349742schnoz too smol
You cannot replicate the Shroud of Turin even in modern labs due to the special attributes it has (encoded 3D information via brightness differences, extreme superficiality, no fluorescence under UV light, natural photographic negative, no pigments used, anatomically correct crucification marks (unlike ~all depictions in the middle ages show, the nails went through the wrists and the shroud shows this as well, so this alone should lead to heavy doubt whether it's a medieval forgery), etcThe only way to achieve similar results is via extreme laser pulseshttps://rentry.org/shroud-of-turin-27042026
>>534350364Tron: Legacy did a decent job as did Rogue One but a lot of that was actually just repurposed old footage. Incredibly expensive too.
>>534357904>I am using the observable mutation ratesLet's see them Votive purpose: These statues (often from Early Dynastic period, ~2900–2350 BCE) served as stand-ins for worshippers in temples. They "prayed" perpetually on behalf of the donor before the god. The oversized, wide-open eyes symbolized constant attentiveness, vigilance, awe, and devotion — never blinking or looking away. Clasped hands reinforced the prayer gesture.Lapis lazuli choice: This deep blue stone was extremely valuable, imported from Afghanistan, and associated with divinity, prestige, and protection (apotropaic qualities, warding off evil). Using it for eyes (or hair in some descriptions) elevated the statue's power and connected the figure to the divine realm. It was not necessarily meant to be a literal portrait
>>534358131The shroud doesn't match the biblical account
>>534349742Looks too masculine. In every portrait, even the Orthodox ones, Jesus has a very narrow almost feminine face.
Is Mel producing this out of his own pockets again?
>>534358260Cause hes depicted as starving, you know being punished for your sins
>>534357904>it is entirely possible that Jesus had blue eyes.you went from claiming migration from the levant into Europe to "well maybe jesus had blue eyes!", lmaoyes it's technically possible but again, it's amazing to see the arrogance of someone who is completely unaware we have DNA not just from da epic copper age cavemen from israel but also MLBA israel, IA israel and Roman/Hellenistic levant, much more relevant, and blue eyes there were at a very low frequencyI once even computed it using DORA(back when the online tool worked) and the frequency of the HERC2 allele goes DOWN from those stone age cavemen>there is the presence of the Levantine J1/2 in Europe from antiquity (aDNA) - it got there somehow.1. it's not levantine at all, not originally, every single ancient sample by age and region points to the caucasus, both are linked to the CHG-Zagrosian component, hardly the Natufian/Levantine component2. in Europe they are overwhelmingly explained by Greek-related and Balkan related populations, in the Balkans J2b2 comes from the steppe, in Greeks it comes from Pelasgians who had a strong caucasian component
>>534356283Wdym? Russians seriously think they are the richest happiest nation in the world and everyone else envies them.
>>534349742>Thoughts?I don't know why people think Jesus would've been a dark skinned arab and not looked like a palestinian chrsitian if the area he lived in was pre-islamic colonialization.
>>534358319J2b2 movement animation based on cutting edge data
>>534353516that's a joke that'd get old in the first ten minutes, it's a big reason why that show was boring as fuck
>>534350242Shroud of Turin shows Jesus has a chad jaw.
>>534358346ancient Greek Y-DNA
>>534349742think about it: if God came to earth and could choose any body and choose his birth because he's the literal inventor and lead developer of this life simulation, what would he choose? being a fly infested brown shitbag with a hooknose or be some half-greek half-ar(y)ameian aryan with extremely good looks? he came to earth to be charismatic leader and spread his message for as many people to hear as possible, he did not come to earth to be a shitskin scam artist being mogged by anyone, even chimpanzees. God is logos so his choice was obviously logical too.
>>534349742I don't get why jews dunk on Christians with the Jesus was brown shit but like, god promised the levant to like scarlett johannson and bibi chermowski or what ever the fuck his real name is. Like what are we doing here kike?
>>534357257What I am doing is ignoring the phylogenetic mutation rate and instead apply an observed pedigree mutation rate to the data. I did not say the presence of other phenotype markers did not exist - only that in the northern levant where Abraham came from blue eyes existed. I use the Northern UR, near Haran as the starting point. And, that is where the votive figures and the genetics tell us blue eyes were. If Abraham had blue eyes and if his wife did, and the "tribe" continuously married from among their own people - the marker for blue eyes would have become fixed in that specific population. It would have then potentially been passed to Jesus a descendant of David.
>>534349742Levantines are lightskinned and it was only made darker during the Arab conquests. The Arabs are native to the Eastern and Southern Peninsula which is mostly sterile sunbaked desert. Levantines look like Greeks.
>>534358209Sure - Parsons et al. (1997) published in Nature Genetics.Sigurðardóttir et al. (2000) – The Icelandic Pedigree StudyHowell et al. (2003) – The "Rapid Evolution" Study. Published in the American Journal of Human Genetics, this study looked at "pedigree-based" vs. "phylogeny-based" rates.Awadalla et al. (1999) – Nuclear DNA Rates. research into nuclear DNA (where the HERC2/blue-eye gene sits) also shows higher-than-expected rates when looking at parent-offspring trios. This study suggested that recombination and mutation rates are high enough that significant phenotypic changes can happen in very short historical windows.You are using the old fashioned unobserved and assumed phylogenetic mutation rates and the narrative built on that - I am using observed science to calculate when things happened genetically. Yes - I know the. argument for the purpose behind the blue eyes in the votives statues and it is a modern interpretation - not one based on any evidence - basically they ignored the real possibility tha tthe votives had blue eyes because people then had blue eyes in that area (some of them).
>>534350373>I'm a worthless pedo faggotKill yourself you stupid demon nigger
>>534358299This. They focus too much on the 40 day fast at the beginning of his ministry. People who claim to have encountered him have mentioned they are surprised by how muscular he is.
>>534351669and yet the only culture you left behind was that most redskins were still entirely unintelligible when we arrived.
>>534356127Different study but says the same thing 97.5% of ashkenazi jews have 0 semitic genesBy John Hopkins
>>534358319I don't know what your assumptions are. Mine are that the pedigree mutation rates are the most reliable. This observed rate shortens the time needed. And the main argument in my op was that it is possible Jesus of Nazareth had blue eyes. I added the Assyrian captivity / Sakae/ Scythian British Israelism because I knew it would annoy people like you. You obviously know more about genetics than I do - so what. A thing is true based on data and I prefer mine observable. If 49% of the Peqi’in population in the Levant carried the markers for light eyes and skin 6,500 years ago (archaeological date), and the Parsons (1997) pedigree rate shows that mutations spread 20x faster than we think, on what genetic basis are you claiming that this specific Davidic pedigree lost that trait before the time of Christ—especially considering the Arab/Muslim genetic turnover didn't happen for another 600 years?
>>534350242>Here’s why the actor change is lore accurate
>>534351376Lmao no
>>534355764Not based in reality at all. La cretura de christ brain
>>534351376This. David had curly blonde hair. Think Paul Walker.
>>534358345>the area he lived in was pre-islamic colonialization.This
>>534359223nigger you are embarrassing you keep yapping about mutation rates and 25+ years old studies when we have 10000+ ancient DNA samples to look at directly accumulated over the last 10 years, get a fucking grip, you are like someone yapping about theoretical corpuscula to someone who has been using an electronic microscope, get with the times>considering the Arab/Muslim genetic turnover didn't happen for another 600 years?see, there it is again, yapping about things that never happened and confidently doing so
>>534356194You are absolutely wrong goblin
>>534359334Posting a random picture doesn't mean anything and you did not address the underlying assumptions you are using. Completely meaningless post.
>>534357051Europeans go as far back as 40k B.C. in Spain. WE WUZZZZ
Based, I wonder if there will be any spurdo memes.
>>534359409You have not shown how the studies are wrong. Try again.
>>534359564I have by posting data from direct sampling, your concession has been accepted, your inability to post a single ancient DNA sample corroborating your nonsense noted, your illiteracy on population genetics of the last 15 years confirmed, you are done.
>>534359409 An electronic microscope shows you what is there now; it doesn't tell you how old it is. Having 10,000 ancient DNA (aDNA) samples is like having 10,000 frames of a movie. You can see the images clearly, but the pedigree mutation rate determines the frame rate. If you use the phylogenetic rate, the movie is 10 hours long. If you use the observable pedigree rate (uniformitarianism), the movie is 30 minutes long. The samples don't change, but the history does.Science isn't fashion; a study isn't 'out of style' because it’s 25 years old if its findings haven't been refuted. Parsons (1997) and Sigurðardóttir (2000) remain valid because they are based on direct observation. The 'new' studies you are talking about (like the ones from the Max Planck Institute) simply assume the slow rate to calibrate their dates. That's circular reasoning: you assume the rate is slow to prove the samples are old, then use the age of the samples to prove the rate is slowStudies like Haber et al. (2017) in The American Journal of Human Genetics specifically show that "The Arab expansion... brought ancestry from the Arabian Peninsula that is present in all Levantines today. To claim there was no genetic turnover after the Islamic Conquest isn't just ignoring me; it's ignoring the last decade of Levant paleogenetics. Modern Levantines are a mix of ancient populations and later migrations. My point is that the 1st-century Davidic pedigree represented the pre-mix population—the one that looked like the Peqi’in samples (49% light-eye alleles)
>>534359827Not done at all see >>534359860
>>534359860>An electronic microscope shows you what is there now; it doesn't tell you how old it isthat's what carbon dating and archaeological context is for you fucking clown, there's no point in furthering this grotesque spectacle, you lack the basics
>>534349742It will have Timothy getting banished to india for questioning christ's resurection?
>>534359940You’re confusing the hardware with the software. Carbon dating tells us when the person in Peqi’in died. Nobody is arguing that. The Pedigree Mutation Rate tells us how long it took for that blue-eyed mutation to appear and spread before that person was born. If you use the observed pedigree rate (uniformitarianism), the 'genetic age' of that trait is thousands of years younger than the 'phylogenetic age.' Carbon dating doesn't solve the mutation rate discrepancy; it only highlights itANd you are not actually proving anything and I have offered studies. You are whining aobut how old they are - well science is science regardless of age unless something disproves it, which you haven't. The Peqi’in Cave samples ARE direct ancient DNA sampling. A 2018 study by Harney et al., "Ancient DNA from Chalcolithic Israel reveals the role of population mixture in cultural transformation," is based on direct sampling of 22 individuals. That study confirmed that these individuals carried the blue-eye allele (rs12913832) and light-skin alleles. It was a modern, high-res aDNA study—explicitly found the blue-eye allele in the Levant. This isn't 'theoretical corpuscula'; it’s direct sampling. My point is that when you apply the observable pedigree mutation rate (uniformitarianism) to that specific sample, the timeline for that trait being in the Davidic line becomes an empirical certainty, not a guess."
>>534359996then paul cuts timmys dick off. I don't understand how people aren't just fucking exhausted with this shit by now.
>>534359168Incorrect
>>534358944Please point out where these studies claim what you're claiming
>jesus was a mongoloid t. gibson lol
>>534358944>Awadalla et al. (1999) – Nuclear DNA Rates. research into nuclear DNA (where the HERC2/blue-eye gene sits) also shows higher-than-expected rates when looking at parent-offspring trios. This study suggested that recombination and mutation rates are high enough that significant phenotypic changes can happen in very short historical windows.The key HERC2 regulatory mutation for most blue eyes is a specific SNP (rs12913832) that arose once on a specific haplotype. Ancient DNA shows it was already present and at appreciable frequency in parts of West Eurasia by the Chalcolithic (~4500 BCE in Peqi’in), consistent with origin estimates of ~6–10k years ago. Trio studies help calibrate recent rates but don't overturn the timeline for this variant's spread, which involved selection and migration over millennia, not rapid post-Abrahamic emergence.Recombination does shuffle existing variation and can create new combinations quickly, but it doesn't create the blue-eye allele itself. High recombination hotspots exist, but they don't accelerate the origin of specific functional mutations like this one to fit a compressed biblical timeline.Pedigree/trio studies (including Awadalla's group) are excellent for modern genetics and show mutation/recombination dynamics, but they don't support rewriting ancient population genetics or pigmentation history to make blue eyes a sudden patriarchal-era phenomenon in Sumer. The archaeological and aDNA record (including Peqi’in) already gives us direct snapshots
>>534358944>Howell et al. (2003) – The "Rapid Evolution" Study. Published in the American Journal of Human Genetics, this study looked at "pedigree-based" vs. "phylogeny-based" rates.These studies show that mutation observation in one generation can be higher than the long-term substitution rate, but they do not mean that complex traits like blue eyes (a specific regulatory SNP) arose or fixed in populations within a few hundred years around the time of Abraham. The HERC2 variant's spread is tracked via ancient DNA and haplotype analysis, showing a more gradual process over thousands of years with migration and selection.
>>534349742To be fair to be able to talk like Jesus he needed to be a chad anyways. All this “trust God he will bless you” only is true if you are a 10/10 looking guy so it checks out.
>>534359996Tim Shallowmay? He is in this too?
>>534360445’I have provided the data and the specific studies (Parsons 1997, Sigurðardóttir 2000, Gibb 2009). Parsons explicitly found an observed mutation rate 20-fold higher than the phylogenetic estimates you are using to calibrate your 10,000 samples.You claim to be well-versed in the last 15 years of population genetics, so you are perfectly capable of reading these papers yourself. If you are as 'microscope-literate' as you say, you don't need me to hold your hand through the difference between an observed pedigree rate and an assumed phylogenetic calibration.The Peqi’in Cave aDNA confirms the blue-eye allele was in the Levant; the Pedigree Rate confirms the timeline for that trait to remain in the Davidic line is possible to the point of high probability. If you choose to ignore the only mutation rate we can actually measure in a lab today because it breaks your 'chimp-split' clock, that’s your prerogative. I’m sticking with the observable evidence.
>>534349742Isn't Jesus supposed to be born of immaculate conception i.e. genetically he's not the son of Joseph and Mary? In that case he could be a gigachad like Dolph Lundgren, no?
>>534359492>>534359492>i can't infer genomic dataChimp
>>534349742Chad son of Pantera
>>534360900>What the fuck...why does he look like one of those barbarian sea people from the northern wastes and not like us?
>>534360620You’re using circular calibration. You date the Peqi’in sample to 4500 BCE using carbon dating, and then you assume the mutation must have happened thousands of years earlier because you are using a slow phylogenetic rate. But if you use the observed pedigree rate (the 20-fold faster clock), the genetic distance required to reach that 50% frequency at Peqi’in is much shorter. The 'snapshot' doesn't change, but the time it took to develop that picture does.I never said the mutation originated with Abraham. I said the Peqi’in aDNA proves the mutation was already a dominant Levantine trait (49% frequency) before the 1st Century. My point is that the pedigree rate proves that recessive traits can be preserved and expressed with high fidelity in endogamous lines (like the House of David) without needing 10,000 years of 'selection.' You are using the 'slow clock' to push the origin back into prehistory, while the 'fast clock' (pedigree) keeps it in a historical timeframeI'm not talking about creating the allele via recombination; I'm talking about the inheritance of the H-1 Haplotype. Once that 'switch' exists (as we see at Peqi'in), the pedigree mutation rate determines how quickly that lineage diverges or remains stable. If the clock runs at the pedigree speed, the 'genetic distance' between the blue-eyed people of Peqi’in and the blue-eyed Davidic line is a narrow, observable window. You are 'stretching' that window using a rate that has never been observed in a living human family.
>>534349791That soldier was punished for his misconduct already, stop bringing it up. It was a one off incident in a high stress environment, it is not representative of the views of the IDF as a whole.
>>534349742WE WUZ JESUS N SHIET
>>534361088>You’re using circular calibrationNope.>Peqi’in Cave DatingThe ~4500 BCE (Chalcolithic) date for the Peqi’in individuals comes from radiocarbon (14C) dating of the bones/contexts and archaeological stratigraphy/cultural artifacts. This is independent of genetic mutation rates. The skeletons themselves are directly dated to that period.>Blue-Eye Allele in Peqi’inThe study directly genotyped the ancient DNA and found the rs12913832 allele (the main blue-eye associated variant) at ~49% frequency in that population. This is an observed fact from sequencing those ~6,500-year-old samples — no rate assumption needed for the snapshot itself.>Haplotype analysisThe variant sits on a specific shared haplotype background. The amount of diversity/recombination around it points to a common ancestor thousands of years before Peqi’in.>Ancient DNA elsewhereThe allele appears in other early samples, building a geographic and temporal pattern.>Phylogenetic molecular clockCalibrated with multiple lines of evidence (ancient DNA tips, archaeological calibrations, human-chimp split, etc.).Pedigree rates (faster short-term observations from families) measure raw mutations per generation. Phylogenetic rates measure fixed substitutions that persist and spread in populations over deep time. The difference arises because:Most new mutations are lost quickly (drift).Selection removes many.Only a small fraction reach high frequencyUsing a 10–20× faster pedigree clock for long-term dating would drastically compress all of human (and primate) evolutionary history, conflicting with:The fossil record.Multiple ancient DNA datasets across Eurasia.Archaeological timelines.Independent calibrations (e.g., other mutations, linkage disequilibrium decay).
>>534361191The country where people spit at the feet of Christians and where you can’t use the + sign in documents because it reminds people of Christ is now trying to pilpul us into thinking they don’t hate Christ. But it’s not working. Your actions constantly betray your Christ-hating nature
>>534351920>>534349742korean jesus
>>534359277By your logic, this is what an real Israelite should look like then
>>534358361First mention of the shroud of Turin already states that it's fake
>>534361088>I said the Peqi’in aDNA proves the mutation was already a dominant Levantine trait (49% frequency) before the 1st Century. My point is that the pedigree rate proves that recessive traits can be preserved and expressed with high fidelity in endogamous lines (like the House of David) without needing 10,000 years of 'selection.' You are using the 'slow clock' to push the origin back into prehistory, while the 'fast clock' (pedigree) keeps it in a historical timeframeYes, the ancient DNA shows the blue-eye associated allele (rs12913832) at ~49% frequency in that Chalcolithic Levantine population. That's a strong direct observation: the variant was already present and common in parts of the Levant long before the Iron Age, David, or the 1st century. It didn't need to arise de novo in the patriarchal or monarchic period.Pedigree studies (including Howell, Parsons, etc.) show that new mutations appear at a measurable rate in families, and heteroplasmy or new variants can be transmitted. In endogamous (closed, intermarrying) groups like priestly/royal lines, specific alleles can be preserved or rise quickly due to:Founder effectsGenetic driftInbreedingSelection (if there's any advantage or cultural preference)A recessive trait like blue eyes (requires two copies for full expression) can persist and express in such lines without needing massive population-wide selection. The House of David or Cohanim could theoretically maintain lighter traits if they were present in their founding stock.>Your view: Fast pedigree rates + endogamy allow blue eyes (and related traits) to fit comfortably within a historical/biblical timeframe for Abraham David Jesus, with preservation in Israelite royal/priestly lines.>Mainstream view: The variant is older (Neolithic/Chalcolithic West Eurasia), reached the Levant via migrations, and could still be present in some ancient Israelite individuals or families.Cnt.
>>534361547Both acknowledge that endogamous lines (like Kohanim or a claimed Davidic line) are good at preserving specific alleles. J1/J2 haplogroups fit the Levantine paternal continuity better than a mass R1 replacement from lost triCan't.The Peqi’in data is compatible with lighter pigmentation existing in the broader region well before the biblical patriarchs. Whether Abraham or David personally carried blue eyes remains unprovable either way, it's plausible but not required by the genetics.
>>534361538>muh fakeKike/atheist predditor cope
Shoulda used him
>>534361653Shroud doesn't match the biblical account of what Peter saw in the tomb
>>534351376>>534355764
>>534361308The mask is off. You’ve admitted the rs12913832 (blue-eye SNP) was at ~49% frequency in the Levant at Peqi’in. You’ve conceded the hardware; now you’re just desperately clinging to a 'Slow Clock' (Phylogenetic) to save your timeline.You admit the Pedigree Rate (observed in families today) is 10-20x faster, but you reject it because it 'conflicts with the fossil record' and 'compresses history.' That’s not science; that’s paradigm maintenance. You are prioritizing an unobservable 6-million-year-old chimp-split assumption over the only mutation rate we can actually measure in a lab (Parsons 1997, Sigurðardóttir 2000).Using 'Selection' as a fudge factor to slow the clock is a theoretical placeholder, not an observation. If you were a true uniformitarian, you’d use the observed rate. Under the Pedigree Rate, the 'genetic distance' between the Levant’s blue-eyed Peqi’in population and the 1st-century Davidic line is minimal.The 'European' look is just the Ancient Near Eastern look that was 'sifted' through the R1 tribes as they moved North. The modern Levant was overwritten by the 7th-century Arab conquest—an event you claim 'never happened' despite Haber et al. (2017) proving the Peninsula/African admixture.Mel Gibson was right. The blue-eyed House of David isn't 'British Israelism'; it’s biological reality based on the only clock we can actually see ticking. Stay mad about the timeline."
>>534354185>That's about 500 years Anno Domini Thanks for proving his point
>The 'European' look is just the Ancient Near Eastern look that was 'sifted' through the R1 tribes as they moved Norththere it is again
>>534351920On which continent is Israel again?
>>534350287Looks Western European to me
>>534354075
>>534349742we wuz jesus
>>534355379
>>534361538The people who call it a fake also believe that whales evolved from deer. It is safe to discard their opinions about literally everything, they should be institutionalized.
>>534349742>100 years from now>someone doing a new movie about WW2>"why is everyone white? i would prefer they all be brown like europe really is"
>>534361653
>>534362259Hell yeah brother, evolution is a sin A-men and A-WOMEN
>>534362290>guy in jewish land goes to jewish religious institutions to reform jewish religion into a new religion>hurRRrr he's a jewwww
>>534349742He looks like Jesus as portrayed in Western myth. That is good enough for me. But then again, I am not a cocksucking leftist.
>>534350533the arab expansion during islam's conquest of the middle east changed the demographics of egypt/the levant and dozens of other regions and peoplesbut that's forbidden history
>>534349742I think its a shame that a Finn portraying money worshiping Jewish pedophile rapist cult leader. Epstein figure of his own time. Should be a jewish actor like Alden Ehrenreich, Elliot Page or something.
>>534362381>slightly changing religion changes your ethnicity
>>534359235Caveziel is too old for it now, the movie is supposed to be right after the last one and the lead actor aged like 20 yearsyeah it's weirder that he changes to a totally different guy but that's moviesCaveziel is kind of an egotistical prick anyway
>>534356194>Y-Dna does not lieSure, but those R1a niggers in Central Africa still aren't Slavs
>>534362396>the arab expansion during islam's conquest of the middle east changed the demographics of egypt/the levant and dozens of other regions and peoplesnope, every single ancient DNA study of the last 5-10 year disproves large population displacements due to arabs
>>534362326Dude is literally Ham and pretends to be Kosher.
>>534351002You worship a circumcised Arab as God. Fucking kek >.<
>>534362477>no linkssure nafrinigger
Israel_C.AG, 4500-3500 BCE, total allele count 20, alternative allele frequency 50% <== what christian bonobos obsess aboutIsrael_MLBA.AG, 1400-1100 BCE, total allele count 30, alternative allele frequency 7% <== crickets
>>534362628it's not that illogical, the levant is right fucking next to the arabian peninsula, the arabs had to go through the levant to get to arabia, stands to reason the levant was largely made up of arabiansdo you think the jews enslaved in egypt that went to the levant were white
>>534361933>The mask is off. You’ve admitted the rs12913832 (blue-eye SNP) was at ~49% frequency in the Levant at Peqi’inI never said it wasn't lol>You admit the Pedigree Rate (observed in families today) is 10-20x fasterYes, however, applying the fast mtDNA pedigree rate directly to date the origin or spread of a specific nuclear SNP like the blue-eye variant, or to compress population-level allele frequencies to a few centuries, is not standard practice. It leads to inconsistencies with:Ancient DNA time seriesHaplotype decayArchaeological correlations>but you reject it because it 'conflicts with the fossil record' and 'compresses history.'I (and mainstream genetics/archaeology) treat the fast pedigree rates as real for short-term observations in families, but reject using them as the primary clock for dating ancient population events or allele origins because they create major conflicts with multiple independent lines of evidence:The fossil record (hominin remains, gradual morphological changes over hundreds of thousands of years)Ancient DNA time series from dozens of sites across Eurasia (showing gradual allele frequency changes, not sudden recent origins)Archaeological and stratigraphic timelinesHaplotype diversity and linkage disequilibrium decay around specific variants (including the blue-eye SNP)Cross-validation with other mutation types and calibration pointsIf we applied a consistent 10–20× faster clock across the board, it would compress not just blue eyes, but the entire timeline of modern human origins, Out-of-Africa migration, the spread of agriculture, and much of recorded ancient history into implausibly short windows. This is why the field uses time-dependent rate models or calibrated phylogenetic rates that reconcile short-term observations with long-term data.Cnt.
>>534349742wtf what happened to the other guy??
>>534362435>being too much of a low IQ animal to understand that judaism is both either/and/or ethnicity, religion and/or culture so everytime you call someone a jew without qualifying you reveal yourself to be a retard
>>534361933>>534362761Fast pedigree rates useful for recent genealogy and understanding mutation processes.Slow phylogenetic rates better for reconstructing events thousands of years ago.Blue eyes in ancient Israel/Judah plausible (via regional variation already present).Mass lost tribes Northern Europe replacement not supported by genetics or history.The fast clock doesn't get rejected out of hand; it's rejected for deep-time applications because it doesn't fit the total evidence. If new ancient DNA or better calibration methods change that consensus, science will update.
>>534362477You're confusing 'displacement' with 'admixture.' No one is saying the locals were wiped out. We are saying their phenotype was overwritten. Haber et al. (2017)—the very study you're likely relying on—explicitly states that 'Arabs from the Peninsula brought ancestry that is present in all Levantines today.' They found that modern Levantines have double the amount of Arabian-related ancestry compared to the Bronze Age. If you double the input from a brown-eyed population, you 'overwrite' a recessive blue-eyed pedigree like the one at Peqi'in.If there was no 'turnover,' how do you explain the Sub-Saharan African DNA in the modern Levant? Studies (like Harney et al., 2018) show that significant African gene flow entered the Levant after the Roman period, likely due to the trans-Saharan trade and the Islamic caliphates. This ancestry was absent in the 1st-century Davidic population. To claim the Levant looks the same today as it did in the Iron Age is to ignore the actual admixture charts in the studies you’re citing.It is proven that rs12913832 was at 49% in the Levant at Peqi'in. Today, that same allele is at less than 5-10% in the same region. If there was 'no genetic turnover' or 'no change,' why did the frequency of the blue-eye allele drop by 80-90%? The data proves the population changed. The phenotype shifted from the Peqi'in/Davidic 'fair' look to the modern 'swarthy' look because of the very expansions you’re trying to deny.
>>534362806too old now and is kind of a prick, also he was shit talking Mel on and off since the last one was made so I don't think they get along anymore
>>534362628start with https://www.cell.com/ajhg/fulltext/S0002-9297(20)30155-5?_returnURL=https%3A%2F%2Flinkinghub.elsevier.com%2Fretrieve%2Fpii%2FS0002929720301555%3Fshowall%3Dtrueplease point to where the authors say "major genetic turnover due to the islamic conquests"oh wait it's not there
>>534349742We wuz space-Jews!regards, Finns.(still, better casting than 99% done by you jews. Based Gibson)
>>534349742Is he jewish? The nose would suggest he is. He should be, for muh immersion
>>534361933>Using 'Selection' as a fudge factor to slow the clock is a theoretical placeholder, not an observation. If you were a true uniformitarian, you’d use the observed rate. Under the Pedigree Rate, the 'genetic distance' between the Levant’s blue-eyed Peqi’in population and the 1st-century Davidic line is minimal.No, using the raw pedigree rate as the universal "observed" clock for all time depths is not true uniformitarianism. Uniformitarianism means processes we observe today operated similarly in the past — but it also requires accounting for all processes we do observe, including selection, drift, and fixation dynamics.>Key DistinctionPedigree rate = observed new mutations appearing in family transmissions (many transient, heteroplasmic, or lost).Phylogenetic/substitution rate = what actually accumulates and becomes measurable in populations over generations (after selection, drift, and bottleneck effects filter them).Selection is not a theoretical fudge factor here — it is directly observable in modern population genetics (e.g., lactase persistence, malaria-resistance alleles, skin pigmentation variants). It acts on variation. Ignoring it when scaling short-term observations to long-term results is what introduces the inconsistency.You're correct that endogamous biblical-era lines could maintain visible traits like blue eyes with relative ease. The Peqi’in data supports the pre-existence of the variant in the region. The fast pedigree rate is useful for understanding recent family-level dynamics, but scaling it uniformly to dismiss slower long-term rates conflicts with the full body of ancient DNA, fossils, and archaeology.The evidence allows for blue eyes (and J1/J2 continuity) in ancient Israel/Judah without needing to compress the entire regional population genetic history into a few generations. That's the most defensible synthesis.
>>534362715Thanks for posting the Israel_MLBA data. You’ve just proven my point about the 'Sifting.'By 1400 BCE (the Era of the Judges), the general population frequency dropped to 7%. Why? Because the 'fair' phenotype was already migrating North and East (toward the Ararat/Scythian corridor) while the Levant was being flooded by Southern admixture.However, you are making a 'General Population' error. King David and the House of David weren't 'General Population'; they were an endogamous pedigree. In population genetics, a recessive trait at 7% in the general population is statistically guaranteed to be preserved and expressed in a royal line that practices cousin-marriage (endogamy), which the House of David did for 1,000 years.Furthermore, if we use the observed pedigree rate (the fast clock), the shift from 50% at Peqi’in to 7% in the Bronze Age happens in a historical window, not 'prehistory.' It shows a rapid displacement of the 'Original Levant' phenotype into the North (becoming the R1-sifted Scythians) while a small reservoir remained in the Judean elite.You’ve confirmed the gene was there. You’ve confirmed the frequency shift. Now you’re just gambling that a royal pedigree couldn't hold onto a trait that you've admitted was indigenous to their homeland. The 7% in the MLBA is the reservoir that produced the 'ruddy' (admoni) David. Stay mad at the math
>>534362469R1b* and they are probably descended from an Aryan founder population. Based on their horse culture and original mythology, it seems likely.
>>534349742not a bad castingbut doesnt jesus tell you to not make images of him lol
>>534349742OMG GUYS THERE ARE NO WHITE MIDDLE EASTERNERSOH WAIT THERE ARE LMAOANCIENT ISRAELITES WERE WHITE THATS WHY THEY HATE US LOLINSTEAD OF NOT CARING BAKA
>>534362838>We are saying their phenotype was overwrittenyou have provided no evidence of this>Africanbelow significant level in population like Lebanese>It is proven that rs12913832 was at 49% in the Levant at Peqi'in. Today, that same allele is at less than 5-10% in the same regionsimilar to the MLBA, see >>534362715
>>534349791WORLD WAR 3 WILL BE FOUGHT BY 2 RACOONS BOXINGSORRY WORLD WAR 3 IS CANCELED
>>534363007>Why? Because the 'fair' phenotype was already migrating North and East (toward the Ararat/Scythian corridor) while the Levant was being flooded by Southern admixture.completely made up, you have provided once again 0 evidence whatsoever and thus your concession and complete intellectual humiliation is accepted once again
>>534361933>Mel Gibson was right. The blue-eyed House of David isn't 'British Israelism'; it’s biological reality based on the only clock we can actually see ticking. Stay mad about the timeline."However, claiming this as widespread "biological reality" for the entire Davidic line or Jesus specifically goes beyond what genetics can confirm:No ancient DNA from confirmed Davidic or Jesus-era remains exists to test eye color.The fast pedigree clock helps explain short-term transmission but doesn't override the broader ancient DNA and archaeological record for when the allele first appeared and spread regionally.It's possible some members of the historical House of David had blue or lighter eyes, just as variation existed across the ancient Near East. But this doesn't equate to British Israelism-style mass migrations of the Ten Tribes becoming Northern Europeans, nor does it make blue eyes a defining "House of David" trait.Genetics supports diversity in ancient Israel, including potential lighter features in some families. The rest is historical interpretation and theology.
>>534350107Aren't you proud he's Finnish? I think that's a Finnish name right, cuz it's same as Raikkonen?Idc about racial accuracy but if he was indisn I'd be happy too
>>534360375>kvetchingThe study has not been refuted
>>534362868Look at the Admixture section of that study (and the supplementals), the authors admit that modern Levantines have significant ancestry from the Arabian Peninsula and East Africa that was not present in the Bronze Age or Iron Age samples.Agranat-Tamir (2020) shows continuity in the 'local' roots, but it also shows the arrival of Peninsula and African markers that weren't there in the time of the Peqi'in or the Bronze Age. You're confusing 'some people stayed' with 'nothing changed.' The blue-eye frequency dropped from 50% to 5%. That IS a turnover, no matter how much you want to hide behind a Cell paper link
>>534362823rabbi yeshua was an ethnic jew sorry this offends your juvenile videogames-induced crusader-larp
>>534363188Fucking hell you type like an insufferable fucking faggot. Please kill yourself, redditor.
>>534349742based chad Jesus
>>534363007>Why? Because the 'fair' phenotype was already migrating North and East (toward the Ararat/Scythian corridor) while the Levant was being flooded by Southern admixture.However, this doesn't neatly map to a "House of David" or Israelite-specific migration:The core Israelite/Judean population remained in the Levant, with genetic continuity showing primarily local Levantine roots (J1/J2 dominant) plus some admixture.Fair phenotypes in the ancient Near East were patchy — present in some groups due to earlier northern input, not a uniform "northern" replacement.The major R1a/R1b expansion into Northern Europe came primarily from Yamnaya-related steppe pastoralists ~3000–2000 BCE, long before the Assyrian exile. J1/J2 in Europe reflects later, smaller-scale movements (Neolithic farmers, Bronze Age, Classical period, etc.).In short: Yes, lighter pigmentation traits were on the move in the broader West Asian region during the relevant periods, sometimes heading north/east while the southern Levant experienced more local continuity + southern influences. This makes lighter features in some ancient Levantine individuals (including potentially Davidic lines) unsurprising.It doesn't, however, support the idea of the Ten Tribes becoming the main ancestors of Northern Europeans. The genetics show more complex, multi-directional gene flow.
>>534363187>significantnope, apparently you cannot even read " below statistical significance(Z score = - 2.4) )", but I'm not almost sure you are an LLM, good attempt though
>>534363186You haven't posted this supposed study either. You can't stop lying now
>>534363275I enjoy shit colored christian animal tears immensely, keep them up Sambo
>>534363343Whiter than you, nigger.
>>534361191He was punished by being told he can leave combat role and given a penalty foot massage.>it is not representative of the views of the IDF as a whole.Pilpul - it is representative of the views of kikes as a whole.
>>534349742>Thoughts?I think hololaugh was not real, but Christ was a whitish man whom dark skinned degenerate jews hated.
>>534363343im telling the pope
>>534363384>tp>tfhilarious thanks for the laugh
>>534362075that you're an easterner noticeably means you have more Scythian admixtureand having more Scythian admixture means you have more of the Hebrew lost tribes admixture, loljustsaiyan.tiff
>>534361191He'll be doxxed.
>>534362435You should make the "Bulgokike summon award"
>>534349742I'm not for depicting the face of jesus but is he 5'1" to 5'5" tall per christian sources
>>534363426>census from 2021Are you fucking retarded?
this is still the only movie I've looked forward to seeing in yearsnothing remotely like it has ever been done
>>534358361>covered in blood samples showing signs of someone who suffered extreme torture and blood loss>feet covered in Jerusalem limestone>embedded pollen from area of Levant>linen samples matching ones found at Siege of Masada ~60 AD>2 micrometer thick 3 dimensional imprint on topmost surface layers of linen, that when topographized literally just look like a photograph, far beyond the capabilities of any Renaissance, much less Antiquity, artist to recreate>entire history of Shroud lines up with history of Image of Edessa from the classical east, right down to obscure, tiny details such as specific patterns of burn holes appearing in other Orthodox renditions in the 11th, 9th, earlier centuries. refuting the initial dating to medieval times>early fragments of apocryphal writings quoted by Church Fathers as far back as 200 AD reference Jesus's burial shroud actually being given and moved around by the Church before being hidden and kept safe, establishing historical awareness/precedent of the artifact>the earliest Orthodox icons of Jesus line up exactly with the facial features of the Shroud; the Orthodox icon still used today of Jesus's face lines up exactly with when the original image of Edessa was taken out of its hiding spot and made public again in 554 >wound up being publicly known in France a century and a half after a Crusader reported seeing the shroud of Jesus in Constantinople before it disappeared in the sacking of 1204>only recreated a few years ago, in a laser lab where an incredibly intense, short burst of laser/radiation copied the already known information from the shroud to copy it>God literally took a photograph in 1st century AD so His Church would have His face for the icons
>>534361538Nah, there was even some turbo jew that had to consneed its real. All of the top (((experts))) spent like 30 years trying to find any angle they could deboonk couldnt.
>>534363501true, strange he hasn't found this thread to spam, he must be busy dilating
>>534362965>You're correct that endogamous biblical-era lines could maintain visible traits like blue eyes with relative ease. The Peqi’in data supports the pre-existence of the variant in the region. The fast pedigree rate is useful for understanding recent family-level dynamics, but scaling it uniformly to dismiss slower long-term rates conflicts with the full body of ancient DNA, fossils, and archaeology.Thank you for admitting it. And again - we are disagreeing on two fundamental assumptions. Uniformitarianism is the idea that the key to understanding the past is what is happening in the present. Again, what you are adding to it is a way to save the "deep time" narrative. You are going to turn around and tell me that the uniformitarian principle works great for the science of geology, but not genetics? We can observe the data - mutation rates between modern generations and they all tell the same story. And it is not just with humans. the rate is the same across species with not enough variation to matter. The fossil dates are inferred. We have data from across species that show the pedigree mutation rate is faster - so if all living things have the same mutation rate - then the fossils can't be as old as you want them to be. The Fruit Fly (Drosophila) Discrepancy Haag-Liautard et al. (2007). The measured mutation rate in a lab setting (pedigree) and it was 10 times faster than the rate previously estimated by comparing different fly species over "millions of years."The Roundworm (Caenorhabditis elegans) Denver et al. (2004). The observed mutation rate was orders of magnitude higher (up to 100x to 1,000x faster in some regions) than the rate used in evolutionary models for nematodes.
>>534361035you're quoting the talmud btw- Shabbat 104b & Sanhedrin 67a
>>534349742I think they would have been better off having Jim Caviezel + de-aging tech, but we'll see how this turns out
>>534363704ahahahha welp that was quick
>>534354189Ah yes, the clichè American homolust bodybuilder "chad" Jesus version like in those vintage movie colossals. Needs blue eyes for extra appeal too.
>>534349742Lentulus, the Governor of the Jerusalemites to the Roman Senate and People, greetings. There has appeared in our times, and there still lives, a man of great power, called Jesus Christ. The people call him prophet of truth; his disciples, son of God. He raises the dead, and heals infirmities. He is a man of medium size; he has a venerable aspect, and his beholders can both fear and love him. His hair is of the colour of the ripe hazel-nut, straight down to the ears, but below the ears wavy and curled, with a bluish and bright reflection, flowing over his shoulders. It is parted in two on the top of the head, after the pattern of the Nazarenes. His brow is smooth and very cheerful with a face without wrinkle or spot, embellished by a slightly reddish complexion. His nose and mouth are faultless. His beard is abundant, of the colour of his hair, not long, but divided at the chin. His aspect is simple and mature, his eyes are changeable and bright. He is terrible in his reprimands, sweet and amiable in his admonitions, cheerful without loss of gravity. He was never known to laugh, but often to weep. His stature is straight, his hands and arms beautiful to behold. His conversation is grave, infrequent, and modest. He is the most beautiful among the children of men.- Letter of Publius Lentullus to Rome
>>534349742A young man, it was said, appeared in Galiee preaching with a noble unction a new law in the name of God who had sent him. At first I was apprehensive that his design was to stir up the people against the Romans, but my fears were soon dispelled. Jesus of Nazareth spoke rather as a friend of the Romans than of the Jews. One day in passing by the place of Siloe, where there was a great concourse of people, I observed in the midst of the group a young man who was leaning against a tree, calmly addressing the multitude. I was told it was Jesus. This I could easily have suspected, so great was the difference between him and those listening to him. His golden-colored hair and beard gave him the appearance of a celestial aspect. He appeared to be about thirty years old. Never have I seen a sweeter or more serene countenance. What a Contrast between him and his hearers, with their black beards and tawny completion! - Letter of Pontius Pilate to Tiberius Caeser
>>534354202>2000 years and still seething
>>534358041Lies! Jesus was Polish and his mother was from Częstochowa
>>534363109Claiming '0 evidence' after I forced you to admit the rs12913832 allele was at 50% frequency in Peqi’in is pure cope.The evidence for the Northward migration is the Kura-Araxes expansion and the Lazaridis (2022) Science study, which confirms the 'Southern Arc' (Ararat region) as the genetic source for both the Levant and the Steppe. The 'evidence' for the Southern flooding is Haber (2017), which you cited, confirming Peninsula admixture that overwrote the Peqi'in phenotype.You’ve conceded the Peqi'in hardware, you’ve conceded that Davidic endogamy could preserve the trait, and you’ve failed to explain why you ignore the observed pedigree rate found in humans, flies, and penguins alike. You aren't 'accepting a concession'; you’re running away from a 20-fold rate discrepancy that destroys your timeline.I’ll leave you to your unobservable 6-million-year-old chimp-split. I’m sticking with t the observed biological clock.
>>534358361why not hire some satanic swedish jew ?
>>534364021>I forced you to admit the rs12913832 allele was at 50% frequency in Peqi’innever doubted it at any point, you still haven't shown one tiny slight piece of evidence of northern migrations and you got brutally humiliated with the MLBA data>The evidence for the Northward migration is the Kura-Araxes expansionthat was north to south, holy fuck, this poor chimpanzee is hopelessyou keep yapping about mutation rates because the level of intellectual humiliation you have suffered ITT is almost unbearable
since the star striped deracinated chimp mentioned it, I found a quite nice PCA indeed in the supplements of Haber 2019, specifically centered around the near east
>>534349742There is no evidence Jesus ever left Scotland so it would be completely pointless him being portrayed as Middle Eastern swarthoid and an affront to God.
>>534363314"The 'AI' accusation - the last refuge of a spaghetti nigger losing a math argument.A Z-score of -2.4 is statistically significant (p < 0.05). In population genetics, anything with an absolute value over 2 or 3 proves the model 'fails'—meaning the modern Levant is NOT a perfect continuation of the Bronze Age and requires a migratory source (like the Peninsula) to explain the difference. You literally just posted proof of a genetic shift and tried to claim it meant 'continuity.'If there was no shift, the Z-score would be near zero. The -2.4 proves Haber (2017) was right: the Peninsula admixture is real, it’s significant, and it’s what overwrote the rs12913832 frequency you admitted was at 50% in Peqi'in.
notice the style of the lurid chistian animal, he knows he has been cmpletely and utterly humiliated, so because he cannot demonstrate an assyrian period purported migration to northern Europe he desperately tries to sway away into chalcolithic northern caucasusthey are ALL like this, far worse than jews
>>534363704He's been drinking too much of the stiffwater
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>>534350741>Sounds like bullshit but I believe it.What do you think the Talmudic golem legend is about if not Jews inventing niggers in the middle ages as a weapon? Patrilineally a Jew crossed with a great ape. Backcrossed to stabilise the line. Why did you think there are no mentions of blacks *ever* before about 1530? Not one mention in antiquity even though you can't miss them.
>>534349742This is fuckin antisemetic!
>>534363723>Thank you for admitting it.Never denied it Either way, we are discussing the eye and skin color of fictitious characters
>>534351623Because he is 50 or 60 now.
>>534364306in population genetics you want to see at least 3, but since you insist on being completely and utterly humiliated ITT, here is the picture of the proposed modelsWOWZEE look at that, 2-3% with standard error of 1!!! TOTAL POPULATION REPLACEMENT GUISE
>>534364182The 'North-to-South' Kura-Araxes expansion is exactly what brought the Highland/Ararat genotype into the Levant to begin with—creating the 50% blue-eyed population I’ve been talking about. You just confirmed the Ararat-to-Levant source. Thanks.Now, for the 'Northward' migration: The Scythians (R1) carry Near Eastern 'Southern Arc' ancestry. How did it get there? Lazaridis (2022) proves a massive genetic flow UP from the Highlands/Levant into the Steppe. That’s the 'Sifting.' The 'fair' phenotype didn't just vanish in the MLBA (7%); it migrated.You think 7% in the MLBA is a 'humiliation'? In an endogamous Davidic pedigree, 7% is a massive reservoir. It only takes two carriers to produce the 'ruddy' (admoni) phenotype. You’re arguing that a royal line couldn't hold onto an indigenous trait that was at 50% frequency just a few centuries prior. ANd we know that ancient Israelites were commanded to not intermarry and it wasn't until later according to the text that they did - and the ones that did were carried north. You’ve admitted:The gene was at 50% in Peqi'in.The Z-score of -2.4 is 'significant' (admitting turnover).The Kura-Araxes link.You’re fighting over the 'direction' of a bridge while I’m showing you the people crossing it. Your 'Slow Clock' is the only thing keeping you from seeing the LXX/Scythian reality. Cope harder.
>>534349742Why couldn’t they just AI Jamie?
>>534364341Bulgoturk perfected the motte and bailey fallacy - every criticism of saulstianity is met with a retort, unfortunately those are often contradictory. If you criticize evangelicals, he answers with "we don't do that in orthodoxy". If you criticize ortodogs, he goes to "we don't do that in catholicism". If you criticize catholicism, he answers "vatican 2 is heretical". If you criticize the current pope, he calls you heretic for disagreeing with him. He truly was trained in a zigger psyops division
>>534364631>The 'North-to-South' Kura-Araxes expansion is exactly what brought the Highland/Ararat genotype into the Levant to begin with—creating the 50% blue-eyed population I’ve been talking about. You just confirmed the Ararat-to-Levant source. Thanks.holy fuck this confirms it's an AI, it's literally saying a population from 4000BC-2000BC southern caucasus that never expanded into israel is responsible for the phenotype of a population from 4500-3500 BCE cavemendon't bother replying because this is the last straw and confirmation you are poorly using an AIbut I hope it shows to everyone else that christians are the utmost filth posting on this site, far worse than jews could ever hope to be
>>534364631>The 'North-to-South' Kura-Araxes expansion is exactly what brought the Highland/Ararat genotype into the Levant to begin with—creating the 50% blue-eyed population I’ve been talking about. You just confirmed the Ararat-to-Levant source. Thanks.This doesn't require invoking the lost tribes for European connections — it's earlier Bronze Age mobility. But it does make lighter features in some ancient Levantine/Israelite individuals unsurprising.
>>534349742gas urself, "Mel"ech
>>534349742Why not get the first actor back? He still look basically the exact same as he did then.
>>534349742>Thoughts?It's very positive to see a natural person in Hollywood/USA without artificially plastic-swollen pout-mouth - what's your own thoughts, OP?
>>534364631>The Scythians (R1) carry Near Eastern 'Southern Arc' ancestry. How did it get there? Lazaridis (2022) proves a massive genetic flow UP from the Highlands/Levant into the Steppe. That’s the 'Sifting.' The 'fair' phenotype didn't just vanish in the MLBA (7%); it migrated.Kura-Araxes and related Highland expansions pushed ancestry (and fairer alleles) both south into the Levant and contributed to the broader Southern Arc profile that later flowed north into the steppe.This creates a complex criss-cross pattern: North-to-South into Levant (bringing blue eyes to Peqi’in), and South-to-North components into the steppe.Scythians (often R1a) therefore have that Southern Arc signal — not from a mass Israelite deportation, but from earlier and ongoing Bronze/Iron Age interactions across the Caucasus and Pontic-Caspian region.This is consistent with mobility and admixture, not a simple replacement or lost tribes migration. The "fair" phenotype was part of the West Eurasian variation that spread in multiple directions.The data support northern highland/Levantine genetic influence on the steppe, but the scale and timing don't align with the Assyrian exile of the Ten Tribes becoming the primary source of Northern European ancestry. It's earlier and more diffuse.
>>534362120Beautiful in a totally alien way
>>534364627Nice table faggot, but you’re arguing against a straw man. No one said the Levant was replaced by Kenyans. We said the phenotype was overwritten by Arabian/Peninsula admixture and the SSA gene flow that wasn't there in the Bronze Age. Haber (2017)—the study that table likely comes from—explicitly shows that modern Levantines have double the Arabian ancestry of the ancients. Even a 3% SSA shift plus a massive Arabian shift is enough to 'drown out' a recessive blue-eyed pedigree like the one at Peqi'inYou can post all the 2% admixture tables you want, but you already admitted you agree that rs12913832 (blue-eye SNP) was at 50% in Peqi’in and dropped to 7% in the MLBA. That is an 86% collapse in the frequency of the 'fair' phenotype markers. If there was 'no turnover' and 'nothing changed,' where did the 50% frequency go? You’re showing me a table about 2% Kenyan DNA to hide the fact that 86% of the blue-eyed alleles vanished from the regional average.You already posted a Z-score of -2.4, which is statistically significant proof of a model failure. You’re now trying to use a table of 'mixture proportions' to override a 'significance test.' A 2-3% admixture with a 1% standard error is statistically significant gene flow that was previously absent. In population genetics, a small amount of 'migrant' DNA can have a massive impact on recessive trait expression, especially when combined with the Arabian shift you’re ignoring.A 3% shift in SSA + a significant Arabian shift + a massive drop in HERC2 frequency = a totally different looking population.If the change was so insignificant, why does the blue-eye frequency drop from 50% to 5%? Did the alleles just decide to commit suicide, or was there a turnover?
look at it go, now it's mixing up CA -> MLBA with the hellenistic to middle ages period
>>534364627Saulstians are capable of literally eating an ox cart worth of shit, deny they are eating shit, claim the pagans are spreading misinformation how christians eat shit, say they eat a little bit of shit - a teaspoon, educate everyone how putting a spoon of shit in your soup is beneficial for your grace and holiness, show three verses in a Bible of independent translations how a scoop of shit 3 times a day keeps the satan away, find historical evidences from 1500 how shit is full of vitamins so the more you eat of it the better for your soul, and by the time everyone else is gagging and puking in their mouth looking how ortodogs chew on fat shit logs, the ox cart of shit will be picked clean of its content.And at the end they will just say there was no shit in the cart, literally 0 evidence of that claim, can't you see it's sparkling clean?
>>534364631>You think 7% in the MLBA is a 'humiliation'? In an endogamous Davidic pedigree, 7% is a massive reservoir. It only takes two carriers to produce the 'ruddy' (admoni) phenotype. You’re arguing that a royal line couldn't hold onto an indigenous trait that was at 50% frequency just a few centuries prior. ANd we know that ancient Israelites were commanded to not intermarry and it wasn't until later according to the text that they did - and the ones that did were carried north.My position isn't that a royal line "couldn't" hold the trait — that's entirely possible and biologically straightforward under endogamy. The pushback has been against broader claims (mass lost tribes Northern Europe with R1 dominance, or extreme timeline compression via pedigree rates for the mutation's origin itself).A fair or blue-eyed Davidic line in antiquity is compatible with the genetic data we've discussed. The Peqi’in and Kura-Araxes evidence shows the raw material was in the region. Endogamy does the rest for a specific family.That's as far as the genetics reliably takes us. The rest — whether it applied to David, Jesus, or the "House of David" as a whole — is historical and interpretive.
>>534364832>But it does make lighter features in some ancient Levantine/Israelite individuals unsurprising.Thanks for admitting it
>>534365141Please point out where I denied it?
>>534365136I started off using the word "possible" in my first post. I stand by it.
>>534350234Based whites fighting golem whites, as is tradition.
>>534349742Jesus was a Finn. This is facts
>>534365099the only reason I keep engaging with them is that thankfully all they get with this insane behavior is an increase in antichristians, they genuinely don't get it, just like their jewish masters, they think doubling down in insane gaslighting eventually will pay off, talk about sunk cost
>>534354244Finnish? He's just getting started.
>>534364994>was there a turnover?probably the same that happened in central america and new zealand, in fact every single time and place. we build, and then must flee from the mindless hordes of stampeding mud"people"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rf_inGOubEg
>>534365229And where did I disagree?
>>534364807Calling me an 'AI' for pointing out that a Z-score of -2.4 is statistically significant proof of turnover is the ultimate cope. You admitted the blue-eyed gene was at 50% in the Levant. Now you're pissed because you don't understand that a -2.4 Z-score means your 'continuity' model failed.The Khirbet Kerak expansion is the Kura-Araxes in Israel. It’s the Highland/Ararat hardware arriving in the Levant. The Pedigree Rate is the biological software running the clock.And, like the other anon, you are basing things on a phylogenetic timeline and mutation rate -- I am not. I am using pedigree mutation rates.
>>534356401Is there not an anime of this? If not, there will be eventually.
>>534354185So you admit the further we get away from Jesus's time, the more aryanized his depiction? It's almost like everyone subconsciously agrees on a deep ancient truth...No nevermind, let's keep worshipping browns and kikes.
>>534365445>the blue-eyed gene was at 50% in the LevantThis was not the case in earlier pure Levantine Neolithic groups (where the allele was rare or absent).
it keeps happening, now the AI is mixing up the Z score for a qpAdm model of medieval lebanon as mixture of hellenistic lebanon and various east African sources with the frequency of an allele in a caveman population from 4000BC Israelmy fucking sides
the discord groups spamming /pol/ with chimpstianity are THIS desperate, pay attention to the lows they are reaching in order to crack consensus
Finnish Jesus.Neat
>>534365445>And, like the other anon, you are basing things on a phylogenetic timeline and mutation rate -- I am not. I am using pedigree mutation rates.That's a coherent internal position if one prioritizes raw pedigree observations as the primary clock. It compresses the timeline significantly compared to the standard scientific consensus, which relies on the slower rates that better match the cumulative evidence from ancient DNA and other fields.The difference ultimately comes down to which rate (and which assumptions) one chooses as the baseline.
>>534365435I'm. not sure you were the one that did. I think there is something to the Scythian admixture with the ten tribes removed by the Assyrians. I am just using an LXX chronology and pedigree mutation rates instead of phylogenetic mutation rates to make the case. I am in no way saying that Europeans are ancient Israelites - only that the ancient Irraelite DNA is there in Europe from that time.
>>534349742That’s within the acceptable range of what he looked like. His features were softer, but that’s not bad. We love you, brother Mel.
>>534349742Suomi perkele!
>>534349791I’m going to put the cross of St George (dragon slayer) on my car after these recent events.
>>534365682>The difference ultimately comes down to which rate (and which assumptions) one chooses as the baseline.Indeed. I prefer to use observable data. Pedigree mutation rates are just that. And the thing is, pedigree rates are consistent across all biological species - if the rates were isolated it would be different, but they aren't.
>>534365554I don't think it has to be. I am not claiming that the blue eyed trait originated in ancient Israel, just that it was present. That's all.
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>spaghetti nigger having a threadwide meltdownKek
>>534357327Or a giant.
>>534366120as long as christosimians are hated more on /pol/ I'm doing god's work, plus it's fun
