Are blue button pushers just gambling addicts looking for an adrenaline rush? How does putting a gun to your own head and demanding others do the same selfless?
blue pushers are russians, red pushers are Ukrainians
>>534367403So Ukraine is based?
>>534367403>Nothing happens. (oops the cemeteries just tripled)
>>534367300
watch all Blues dieor become a Blue>what does Blue stand forthey exist only to save themselves>oh okay>hmmmmmmmmmmmm
>>534367300Top loosh farming on my board or ill send you back through the eye
>>534367772cult wants you to join their cult to save their cult members. I think I have seen this somewhere b4
>>534367300dunno about original, but in essence it's opportunists/egoists vs altruists/selfsacrificerslike apples looking at oranges both sides think other is retardedinstead shitting on other fruit you should ask who made this pool and profitted from chaos it made
>>534368619The point of Trolley problems is not to out-meta it. The more interesting meta we get out of these discussions.
>>534368619It's normal human-brained people versus suicidal liberal death-cultists.
>>534367300Blue button pushers are mask wearing vaxxies.
>>534367300> Nobody dies button> People die buttonIt's as simple as that. The moral choice is obvious. There are no tricks. If you press red you are evil period.
>>534367300Blue button pushes are lefties, that keep voting for something that is ruining everyones lives.
>>534369021the people die button is the blue one btwnobody has to press itTotal Red Victory
>>534368619>opportunists/egoists vs altruists/selfsacrificersI disagree.I believe we are all masters of our fate and to "self-sacrifice" to help others who made bad choices doesn't help anybody in the end.First, you lose yourself.Secondly, the people you "help" don't learn from their mistakes.There isn't a better way to help a fellow man than to teach him how to help himself. Also, you can't help someone who won't help themselves.Sure, the consequences of this thought experiment is death and you can't learn from that mistake, but it is a general philosophy I follow every day.To teach men to press red is the most altruistic action here.Salvation is from within.
>>534367300>I have to jump off this bridge>because others might jump off this bridge>if more than 50% of humans jump off this bridge>a big bouncy cushion will inflate and everyone who jumped off the bridge will be saved>if you don’t jump off this bridge, that means you’re a terrible personBlueggers, basically.
>>534369021Since blue bring death into the scenario that would mean blue is the death button and red is the no death button
>>534369163>we'll never reach hoard inmunity if we ALL don't get vaccinated.>get the shot anon! You are kiilimg me!
>>534367300My family and friends may have pressed the blue button and I would like for them to live so I will press the blue button. Everything isn't about me.
>>534369163For 1 this isn't even a fair comparison since it doesn't say if 51% vote no, no one dies. Now of everyone voted yes, guess what! No one dies retard
Every red interpretation of this dilemma shows they are in fact the low IQ ones because they cannot possibly interpret red as the one that deliberately votes to kill everyone else except yourself. Much like women, they cannot take accountability for their deliberate actions and choices so they assign that accountability to everyone else. They also, for whatever reason, remove the positive of blue being that you are saving all of humanity. This is undeniable, part of the original prompt. Obviously people with a high enough IQ will interpret that no matter how small their individual vote is, they are responsible for the winning outcome the same way that every state that goes red or blue is collectively responsible for the outcome of the election no matter if they were necessary for the majority or not.Blue button pressers do not have to be dishonest about the hypothetical, but red button pressers do.There are many tactics they use to assuage their guilt>blue button pressers need to die for a better society!>uhh my button doesnt actually do anything sweetie!>blue is just a suicide cult button, yep, no positive qualities at all, just a suicide button with no other functionality>all of africa, 100% of them will press red for no reason. this doesnt make me a nigger for pressing red though somehow>wanting the golden route where everyone survives is actually immoral and blue pressers should be ashamed of themselves. What do you mean they keep winning every online poll?>half of humanity dying just isnt my problem. We dont need doctors lawyers engineers and pilots.
>>534369416Amd you will die along with your room temperature IQ family. To yell me I need to risk my life to save your low IQ family is ridiculous
>>534369416aaaand you're dead
>>534369487>They also, for whatever reason, remove the positive of blue being that you are saving all of humanity.I dont care to save the low IQ retards that pushed blue. Perhaps you want to live in a world full of low IQ niggers but most of us don't. You have to be low IQ to vote blue
Every nigger that I saw on IG presses the red button. So anyone who's thinking that they're killing off low iq retards and third worlders, you're basically as dumb as them.
>>534369487>We would save all of humanityWhy would you want to save people who doomed themselves knowing full well what they were doing?
>>534369748>I'll kill myself so I'm not associated with niggers.Good for you.
>>534369440if 51% vote no then obviously the referendum doesn't pass. It's a perfectly fair comparison.
>>534369811>I'll vote with niggers to kill off people who care for the betterment of humanity enjoy living in a world with no whites chinknigger
>>534369336Exactly. The bluegger problem is a hell of their own making. Redchads will inherit the earth.
>>534369954White libshits are bluegger Jew golems. Their suicidal empathy is the backbone of the permissive political environment that allows governments to continue degrading the west through the importation of 3rd world shitskins.
>>534370235>I'll gladly live in a world full of niggers so I'm not associated with whitesGood for you.
If you know anything about cryptocurrency, you’d push the red button. Cryptocurrency exists because you cannot trust people. Pushing the blue button requires trusting others with your life. The only trustless button is the red one. I push the red button.Blue button pushers are the same as those who hold no cryptocurrency or precious metals or land, people who “own nothing and are happy”, people who are asking to be debanked for doing, saying, or thinking the wrong thing or for no reason at all, leaving the power over their potential property, resources, health, life, and more to “authority” and/or complete strangers, even those that are extremely hostile. To push blue is to become one with the herd of niggercattle. To push red is to be content with just your space alien.
>>534369521You have to press it to save your own family, not just mine, because every member of your family is not pressing the red button and you will be responsible for any of their deaths by voting for them to die.
>>534370581>save your ownwe discussed it ahead of time and are all pushing redI have trained my baby to push only red buttonsmy grown children already had the instinctwagmi
>>534369263Nicely put.
In the event that digital ID has already happened and everyone knows everyone, when they enact noahide laws for the goyim aka (you). Do you pick red ensuring your own safety as a slave or do you pick blue, and risk your life by being labelled as antisemitic and try to force revolution? If over 50% pick blue then jewry in america is overthrown and all goyim become free, if below 50% pick blue then red survives with the guarantee that their lives are no longer their own and the blue antisemitic rebellion is crushed.
>>534369021Blue buttons and guns should not be within your reach
>>534369336I was a blue button pusher until you posted this. Unironically thank you for showing the errors of my ways.
>>534369487The MrBeast one already had razor thin margins, a 7 point swing would make the blue button suicidal
>>534369416>My family and friends may have pressed the blue button and I would like for them to live so I will press the blue button. Everything isn't about me.The correct response is to ban retards from getting access to blue buttons.
>>534373234>>534373163What is it about blue winning that makes reds so angry?
This isn't like the typical prisoner's dilemma because in this case both prisoners can just chose to go free with no downside.
>>534369487>Every red interpretation of this dilemma shows they are in fact the low IQ ones because they cannot possibly interpret red as the one that deliberately votes to kill everyone else except yourself.But what if there was no red button at all and the choice was press blue or do nothing?The result is the same. The Red Button is irreverent since it does nothing.Blue Pushers are entering the Death Gamble by trying to save a drowning man.The drowning man will drag you down too.
>>534367751>>534372483I forgot to reply, lol
>>534373520It doesn't make me angry, but it makes me realize the danger of pressing blue when the vote is so split
>>534367751We could just start killing them now.
>>534367300You retards really are desperate over this butthurt arn't you.
>>534367300>>534367751>>534373520THE AVERAGE BLUEFAG IS LITERALLY SUICIDAL
>>534373565The red cannot possibly understand the culpability behind their deliberate choice. It's like they block it out of their heads. They MUST see their vote as "doing nothing" rather than the real function which is killing everyone that votes blue to save themselves in case red wins.I'll ask you this. If the vote was split at an even 4b to 4b and you were the final tie breaker button press, what would you press? Blue or red? Red is the do nothing button and blue is the suicide button to you right? Which one are you pressing?
>>534373520Wdym? Everyone lives then. Just Like If everyone pressed Red. You are retarded And Dangerous, but thankfully you cant hurt yourself in that Situation.
>low IQI push the red button to survive>high IQI push the red button so blue button pressers die
>>534373520Nothing at all. I could literally be the ONLY red presser in the world, and I still win. Or, I could be part of the 99.9999% of the world that presses red and Id still win. I could also be part of the 51% of the world that presses red, and still win. There is literally no scenario where I could lose, nor be angry at those people that press blue. I just think they're retarded is all. I don't get angry at retarded people. That would be stupid. They can't help that they're retarded.
>>534373840>If the vote was split at an even 4b to 4b and you were the final tie breaker button press, what would you press? Blue or red? Red is the do nothing button and blue is the suicide button to you right? Which one are you pressing?The only legal choice in the UK is to phone the police and let them deal with it.
>>534373840>I'll ask you this. If the vote was split at an even 4b to 4b and you were the final tie breaker button press, what would you press? Blue or red? Red is the do nothing button and blue is the suicide button to you right? Which one are you pressing?Pressing blue is rational in this case because I know the exact outcome. The original question does not give us that ability. The poll has been asked three times on twitter, first 65-35, second 58-42, third 56-44, each with a larger audience. Extrapolate it to the entire planet and the odds are very high that red wins, therefore, the only rational decision is to pick red.
>>534367300>humans cannot cooperate on this simple task to save 50% of their babies who will push a button at randomEnjoy living in hell. And then going to some of hell if pretty much any religion is correct.
>>534375050bluefags need to make wall of text cope images like this to justify their retardation
>>534374871>Pressing blue is rational in this case because I know the exact outcome.Do you? Maybe they lied about the blue button like they lied about the vaccine and global warming. Maybe it's just a blue button cult and they all want to die and get taken away by aliens, Heaven's Gate style. Maybe the button glitched out and did not count every push. Maybe someone pulled the power plug or didn't bother to read the manual. Maybe foreign adversaries painted the red button blue to cause internal strife. Maybe the blue button pushers are not worth saving. Maybe you want higher wages so killing off the 49% blue button pushers would financially benefit you via labour shortages. Maybe a red button pusher has a gun to your head and is DEMANDING you push blue.
>>534374871If you think more than one step ahead you would realize that picking read is suicide. Who will be left after red "wins"? The least empathetic and most psychopathic people who all know that they collectively agreed to kill a bunch of people, including half of all babies, to save themselves. Trust would break down on a global scale. You would have no common ground with anyone except that you know they would stab you in the black if it was convenient. You can't even trust that other people care about their children. You would be nuking each other within a week.
>>534367300I would hit the blue button and put a box over it if too many people started pressing it, just to get 45% of you fuckers. Fuck you and your whore mother.
>>534370922>we discussed it ahead of timeNo you didn't, that's not how the dilemma works. There is no premeditation and planning with others.The whole point is that you are put in the spot and you have to spontaneously decide which button to press.
>>534375050>Enjoy livingThank you.Enjoy death.
>>534367300How about one button that kills everyoneLet's stop pussing around here
>>534375195>i am too stupid to comprehend a simple chartVery very low IQ. SAD!
It's more like this, OP.
>>534375451I change my answer to hitting both repeatedly hoping to cause a death for all humanity even more painful than the one that was on offer
>press blue button>convince everyone I know to not press it
>>534375396See >>534375285
>>534375451Does everyone in the world deserve to live? Rapists? Murderers? Criminals? Sub 80IQ "humans"?What if the blue button was a suicide pod?If too many people tried to use it, it would break and fail to activate?Would you jump in?
>>534375751The question isn't "Would you press this button and kill all rapists/murderers/people with below 80 IQ?"If it was, that'd be an arguably more interesting thought experiment than the current one.
>>534375664Blues already chose to nuke each other.Red pushers chose to do nothing, and will continue to do nothing to each other and will live in peace forever without the annoying moralising suicidal blues.
>>534369336So are thirdies blues or reds? I thought we were voting red because of those selfish thirdies?
>>534375751>suicide podFuturama was 974 years too late.
>50%What if it was more than 50%? What if the scenario presented was that it requires 70% of the people to press Blue or blufags die? Do you still press Blue? What if it was 90%? Will you switch to Red or will you still press Blue?
>>534375751spoiler: there's no gas in the suicide pods, after they leave you alone a small brown man pops out of a compartment in the bottom and just strangles you to death
>>534375887You are not doing nothing. That is a cope. You are choosing to avoid risk by increasing the risk for 50% of babies instead. You are a psychopath.
>>534368704What's there to fucking talk about, you're literally retarded if you push the blue button
>>534375751well how else are you going to employ half a million thuggees
>>534368619>opportunists/egoistsRefusing to risk your life over nothing isn't egoist>altruists/selfsacrificersTaking a lethal bet over nothing isn't altruist
>>534374871>blue has won three times already>this means blue has no chance actuallyUh huh
>>534376008What do i care what you think? You pressed the blue button out of some false sense of altruism. You expect the browns to push the blue button? Lol good luck with that
>>534376194>i am so irrationally afraid all the time that i can't even imagine other people caring about their childrenYou're going to need more than luck to be happy.
>>534375285Refer to this>>534373785
>>534369487I am not responsible for the actions of others. If they decide to press the "risk their life" button instead of the "don't risk their life" button, it's neither my fault nor my problem if they die; they had a choice, just like me.
>>534376008>You are not doing nothing.The red button does nothing. Only blue button presses count.>That is a cope.Nope.>You are choosing to avoid riskYes>by increasing the risk for 50% of babies instead.Babies cannot consciously chose to press some random blue button. Obviously their monstrous blue button-pushing parents pressed the baby's hand against the blue button instead.We should obviously take the children away from any blue button-pushers. These monsters cannot be trusted with children or instant-death buttons.>You are a psychopath.You are a woman with uncontrolled empathy.
>>534376334>>534373785It's possible to cooperate and have everyone live. Failure is a risk. That is not suicide.
>>534373399THE INDOMITABLE HUMAN SPIRIT
>>534367300But like heccin mathematically and scientifically (praise be upon it) human beans are like super good at heart so like it would always result in everyone livibg. Everyone lives! Like literally you can lrove this would be true. Like people are good, i love my fellow stardust walking skeleton friends its just red button red hat assholes maga fucks are assholes and want to prove they are assholes, the red is the asshole button just for assholes to be assholes.
>>534376309So what's the rules again? Do you die if you push the red? Is there any risk if I push the red? No? Then why would I push the blue when there is a risk, why would anyone? What benefit is there to push the blue? To try and save others who pushed the blue? Why did they push the blue, the red has no risk? You aren't gonna make me feel sorry for someone who took a risk, when no risk had to be taken
>>534376645There is no risk in pushing red. There is risk in pushing blue.
>>534368619No, it's suicidal retards vs "no, thanks" people.
>>534376185Extrapolate
>>534376645You literally said that a world where red wins is a world not worth living
>>534369487If 49% of the planet died, it woud become a much better place, i'd be actually looking forward to live in such a wonderful world
>>534376185Even if the possibility of blue winning is 99%, red always wins because red carries no risk at all.
>>534376636>babies cannot consciously chose to press some random blue buttonEveryone is sent to a room by themselves where they can press a button, or maybe starve to death, it isn't actually clear in this incredibly evil scenario. But left alone with two buttons and nothing else to do, a baby will eventually press one of them.People are not allowed to help each other or discuss anything before being presented with the buttons in the scenario.There are actually a bunch of vulnerable people who could press blue, such as the blind. Babies are just the most poignant example of this group. There is no point in bringing them up since you don't even care about babies.
>>534375451
>>534376864Anons have raised the point that most blueniggers are White, so that is unfortunate.
>>534375451This button ignores the risk inherent in blue. It's a fundamentally different dilemma.
I am starting to suspect this dilemma is astroturfing the Elites' culling of the human population.
>>534376845I'm sure you can directly quote me saying literally that then.
>>534376185>blue winning on meaningless online polls where people can freely virtue signalWill they all press the Blue button if they were actually presented with the scenario and the gun to their head?
>>534376915whites are the biggest enablers of jewry, jews entirely rely on the pink skinned mule the entire white race became after 1945, niggers are nothing but weak retarded rats without their white enablers also
>>534376870>this button COULD save some babies maybe, or it has a definite very high risk of killing you, higher than jumping from a four story building>this other button won't save the babies, but it has absolutely no risk of killing you at all.
>>534377062>>534375285>If you think more than one step ahead you would realize that picking read is suicide. Who will be left after red "wins"?
>>534369440Do you not understand how referendums work? I would vote red but you're being retarded
>>534377069Every jew would definitely press red, so half of Whites would die and I'd be stuck in a world with jews and niggers. I do understand those who say that blue is preferable for that reason. Red is more logical, but I might press blue just because i'm suicidal
>>534377123>redfags will blow themselves up because their nature and knowledge of what they have done will make trust impossible>durr you literally said it's not worth living and are suicidalYou are literally retarded.
>>534377232Absolutely nothing will change in their understanding of human nature. It will be unfortunate to have less gullible slaves around to abuse
>>534377114It doesn't just not save the babies. Pressing it makes their chance of being killed higher.You also just made up the level of risk.
The realpolik answer is to push red since it is obvious red pushers are in the majority worldwide and blue is simply suicide. Then you can cull the cluster Bs afterwords
>>534376870>Everyone is sent to a roomHow? If we're not pressing a blue button then we're not going into any room either.>where they can press a button, or maybe starve to deathBANG!I shot the arsehole trying to force me into that gulag cell.>But left alone with two buttons and nothing else to do, a baby will eventually press one of them.How? A baby cannot climb up to the desk where the buttons are installed.What is with these weird baby torture fetishes that you weirdo blue button-pushers have?Anyway, I kick open the door and rescue the baby. The police then arrest you for organising this weird baby-kill-death game.
>>534377325Red has no risk to oneself at all. If you have no blue friends or family, you only benefit. Lower cost of housing, lower unemployment, etc. All the benefits of nuclear war with none of the downsides. Blue has a higher risk than any extreme sport or dangerous job. It has a higher potential for mortality than a German soldier on the Eastern Front.
>>534377397>howFucking magic. It doesn't matter. That is the scenario as presented.>the buttons must be on a deskSays who? No one. The scenario says everyone is taken to a room an everyone presses a button. That's it.You redesigning the scenario is yet more cope. You don't give a fuck if babies die. You are a coward and a psychopath. That's fine. Some people are those things.
>>534369021Good argument for pushing Blue...Killing all the tards who can't read that is.
Red pushers won't be satisfied with one cycle. It will never be enough for tribalistic chimp brains.None of us are safe until ALL of us are safe#teamblue
>>534377546>Everyone has to press a buttonHow does someone in a coma or paralyzed press it?
>>534377500>i must removal all risk to myself even if it kills 50% of babies and a bunch of other people tooOkay. Be evil I guess. >blue has a higher risk thanYou are making things up.
>>534377614They die I guess. Again, the scenario is evil. But that's how it is written.
>>534377725Blue is the only button with any risk to oneself. Red has no risk to others because your chance of being the tie-breaking vote is infinitesimal. The only important feature of red is that it saves your life in any case. The only benefit to blue is that you get to die if red wins, but you just kill yourself in any case if you really want to die.
>>534377754>They die I guessThe scenario said that everyone has to press a button. If 1 paralyzed person can't press it the whole test is off.
Bluefags are the biggest crybully narcissists on planet earth and are themselves the actual factual fascists that they screech about.The first bluefag to vote is a person initiating a demand that 4.5 billion people assume an unknown risk of death to save their retarded, self-important faggot ass, “blue is the selfless choice” lol lmao. Fuck blueniggers, their ideal outcome is either ending their own pathetic loser lives, or surviving to wield the world’s biggest god-like savior complex over reds forever. They are dangerous people.
>>534377546>how?>Fucking magic. It doesn't matter. That is the scenario as presented.Well if magic is in this scenario I'll wave my magic wand and make the blue button invisible.>The scenario says everyone is taken to a room an everyone presses a button.I ain't pressing no cotton-picken' button.>You redesigning the scenario is yet more cope. You don't give a fuck if babies die. You are a coward and a psychopath. That's fine. Some people are those things.You are getting upset about imaginary babies pressing imaginary buttons in an imaginary cell that YOU imagined up out of thin air.lol foids lmao
>>534377833They press it with their tongue then. Is your autism sufficiently soothed now?
>>534377754The original scenario said nothing about people who were incapable of voting being forced to vote. Why is it that bluetards, who claim they want to save everyone, are so eager to add more bodies to the pile even if it's against their will?
>>534369487when blues lose:>oh well at least our souls will rest in peace knowing we tried our best to save humanity and died by the golden rule. praise be to Jesus. Amen.when reds lose:>NOOOO WE FAILED TO GENOCIDE 49% OF HUMANITY. IT'S NOT ENOUGH THAT I LIVE, BILLIONS MUST DIE. CURSE JESUS. CURSE THE GOYIM OUTNUMBERING US TALMUDIC MINORITY
This seems like the most forced meme in years. Goyim are fucking retarded smfh. The Jews were right
>>534377894>would you play Russian roulette to save babies???Sure I guess, but only for fun. There's no logical reasons for it.
>>534377894A person in a coma can't press a button with his tongue. Get fucked.
>>534377878>i use magic to save everyone>also i hate women so i think you must be one because you are saying things i don't like and it makes me feel betterSuper cool story, bro.
>>534377833Bro just fizzled the test like he was at a mtg tournament
>>534367300There is literally no choice here, do you want to join a death cult or no? Democracy is actually a mistake.
>>534377982They wake them up from their coma to vote. Checkmate memeflaggot.
>>534378024The rules are very important!>>534377929>when reds loseReds don't lose, they win no matter what, that's the point of pressing Red. Only Blue can lose.
>>534377895Fine, they wake them up from their coma using more magic. I don't fucking know. I didn't design the scenario.
>>534378115>>534378024See >>534378088
>>534378115Reading the button explains the button lol
>>534367300libs BTFO'd
>>534378230>I win>I will arrange the scenario until I winWe know we know, youre a woman
>>534367300perhaps the great filter was never the goal, but the memes along the way after all.
The real question is whether the button-pushing is anonymous or not. If it is, then red is 100% percent the best choice and very few will even pick blue. If not, then people can be expected to pick blue out of peer pressure and there is a risk that if blue wins they try to hunt down redchads.
>>534367300its a revision of this.libs are low IQ retards, per usual
>>534378364
>>534367300This test would be funnier if the punishment was sterilization rather than death.
>>534378343The original scenario said that the vote is private and completely anonymous.
>>53437836413 technically, but it's a sliding scale. I care about all animals, but not as much as my friends and familiy
>>534378310I didn't arrange anything to win. The scenario says X will happen. I was asked to explain how X can happen by some retard autist. I came up with an explanation for him that complies with the scenario. You got mad about it for no reason and decided that I am a woman now.
>>534378470Then there's literally no risk to red. The main question is: is there anyone in your life you couldn't live without, and what is the likelihood of them pressing blue?
>>534378470Is there any option not to press either button?
>>534370581>because every member of your family is not pressing the red button>If everyone presses red everyone survives with no risk involved, right?That's how every single one of them instantly reasoned without any outside pressure.
>>534377832The benefit of blue is that everyone lives. Including vulnerable groups like babies. This only matter to you and is seen as a win if you are not a psychopath though.
>>534377989Would you demand the baby press the red button or the blue button?If you demand blue - you are a monster.If you demand red - you are a hypocrite.
>>534378494You also invent scenarios where no one has informed consent and children either starve in a room until they stumble upon a button accidentally pushing it. Yes youre a woman mentally, if not physically. Chop your balls off
>>534378715Why do the lives of babies matter any more than anyone else? It would be one thing if they were painfully tortured, but the scenario makes it seem like they're painlessly and instantaneously euthanized. If anything I care the least about the babies, they have no dreams or aspirations or sense of self, unlike red-pushers will do whatever it takes to preserve themselves and further their goals. The lives of red-pushers are the most valuable because value is subjective and red-pushers subjectively value their lives the most.
>>534378624According to the original scenario "everyone has to press a button". They don't define "everyone", "has to" or "press, which is why there's a lot of argument about babies, paralyzed or comatose people, etc. and if/how are they forced to vote.
>>534374871Why is pressing blue rational? I thought blue was the suicide button and red is the do nothing button? If you press red, nothing happens, right?
>>534378715>>534374871If you were (or are) a parent, would you want your child to press blue or red?
>>534378777Checked.There is no time to demand anything from anyone in the scenario. Also, babies would not understand what I am demanding from them.
>>534375948No, yeah. As you can see by people posting the data has already came out that the result is typically around 50/50 anyway. Even without that knowledge I would be willing to vote blue just on the basis that I believe the majority of people strictly SHOULD be good and I think it’s a better philosophical point at 50/50 than it is otherwise.At 60/40 we get into trust issues and certainly at needing 70% of people to press blue, I am pressing red at this point. So yes the phrasing of the question matters and at the current percentage most people should press blue
>>534374871Was the question anonymous? Was the question for real? Did the participants actually believe they would die?
How does your flag keep changing? You always make 5-6 posts and you fly away.
>>534378715>The benefit of blue is that everyone lives. Including vulnerable groups like babies. This only matter to you and is seen as a win if you are not a psychopath though.How many babies have you aborted, miss?Are you pro or anti abortion, miss?What's your favourite form of abortion, miss? Do you like them chopped up alive and taken out piece by piece? Do you think they scream?
>>534379106There’s some retard redbutton vpnnigger Dw bout it
>>534369140Everyone on Earth has to press a button, including children and toddlers. For that reason alone, billions are likely to press blue to save their families
>>534378837I didn't invent the scenario. I was asked questions about this scenario. Everyone is taken to a room and everyone presses a button. There is no time to come up with plans and all agree to press red. There is no option to leave without pressing a button. Idiots are asking me pointless hypothetical questions. If you don't like it then take it up with them.
>>534379297And others families too. The best part is, even if you are a loner you can still be an altruistic loner.Only on 4chan do you get this rare breed of backwater chud who is stuck on not caring about others so much that they can’t see that their ambivalence is not non-impactful, it’s a 2-vote swing in the direction of mass death and Eugenics, essentially
>>534378885>i don't understand why anyone cares about babies i actually care about them less then most peopleYes, because you are a psychopath. You are incapable of understanding why anyone presses blue. That's fine.
>>534369440Not 51%. 50% +1 person.Why would anyone vote yes?
>>534367300People who push the blue button are pathetic saviour complex narcisists. How dare they force THEIR will to live on MY desire to die, thousands of people all over the world are suffering in their daily lives, wishing they could just press a button and have it all go away, to painlessly die and be free and all these pathetic blue button pushers claim their chocie is the most moral, utterly pathetic.
>>534369289If that was the question, nobody would pick blue. Do you not understand human psychology?
>>534379422In a real scenario a lot of people would pick blue because it offers a chance for painless, guiltless suicide with an added sense of martyrdom. There's no way to account for that logically tho
>>534379297People are even more retarded to hit blue if they have family. What impact do you think one or two parents' votes will have on the outcome of the result? Completely insignificant. Now imagine the impact to their child voting red and red winning so now the child has to grow up with no family.Don't even get started on the fucking sick lunatics who would convince their own child to press blue.
>>534369336>If I reframe the question I feel less guilty
>>534379318>I didn't invent the scenario. I was asked questions about this scenario.You are inventing parts of the scenario to prove your point is correct. When people are asking those hypotheticals, you say you dont have that information not make up some elaborate nightmare situation. You are making up those scenarios because you need to justify your point because if there was informed consent, if there was no way to force the infirm, mentally ill, or the children into this situation: you'd have no foundation to your argument. Proving that with the limit information provided, pushing the red button makes the most sense and the only way to push the blue is to invent situations in which you have to. Again, thinking like a woman and youre proving why your country and all of the west is falling to the invasive browns because won't you think of the children?
>>534379152>reeeeeI'm not a woman. I haven't aborted any babies. I am against abortion.
>>534379648>he's an anti-abortiontardI see, we need to save the black babies from the DemoKKKrats...
>>534379626That’s not reframing the question. That is the look of a Pepe that is completely cognizant that those people will die when he presses red. I can’t stop laughing my ass off at the picture even though I know it’s wrong.
>>534367300But guys... if we don't all come together and press the blue one, then all those people who did will die... guys we can't let that happen#SaveTheRetards#IAmAGoodPerson
>>534369487
>>534379766The problem is that the only people stupid enough to press blue are Whites. While I hate them deeply, we need to keep them around so that we can create more White people
>>534379632No. The scenario says everyone. How exactly each of them gets to the booth and how the vote is irrelevant. Someone asked me to imagine how one of them might do it. I played along and came up with a plausible answer for them because I came here to have interesting discussions. The precise mechanisms of how a paraplegic votes changes nothing about the scenario or my position on it.>durr but how to blind people vote how to babies vote how to people with no arms voteIt doesn't matter nigger. It says they vote. And so when thinking about this scenario we must accept that they do.
>>534379704>i would kill half of all white babies as long as i get to kill brown babies tooOkay, psycho.
>>534379648>I am against abortion.Then why would you insist on tossing babies into a death chamber until they press a button that might kill them?What if they just starve to death before that?Do you blue button-pushers get enjoyment at the suffering of babies?
>>534373234Red got 137,477 votesBlue got 174,971 votesWhat does that tell you? Which would most likely lead to fewer deaths? Proselytising in favour of red or blue?
>>534373520Pressing Blue is actively causing the problem Blue tries to solve.If you press Blue, someone else has to risk their lives to save your ass. If you don't press blue, no one has to risk their life to save you.
>>534367300I don't want to live so I'll press the blue button. If I die, then that's it, if I live I get to be insufferable because I can pretend I knew and did it to save others or some nonsense
>>534379968I'm not. This scenario we are choosing to talk about, which you are also choosing to discuss, says that it happens.
>>534380035Only right answer
>>534375050Babies aren't part of the scenario. They can't vote and aren't eligible for the dilemma, just like fully paralyzed people and coma patients.It only includes abled body adults.
>>534375751>Does everyone in the world deserve to live? Rapists? Murderers? Criminals?What button do you think they will push? The save everyone button? Or the save myself button?
Why are redfags like this?
>>534373840But, if everybody picks red no one does.
>>534378946>pressing blue is rational in this case>in this caseAre you being deliberately obtuse? If you know with 100% certainty that you are the final deciding vote, then it does become a kill everyone/save everyone choice and completely alters the ethics and morality of the game so much that it may as well be a different exercise.
>>534376954The outcome is the same, so the framing shouldn't matter to perfectly rational thinkers.
>>534369487You're not as smart as you think you areHere are the facts. If you pressed blue, then you gambled your own life for no fucking reason, and now you drag others to gamble for their lives to save you from your irresponsible decision. Sunken cost fallacies is not a justification to risk more lives. They pressed the button, that's their own mistake and they don't deserve to drag everyone else down with them in order to attempt to save their stupid assIf you want to gamble your life, that's your own decission. You don't get to make that for other people. Fuck away off you blue bashing potato
>>534378981Swap the colors and this makes any actual sense.
>>534380180The outcome is not the same. If you press blue and less than 50% press blue, you die. That's not described in the picture.
>>534367300That image activates my monkey brain so I would press blue. I wouldn't even read half of it, I'd just press it.
>>534367300>Spiritually African
>>534369487>the one that deliberately votes to kill everyone else except yourself.It is impossible to press the red button and kill everyone else except yourself.It is possible that pressing the blue button ONLY kills yourself. You setting up P (press blue button) --> Q (kill only yourself)and then recontextualizing that to!P (don't press blue button) ---> !Q (kill everyone other than yourself)demonstrates a misunderstanding of how negations work. Even if that was how negations worked, the inverse of a statement is not logically sound.I'm not going to be lectured by someone who doesn't understand logic.
>>534376866Are you forgetting the risk of killing someone? Its like these kind of thoughts dont even register to the mind of the average redfag at all. Zero concern for the wellbeing of others as far as redfags are concerned.
>>534378246If the original question was framed this way, nobody would press blue. But it wasn't framed that way, so people pressed blue
>>534380121Its weirdly funny how reddies are sperging out so much about this, like they cant live with their choice and cant cope that most people dont think like them.
>You can choose to inject yourself with this deadly poison that will definitely kill you unless over 50% of humanity also chooses to inject themselves, at which point the antidote will be distributed to everyone that injected themselves>Or you can choose to not inject yourselfPresent the question like this and see how quickly bluefags change their minds.
>>534380121>Nobody needs to dieCorrect, which is why you should pick Red since only Blue introduces death>b-but muh toddlers!Adding Toddlers to the dilemma completely changes it the scenario from "Everyone that voted blue" to "everyone that voted blue and random number of babies". The original problem also never stated babies were a factor and implied any group of adults.As such, babies should not be considered.
>>534380225The vote is anonymous, I wont press anyone to press blue just because I did. Just found funny how pressed reddies are to convince others of their choice, be at peace with your choice anon.
>>534367300>demanding others do the same selflessSee, red button pressers are egotistical AND manipulative. You know damn well you press it without knowing what others press. People choosing to press blue, do it because they believe in the good of others. Luckily, most people pressed blue.
I think that a genuine dilemma would involve some sort of cost for pushing the red button. Something feasible but just high enough that it would be something you would rather not lose.Imagine that pushing the red button cost $100 or something like that. I think then there is a non-zero reason to push blue.
>>534380260Not him but you're deliberately not getting the bigger picture, which is that the blue button is the selfless button and the red button is the selfish button. Basically, if you press the selfish button, you're a kike.
>>534379538Well those people would be arguing in favour of pressing the red button
>>534367300what have the jews got people riled up about this time
>>534380105>What button do you think they will push? The save everyone button? Or the save myself button?What button do you think Hitler would press?I think he would try to save blue button-pushers like he tried to save Germany.I think Hitler would push the blue button.
>>534380452see >>534379826I'm not risking my own life because you want to be retarded and save hypothetical people that only are in danger because they voted blue.
>>534379621>People are even more retarded to hit blue if they have familyRegardless, they'd be arguing in favour of hitting blue
>>534380225Has there ever been a poll where 70% or more people pressed red without completely changing the hypothetical? No? Then you are collectively and deliberately killing a massive amount of humans by selecting red. Hope this helps, mass genocider-kun
>>534380092Everyone in the world is part of the scenario.
>>534380435>Just found funny how pressed reddies are to convince others of their choiceYou've got that backwards. It is the blue pressers who not only argue that you are a bad person if you don't press blue and try to convince everyone to. And "reddies" simply refute the guilt trip
>>534380481Blue is the selfish button because you're throwing yourself into danger and then demand that others jump into that danger to save you.
>>534380658That's not the original scenario. The original one was posted on r*ddit 4+ years ago, as was shown in one of the previous threads on the topic.
>>534368619It’s not about that at all.It’s a simple choice. Live or maybe die. No risk vs some risk. Anyone trying to convince you it’s something else is mentally ill and should not be listened to.
>>534369021Red is the button that doesn’t kill anyone tho
>>534380621I don't even know what the original hypothetical is. I've been seeing this retarded debate on /pol/ and had no idea what the fuck they were talking about and now I finally found a thread with a repersentation of the hypothetical and so i'm arguing for red in this scenario. You can give me the original if you want
When blues accuse reds of being selfish, I think of a family man weighing the odds of wether to risk leaving his children fatherless, just to add an extra 8-billionth to the chances of blues surviving. To anyone without the backwards view of the heat map, it doesn't make sense
>>534380155But in the original, i've been told reliably multiple times by red voters and their drawings that the red button does not do anything. Why does it suddenly change?
>>534380433Everyone voting red is statistically impossible 50%+ people voting blue is actually highly likelyBlue is the save everyone button
>>534367300The irony is that by using and thus promoting AI sloppery (which has the potential to fuck over all of humanity), OP pushed the proverbial blue button.
>>534369416Why would they press blue unless they want to die?
>>534380851
>>534380954See >>534380802
>>534380802That's the one everyone is talking about today.
>>534380954But that's the same thing. It's just presented with a moral frame to press blue>>534380998Are you gonna show the original or not?
>>534380906>Blue is the save everyone buttonDo they deserve to be saved?What happens if they keep finding other blue buttons to press?
>>534380260It's the same dilemma, the buttons just have reworded labels. Pressing red still saves yourself, and pressing blue does attempt to save everyone at personal risk
>>534380536Hitler gave numerous speeches about caring for others, being selfless, and how the enemies to the Volk are inherently selfish, egotistical people who lack empathy. Empathy is what sets Whites apart from other races, and is less common among lower IQs. There is nothing less White than low-empathy.
>>534375050Why would pressing red transport me to an evil prison planet? You can't just change the scenario to make it obviously wrong.
>>534380998This is the one that started the threads on /pol/
>>534381055>presented with a moral frame to press blueYes, which make it more likely that someone you care about will be tricked by it and press blue. Which makes more people want to press blue.
>>534381082>Do they deserve to be saved?Yes, because blue pressers consist mostly of innocent and well-meaning people, children, people trying to save their loved ones, etc.
>>534380536Yes, Hitler would push blue
>>534381153The implication is that this planet becomes an evil prison planet because of who is left on it and who is now missing from it.
>>534380906You don't need to believe everyone will hit redYou just have to believe people who hit red will be the majority for the choice to hit blue to make no sense to you, even if you think its moral to put your life on the line to help others. From that point of view its just pointless suicide.
>>534381099>Empathy is what sets Whites apart from other races,Unrestrained empathy is a female trait. They will welcome 40-year old foreign rapists off the boats with toys and candy.
It is not even a prisonners dilemma. There is no incentive not to press red. It's just about signalling that you are willing to act against your own self-interest. Because people have been trained since childhood through television, ect, to reflexively associate acting against your own self-interest with some 'moral' quality.
>>534380741>its selfish to press the "save everyone" buttonYour mental gymnastics to justify being a greedy selfish kike have gone on long enough
>>534381248You don't have to be evil to not want to risk death, especially if you're someone like a parent who has people relying on him
>>534381201>Yes, because blue pressers consist mostly of innocent and well-meaning people, children, people trying to save their loved ones, etc.Those liberals are the same traitors that are ushering in unlimited low IQ browns to colonise out countries and rape our women while claiming our welfare.
>>534381328That's a failure to empathize with one's own people, not a failure of empathy itself. Without empathy, Whites would be driving past dying White children like the Chinese do for their own. You are closer to the chinkbug who drives past a dying toddler on the streets when you promote the red button.
>>534381483Someone needs to make an image of a white guy reaching for the red button while being held back by queers, browns, etc. Titled white man's burden
>>534381411The people relying on you are in another room being presented with a misleading question that make blue sound better than it is. If they are capable of understanding the question at all in which case there is a 50% chance they randomly select blue.How are you going to feel after if they pressed blue and you pressed red? And everyone knows it because all those people are dead now.
>>534381672Again you invent a scenarioLolYou cant help yourself
>>534381248>The entire Earth is going to become a prison planet because people who don’t run into a burning building are still alive
>>534381729I didn't invent the scenario. I just understand it and you do not.
>>534381583Pic related.Blues are on the left.Reds are on the right.
>>534381672Also how are any blue people gonna know i pressed red? They are dead maam
>>534381779I was talking about if red "won". You really must be retarded to not be able to figure that out on your own.
>>534369487Pic related
>>534381672>How are you going to feel after if they pressed blue and you pressed red?I’d think “damn, those people were idiots”.
>>534381672If it turns out pressing blue got all the blue pressers killed then it becomes clear that for me to have pressed blue would have been a mistakeThe tally is not going to come down to the 49.9999999% that would mean my ine extra push mattered, so from my point of view I would have been throwing my life away for nothing.Me and my red pressing children will mourne those lost and live with their memories
>>534381328You are indian shut up.
Blue button. I swear to fucking god if more than 50% press it I will invent the green button.
>>534369163letting you die is not murdering you, retardyou made an informed choice to risk your life and red is respecting your retardation
>>534381932>Most people press the nobody dies buttonBaseless assumptionIf she is wrong third step is actually death
>>534381164Well yeah you have a pointBut what is actually happening is the lowest most selfish scum of society gambled their own lives for no reason what so ever and now everyone get's dragged into making their choice too, to save their stupid ass. Which they don't deserve. And now it becomes a sunk cost fallacy. Just don't press the fucking blue one. It's that simple. You shouldn't be blackmailed and swayed by scum who don't deserve the skin of your shite, who would put their own lives and others at risk for absolutely no reason. Those who fall for the guilt trip framing are doing the same thing in the end, even if their reason was noble. If most press red, people will die. If we all just pressed blue, then there would be no problem, everything would work out fine. Except you were made to do something that was wrong. You gambled your own and other's lives. In theory, pressing blue repulses me because I know it is wrong. But in practice, if framed the original way, because you know a significant amount of well meaning idiots will press blue, it is the right thing to do
>>534381082>they dont deserve to be saved!You are the meme
>>534381328That's sympathy, not empathy. Empathy is feeling others' emotions, and having empathy for foreign rapists means acknowledging that they are rapists who want to rape
>>534381845>how will the people who pressed as the same as you feelProbably exactly how I feel
>>534378981Why is it red with a gun to his own head?
>>534368619It's just a logic test
what would happen if you refuse to press either button?
>>534379998That'd be nice if that worked, but reality shows that proselytization actually goes in the other direction.
>>534382143>"It's too late, I already depicted you as the soijack and me as the chad"This entire board argues like children.
>>534382143So are you lol
>>534380844If you understand statistics red is more likely to cause death. You would need 100% of votes on red to spare all lives where as you only need 50%+ of blue for no deaths. The red button only makes sense if you can get the message out to everyone and get everyone on board. That's extremely unlikely to happen outside of a small group.
>>534381362But ironically it does create incentive for red-pressers to claim to have pressed blue. Similar to the rich and powerful who pretend to be vaxxed.
>>534382252According to the Canadian who invents scenarios, you starve to death in a room like all the babies who dont understand informed consent
>>534381967>it just happenedIt happened because you and people like you made a choice. Are you not responsible in any way for an outcome if you vote for it?
>>534367300I didn't know blue button was so based.
>>534369487It's very simple to explain that most blues are genuine psychopathic retards who have no theory of mind of othersIncrease the threshold to something over 50%, like 80% or 99%, and every single blue asshole arguing how virtuous they are and how evil red is, now goes and presses red because blue is almost certain suicide.You were never virtuous, you're just think the risk is worth it at 50%.BUTBy YOUR OWN arguments that "red is murder" and "what about the babies tho", you'd be an hypocrite and a self-professed murderer of innocent people if you pressed red at a 99% threshold instead of blue.And that is how I know for a fact the majority of blues are actual evil psychopaths.Because you're not honest, and you have no integrity. You're a bunch of virtue signalling hypocrites whom, in later polls, have proven want to mass murder reds "for the greater good".Heck, just look at pic related.
>>534382166What if all of your children pressed blue and all of theirs pressed red. Do you still think they'd feel the same as you?
>>534380373
>>534382521They are deadThey won't feel anything
>>534367300Good can understand evil, but evil cannot comprehend good.
>>534382472do I get to know who the person assigned to me is?
>>534382574The other parent who is still alive. Not the children.
>>534382446No, the person/god/whatever who put this demented situation into play is responsible. People can't be reasonably expected to risk their lives in this gamble of uncertainty.
>>534382576Lel based
>>534382654They'd probably wonder why I raised such stupid kids, id be wondering the same thing
>>534380481The blue button is ONLY selfless if you're actually being selfless.Are you pressing blue when it's 99% chance to die? No? Of course only an idiot would do it in that case.If you want to see how many people are ACTUALLY selfless, go look at this: >>534382472You see that Me Blue / Other Red result?That's ACTUAL selflessness. It got 1.8% of the vote, if we count it for only blue-pressers, it's 10% of blues.10% of you fuckers are actually selfless. The rest of you blues are psychos.
>>534382576That's you're retarded ego rationalizing the moral superiority of your choice. In reality this entire thought experiment is a think trap to get you retarded apes to throw shit at each other. The jews are right about you.
>>534367300Maybe I’m autistic but I don’t understand why this is even a debate. I don’t think I’m particularly selfish but I look at this “dilemma” and just think that you’d have to be a retard to pick blue. There’s literally no downsides to picking red. Everyone should just pick red and let the literal suicidal people pick blue. I don’t understand why we’re still talking about this dumb trolley problem for morons.
>>534367300This challenge is stupid because there is no incentive for surviving or dying.If everyone presses the blue button, you just return to the status quo,which is the same as doing nothing.The "gamble" has no reward. So pressing it is meaningless.There needs to be a balance, such as>If the majority of people press red, Everyone survives but gets AIDSThen it would be sorted.
>>534375917LOL, even in a world without "selfish thirdies", you'd still press the red button.
>>534382472>if the question was different it would be differentYou don't say.
>>534380237>>534382229holy shit brown sub 50IQ retards lol.
>>534382472>most blues are genuine psychopathic retards who have no theory of mind of otherslol
>>534369487If everyone picks red then no one dies. There is no moral dilemma. This is retarded and I’m not even going to read your whole reply.
>>534368619>it's opportunism to not put yourself in mortal danger for no possible gain
>>534382654If survivor's guilt turns out to be unbearable and your whole spawn was taken by the button, then suicide afterwards
>>534382472>Increase the threshold to something over 50%, like 80% or 99%, and every single blue asshole arguing how virtuous they are and how evil red is, now goes and presses red because blue is almost certain suicide.Picrel is all you need for everyone to acknowledge that red is the right answer
>>534382719>man kids do dumb things sometimes so good thing no one was willing to take on any risk to protect them oh wellParent of the year.
>>534382780This, my psychopath enemy, was meant to explore the psychology of people picking red or blue.The truth sure is uncomfortable for you immoral retards, isn't it. You were never good people, you're willing to commit more evil than anyone else at the blink of an eye and refuse to see that truth about yourselves.The funny thing is, blue isn't inherently immoral, it just has the widest moral scope of choices and consequences, but the vast majority of people picking blue fall on the evil side of the scope, not the good side.
>>534382472>red me/blue otherGenuine murderous behavior
>>534367300>All it took was two different buttons to divide and conquer pol.Looks like the shills struck gold with this one. They have you apes in a frenzy.
>>534382792LMFAOOOOOOOBasically redbuttontards in a nutshell
>>534367300I'm still confused by this problem:Suppose we are at the very beginning where no one has pressed any buttons yet. Why would anyone push blue when there is no advantage to pushing blue.
>>534382709You can just say that about the whole demented situation that is our world and then claim no responsibility for any of your actions.
>>534382923it's understandable only if you know who the other is and you hate them.
>>534382792Fixed
>>534382832And if half press blue then no one dies. Which do you think is more likely?
>>534381987Fuck it I went and invented the green button.
Blue indicates high trust in society.Red indicates low trust in society.Typically normalfags will push blue, even properly socialized niggers will do itBut people that have had bad experiences like bullying, victims of crime, being radicalized, some kind of trauma or ptsd, living near niggers, etc will push redIn other words there's usually some kind of reason someone will push red.
>>534382923And look how fucking big that vote fraction is. Blues are genuine fucking psychos (with some small fraction of honest selfless people)The most evil people and the best people are both pressing blue, subsequent polls and arguments however are proving that most of the blues are on the evil psychopath end of the spectrum and not the "I want to save people" end of the spectrum.They can't even understand what responsibility is. Blues are majority entitled and resentful people who think they deserve being saved, that others are responsible for them, and if you don't pick the same thing they do then you must be an evil murderer which justifies killing you first.It is the communist/socialist/liberal/leftist psychology put on full display, the reality of their psychopathy exposed.
>>534383029The margins in online polls are around 10 points in favor of blue. If the probability is 95% that blue/Hilldawg wins, I'm not taking 1 in 20 odds of me killing myself.
>>534382913I mean its another one of your invented scenarios. Currently I have no children, in the future if I do have children I hope I have taught them well enough to understand risk mitigation. If not, thats on me as a parent. Your children will not be under your control for the majority of their lives it is up to us to prepare them to make good decisions for when they are out in the world. Your just as bad as a squealing nigress in a court room wondering why her good boy is going to prison because he aint never do nuttin to nobody
>>534382918Blues are the same people who joined the Covid Cult.
>>534369487> They also, for whatever reason, remove the positive of blue being that you are saving all of humanityRed voters don’t need saving. You are only saving yourself by voting blue. It’s just like red only retarded because it’s not guaranteed to work unlike red.
>>534382918>This, my psychopath enemy, was meant to explore the psychology of people picking red or blue.you havent explored shit though. >You were never virtuous, you're just think the risk is worth it at 50%well of course? no one would shit on red if the threshold required was 99%. bluepressing is rational when expected lives saved is positive
>>534376645>it's possible to cooperate and have everyone liveCorrect, and that can be achieved by having everyone push red. No risk of failure on that option either.>but it's easier to get 51% to push blue than to get 100% red!So what? If blue falls short by even a single vote, 4 billion people die. A MUCH smaller number than that will die if most push red, let's be generous and say 25% of the population is retarded and presses blue. It would be much less, but let's give you maximum charity.Ok. 2 billion vs. 4 billion deaths. And you say the reds are the bad guys? You must be joking.
>>534383029A retard that willingly puts a gun to it's head and threatens you to kill itself if you don't join it's weird pseudo-suicide cult deserves to die for wanting to force people into it, so it's not even morally sound if you care about bullshit like morality lol
>>534382792This picture just further confirms that some of blue are also just fucking idiots that don't even understand the problem they're being asked.
>>534383117all fucking normalfags should fucking die
>>534382918Projection. Believing I have common cause with 51% of other people, on the most basic thing that I want to protect my children, is not psychopathic no matter how much you ramble and pilpul.If you are so afraid of people that you can't trust them to do even that then if only people like you were left it really would not be long at all before you exterminated each other in your pursuit of perfect safety from all possible dangers that other people represent to you.
>>534382991No, the real world has nuance and a squillion different factors at play. Its nothing like the hard immediate life-or-death nature of this thought experiment.
>>534380345Will you ever understand that pushing red does not equate to killing a blue? Blues killed themselves the moment they pushed blue. If they had pushed red, they wouldn't die. That is not, and never will be, the red pushers fault.
>>534383117You can have high trust in your fellows to press red
>>534383238It's the same thing. You are given choices. You make them. You are responsible for them.
>>534383187And red is running up to all those individuals to pull the trigger and laugh.
>>534383225YOU are the one projecting, retard. YOU are the liberal idiot destroying White nations. YOU are the person who drives communism. YOU are the person who commits mass genocides and implements insane totalitarian laws under the feel good guise of "helping people".You cannot be helped. You will never see how evil you are. You cannot even comprehend how fucking evil you are.If everyone just worked together, communism would finally workAnd then you go and murder 60 million christians because they must have been what was preventing communism from working, "all red button pushers anyway"The red blue button problem is a great litmus test for sorting out the actual psychopaths in society, the ones who think they deserve, yet are resentful of everyone else
>>534380906> >50% blue is highly likelyWe disagree on this evaluation. Anonymous polls on twitter are never, ever going to represent actual reality, because there are no consequences to pushing the "virtue signal" button.In real life, it would be overwhelmingly red. I'm talking 90+%
>>534383117No you jeet retard if everyone presses red literally everyone wins, blue literally is only a virtue signal play
>>534383285They genuinely cannot conceive of it.The supreme being running the experiment is killing peopleThe participants at their worst are letting people dieThey're not equivalent, and the blue moralizing psychopath can't tell. For in his mind he is pressing blue, and by respecting his retarded choice you are murdering him.
>>534383315Yes, with choices and outcomes that are far more observable and real than risking suicide to add an extra vote to a tally of billionsBeing there for your children and raising them right is definitely one of those
>>534383285This. People who can’t see this shouldn’t be allowed to take out loans, vote or even drive. It’s too much responsibility for them since they clearly have no concept of responsibility in the first place.
>>534383026>random retard sends train towards other for no reason why calling other retardssame indian who shit the street
>>534383324you can see it as that, but you can also perceive it as pic related
>>534381987>>534383111Can we have this button instead?
>>534367300Anyone who shills for blue clearly wants people to die if everyone would shill for red then nothing would occur and everyine would be saved, ergo anyone who chooses blue is inherently immoral merely for virtue signal points
>>534383453You can leave the track
>>534383363It doesn't need to be everyone in this scenario. I am aware that psychopaths like you exist so 99% really would be suicide. At least 51% of normalfags would either be tricked by the misleading question, or figure it out and hit blue anyway because they care about their children and some other people who they feel could be tricked by it.The question is framed in the misleading way it is precisely because most people care about some other people. Otherwise it wouldn't work.This isn't an IQ test. It is an empathy test. You psychopaths get outed by it and then desperately pilpul in an attempt to normalize your now exposed psychopathy.
>>534381672>and everyone knows you pressed redWell, duh, because they also pressed red. Because everyone that pushed blue is dead now. There would be no guilt tripping from the survivors, because they all necessarily made the exact same choice I did.Do you even hear yourself? Well, no, obviously you don't. You picked blue, you have no idea what logical thinking looks like.
>>534383439Yeah just change the criterion to “if 100% vote blue then everyone survives” and it’s immediately obvious that red is the non-suicidal choice. All this proves is that about 57% of people prefer the idea of being a great savior of dip shit retards when there’s no actual cost to doing so
>>534383502I agree on the general sentiment, but there ARE people pushing blue for good reasons, who are not feeling entitled to being saved, and who are not resentful at red for not saving them.Those are the genuinely good people who push blueThey are not the majority of people who push blueand that's the big problem.
>>534383458fug
>>534383502Bluefags imagine bizarre scenarios where illiterate Browns press blue because it’s their favorite color and then claim they’d gladly die to save them
>>534383502Nice projection. Anyone pushing blue os the attention whore here."Oh look at me, I'm risking my life to save the hypothetical firt blue button pusher. I'm so brave and valid, let me dilate ising your children's fingers."
>>534383502But no one dies if blue wins
>>534383559No you are just a moron who can’t make good choices because of a pathological savior complex.
>>534383651but that's boring, status quo is gay
>>534383444It's not suicide. It is a risk. You can't be there for your children if you collectively kill them so that you can avoid the risk of relying on other people to also try to protect their children.
>>534383583No stupid people who put themselves in harm’s way needlessly are not doing good
>>534383580The real question being asked is basically "Do you think this risk is worth it?"Red's answer is morally neutral - "No I don't"Blue's answer is a morally lethal pit trap that takes genuine virtue to navigate through. The moment you think red needs to be punished is the moment you're admitting you picked blue for all the wrong reasons.Blue takes considerable moral and philosophical understanding, plus a distinct lack of respect for your own life, to choose virtuously.
>>534383651And yet it puts people in an unnecessary risk. That's why everyone needs to push it.Its like communism. But less worse.
>>534383651And if they lose?
>>534383784Most blues would put a gun to your head and threaten to kill you if you don't press blue
>>534383794Then the reds kill them
The whole crux of this thought experiment is about the choices other people make, but the problem of people dying doesn't actually exist until someone chooses to push blue
>>534383834Let dieNot the same as killingWhoever is running the experiment does the killingReds choose to let you die (you made your own INFORMED choice to risk death btw)
>>534383821I meant that its less worse in a way that if everyone picks blue at least not everyone starves at the end.
>>534367403pussin the bald dwarf faggot pushes the button everyday to kill 1000 russniggers in eastern ukraine, BASED
>>534383708>you must have a complex to not avoid all risks no matter the costNo. You are just a coward that never leaves their room.
>>534383864So who is more morally repugnantThe person who pushes red to avoid taking a riskOr the first person that pushes blue and starts the death game in the first place?
>>534383444You don't even need to have children. Just being there for yourself is enough. There is nothing wrong with not wanting to risk your own life for no reason.You don't have to pretend to care about the lives of hypothetical strangers either.
>>534383732I can't be there for my children if I died throwing my life away.When it comes to a tally of billions, you are obviously far more reliant on others to protect your blue-pressing children than you have power to influence yourself. If there's enough then your own extra push wouldn't have been needed anyway, again its not going to come down to 49.9999999 percent. The pragmatic angle is always going to be to push red
>>534381362High IQ post. Also if this was real we know blue would almost certainly lose the vote. Since nothing is actually at risk a vote for blue is a pure retarded virtue signal.
>>534383225We all have the same option to pick red and be fine.But you have a pathological need to make it into activism, so you pick blue and tell yourself it's heroic, decent and putting faith in others, but it's a needless risk. Nobody needs to risk anything. You're doing it to yourself, like a trust fall exercise when nobody asked for one.
>>534383905Blue in my opinion, makes the most sense when the risk threshold is low, the participants trust each other, and you have a vested interest in 100% survival. So, e.g. if the vote were JUST your family, and especially if you have time to discuss and especially if the threshold is say 30% instead of 50% or higher - then as it stacks more and more towards lower risk, blue looks like the better option.The problem is fundamentally what you're willing to risk and for what. A bunch of strangers on the other side of the world? Hard pass. Even if some of my family might press blue, the numbers are too large to influence, so it's best to take a stop loss position.>>534383933You're the coward who demands other people to save you from your own incompetent choices and blames them if they don't. You cannot live with being responsible for your own actions.
