P1. Finite beings have an essence-existence distinctionP2. Whatever has the essence-existence distinction must have a source for its existenceP3. Finite beings cannot be the source of their own existence, since if they were, they would be their own explanation, but this is impossible because nothing finite explains itself, otherwise it would exist prior to itself, which is a contradiction.P4. If something finite has its source in another finite being, then this too must have its source for existence in another, but this chain cannot go on forever, since if it did there would be no explanation for the existence of any being in the chain since no source in the chain could adaqeutly explain the existence of any other being in the chain without itself needing an explanationC. Therefore there must be some first source for the existence of finite beings, which itself is neither finite nor has a source of its own and, which, therefore, itself requires no explanation and whose essence must be identical with its existenceAnd this we call God, which was to be demonstrated (quod erat demonstrandum)
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>>534373557>>534374632>P1 & P2non equilibrium thermodynamics show that matter is not a collection of "things" with essences, but a series of dissipative structures.basically in systems far from equilibrium, order emerges spontaneously from chaos.in these systems there is no distinction between what a thing is (essence) and what it does (existence/process).like a whirlpool or a storm isn't a "thing" that exists, it is a continuous pattern of energy flow.if existence is defined as a constant process of energy transformation rather than a "property" added to an essence then the requirement for an external source to "grant" existence vanishes.Existence is simply the ongoing flux of complexity. (all backed up by empirical science btw. and not made up jewish storys)>P3 & P4as it turned out the universe is governed by large scale electromagnetic forces and plasma filaments, not just gravity acting on mass.these electrical circuits operate on principles of feedback loops and selforganizing currents.instead of a linear chain (A causes B), we actually see a networked causality.in a network, cause and effect are recursive and systemic.also in an eternal evolving plasma field, we do not need a "first cause" to start the chain. (big bang is also BS FYI)we only need to recognize that the "chain" is a self sustaining cycle.just as an electric circuit doesnt require a "creator" for every individual electron movement but rather operates according to the inherent properties of the field, so the universe functions through the inherent properties of electromagnetism and entropy.self organization replaces creation, electromagnetic self regulation replaces divine will and eternal flux replaces the prime mover.tl;dr empirical science shows the universe is a continuous process of energy transformation (doesnt need a creator).
>>534375725the universe functions on laws which we discover.who is the law maker? who sets the boundaries? who set the mechanism of an atom and determined where it will end up 1000 years in the future?
>>534373557>I can't imagine anything outside of simple causality save me YHWHMAN
>>534375941classic mistake you make here is assuming that math is reality.this is not true, the math is the math and the reality is the reality.math is just a derivative of the reality and only describes the reality.math and reality are NOT the same thing.>who is the law maker?it doesnt need one>determined where it will end up 1000 years in the future?nobody, the universe is not a clockwork machine following a prewritten script. it is a probabilistic field.
>>534375941Necessity
>>534376616>it is a probabilistic field.then the laws of nature would be probabilistic which they are not. your argument falls apart here.>>534376659necessary for whom?
>>534376747>your argument falls apart here.not at all, physics is built on the fact that deterministic patterns emerge from probabilistic foundations.a universe can be fundamentally uncertain at its core while remaining perfectly orderly in its structure.this removes the need for a "Lawmaker" because order is an inherent, emergent property of large scale systems acting within a probabilistic field, its not a set of rules imposed by a creator to keep chaos in check.
>>534376747Things that exist exist because every other variation is not possible
>>534373557Get this retarded bullshit out of here>>534375941There is none you anthropomorphizing retard
>>534377049but the universe is not uncertain otherwise we could not uncover the laws its ordered by.>>534377285something can not come out of nothing.
>>534377519That's literally your own fucking doctrine, retard
>>534377519your argument relies on an obsolete Newtonian view of a clockwork universe that has been superseded by the reality of emergent complexity.
Matter cannot be created nor destroyed :)Stop quoting stupid judeochristian monks babbling 1000 years ago. Next.
>>534373557Therefore we must follow the laws of the jew god.
>>534377706>Latin>roman catholic doctrine>the same that gave you the big bangGod created heavens and the earth. Something came from someone. God is not nothingness.>>534377753God knows every single hair on your head and sees every bird that dies because its all predetermined. God was before and knew everything beforehand.
>>534377995Therefore you must cut off the foreskin of your children.
>>534374632cool chartyou have talentmake moar
>>534377995The universe is creating itself as it goes, it is not playing back a recording.
>>534373557jews really get bent out of shape over paintings like this
>>534378546yeah and you just popped into the world out of nowhere instead of being the product of your father and mother.
>>534378738Who created god :)
>>534373557>P1. Finite beings have an essence-existence distinctionFalse, there's no human essence one can point to
>>534379284The joke is that the previous owner of the store is called Chuck so if you replace "Sneed" with "Chuck" you get "Chuck's Feed & Seed".
>>534373557The theory of evolution > kike pilpul like this. The ornately complex world cannot be decomposed into clean rational syllogisms.
>>534373557A thing is only a thing in relation to something else that it is not.The All is both everything and nothing simultaneously, since there is no "other" beside it to relate it toNothingness isn't oblivion or a stagnant black void.When people ask:>why is there something instead of nothing?This IS nothing
>>534378738>yeah and you just popped into the world out of nowhereI literally never claimed this, so why even make this strawman argument?is it because you got BTFO and realized your religion and God is fake and gay?also your reply and logical fallacies confirm that you have conceded the debate and I accept your concession.
>>534379645are you dumb? I was making fun about "the universe created itself as it goes".this is marvel movie level of thinking.
>>534375725This, and there is quantum uncertainty on top: the values of this energy field with regards to time evolve (dissipate) according to the laws of thermodynamics and the fundamental forces, but there is randomness to the values. There can be arbitrarily large spikes of random change in any given coordinate compared to the expected, but with a correspondingly tiny probability, which explains why there is nonzero potential energy to dissipate (enthropy)>>534374632To address the original pic:>We assume without evidence that the world did not always existThen we can dismiss this whole chain of reasoning similarly without evidence right here, but let's proceed>Motion means change. Change means the conversion from potential from actualSo far so good, though none of those examples are motion>A potential cannot do anything because it is not actual, potentials cannot make themselves actual???It is the process of transforming from potential to actual that does anything. A potentially cold drink (concentration of heat) becomes actual through dissipating that heat into the actually cold ice to reach equilibriumPotentials very much do make themselves actual, in fact they cannot do anything elseRight here, the argument breaks down>Something purely actual is omnipotentSomething without potential is the exact opposite of omnipotent (has all potentials). It cannot do anything, it is in a state of heat death, totally dissipated into thermal equilibrium.>As the grounding of all true propositions it would not have knowledge but be knowledge, lacking knowledge is potentialMeaningless philosopherslop. Information storage requires non-unformity, order, which is the opposite of thermal dissipation into equilibrum.>Physical subvstances can change location which are unrealized potentialsIn the context of a gravitational field, which has a range limited by inflation and quantum uncertainty. The mass of gravitationally unbound objects has no potential energy
>>534373557And yet particles pop in and out of existence in a quantum vacuum
>>534379875>I was making funyour "fun making" was actually just a butthurt seethe reaction because you have lost the argument.also your religion/god is still fake and gay.
>>534380309>actually just a butthurt seethe reactionyeah tell yourself that, kiddo. kek
>>534373557If god can exist from nowhere why cant humans?
>>534373557Tldr >God exists
