They can scream and seethe, they can't refute this simple truth.>inb4 no way, you're our bitch!Then what are you so mad about?Ami go home
>>534377752we are cheering to leave. enjoy the meatgrinder when you realize you actually have to fund your own military instead of relying on american subsidies
>>534377957Europe accounts for 40% of American military exports. Europe will be gaining jobs from independence, the US will be losing them. Europe no longer dances to the tune of the US and Israel. There will be no meat grinder. Meanwhile Israel will be sending americans to the meat grinder.
>>534377957Aww. You can name some of these crucial subsidies, right?
>>534378474how about the entire US Navy securing the global maritime commons so your dying export dependent economy can ship cars and import energy? you outsourced your entire defense budget to washington for 70 years to fund your bloated welfare state while pretending to be morally superior
>>534378827>how about the entire US Navy securing the global maritime commonsyou mean the US propping up China for some reason, forcing industry here to have compete with literal slave labour?yeah, we don't want that either
>>534377752They can't because they need Europe on their side if they want to maintain their global hegemony.
>>534378954so why are you seething then
>>534378827You mean against pirates or retarded superpowers blocking economic chokepoints? Damn, when are they gonna start?Nigger go home
>>534379262>Damn, when are they gonna start?the questions you ought to be asking are>when are they going to stopnever>what can germany do about itnothing
>>534379349Then why are you seething so much? Thanks for the gifts, if you don't like gifting, fuck off.
>>534377752>they could just leav-ACK
>>534377752Why do eurofaggots worship a retarded cuck who turned France into a discount version of Africa?
>>534377957>weYou're a leaf faggot
>>534379170you're the one coming into this thread to defend globalisation and the USnobody is seething but youthe reality:the rest of the world subsidises the entire US economy, and by extension their perpetual budget deficit, and their military, by using their dollar as primary reserve currencyhow did you think they pay for everything as a country? A: issuance!because we use their dollar, they can print to service their deficit, and they can print to pay for their bloated military, and yet they don't suffer the normal effects of this (i.e. Zimbabwean hyperinflation)by incessantly printing, and therefore devaluing our holdings, they're siphoning wealth from our countries, and they use that money to prop up China, which kills our native industry, to the point we can't afford large militariesthey then they offer "military protection" which amounts to absolutely nothing -- they've specifically stated they will not offer any actual protection, but merely give us the opportunity to buy their weapons to fight in their Israel warsin light of this one-sided arrangement, Eurasia is rapidly divesting from the dollar (look it up, it's happening), and that's going to undermine their economy very quickly, because that's HOW America makes its moneyAmerica has no backup planhyperinflation is an inevitability at this point
>>534379475I have really no idea what you're advocating for.
>>534378255>i want to believe
>>534377957What subsidies retard? US MIC makes almost half if it's money selling to Europe. And what should Europe be afraid of? Fucking Russia that can't conquer 20% of Ukraine over 5 years?
>>534377752Didn't you guys just meet your 2% gdp obligation to nato? After 80 years?
>>53437994024years, but good call. Almost witty for a nigger.
>>534377752Hans, we in Europe have to realise that America is against us, Russia is against us, and China is against us.The way to secure a prosperous future for Europe is for European countries to work together. More cooperation is needed, not less.I reckon my country will rejoin the EU within my lifetime. A splintered Europe will be weaker and poorer, which no sane person could want.
>>534381240Are you drunk?
>>534379800The US are plugged into pretty much every strategic part of Europe, like a squid wrapped around a wreck at the bottom of the ocean. And that’s without even mentioning weapons we keep buying from them like good goys, ie: the F-35s that can get turned off remotely.Europe’s been turned into a vassal state. Starting in 1945, step by step.Even if there was a political awakening tomorrow (there won't) it’d still take at least 10 years to get back even a fraction of true sovereignty.
>>534381592No, why? What's your proposal then? You think Germany alone can push back against the US, China, or even Russia? You can't, but Europe together can. People across Europe have recognised the value of a united Europe, which is how the EU came to exist.
>>534381598France surely has the best and most sovereign military in Europe, since you have a completely sovereign nuclear weapons programme, unlike the UK, which is dependent on American missiles to launch our nukes. Also of course France doesn't have any American military bases, because Charles de Gaulle was smart enough to kick the yanks out.
>>534377957>We Our pathetic country's military is also propped up by the US. Canada only hit the 2% by sucking in the gunless coastguard, to support our mostly gunless navy.
I dont want the burgers to leave because I have become frens with many of them. But if they leave they leave.What I do hope for them tho is that they know that a few people are grateful, and wish them nothing but a safe and great future back in hamburger land. I do for sure. I do also think that USA is being the grown up in the room no matter how dumb Trumps tweets are. After all, Americas job is NOT to make our countries safe and secure. That is our own "leaders" jobs. So having had a partner like the US is more a privelige than anything else. The fact that we have created this weak and crying leadership over here is something people over here have to thank themselves for since they are the ones who actually voted these lefties or righties over here into office, not the US. So people can cry and seethe as much as they want regarding this, but remember that the people who now "try" to act tuff and baddie, will not be able to save any of you because they cant even handle the easiest tasks over here lol. Thats a simple fact. They dont have any plan B for this at all. Zero. They can talk about it, but remember that is what they always do, talk.
>>534381598Gottcha, i almost wasn't sure if this was supposed to be some >German ground troops are dependant on american expertiseangle. I do think you guys pulled the right levers tho. We will build a nuclear umbrella and we will form a united european military presence. Also proper cafes everywhere.>>534381927I was pro Europe from the first sentence in this thread. Maybe we took a while, but the paneuropean gears are finally snapping into place. There's no need to give me some laudatio.
>>534382506>I was pro Europe from the first sentence in this thread. Maybe we took a while, but the paneuropean gears are finally snapping into place. There's no need to give me some laudatio.Okay fair enough. It's possible that you could have supported Americans leaving Europe while also opposing European cooperation. Lots of people on /pol/ seem to oppose European nations cooperating because they think their single European nation should only care about its own interests, without any care for Europe. Realistically I think that's not a great strategy, because each single European country is much less powerful than the big powers of the world.Look at Africa, where a lot of those countries are basically colonised by China. China offers loans and infrastructure projects to African countries, but in return those countries have to do China's bidding.
>>534382427So you're saying if ami goes home we even get politicians stepping up?Jesus, sign me the fuck up.Jokes aside, i think everyone with two brain cells sees what going and i agree, on a personal level i met plenty of proper chaps stationed in hamburg. However i'm just annoyedtired by miggers and if the orange jew just wants to finally unite europe, then let him be my guest.
>>534382001It's crazy to think all of our military and energy sovereignty comes from De Gaulle and every single globohomo leader has tried to remove what's left of it ever since.He was a fag on losing Algeria but damn I'd give everything to live in his 60s France:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZeFAgwwFcw
>>534382774To be quite blunt, i see britain and have rather big concerns your boomers will hold you back another three decades till you finally can let go of your currency. Still hope you make the cut once anyome gets the wild idea of actually calling out a federation.>AfricaI don't know, whole lot of other problems and in my eyes a failed continent. Too many cultural problems, read corruption, to deal with other heavily organised civilisations.
>>534377957In the Netherlands the population, media and parliament members are also cheering for America to leave, but the government insists we need America.
>>534382786Kek.But yeah, I agree with you also and we do all see whats going on.I honestly think that if Europe ever will get their shit together, something drastic like the US pulling out completely or a lot, is the only way things will change here. Both you and me know how slow things are over here with everything in every single country. Our leaders are not leaders but people who spend a ton of tax money on flying here and there having meetings and sleeping in expensive hotels while they are "montitoring situations" and "condemning" shit.It also might be that the US do all of this for the simple reason that they also see that as long as they are here and keep up what has been done for decades, nothing will happen.I believe that most leaders over here is just waiting for the next US election, in hope for a democrat winning so that "things will go back to normal". By doing so they can just continue the same thing that they always do with little to no changes. One thing is to say that they will increase defence spending, another thing is them actually doing it.
>>53438304470s here. It's absolutely insane to think we once had a moderate left disgusted by communism and fighting against immigration.
>>534377752>GermanyPretty sure you guys screamed and shit yourselves last time the US said they would leave.
>>534383490Mutt delusion not different from trannies thinking they'revwomen
>>534383396Eh, i guess it walks along democratic elected speeds. We’ll probably have our own alt right shock in 2028, so fun times ahead, but maybe aforementioned lefties will finally wake up and return to their origin.Regarding the USA; Nah, i don't tink there ever was a particular plan, everyone just hoped to keep the MIC and petrodollar schemes running till finally a TV star and some tech billionaires came along. I would say we're watching neocons making the best out of it, but then i couldn't tell what the fucking iran move was about either.
>>534383044If Macron wanted to dismantle France's sovereign nuclear weapons programme then surely he would have done so, but I'm not aware of him doing so. Same goes for energy sovereignty, by which I guess you mean all the nuclear power stations.>>534383192Yes I think the currency would be a big sticking point to be honest. Perhaps the EU should make it fair and only ask the UK to adopt the Euro if all the other EU countries are made to adopt the Euro: Sweden, Poland, Denmark, etc. Yes I know Denmark has an opt-out but that seems a bit dumb and unfair that they are the only country in the entire EU to have an opt-out. But I guess they would say "well we only agreed to join the EU if we were allowed to have that opt-out".
>>534384298Thats for sure. I think we have a couple of years window with peace now before things really start to happen.Could be right. I dont know either. Still its the only way anything will change over here. Not sure if liberals will wake up but I do think it will become a shift in politics.True. Well I do think that people over here needs to wake up sooner than later. Just have to wait and see if they do so or if they stay asleep.
>>534378827>US Navy securing the global maritimeStill saying that after the US navy set up a blockade on the most important chokepoint to energy transportation. The British and French navies, perhaps some Italian in the med, would be enough to btfo low level pirates and third world ships. You don't need 10 aircraft carrier groups to keep Somali or Indonesian thieves at bay, in fact it isn't adapted for that purpose. Defending Taiwan from a large PRC amphibious operation is the only selling point of US navy grift and that only concerns Europe indirectly.
>>534378827>pretending to be morally superiorOh no, we're not pretending.>>534385016>Defending Taiwan from a large PRC amphibious operation is the only selling point of US navy grift and that only concerns Europe indirectly.I don't think Trump would defend Taiwan. He lacks the intelligence to do that. If Taiwan was invaded I think it would be a very dark day, and it would certainly be significantly bad for the tech industry, but there are other parts of the world also making computer chips, so I guess the rest of the world would adjust.
>>534377957>fund your own military instead of relying on american subsidiesI don't know about Germany but we have built one of the best armies in Europe for just 2% of our GDP. This is largely due to being smart with purchases and relying on a compulsory military service giving us the needed 1 million troops in reserves. I don't know why miggers believe that without US support we would no longer have affordable healthcare and daycare, free university and paid vacation. To put things into perspective, the US army size is about the same 1 million with around half being active duty. Their only division specializing in arctic warfare is only 12,000 strong and was established in 2022. The Louisiana golem niggers such as Marines and Army Rangers have lost to Finnish conscripts annually when they come here to learn from us. If other European nations did the same as we have been doing for decades, Europe wouldn't need any US help. I believe this is what miggers want no?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_equipment_of_the_Finnish_ArmyThese type of migger posts are way too common to be organic btw. Most of them must come from JIDF.
>>534385016>Still saying that after the US navy set up a blockade on the most important chokepoint to energy transportation.that should tell you something. the strategy is changing and youre not on friend terms anymore.>pirates and third world shipsyoure still thinking its going to be all peaches like it is now. its going to be total chaos. global trade will be dead. complete power vacuum. all those "euro friendship teams" are only concerned with their own self interest not protecting "allies", thats gonna be over. the only reason you could flex as a union is because USA did all the heavy lifting strength wise. ships are not even a problem, drones, mines, whatever the fuck. extortion. governments charging fees just like iran is doing now, but at every strait and choke point. lol. meanwhile western hemisphere is going to be completely resource self sufficient reindustrializing and watching you guys eat eachother alive for decades.
>>534384447Fair? I think far more than just boomers have to die off before a majority of europeans think giving GB extra amenities(again) is fair. You really did not do yourself any favours on your PR, although that probably is the general trend for everyone.>>534384690Probably russia. Iran is just too irrelevant for us. Pistachios and gas.. Meanwhile we're already building the biggest green ammonium plant on this planet. Just imagine germany joining netherlands ranks of feeding the world via technobullshit.Anyway it was fun, but gotta catch some sleep. Have a good one!
Hurr enjoy the meat grinderLiterally the moment are influence stops in Europe they can negotiate peace with Russia we're the only ones pushing for continued WarYou need to stop watching the soap opera of American politics and thinking the Pentagon in military corporations are not running things behind the scenes
>>534381927>But Europe together can. People across Europe have recognised the value of a united Europe,Lmao. Most western Europeans wouldn't even fight to defend their own country, nonetheless the rest of the EU
>>534385762>negotiate peace with Russialmao ah yes, the fully mobilized total war economy of russia is just gonna politely shake hands and walk away. "negotiating peace" just means you instantly become their vassal state because you have absolutely zero hard power or industrial base left to stop them. >You need to stop watching the soap opera of American politics pure projection.>thinking the Pentagon in military corporations are not running things behind the scenesno shit retard. who do you think wrote the 2026 NDS PDF? the military industrial complex is exactly who is pushing for fortress north america. trump is meaningless. the strategy is gonna continue even if democrats get in next term. they literally benefit the most from pulling out. reindustrializing the homeland. the pentagon lets eurasia turn into a chaotic FFA meatgrinder, and the MIC prints trillions turning our hemisphere into an untouchable fortress while selling scraps to whoever is left standing over there. catch up.https://www.nytimes.com/2026/04/16/business/pentagon-ford-general-motors-defense-production.html
>>534385762>Literally the moment are influence stops in Europe they can negotiate peace with Russia we're the only ones pushing for continued WarThis is completely untrue. The USA has been looking for the exits in the Ukraine war and Europe seems to want to keep it going.
>>534386030>would you fight for your country if your country was involved in a warFuck off. They specifically jewed the question to give these results because people take it as would you fight overseas e.g. Vietnam, Iraq etc. so it's not, would you defend your country if it was invaded by X.
>>534386476So you'd go and fight in a war against Russia then Finncuck?
>>534386424How long would you keep fighting if Russia or China invaded the US? Don't be a bitch running your mouth from a safe distance.
his kike overlords gave him a good punch, so he had to put those glasses on, btw
>>534386578If they come over our border uninvited, yes.Patriotism isn't about a dozen American flags and fireworks on 4th of July. It's about defending your country, like the French did in the American revolutionary war, because you trannies didn't have a capable navy. Your country wouldn't even exist without the French so lower your tone, peasant.
>>534386628>How long would you keep fighting if Russia or China invaded the US? Don't be a bitch running your mouth from a safe distance.Russia hasn't invaded Finland.
>>534383044> That videoIf Germany was an indipendent country, they would be on Mars by now
>>534386030they know they are fighting for globohomo and not their land
>>534377752JVPITER
>>534377752>you're our bitch!They are right tho
Don't let the door hit ya where the Lawd split ya troonfagts
