>>534426701
>As someone who likes scholarship and research, I looked into whether or not Jesus had any historical basis, and almost every single “scholar” or piece of “evidence” was written by a Christian boomer doing things like:
>flag
In short: American education - the thread.

>>534426811
>brainless seethepost
Now that you’ve been an emotional woman try using logic and reasoning instead.

>>534426701
I cant. I have completed history univrsity degree and to claim that historiographically (science of doing history) evidences of jesus live up to historic critique of sourcres (who wrote it. When. Who copied it. When. Do we have matchin sources. Was there bias. Is it fragment or whole Etc) would not be academically sound.

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>>534426701
on deism

>>534426811
Ad hominem though. If a moron tells you water is wet and you disprove him because he is a moron guess what. You are moron then because water is indeed wet.

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>>534426701
on jesus

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>>534426701
>covered in blood samples showing signs of someone who suffered extreme torture and blood loss
>feet covered in Jerusalem limestone
>embedded pollen from area of Levant
>linen samples matching ones found at Siege of Masada ~60 AD
>2 micrometer thick 3 dimensional imprint on topmost surface layers of linen, that when topographized literally just look like a photograph, far beyond the capabilities of any Renaissance, much less Antiquity, artist to recreate
>entire history of Shroud lines up with history of Image of Edessa from the classical east, right down to obscure, tiny details such as specific patterns of burn holes appearing in other Orthodox renditions in the 11th, 9th, earlier centuries. refuting the initial dating to medieval times
>early fragments of apocryphal writings quoted by Church Fathers as far back as 200 AD reference Jesus's burial shroud actually being given and moved around by the Church before being hidden and kept safe, establishing historical awareness/precedent of the artifact
>the earliest Orthodox icons of Jesus line up exactly with the facial features of the Shroud; the Orthodox icon still used today of Jesus's face lines up exactly with when the original image of Edessa was taken out of its hiding spot and made public again in 554
>wound up being publicly known in France a century and a half after a Crusader reported seeing the shroud of Jesus in Constantinople before it disappeared in the sacking of 1204
>only recreated a few years ago, in a laser lab where an incredibly intense, short burst of laser/radiation copied the already known information from the shroud to copy it
>God literally took a photograph in 1st century AD so His Church would have His face for the icons

>>534426932
There is nothing seething or illogicla about my post.

>>534427042
>fallacy fallacy

You guys aren't worth shit really. Too much internet, not enough actual education. We have been over the subjects thhousands of times now, Jesus existed, deal with it or not. At this point, the question just shows Jewish inability to admit defeat or inability to look for sources.

Now continue the butthurt. Low IQs are like that I guess.

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We have to believe in something higher than us, so why not a man who conquered death? Why not pursue this path towards Godhood and excel in everything knowledge has to offer for the sake of betterment?
If not for ourselves, then for those who will come after us.

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>>534426811
Jesus is clearly stated as being adopted into the Judahites by first informing the lesser relative virgin Mary, whom then relayed the message of the "angel" to her senior Essene relative couple Elizabeth/Zechariah. Upon hearing her message, that is when they agreed upon naming their baby in the womb John/Johannes - because Zechariah understood that the message of a baby named "Yeshu Messiah" corresponded with what he had read in the works of Juba II about Gaia-Zeus of the Massylii, which talked about how he was the physician of Oannes (Johannes).
So, by hearing the name "Yeshu Messiah" being promised in adoption to Virgin Mary of his house (meaning before she had consummated her marriage with Joseph), Zechariah understood the proposal of friendship sent by Juba II, and named his own son "Johannes" in response, in order to accept the plea of Gaia-Zeus becoming the physician assistant priest of Oannes.
Wether you're able to objectively look into the origin of this word or not decides wether you end up on the cultic Edessa-larp king Izas pushed by retarded templars, or wether you end up on the real Jesus who specifically warned his followers of the obvious future larp of the Edessan dynasty.
Juba II was afterall married to Glaphyra for a little while, before Herod Archelaus forced her to divorce Juba II again so that she and her children could be his puppet Hasmonean heirs.
tldr;
Juba II anointed John the Baptist as legal heir of the Hasmoneans, which pissed off the Herods, Pharisees and Parthians.

>>534427267
We can liken the question over the historicity of Jesus to the Socrates problem.

Was there in fact, a person called Socrates?

Yes. It seems that under scrutiny, there are surviving sources which indicate that real living people contemporary to Socrates believed he existed.

Is that the Socrates that we talk about when we reference him?

No. Of course not. That is a literary character, a fictitious person built through the lens of what other people wrote about him. People wrote figuratively about him, put words in his mouth, or what they imagined he would say if given the opportunity.

Then, we get millennia of gestation on the literary character of Socrates. His importance is overstated, or understated, the factual events dramatized, then ruminated on in our literature, then adapted to new audiences. The character continues to be a work of collaborative fiction, where the most alluring part is the "based on a true story" -- which of course, we know is not about allegiance to the actual truth, but a marketing mechanism to make the narrative more enticing.

>>534427267


Did Jesus exist? Probably.

But we know, from the fantastical cult of personality which developed around him, that the narratives contemporary to Jesus' life were created by cultists, not unlike any of our charismatic cult personalities of today. When they say he was certainly dead, and then definitely overcame death through supernatural powers, is it more likely something else happened entirely?

Perhaps he made a surprising and unlikely recovery from a coma, and crawled off somewhere else? Perhaps one of the interested parties removed his body from where it had been stored, for various reasons from the superstitious to the political?

What would his band of hillbilly, religious fundamentalist fertile crescent "true believers" say about such an event?

They would say, of course, the incarnation of our God has beaten Death itself! The importance and validity of our movement is proven!

Clearly, we cannot take the assertions of poorly educated, deeply involved lifetime cultists from antiquity at face value, nor their opposition, who are similarly too close to the issue.

Jesus existed, but the Jesus we speak today of is a literary figure unrelated to the historical Jesus.

>>534426701
Historical accuracy is completely irrelevant, same as in most religions. Jesus could be completely made up 500 years ago and it would change absolutely nothing. It's a symbol, an ideal, not ancestor worship.
> giving jews money and jobbing for them
False. I haven't researched it, but I'm willing to bet the great majority of the 109 were christian countries.

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>>534426701
Cope and seethe. He is the Creator of Earth 6k years ago.

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>>534426701
Jesus was a real person but the Christian mythology around him is an amalgam of several different mystic figures/beliefs.

>>534426701
Peace is the messiah. No one can judge
because we aren't Lord(master) of Wisdom.
Wisdom is a lesson between right and wrong.
God is the Almighty God who separated
light from dark in genesis and this created
body, or contrast.
That is equal and opposite exchange in
both science and wisdom as all is spirit.

Spirit is the vehicle that pilots intelligence
which is a deduction of right/wrong.
We are the accumulation of the deductions
we make in the image of God that is
as a product of knowledge over the
7 deadly sins or the opposite.

God never intended there to be a king
over anyone because it is is a lack of
faith in God to lead and to protect.
Contention is what drives the soul to
context.
That's what the Lord of Wisdom does
he leads the souls of men.
Our souls are derived of a lesson in
Wisdom while heading toward entropy
in the material context as a result of
our corruption in that no one knows the answers
to stave off God's hand in the effects of
time, that is to produce. Because we
cant create from a more fundamental
level than God we are subject to stagnation.
That is both that we are not master of life
and death to pull subject matter away from
the Lord's paradigm of the division of light
and dark and that we cant produce energy.

Because the people were afraid of other
kingdoms they wanted a king over them
so God selected Saul and later David.

The Hebrew people brought salvation
to the rest of the world in that God spoke
to these people to preach the good word
to the world. This was the place of origin
anyway.
When Jesus said we know what we worship
because salvation is from the Hebrews
this is what he meant.
He meant that he specifically understands
God pretty well in the works of salvation.
And they were humble enough to receive the
gospel but they were corrupt still being men
the same as anyone.
Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
And this is why Jesus was killed and why
he is king.
This is the new testament God has made in
judgment for men. To bow their heads before
this sign of mercy just as God instructed Moses
to set up a bronze serpent up on a cross because
it was the thing that vexed them for being
a "stiff necked" people. That is arrogant.
There is a natural philosophy to uncover.

Since we cant judge perfectly because
we aren't master we have to rely on peace
which is perfect faith in God.
God made man needing bread and wisdom.
Energy cant be created or destroyed so
an isolated system moves toward entropy.
And we aren't master of wisdom to lead
our souls.
Peace is perfect faith in God.
It is the messiah that saves us from
our hypocrisy.
Jesus paid the price of all sin being the
lamb of peace such that we have faith
in this sacrifice that God had sent his
Son to pay our price wielding the message
of peace as the good shepherd.
God counts this as faith enough that while
we err, and while some of us claim the Lord
is God, we are left to our own sins if we dont
have faith that we can be cleansed having
Jesus house our responsibility just as a king
is judged for the most part in place of his
sheep.
It is a thorough humbling before truth.

The jews religion is homosexuality.
Thats what satanism is.
To merge the opposites and try to
turn masturbation into procreation.
Thats what the star of remphan dictates.

Their father is the devil. (John 8)

Because we cant produce from the void.
We are victim to death in hell.
There is no water in hell, no plants, no food.
The afterlife is a physical resurrection upon
a new earth or stagnation of the spirit in
hell if youre left to die there.
The book of Ezekiel 18:22

Saturnus devours his children.
Saturn's hierarchy belies any ability
to believe the world should be stolen
in malice.
That is - the law of unmitigated appetite -
to be consumed because

Man needs more than bread(body).
That is, he needs wisdom(mind).
Like the ai is reliant on us for mind and body.
God made us requiring food, we cant
live on our own.
Energy cant be created or destroyed
it can only change shape.
And an isolated system will evolve toward
a state of greater disorder.

God gave us a lesson in wisdom when
we ate from the tree of knowledge.
Because we are not master of life and death
and dont already know the answers, we age.
We are victim to death.
Because we cant preserve ourselves he
gave us a lesson in wisdom - to cling a
male to a female in purity and raise a child.
The mother and father have to die like
humans and the child can go on to
deal with their own lessons in wisdom.
It's faith.
Conversely, masturbation is the
philosophers stone.
It is the satanic pursuit to merge the
opposites and try to maintain fleshly
existence here to fight it out in the
hierarchy of Saturnus.
Its a useless pursuit because we cant
produce we will inevitably decay and
stagnate.
So we are reliant on God and have to abide
by the ten commandments.
Souls are freed as a result of material loss.
All is spirit.

That is a conceptual basis in judgment
because all is an assessment of pride
and humility, that is to effect truth out of
a lesson in time. To uncover the answer.
That's form to set an image to a lesson
in time.
All science and wisdom are discovery. The most
astute scientists find alchemy because all
is wrapped in conceptual make up. Before
the answer was searched for there was a reason.
That reason ultimately is a lack of faith, or fun as Ecclessiastes lands on.
Maybe necessity if it arises.
The greater mystery remains.
However there is a natural philosophy to
uncover.
Thats the reason for science.
Trusting your own tool use would be pride.
Get it? The search for answers in both
philosophy and science deal with a
groundwork in logic.
Philosophy sits closer to the hand that feeds.
It is the more antecedent quality.
Addressing "why".
Because there is a difference between right
and wrong, there is truth -- a destination.
That belies figuring out how it works.
It's the Glory of God to conceal a matter and
the honor of kings to search the matter out.

The proof is really obvious.
It is that kings do figure it out, they're made
kings because they figure it out.
Thats shepherding and the case for truth.
To know.


Sensory information is given categorization
as a result of a condition in intelligence
to understand wisdom.
To preserve life, and answer with love.
Not masturbation.
Judgment is the deduction of character.

Truth is a direction cognizance manifests
toward.
All science and wisdom culminate upon truth.
The seven sins are as nuanced as pride
can be at the fundamental level.
There is equal and opposite exchange.
Love is the answer to wisdom.

>>534426701
jews hate him so much I can't help but think that ancient grudge is proof he existed. The same way they still seethe and cry about rome.

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Science, like ai video generation, Google
search monopoly the illuminati
are the goyim to these that call themselves
jews.
Classism is to make some claims and start
lying.
They are the henchmen falling for this scam
and doing the work.
As per the law of this concept they follow
suit.

There are sheep and there are two shepherds.
One of truth, the other of lies.

There is no democracy and no government survived
the climb to the place we are in now.
Because the title Christ is to save as a king
and is a natural philosophy.
And because naturally when you compare
yourselves to others you become placid
and dumb.


When you compare yourself to the
highest concepts in either category
pertained to light and dark you have progress
only ending at The Almighty Lord's discretion.
And pride is tool use. It's a tool God uses
to shape the righteous. (ex. Assyrians)

Thoughts condense in purity around
core tenets of human being those are the
seven sins and the opposite.

The star of remphan is lying.
It's only natural the star will now attempt to
gorge itself on clay.
That is pride and the devil tricking his
children into the philosopher's stone.
Which is the attempt to turn masturbation
into procreation to not rely on faith and
instead on pride but we cant produce at
the most fundamental level.

Hitler created modern "Israel" at least
purposed its creation in the 1933 haavara
agreement.

And in Washington dc the place of parliament
in america, written into the architecture
of the city streets is the star of remphan
above an owl at Capitol hill standing
on top of a pyramid with an upside
down cross inside of the pyramid.
That is another country's signature
written in the streets here -- a country
that didnt exist of the modern day prior to 1948.
And the streets of Washington were designed
in the 1700s.

This place that sits vehemently as the lapdog
for this new Israel.

Debt fuels Saturn's hierarchy.
Fiat is what has entangled all countries within
the contract of violence. That is because they
dont have the money to pay for what they owe.
It was that jews were able to buy something
with credit and then become powerful enough
to defend it and force other countries
to follow suit or be consumed.