I want to see what kind of people reside here, and whether or not you can be trusted. There is one objective answer here, "if" you care about humanity and it's the blue button. The reasoning is simple, The people pressing the red button are advocating for the regression of the world. The reasoning that everyone is going to press the "survival button" is inane. You have to account for children, disabled peoples, mentally ill, suicidal people(yes!), old people, people who's brain chemistry leans diffrent based on a mood. When the red group wins, you threaten collective humanity, and human advancement. Think about the logistics. emergency services, police forces, criminals(who are likely to choose their own skin), pets or farms that need to be fed and managed. military forces, people in the line of work that keeps your society running, waste management, engineers, repairmen, plumbers, nursers, doctors.Think about the actual maintanance, power plants, roads, trains, air ports. I don't think i have to go on. But also think about family, or the cute girl you like.Sure you save your skin, but you doomed humanity by choosing red.
>>534435783If you need to resort to mental gymnastics, what-ifs, psychological manipulation, and shaming to convince people to do something then that thing is probably not in their best interest. The red button is simply the logical choice: press button and live. If blue niggers kill themselves because they wanted to virtue signal about how heckin altruistic they are that's on them.
>>534435783Blue because I want to die.
>>534435783>A bunch of garbage for a nigger hypothetical about being le good personYou're a piece of shit in real life and any of your yapping online doesn't change itFuck off nigger
>>534436049Only white people will vote blue, not all of course. But all niggers and jeets will remain. Enjoy
>>534435783Your "children and retarded people" argument backfires when you realize just as many will press red as blue. These people count on others to be alive and supporting them. If I die on a quixotic mission to save the blue pressing dummies, who will take care of the other dummies that pressed red? The true moral choice is red.
>>534436123The question was already solved among chinese netizen's seems, the west is a individualist hellscape>>534436189Enjoy the anarchist reality.
>>534436150The only white people that would press blue are leftwing virtue signalers and white guilt retards. Good riddance.
>>534436260Retarded people and children with dead caretakers isn't anarchy??
>>534435783This is really simple.Majority of the World is obviously going to vote red, so vote red, let the libtards, and the useless white, Latinx taco niggers, and Pajeets in the Western World vote blue so they die. With their death you won't have anyone standing in your way, to absolutely obliterate the hordes of Pakis, Jeets, Jews, and negros.>The people pressing the red button are advocating for the regression of the world.Regress, and then progress; 99% of the third Worlders depend on white welfare, through libtards and globohomo, without them, they will start dying out, even naturally.
>>534435783If everyone pressed the red button then nobody would die. Blue button pressers are simply suicidal and cannot be saved.
>>534435783This isn't politics or news. Keep this gay bait shit on Facebook and titktok you retard
>>534436463Blue button pressers probably do things like dye their hair, play the lottery, drink and drive, hard drugs, drink excessively, ride motorcycles, and are prone to things like overdose and underage, unprotected sex.
>>534436353You only want to press red, because it would mean less browns and blacks, the funny thing is, the bandit mentality will ensure you end up with more of them.>>534436455Chinese versions of the poll, was majority blue, now take that populace into the equation. I can't say anything for india. Jeets would sell themselves for a better life.>>534436463Assuming this button appears for a brief moment, how do you ensure, everyone presses it.>>534436505By all means, It involves politics because it involves mass populations. Look at everyone sperging out.
>>534436632>Blue button pressers probably do things likeTypical red button presser brainrot incapable of comprehending more than what's in front of their nose.
>>534435783Neither, I ain't touching a niggers hand.
>>534436646>You only want to press red, because it would mean less browns and blacks, the funny thing is, the bandit mentality will ensure you end up with more of themTHIS.
>>534436049>>534436150the amount of white saviour mental gymnastics ive heard has been insane. basicaly admitting that a large portion of humanity is far too stupid to understand the question so you should throw your life into the blender in order to help save them, and if they vote red as minorities they are actually doing good. its only white people voting red that these people have a problem with
>>534436646>Chinese versions of the poll, was majority blueSure, on the internet, now base it off of people's everyday actions, and let them vote in private, so no social pressure is applied, then you will get the real answers
>>534435783You're a retard. Here's why.One time experiment and you can rejoice that blue wins, you can hold hands and sing kumbaya for your virtue signal. You're such a moral and good person. Makes me want to vomit. Now change this experiment to a daily routine. You have to press this button every single day, forever. No escaping it. What's the outlook now, faggot? It's a statistical impossibility that eventually red doesn't win once. And once that happens, once sufficient tranny niggerfaggots such as yourself swap to red, blue is never going to win again. It's going to be the default suicide button and nothing more. Red is the only button I'd ever press. Enjoy dying, dumbfuck.
>>534435783What a dumb way of framing it. You're not "saving" anybody by pressing blue. It's a decision not to kill. It's the default position.Red is the "kill anyone who doesn't press this button" button. It's conspiracy to commit genocide.
>>534435783>I want to see what kind of people reside hereI want to see you face down with a hatchet buried 3 inches deep in your skull. Fuck off with this reddit tier red v. blue social media faggot trash, and fuck everyone that replied to this thread without dropping herbs in every field. Fucking niggers, kill yourselves.
>>534436894>You have to press this button every single day, forever.You have to wake up every day or you die.You have to eat every day or you die.You have to go to sleep every day or you die.
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>>534436874Eh, most of the spoken answers has been red. It's proof you can't trust anyone with your life, or rather you can't entrust your life to others. (which some of you will use as an argument to choose red). Just remember it wasn't darwinistic thought that got us here, but collectivism, a great collective ensures, great individuals. Not on the internet it seems.>>534436894What are you going to do when half the blue pressers disapear, and there's 50 fires in your city. Have fun shitting in the woods, say goodbye to to advanced society for atleast another century. IT'S NOT ABOUT MORALITY, BUT OF ADVANCEMENT AND PRESERVATION. YOU LOSE CULTURE AND HISTORY AND TECHNOLOGY! I find it hilarious that a lot of people pressing red are christian. In the beauty of the lilies Christ was born across the sea, With a glory in His bosom that transfigures you and me.As He died to make men holy, let us die to make men free, While God is marching on.
>>534437283>I find it hilarious that a lot of people pressing red are christian.Obviously they are not.
>>534437283>Just remember it wasn't darwinistic thought that got us here, but collectivism, a great collective ensures, great individuals. Not on the internet it seems.If the poll was limited to a certain populace, I'd vote blue, but the question involves people with sub 80 IQ, and Indians, and they have the numerical leverage
OP is right, but its not something people sub-130 IQ can even grasp.Asking normies to have this level of empathy and understanding of a big picture is like expecting a car to fly like a plane. It just doesnt have the parts to operate that way.Normies see this as a 'how do i pick the right choice and survive' type question, while trying to apply their competitive psychology to the moral/logical explanation. The question is which person are you?>survive but punish anyone who act different than me>everyone survives without needing to sacrifice others for moral support that they made the right choice(being scared/insecure is a big big no no for the normie)IF all red red pushers died, the world would do better. THe world can exist without them.If all blue pushers died, the world collapses as its impossible for red pushers to do enough for others without being angry about it. BLue pushers want red pushers to grow up. Red pushers dont care if others die as long as they get thiers. Kindness is only a thing they expect from others, or something deserve payment for so its 'worth it'.Red is fundamentally the base low-iq experience. Insecure, feeling attacked and the need to feel better than others by aggression, selfish like they are a starved animal afraid they will never eat again if they dont go savage, stupid and childlike in the range of stuck at 13-17 year old mentality. Their hate is always justified, they think they are always the good guys or the most intelligent(which always coincidentally is the option that involves least amount of effort)
>>534437283>but what if boo boo baa baaNot interested in your moralfaggotry. I'll enjoy seeing you get filtered out. The narrative is that there's too many people anyway. This would be an excellent way to cleanse the population of those who value some other abstract bullshit more than themselves for performative reasons. I'd like to see you press the blue button under duress when threatened at gunpoint. You'd press red, bitch boy. But I digress. I have nothing to prove. I press red every single fucking time. I sit on the button. In fact, I sleep on it. I superglue it so it stays permanently pressed. Bye.
>>534435783what if i told you the buttons arent connected to anything and the jews will always win unless you change that
>>534436150Since we're all using a computer here, can you give me the list of your ethically-sourced computer parts and devices? If not, you press red everyday just like everyone else, and worse, the people being exploited to provide your lifestyle didn't even get a simple button press choice to not be on the short end of the stick.
>>534437563>I'll enjoy seeing you get filtered outThis is the essence isn't it.Red button pushers just want a simple kill people button and it gets delivered to them.It is what it is.
>>534436189They'll also freak the fuck out at the possibility of death and press red. I don't even think blue pushers are stupid, because I don't want to discourage kindness and selflessness, but they're very unrealistic (and that's not including all of the game theory shit in the choices).
>>534436646>humanity has the choice to jump off of the world’s tallest building, or walk away from the ledge.>if more than 50% of humanity jumps, a huge cushion inflates and saves the jumpers>if more than 50% of people walk away from the ledge, the cushion will not deploy, and everyone who jumped will hit the pavement and die The basic summary of the question, reframed.Ensuring the Blueggers who have chosen their fate is not anyone’s cross to bear, but their own. The ramifications of their decision is theirs alone to answer for. Blood-guilt does not exist if someone takes their own lives into their hands and decides to throw it away. They saw the buttons, and what the implications were, and decided to chance it regardless. If they chose poorly, that was an outcome they agreed to when they chose the blue button. Suicidal empathy is not a virtue, nigger.
>>534437563kek!>>534437567Well, nothing I can do individually...about those people. Hell, your whole country consumes epstein brainrot. Looks the literal pedofiles in the eyes and praises them. I'm probably already on a list, I don't need a handler. >>534437609Chinese sweatshop. How about yours.
You know what? I can’t stand this anymore 4chan: now is the time for the blue button pushers to rise up and overcome the unruly Red button pushing masses. We need to destroy these red button pushers, all they do is think of themselves and no one else. This does not progress society in any way shape or form. It’s time to reform society in our image. KILL EVERY SINGLE FUCKING PERSON THAT DOES NOT PRESS BLUEEEEEE
>>53443578350% of people are not selfless enough to pick blue, if you pick blue you are committing suicide. The hypothetical would be better if it had to be something like 10%
>>534437767>If they chose poorlyOnly one choice is poor.
>>534437877You are a red button presser at heart, aren't you?
>>534437767this is the type of low-IQ response I expect.>as long as im safe, who cares. Why should I put in effort for others when I can just take mine? Well of course I like when others are kind, but thats their stupid choice lolAgain. You dont jump because you believe the non-jumpers will betray you and let you die. If you had the simple choice of 'everyone lives or some dies' you choose purely on 'whats simplest for me and gives me the least anixety'I actually pity people like you so much. I understand why you are all so self loathing and angry.
>>534437829Me? Mine come from mining and extraction for the materials to be refined and used in the manufacturing of those parts that have absolutely all rainbow and sunshine for its workers. I'm a good person.
>>534438032Normies will see this as a completely different question than the original because they dont have the compute power to understand otherwise
>>534438014None of us have good ethics really. Only the celibate and the sworn recluses come close.
>>534438032The only reason why the red button is evil, and it is, is because it’s a binary choice that was presented to everyone. Assuming everyone COULD vote there would be a finite number of people voting blue, so therefore it is altruistic to press blue if you think it’s going to be even remotely close, which it is
>>534436874Just make sure everyone understands that babies press at random and theirs might have pressed blue.
>>534437829>Well, nothing I can do individually...Are you sure? You've spent an entire thread trying to convince us otherwise>about those people. Hell, your whole country consumes epstein brainrotAnd yet you want to save such people by pressing a blue button.
>>534435783You know, there is a real world example of this. Consider the following:You are on an airplane full of passengers. Something happens to the plane mid flight that all the oxygen masks drop and dangle in front of the passengers. What do you do?Do you put on the oxygen mask on first? (Red button; seeks for your own survival first)Or do you help all the other passengers first and ensure that their masks are on? (Blue button; risking your own life for the sake of others)Now, if you have been on a commercial airplane, they tell you to do the first one, thus press the red button.
>>534438236>the eternal babies objectionThis single point confuses, confounds, and enrages the redpusher
>see im doing the evil thing>NO IM NOT ACTUALLY THE EVIL PEOPLE YOU SEE ITS DIFFERENT>im ACTUALLY a good person, I just got to choose this evil option because of evil people.>Evil choosers should all die?? erm... i dont like that as im an evil button pusher.... I rather evil exists and I dont have to think hard rather than it not exist.>No its better to say good option choosers should just die as i dont associate with them in any way except thinking im somehow better than them even though im choosing worst options. You wouldnt get it, im me and its something only i understand.
There have been multiple polls on this and blue won every single time.Reds lost their minds because you lose and are throwing a week long tantrum trying to convince yourselves that you are smart.Humans are not complicated. You lost. Move on.
>>534438236>Michael Jordan
>>534436894If blur failing to win culled half the babies, sthe media would have non-stop propaganda campaigns about it, every bit of public education would be infused with demonization of red buttons, everyone who voted red in a round red failed to win would be publicly tortured to death, and so on.
>>534436049>what if you could rape and kill a baby with no consequences at all?>/pol/: why wouldnt i do it if there was no consequence? i would be a fool not to, there literally is no fallout at all hello???>if you have to make up mental gymanstics as to why i shouldnt, you already failed at your argument. i am going to do it if i was given the chance, logic dictates that i must.
>>534437430This anon gets it. The choice is between the person who understands that society is bigger than himself and the atomised individual who thinks only of himself. The red button is liberalism.
>>534437071Redfags cannot read or reason.
>>534436049fpbp. the thread is over.
>>534438368It goes beyond that. >DO you believe in second chances? If you do blue, if you choose red you only believe yourself deserves them.>Do you believe that people can change? If you press red, you think only YOU can change.>Do you think that people make mistakes duriing periods of grief/sickness/etc? OR are your mistakes the only ones who should be forgetten, ignored or kept secret?This isnt a 'are you good and want people to live test' as normies see it. Its a 'are you a hypocrite/leech"' question. Most fail, without realizing.
>>534435783>The reasoning that everyone is going to press the "survival button" is inane you have to account for children, disabled peoples, mentally ill, suicidal people(yes!), old people, people who's brain chemistry leans diffrent based on a mood.Shut the fuck up you waste of ejaculate. You niggers ruined South Africa. You can't even build shacks. Unless you're one of those pathetic British offshoots of niggerskeet suckers is crammed full of.Kill yourself, faggot.>*slams down red button*
>>534438529That is a really weird projection.
>>534436049fpbp
>>534438236Your are emotionally invested in a hypothetical and now even include babys. When faced with this choice alone you will choose red, the moment somebody or anyone else watches you choose blue.That is all you are.
Blue button pushers on suicide watch
>>534438032Where is the button that says I care abount my babies, my spouse, me, my parents, her parents, more distant relatives, clan, tribe, nation and humamiry in roughly that order starting with blue in the middle and gradient-ing outward to red
>>534438153Which is why I said we all press the red button almost every single day, and in reality, so would many of the people who claim they would press blue in the button game. No one here actually ever considered where everything came from in their purchasing decisions, and probably didn't even care, even if not purchasing something would be an inconvenience, instead of possible death. One simply having a job means someone else doesn't, and they may or may not actually need it more, or they REALLY need it more; how many people would give up their income and every security their job provides just on the unknown chance it would benefit that other person who's a stranger? Everyone in some large or small manner presses red everyday.
>>534435783>Hide thread
>>534435783All the blue pushers dying would help humanity. Right now as it is, humanity is finished, we are being overrun with subhumans who will end civilization. It is the blue pushers who are letting them in. Once all the blue pushers are gone, then we can work on expelling the invasion without being stopped by those with suicidal empathy.
>>534436049Only post that matters.
>>534437430Assuming nobody gets consulted before the vote, you need to be realistic about the most likely outcome: red wins. It's not high IQ to expect low IQ people to suddenly be high IQ. If red is most likely to win, it's not smart to vote blue just because you understand why it's safer (if you could consult everyone on earth beforehand which you can't). This hypothetical needs to specify if people get to have a meeting before the vote
>>534438620I press blue every time because I have a baby. You are an incel or a faggot if you dont get it.
>>534438769Dont worry anon, this post wasnt meant for you. You are wrong, but dont worry about it. Adults will continue to take care of you, dont poopy your diapey.
>>534438529>nobody should risk dying without any form of incentive>OH SO I GUESS YOU'D RAPE A BABY THEN IF YOU COULD GET AWAY WITH ITbottom text
self-preservation > allsee >>534438588Blue button pressers are naive faggots, who do not understand, how the rest of the World works, outside of their own neighborhood.The question assumes, that you vote in a vacuum, outside of social pressure, with no ability to discuss with other people; you have complete privacy. There is a big difference in how the average person would vote with or without social pressure.
>>534436150The whites who vote blue are dead weight anyway, we would be better off without them. Even if 95% of whites died, we would still come out ahead. Since the remaining 5% could rebuild and push back the subhuman hoards without the other 95% stopping us.
>>534438358They do that so that adults dont pass out before being able to help children, retard. The blue button is 'help children' The key part is "help children'.
>>534435783Red button it is
>>534438778You need to go with the outcome most likely to end in your own survival if you have a baby: red. You'd be selfish not to.
>>534438368Redfags are too misanthropic to care, or too retarded to reason on the spot and come up with 1001 rewordings of the problem that exclude children, or make safety the default etc.
>blue cucks crying this much to get the red chads to feel bad about their choice
>>534435783whatever button kills (You) is the one I'm pressing
>>534438820>no counter argument Shook.Red is literally the moral high ground.
>>534439000Checked
>>534438032replace "other people" with "nebulous blue pressers," and then yeah, sureI push red btw
>>534438824>thinks others peoples lives to have no value(anon does think saving lives is valuable unless its theirs)>Thinks their life is so special and valuable - so thats why others must not have any value>'but im like so smart, the world is better if more were like me'bottom text
Genuine question? Why can't the average person and by which intellectuals are included-can't understand systems thinking. It would solve so many problems. If people understood that actions have fucking consequences. Imagine explaining that to a modern politician. They probably wouldn't understand. It's hopeless.>>534438721This is a dog-eat-dog mentality. This is why corruption is rampant, why modern society is soft on crime. Individualism for the sake of a better life is a sunk cost game, that only benefits you. You are no diffrent then a street dog, or a wild animal.>>534438828No. You're right but the lack of purple think is distressing. Binary thinking gets you into nasty tunnel where you have to eat the shit of the fucker crawling infront of you. **Everywhere i ask,(multimedia) it seems the conclusion is the same. Humanity doesn't deserved to be saved from anything, and yet. It was 200000 years of persistance that got us. I guess i'm just an idealist, wishing for a more empathic but rational world. Even though people deserve to be anhilated, I still believe the smallest sparks deserved to be preserved. I assume none of you have ever studied arts/design movements, or are readers of history. It's honestly depressing.The human, what a selfish creature.But a man can dream.
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>>534435783Why don't we all agree to murder the ones forcing us to choose between red and blue?
>>534438872I don't think blue is the dangerous choice. Every parent and grandparent with a baby will press blue. Every liberal. Everyone who doesn't want total collapse from a global 50% casualty rate event. Every poll shows a blue win.Red is the dangerous choice; best case you survive into an apocalyptic shitstorm due to a large proportion of people dying at once and die horribly, or worst case blues punish you afterward and you die horribly.
>>534439035>I cant read therefore there is no text>talking to yourself on a basketweaving forumYou only posted this because you know it isnt true, super insecure low-iq manipulation tactics bro. Seriously, you were proven wrong in the post. Why repeat myself if you ignored it the first time. Here have a supplement reading assignment little buddy>>534438409And everything else is in the post you dont have the reading comprehension for. You are basically asking 'what color is the sky' after reading 'the sky is blue'. That doesnt mean I have no counter argument, you self-reassuring moron. It means you are stupid! Have you bveen told this enough in your life yet?
>>534439185as I have said before, I'd vote blue, if the polling size would be limited to a certain size of populace, but inherently, considering the fact, that the entire World gets to vote, the chance of >50% blue is so miniscule, that it becomes a dumb decision.I am not even considering the fact here, that the World population is severely undercounted as it is, ie. the Indian population alone is at least 25% larger, than reported--and based on their behaviour, I do not trust them at all, to press the blue button
>>534438769It's also kind of stupid, because I've seen variations where children and retards aren't allowed, they're allowed and can be guided, or they're allowed and make the sole choice; there's no consistency in the presentation every time. My point still stands, we all make red button, guaranteed self-preservation at the expense of others (including children and mentally handicapped), decisions every single day; I don't believe many of the blue button pushers to actually press blue if their actual life was on the line, when they're all sitting here on computers that are definitely not 100% ethically-sourced, and they will likely not suffer the inconvenience of forbidding themselves from using it. I'm not saying you're bad people, but that's just realistic.
>>534439198>see this picture of me, its actually you.>im not upset IM NOT IM NOT, YOU ARE YOU AREok child. Sorry you cant have you cake and eat it to. The world is better of without you unless you change and be a better person. Sorry that requires effort :(
>>534439255>you wouldn't wanna just survive the apocalypse, would you anon?>certainly you wanna die with us first
>>534435783>You have to account for children, disabled peoples, mentally ill, suicidal people(yes!), old people, people who's brain chemistry leans diffrent based on a mood.All those we're better off without.That's progress.>But muh children!Yeah and? Only the smart children will live, that's a good thing.
>>534439389Would you not trust them to press blue for the sake of their own children?
>>534439185>This is a dog-eat-dog mentality. This is why corruption is rampant, why modern society is soft on crime. Individualism for the sake of a better life is a sunk cost game, that only benefits you. You are no diffrent then a street dog, or a wild animal.Don't lash out at me, I never said it was right, but it is. Again, you're saying this to me on a device that is housing parts someone suffered for you to have, and you continue using it to call me names for telling the truth about how many people are.
>>534439439I press red if my choice applies to all the children and women under my roof and blue otherwise. It is that shrimple. The experiment is a boring no-brainer in every variation, the real interesting part is observing how nobody reads a new thing if it is sufficiently similar to a thing they saw before.
dear blue pressers:do you still push blue if it takes 66% for total survival?do you still push blue if it takes 90%?at which point do you not push blue and finally choose to save yourself?because I will not push blue even if it takes 1%
>>534435783Total blue button pushers death. Every single bleeding heart, deserves to be violently beaten to death. All of those shit stain subhumans deserve is a painful, brutal death. The time of compassion is dead. The time for violence is now.
>>534435783If you press the red button you are 100% guaranteed not to die.If you press the blue button there is a distinct possibility you will die.If you vote red, you're fine. If you vote blue out of concern for others, you could die.There is no downside to pressing red.
>>534439255>>534439361Assuming no consultation can happen before the vote (no clarification on this yet..), there is no reason to think blue is safer. I would assume my kids will vote red out of fear, as will most people, and, as a caretaker, I need to survive so I too would vote red to continue to provide. Blue vote is risking death on a quixotic mission to save a doomed minority which is objectively selfish. Red is more moral and it's not even close. Now, if there is a consultation phase before the vote, I could see blue being better but only if.
>>534439255You don't know that, it is a hypothetical game. You consider the invisible without asking the actual question. Inside your mind you are masturbating to your choice.
>>534435783You explained the scenario without explaining what the buttons do. It does not seem like you are talking about waking up from the matrix which would be the original context of this dilemma.
>>534435783Pressing red guarantees my survival AND enough people pressing it will eliminate virtue signalersSeems like a win-win to me
>>534439653>At what point do you decide you are selfish and worth others dying so you can just continue with no prize>IM always selfish, no matter whatCool way to brag about being a leech on society bro. Must be cool knowing you add 0 value and if you died, the world would be better off because you choose it to be that way.Are we so to be impressed? Are you doing this because you thinks it makes you seem cool? Please explain, I think itd be cute!
>>534438596>>534438824>didnt deny it
>>534439787That is wrong but if you need to tell yourself that you need to hurt other kids in order to protect yours, you are just a baby bitch hypocrite when someone hurts yoursYour argument and moral choice is>but i need to be the winner, im smart and always choose right. I got to be the winner!You are sheltered and scared of reality, and thats why you think that your logic is even remotely moral. Youd believe whatever made you feel best. Delusional, but at least you dont have to grow up right?
>>534439470I'd believe more in blue, only if discussions are allowed, before the vote itself.
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>>534435783holy fuck you're retarded
>>534439980No? My logic is:>I'm a caretaker, I can't risk my life because it's selfish seeing as how I have people counting on me for their survival Clear moral superiority.
>>534439606>I press red if my choice applies to all the children and women under my roofWhy not blue?>and blue otherwiseIf the population being tested is your local community? The nation? The globe?
>>534439812I am simply considering factors other than the obvious. You're reveling in your lack of thought
>>534440019Wow you are owning me bro. How do you do it? So cool, I bet you are getting laid right now too.
>>534439864it is not "bad" to want to liveit is not bad to reinforce that want into otherswhat is bad is self-sacrifice for the sole benefit of nebulous and arbitrarily defined out groups
>>534440092Except you're worthless as a caretaker if your charges dont live. Your kids may just as easily vote blue out of fear for your safety. Babies vote at random because they cant understand.
>>534436049>>534436049It's a cattle test to see who are sheeps. And you failed.Pressing the red button means submission. It's accepting everything for the sake of survival.Blue button mean having your own idea, principle and accept risking your life if you ain't winning (>50% with you)Few example:>Got a tyrant trying to do a coup (make it a communist if you want)<Press red button to submit. and be guarantee to survive by not being branded a rebel<Press the blue button: You are at risk of being killed if there isn't enough of you to stop it.>You're a kid in middle school and there is a popular tiktok trend< Red button: you join in brainlessly because you want to stay in< Blue button: you reject the retardness: but if you ain't a majority, you get shunned and join the outcast for a while or permanentlyBlue button is about having your own principle, values, moral, choices that you are ready to defend even if there is a risk of "death" if you're alone on that boat.
>>534440110Because i prioritise survival of my children. The only reason to risk blue is to protect them. If I can guarantee their safety by pressing for them, I do that
>>534440092>im a caretaker>so i will choose to sacrifice people who depend on me>so the people who depend on me I didnt sacrifice, I can continue to protect(which I didnt do for anyone who chose wrong)>coincidentally, this allows me the least amount of risk and ensures my safety, I get to pick the evil option without being evil. >If there was a 50/50 chance that halfway through voting, a button would appear to remove anyone from voting who had voted or planned on voting red - would you press it? would you want it to be pressed or would be you be a scaredy baby bitch begging to let evil keep existing as long as you get to 'provide' for others.You are lying to yourself and deep down you know it.Or im wrong and its like damn dude,, you are so smart you outsmarted the moral dilemma and are both a good person who makes 0 sacrifice or effort. wow.
>>534440203A lot for you are picking red for the wrong reasons. You shouldn't wamt everyone to press red. You should want everyone who is stupid enough to press blue to be culled.
>>534440160wow yeah you truly have cracked the code there. 'wanting to live'. What a fuckin unique and rebellious opinion you got there buddy. Sure hope others adopt it.
>>534439575>>534439185>but it is reality*I'm not saying you're a bad person, nigger, nor do I disagree with your concerns. But being real, many of the people saying blue live a life where they press red everyday, and they will not accept the potential inconveniences and even potential death of not (I should never get this comfy job, because someone else might need it and they would be screwed without it. I will not buy this computer part, because my purchase and participation contributes in some small way to the suffering of those exploited to provide the resources for me to use it, etc.). Understand, I have no ill will towards blue pushers per se, but many of you are virtue signalling and you know it.
>>534435783Oh look some midwit jew has invented another trolley problem.sage
>>534440372Also I noticed redfags say it would be wrong to press blue in case your baby pressed red. Which apparently implies that surviving in a world full of redfags is very bad for a baby. Lol. Redfags keep losing.
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>>534440111I'm neither a button pusher nor promoter. The idea of selling my own children for a blue button simply disgusts me. Promoting a blue button, because you know others are stupid and need your protection. How pathetic.
>>534440448so anywayblue button takes 66% nowyou still good? ready to risk it all for that goal?
>>534440286Maybe I'm not reading it correctly. You said you press red if the tested population is your family under your roof. Why not press blue?
>>534440638Im a good person. I rather never eat shit and just keep my mouth clean. I dont need hypotheticals to tell me its ok to be a bad person.Blue all the way. IF others make a mistake, its on them. I wont add it it.>If there was a 50/50 chance that halfway through voting, a button would appear to remove anyone from voting who had voted or planned on voting red - would you press it? would you want it to be pressed or would be you be begging to let evil keep existing as long as you are fine?
>>534440200Adults vastly outnumber kids so logically the safest assumption is red victory even if I write off the vote of everyone under 7 years old as a coin toss.>>534440372Way I see it, blue is doomed no matter what assuming no consultation before the vote. If too many able-bodied people are killed in the blue voting die off, surviving the vote won't matter for the red voters left alive. They're still fucked. So I decide to persist to take care of them. If you could persuade me that blue victory is more likely, I may go with it but simple human nature makes that very unlikely. You have to be realistic to be truly moral.
>>534440920>im scaredlotta words and self-sucking to say it. YOu must feel that this is obviously wrong to speak like that so desperately.
>>534440073What I hate is the same mentality for pressing blue is the same one for totalitarianism.>Someone might do this, so we all need to put our life and liberty at risk to prevent this! And you're a bad person if you don't!Yes, because some kids might see titties on the internet and their parents are too ignorant or lazy to do their job, we all must allow censorship to protect them (because mass censorship is the shared burden of ensuring their protection and survival).
>>534441019I'm realistic. Assuming no pre vote consultation, red is far more likely to win. How do children and the disabled fare in a world where nearly half the people who can think logically are dead?
Blue will win no matter how many times it's done. Red insists on arguing against the parameters of the thought experiment or changing the scenario entirely, usually for far more severe circumstances, ex. >Imagine there are two buttons - no scratch that, red does literally nothing - imagine there is only one blue button and if less than 50% of the population (excluding children too young to think and the gravely ill obviously, I don't care that the experiment says "Everyone in the world", children cannot vote you pedo) presses it, a psychopath is going to come for all blue pressers, drill a hole in their anus and pour acid inside until they die. The end result is that blue pressers die if less than 50% press blue so this example is technically the same as the original!But wording matters and if the experiment played out exactly as described then yes, children and people to ill to think would press blue by the hundreds of millions, their families would rush to press blue and even most hardcore reds give in to blue when they begrudgingly accept to participate under these specific rules.At least some reds are willing to engage with the thought experiment as is and back their reasoning by claiming that even if one of their children presses blue they must press red to live for the sake of their surviving family members. This is where the real moral conundrum begins. The people who tried to outsmart or argue with the rules never even got to the starting line, they're the "but I did have breakfast this morning" crowd.In the end what this experiment really shows is how many people are actually willing to consider any given situation in detail. For example this >>534437256Which was once also very amusing to me and I used to post it too until I read the study, as it turns out the wording was misleading and that famous image was for extent of moral care where each circle includes the previous one. The moral allocation points for what you care most is actually pic related.
>>534440903>IF others make a mistake, its on themc'est la vie fren
>>534440772I press red if that guarantees my family lives too. Bluefags outside of that dont concern me nearly as much.
>>534440920You understand that adults are attached to their own children, right? You may be too autistically psychopathic to grasp that idk
>>534441186You arent. But thats fine. The world is a bad place because you think it is, therefore you get to be bad.Yeah the world would be better for the peo9ple you care about if everyone who thought like you didnt exist. But its not about those people, its about self-preservation and you are reading as a narcissistic personality disorder type to be so delusional to argue its moral.Get help.
>>534435783It is a social experiment to see how much social pressure is required to make rational people make irrational choices. Stop giving the retards clicks. All fields.
>>534441352but when you mistakes you should never ever EVER be punish with death right? and its so sad and tragic if you did?Or is it still C'est la vie? nah, you are fake and literally no one falls for it. Its just red pushers circle jerking each other 'we are so good right, we arent being bad, we are just practical right EUGGGH'its impossible to not be right every time against you types.
>>534441290A good 60% of native english speakers are functionally illiterate, mexibro. They're too embarassed to admit it, too. So they make up entirely different scenarios to argue in.
>>534441290You divided the world into just two groups, even though this gedankenexperiment has 4. .
>>534441290>children and people to ill to think would press blue by the hundreds of millionsProve it
>>534437283>when half the blue pressers disapear, and there's 50 fires in your cityBlue pressers are statistically way more likely to subvert society, push for authoritarian laws, take and forcefully redistribute your money, build corrupt bureaucracies, depend on welfare, censor you, hold you back, take away your rights and fuck you over in every way possible. To make a comparison, if a majority red meant humanity would be destroyed or possibly go extinct, that's what the blue pressers largely are doing in the world world right now.Some of them may be good people and regardless of this i wouldn't want them to disappear, but their voting is fundamentally illogical. They want to pressure and stigmatize you into gambling your own life away. Something they're already used to doing.
>>534441501The funny part is that in a blue victory, reds would no doubt be punished, which is an additional reason to not vote red. Like if me and my baby survived because of a blue victory, id be voting to gas the redfags that pressed 'coinflip every baby'Red is even more of a gamle. You either survive into the appocalypse or get hunted down by angry blues.
>>534440203Someone in the world unethically suffered in the process of extraction, refinement, manufacturing, and supply of the parts to make the parts for the device you made this post on, and you will not forbid yourself from purchasing another component or computing device knowing that. It's easy when this decision is boiled down to a simple game with one button press, but we make a series of real button press decisions everyday and that includes many, many red button pushes. I could also argue blue is the road to totalitarianism itself like here >>534441160>We need to potentially limit or eliminate x right and freedom, because someone may be irresponsible or need protecting. You're a bad person if you don't agree to this collectivist burden for all of us!Look, I just showed how blues are totalitarian commies! In reality, a mix of appropriately applied reds and blues is the best way (no suicidal empathy, but no needless or malicious self-service either).
>>534441391>>534441401Again, you're denying the reality of what you're risking. All the surviving dependents who voted red whose caretakers died voting blue to (maybe) save them will be in for a life of slavery and servitude to the clans that voted red across the board. A red victory with a substantial amount of blue death would totally upend civilization. Law and order would be a distant fairytale. You'd be genetically culling altruism out of the human species.
>>534435783If you are a blue presser you can reduce this problem down to 2 people to prove Blue is a suicidal empathy and in all honestly the lost trust option. There are 2 people, they can not talk to each other they can not stratagize with one another. You need to ask your self this question:Do I trust that the other person trusts me.Because the entire premise of the question hinges upon that, because by pressing the blue button, you have to turst that the other person will also press blue, but that also means that person has to trust YOU. If there is any doubt in your mind that the other person would not trust you, that means they as well would also share that same doubt, meaning only a fool would press blue because there is distrust.If the answer to the question:Do i trust that this other random person would trust me, is anything but an absolute yes, red is the right choice.
>>534441722So red pressers are what, strategically preserving altruism by secretly wanting to vote blue but acting selfishly to save altruism? Bullshit. You're admitting that redworld would be a shitshow for surviving children of blues. Because the redfags proceed to build a mad max dystopia. Meanwhile, children of redfags worked to death in the mines of blueworld for redfaggotry would still be cared for. Red genes would still survive.
>>534441660This in its entirety. I don't even shame people for choosing blue and understand it, but holy shit the mentalities of people that this has shown me.
>>534442012Red world would only be a shitshow if every person tempted to vote blue (myself included) did. As a blue-leaner, it's your duty to survive in red world to preserve the flame of human altruism. Also, I'm assuming nobody knows who you voted for in blue world.
>>534441809>yet another redfag reframe that excludes babiesNow do a three-person problem, but in the booth to your left is your toddler that doesnt know his colors yet. 50% chance he picks wrong and dies. On the right, it's your wife. She'll likely pick blue to give the toddler a better shot at survival. Now you press. Press red, and maybe your kid presses red and your wife dies in vain. Press red and your kid pressed blue, and your wife will know what kind of redfag you are.Or press blue, and then you all live regardless of what your child does.
>>534442196We'd know who pressed red in blue world. The guilt would be impossible to hide.
>>534442267Woah xd, what a dilemmaMe, my wife, and my kid, three people voting, I wonder what the most likely option would be, DUHHHH DERP
>>534442341Ok so if its safe to assume blue majority among your family, it's also safe to assume global blue majority adding up from all the other families.
>>534442267That makes it even worse for blue pushers. Every single person weather the are the age of reason or not is now a presser. Even if you do it with three people its the same situation actually its worse There are three people:Do you trust that 1 person between 2 random people would trust you to press the blue button, and at the same time, do you think they would trust you and or antoher person to press the blue button. The more people you add the worse it gets dude. You are now assuming more people are trust worthy. The larger your size the worse the odds become.
>>534442321Wait, so are red voters sociopaths or not? Sociopaths don't feel guilt, much less express it, much less express it with consequences at that lol
>>534442417no, you are now assuming that every family is living a happy life where everyone loves each other, You are voting in an environment where the majority of people voting have sub 90 IQ, no capacity to think outside of the present moment, and they do not understand the concept of delayed gratification. A big portion of the people are also childless, or with no families.
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>>534441642The thought experiment assumes that some all-powerful entity is going to force every human in the world without exception to press a button. A quick google search says there are 650 million under the age of 5 and 100 million gravely ill people, meaning roughly 375 million would press blue if it was split 50/50. It doesn't matter by which mechanism they are going to or if it would be considered invalid and null under our laws because they cannot make an informed vote, what matters is looking past the technicalities into what the thought experiment is actually asking. If you're going to change the scenario or certain rules then you're answering a different thought experiment. By the way, that number 375 million would be if it was random. Something else to consider and I cannot stress enough is how important wording is. Reds insist so hard in changing the scenario using examples like a giant wood chipper or blender or jumping into an incoming train or drinking a cyanide pill or running into a burning building. People would be explained the rules properly and many would think that they don't want their loved ones to die.Another thing red does a lot is believe that blues are unable to see that red is 100% safe for oneself. As a matter of fact blue does understand this first and foremost but they can also see the experiment being about the inherent risk for a large portion of humanity including loved ones if they press red, they don't see it as le heckin' game theory IQ test.
>>534442417>it's also safe to assume global blue majority adding up from all the other families.You do realize that there are more people who are not in families and would not vote blue, or hell thats assuming you dont have families who would also just all vote red button as well.The entire experiment boils down to a trust experiment. You can even change the paramaters of the expirement but still get across the same idea. Do you think a random stranger would trsut you enough to let you hold their wallet for a day and not take anything out of it? Shit we even have a 4chan joke about this one. Do you trust retards on this site to watch your glass of chocolate milk while you are away? If you have any sliver of doubt that someone would not trust you, then that means they too have that same doubt which means they logically are not going to be picking blue.
Well this had been enlightening. I know what kind of people you are now. The funny thing is you're no different then the dirty thirdworlders, the uptight leftwingers, and the moralfags you despise.The common consensus is the red button, even among lefties. People who choose blue are either more reserved or more than typically optimistic about life. Self preservation trumps all it seems, though. And that's how I know most of you will never change anything in this life. Because you can't fathom the concept of risking it all for a chance of a better outcome.I sincerely hope this stupid dillema dies in a week, but judging by how it's being marketed, it's going tear the rectums out of everyone's assholes for the next few months. "A strange game. The only winning move is not to play."
>>534440920> If too many able-bodied people are killed in the blue votingAnyone pressing blue is completely useless to society and produces no value, so that's a non issue
>>534442539People can be trusted to protect their children.
We already live in a "red button world" and it's a worse hell than anything we've ever imagined.
>>534442687dumbass, self-preservation is what got you here XDMost innovations come from wanting to fuck and to survive
>>534442687>People who choose blue are either more reserved or more than typically optimistic about life.No they are more sheltered from teh reality of life dude.You wanna know the biggest, hardest red pill to swallow? The one that 99% of people can never end up accepting despite all of human history showing this to be the case? The vast majority of humans, and people, are fucking aweful, spiteful, mean, and selfish. Thats the reality of humanity, the blue pressers think otherwise, blue pressers are people who have not seen or even understand how fucked humans are. Welcome to the real world anon, remember you are hear forever.
>>534435783>There is one objective answer here, "if" you care about humanity and it's the blue button.>The reasoning is simple; the people pressing the red button are advocating for the regression of the world.In no world is there a situation where the red button isn't the correct answer. Even the most staunch altruist recognizes the hypocrisy of the Red v. Blue tangent.>Blue is never even considered a bad situation unless some bumblefuck retard presses the blue button>Red is uncompromising and nobody has to die if you just don't press the blue button like an apeAltruists are forced to make a decision for the literal retards who pressed blue in the vain hope that they aren't putting themselves on the chopping block.>"But if red wins, you threaten humanity. What about all the services blue buttoners pressed?">"But what about the children/disabled people/mentally defunct/suicidal people/old people">"But what if your kids/friends/family pressed it?"Natural selection at its finest.Honestly if you have to lump together all of the blue-leaning deathwish types together in one place, it makes for a solid justification for red pushers.
>>534435783If I believed it was only the disabled and retards pressing blue, I'd press red, but I know a lot of perfectly fine people are going blue as well so I have to save them
>>534442773Yes, abandon all hope, for hope is the worst of all plagues.
>>534442587Some are, most are just regular selfish retards voting red to hedge bets but hoping for a blue win. The true sociopaths end up in prison for other reasons anyway. The regular retards go from 'hehe i'll hedge my bets' to 'oh fuck i cant believe i just voted to kill 60-70% of everyone' the second the vote is tallied. The mental hit a normie redfag would take would be insane.
>>534442773I'm a blue-sympathetic red voter. I need to survive to protect the coin tossers who voted red after their blue voting caregivers are killed in the inevitable defeat of blue. Assuming no pre vote consultation, red victory is much more likely given basic human psychology and killing yourself because you wish it was different isn't actually moral, it just FEELS moral.
>>534442873>redfags vote "risk the children, kek those retards should be smarter than that">evolutionary I bet none of the redfags itt has touched a woman ever.
>>534441710>someone in the world unethically suffered in the process of extraction, refinement, manufacturing, and supply of the parts to make the parts for the device you made this post on,What made you think i care? never said saving the world was in my values. And it doesn't have to be all black or white either.The point is: will you always join the winning camp even if it's, something you are fundamentally against? >but we make a series of real button press decisions everyday and that includes many, many red button pushesWhen it's about some random stuff you don't care about, yea we always do. Mostly for free social point. But when it's something you care about you're gonna press blue. You are gonna have the unpoppular opinion. But will you defend it?Like gay marriage, death penalty (in some countries that do not have it) and whatnot. A very easy way to show this is with the BS dilemmas akin to the blue/red button memes or will you press the button. But if you aren't over 50% to not have pressed it you die.> if you are a red button presser it means you are gonna press every time, all the time except when you are ONE HUNDRED PERCENT SURE that >50% of people won't press it...Regardless you aren't actually choosing anything but basing your opinion based on what others would think or the default option given to you.Things like:>"you get cuked daily by your wife and your daughter become a slut.... but you get to have polygamy and have sex with any girl you want" will you press the button?Someone with value won't press it. Regardless of what kind of population is being polled. Even if it could cost him his "life".
>>534442979But you can't feel that guilt because the people reds are "voting to kill" would have to be a minority to die anyway given the parameters of the game.
>>534442672The people that arent in families are majority bleeding heart shitlibs , not psychopaths.v
This entire thing is retarded.Seems clear to me they are making a political claim as though if you voted red, you're ok w\ half the country dying... as though that's happening or going to happen...BUT... BUT.. if you'd voted blue, EVERYONE lives! This is low IQ retard babble.
>>534443173>Losing the logical argument>Jumps directly to some ones sexual historyJFC at least pretend not to be ass made when proven wrong.
>>534442872Nah, i know that pill personally. Of the 500 plus individuals i've engaged with, maybe 20 were good people. Guess that makes me naive. Atleast you are honest.>>534442843Well, can't wait to fuck a android 25 years from now.
>>534442708>every child that dpesnt know colors flips s coin>every woman votes blueEnjoy being gay
Assumption at the root of this discussion:>death is le badWhat if I told you death is le good?
>>534443321That there is the crux of this problem, you are not voting based upon your individual, for a lack of a better word, tribe, you are voting among the entire human collective. The average person would never trust a random person with their life, that itself is an untrust worthy action. If anything it also proves that the red pushers are actually the ones living in a higher trust socity then the blue. No sane or reasonable person would ever put themselves into mortal danger when there is a clearly avalible alternative to live. randomly saying i put my trust in some random person is a highly illogicall, perhpas morally good thing, but unreasonable thing to do, it would be like trusting a crazy person, trusting a crazy person is not trust worthy.
>This fucking thread againAdding Red and Blue buttons to my extensive filter list.
>>534441577Are you talking about the moral circle? IIRC there were 4 groups: Very conservative, moderately conservative/liberal and very liberal. Overall conservatives as a whole were given 20% less points to allocate and they put 80%+ into their immediate family and friends, the rest spread thinly into countrymen, humanity and nature. Liberals had more points and they still put ~80% into immediate friends and family with the extra points going into humanity and nature. I believe that very liberal actually put less into friends and family but it was still the majority.The "you care about rocks more than your own family" crowd are very stubborn and dismissive, they refuse to even look into the text. There were two experiments using the moral circles. The famous one is the moral extent one which simply asks if you care at all about anything outside your circle and every circle includes the last. When explaining this there is almost always invariably someone who says that there is a limit to how much care a person can allocate, but that is what the second test is for.Some retard the other day thought that the heat map represented what a single person cared most about, and not the aggregate of every test taker.It is largely up to interpretation because the test wording is very extreme, it says "every person you have ever met, every person in your country, every person in the world, every single mammal, every single animal, every single microbe, but plants come after microbes. The divide how much benefit of the doubt to give each category. Truth be told, if you interpret it in general terms as "do you care about pets, plants and wildlife (including friends and family)" you pick 14 which is what the famous graph shows.
Red, 100% survival. If the blue pushers make it, no change. If they dont, we won't need warning labels such as "Do not drink" on bleach containers anymore. Can't lose with red.
>>534435783Enough of this bullshit faggot forced meme has been done to death here take your offtopic faggotry to /b/and you newfags need to quit bumping this shit
>>534442879Blue button retards are psychotic
>>534435783blue because I like to gamble
>>534443819Nope. There is no morality, if the right to not knowing is not respected. You are equating morality with coercion and next you know, the size of the circle is just education.
>>534444735>No one dies if 100% press red >No one dies if more than 50% press blueIs more accurate.
>>534439445Unironically, fucking kill yourself.
>>534435783It is a survival.of the fittest situation anand, given that the outcome is questionable, only low IQ or pathological people choose blue. There is nothing morally superior about makeing the retarded choice. If someone dies, they chose poorly and their blood is on them, not me.If everyone voted red we are all fine. People who voted blue chose to add to the death toll. At minimum, they dont know human nature. All of the white men in my crew at work chose red, the non-whites chose blue.
>>534445227Pottery.
>>534443282It's more like>Will you press blue and trust others to make a decision that doesn't fire the gun you allowed against your own head, just because others may have made the same choice and you want to protect them?>Will you press red and make a choice that doesn't put a gun against your own head, and pray others make the same choice?It looks more to me like a personal responsibility vs protect-others-from-their-choices (mostly because it's always presented differently [children and retards allowed/not allowed/guidance allowed/guidance not allowed]).
If it's some stupid version of the problem where babies and people who can't think or make an informed choice, then the moral choice is blue, obviously. I think it's way more likely for blue to win in this scenario anyways. I trust people i don't know to try to protect their families.If it's the version where only people who can understand the choice get to push the button then it's red. The blues act all morally superior but it's reprehensible to put yourself in danger and put the burdon of saving you on somebody else. It's basically putting loaded gun against your own head and then being upset with me when it goes off.
Press red and you live.Press blue and you might die.Press red, obviously. If you press blue, you are gambling with your own life.
>>534445227 Bet the red ones are all singlr and the nons all have 3 kids each at least.Also much redfag cope centers around 'muh niggers will vote red' so much for that
>>534445561The 'stupid' version is the original and the only one with a moral quandry. The other version is usually some version of redcope. You can verify this by posting a 'children at risk' version and watching the thread flood with redfag 'actually pressing blue is what kills you' memes
>>534438032>>534437948>>534435783I would push the red button with no remorse. Even more, when the arbiter isn't looking I would push it a couple of times more. You chimps want to play death games? Good. Let me make the game more exciting. > Pressing the blue button saves livesNo. I wouldn't risk my life to save some idiots.
>>534443125Yeah, why do people always assume children and retards won't also vote red? You're betting on more of them not wanting to make the mean choice that is red, rather than them being scared shitless of death and choosing red. I would like to choose blue, but as I've probably said 100 times through this thread, no one here is going to throw out, nor never purchase again, their electronics and luxuries, despite how many men, women, children, and even retards are exploited and killed in the extraction, refinement, manufacturing, and overall supply chain of the luxuries and even necessities they need and eveb enjoy; that's an everyday red push, putting yourself before others. You do it literally everyday you go to work and someone who may have needed your job more, doesn't have it. I know it sounds shitty, but you're still going to go buy that next computer component or electronic device and never even think about the exploited miners who extracted the materials to make it.
>>534445680Look, how many of the men, women, children, and literal retards do you care about in other countries, and even within our own borders, who are exploited and even killed just to make our lives comfortable and provide us many of our necessities and luxuries? Where did you get the ethically-sourced parts for your computer or phone, or literally all of your other purchases? I don't disagree that blue is the more ethical choice, but I don't see people living it with the consequences even being just an inconvenience to themselves, much less their own death.
>>534435783the whole problem hinges on whether or not everyone participating are adults fully able to understand the choice. If so, red button, no hesitation. But if kids, the mentally ill, the elderly, the infirm, etc are made to choose, then I press blue.
>>534446797my ethical reasoning is>if people are being made to vote who can't be expected to figure out the real consequences of their vote, then voting red is effectively condemning innocent people to death. >if everyone voting is fully able to make their own decision, then anyone voting blue is endangering themselves for no reason, so I am under no obligation to vote blueI think this makes sense
>>534442687See>>534446643Sorry, but people who say they would press blue, while I absolutely agree with their reasoning, we all press red everyday. I'm not even putting myself above that, someone is suffering and dying for the things we enjoy. If we truly give a shit, we will not jerk ourselves off over a button test and actually try to make things better, but I know that none of this will factor into anyone's actions nor their purchases, because it already doesn't for many people; you choose the red guaranteed self-preservation button everyday.
>>534447429I disagree with this reasoning. I think you'll find people actually do press blue every day.
>>534436150Which only means pressing Red is better since if all Whites pressed Blue, the entire world would be left to niggers, kikes, and slant eyes.
>>534447487Somebody else, more in need whether from circumstances or their own choices, would benefit from your job, your money, your home, etc. If you'd give your literal life up for them in this game, would you give them all of that? Or is your guaranteed self-preservation more important?
>>534445085Death is only a possibility once someone presses Blue, an option you don’t have to select.
>>534447487>>534447633Remember, you having the job you currently have means that someone else doesn't or didn't get it instead, someone who actually may need it more, whether from circumstances or their own choices.
>>534447633I think we have a different conception of what pressing blue entails. See >>534446797>>534447077. If it's the former scenario, then pressing blue isn't a choice to me, I am ethically obliged to potentially risk my life in order to hopefully save the lives of millions of innocent people who are being forced to make a choice they cannot understand. If it's the latter, then yeah pressing blue is retarded and I would never do so. Do you understand?
>>534435783you've convinced me, let's hope you've convinced literally 100% of the rest of humanity
>>534447697But then one can say death on blues is only possible if someone selects red.No reds, no deaths. No blues, no deaths.
>>534440203>There is a building on fire>No one is inside the building, everyone evacuated>If you stay outside (Red) you’re a sheep>If you run inside (Blue) you’re an independent thinkerThe only thinking you’re doing is some fucking mental gymnastics to shame people for not being suicidal.
>>534435783Saving yourself in this instance is your responsibility. You can either make the most of it and push red or act like a woman and leave it up to chance and throw that responsibility onto everyone else
>>534447833>But then one can say death on blues is only possible if someone selects red.No? If you have 100 people and 99 vote blue while 1 votes red, everyone still lives.
>>534447750Do any of the children and people with below average IQs who are exploited in third world countries that work the mines or other industries, that are part of our global supply chain, have a choice or understanding of their own choices? You having a job is potentially condemning the person who didn't get it, just as pressing red is potentially condemning a blue. Maybe not your button press alone, but it's in there. Does anyone think of the children exploited and even killed in providing the resources for things they enjoy or need? Or do we purchase and use them anyway, because I need this! What will I do without it?! Both necessities and luxuries.
This entire argument summed up:Reds: "with red, you live"Blues: "with blue, everyone lives"Reds' reply: "if everyone pressed red, everyone lives"Blues' reply: "there's no chance that 100% of people push blue. At best, 80% will push red meaning 20% of people die"Reds' reply: "and I'm ok with that" or "good, fuck em"Basically reds are ok with billions dying if it means they have a 100% chance of living and blues arent aren't ok with that notion.Reds then sperg out and try everything in their power (mental gymnastics, rejecting reality, self-induced psychosis, etc) to deflect from their decision boiling down to nothing more than selfishness, which results in threads hitting bump limit
>>534435783Thank you for your sacrifice, blue buttoners. We are very thankful that you would give your life for a higher purpose, in this case culling your own retarded asses from the population for our societal benefit. Thank you, thank you.
>>534435783>Sure you save your skin, but you doomed humanity by choosing red.No, I just culled stupid people. I did humanity a favor.
>>534435783new slide thread dropped babe
>>534448244If you run into a burning building, I’m ok if you die. Your death is entirely on you for being a moron.
>>534445680>pushes blue to save the kids>kids push red>red wins>kids die anywayfantastic
Just like the false dichotomy of voting, the answer is killing the ones making the buttons.
>>534448068My mistake, that's right. I've been really trying to understand the blue choice, outside of the moral shaming, and it really does create the potential death note from what I can see. It hinges on whether you protect potential others from their own choices or not, at risk to yourself, but I don't see how 'if you don't, that means you're not community minded and high trust!'. Hasids are community minded and high trust within their own, but aren't going to do shit for someone outside of it, so are they high trust and community minded, or not? This is an internationalism test more than anything.
>>534448388>Reds then sperg out and try everything in their power (mental gymnastics, rejecting reality, self-induced psychosis, etc) to deflect from their decision boiling down to nothing more than selfishness
>>534448551I’m not running into a burning building to save your dumbass, especially not when you had the choice to press A, and calling people selfish for valuing their own lives.
>>534448641>didnt work the first time>thinks itll work the second>self-induced psychosis
>>534448444Trips of truth. We don't prosecute someone who took another's life under duress and threat of death from another, nor do we have mandatory duty to aid/rescue when it will likely risk or guarantee the rescuer's life, so people calling reds direct murderers are dumb for that; you're the officers behind the grunts poiting a gun at them and telling them to not retreat, rather than turning your guns on the people putting you both in that situation in the first place.
>>534448785*guarantee the loss of the rescuer's life.
>>534436646Yes, the bandits will be numerous, but it gets rid of the handwringing blank slate retards freeing the intelligent whites the room to fix the world.Depopulate Africa by letting them starve. Bomb the Three Gorges Dam. Finally let the Arabs deal with Jewtown before destroying the Arab power and water infrastructure and letting them depopulate jut like Africa. India will require containment. All of this could be done, but for the Blue Button idiots among us.
>>534448679>PLEASE PLEASE VOTE BLUE! I’LL DIE IF YOU DON’T!Nah I’m good.
>>534438032Everyone lives for themselves, and they evolved to be as cutthroat as possible. We were gaslit into thinking Nice Guys Finish Last when that is absolutely not fucking true. I remember when I used to have faith in humanity.I press Red. Forever.
>>534438409The joke is that the previous owner of the store is called Chuck so if you replace "Sneed" with "Chuck" you get "Chuck's Feed & Seed".
>>534446356I mean, I get that there is some exploitation in the world as is but I think my reasoning is good in a perfect world too
Human population 8 billionAre white people 4+ billion?NoPressing blue is automatic death for all whites thenNiggers wont press blueJeets wont press blue Chinks won't press blue Whites will all press blue and all will die since they are outnumbered Therefore I must press red.I came to this conclusion on the very first thread,weeks ago. the fact this thread continues to exist means the kikes are flabbergasted the whites won't die and suicide for them anymore
The red/blue button dilemma, and by extreme luck, both sides are tied.The cosmic entity that did this whole experiment kept you out of the initial vote so you to be the tie breaker.Now since pressing Blue here would save everyone and Red would kill everyone, the cosmic entity offers you something for pressing Red. If you press Red, you will be given $20.Do you press the Red button or the Blue button here?
>>53444998320 dollars, and retards gone from this World? Count me in nigga
>>534449915I wasn't attacking you, anon, I get where you're coming from. I just have frustration with the people who vote blue and then attack or try to shame others, when they all made a red button push just by being here in a computer to be condescending; they're contributing in some way to the ills of others and they will not change that, but are going to shame others over a little button pushing game that is inconsequential, compared to their real life choices that already feed into their own red button pushes for the exact same reasons they're shaming others for in an inconsequential game.
>>534449355imagine having faith in man and not God.Lol, lmao even.
>>534449983I will draw out my vote time indefinitely, make the blues my slaves, and tell them to sacrifice a child for me each day to please me so that I don't press the red button, and I will make them wear funny little hats.
>>534450353They only shame because they genuinely don't understand what they're proposing. The absolute worst case is a narrow red victory where every blithe coin tosser who goes red is totally alone, abandoned by the quixotic blue voter who used to guard them. Basically Mad Max. They don't even consider that. Gotta vote red to counterbalance the sociopaths. 99% of red voters here are those sociopaths. They're ironically the best argument for moral people voting red.
>>534436049This.I am not responsible for the buck broken mind slaves who would rather die than go against the globohomo consensus.You worthless nigger do not get to call me callous or uncaring when you would demand that people be forced to virtue signal at the barrel of a gun. I care infinitly more about humanity than you could possibly conceive in your ghoulish mind. You hideous unreligion demands that you treat human life, human morality as agame of musical chairs, forsaking, demanding any poor soul unable to keep up with your shifting, mercurial "moral code".
>>534438529>Broad moral question>BUT WHAT ABOUT RAPING BABIES!
>>534450899But then many of them choose blue because 'I wouldn't want to live in that world that chooses red!', so they're also kind of selfish in a way; 'if I'm dead, I don't have to deal with the consequences.' Their blue vote feeds even more into the casualties that can occur, and if anyone knows their votes, the people who may throw themselves into blue to try protecting them. There's something kind of selfish about it in some ways.
>>534451332Exactly. They're acknowledging evil people will vote red (and also shit loads of normal, scared people) and then ducking out of the inevitable post vote world conflict that implies to claim moral high ground.
>>534435783Except you don't know what everyone else is picking, so when the 2 billion jeets in the world say they'll press blue and then actually press red, all the selfless retards in white countries kill over and the jeets celebrate. This is what you get for not prioritizing the survival of your own group - you get taken advantage of. Browns are like wild boars and will take every leg up they can until there is literally nothing left. They will keep coming like an endless tsunami, the whites will be drained more and more aggressively and then it will be too much and they'll die out. Later after the ecosystem perishes from hosting infinite browns, the browns too will die out. Do you understand now? Your liberal derangement threatens everything and everyone, even the brown creatures you would pointlessly lay your neck on the chopping block for!
>>534450468I was having faith that (You) weren't going to kill me, retard. God doesn't give a fuck what happens
>>534451589>(and also shit loads of normal, scared people)Many of them don't. I know someone who said they would vote blue because plenty of children and literal retards would too, not understanding the situation, but never considered the children and literal retards who would vote red because they're just understandably scared of death. So which group of retards and children are more important now? But that's apparently me just trying to muddy the waters.
>>534435783you niggers could just pick red, but no, you have to make things difficult.
>>534446301ow the edge
>>534437283>fires in your cityFunny you should use that as an example. The most individualistic societies in Western civilization are the most rural. The most rural societies run on volunteer firefighters. Being a Good Person starts with making good decisions, joining the next international goofy group of extreme retards isnt one of them.
>>534453452Honestly, this. This is almost like either a suicidal empathy test or an internationalism test.>I voted blue and blue lost, now the vulnerable within blue are dead and the vulnerable within red are left without me in that terrible world.Your suicidal empathy did nothing for anyone. You failed to protect both groups of vulnerable, because you cannot accept that you cannot save everyone, especially save people from themselves, since they pushed blue to be at risk.
