Explain in simple terms what is a European justification for not helping US in the middle east? The catch phrase “defensive alliance” does not exist in any NATO documents, because that is not how military tactics works. We saw it in Syria, Libya, Afghanistan, Serbia, etc. Plus, now US has been literally attacked, soldiers are killed, bases destroyed, ships sank. In fact all the economy of the world is attacked. Why does Europe refuse to step up? It does some oral support saying “freedom of navigation”, but thats pretty useless.
Because the deal was that we protect them from the Soviets in exchange for soft vassalizing them, and joining Israel's war of aggression 25 years after the Soviet Union collapsed doesn't really fall under the auspices of that
>>534458340Why then they joint the rest of the recent wars, there are hardly any difference? I think it is more a personal hate for Trump, they have been consistently putting personal relations over business goals and even legal obligations. Also probably the percentage of muslims got out of hand, so they risk not to be re-elected.
>>534458590What wars has NATO formally joined besides the Balkans like 25 years ago? (And sorry the Soviet Union fell *35* years ago). The coalitions in the Iraq Wars, Afghanistan, and our other escapades in the Middle East were never joined by NATO as such
>>534458340> doesn't really fall under the auspices of thatso why didn’t they leave? If you are in alliance and shit happens you need to help, that is the whole point. If you think it it might be too risky and shit goes crazy you leave the alliance before. But how can you decide what fights you join what not based on your own interests, what kind of an alliance is that?
>>534458741But they all used nato bases, weapons, there were nato soldiers and generals, you can name as you want it doesn’t matter.
>>534458042Because Iran is no pushover and Europe will only join in if they're guaranteed an easy supportive role. They were hedging their bets.
>>534458914and what is the point of such allies that leave at the sight of a smallest risk? Isn’t it exactly the time when you actually need allies?
>>534459091They are not allies they are vassals
>>534458042I would put 7 babies in her
>>534458042only way ANYONE can "help" is require The Jews to behave better.best way any Euros could help Israel is put all European Jews back in The Kamps and keep them there, and start starving them to death.if that happened, you see "peace break out" between Israel and its neighbors and Jews wouldn't even abuse Christian or run sex slave operations.
>>534458042> The catch phrase “defensive alliance” does not exist in any NATO documentsLet’s see what the actual treaty says, shall we?>The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognized by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.>Any such armed attack and all measures taken as a result thereof shall immediately be reported to the Security Council. Such measures shall be terminated when the Security Council has taken the measures necessary to restore and maintain international peace and security.”Let’s read that little part snuggled away in the text again, shall we? >and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognized by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary,>AS IT DEEMS NECESSARYYou know what that legalese means? It’s a loophole to allow all NATO members to weasel their way out of any pledge to actually fight.And who wrote that? Who insisted to have that included in the NATO charter as a means to avoid any call to war, that saying "wow! Good luck!" Would be sufficient? The United States of America.
>>534462504So here we are, some 80 years after the founding of the Alliance, and the Americans, who always sought a way to slither away into the night and avoid honouring their commitments to help, screech and howl for others to join them in a war that has nothing to do with Europe and North America, nothing to do with the North Atlantic (as the Americans were quick to remind the British when they asked for help in the Falklands), and nothing to do with their national interests (as the Americans bellowed about helping Ukraine).Was America attacked or threatened? No.Did they invoke article 5? No.Was Europe attacked or threatened? No. Is there fighting in the North Atlantic? No.Therefore this war has nothing to do with NATO. And if the jews controlling the USA screech and try to invoke Article 5? Well, we can simply tell them "we are monitoring the situation" and we would have fulfilled our responsibilities and obligations under the treaty as the Americans would have done, and have done, to their so-called allies.Is NATO a useless alliance? Yes.Who made it useless? The USA.
>>534462504Devastating Trvth Nvke.It's also hilarious that Trump wants to name the Euros cowards, as he's only American because his grandfather fled Germany to avoid conscription in WW1, (and got banished for it), and Trump himself is a well-known dodger.I'd be surprised if a single Trump in the last 5 generations served their nation.
>>534458845NATO is a defensive alliance. Members are not obliged to join offensive wars.I don't know if any documents say it, but de facto, that's the way it is. There has never been consequencies for members not joining wars.
The US doesn’t even have a reason lmao
>>534462504burgers got absolutely raked
>>534458042Are you too stupid to actually read Washington Treaty?>Explain in simple terms what is a European justification for not helping US in the middle east?It is not defensive war in Europe, North America or North Atlantic.>The catch phrase “defensive alliance” does not exist in any NATO documents, because that is not how military tactics works.Article 5.
>>534462737The Iranians having a counter-balance to the Samson Option was just too much for AIPAC to bear.
I support Trump in his quest to shatter American global superpower status. Good news for the world, change in geopolitical dynamics is long overdue.
>>534462660America helped French in Africa always when they had problems with ISIS. So far only europeans weaselled away saying they completely misunderstood the agreement, even though everyone knows their military participation was deemed nessesary and even vcalled upon publicly.
>>534462809The PRESIDENT is too stupid to read the Treaty, and you expect his fanbase to grasp it?
>>534458042Show flag kike
>>534458042Nobody trusts trump, that's allIn theory Iran is ally of Russia so Europeans should support this war, but Trump is the problem
>>534462809you are just right away breaking the agreement, why to come up with some made up loopholes like a child? They don’t even exist. Every war is defensive, depends on the point of view and a tv channel. This is not a military or a legal term.
No country except Israel has any interest in creating a failed muslim state that will create more refugees into Europe
>>534462903Oh, no, no, no! France never invoked article 5 over Algeria and the United had pressured France to abandon Algeria from the start, and acted as a hub for fundraising and organizing the jihadists. Doubly rich of you to invoke Algeria since the United States stabbed France in the back during the Suez crisis, without even discussing the American plans to break France apart into smaller countries during WW2. All the more reason for France to say "thoughts and prayers! You got this!", really.
>>534458042>Explain in simple terms what is a European justification for not helping US in the middle east?THey want you to STOP WARMONGERING YOU FUCKING KIKES
>>534458042>Explain in simple termsLike in Simple English? You're quite obviously a colossal waste of time, you fucking moron.
US seems to have no plan. Trump doesn't seem to be even asking for anything specific when asking for assistance beyond just seething. The war is hugely unpopular across the world.Hard sell to public of any NATO country to just come join in. Doesn't even make sense when, with few exceptions, NATO countries can't even contribute meaningfully and their militaries are massively underfunded. The ones that can contribute meaningfully, what could they do US can't? Maybe US is asking for more specific things behind closed doors but I fucking doubt it. And Trump is such a piece of shit, if your country was to join or contribute, he'd probably make 5 tweets a day about them not sending enough, not joining earlier, not doing more while you are there. It's hard to believe that attitude wouldn't filter down into what anyone joining in is asked to do.
>>534458042>young Ursula Von Der Leyen
>>534463862Or may be he would have praised the joining country 4 times a day in his tweets, we don’t know. How does it actually matter, this is not what goes in history of NATO. Nobody cares what people say after some time, this is just a melodrama, the history is about real things. You usually read who did what, not who said what.
>>534463390he's talking about mali stuff
>>534458042>shit on your allies calling them useless>slaps tarrifs on your allies and threaten them with anexation for lulz>start some 70IQ woman-moment-tier shit without consulting your allies because you're strong empowered US who needs no EU>expect your allies after all this to clean up your shit after you fucked upYou want allies? Start behaving like an ally, not like a bully, world doesn't owe you shit you dumb kikeflag.
