People who think the Bible stories are history are both dumb as fuck and don't actually believe in Jesus or God or the Bible.Jesus carrying the cross for example. Only a complete retard thinks this is history. There's a message in that story, which goes over the heads of the retarded literalists. Basically people treat you like shit, and as long as you view it through the lens of the flesh you'll view it as pointless suffering, but salvation comes from seeing it through another lens, where that suffering is a blessing in disguise.
Revelation 2:9Revelation 3:9Romans 2:28-29Philippians 3:31 John 2:22-232 John 1:9-11You don't even need to engage with pilpul. Just post these Bible verses in their entirety or in part. You don't even need to elaborate.
>>534471645Idgi
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>>534471645XNITY PRIMERhttp://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1a-9eWjZWH-6uUOcRFJ4hFsgB2vOhdZZfgoogle drive easy to use interface....read moar discern moar
https://archive.org/details/TheSecretTeachingsOfAllAgesManlyHall/page/n42
>>534471760https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Litany_of_humility#Contemporary_Versionhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLVA07_ISUk&t=36s
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>>534471645What I think is absurd is that no Christian believes in the old testament especially Genesis and that those are all just fairytales but Jesus & friends doing all kinds of magic tricks is absolutely believable and literally happened.
The crucifixion, resurrection, and Revelations can’t be a metaphor or just an inspirational story. Christ’s message was that the Rapture was IMMINENT. If the Rapture is not ~*~L I T E R A L L Y~*~ imminent, then it makes Jesus look like a liar. You also need the Trinity to be true in reality, since God is Love, and love typically exists as a family relation. God couldn’t be love unless he had an eternal family member to share his love with.
>>534473647Yeah it's retarded. There is a belief that events, persons or statements in the Old Testament are seen as "types" prefiguring or superseded by "antitypes"; events or aspects of Christ or his revelation described in the New Testament. But they misunderstand what that means. It doesn't mean that the New Testament stories are history.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typology_(theology)
>>534471704>uhh google AI pls give me bibble verses that prove the bibble is history and not fiction
>>534471704You're not even a real christcuck, you have never set foot in a church, incel LARPer.
>>534471704The swastika is a pagan symbol, memeflaggot
>>534473647And Jesus' sacrifice is predicated on original sin and the magic apple.
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slave morality slop
>>534474044Original sin must be the single most retarded concept in all of theology across all religions.
>>534471645Even if it was true and a kike named jesus was tortured nobody should care about it.
>>534474044Wasn't the sin gone with Noah? God wanted to remove all humans with the flood but Noah was such a good boy that God allowed him and his family to survive and that not all humans are bad creating new good humans from his bloodline.
>>534471645Go look up the meaning of AD you raging retard
>ngmi>Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.>Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven>For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.
>>534474338Probably. Jews don't believe in original sin. Christians made it along with Jesus being God so they would have an excuse for worshiping Jesus instead of God directly. The synoptic gospels and the original epistles don't even mention Jesus being God, so it's obvious Christians made that up later.
>>534474360Cultists took over Rome. What's your point?
>>534471772Yahweh is not the father of Jesus.
>>534471645>Jesus carrying the cross for example. Only a complete retard thinks this is history. There's a message in that story,just because there is a message in it doesn't mean it wasn't a real event. you see that right?yet more illogical 'thinking' from the swedish logic pseud.
>>534474281Original sin is the greatest psyop for mass kontrol.You tell a group of intellectually fearful children that they are under a terrible and invisible danger, and that to fix this horrific situation, they are incredibly lucky that God himself illuminated this group of philanthropists to mediate and save the situation—them and their religious discourse...and of course, this protection doesn't come for free..., the philanthropy isn't edible, i appeal to your understanding...
>posting directly is the only way anyone here will ever read it, if then>35Jesus heard that they had cast him out, and having found him he said, "Do you believe in the Son of Man?" 36He answered, "And who is he, sir, that I may believe in him?" 37Jesus said to him, "You have seen him, and it is he who is speaking to you." 38He said, "Lord, I believe," and he worshiped him.And the angel said to me, "Write this: Blessed are those who are invited to the marriage supper of the Lamb." And he said to me, "These are the true words of God." 10Then I fell down at his feet to worship him, but he said to me, "You must not do that! I am a fellow servant with you and your brothers who hold to the testimony of Jesus. Worship God." For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy. >Long ago, at many times and in many ways, God spoke to our fathers by the prophets, 2but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed the heir of all things, through whom also he created the world. 3He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power. After making purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, 4having become as much superior to angels as the name he has inherited is more excellent than theirs.>5For to which of the angels did God ever say, "You are my Son, today I have begotten you"? Or again, "I will be to him a father, and he shall be to me a son"? 6And again, when he brings the firstborn into the world, he says, "Let all God 's angels worship him." 7Of the angels he says, "He makes his angels winds, and his ministers a flame of fire." 8But of the Son he says, "Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom.
>>534474318Yeah, that's another thing, there may or may not be parts of the story of Jesus that is history, but that history has zero bearing on your life today, it's only a story that's told to convey a deeper much more important message, which does have bearing on your life today. An actual human being on a cross 2k years ago is as irrelevant to anyone's life today as a beetle being crushed under someone's foot 2k years ago.
>>534475006>it's only a story that's told to convey a deeper much more important messagenice opinion you've got there.
>>534471645Why is a nutjob Christian on 4chan of all places?
>>534472017https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7THG28GprSM
>>534471645No proof he existed no proof that he is white. Not even Roman records of his supposed arrest for doing gay stuff with a kid in a park. Neither Christians or Luciferians can prove he existed and by extension cannot prove his race. If either of them keep harping on about it for political control I'm at the point where I just want to slap them in the teeth or slam their head into the wall. Religious people, gay people, whatever just shut the fuck up
>>534474533Yahweh is a gay donkey with a tranny wife that tortures living things. It is not a god. It is just another faggot that hasn't been beaten enough
>>534475262and now this nigger is posting islamic garbage. confirmed anglo hating retarded brown living in sweden. no wonder he always refers to children language books.
As a proud tradcath christbro i affirm my true feminine soul every single day by keeping my worthless little clitty locked tight in that cold steel cage while Tyrone wrecks my boypussy with his massive veiny black cock first then switches to brutal double fisting me so deep his forearms disappear up my ruined shithole and my prolapsed rosebud hangs out like a pink sock covered in thick lube and ass mucus. My prostate gets battered raw until endless sticky ropes of sissy precum pour out non-stop gluing the sensitive top of my penis head completely to the inside of the metal cage bars so the skin stretches and tears every time it tries to twitch. The dried precum and skin fuse together into one painful mess making the cage bite deeper into my shriveled balls and the raw head of my clitty until any movement feels like someone is slicing the frenulum with a razor. I cannot pull the cage free without ripping chunks of my own penis skin off in bloody strips so instead i swallow fistfuls of estrogen pills to soften everything up make my tits swell bigger and my balls shrink even tinier while i beg tyrone to ram both fists in harder twisting them around inside my guts until my belly bulges outward and my gaping asshole farts out wet sloppy bubbles of cum lube and prostate milk that splatter across the bed. The burning agony from the glued skin on the top of my penis mixed with the mind melting pleasure of getting my insides rearranged turns me into a drooling brainrotted mess moaning Bible verses about submission because this is the real tradcath christpilled way. True tradition means weak christbros like me fully surrender our male bodies to csuperior alpha bulls and let them remake us into leaking cumdump holes for God's natural order. Every extra dose of estrogen makes the glue between my clitty head and the cage tighter and more painful so the metal grinds against the raw exposed skin while Tyrone laughs and stretches my hole wider than ever.
>>534471645Where does literalism and allegory begin and end with this retarded kike book?killed a man named Onan for pulling out of his brothers widow, killed all the first born of Egypt because pharaoh wouldn’t let his people gokilled annanias and sapphira for lying to Peter about money they got by selling their housekilled all of job’s children because of a betkilled 42 boys by sending she bears to rip them apart for calling a prophet baldflooded the entire world for his own mistakes (god's don't make mistakes)demand genocide and rape against people who were mean to his "god's chosen"rose every single fucking person from the dead (nobody saw it besides 1 kike peasant)Are those all allegories?
>>534476221This disgusting cycle of cage torture prostate milking endless hormones and total cuck surrender is how a real tradcath proves his devotion by becoming a broken sissy fucktoy that drips and gapes for real men who enforce the hierarchy with pure violence. Pure freedom through complete emasculation and brainrotted devotion to the bvll.TFW you're doing another based and tradpilled groyper CRVSADE for the Nigerian based black man CHRISTBROS in Africa so you can kiss their feet and YHWH's miraculous and infallible brown foreskin appears to you in a burning bush and before you even know it Mother SLVT Mary appears with her glowing holy gyatt and she lowkey takes dat bibisi but you're a trad christbro so YHWH's transdaughter Yeshua Bar Yosef lowkey BUILDS THE WEST and squirts his miraculous AB type neovagina axewound transperiodblood all over you in a trad Eucharistic miraculous shitskin miracle so you give up all your possessions and lowkey turn the other cheek to the based black CHRISTBROS and when you arrive back home you just kill evil whitey pagans who are no civilization savages for 8000 years and rejoice when your newborn is diagnosed with nager-miller syndrome because you know YHWH's plan is so fucking trad and mysterious holy yeschad!
>>534471645Anon Romans used to let the body rot to the cross and not let remove it after half day, who wrote this shit was not even known the Romans Modus operandi
>>534477433Correct, they were left for vultures and other wildlife to feast on, not given a burial and therefore served as a deterrent message.
>>534471645https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4rlGog0XRc
>>534477433>>534477845exceptions could and were made. in this case you have a seemingly sympathetic governor in Pilate and the intervention of a wealthy man in Joseph of Aramethea. There is also in the story evidence that there was a desire to show mercy to the other criminals crucified along with Christ in the breaking of their legs to hasten death, which is also not usual.
>>534471645your norse edda repulsive filth get out you parasite
>>534478430>Let me just make shit upNo. Crucifixion was reserved for the lowest of the low in society, bandits, rebels, slaves, and for non-citizens who committed crimes against the state. Going against protocol would completely defeat the purpose of this punishment: deterrence.
jesus christ was cool i respect him as a korean mahayana buddhist but in fact, he was brown not white
>>534478816there are examples of exceptions being made under some circumstances and so exceptions could be made. you just haven't done the slightest looking into it.
>>534479119There is actually more evidence He was White than Brown. The White position has eyewitness accounts and DNA. But I'm not dogmatic about it.
>>534479138You do not have the slightest idea what you are talking about. Judea obviously was a territory where chimp-outs happened on a regular, a politically unstable region. Pilatus was not in the position to grant your fantasies of mercy or exceptions, in the event of yet another uprising, he personally and his entire gens would be held accountable. It would have been absolutely catastrophic for him and his family.Roman political thinking revolved heavily on what we today call FAFO. Exceptions under this view would have encouraged even more turmoil in this already unstable shithole.
>>534479246>The White position has eyewitness accounts and DNANope
>>534479509>It would have been absolutely catastrophic for him and his family.you're just making that up though. this wasn't a crucifixion during war or of a political dissident or any kind of crime that threatened Roman rule. According to Pilate, Jesus was innocent but to appease the jews he did allow him to be crucified......according to the jewish purity laws that meant no dead bodies around the next day.hence the breaking of the other 2 criminals legs and the granting to Joseph of Arimethea to take a bury Christs body.Pilate did have trouble with the Emperor later on but not over this case specifically. apparently he had been condemning too many people in the region without proper trial. for some reason you are not aware of exceptions made where the condemned were allowed to be taken down and buried by their family, nor are you willing to see that this case was not about punishing a criminal or rebel against roman law or rule.
>>534479738Stay mad, kike
>>534479246>But I'm not dogmatic about it.>>534479894Seems you are
Jihad anon has really rattled the midwits on this board.
>>534480200Everyone hates you, and when your life is over you'll burn in hell forever.
>>534479768>you're just making that up though.Tiresome. Look up what happened to Varus' son after the Clades Variana, anyone accused of poisoning Germanicus, the families of participants in the Psionian conspiracy. At best, their sons political careers were ruined forever, at worst they were exiled or even executed. Again you show historical illiteracy that makes me question why I even bother to answer. I do not take your book of jewish fairytales as a serious historical source since it is riddled with fantasies, blatant historical inaccuracies and straight up lies. Just like your posts.
>>534479119>>534479246>>534479738kill yourselves retards
>>534480371so romans never broke the legs of the crucified? there were never any exceptions made allowing the crucified bodies to be taken and buried? if you answer no to both of those you simply prove yourself an unreasonable and ignorant poster on the subject
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>>534480399you should do that, brown 'swedish' logic pseud.
>>534471645Surprisingly not everyone is Christian.
>>534480897But what about the price of tea in China?
>>534471645Biblical literalism is idolatryit is making an idol of the Biblemost fundies cant see thatSt Francis knew itHe would not allow his followers to own a Bible
>>534480399Make me
>>534481012>Biblical literalism is idolatry>it is making an idol of the Biblelol no. it's regarding the Bible as Jesus and the Apostles did.
>>534480808Crurifragium was practiced to hasten their deaths, but here you are projecting your "christian values" onto a pre-christian society where those had absolutely no place. It was not out of mercy, but pragmatism. If crucified on roads near towns, inhabitants would be bothered by screams of agony and pain. Not a single Roman source mentions it as merciful practice, only judeo-christian fantasy books.
>>534481274they died quicker either way.
>>534481545Yet you claim Pilatus was being merciful on jesus, but then somehow forgot to hasten his death via crurifragium. Stop hallucinating, making stuff up or retroactively projecting shit onto pre-christian societies. It's embarrassing to witness.
>>534481719>but then somehow forgot to hasten his death via crurifragiumhave you read the Bible before? if so, how are you forgetting that Christ was already dead?>exceptions could be made to take the body down and bury it, particularly when wealthy people were wanting to do so>legs were sometimes broken to hasten deathnone of this is fantasy. you just seem irrational.
>>534471772goy cattle kindgarten, christianity is a tool to mock europeans after forcing it upon us.
>>534471645If it says it like it then it says it like it but you want to make shit up like a boomer and that's just totally disgusting. Moses parted the Red Sea to get Israel out of Egypt and everyone else acted accordingly. There is no le prank symbolism verse but you're here saying it definitely. Disgusting, simple as.
The bible plagiarized the Qur'an, Enuma Elish, Atrahasis, Mahabharata, Bhagavad Gita, Nag Hammadi, Compendium of the Emerald Tablets, Epic of Adapa, The Egyptian Book of the Dead, and more, to suit the narrative of the early christian writers. The bible has been edited and changed over millennia. The Enuma Elish and The Epic of Atrahasis, scribed on clay tablets 4000 years before the bible, has had 0 edits or changes. The Epic of Adapa, older than all of them, has had 0 edits or changes.
>>534478430The same sympathetic Pilate that stole the money from the temple for build an aqueduct, and beat the shit out every jew against him?From what we know from historical sources Pilate was a huge piece of shit with the Jews, not a wash hand and sympathetic
>>534482246do you see how his judgement that Christ was innocent and that he was willing to set Him free isn't the same thing as stealing stuff from the jewish temple?
>>534481843What the actual fuck are you even talking about? Are you trolling or pretending to be retarded? Even according to your jewish fairytales, he was alive on the cross long enough for Pilatus to act his "mercy" upon him, but he didn't, further highlighting the inconsistencies of your historical fanfic. Also, the corpses of those who died on the cross were state property, no one was allowed to take them unless given the explicit permission by the Roman state. There is not a single Roman source mentioning this ever happened in Judea or the surrounding provinces, not a single one.
>>534471645Cross represents Saturn. Jesus carries the cross because Saturn tries to weigh him down but can't as Jesus ultimately conquers death.
>>534482680What about all the other people who were crucified in Rome
>>534482169>The bible plagiarized the Qur'an
>>534482499>Even according to your jewish fairytales, he was alive on the cross long enough for Pilatus to act his "mercy" upon him, but he didn't, further highlighting the inconsistencies of your historical fanfic.what? i guess you didn't read it then, and yet you're here saying its all fake anyway, interesting. >no one was allowed to take them unless given the explicit permission by the Roman state.right, and a wealthy member of the jewish ruling class could clearly swing the deal, especially since, this being a jewish crucifixtion by Pilates own words, they would want the bodies taking down quickly anyway. That Joseph is shown asking the romans for permission to take the body is entirely consistent with what you said.> There is not a single Roman source mentioning this ever happened in Judea or the surrounding provinces, not a single one.there are no roman sources for lots of things outside the writings of a jew named Josephus (large scale crucifixions included) but that doesn't mean those things never happened. fact is that the NT doesn't contradict the historical record in this matter. its consistent with what we know and sheds light on what, in context, would have been a matter of little importance to anyone.
I'm probably the only person in this entire thread who has been born again through a supernatural encounter with Jesus Christ, and I have also had God speak to me in words several times. Most of the times its a leading of the Holy Spirit telling me to stop jerking off and not to smoke weed.
>>534482680> Cross represents Saturn.no, it doesnt.> Jesusnever existed.> Jesus carries the cross because Saturn tries to weigh him downno, we already had sun worship and gods of death and war before christianity.the cross is a life symbol of odin and a symbol of the unconquered sun.the only thin the jews ever conquered is your mind through cognitive dissonance.
>>534473835The New Testament makes no actual reference to an event called the "rapture", and there's no discussion of any equivalent to a "pre-tribulation rapture".
>>534483049there is but it really doesn't sound like the whole 'pre trib' thing thats popular in some circles. theres the bit about those who are alive at Christs coming being caught up to meet Him in the clouds, and theres the bit about there being a 'taking away' of people like in teh day of noahs flood.
>>534482909>what? i guess you didn't read it then, and yet you're here saying its all fake anyway, interesting.>>534480371>I do not take your book of jewish fairytales as a serious historical source>right, and a wealthy member of the jewish ruling class could clearly swing the deal, especially since, this being a jewish crucifixtion by Pilates own words, they would want the bodies taking down quickly anyway.Provide an authentic source for this. >there are no roman sources for lots of things outside the writings of a jew named Josephus (large scale crucifixions included) but that doesn't mean those things never happened.So we're dealing with unverified historical fantasy, as I mentioned before.>fact is that the NT doesn't contradict the historical record in this matter>alleged repeated attempts to release jesusProcurators were expected to act firmly and decisively, leaving not a single one to question Roman authority, this goes especially for unstable provinces. Any public wavering would make the state look weak and as I mentioned before be politically dangerous.>release of BarabbasThere is absolutely no historical evidence or Roman source that such a custom of releasing a prisoner at passover existed.>Pilatus washing his handsThis is a jewish ritual which would have been insanely beneath a Roman, especially one of equestrian rank. Marcus Antonius was widely ridiculed for performing Egyptian rituals.>having guards stationed at the alleged tombRoman troops, or even auxiliaries in this case, couldn't just be loaned for religious purposes, much less guard tombs of convicted criminals. This notion is so absurd I cannot wrap my around it.Just to name a few examples. But now I'm getting quite bored by this shameless display of historical illiteracy.
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>>534471645Shut up, jew! If i were a roman soldier I'd make you carry that cross and more.
Why would a god desire worship?Does nobody ever think of this? Like why would an all powerful being have a desire and need to be worshipped by beings of insignificant power by comparison?What is with this>You better fucking appease me or elsestuff? Like really think about it.
>>534484108god isn't even all powerful and therefore shouldn't be worshiped or followed anyway.
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>>534483712>Provide an authentic source for this.we have examples of the wealthy being allowed to take down their slaves or condemned family members and bury them once dead. this is evidence that it was possible for this to happen. the NT account is not inconsistent with this evidence.you want exact examples described in other contexts but thats not how historical evidence often works because the record is far from complete. But, in the NT, we have a record written close (in historical terms) to the events that was accepted by people living in times when crucifixion was still practiced. rejecting this part of the account simply because its the NT, a source you irrationally reject on all counts, jst shows your bias.>So we're dealing with unverified historical fantasy, as I mentioned before.no, because his writings are major source for that period.> leaving not a single one to question Roman authority,this was never about roman authority because Jesus was found innocent of what the jews were trying to frame Him for (rebellion etc).>Any public wavering would make the state look weak and as I mentioned before be politically dangerous.yes, which i why Pilate didn't oppose the jewish rulers in their desire to have Christ killed. Standing in their way was clearly the more politically dangerous action in this situation.
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>>534484759never existed
>>534484793"be a good goy for my jewish rabbi"stfu retard
>>534483712>There is absolutely no historical evidence or Roman source that such a custom of releasing a prisoner at passover existed.but temporary prisoner releases at important local festivals do have an historical precedent>Roman historian Titus Livy (59 BCE – 17 CE) reports that when the eight-day celebration of the Lectisternium or Draping of Couches, a propitiatory ceremony at which a sacrificial meal was offered to gods and goddesses, was held for the first time in Rome in 399 BCE, prisoners were released on condition that they return to prison at the end of the festival. Prisoners were released at the Athenian festival of Dionysus, as well as at Greek festivals and rites primarily concerned with phenomena of nature and the renewal of vegetation, such as at the Thesmophoria.>This is a jewish ritual and one which they would understand>which would have been insanely beneath a Roman,romans apparently washed their hands before certain temple rituals of their own, so its hardly unknown to them.>couldn't just be loaned for religious purposes, much less guard tombs of convicted criminals.but being posted to maintain order and prevent things from becoming elevated was certainly part of their function.
>>534471645>I am MAD at Jesus Christ thread #1282593Your madness confirms that Jesus Christ is the only true living God. The devils of this world only attack the true living God, you don't give a damn about any other gods (because they are false gods anyway).
>>534471645>People who think the Bible stories are history are both dumb as fuck and don't actually believe in Jesus or God or the Bible.>Jesus carrying the cross for example. Only a complete retard thinks this is history. There's a message in that story, which goes over the heads of the retarded literalists. Basically people treat you like shit, and as long as you view it through the lens of the flesh you'll view it as pointless suffering, but salvation comes from seeing it through another lens, where that suffering is a blessing in disguise.
>>534483049>>534483158Revelation talks about the martyrs killed >>>during<<< the tribulation being raised to life at the end of it. To me that doesn’t track with any idea of a rapture taking believers away before shit hits the fan>>534484741>>534485091I appreciate the effort, anon, but you’re dealing with someone skeptical enough that the standards they apply to Jesus would lead to them denying the existence of Alexander the Great and about half of the Roman emperors, so you might not get very far. Probably still good for the lurkers if anything
>>534471645The Romans definitely crucified people, including Jesus. If the goal was to torture them why wouldn’t they make them carry the cross? Yes there is a deeper message in the story but that doesn’t mean its not historically accurate, and you look like a retard for claiming it does
>>534471645If you pretend nothing matters then you can cuckmaxx and turn the other cheek even better? So just stoicism?
>>534485349>the standards they apply to Jesus would lead to them denying the existence of Alexander the Great and about half of the Roman emperorsNot really no
>>534482404The same Pilate that put the emperor effigies in the temple?And that Tiberius called back to Rome because he was create to many troubles to the Jews population?
>>534484741>we have examples of the wealthy being allowed to take down their slaves or condemned family members and bury them once dead. this is evidence that it was possible for this to happen.Stop yapping, provide sources on this being the case in Judea or even surrounding provinces.>no, because his writings are major source for that period.And yet christians tampered with it adding their own forgeries. But why I am surprised? Lying, distorting and deceiving is just the way brown people operate.>this was never about roman authorityHe was charged and convicted of Maiestas and Seditio which clearly and most obviously affected the Roman state and their rule over Judea. If you'd known anything about Roman law is that you do not self-appoint as king. How he publicly declared himself as king of the jews and thinking he'd just get away with it is beyond me.>yes, which i why Pilate didn't oppose the jewish rulers in their desire to have Christ killed.Yet again, a claim lacking of any sources. If I had to make an educated guess, I'd say since jews showed up claiming to be the next messiah every Tuesday, an annoyed procurator told them to kindly fuck off and do whatever. No mercy or attempts as releasing him involved, just general annoyance and irritation with pesky low IQ browns and their retarded practices. It's far more likely he was just there to fill his own coffers and rule with an iron fist to keep the chimp-outs from happening in order to not appear incompetent.
>>534485349>To me that doesn’t track with any idea of a rapture taking believers away before shit hits the fanyeah i dont see that in there either.>Probably still good for the lurkers if anythingat least yeah. i see the unreasonable level of skepticism being applied to the NT as a historical document. because he doesn't like the supernatural bits, what are interesting little bits of insight into local roman practices and interactions with a subjected populatiion are also rejected out of hand, despite them not being inconsistent with what we know from other sources.The guy was even wrong about Pilate being an entirely unmerciful character as can be seen in this quote from Josephus (who will no doubt be rejected for reasons)>(2.172) On the ensuing day Pilate took his seat on his tribunal in the great stadium and summoning the multitude, with the apparent intention of answering them, gave the arranged signal to his armed soldiers to surround the Jews. (173) Finding themselves in a ring of troops, three deep, the Jews were struck dumb at this unexpected sight. Pilate, after threatening to cut them down, if they refused to admit Caesar’s images, signalled to the soldiers to draw their swords. (174) Thereupon the Jews, as by concerted action, flung themselves in a body on the ground, extended their necks, and exclaimed that they were ready rather to die than to transgress the Law. Overcome with astonishment at such intense religious zeal, Pilate gave orders for the immediate removal of the standards from Jerusalem (emphasis added) (2).
>>534485561>, provide sources on this being the case in Judea or even surrounding provinces.irrelevant entirely. its known to Roman history and could therefore happen under Roman rule.>And yet christians tampered with it adding their own forgeries. there are some conjectured passages i know, but to be reasonable you'd have to show that this is the case for the sections under discussion here instead of making yet another crass generalization.>He was charged and convicted of Maiestas and Seditioby who? not by Pilate.> How he publicly declared himself as king of the jewswhere?>Yet again, a claim lacking of any sources. the NT. i know thats meaningless to you but thats what we have. >rule with an iron fist to keep the chimp-outs from happening right, and letting some little messiah character be crucified would help a lot in that situation.
>>534471645>soulless nord>lecturing us on matters of the spirityour lot in life is to produce cheap DIY furniture. This right here is above your intellectual pay grade.
>>534485091>Roman historian Titus Livy (59 BCE – 17 CE) reports that when the eight-day celebration of the Lectisternium or Draping of Couches, a propitiatory ceremony at which a sacrificial meal was offered to gods and goddesses, was held for the first time in Rome in 399 BCE, prisoners were released on condition that they return to prison at the end of the festival. Prisoners were released at the Athenian festival of Dionysus, as well as at Greek festivals and rites primarily concerned with phenomena of nature and the renewal of vegetation, such as at the Thesmophoria.Now cite the source which claims it happened to jews as well.>and one which they would understand>romans apparently washed their hands before certain temple rituals of their own, so its hardly unknown to them.Why am I even putting up with this shit? You are conflating to completely separate practices, ablutio is performed during religious practices to purify yourself before interacting with the gods, not as public display of innocence. This is jewish and a Roman wouldn't stoop so low as to publicly humiliate himself, the state and his family just to please the unwashed brown masses and kill his political career. Absolutely insane claim.>but being posted to maintain order and prevent things from becoming elevated was certainly part of their function.How many examples of corpses of non-Roman citizens who died at the cross that were guarded by the Roman state can you name? None. It didn't happen. It is fiction, and bad fiction at that. Just like the entirety of your posts.
>>534471645kruzt iz kang zaar trvzt me zaar cuz it zaiz zo in muh bible fairi tale n shiiiii he laik died 4 ur sins o algo
>>534471645Suffering isn't a blessing. You should always overthrow and kill those who make you suffer. Drive an axe into their skull and split them in half and fuck their corpse. Nobody gets to make me suffer and live.
>>534486323>Now cite the source which claims it happened to jews as well.how do you know that 'prisoners' didn't include jews? why do you assume its completely different. im glad that you're showing just how unreasonable and biased you are though.>Absolutely insane claim.to you perhaps, but if you weren't so bizarrely biased when talking about the NT, you'd be able to see that in the jewish context it would be well understood while not being offensive to Pilate since in both cases its a sign of being clean.> None. It didn't happen. It is fiction, how many corpses do you know of that were the subject of such attention from a local messianic group claiming it would come back to life? of course its a very unusual situation but that doesn't mean its fake.
>>534486713i raped ur mom xd
